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[novaroma] Re: Statement of the Amici Dignitatis |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:47:14 -0800 |
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Salve amice Vado
Your statement has fully clarified the meaning of the statement of the Amici
Dignitatis.
Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] First Things First (was Back to Basics) |
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"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:41:45 +0100 |
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Salvete omnes et salve Lutecio,
You are right with the problems that would arise when taxes would be
provincial; however, I think that there may be a solution. In Europe, we
could make this tax a continental affair, with a "central deposit"
somewhere. Thusly, we'd only need to do these formalities once for all of
Europe. How about it?
Valete,
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] First Things First (was Back to Basics) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:15:49 -0800 |
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Salve S Apolloni Draco
>You are right with the problems that would arise when taxes would be
>provincial; however, I think that there may be a solution. In Europe, we
>could make this tax a continental affair, with a "central deposit"
>somewhere. Thusly, we'd only need to do these formalities once for all of
>Europe. How about it?
I wholeheartedly agree with this approach. This will reduce extra payments
to the bank. As Provincia Britannia is the most organised (I would say that
Provincia Britannia is now the European capital Provincia), maybe it should
concentrate the taxes of all (at least western) Europe.
Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Propraetor Lusitaniae
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] First Things First (was Back to Basics) |
| From: |
Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Nov 2000 05:39:03 -0800 (PST) |
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--- Nick Ford
<gens_moravia@--------> wrote:
> 8. (March): at the end of the financial year, the
> old and new Quaestors shall submit a full statement
> of account to a certified accountant, who is NOT a
> citizen of NR, for independent audit. The completed
> audit report shall be submitted directly to the
> Senate for ratification, and afterwards placed in
> the Aerarium Saturnii for public inspection.
Salve:
March may be a bad time of year for this. Since we
are registered in the US, it is safe to assume that
most, if not all, CPAs we use will be in the US.
March is in the US's "income tax season" (which starts
for most CPAs I know around 1 March and ends just
after 15 April). During that time, CPAs will be hard
to find. Is it is possible to do this in February?
Lucius Aetius Dalmaticus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 1088 |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:51:58 -0500 (EST) |
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Friends, Romans, and Countrymen;
I enter into this discussion somewhat late perhaps, but I have some
informaton that should be shared. First of all Graecus;
Livia is one of the newer members of my Consular Staff. She has a very
heavy and responsible task in that venue as well as being in charge of
the Web-site creation for the Sodalitas Militarium and the Sodalitas
Egressus and establishing a web-site for the Regio of Connecticut for
which I am honored to hold the position of Legatus. In addition, she
serves Nova Roma as Rogator, and recently was elected by the Senate as
Propraetor. She has recruited several personages within NR to work with
her on the above projects and positions, and she holds a position in the
Sodalitas Militarium as the Legatus of Roman Engineering and
Cartography. In my humble opinion, the above is sufficient involvement
in any organization to be considered "interested" in a working
relationship in that organization. I understand that you probably did
not know all that, so I offer it in the kindest possible way, for your
information. Further Livia has proven to me without fail her support
and her willingness to work for NR and has my complete confidence.
Perhaps, should you refer to your planned Mithratic Group as a "Proposed
Sodalitas" it would be clearer to all, just exactly what you mean. A
Sodalitas must be approved by the Senate as you well know, and at the
moment there is one such "Proposed Sodalitas" waiting for the next
Senate Call for approval.
Livia; Graecus does very well in his English communication , but I ask
that you give him just a smidgeon of lee-way in the finer points of the
word meanngs that he uses. He is using English as a second language and
while he does an excellent job (far, far better than I do in
Portuguese--Grin!!!!!), sometimes his wording does not reflect his
precise meaning.
In regard to an "open door policy" toward Citizens let me say that very
seldom does a day go by that myself or my Consular Colleague do not
answer a question, explain a situatiion , or respond to a request from
an NR citizen. Most of these responses are privately sent because
unless the person indicates that he / she wishes the world to know, it
is no one else's business, in my view. I know too, for a fact that both
Censors, spend a good portion of their efforts in responding to the
needs, questions and desires of NR Citizens, and I would suppose so do
the Senators and other Magistrates as thier responsibilties dictate and
thier time allows. Those citizens who do not call upon thier
Magistrates, or those citizens who do not make use of the range of
Magistrates to answer thier questions or gain information, can hardly
blame these same people for not responding. I have asked many questions
of my fellow Magistrates, and have not recieved a reply immediately or
ever in some cases, so I have repeated the reply, and contacted others,
and eventually I will get my answer. This medium of communication is
not perfect by any means, and messages get lost, they arrive at
inoppprotune times. and are later forgotten, or they do not apply to the
recipient, etc.
In regard to the age limitation, such was put in place for a very good
reason. While it is not the most effective barrier to gross mistake and
lack of experiene it is one which we have the best hande on at the
moment. In any event it is a Lex voted into place by the Senate
Fathers. If you believe that to be a mistake there are ways to go about
reversing such. Complainng about the unfairness of such a Lex on the
Main List does not do anyone any good, and is counterproductive to the
work that needs to be done. To take on a position in NR is to take on
responsibilities, and to care in various ways for the citizens of Nova
Roma, and the oath that Magistrates take certainly reflects that. It
was never meant to be, and is not now a path to self-angrandizement. If
you are under-age there is nothing to stop you from "jumping-in" to a
position in a Sodalitas, Scriba, Staff-member to a Magistrate in any one
of many many opportunities and work for NR, until your age is such that
you may stand for office. In my staff alone at the beginning of the
year, two are now Senators, one is Censor Suffex, one is Legatus, and
one is Sodalitas Legatus, and for the four that joined later, two are
Senators, one is Propraetor, one is Cornicularius (Adjutant) and one is
Adiutores Cornicularium (Asst. Adjutant). These positions were all
gained by dint of hard work, interest in NR and the ability and
willingness to take up a job and do it right and well. Those above
features require no age-attainment, but rather the willingness to work,
and follow directions. Further, they reflect an interest in thier
fellow citizens, rather than the desire for title.
I too, would wish that the A-Group would see fit to amend their
statement, in regard to "all members of NR" since there is an
application requirement in at least one existing Sodaitas, and it
appears that there will be a "Proposed Sodalitas" that will have one
also, in the fullness of time.
I have made the following offer, while holding each office in the Cursus
Honorium, and it is as valid now as it was when I had the honor to be
elected Quaestor. If you have a problem getting a response from any
Magistrate, if you will tell me, I will contact the individual in
question, and will get back to you with a response. It may not be the
response that you want, but it will be a response.
In regard to those who do not know who I am, and who think of the Junior
Consul as a "shadowy figure" here is a very brief overview. I am Marcus
Minucius Audens. I hold the following Offices:
--Junior Consul;
--Senator;
--Legatus, Regio Connecticut, Provincia Nova Britannia;
--Commander of the Sodalitas Militarium;
--Praefectus Fabrum of the Sodalitas Egressus.
My honors are:
--Tribunus Militarium Laticlavius
In regard to my political activities , I have voted in every election
since my joining Nova Roma. I enter regularly into debates with fellow
Senators and Magistrtaes regarding the needs of NR. You may ask any of
the Senators or Magistrates whether or not, I have my own views and
opinions and will debate them at length. I particularly direct you to
Senators Sulla, Cincinnatus, Germanicus, and Julianus, who have dealt
with me the longest. I am in virtual constant contact with my Consular
Colleague in trying to arrange Senate Calls at frequent intervals to
handle business before the Senate. I also am working with a Staff to
further the aims of two Sodalitas, which I have founded. I am not of
the Religio Romano, but I hold such in great respect, and for that
confirmation, I direct you to the Pontifex Maximus. I have held all
offices in the Cursus Honorium.
My E-Mail, is open to all who wish to contact me, and I am willing to
answer any questions put to me in a polite fashion, that does not deal
with the action on the Senate Floor during Senate Call, which at this
time is not open for discussion. It has been said that Magistrates in
NR are shadowy figures, I cannot credit such in my regard, for I have
never been called a "shadowy figure" in any venue in my life. I am at
once opinionated, militaristic, outspoken, stubborn, and determined. I
do not believe in giving advice, because it often backfires, and prefer
to listen to the views of others, before making decisons. A
time-consuming part of being a Consul is the time spent reading,
researching, wieghing and ferreting out data to make decisions, often
unpopular ones, which in my view are left to both myself and my Consular
Colleague by circumstance, and by office.
I thank you for your kind indulgence in reading this post through, and I
hope that as a result the newer citizens in Nova Roma will have a better
idea who thier Junior Consul is, and how he operates.
In closing my friends, I wish you all the best of the coming Holiday
Period, and all the happiness and joy that may be obtained from your
celebrations in this season.
Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] a question about the Comitia |
| From: |
Fortunatus <labienus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:13:27 -0600 |
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T Labienus Fortunatus L Pompeio Octaviano Omnibusque S P D
> After reading some messages, I realized that I do not know anything
> about the Comitia. Could anyone explain me about it and how it works?.
Nova Roma has four comitia; the Comitia Centuriata, Comitia Populi
Tributa, Comitia Plebis Tributa, and Comitia Curiata. The first two are
composed of all Nova Roman citizens. The Comitia Plebis Tributa is
restricted to plebeians. The Comitia Curiata, composed of the 30
lictores curiatae, serves various ceremonial functions--investing
incoming magistrates with imperium, witnessing the appointment of new
priests and priestesses, and witnessing the recording of wills.
Each of the three major comitia divides the citizens that comprise it
into smaller groups; 193 centuries for the Comitia Centuriata and 35
tribes for the two tribal comitia. The plurality of votes cast in each
subdivision decides how that subdivision votes. The aggregate vote of
the subdivisions decides how the comitia vote.
For example, let's say that the Comitia Centuriata is voting on some new
lex. Century XXIII has, say, 5 citizens assigned to it. Two of them
vote for the lex, one votes against, and two don't vote. Century XXIII
therefore votes for the lex. If more centuries vote for the lex than
vote against it (abstentions and tied centuries don't count), the lex
will pass.
The three comitia are called to order by various magistrates in order to
vote on various issues. To date, they have only been used to elect
magistrates and to vote on leges and plebiscites. However, the
constitution and appropriate leges state that they can also be called in
order to hear legal cases and (by implication) impose punishments upon
citizens. There are also some restrictions as to what kinds of things
can be voted upon in a given comitia. For example, plebeian magistrates
are elected by the Comitia Plebis Tributa.
The Comitia Centuriata and Comitia Populi Tirbuta may be assembled by a
consul or praetor, and the Comitia Plebis Tributa may be assembled by a
tribunus plebis. Once the announcement that calls the comitia together
is made, two market days (three in the case of the Comitia Centuriata: a
market day occurs once every nine days) must pass for debate and
campaigning. Voting begins the day following the announcement, and
continues throughout the debate period.
Voting occurs through an online form called the cista. Each eligible
citizen receives a voter code, which is only known to that citizen and
the censores. The rogatores receive a list of valid codes from the
censores, and the various votes cast from the curator aranaea. In this
way, the rogatores may be certain that a given vote is valid without
knowing who cast that vote. Once voting ends, the rogatores have 48
hours in which to tally the vote and report to the magistrate who called
the comitia together. The magistrate then has 24 hours in which to
report the results to the people.
Anyone wishing to research the comitia is referred to:
(watch for wrap on the URL's)
I. the constitution (
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution_new2.html )
II. Lex Vedia de Ratione Comitiorum Populi Tributorum (
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99073004.html )
III. Lex Vedia de Ratione Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum (
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99073005.html )
IV. Lex Vedia de Ratione Centuriatorum Comitiorum (
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99073006.html )
V. Lex Vedia de Ratione Eligium (
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99073009.html )
VI. Lex Vedia Vigintisexviri (
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99073001.html )
VII. Lex Vedia Tributorum (
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99073002.html )
VIII. Lex Vedia Centuriata (
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99073007.html )
IX. Lex Iunia Centuriata (
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99191003.html )
X. Lex Cornelia de Ratione Eligium (
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99151202.html )
XI. Lex Iunia Centuriata (
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99211202.html ) Despite the
similar name, this is not the same Lex Iunia Centuriata as that above.
Valete
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Dignitas |
| From: |
Gian G Reali <piscinus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:53:12 -0800 |
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Moravius Piscinus clarissimibus viris et Quiritibusque:
A few months back there was some concern over the volume of e-mail on
the Nova Roma main list. Much of the added volume resulted from debates
on political issues. This is a very healthy form of communication in any
organization, a matter of public dialogue between all concerned. One
suggestion that was made at the time was that such debates over
organizational matters be redirected to a separate list devoted entirely
to such discussions, and thus free up our main list for the use of
exchanging information on more historical topics. The sponsors of the
Dignitas List discussed forming just such a list, available for all
citizens, and even for noncitizen who would have an interest in
discussing Nova Roma's organizational needs.
The sponsors of Dignitas did not wish to rush in lightly, however, by
simply offering yet another list. We also considered going a step
further in promoting communication within Nova Roma. As a group of
friends, we hope to help organize various chats, forums, assist in
translations of e-mail lists, and simply promote communication in varied
ways. Individually we have already been performing such tasks on a
personal level. Together we thought we might be able to do more. And
further, we believe there are many others in Nova Roma who will be
interested in further advancing communication in and among our ever
growing community in Nova Roma.
The sponsors of Dignitas do not compose any formal group. We do not
seek to become another sodalitas. We are an informal group of friends
who on occasion like to meet to discuss things. We believe it would aid
Nova Roma as a whole if we promote similar discussions and discussion
groups among all cives. We therefor have made an open invitation for
all subscribers to the main list, first to subscribe to the Dignitas
list. Second, we welcome everyone to contact us, either through the
Dignitas list or directly, to join with us is trying to arrange more
on-line events for everyone to share and enjoy.
One of the most difficult tasks we have set for ourselves initially is
to arrange a world wide chat. I hope we can make arrangements for our
first such meeting in the coming week. The time, place, and topic is
still open if anyone would like to make a suggestion.
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