| Subject: |
[novaroma] Comitia votes |
| From: |
Gian G Reali <piscinus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:01:56 -0800 |
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Moravius Piscinus Tito Labieno et Quiritibus SPD:
I thank the Senator for trying to explain further what the letter of the
law conveys. However, the best laid plans... Whatever the intent of the
leges may have been, in practise the results can be self defeating.
Labienus spripsit:
"Once the announcement that calls the comitia together
is made, two market days (three in the case of the Comitia Centuriata: a
market day occurs once every nine days) must pass for debate and
campaigning. Voting begins the day following the announcement, and
continues throughout the debate period."
Odd how voting begins before the debate is over, and yet no one may
change their vote once it has been cast. But the real problem comes not
from the voting schedule you address here, but rather from how the
centuries and tribes are composed. The Senator, having been a rogator
last year, is well aware how the system combines to produce more draw
votes in the centuries and tribes than anything else. I shall cite as an
example from last year's election of our praetors.
The only contested races in last year's election was for the two praetor
positions. There were four candidates, receiving low numbers in the
century counts:
L. Anneus Laurentius (2), A.C.L. Nigellus (2), M. Iunius Iulianus (4),
and M. Gryllus Graecus (6). Iunius and Gryllus were declared the
winners. Out of 193 centuries, only 14 centuries' votes counted, or only
7% of all possible century votes. So Gryllus, by far the most popular
candidate, won with 3% of the possible vote, while he received 33% of the
popular vote (43/130). Nigellus received 33 of the 130 (25.3%) votes
cast in that election, Iunius only 32 (24.6%). Yet Nigellus lost. The
reason being that only those centuries where one candidate got a clear
majority over the other three candidates were counted.
In century 188 there were four votes cast. Two for Nigellus and two for
Gryllus. Yet neither received a single vote in the tally for that
century. The vote in Century 188 was regarded a draw. Even though there
were two positions to be filled, and only two candidates received votes,
that century's vote was not counted. Those who were in Century 188 at
the time were effectively disenfranchised. So were those in 48 other
centuries. Many of last year's centuries had only two votes cast, for
two different candidates, for two praetor positions, yet none of those
centuries were counted. Had the count been made to include all the
centuries where two candidates had been clearly chosen, instead of only
one, then Nigellus would have not only won the second position by popular
vote, but also the century vote over Iunius 26 to 25.
Do I need to remind anyone that the American electoral college is based
on the Roman Comitia Centuriata example?
I suggest that this is a topic that needs considerable attention. As
for the matter of apportionment of the Tribes, that is a whole other, yet
related problem that needs to be discussed. As these are organizational
matters, I further suggest we move what I hope will be an educational
string on our electoral system to the list at NR_DignitasForum@
egroups.com/
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] November Senate session & agenda announced |
| From: |
LSergAust@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:02:09 EST |
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Salvete quirites!
The Consules have called the Senate into session to consider the
following matters:
(I quote)
>Item the First.
>Reimbursement procedure for Magistrates of Nova Roma
>
>Item the Second
>It is proposed that Nova Roma enact the following policy on financial
>controls
>
> Item the Third
>Legio V Alaudae (The Larks) request Nova Roma Sponsorship
>
>Item the Fourth.
>Incorporation of Switzerland into Province Germania.
>
>Item the Fifth,
>Certification of the Sodalitus Musarum as a Nova Roman Sodalitus.
>
>Item the Sixth
>Quintus Sertorius has asked to be considered for appointment as
>Propraetor of Canada Occidentalis.
>
>Item the Seventh
>The Praetor of Germania has requested that Senate might approve the opening
>of the Limes Cooperation between the Provinces.
>
>Item the Eighth.
>Additional Internal Senate Procedures.
>
>Item the Ninth.
>Change to the Electorial Procedure Re: Voting for Multiple Candidates
>
>Item the Tenth. A backup system for the regator is needed.
>
The session begins at 12:00 PST, presumeably tomorrow (Tuesday).
I wll try to relay the sense of the discussions as things develop.
Calete,
Lucius Sergius Australicus Obstinatus
Tribunus Plebis
certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Flags? |
| From: |
"Caius Fabius" <SPQR_HQ@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Nov 2000 02:49:12 -0000 |
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I might buy one or two, tell me more? Are they silk screened, embroidered,
using gilt thread, do they have different logos, and what size are they?
Are they on "shudder" rayon or "synthetic material" or on wool, linen or
cotton?
Where can I see these "flags"? and the prices?
We made a good deal of Money for the Romanis Romanorvm re-enactment
organization back in the 1980's by selling "Pax Roamnis" T-shirts. They
used copies of actual Roman art, from the public domain. They were great
for wearing before and after events, when you didn't wear your uniform and
armor on long journeys or at revels, and non-"dress up" interactions.
C. Fabius
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] New Priests of Nova Roma! :) |
| From: |
cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:01:13 EST |
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Salvete,
The Collegium Pontificum has concluded it's latest round of evaluating
applications for Priesthood in Nova Roma. It is my great pleasure to announce
the following new members of the Priesthood:
FLAMEN CEREALIS - Gn. Moravius Piscinus
Gn. Moravius Piscinus has proven himself to have a vast knowledge of the
Religio Romana. He would have been suited for almost any position within the
Religio, I am sure that he will do great credit to the position of Flamen
Cerealis. I hope that the Citizens of Nova Roma will join me in welcoming
Piscinus to his new religious office!
FLAMEN QUIRINALIS - Marcus Cornelius Scriptor
Marcus Cornelius Scriptor has also proven excellent knowledge of the Religio
Romana, and his application for Flamen Quirinalis was approved by the
Collegium with great pleasure. Again, I hope that all will join in providing
Scriptor with a warm welcome to this religious office!
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus
(On behalf of the Collegium Pontificum)
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] New Priests of Nova Roma! :) |
| From: |
<gmvick32@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:20:53 -0700 |
|
Salvete!
This is a good day indeed. Let me be the first to
congratulate our new Flamen Cerealis, Gn. Moravius Piscinus,
who has worked very hard to be able to serve the goddess
Ceres which we both hold so close. May Ceres look upon you
with favor.
Let me also be the first to congratulate my frater, M.
Cornelius Scriptor, as our new Flamen Quirinalis. I am sure
that he will be able to meet the demands of his office with
as much wisdom and devotion as he does to all matters he
undertakes. May Quirinalis be pleased with your
appointment.
Vale,
Livia Cornelia Aurelia
cassius622@-------- wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> The Collegium Pontificum has concluded it's latest round
> of evaluating
> applications for Priesthood in Nova Roma. It is my great
> pleasure to announce
> the following new members of the Priesthood:
>
> FLAMEN CEREALIS - Gn. Moravius Piscinus
>
> Gn. Moravius Piscinus has proven himself to have a vast
> knowledge of the
> Religio Romana. He would have been suited for almost any
> position within the
> Religio, I am sure that he will do great credit to the
> position of Flamen
> Cerealis. I hope that the Citizens of Nova Roma will join
> me in welcoming
> Piscinus to his new religious office!
>
>
> FLAMEN QUIRINALIS - Marcus Cornelius Scriptor
>
> Marcus Cornelius Scriptor has also proven excellent
> knowledge of the Religio
> Romana, and his application for Flamen Quirinalis was
> approved by the
> Collegium with great pleasure. Again, I hope that all will
> join in providing
> Scriptor with a warm welcome to this religious office!
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
> Pontifex Maximus
> (On behalf of the Collegium Pontificum)
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re:Re: Most notable Roman woman! |
| From: |
"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:06:14 -0500 |
|
I admire Livia, Cleopatra, Zenobia of Palmyra, & Boadic, but all share the
problems that the Emperors had - basic motivations tended to be power.
The Roman woman I most admire is Hypatia of Alexandria, who was mutilated
and killed at the same time as the great Library was burned, for the same
reasons. She was a member of the Museum, a Neoplatanist philosopher and
scientist, and therefore a threat to the Patriarch Cyril on several
grounds - a non-Christian, an independent woman and an intellectual. She
died in 416.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Question... |
| From: |
"alejandro marín" <spartacvs@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Nov 2000 04:41:26 -1300 |
|
Salve!
Can somebody tell me something about "The Eagle"?
I sent my suscription three months ago, check included
to the direction on the website. I dont´n know
anything about the magazine nor the editor.
What happened?
A. Flavius Germanicus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] New Priests of Nova Roma! :) |
| From: |
"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:07:14 -0000 |
|
(snip)
Salvete Omnii:
>
>The Collegium Pontificum has concluded it's latest round of evaluating
>applications for Priesthood in Nova Roma. It is my great pleasure to
>announce
>the following new members of the Priesthood:
>
>FLAMEN CEREALIS - Gn. Moravius Piscinus
>
>Gn. Moravius Piscinus has proven himself to have a vast knowledge of the
>Religio Romana. He would have been suited for almost any position within
>the
>Religio, I am sure that he will do great credit to the position of Flamen
>Cerealis. I hope that the Citizens of Nova Roma will join me in welcoming
>Piscinus to his new religious office!
***Pompeia: Piscine, I am so proud of you, and I am very, very pleased with
this appointment, for which you are so naturally suited.
********>
>
>FLAMEN QUIRINALIS - Marcus Cornelius Scriptor
>
>Marcus Cornelius Scriptor has also proven excellent knowledge of the
>Religio
>Romana, and his application for Flamen Quirinalis was approved by the
>Collegium with great pleasure. Again, I hope that all will join in
>providing
>Scriptor with a warm welcome to this religious office!
******Pompeia: My warmest congratulations to you also, Frater et Amicus
Marce Corneli Scripte. You have shown a great commitment and a great
knowledge of matters pertaining to the Religio.*****
******I wish you both well in these new endeavors :)*********
>Valete!
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
>Valete,
>
>Marcus Cassius Julianus
>Pontifex Maximus
>(On behalf of the Collegium Pontificum)
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Organizational Suggestion |
| From: |
"Veronica Moeller" <VMoeller@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:44:18 -0000 |
|
Salvete:
I am Secunda Cornelia Valeria and I wish to address the
citizens and Senate of Nova Roma regarding the issue of taxation and
accountability of all funds. I speak with the experience of over 12
years as the chief executive officer of two non-profit corporations
in the U.S. and in my current position as the Director of Development
for an Indian Nation in North America.
I am in favor of taxes for Nova Roma. In order to grow there
must be resources. And, I also believe that full accountability must
be built into any system that we elect to adopt. My organizational
suggestion is that an office of account custodian be developed. This
position would be filled by appointing a citizen to be the custodian
of the bank account. Similiar in function to a Secretary of the
Treasury, or Chancellor of the Exchequer the custodian would basicly
serve as the day to day business contact person for Nova Roma (L.
Cornelius Sulla calls this person a Tribune Aerii)(also note that
this person would not be elected but should be appointed by the
senate each year). I agree with N. Moravius Vado in that a committee
of three senators should have oversight of the financial records. I
would suggest that the committee should also have oversight of the
Tribune Aerii. One of them - or a Consul - should be designated as a
co-signer of any check authorized. This, to me, appears that we can
establish the continuity needed for the Treasury. Continuity will
allow for quicker responses to senatorial and citizen queries about
financing contemplated projects. The preferred delegation of
accountability will work as follows and flow downward: Citizens to
Senate to Consul to Tribune Aerii.
Lucius Aetius Dalmaticus advises us regarding the issues of
CPAs and audits. His is very sound advice. My experience has been
that any non-profit should have a yearly audit. This proves to
prospective donors that the non-profit is well managed. Also, most
donors will require an examination of the audit when considering
making a contribution. [And, make no mistake about it: Nova Roma
should be able to qualify to accept grants and gifts from
philanthrophy's and individuals if the IRS approves our application
for non-profit status.] Nova Roma should retain a Certified Public
Accounting Firm in order to perform a yearly audit. I also suggest
that the CPA firm include completion of the IRS form 990 (Return of
Organization Exempt from Income Tax)in their bid to perform the
audit. The same firm should conduct the audit from year to year. Can
we trust the CPA firm? Yes. In the U.S. CPA firms face considerable
punitive measures if they obfuscate or beguile in any manner.
So how do we conduct banking affairs? I suggest that we open a
Business account with a major national bank such as Wachovia or Bank
of America (Bank of America calls their service "Business Connect").
The major banks have services whereby they will pay all the bills we
authorize them to pay. The Tribune Aerii would submit a bill for
payment and provide an authorization number while the co-signing
Consul would approve the transaction. The example I use to illustrate
this is: the Tribune Aerii (who may be located in Baltimore) will
request that the Senate approve the payment of a bill incurred by a
Senator in New Hamphshire; The Senate would either approve or deny
the expense. If approved the Tribune will ask that the bank
automatically deposit the approved amount of money into the account
of the person incurring the expense, or the business to whom the
money is owed, signing with their PIN, the transaction would need to
be co-signed by the Consul through the use of another PIN.
Senator N. Moravius Vado in his address of 23 November offers
excellent organizational solutions. I agree with his points about the
budget (talking point one); Establishment of a central Bank account
(Talking point four); Designating a Quaestor (talking point five);
the Senate Committee (talking point six); and the idea of a yearly
audit (talking point eight). I believe that collection of taxes
should be centralized. I believe that we can establish an electronic
manner of payment through account debiting, or credit card
transactions. For those who cannot pay by electronic means we can
still accept the snail mail method.
Complications arise in how we handle the operations of the
provinces. I suggest that provincial budgets be prepared by the
Propraetors and approved by the Senate on a yearly basis. They (the
Propraetor) and the Tribune Aerii would work together to pay all the
expenses approved by the senate for the province.
The last suggestion I would offer is that a Committee of three
or four be commissioned by the Senate to research, and offer a model
for taxation and financial operations from all the models, ideas, and
suggestions offered by everyone to date.
I hope that I have offered only a valid commentary to you the
Senate and my fellow citizens. If I have bored you that is my fault
for not being articulate enough. I seek only to serve Nova Roma. In
her service I am,
---Secunda Cornelia Valeria
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Question... |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:56:46 -0800 |
|
Ave,
The Eagle is a publication currently headed by Decius Iunius Palladius
Invictus. I will CC: him this email, since I do not know if he is on this
list. We will get this issue resolved for you ASAP. :)
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
"alejandro marín" wrote:
> Salve!
>
> Can somebody tell me something about "The Eagle"?
> I sent my suscription three months ago, check included
> to the direction on the website. I dont´n know
> anything about the magazine nor the editor.
>
> What happened?
>
> A. Flavius Germanicus
>
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