Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Proconsular Edictum
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:09:40 -0500

Salvete;

As an addendum, I am informed by our prolific and infinitely talented
Curator Araneae that he has arranged that the much easier-to-remember URL
http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org will now point to the official Provincial
website. Many thanks, Marcus Octavius Germanicus.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Proconsul, Mediatlantica Provincia

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Flavius Vedius Germanicus [mailto:germanicus@--------]
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 9:02 AM
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] Proconsular Edictum
>
>
> Salvete Omnes;
>
> As Proconsul of the Mediatlantica Provincia of Nova Roma, I am pleased to
> issue the following edictum this XI Kal Ian MMDCCLIII AUC (22nd
> of December,
> 2000 CE):
>
> Edictum regarding an official website for the Mediatlantica Provincia
>
> I. The Mediatlantica Provincia shall support an official web site for the
> benefit of the Citizens of Nova Roma who reside or travel within the
> Provincia, in order to facilitate the dissemination of pertinent news and
> information to those Citizens (especially regarding meetings and other
> events), aid Citizens in contacting Provincial administrators,
> and fostering
> a more closely-knit community within the Provincia.
>
> II. The web site shall be located at the URL
> http://www.goldenfuture.net/mediatlantica, but this URL may be changed at
> the discretion of either the Provincial Governor or his legally-appointed
> subordinate.
>
> The Curator Araneae is requested to add this Edictum to the appropriate
> section of the Tabularium.
>
> Valete,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Proconsul, Mediatlantica Provincia


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Announcement: The Tribes are to Assemble-curator differium
From:	sfp55@--------
Date:	Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:15:35 EST

Salve Caius Aelius
The leges are:
Lex Minucia de rogatorium (on Rogators)
Lex Cornelia centuriatum (On century points revision)

Lex Cornelia et Maria ? ( On the censors' name change edict)

Lex Cornelia et Maria abdicatum ( the censors' resignation edict)

The Curator Differium Election
>> Salve,

Sorry to do this, but a 'me too' on this posting. Like many cives,
I too will be away on 12/24 and 12/25; possibly 12/26 as well.
Can we do this after the holidays? Later the following week
perhaps?<<

We realize it was a holiday, but technically our holiday is over on the 23rd.
People who are celebrating Christmas can vote when they return the 27th or
28th
The cista remains open until the 30th.
The Consules

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Announcement: The Tribes are to Assemble-curator differium
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:18:04 -0500

Salvete;

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Razenna [mailto:razenna@--------]
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 4:03 PM
>
> This might do wonders for the ranks of the urban tribes. LOL.

In all fairness, I should point out that only a failure to vote in our
recently-concluded annual magisterial elections will result in relegation to
the Urban tribes. For those ordinarily-contientious voters who might miss
the upcoming vote in the Comitia Tributa Populi due to the imminent
holidays, don't worry; your position within your current tribe is secure.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Announcement: The Tribes are to Assemble-curator differium
From:	sfp55@--------
Date:	Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:19:09 EST

Salve Caius Aelius
The leges are:
Lex Minucia de rogatorium (on Rogators)
Lex Cornelia centuriatum (On century points revision)

Lex Cornelia et Maria ? ( On the censors' name change edict)

Lex Cornelia et Maria abdicatum ( the censors' resignation edict)

The Curator Differium Election
>> Salve,

Sorry to do this, but a 'me too' on this posting. Like many cives,
I too will be away on 12/24 and 12/25; possibly 12/26 as well.
Can we do this after the holidays? Later the following week
perhaps?<<

We realize it was a holiday, but technically our holiday is over on the 23rd.
People who are celebrating Christmas can vote when they return the 27th or
28th
The cista remains open until the 30th.
The Consules

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Announcement: The Tribes are to Assemble-curator differium
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Fri, 22 Dec 2000 21:36:06 -0600

21 Dec 2000

Salve

I have a question concerning two things. One, will my voter codes work from
the last election. If so I guess all I need to do is get on the website from
anywhere and vote! Two, if I miss voting due to my inability in get to a web
connection will I be penalized century points? Got to stay out of those
urban tribes you know!

Vale

Quintus Sertorius
Praetor
Canada Occidentalis


> We realize it was a holiday, but technically our holiday is over on the
23rd.
> People who are celebrating Christmas can vote when they return the 27th or
> 28th
> The cista remains open until the 30th.
> The Consules
>



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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Announcement: The Tribes are to Assemble-curator differium
From:	sfp55@--------
Date:	Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:06:04 EST

In a message dated 12/22/2000 7:15:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, SFP55 writes:

<< Salve Caius Aelius
The leges are:
Lex Minucia de Rogatorium (on Rogators)
Lex Cornelia Centuriata (On century points revision)

Lex Cornelia et Maria. Edictum Censoriale de Mutandis Nominibus
(On the censors' name change edict)

Lex Cornelia et Maria EDICTUM CENSORIAL DE CIVITATE EIURANDA
(the censors' resignation edict)

The Curator Differium Election
>> Salve,

Sorry to do this, but a 'me too' on this posting. Like many cives,
I too will be away on 12/24 and 12/25; possibly 12/26 as well.
Can we do this after the holidays? Later the following week
perhaps?<<

We realize it was a holiday, but technically our holiday is over on the 23rd.
People who are celebrating Christmas can vote when they return the 27th or
28th
The cista remains open until the 30th.
The Consules
>>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Gratulatio
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@-------->
Date:	Sat, 23 Dec 2000 04:52:47 +0100

Salvete Luci Mari Peregrine!

Mari, I would like to congratulate you publicly on your appointment
as Legatus. After the "wanderings" which your name "Peregrinus" call
to mind, you have received some of the honour and responsibility that
are your due in this nation which you have ablely served before. I
would also like to congratulate your Propraetrix Livia Cornelia
Aurelia on making such a perspicacious nomination.

I regret that it was necessary to republish the appointment using a
feminised from of your properly masculine name due to the baleful
influence of the Edictum de Nominibus Mutandis. I hope sincerely that
the time shall come when Nova Roma will see fit to allow you to use
the appropriate gender even for those things most official.

It is nice to see Propraetrix Cornelia Aurelia organising so
efficiently in North America - here in Polonia we remain bereft of
Provincial organisation. I hope that all the cives in your provincia
will appreciate her efforts and yours, and the advantages they enjoy
because of them.

Saturnalia hilarissima Vobis ambobus exopto!
(I wish both of you a most merry Saturnalia!)

Optime valete!

Marcus Apollonius Formosanus
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae (http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/)
Moderator et Praeceptor Sodalitatis Latinitatis; Scriba Censorius    
ICQ# 61698049 AIM: MAFormosanus MSN: Formosanus
Civis Novae Romae in Silesia, Polonia
The Gens Apollonia is open to new members.
Ave nostra Respublica Libera - Nova Roma!
________________________________________
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Subject:	[novaroma] RubiCon
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:34:05 -0500

Salvete, Omnes;

I am considering inaugurating what may turn into a new tradition within our
society, and I would really want to get some input from the Citizenry.

One of the things I consider of great importance is establishing more
face-to-face contact between us, whether at a local level (which I am also
working at as Proconsul of the Mediatlantica Provincia) or at a national
level.

My idea is thus; let's have a Nova Roma-con; a place for Nova Romans to get
together face-to-face, meet, talk, trade ideas, and generally have a lot of
fun. The model I'm thinking of is the science fiction convention (of which I
must confess I am an old attendee). Let's gather in a hotel someplace, rent
a room or two, and have some programming; perhaps we can convince a
professor or two from a local university to give a presentation, some of our
own amateur scholars might have something to share, our merchants something
to sell, and our magistrates something to listen to. If we can, let's have a
live Senate meeting!

I call it RubiCon. (It wouldn't be a real convention without a pun in the
name!)

My specific proposal is thus: let us have a gathering in the fall of 2754
AUC (2001 CE), in Boston, MA, USA. I'd like to start a new tradition that
the Consuls host this hopefully-to-be-annual event somewhere close to at
least one of them (that way, when we elect a Consul from, say, Britannia or
Germania, there's a pretty good chance that RubiCon would end up in Europe--
or Australia, or wherever-- eventually; kinda like WorldCon). Nothing
formal; just a tradition, although traditions often end up having their own
rules.

Let's find a hotel, and invite some local professors, and get together and
have a great time!

I'd love to get the support of our Boston University contingent (my old Alma
Mater; hope you're not staying in Warren Towers!), but between the Nova
Britannia and Mediatlantica provincias, we have over 150 Citizens, plus
hopefully some might be pursuaded to travel just a little bit farther.

If we had such a meeting in September or October of 2001, would you be
interested in attending? Let's see if this is a practical idea!

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus


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Subject:	[novaroma] Greek Jewelry Website
From:	Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@-------->
Date:	Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:22:47 -0800 (PST)

Here's some information on Greek jewelry, including
the Roman era, which some might find interesting.

Lucius Aetius Dalmaticus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Announcement: The Tribes are to Assemble-curator differium
From:	Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@-------->
Date:	Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:17:34 -0800 (PST)

Salvete!

Lucius Aetius Dalmaticus here and "ready to Rogate!"
Sura, are you home down there?

By the way, unlike everyone else, I have no objection
to the dates, but am curious why notice was so short.

--- gmvick32@-------- wrote:
> This Rogator is going to have family in during the
> period from Dec 23 - 26 and
> won't be available to Rogate until their departure.
>
> Livia Cornelia Aurelia
>
> sfp55@-------- wrote:
>
> > Salvete Citizens of Rome!
> > The Comitia Tributa will assemble at the Capital
> Sunrise a.d VIII Kal.
> > Ianuarius (Dec 24th) to pass legislation and elect
> the new curator differium.
> > People wishing to stand for the office should
> declare now.
> > Valete
> > The Consules
> >
>
>


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Announcement: The Tribes are to Assemble-curator differium
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:14:45 -0600

23 Dec 200

Salve

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Smith" <JSmithCSA@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Announcement: The Tribes are to Assemble-curator
differium


> Salvete!
>
> Lucius Aetius Dalmaticus here and "ready to Rogate!"
> Sura, are you home down there?
>
> By the way, unlike everyone else, I have no objection
> to the dates, but am curious why notice was so short.
>

I too, do not like the short notice, and the not being unable to
participate.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius
Praetor
Canada Occidentalis


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Senate news
From:	Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@-------->
Date:	Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:26:47 -0800 (PST)

--- LSergAust@-------- wrote:
> Salvete omnes!
>
> A December Senate session is in the making. So far,
> proposed items for
> debate include presentation of a budget, which is
> already past due, term
> limits on magistrates, and an amendment to the
> Constitution in the area
> of the tribunes' power of intercessio.
>
> If you have opinions on these or other items of
> importance to you that
> you want heard, the address is:
>
> <senate@-------->

Salve!

I hope the Senate will also review the Century system,
as has been suggested by someone else (apologies for
not recalling the name) and that the Rogators will be
able to comment on the system and make recommendations
on improvement.

Lucius Aetius Dalmaticus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Announcement: The Tribes are to Assemble-curator differium
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:17:13 -0600

I mean the not being "able" to participate!

QS


----- Original Message -----
From: "Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->; "Jeff Smith" <JSmithCSA@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Announcement: The Tribes are to Assemble-curator
differium


> 23 Dec 200
>
> Salve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Smith" <JSmithCSA@-------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 1:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Announcement: The Tribes are to
Assemble-curator
> differium
>
>
> > Salvete!
> >
> > Lucius Aetius Dalmaticus here and "ready to Rogate!"
> > Sura, are you home down there?
> >
> > By the way, unlike everyone else, I have no objection
> > to the dates, but am curious why notice was so short.
> >
>
> I too, do not like the short notice, and the not being unable to
> participate.
>
> Vale
>
> Quintus Sertorius
> Praetor
> Canada Occidentalis
>
>
>
>
>


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Subject:	[novaroma] Voter Codes for 24th
From:	"Daniel" <Danat2000@-------->
Date:	Sat, 23 Dec 2000 18:02:22 +1030

Salve,

To vote in the Comitia Tributa we'd obviously need our voter codes wouldn't we? I'm afraid I lost mine so if any of the Censors read this could you please send it to me

Vale

Marcus Arcadius Pius


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Subject:	[novaroma] Voter Codes
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@-------->
Date:	Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:51:06 -0800

Ave Citizens of Nova Roma.

The voter codes will be the same for this election as it was for the
most recent election. If you lost your voter codes, please contact me
and I will get them to you as soon as possible.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor of Nova Roma


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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: RubiCon & Aediles
From:	Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@-------->
Date:	Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:48:20 -0800 (PST)

Salvete!

Flavius Vedius Germanicus has offered a wonderful
suggestion, that we try to gather together in the fall
of next year. Altho' I'm not sure I'll be able to
attend (I live in Germania and getting away is very
hard due to work), I support the idea, and hope it is
successful.

I have a supporting, related suggestion.

It seems to me that the Aediles ought to be in charge
of gatherings like this. In ancient days they were in
charge of managing the roads and waterways and staging
the games. This seems a close parallel to our
"RubiCon", if one considers that the Aediles will be
assisting with housing and travel plans as well as
arranging the entertainment (the professor or whoever
we get).

My proposal is that the Curule Aediles be responsible
for NovaRoma activities, and the Plebian Aediles be
responsible for coordinating Provincial activities.
Mind you, this does not mean they are directly
responsible for doing the work (altho' they could if
they wanted to), merely for appointing someone to get
it done, and making sure it happens. (In ancient
days, they didn't have to drive the chariots or feed
the lions, just make sure that someone did it.)

The result, I hope will be an annual gathering,
supported by a number of provincial gatherings.

Lucius Aetius Dalmaticus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Away until Sunday, 12/24
From:	cassius622@--------
Date:	Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:02:21 -0000

Salvete,

Patricia Cassia and I will be away until Sunday evening, 12/24.
(Don't know how active I'll be then, either, but that'll be the first
opportunity to check email.)

Have a safe and fun Saturnalia, everyone! :)

Valete,

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Announcement: The Tribes are to Assemble-curator differium
From:	"Gn. Moravius Piscinus " <piscinus@-------->
Date:	Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:46:43 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, sfp55@a... wrote:
> Salvete Citizens of Rome!
> The Comitia Tributa will assemble at the Capital Sunrise a.d VIII
Kal.
> Ianuarius (Dec 24th) to pass legislation and elect the new curator
differium.
> People wishing to stand for the office should declare now.
> Valete
> The Consules


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Holiday Cheer - from Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
From:	SyanneRose@--------
Date:	Sat, 23 Dec 2000 12:31:13 EST

Ave,

Pompeie!! This was so cute! Thank you, and a Happy Holiday to you as well.



Vale
Aeternia

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Subject:	[novaroma] Saturnalia
From:	Razenna <razenna@-------->
Date:	Sat, 23 Dec 2000 10:59:59 -0800

Saturnalia was originally only one day. From a strictly religious point of view it
was only celebrated on 17 December. In practice the celebration, the public
festivities if you will, extended to as many as seven days by Cicero's time. During
the Empire the number fluctuated between three, five and seven days. The seasonal
festivals of many peoples are around this same time of year, the astronomical Winter
Solstice (the Sun entering the first degree of the constellation Capricornus) and the
nominal shortest daylight segment of the year. During the 20th Century of the common
era the festival became most widely known as "Christmas" and is a time of celebration
in such non-"Christian" lands as Japan, China and India. In some regions the Fasti
starts (in earnest) as early as the second week of December and only stops when it
runs into the "New Year" celebrations.

I believe most contemporary Romans continue to celebrate Saturnalia even after the
23rd of December. We know that the rest of the world is celebrating Our ancient
holiday through the following week, and we do too, if only in our hearts and minds.
As noted above, there were times under the Empire when attempts were made to shorten
the public festival. It may be postulated that the festival would have been
officially extended, as it had been from its founding until the time of the late
Republic, to a span of days that the people of the world seem to celebrate it today.

I propose that Nova Roma extend the official recognition of Saturnalia through 26
December. The three days would be Dies Comitales, as they are now, as many of the
days from 17 through 23 December are now. Enlarging a fine holiday with religious
roots and overtones is certainly a Roman thing to do. As is taking back what is ours
and expanding our turf at the same time. =({[:-)

Hilaritas. Comitas. Pietas.

C. Aelius Ericius.
Paterfamilias gens Aelia. Augur. Pontifex. Senator.


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Announcement: The Tribes are to Assemble-curator differium
From:	Fortunatus <labienus@-------->
Date:	Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:09:28 -0600

T Labienus Q Fabio Quiritibusque S P D

The timing of this election bothers me, as does the manner in which it
has been called.

First, all of the various leges Vediae which appertain to election
procedures require the magistrate who calls the election to supply:

"1. In the case of a law, the content of the rogationes (proposals to be
voted upon). While each proposal must deal with only a single topic,
multiple proposals may be considered and voted on by the comitia at the
same time.

"2. In the case of a magisterial election, the names of the candidates
and the offices for which they stand.

"3. In the case of a legal case, the charges, names of the litigants,
and consequences facing the defendant."

While the third point doesn't matter in this case, the other two do.
"Lex Minucia de rogatorium (on Rogators)" (used purely for example and
because it was first in the list) is hardly enough information to allow
discussion. It is certainly not the *content* of the proposal, which is
what is required by law. And, we don't have any idea who might be
running for the curator differum position.

Second, considering that a large proportion of our cives will be on
holiday and incapable of sufficiently paying attention to any discussion
that arises, is it really wise to use this time to both revise the
century point system and attempt to promulgate the latest version of the
single-most controversial piece of legislation in our short history?!

Finally, the law requires that at least two market days pass between the
start of voting and the close of the polls. That's a minimum of ten
days. In this case, voting starts on the 24th and lasts to the 30th; a
mere seven days at best.

This vote is irregular, illegal, and ill-advised. Surely it could be
delayed until the new year? I realize that a new set of consules would
have to preside over it, but wouldn't that be better than to end the
year in this manner?

Valete

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Announcement: The Tribes are to Assemble-curator differium
From:	"Razenna " <razenna@-------->
Date:	Sat, 23 Dec 2000 20:32:40 -0000

T. Labienus Fortunatus makes very good points here, and cites "chapter
and verse" relating to the problems with this election. To take this
one step farther, I do not think Nova Roma needs another election in
its short history that might be conducted in a manner that will leave
it open to challenges down the line. One of the items up for a vote
being That Edict truly calls for the matter being done where there is
not the least room for wrangling. I believe the lex regarding That
Edict will pass, so please have the decision where there is no room
for any "faction" to get more mileage from. I am tired of all this
bull. [bulls are best with gilded horns before, and barbeque sauce
after]

C. Aelius Ericius.


--- In novaroma@--------, Fortunatus <labienus@t...> wrote:
> T Labienus Q Fabio Quiritibusque S P D
>
> The timing of this election bothers me, as does the manner in which
it
> has been called.
>
> First, all of the various leges Vediae which appertain to election
> procedures require the magistrate who calls the election to supply:
>
> "1. In the case of a law, the content of the rogationes (proposals
to be
> voted upon). While each proposal must deal with only a single topic,
> multiple proposals may be considered and voted on by the comitia at
the
> same time.
>
> "2. In the case of a magisterial election, the names of the
candidates
> and the offices for which they stand.
>
> "3. In the case of a legal case, the charges, names of the
litigants,
> and consequences facing the defendant."
>
> While the third point doesn't matter in this case, the other two do.
> "Lex Minucia de rogatorium (on Rogators)" (used purely for example
and
> because it was first in the list) is hardly enough information to
allow
> discussion. It is certainly not the *content* of the proposal,
which is
> what is required by law. And, we don't have any idea who might be
> running for the curator differum position.
>
> Second, considering that a large proportion of our cives will be on
> holiday and incapable of sufficiently paying attention to any
discussion
> that arises, is it really wise to use this time to both revise the
> century point system and attempt to promulgate the latest version of
the
> single-most controversial piece of legislation in our short
history?!
>
> Finally, the law requires that at least two market days pass between
the
> start of voting and the close of the polls. That's a minimum of ten
> days. In this case, voting starts on the 24th and lasts to the
30th; a
> mere seven days at best.
>
> This vote is irregular, illegal, and ill-advised. Surely it could
be
> delayed until the new year? I realize that a new set of consules
would
> have to preside over it, but wouldn't that be better than to end the
> year in this manner?
>
> Valete


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Subject:	[novaroma] Eagle
From:	"Flavia Claudia" <cherils@-------->
Date:	Sat, 23 Dec 2000 21:08:16 -0000

I've been informed that the editorship of the Eagle is no longer a
Senate appointment but an elected office, and I should announce my
candidacy. (Well, I've been away a while, can you tell?)So..this is
my announcement.

I edited the Eagle in the past and really enjoyed it. I think the
newsletter has enormous potential to become more than an internal NR
instrument -- I believe that, with a little work and more people
contributing, it can be a general interest magazine. But first, we
need to get more Nova Romans involved, and build up our subscription
list.

If elected, I intend to make the Eagle my primary focus (last time I
was distracted by political office. BIG mistake!).

Thank you.

Vespasia Pollia Iuliana
(formerly Flavia Claudia Iuliana)


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Eagle
From:	Piparskegg UllRsson <catamount_grange@-------->
Date:	Sat, 23 Dec 2000 15:40:10 -0600

Salve Vespasi Pollia et Avete Omnes,

As a Homo Antiquus here in the New City, I remember Vespasia Pollia's tenure as editor of the Eagle
quite well.

She has my support, whenever the election takes place.

Welcome home old friend.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Saturnalia
From:	Antonio Manuel Grilo <amg@-------->
Date:	Sat, 23 Dec 2000 21:41:17 +0000 (WET)

Salve amice C. Aeli Erici et al

Starting by the end...

> I propose that Nova Roma extend the official recognition of Saturnalia
through 26
> December. The three days would be Dies Comitales, as they are now, as
many of the
> days from 17 through 23 December are now. Enlarging a fine holiday with
religious
> roots and overtones is certainly a Roman thing to do.
Well... I personally prefer to follow the Roman tradition. During the late
Empire, December 25th became an important day as the birthday of the Sun,
Sol Invictus. That day was known as Dies Natalis Dei Solis Invicti, date
which was possibly taken from the Mithraic Mysteries as the birthday of Sol
Invictus Mithras - more on this later in the proper day =). It occured one
day after the Saturnalia, which by that time finished on December 24.

So, while the late republican festival spans until December 23rd, there
is a
precedent - though from a late period, the late Empire still pagan - to
celebrate the Saturnalia until December 24th, and the Dies Natalis Solis
Invicti on December 25th.
Nevertheless, in my opinion, we should keep the Republican dates as
official, though we can in our homes calebrate until December 25th.

>The seasonal
> festivals of many peoples are around this same time of year, the
astronomical Winter
> Solstice (the Sun entering the first degree of the constellation
Capricornus) and the
> nominal shortest daylight segment of the year.
And I remind that this year - at least in some regions - there will be a
solar eclipse marking the Dies Natalis Solis Invicti on December 25th.

Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus


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Subject:	[novaroma] New elections?
From:	Piparskegg UllRsson <catamount_grange@-------->
Date:	Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:09:06 -0600

Avete,

A question about the extra election. Are there plans on opening it up to fill offices still empty
from the regular election?

We did have a good crop of candidates willing to serve.

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Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN [Religio Romana] ante diem X Kalendas Ianuarias
From:	Antonio Manuel Grilo <amg@-------->
Date:	Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:12:12 +0000 (WET)

Salvete omnes

Today is one a "dies nefastus publicus" (NP), a day of special religious
observance when legal business cannot take place.

Today is the Larentalia, a festival in honour of Acca Larentia, who in
Roman mythology was the wife of the shepherd Faustulus and foster mother
of Romulus and Remus. Her 12 sons founded the priesthood of the Fratres
Arvales (Arval Brothers). According to one legend she was a wealthy
courtesan who left all her money to the people of Rome. She is sometimes
identified with the shewolf that nourished the twins Romulus and Remus.
The Flamen Quirinalis and the Pontifices officiate a sacrifice in memory
of Acca Larentia on the Velabrus, the place where according to the legend
Ancus Martius buried Acca Larentia.

This is the 7th and last day of the Saturnalia.

The month of December is sacred to Vesta.

Valete bene in pace deorum
Antonius Gryllus Graecus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Sol Invictis. [Was Re: Saturnalia]
From:	"Razenna " <razenna@-------->
Date:	Sat, 23 Dec 2000 23:29:52 -0000

---Antonius Gryllus Graecus wrote:

> And I remind that this year - at least in some regions - there will
be a
> solar eclipse marking the Dies Natalis Solis Invicti on December
25th.

I also saw this and made the connection to the Uncoquerable Sun!
Ave, Mithras. Ave Sol Invictis.

C. Aelius Ericius.


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Subject:	[novaroma] Quintus Sertorius
From:	"Rita " <metistwo@-------->
Date:	Sat, 23 Dec 2000 23:52:41 -0000

21 Dec 2000

Salve All

I have found internet access! If anyone needs to reach me they can do
so by sending an email to this address. I will be here till the 3 Jan
2001. I should be able to vote from here along with my wife and
father. I will keep track of the Nova Roma posts.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius
Praetor
Canada Occidentalis


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