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[novaroma] elections and history |
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SPQR_HQ@-------- |
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Mon, 25 Dec 2000 04:20:10 -0000 |
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Subject: elections
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 16:33:43 -0000
On the historical side, there are plenty of precedents for
voting/elections being held this way in the Original Roma.....When
J.Caesar came into Roma after all the supporters of Pompey fled,
when Sulla the "great" drove out Marius' s followers, when Marius
drove out Sulla's followers, when ... yes it is good to have
surprise elections, especially when most of the voters have gone away
for the holidays. Why even have voting? Just say you had it and
everyone missed it.
C. Fabius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] elections and history |
| From: |
LSergAust@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 25 Dec 2000 01:41:08 EST |
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What a lot of rubbish is being passed around here! This is the Internet
- unless you're going to the bottom of the Phillipine Trench, or the tip
of Everest, or someplace similar, the Internet can be accessed from
anywhere you might be going. It might be inconvenient for a few people to
access the cista today or tomorrow, but that's true at any given time.
This assembly was not proposed to be out of reach of anyone.
Tomorrow I'm traveling to two different parts of Mississippi, one of the
most backward regions in this country, and I can access the cista from
either of them by just borrowing the use of my hosts' computers. Or I can
just pop into the local internet cafe and go online there.
Anyway, as it stands, the absence of propitious omens has put off the
voting for several days, (try *reading* the current news before you post)
so all of the little whining phoneys here will have to find some other
pseudo-injustice to pontificate about.
Lucius Sergius Australicus Obstinatus
disgusted Tribunus Plebis (for one more week)
To paraphrase Tom Jefferson: I tremble for my country when I reflect that
the gods are just.
On 12/24/00 10:20 PM SPQR_HQ@-------- (SPQR_HQ@--------) wrote:
>Subject: elections
>Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 16:33:43 -0000
>
>On the historical side, there are plenty of precedents for
>voting/elections being held this way in the Original Roma.....When
>J.Caesar came into Roma after all the supporters of Pompey fled,
>when Sulla the "great" drove out Marius' s followers, when Marius
>drove out Sulla's followers, when ... yes it is good to have
>surprise elections, especially when most of the voters have gone away
>for the holidays. Why even have voting? Just say you had it and
>everyone missed it.
>
>C. Fabius
purgamentum init, exit purgamentum.
(Garbage in, garbage out.)
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] elections and history |
| From: |
Christer Edling <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 25 Dec 2000 11:04:03 +0100 |
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>Subject: elections
>Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 16:33:43 -0000
>
>On the historical side, there are plenty of precedents for
>voting/elections being held this way in the Original Roma.....When
>J.Caesar came into Roma after all the supporters of Pompey fled,
>when Sulla the "great" drove out Marius' s followers, when Marius
>drove out Sulla's followers, when ... yes it is good to have
>surprise elections, especially when most of the voters have gone away
>for the holidays. Why even have voting? Just say you had it and
>everyone missed it.
>
>C. Fabius
Salve!
It would be better with a cognomen added, then all would know that C.
Fabius isn't Caeso Fabius Quintilianus. But I too would like to see the
proposed leges published before the actual comitia.
Ave et salve
Christer Edling
alias
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Absentia |
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Caius Flavius Diocletianus <3s@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 25 Dec 2000 11:57:26 +0100 |
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Caius Flavius Diocletianus Quiritibus S.P.D.
Due to some private obligations, I will be off-list until December,
27th.
Valete
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] ATTN [Religio Romana] ante diem VIII Kalendas Ianuarias (December 25th) |
| From: |
Antonio Manuel Grilo <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 25 Dec 2000 13:55:26 +0000 (WET) |
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Salvete omnes
I'm very happy to be available to post today. Although this is not an
official religious date of the state cult of the Republic period, this
day has an important meaning not only for the followers of Mithras and
the followers of Sol Invictus "Mithras", but also for the Religio Romana
in general.
Today is the Dies Natalis Dei Solis Invicti, i.e. the birthday of Deus Sol
Invictus, the new God of the state pantheon introduced by Emperor
Aurelianus in 274 AD with the dedication of Sol Invictus in Rome. At the
temple there were the busts of Bel (Near-Eastern deity equivalent to
Iuppiter) and Sol, in order to symbolize the fact that Sol Invictus is
the One God and the most true Sun that rules over the Cosmos. A new
college of Pontifices, the Pontifices Solis Invicti was instituted to
officiate the new cult. Quadrienal chariot races at the Circus were
instituted to honour the birthday of Sol Invictus, Who is also
traditionally a charioteer.
The date of the Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (December 25th) was chosen to
coincide with the official date of the Winter Solstice. The fact that Sol
Invictus was also called "Mithras" may sugest that the date was also the
birthday of the Sol Invictus Mithras of the Mithraic Mysteries. In
effect, mithraic iconography often associates Saturnus (and hence the
Saturnalia) to the birth of Mithras "petrogenus". The two Gods have other
things in common. Both represent the One God that concentrates all powers
of the Cosmos and the attributes of all deities. It is not to discard the
hipothesis that there were members of the Mithraic Mysteries within the
task force that defined the new state cult.
As you may know, Aurelianus had been campaigning in the East agaist
queen Zenobia of Palmyra. During all campaign he showed his devotion to the
Sun One God. Before conquering Palmyra, he offered to Sol Invictus
Elagabalus at Emesa and asked for victory... And he indeed won the
campaign! During the sack of Palmyra, the temple of Sol Invictus
Malakbelus had been destroyed. He rebuilt the temple as an expiation to
the God. Then, he sent members of the Pontifices Solis in
peregrination to Syria, the region where Sol Invictus was mostly honoured
(there were several Soles Invicti worshiped in the Near East: Mithras,
Elagabalus, Malakbelus, Heliopolitanus).
The introduction of the new Sol Invictus in Rome was not disastrous like the
previous introduction of Sol Invictus Elagabalus by the young Emperor-priest
"Elagabalus" some 50 years before. Aurelianus was smart enough to give
Sol Invictus a Roman flavour (and not the oriental liturgy of
Emesa that Elagabalus
had introduced with no change), more akin to the traditional Roman Sol
Indiges (in this way, the God is honoured with traditional chariot
races). Also, the traditional cults were respected and kept their status.
Deus Sol Invictus was the God who fought the last battles for the
traditional Roman religion. Diocletianus, Maximianus, Licinius,
Constantinus (before the conversion), Iulianus, all can be called Solar
Emperors.
The battle of River Frigidus in 392 AD was the last battle of the Religio
Romana and also the last battle of Sol Invictus. There, Eugenius and
Arbogastes were defeated by the christian Theodosius.
Finally, I add that during the 4th century AD, the Christians started to
celebrate the birth of Christ in the Dies Natalis Solis Invicti. Until
then, the official Christian celebration was January 6th, the Epiphany.
This identification of Christ with Sol Invictus was mainly due to the
efforts of Emperor Constantinus in order to stop the conflict between
Christian and traditional Roman factions. It also served the purpose of
transforming a pagan festival into a Christian festival, for many
converted pagans continued to observe the pagan date even after
conversion to Christianity. With the passing of time, people forgot the
true meaning of December 25th. Well, we are here to remind that this is
the Dies Natalis Solis Invicti!
Valete bene in pace deorum
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
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