Subject: |
[novaroma] Suggestion from C. Tullius Cicero |
From: |
nr_cicero@-------- |
Date: |
Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:49:00 -0500 |
|
Hi Nova Roma Mainlist,
C. Tullius Cicero stopped by Discovering Archaeology
and suggested that you visit the following URL:
http://www.discoveringarchaeology.com/articles/122000-ceo.shtml
Here is their message....
Salve! This is an interesting article about the discovery of a piece of Cleopatras handwriting ordering an exemption for an officer of Marc Antony from Egyption tax.
Discovering Archaeology
http://discoveringarchaeology.com/
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Subject: |
[novaroma] Farwell Address-Marcus Minucius Audens, Junior Consul--Nova Roma |
From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
Date: |
Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:21:13 -0500 (EST) |
|
Salvete, Honored Senators, Magistrates and Citizens;
It has been a long year since I have taken up the office of Consul for
the Republic of Nova Roma, and during that relatively short time, I have
come to know many of you ladies and gentlemen well. I have not always
agreed with all, but then I have been at odds with many in my life, and
I think it much more important to have left a legacy of decency and a
steady record of work for the common good. In these two areas I have
tried to make my mark. Only time will tell how well I have succeeded.
This is not the time, in my view, to review the accomplisments of this
past Consulship as they are well known to the Citizens interested as the
discussions of such have rung like pealing bells throughout these
electronic halls. It is niether the time, in my view, to make promises
to the future, as deeds are always more significant than words. In my
estimation, this is a time to thank those, without whose support, this
task would have been impossible. My thanks therefore is registered in
the Magistartes of last year, who assisted my Consulat Colleague and I:
The Censors whose unremitting work is always expected ,but few times
rewarded with appreciation my special thanks;
The Tribunes whose dual duties of reporting and guardianship were of
great assistance;
The Praetors, whose decisions were often crucial in the affairs of
state;
and The Quaestors and Junior Magistrates quietly working in the
background to care for the many, many details of government.
I wish to take a moment to thank my Consular Staff for thier concise and
important contributions to my Consulship. No decision was made, no
situation entered into, and no policy determined without my close
consideration of thier views. They were without fail, most important to
my office, and have served the Republic well. They deserve your
unstinting respect and appreciation:
--Gaius Marius Merrullus--Senior Advisor;
--Labienus Fortunatus--Senatorial Advisor;
--Claudius Nigellus--Commercial Advisor;
--Livia Cornelia Aurelia--Advisor, Webmistress;
--Nicholas Moravius--Advisor, Chaplain;
--Pompeia Cornelia Strabo--Advisor, Scriba;
--Aurelius Tiberius--Advisor, Adjutant;
--Quintus Sertorius--Advisor, Adjutant's Asst.
My thanks to each and every one of you. Each of you have gone on in
Nova Roma to areas in which I am sure you will excell, for those very
attributes that saw service with me. My deepest appreciation to each of
you for your efforts, and your exceeding goodwill.
Tomorrow, I will have completed the Cursus Honorium as the second person
to do so in Nova Roma. That is an honor accorded to me by the Citizens
of Nova Roma and one I will always be proud to wear. I have achieved
such at the will of the people, and not because I was forced to it, but
rather because I wished to pursue such. The curve of learning within
the Cursus Honorium is the prime value, to me, and the knowledge and
experience gained thereby, and the friends made thereby, and the efforts
accomplished thereby are as valuable to me as any medals or certificates
on the wall of my office and were of inestimatable value in my tenure as
Consul. If at all possible, I should most strongly recommend that
course to any and all who would "SERVE" this Republic.
No farewell, would be complete without a formal thanks to my Consular
Colleague Q, Fabius Maximus, Senior Consul, who has throughout this year
been not only a colleague but a friend. Our different strengths have
dovetailed well together for the benefit of Nova Roma, and our views,
while sometimes differing have always reached concordance in some
respect for the benefit of ths nation. May such always be so among our
Magistrates, Senators, and Citizens.
I do not leave Nova Roma, but merely plan to change my venue. The
Sodalitas Militarium and the Sodalitas Egressus, will hopefully have a
large part in next year's plans for Nova Roma, and my duties as Quaestor
and Senator will keep me close to the actions within Nova Roma as she
moves into a banner year, predictably in the areas of Expansion and
Concordance. I am also extremely proud to be asked to take the position
of Honorary Legate Militum of Legio VI Victrix. There are probably many
here who know much more about the legions than I, so the appointment is
all the sweeter for that. I have also been asked by Consul-Elect
Julianus to consider the position of Pro-Consul to the Province of Nova
Britannica, and I have made my application to him for that purpose, to
be placed before the next Senate Call.
I am proud to turn over my stewardship of this Consular position to two
such well-known and well-proven gentlemen as Consuls-Elect Germanicus
and Julianus. I know that they will do Nova Roma proud in the coming
year, and I pledge to them both my support and my ability such as it may
be. Gentlemen it is my honor to relinquish to you the Sword of Defense
for Nova Roma, to you, the choice of the Citizens as Consuls for the
next year.
My most humble thanks to the Citizens of Nova Roma for thier past and
continued confidence in me to carry out the needs of your government for
which I have applied. My decisions as Consul and as Marcus Audens,
Citizen have often been been at odds during my tenure giving rise to the
question;-- am I two different people? To that question I must
answer--on occasion--yes; there are times which that is true. My
friends, it is truly one thing to discuss those items within an
instittution for which you have no Oath-Bound responsibility, but it is
entirely another to be forced by your Oath and by the right of those
people who have bestowed that Oath-Bound position upon you, to weigh the
rights and considerations of all the people, not just a few. To make
decisions based not upon friendship, but upon duty, and with the very
great possibility of hurting those very ones that have a friendship for
you. At times like these, the term "true friend" has a very special
meaning.
Those things which I was charged to do, but which could not be finished,
I have turned over to my counterpart, Junior Consul-Elect Cassius
Julianus, and I have answered his questions of me to the best of my
ability. I now lay down my position, before the people of Nova Roma,
with my deepest thanks for the honor that you have done me in elevating
myself to this auspicious office. Trusting in the Will of the Citizens
of Nova Roma and the Wisdom of the Roman Virtues, I say now Farewell, my
friends, as your Consul and upon the rising of the sun on the morrow,
will come before you again, in the robes of a Quaestor to continue in a
lesser capacity, but, I rust, a no less important one, to administer the
needs of this Great Republic.
Valete, Very Respectively and Most Humbly;
Marcus Minucius Audens
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Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Suggestion from C. Tullius Cicero |
From: |
razenna@-------- |
Date: |
Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:24:36 -0000 |
|
Gratias tibi ago, Cice.
As faded as it is, it was interesting seeing the sign-off of the last
Pharoah, Cleopatra VII.
Bene vale.
C. Aelius Ericius.
--- In novaroma@--------, nr_cicero@h... wrote:
> Hi Nova Roma Mainlist,
>
> C. Tullius Cicero stopped by Discovering Archaeology
> and suggested that you visit the following URL:
>
> http://www.discoveringarchaeology.com/articles/122000-ceo.shtml
>
> Here is their message....
> Salve! This is an interesting article about the
discovery of a piece of Cleopatras handwriting ordering an exemption
for an officer of Marc Antony from Egyption tax.
>
> Discovering Archaeology
>
> http://discoveringarchaeology.com/
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Subject: |
[novaroma] Democracy/ Republic yet again |
From: |
Mike Macnair <MikeMacnair@--------> |
Date: |
Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:54:34 -0500 |
|
Salvete!
I apologise to the generality of the citizens for going on with this
thread, but...
"C. Iulius" wrote,
>Response: Once again, Nova Roma is not a democracy. It is a Republic. I
would like to have comments from the other scholars >on this topic.
According to my knowledge, and dictionary.com a Republic is:
>A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens
who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives >responsible to
them.
<
It should be apparent, Cai Iuli, from the definition you quote, that there
is no contradiction between being a democracy and being a republic. A
democracy is just a kind of republic ...
Both Polybius and Cicero, the principal ancient authors on the Res Publica
Romana, characterised it as having democratic as well as oligarchic
elements. Cicero, indeed, comments that without democracy there can be no
liberty. Modern academics agree - hence the passage originally quoted by
QFM - that the constitution of Roma Antiqua was genuinely a mixed
constitution, not merely an oligarchy (Senate) with democratic forms tacked
on. Lintott, The Constitution of the Roman Republic, makes the same point.
It is this genuinely mixed constitution that we are or should be
reconstructing. Those who, like C. Iulius, claim NR is "not a Democracy, it
is a Republic" are engaged in projecting back modern politics onto an image
of Roma Antiqua.
Valete,
M. Mucius Scaevola Magister
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Subject: |
[novaroma] Fortunam optimam vobis exopto |
From: |
"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <octavianuslucius@--------> |
Date: |
Sun, 31 Dec 2000 20:58:51 -0000 |
|
I wish a very good fortune to all new magistrates who will take
office tomorrow, and also a happy new year to all novaroman citizens.
Fortunam optimam magistris novis et annum novum optimum omnibus
quiritibus novoromanis exopto.
Valete bene et curate ut valeatis
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Praetor Provincia Argentina
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Subject: |
[novaroma] MINERVIVM VIRTVALIVM CONDITVM EST |
From: |
"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@--------> |
Date: |
Sun, 31 Dec 2000 22:37:02 +0100 |
|
M. Apollonius Formosanus Omnibus Sectatores Religionis Romanae S.P.D.
It is my great pleasure to announce to all followers of the Religio
Romana that on this last day of the year (the 2753rd of the
Foundation of Rome), and of the Common Era century and millenium, I
have established to the glory of the Goddess and the use of her
believers a Minervium Virtuale - a Virtual Temple of Minerva.
The Minervium is equipped with images of the Goddess, historical and
religious information, prayers in Latin and English, resources
related to Minerva as a healing deity, and a fair amount of material
related to Philosophy - as is appropriate at the site of the Goddess
of Wisdom.
There is also a related mailing list at eGroups, specifically:
http://www.egroups.com/group/Minervium. This is for use in
non-private prayers, questions, scholarly discussions, the
dissemination of texts related to the Goddess, and announcements of
improvements and updates to the site itself. (It is not intended as a
replacement or rival for the religion lists, the philosophy list or
any list of the Sodalitas Musarum, but only for things with a special
relation to Minerva and this site.)
For any imperfections and for the inevitable things that might have
been done better I apologise in advance, and I hope to be upgrading
and improving the site with the suggestions I shall no doubt be
receiving from others, particularly our learned pontifices and
flamines. I encourage those with comments to write me personally or
on the Minervium list.
As the Paterfamilias of the Gens Apollonia, one of the gentes of
Nova Roma having Minerva as its Patroness, it is a source of
considerable satisfaction to me that we now have available to the
world an on-line Temple for Minerva to match the religious facilities
long since dedicated to her Greek manifestation, Athena.
I hope that all of you with an interest in the cult of Minerva will
feel free to come to her Temple and pay your respects. And I hope
that She will through this reinforcement of Her presence among us
influence us to pursue greater wisdom in our lives, individually and
as a community.
Dea Minerva nos omnes bene amet!
Valete!
Marcus Apollonius Formosanus
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae (http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/)
Moderator et Praeceptor Sodalitatis Latinitatis; Scriba Censorius
ICQ# 61698049 AIM: MAFormosanus MSN: Formosanus
Civis Novae Romae in Silesia, Polonia
The Gens Apollonia is open to new members.
Ave nostra Respublica Libera - Nova Roma!
________________________________________
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Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: A Compulsory Cursus Honorum |
From: |
"metistwo" <metistwo@--------> |
Date: |
Sun, 31 Dec 2000 06:06:52 -0600 |
|
31 Dec 2000
Salve Pompeia
I agree with Pompeia's thoughts on this, as usual you display your good
sense on this. On another note I will be at this location(250 miles north of
the northern outpost for Nova Roma in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada) until 4
Jan 2001, it is at that time that I will post various edicta for Canada
Ocidentalis.
Vale
Quintus Sertorius
Praetor
Canada Occidentalis
-----Original Message-----
From: Pompeia Cornelia <scriba_forum@-------->
To: ancientrome@-------- <ancientrome@-------->
Cc: novaroma@-------- <novaroma@-------->
Date: Saturday, December 30, 2000 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: A Compulsory Cursus Honorum
Salvete Omnibus Nova Roma:
At the risk of sounding redundant I would like to post a few snippets in
response to this post.
Why? Because I believe it is important, and I believe some valid issues
have been raised about a mandatory Cursus Honorum.
>From: "C. Iulius" <ancientrome@-------->
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Re: A Compulsory Cursus Honorum
>Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 02:03:10 -0800
>
>Greetings Citizens of Nova Roma,
>
>Once more I have been forced to comment on a post by M. Apollonius
>Formosanus, below will be my responses to his post. I feel compelled to
>post this because of various inaccuracies in his post.
Pompeia*******Well, lets have a look, here***********
>
> I have observed that on the senate agenda is the notion of making
>the cursus honorum obligatory and fixed. I submit that this is an
>exceedingly bad idea.
>
>Response: I disagree; the Senate should be in the forefront of promoting
>various traditions within Nova Roma. Once of those traditions worth
>reimplmenting would be the Cursus Honorum. This “Path of Honor,” should be
>the tradition within Nova Roma.
Pompeia****** I am all for the Senate promoting Roman Republican political
tradition, but not at the expense of fairness and practicality...IMHO, a
compulsory Cursus is currently politically unworkable in Nova Roma by virtue
of its small citizen number.
Please keep in mind,C. Iulius, that when Roma Antiquita started off, it
was a kingship; by the time the Republic was established, and the cursus,
she had a very large population, providing a diverse choice of electoral
candidates ......such is not the case with Nova Roma and its population of
600, keeping in mind that not all of this 600 are active citizens.
As it stands,those who are well up the curve of honour are well weighted in
Century points; their votes are already a big election factor; that is not a
dig at the senior magistrates, but a statement of fact...we have a small,
but topheavy group of powerful voters. If we make a climb up the Cursus
mandatory, this situation could potentiate. Not only does a new candidate
have to be concerned with the distribution of Century Points, he has also to
be concerned with having served prerequisite positions of office before
progressing "up the curve".
The distribution of Century points would not be a factor in the above
situation if we had a larger populace; although each average citizen has
much smaller century point counts than senior magistrates, their collective
votes/points would be more numerically powerful, better allowing new
candidates to be voted in. And again, it goes without saying that the larger
the populace, the more candidates willing to climb the cursus.
A mandatory cursus would work if we had a larger populus...as it stands now
it would be a detriment to the fairness of our political system, as
traditional as it is.
I do not believe that a person with niggardly experience in Nova Roma
politics or a shortlived citizenship should run for say Praetor, Censor or
Consul. There are already some criteria of eligibility for these positions.
I would be in favour of a review of these in lieu of imposing a mandatory
cursus, atleast right now.***********
Are you personally upset about this because you attempted to bypass the
Cursus Honorum M. Apollonius?
Pompeia*********Where did you come up with this notion, with due respect? I
don't think it is very relevant to this discussion, other than Formosanus
ran for office*******
>
> In the past elections we had a very rich variety of candidates for
>most posts compared with the past, but that was so because we had
>more candidates at all levels (except quaestor, obviously) who would
>not have qualified under a compulsory cursus honorum. For example,
>only Praetor Diocletianus would be a possible new candidate for
>consul next year, and everybody else running for that post would have
>to be "recycled". Similarly, no new person is a consul next year, as
>both were consuls before. Thus we are creating no new possibilities
>for election to the censorate next time.
>
>Response: However, Nova Roma had ample choice. If I recall Nova Romans
>had the choice of: 3 Consuls, at least 5 Praetors, 5 Tribunes of the Plebs.
> I think the choice available to Citizens of Nova Roma were ample. And,
>your assessment is not correct for Consuls for next year. The Current
>Praetors (Antonio Gryllus and M. Iunius) are available and all previous
>office holders are available too. Your facts, M. Apollonius are wrong.
Pompeia***********"Ample choice at present, yes, but we are discussing a
Mandatory Cursus Honorum, which would, at present, severely limit the choice
of candidates, no?*************
>
> Patres conscripti et Quirites, out of the six senior magistrates
>for
>the coming year, only one has not been a senior magistrate before.
>
>Response: Again that is not because of a lack of choice.
>
>Producing new candidates for the higher ranks at this rate, we simply
>cannot provide the three or four candidates for the highest three
>positions (one cenorship not needing filled in any given year, of
>course) that would give voters a real choice of new candidates. That
>being the case, I submit that plans to make the cursus honorum
>mandatory be shelved for at least two more years. It would be a great
>bottleneck on the free development of our democracy at this point in
>time.
>
>Response: Marcus Apollonius, you are again wrong. Nova Roma is not a
>democracy. Nova Roma is a Republic fashioned on the Roman Republic.
>Please do further research before you commit more blunders and mislead the
>citizens of Nova Roma.
Pompeia*********Allow me to express things another way, to reflect my
thoughts, and to maintain Pax: Let us 'shelve' this very traditional Roman
Republican idea for about two years until Nova Roma grows enough in
population so that it will work effectively to provide a fair electoral
system, which is what it was designed to do. It simply would not work, in
my view, with our small population.*********
Pompeia*******C. Iulius, I have observed that you enjoy posting on our
political forums; your knowlege of the Nova Roma Constitution and Republican
traditions is quite indepth.....indeed your are a keenly "interested
observer". I am not sure that I would be able to maintain such a vested
interest in the politics of a micronation I did not belong to, but each to
his own. Could you post a brief introduction to the list and tell us about
yourself?*********
Reverentia,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Propraetrix 2754 AUC, Canada Orientalis
Nova Roma
>C. Iulius
>*An interested observer*
>
>
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Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: A Compulsory Cursus Honorum |
From: |
"metistwo" <metistwo@--------> |
Date: |
Sun, 31 Dec 2000 06:11:38 -0600 |
|
31 Dec 2000
Salve Pompeia
I agree with Pompeia's thoughts on this, as usual you display your good
sense on this. On another note I will be at this location(250 miles north of
the northern outpost for Nova Roma in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada) until 4
Jan 2001, it is at that time that I will post various edicta for Canada
Ocidentalis.
Vale
Quintus Sertorius
Praetor
Canada Occidentalis
-----Original Message-----
From: Pompeia Cornelia <scriba_forum@-------->
To: ancientrome@-------- <ancientrome@-------->
Cc: novaroma@-------- <novaroma@-------->
Date: Saturday, December 30, 2000 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: A Compulsory Cursus Honorum
Salvete Omnibus Nova Roma:
At the risk of sounding redundant I would like to post a few snippets in
response to this post.
Why? Because I believe it is important, and I believe some valid issues
have been raised about a mandatory Cursus Honorum.
>From: "C. Iulius" <ancientrome@-------->
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Re: A Compulsory Cursus Honorum
>Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 02:03:10 -0800
>
>Greetings Citizens of Nova Roma,
>
>Once more I have been forced to comment on a post by M. Apollonius
>Formosanus, below will be my responses to his post. I feel compelled to
>post this because of various inaccuracies in his post.
Pompeia*******Well, lets have a look, here***********
>
> I have observed that on the senate agenda is the notion of making
>the cursus honorum obligatory and fixed. I submit that this is an
>exceedingly bad idea.
>
>Response: I disagree; the Senate should be in the forefront of promoting
>various traditions within Nova Roma. Once of those traditions worth
>reimplmenting would be the Cursus Honorum. This “Path of Honor,” should be
>the tradition within Nova Roma.
Pompeia****** I am all for the Senate promoting Roman Republican political
tradition, but not at the expense of fairness and practicality...IMHO, a
compulsory Cursus is currently politically unworkable in Nova Roma by virtue
of its small citizen number.
Please keep in mind,C. Iulius, that when Roma Antiquita started off, it
was a kingship; by the time the Republic was established, and the cursus,
she had a very large population, providing a diverse choice of electoral
candidates ......such is not the case with Nova Roma and its population of
600, keeping in mind that not all of this 600 are active citizens.
As it stands,those who are well up the curve of honour are well weighted in
Century points; their votes are already a big election factor; that is not a
dig at the senior magistrates, but a statement of fact...we have a small,
but topheavy group of powerful voters. If we make a climb up the Cursus
mandatory, this situation could potentiate. Not only does a new candidate
have to be concerned with the distribution of Century Points, he has also to
be concerned with having served prerequisite positions of office before
progressing "up the curve".
The distribution of Century points would not be a factor in the above
situation if we had a larger populace; although each average citizen has
much smaller century point counts than senior magistrates, their collective
votes/points would be more numerically powerful, better allowing new
candidates to be voted in. And again, it goes without saying that the larger
the populace, the more candidates willing to climb the cursus.
A mandatory cursus would work if we had a larger populus...as it stands now
it would be a detriment to the fairness of our political system, as
traditional as it is.
I do not believe that a person with niggardly experience in Nova Roma
politics or a shortlived citizenship should run for say Praetor, Censor or
Consul. There are already some criteria of eligibility for these positions.
I would be in favour of a review of these in lieu of imposing a mandatory
cursus, atleast right now.***********
Are you personally upset about this because you attempted to bypass the
Cursus Honorum M. Apollonius?
Pompeia*********Where did you come up with this notion, with due respect? I
don't think it is very relevant to this discussion, other than Formosanus
ran for office*******
>
> In the past elections we had a very rich variety of candidates for
>most posts compared with the past, but that was so because we had
>more candidates at all levels (except quaestor, obviously) who would
>not have qualified under a compulsory cursus honorum. For example,
>only Praetor Diocletianus would be a possible new candidate for
>consul next year, and everybody else running for that post would have
>to be "recycled". Similarly, no new person is a consul next year, as
>both were consuls before. Thus we are creating no new possibilities
>for election to the censorate next time.
>
>Response: However, Nova Roma had ample choice. If I recall Nova Romans
>had the choice of: 3 Consuls, at least 5 Praetors, 5 Tribunes of the Plebs.
> I think the choice available to Citizens of Nova Roma were ample. And,
>your assessment is not correct for Consuls for next year. The Current
>Praetors (Antonio Gryllus and M. Iunius) are available and all previous
>office holders are available too. Your facts, M. Apollonius are wrong.
Pompeia***********"Ample choice at present, yes, but we are discussing a
Mandatory Cursus Honorum, which would, at present, severely limit the choice
of candidates, no?*************
>
> Patres conscripti et Quirites, out of the six senior magistrates
>for
>the coming year, only one has not been a senior magistrate before.
>
>Response: Again that is not because of a lack of choice.
>
>Producing new candidates for the higher ranks at this rate, we simply
>cannot provide the three or four candidates for the highest three
>positions (one cenorship not needing filled in any given year, of
>course) that would give voters a real choice of new candidates. That
>being the case, I submit that plans to make the cursus honorum
>mandatory be shelved for at least two more years. It would be a great
>bottleneck on the free development of our democracy at this point in
>time.
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>Response: Marcus Apollonius, you are again wrong. Nova Roma is not a
>democracy. Nova Roma is a Republic fashioned on the Roman Republic.
>Please do further research before you commit more blunders and mislead the
>citizens of Nova Roma.
Pompeia*********Allow me to express things another way, to reflect my
thoughts, and to maintain Pax: Let us 'shelve' this very traditional Roman
Republican idea for about two years until Nova Roma grows enough in
population so that it will work effectively to provide a fair electoral
system, which is what it was designed to do. It simply would not work, in
my view, with our small population.*********
Pompeia*******C. Iulius, I have observed that you enjoy posting on our
political forums; your knowlege of the Nova Roma Constitution and Republican
traditions is quite indepth.....indeed your are a keenly "interested
observer". I am not sure that I would be able to maintain such a vested
interest in the politics of a micronation I did not belong to, but each to
his own. Could you post a brief introduction to the list and tell us about
yourself?*********
Reverentia,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Propraetrix 2754 AUC, Canada Orientalis
Nova Roma
>C. Iulius
>*An interested observer*
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