| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: List information |
| From: |
"pjane@-------- " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 02 Jan 2001 00:32:58 -0000 |
|
I thank you, Priscilla Vedia, for your kind words, and ask that all
other list members behave as well for her as they did for me, if not
better.
P. Cassia
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Curator Araneae requests photos and assistance |
| From: |
Ira Adams <iadams@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:33:41 -0600 |
|
Salve Marcus Octavius,
I have just spent a little time exploring the revisions to the Alba on
the NR Website and I must say I am really impressed. It looks great! I
will endeavor to come up with a photograph that's suitable, but I can't
seem to find my toga - too many moves over the years, I guess! Anyway,
now I need one with a stripe.
Vale,
L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
On 1/1/01 11:47 AM Marcus Octavius Germanicus (haase@--------) wrote:
>
>Salvete Quirites,
>
>The page on novaroma.org listing the present year's magistrates has
>been updated - or rather, completely replaced with a new version in
>a completely different format. This shows the newly-elected magistrates
>for the current year in order of seniority. Provincial officers and
>scribae are temporarily missing; I'll be working on separate areas
>for these next.
>
>As you can see, the layout of this page is designed to prominently
>feature photos of each magistrate. Thus, I call upon all newly-elected
>magistrates (and all other citizens) to email a photograph of yourself to
>webmaster@--------, which I would then crop to 150x150 and
>place upon your personal Album Civium page, and, where applicable, the
>Magistrates and Senate pages.
>
>Additionally, as Curator Araneae, I am now requesting applications
>for scribae to work on www.novaroma.org and other official sites.
>I am primarily a programmer myself, building database applications
>and maintaining the server. I seek persons knowledgeable in
>HTML and site maintenance, willing to take responsibility for
>a portion of the site or work on miscellaneous pages as requested.
>Additionally, we need graphic artists who could design icons,
>section headings, and banner images. Anyone interested, please
>mail webmaster@-------- and include URLs of your previous
>projects.
>
>Thanks and Valete, Octavius
>
>--
>M. Octavius Germanicus
>Propraetor, Lacus Magni
>Curator Araneae et Senator
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Happy New Year! |
| From: |
"pjane@-------- " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 02 Jan 2001 00:38:59 -0000 |
|
I had just been thinking of posting something reflecting on the Janus-
nature of this time, both in Nova Roma and in our ordinary lives, and
was pleased that Livia Cornelia said it so much better than I would
have. Thank you!
Patricia Cassia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Quaestorial Oath of Office |
| From: |
"pjane@-------- " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 02 Jan 2001 00:50:29 -0000 |
|
Before the Gods and Goddesses of Rome do I swear this oath:
I, Patricia Cassia (Patricia Bradford), do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Patricia Cassia (Patricia Bradford),
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings,
and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Patricia Cassia (Patricia Bradford), swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Patricia Cassia (Patricia Bradford), swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Patricia Cassia (Patricia Bradford), further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Quaestor to the best
of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Quaestor and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
Patricia Cassi
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Compliments |
| From: |
"Marcos Boehme" <m_arminius@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 01 Jan 2001 21:52:17 -0300 |
|
Salvete, omnes
In the behalf of Gens Arminia, i wish to compliment all the new elected magistrates for the year 2754 AUC.
So, i extend my congratulations to:
- The former magistrates. You have made a great work.
- The new senatores, L Sergius Australicus Obstinatus (the first of Oceania) and Caius Flavius Diocletianus (the second of Germania).
- The new Praetores Provincialis, M Octavius Germanicus, and the other one. :)
- The new legatii, Piscinus and Venator.
Salvete,
Marcus Arminius Maior
Provincia Brasilia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Aedilis Plebis - Edictum |
| From: |
"Marcos Boehme" <m_arminius@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 01 Jan 2001 21:55:46 -0300 |
|
Salvete, Omnes
Since the request of senatorial and censorial aprobation for my Senior colleague, Sextus Apollonius Draco, failed, it seems that i will be a Aedilis Plebis Sine Collega (by now, i hope), like the one last year, a new tradition in Nova Roma. :(
So, this is my first edictum as Aedilis Plebis:
-------------------------------------------------------------
EDICTUM AEDILIS PLEBIS
APPOINTMENT OF A SCRIBA
I, Marcus Arminius Maior, Aedilis Plebis of Nova Roma, hereby appoint Sextus Apollonius Draco as Aedilis Scriba, my personal assistant, to help me in a future Plebeian Page and other tasks.
Im confident that his energy and commitment will be very valuable to serve Nova Roma.
Marcus Arminius Maior
Aedilis Plebis, sine collega
-------------------------------------------------------------
Post Scriptum: Ah, perhaps a good soul can correct my possibile ortographical errors, both in English and Latin.
You know, even small errors sounds like a disaster to this
modest magistrate.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Oath of Office by Q. Fabius Maximus--a small point |
| From: |
bcatfd@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 02 Jan 2001 02:50:32 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, sfp55@a... wrote:
> I, Quintus Fabius Maximus I(Stephen Francis Phenow) do hereby
solemnly swear
> to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of
> the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
>
> As one of the Praetors Urbanii of Nova Roma, I, Quintus Fabius
Maximus swear
> to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and
to pursue
> the
> Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
Salve Quinte Fabi,
Our outgoing Tribune has rightly pointed out that those taking the
Oath of Office for magistrates must take it correctly by using their
legal as well as Roman name (which you did). Also, please, do not
customize it or leave anything out or you may call into question the
legality of the oath. You are not 'one of the Praetors Urbanii.' You
are a praetor. There is no position in Nova Roma called praetor
urbanus and has not been for over a year and a half. Take the oath
exactly as the law specifies and please do not make additions to
titles. The line above should read "As a magistrate of Nova Roma" and
the line below should read "responsibilities of the office of Praetor
to the best of my abilities."
Good luck in your new position. I know you will serve well.
Vale,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Senator, Consularis
> I, Quintus Fabius Maximus further swear to fulfill the obligations
and
> responsibilities of the office of Praetor Urbanus to the best of
my
> abilities.
>
> On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and
> Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the
> position of Consul and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
> responsibilities attendant thereto.
>
> Quintus Fabius Maximus
>
> And Bacchus (who is upon me.)
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Oaths of Office - a quibble and a question and a wide apology |
| From: |
bcatfd@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 02 Jan 2001 03:12:39 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, Fortunatus <labienus@t...> wrote:
> T Labienus omnibus s p d
>
> > Such oaths are supposed to include BOTH our legal macronational
names
> > and our Roman names (presumeably in order to be binding in both
> > jurisdictions):
> >
> > > Lex Iunia de Iusiurando
> >
> > > I, _enter legal and Roman name here_ .....
>
> Well, nothing we've done so far would make the Lex Iunia binding in
any
> jurisdiction other than Nova Roma. Also, nothing in the wording of
the
> lex actually says anything about macronations (indeed, there were no
> instructions included in the lex when it was presented to the
comitia!),
> and I did use my "legal and Roman name," as the name I used is the
legal
> name displayed in the Album Civium, and not some other handle I
might
> use in, say, the forum chat.
>
> I fully admit, by the way, that this is a deliberate
misinterpretation
> of the intent behind this portion of the law. Nova Roma claims to
be a
> sovreign nation, and ought to act that way whenever possible and
> reasonable.
Quite true. If it will make you feel better about the oath, there is
still a valid consular edict in effect with the exact wording that
you say is missing from the law as voted on. I quote:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
From: Decius Iunius Palladius <amcgrath@-------->
Date: Mon Sep 6, 1999 10:08pm
Subject: EDICT: Oath of Office
Salvete Cives Novae Romae!
I, Decius Iunius Palladius, Consul of Nova Roma hereby issue the
following
edict, binding on all citizens who assume *any* magistracy of Nova
Roma,
whether elected or appointed, from the date of this edict onward.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
The following oath must be taken publicly (defined as in the public
forums
of Nova Roma--the forum board or the list) before someone elected or
appointed to any magistracy can assume his or her office.
I, __enter legal and Roman name here____________do hereby solemnly
swear
to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests
of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, _______________________ swear to
honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, ___________ swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the
State
Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would
threaten
its status as the State Religion.
I, _____________________swear to protect and defend the Constitution
of
Nova Roma.
I, _____________________further swear to fulfill the obligations
and responsibilities of the office of ______________to the best of my
abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of_____________and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
Effective this day, September 7, 1999 CE, A.D. VII Id. Sept. MMDCCLII
A.U.C.
In Service to Rome,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Consul of Nova Roma
-------------------------------------------------------------------
> That said, I am appending an altered version of my oath to the
bottom of
> this message in order to head off a long and pointless argument.
Thank you though it was a moot point anyway. :)
Vale,
Decius Iunius Palladius
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Oath of Office by Q. Fabius Maximus--a small point |
| From: |
"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 02 Jan 2001 04:39:19 -0000 |
|
Salve:
I am afraid that I stated "Propraetrix of Canada Orientalis" in my oath, as
opposed to "a magistrate of Nova Roma". Should I redo my oath?
Vale,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
>From: bcatfd@--------
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Re: Oath of Office by Q. Fabius Maximus--a small point
>Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 02:50:32 -0000
>
>--- In novaroma@--------, sfp55@a... wrote:
> > I, Quintus Fabius Maximus I(Stephen Francis Phenow) do hereby
>solemnly swear
> > to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
>interests of
> > the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
> >
> > As one of the Praetors Urbanii of Nova Roma, I, Quintus Fabius
>Maximus swear
> > to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and
>to pursue
> > the
> > Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
>
>Salve Quinte Fabi,
>
>Our outgoing Tribune has rightly pointed out that those taking the
>Oath of Office for magistrates must take it correctly by using their
>legal as well as Roman name (which you did). Also, please, do not
>customize it or leave anything out or you may call into question the
>legality of the oath. You are not 'one of the Praetors Urbanii.' You
>are a praetor. There is no position in Nova Roma called praetor
>urbanus and has not been for over a year and a half. Take the oath
>exactly as the law specifies and please do not make additions to
>titles. The line above should read "As a magistrate of Nova Roma" and
>the line below should read "responsibilities of the office of Praetor
>to the best of my abilities."
>
>Good luck in your new position. I know you will serve well.
>
>Vale,
>
>Decius Iunius Palladius,
>Senator, Consularis
>
>
>
> > I, Quintus Fabius Maximus further swear to fulfill the obligations
>and
> > responsibilities of the office of Praetor Urbanus to the best of
>my
> > abilities.
> >
> > On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
>Gods and
> > Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
>accept the
> > position of Consul and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
> > responsibilities attendant thereto.
> >
> > Quintus Fabius Maximus
> >
> > And Bacchus (who is upon me.)
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Oath of Office by C. Flavius Diocletianus |
| From: |
"Caius Flavius Diocletianus" <3s@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 2 Jan 2001 08:16:39 +0100 |
|
I, Caius Flavius Diocletianus (Matthias Stappert) do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of
the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Caius Flavius Diocletianus (Matthias Stappert),
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Caius Flavius Diocletianus (Matthias Stappert) swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in
a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Caius Flavius Diocletianus (Matthias Stappert) swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Caius Flavius Diocletianus (Matthias Stappert) further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Praetor to the best of my
abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Praetor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
| Subject: |
Hmm (was [novaroma] Senate results: votes and comments) |
| From: |
"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:51:56 +0100 |
|
Salvete Quirites Novae Romae,
First, allow me to congratulate M Scribonius Curio Britannicus on his
approval by the Senate to assume the office of Rogator. Also, my
congratulations for the new Propraetor of Brasilia, M Arminius Maior.
The second issue I want to address in this posting concerns myself. Too bad
I did not get the necessary 2/3 majority vote from the Senate to assume the
office of Aedilis Plebis. It's not the news one would want to get on new
year, certainly when it was not all too expected (given the fact that the
vote in the Senate shows a significant difference from that in the Comitia,
qua results), but I can cope with that. As I promised before, no complaints
or hard feelings because of this.
But what did strike me with both amazement and disbelief were the following
comments on me from four Senatores (in order of importance):
> F. Vedius Germanicus: Negat. On the main email list, he
> has consistently shown a level of
> immaturity that demonstrates why
> we have such an age requirement.
> Energy and enthusiasm does not
> equal maturity and readiness for office.
Could you clarify that statement for me? The last part I understand, and
could even agree with. But even though I may be not an objective judge over
myself and my behaviour, I don't really agree with your first comment,
especially the "consistently" part. Do you know me really well? It seems
not.
> D. Iunius Palladius: Palladius votes No. He is far below the age
> limit and never approached the senate or
> censors to ask for a waiver even though he
> was aware of the law. He did not start on
> a good foot so to speak.
This is either a deliberate lie, or you don't have your facts straight. I
*did* contact the Senate, on December 1 2000, with an email that was
addressed to Censor Sulla, Consul Audens, the Senate and Gaius Bruttus
Sentius Sura. You can check it if you want to. And the law, which you wrote,
does not state the Senate needs to be contacted first. You may be the author
of the law, but it's not your interpretation that's the only valid one.
> L. Cornelius Sulla: Negat Comment: Political disagreements
> I can handle. I believe I show that I can.
> However, one, no matter how young or old,
> insults a senior in the magisterial hierarchy.
> For one to do that shows disrespect to
> every political office in Nova Roma. This
> means that not only is he insulting my
> dignitas but he is insulting the dignitas of
> the Consuls, Praetors and Senators.
> Q. Fabius Maximus: NEGAT He has much to still learn about
> respecting the offices of the Magistrates.
> He can dislike the people who are in them,
> but he should respect the office itself.
These comments are ludicrous. Once more, some people who should be
considered as honourable men of Nova Roma are going ad hominem. Please be so
kind to answer the following questions, and ask them to yourself too, Censor
Sulla: Have I ever gotten a Senatorial Reprimand? Have I ever used abusive
language to a fellow citizen in Nova Roma? Have I ever told lies? Have I
ever tried to bypass laws or rules? No. And you have.
Also, if you are so concerned with "dignitas", which I could only applaud,
why don't you join the Amici Dignitatis? And if you think my posting named
"Truth" during the election campaign was an insult, then you're wrong,
because it was what its title says: **truth**. Instead of judging my
capacities for office, you judge my personality because you dislike the
Apollonii. I have never shown disrespect for your work as a Censor, nor have
I ever showed disrespect for any other office. Our discussion was concerning
my paterfamilias, whom you had insulted *yourself*, and *not* about the
office you held. Your comments are a blatant lie, and I demand a serious
apology for that slander.
On to our new Praetor Maximus then. It seems almost like a smaller copy of
Sulla's comments. Can you prove that highly unusual claim? I don't think you
know me well, Maxime. And talking about respect.... Who was it who said that
Formosanus would have been your *slave* in Roma Antiqua? Is that your form
of respect?
This is abuse of power.
Valete, boni Quirites!
Sextus Apollonius Draco, civis Novae Romae
Legatus Galliae Borealis,
Procurator Galliae,
Vainqueur, ICQ# 32924725
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Edictum Propraetoris Lacuum Magnorum |
| From: |
"Caius Flavius Diocletianus" <3s@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:38:05 +0100 |
|
Caius Flavius Diocletianus Quiritibus S.P.D.
My congratulations to the newly appointed officials of the Lacus Magni
Provincia:
Legatus Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator,
Legatus Gnaeus Moravius Piscinus.
Best wishes! May the gods of Rome smile upon you.
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Praetor, Senator
Legatus Germaniae
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Octavius Germanicus" <haase@-------->
To: "GreatLakesNovaRoma" <GreatLakesNovaRoma@-------->; "Nova Roma"
<novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 11:10 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Edictum Propraetoris Lacuum Magnorum
>
> EX DOMO PROPRAETORIS PROVINCIAE LACUUM MAGNORUM
>
> EDICTUM PROPRAETORIS
>
> On this day, the Kalends of Ianuarius MMDCCLIV, I,
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus, accept the Senate's appointment
> to the Propraetorship of the Provincia Lacus Magni,
> and issue this edict.
>
> I. The Provincial web site shall be:
> http://romanrepublic.org/lacusmagni/
> On it shall be placed all provincial edicts and contact
> information for magistrates.
>
> II. The province is hereby divided into two regions:
>
> The region of Lacus Magni Occidentalis shall be comprised
> of the states of Illinois, Wisconsin, and Indiana.
>
> The region of Lacus Magni Orientalis shall be comprised
> of the states of Michigan, Ohio, West Virginia, and Kentucky.
>
> III. Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator, resident of Illinois, is appointed
> Legate for Lacus Magni Occidentalis. He is asked to serve as a
> local contact for citizens in that Region, to preside at local
> events, and to perform administrative tasks for the province
> as a whole.
>
> IV. Gnaeus Moravius Piscinus, resident of Ohio, is appointed
> Legate for Lacus Magni Orientalis. He is asked to serve as a
> local contact for citizens in that Region, to preside at local
> events, and to perform administrative tasks for the province
> as a whole.
>
> V. The mailing list GreatLakesNovaRoma@--------, established
> by the former propraetor, is to be considered the official
> and preferred channel for provincial communications. All
> provincial Legates shall have moderator powers.
>
> Signed,
> M. Octavius Germanicus, Propraetor.
> Kal. Jan. MMDCCLIV
>
> --
> M. Octavius Germanicus
> Propraetor, Lacus Magni
> Curator Araneae et Senator
>
>
>
>
>
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Curator Araneae requests photos and assistance |
| From: |
"Caius Flavius Diocletianus" <3s@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:57:39 +0100 |
|
Salvete Citizens,
Salve, Marce Octavi.
I also reviewed the Alba on our Website and was deeply impressed. Best work,
Marce Octavi!
Please, citizens, assist our Curator Aranae in his work by providing photos.
The photos improve our Website, and they improve the feeling of unity in our
Res Publica. It´s better to see a photo together with a name.
To all citizens with html-knowledge: Please raise your hands and volunteer
for service as Scriba to the Curator Aranae. Our website is our "capital"
and we should make it as best as we can. Here is a chance to bring in your
ideas and skills.
Thank you very much, Marce Octavi, for the new Alba.
Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Praetor, Senator
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] 2nd Oath... |
| From: |
cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 2 Jan 2001 08:44:50 EST |
|
Salvete,
I certainly can see how the "quibble" over the magisterial oaths has arisen,
as the current oath text does include space for both macronational and Roman
name. Yet I'm not all that certain that the magisterial oath *should* be
worded in this way. The oath is a part of our own internal process where
Roman names are considered complete and binding. The use of one's
macronational name would certainly be required on all papers filed with any
macronational government - but I can't shake the feeling that by doing this
we're tacitly agreeing that for internal purposes our Roman names aren't
"real" and binding within our own sovereign nation.
However, to avoid immediate problems with the law as written, I hereby give
this second official oath with my macronational name included:
I, William Bradford/ Marcus Cassius Julianus do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of
the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, William Bradford/ Marcus Cassius Julianus
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, William Bradford / Marcus Cassius Julianus swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in
a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, William Bradford / Marcus Cassius Julianus swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, William Bradford / Marcus Cassius Julianus further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Consul to the best of my
abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Consul and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.
Valete,
William Bradford/Marcus Cassius Julianus
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|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Oaths of Office - more quibbling |
| From: |
labienus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:05:31 US/Central |
|
T Labienus Decio Iunio omnibusque s p d
> Quite true. If it will make you feel better about the oath, there is
> still a valid consular edict in effect with the exact wording that
> you say is missing from the law as voted on. I quote:
I am entirely aware of this. This does not solve the fact that someone took it
upon him or her self to change the text of a lex after it was voted upon by one
of the trina comitia. It also does not address my main point, which is that I
consider my Roman name and my so-called legal name to be equally valid, and
that requiring both is an (admittedly small) infringement upon Nova Roma's
sovreignty.
> I, Decius Iunius Palladius, Consul of Nova Roma hereby issue the following
> edict, binding on all citizens who assume *any* magistracy of Nova Roma,
> whether elected or appointed, from the date of this edict onward.
Please note that this text is quite different from the text which was added to
the Lex Iunia. The lex's altered text, which states, "All magistrates,
Propraetors, Senators, etc. are required to take the following oath in a public
forum (ie onelist or Nova Roma's message board) before they can assume office,"
requires *everyone* holding any office whatsoever to take the oath, while the
edictum only calls for magistrates to take it. Therefore, the incorrectly
added wording of the lex calls into question the service of many Senatores,
propraetores, scribae, accensi, et cetera who have not taken or did not take
the oath.
> > That said, I am appending an altered version of my oath to the
> > bottom of this message in order to head off a long and pointless
> > argument.
>
> Thank you though it was a moot point anyway. :)
I'm not sure what you mean here. The word 'moot' means 'arguable'.
Valete
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Secundus Sacramentum offici Censori |
| From: |
"Lucius Equitius" <vze23hw7@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:37:49 -0500 |
|
I, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus (Michael J Cope) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus (Michael J Cope) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus (Michael J Cope) swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
State Religion.
I, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus (Michael J Cope) swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus (Michael J Cope) further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Censor to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Censor and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Secundus Iusiurandum Tribuni Plebis |
| From: |
Gian G Reali <piscinus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:01:10 -0800 |
|
> Cn. Moravius Piscinus Senatoribus Quiritibusque SPD:
>
> Pro Di immortales:
>
> I, Gneaus Moravius Piscinus, otherwise kinown as Monreale Gian Angelo
Giuseppi Antonio Garibaldi degli Federico Orazia Luciano, hereby solemnly
swear to
> uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
> interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
>
> As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gneaus Moravius Piscinus, otherwise
kinown as Monreale Gian Angelo Giuseppi Antonio Garibaldi degli Federico
Orazia Luciano,
> swear to honor
> the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue
> the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
>
> I, Gneaus Moravius Piscinus, otherwise kinown as Monreale Gian Angelo
Giuseppi Antonio Garibaldi degli Federico Orazia Luciano, swear to
uphold and defend
> the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear
> never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State
> Religion.
>
> I, Gneaus Moravius Piscinus, otherwise kinown as Monreale Gian Angelo
Giuseppi Antonio Garibaldi degli Federico Orazia Luciano, swear to
protect and defend
> the Constitution of Nova Roma.
>
> I, Gneaus Moravius Piscinus, otherwise kinown as Monreale Gian Angelo
Giuseppi Antonio Garibaldi degli Federico Orazia Luciano, do further
swear to fulfill the
> obligations and
> responsibilities of the office of Tribunus Plebis to the best of my
> abilities.
>
> On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence
> of the Gods and
> Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
> accept the position of Tribunus Plebis and all the rights,
> privileges, obligations and responsibilities attendant thereto.
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] The Senate Vote on Draco |
| From: |
"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:28:50 +0100 |
|
M. Apollonius Formosanus omnibus Quiriibus S.P.D.
Censor L. Cornelius Sulla Felix made the following unfortunate
statement about my filius Sextus Apollonius Draco in a comment to his
senate vote on giving the latter an age waiver:
L. Cornelius Sulla: Negat Comment: Political disagreements I can
handle. I believe I show that I can. However, one, no matter how
young or old, insults a senior in the magisterial hierarchy. For one
to do that shows disrespect to every political office in Nova Roma.
This means that not only is he insulting my dignitas but he is
insulting the dignitas of the Consuls, Praetors and Senators.
_______
If a person makes a moral judgement on someone (whether insulting or
laudatory), it should not matter where the judged stands in any
hierarchy. A magistrate or senator should so act as to add dignitas
to the position, not expect to take his dignitas from that position.
Further, from a logical point of view, insulting one or more
individuals is NOT the same as insulting a whole class. I know that
Sextus holds a great deal of respect for many persons who happen to
be senators or magistrates - and I do no think that they feel
insulted by him.
It should also be considered that in many cases Sextus was reacting
to what he perceived as insults or untruths from the said censor,
whether directed at me, himself or others. A magistracy should not be
used as a shield from behind which to take potshots at cives with a
supposition of immunity from their response.
I thought the above deserved special comment, as it shows the kind
of mindset we must not have if we want Nova Roma to be a success and
and a pleasant place to live.
As his paterfamilias, however, I must also take exception to the
comments of Consul F. Vedius Germanicus on the same occasion, in
which he accused Sextus of "immaturity". In the heat of the elections
various candidates and others said things quite immature indeed, and
I do not think my filius does not stand out in that respect. A better
judgement of his maturity might be gotten from what he has managed to
accomplish, in Gallia for example, where his enthusiasm and
organising abiliy got a whole province off the ground. I have
personally found him to be extraordinarily mature and capable.
I thank the majority voting in the senate who correctly assessed my
gentilis and showed respect for the will of the People in electing
him - or at least trying to. Gratias!
Valete!
Marcus Apollonius Formosanus
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae (http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/)
Moderator et Praeceptor Sodalitatis Latinitatis; Scriba Censorius
ICQ# 61698049 AIM: MAFormosanus MSN: Formosanus
Civis Novae Romae in Silesia, Polonia
The Gens Apollonia is open to new members.
Ave nostra Respublica Libera - Nova Roma!
________________________________________
Si vis omnia tibi subicere, te subice Rationi. (Seneca)
(Se vi deziras subigi al vi chion, subigu vin al Racio)
________________________________________
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Wide Apology |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" <n_moravius@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 02 Jan 2001 18:18:53 |
|
Nicolaus Moravius Lucio Sergio salutem
It is written: "As a bird is known by its song, so is a man by his
conversation."
I am glad that you express regret for intemperate words this past year. For
my part, I regret them too. Here is my virtual hand. Sit pax inter nos.
When you take your seat in the Senate, to which all your imminent colleagues
who voted have welcomed you (except me), may the heated cushion of patientia
protect you from the pain in the podex otherwise afforded by the cold hard
marble bench of collegial severitas.
And may the discourse in the Senate this year be as a garden of
nightingales.
Vale,
Vado.
>Wide apology:
>In perusing my archives for information on the above matters, I found
>myself reading angry, hostile, aggressive posts, public and private, some
>of which turned out to have been authored by people for whom I have great
>respect and affection, and some of which were directed at those same
>people by none other than me! (As in "My God! He said that to me?? And I
>said that to him??")
>
>I am struck by how much progress many of us have made over the past year,
>in learning to work together without letting our passions and paranoia
>and egoistic needs interfere with our duties and our common bonds.
>
>I would hope that our incoming new magistrates will be wiser and more
>temperate in their opinions and actions than I, at least, was a year ago.
>
>I stand here and now to apologize to any and all against whom I may have
>directed angry, intemperate words in learning to carry out my duties as i
>have seen them over the past year. If my words were not directed toward
>you but you felt offended by them, then I apologize to you also.
>
>I am thankful we have sparred with words and not with swords!
>
>Valete,
>
>L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
>ex-Tribune of Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Secundus Sacramentum offici Praetorii |
| From: |
sfp55@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:21:21 EST |
|
Salvete,
As I badly garbled my Oath, (I blame Bacchus) here is the second attempt.
I, Quintus Fabius Maximus (Stephen F. Phenow) do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the
people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quintus Fabius Maximus (Stephen F. Phenow)
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Quintus Fabius Maximus (Stephen F. Phenow) swear to uphold and defend
the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act
in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Quintus Fabius Maximus (Stephen F. Phenow) swear to protect and defend
the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Quintus Fabius Maximus (Stephen F. Phenow) further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Praetor (Urbanus) to the
best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Censor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.
Quintus Fabius Maximus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Senate Vote on Draco |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:49:06 -0600 (CST) |
|
Salvete Quirites,
I will now do something unexpected and state that I completely
agree with Marcus Apollonius.
Almost all of us here insulted our enemies continuously through the
campaign season, but only Sextus Apollonius is suffering for it.
Valete, Octavius.
> M. Apollonius Formosanus omnibus Quiriibus S.P.D.
>
> Censor L. Cornelius Sulla Felix made the following unfortunate
> statement about my filius Sextus Apollonius Draco in a comment to his
> senate vote on giving the latter an age waiver:
>
> L. Cornelius Sulla: Negat Comment: Political disagreements I can
> handle. I believe I show that I can. However, one, no matter how
> young or old, insults a senior in the magisterial hierarchy. For one
> to do that shows disrespect to every political office in Nova Roma.
> This means that not only is he insulting my dignitas but he is
> insulting the dignitas of the Consuls, Praetors and Senators.
> _______
>
> If a person makes a moral judgement on someone (whether insulting or
> laudatory), it should not matter where the judged stands in any
> hierarchy. A magistrate or senator should so act as to add dignitas
> to the position, not expect to take his dignitas from that position.
>
> Further, from a logical point of view, insulting one or more
> individuals is NOT the same as insulting a whole class. I know that
> Sextus holds a great deal of respect for many persons who happen to
> be senators or magistrates - and I do no think that they feel
> insulted by him.
>
> It should also be considered that in many cases Sextus was reacting
> to what he perceived as insults or untruths from the said censor,
> whether directed at me, himself or others. A magistracy should not be
> used as a shield from behind which to take potshots at cives with a
> supposition of immunity from their response.
>
> I thought the above deserved special comment, as it shows the kind
> of mindset we must not have if we want Nova Roma to be a success and
> and a pleasant place to live.
>
> As his paterfamilias, however, I must also take exception to the
> comments of Consul F. Vedius Germanicus on the same occasion, in
> which he accused Sextus of "immaturity". In the heat of the elections
> various candidates and others said things quite immature indeed, and
> I do not think my filius does not stand out in that respect. A better
> judgement of his maturity might be gotten from what he has managed to
> accomplish, in Gallia for example, where his enthusiasm and
> organising abiliy got a whole province off the ground. I have
> personally found him to be extraordinarily mature and capable.
>
> I thank the majority voting in the senate who correctly assessed my
> gentilis and showed respect for the will of the People in electing
> him - or at least trying to. Gratias!
>
> Valete!
>
>
>
> Marcus Apollonius Formosanus
> Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae (http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/)
> Moderator et Praeceptor Sodalitatis Latinitatis; Scriba Censorius
> ICQ# 61698049 AIM: MAFormosanus MSN: Formosanus
> Civis Novae Romae in Silesia, Polonia
> The Gens Apollonia is open to new members.
> Ave nostra Respublica Libera - Nova Roma!
> ________________________________________
> Si vis omnia tibi subicere, te subice Rationi. (Seneca)
> (Se vi deziras subigi al vi chion, subigu vin al Racio)
> ________________________________________
>
>
>
>
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneae et Senator
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Secundus Sacramentum offici Praetorii Reprise |
| From: |
sfp55@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:38:08 EST |
|
Salvete,
As I messed up again, here is the third attempt....
(It's been a busy day setting up here in Las Vegas...)
I, Quintus Fabius Maximus (Stephen F. Phenow) do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the
people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quintus Fabius Maximus (Stephen F. Phenow)
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Quintus Fabius Maximus (Stephen F. Phenow) swear to uphold and defend
the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act
in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Quintus Fabius Maximus (Stephen F. Phenow) swear to protect and defend
the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Quintus Fabius Maximus (Stephen F. Phenow) further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Praetor (Urbanus) to the
best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Praetor (Urbanus) and all the rights, privileges, obligations,
and
responsibilities attendant thereto.
Quintus Fabius Maximus
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Oath of Office (Secunda) |
| From: |
"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 02 Jan 2001 19:47:22 -0000 |
|
>From: "Susan Brett" <trog99@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: Canada_Orientalis_NR@--------, NovaRoma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Oath of Office
>Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 14:01:56 -0500
>
>Salvete Nova Romani:
>
>I, Pompeia Cornelia Strabo (Susan Brett), do hereby swear to uphold the
>honour of Nova Roma and to act always in the bests interests of the People
>and the Senate of Nova Roma.
>
>As a Magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Pompeia Cornelia Strabo (Susan Brett),
>swear to
>honour the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings and to pursue
>the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
>
>I, Pompeia Cornelia Strabo (Susan Brett), swear to uphold and defend the
>Religio Romana as
>the State Religion of Nova Roma, and swear never to act in a way that would
>threaten its status as the State Religion.
>
>I Pompeia Cornelia Strabo (Susan Brett), swear to protect and defend the
>Constitution of
>Nova Roma.
>
>I, Pompeia Cornelia Strabo (Susan Brett), futher swear to fulfill the
>rights and
>responsibilities of the office of Propraetrix Canada Orientalis to the best
>of my abilities.
>
>On my honour as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
>Goddesses of the Roman People, and by their will and favour, do I accept
>the
>position of Propraetrix Canada Orientalis, and all the rights, privileges,
>obligations and responsibilities attendant hereto.
> ******end of oath of office*****
>Mater Cornelia Gracchi, Flora Maxima Roma et Gens Cornelia, Ave!
>May I be ever mindful of your lifelong example of Roman Virtue......
>_________________________________________________________________________
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>
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|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Senate Vote on Draco |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?B?WWFubiBRdely6Q==?= <yquere@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:54:15 +0100 |
|
I. Querius Armoricus Lutecio omnibus Quiriibus S.P.D.
I definitely agree with M. Apollonius Formosanus.
I really do think Sextus Apollonius Draco is not immature at all. I just may
had been more prudent facing the traps his detractors placed before him, and
his only mistake was to react with passion to all that was said about him.
But after all, how can NR advance without passion ? If his only mistake was
to show a passion in what he wants to be involved in, I can not imagine one
can blame him for it.
Experience is indeed a long path, but I noticed that some people who took
part in the last political campaign, didn't show much of maturity nor
rhetorics experience in spite of their age. I don't think I know any person
having gained experience without having committed mistakes...
Despite I deeply agree with the principle of cursus honorum, I think this
principle should consider exceptions. And I do believe Sextus Apollonius
Draco is an exceptionnal element for Nova Roma. His constant involvement is
priceless.
As far as respect to magistrates is concerned, Sextus Apollonius is the one
who gave impulsion for the creation of Provincia Gallia. I took part in and
was nominated Propraetor, but he is the one who initialized the process :
meanwhile he never got bitter about that and never showed lack of respect to
me about that fact.
I, for the first time, am really disappointed with the Senate decision. I
accept it but would like to testify all my respect for Sextus Apollonius
Draco.
Valete Bene
I. Querius Armoricus Lutecio
Propraetor Galliae
----- Original Message -----
From: M. Apollonius Formosanus <bvm3@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:28 PM
Subject: [novaroma] The Senate Vote on Draco
M. Apollonius Formosanus omnibus Quiriibus S.P.D.
Censor L. Cornelius Sulla Felix made the following unfortunate
statement about my filius Sextus Apollonius Draco in a comment to his
senate vote on giving the latter an age waiver:
L. Cornelius Sulla: Negat Comment: Political disagreements I can
handle. I believe I show that I can. However, one, no matter how
young or old, insults a senior in the magisterial hierarchy. For one
to do that shows disrespect to every political office in Nova Roma.
This means that not only is he insulting my dignitas but he is
insulting the dignitas of the Consuls, Praetors and Senators.
_______
If a person makes a moral judgement on someone (whether insulting or
laudatory), it should not matter where the judged stands in any
hierarchy. A magistrate or senator should so act as to add dignitas
to the position, not expect to take his dignitas from that position.
Further, from a logical point of view, insulting one or more
individuals is NOT the same as insulting a whole class. I know that
Sextus holds a great deal of respect for many persons who happen to
be senators or magistrates - and I do no think that they feel
insulted by him.
It should also be considered that in many cases Sextus was reacting
to what he perceived as insults or untruths from the said censor,
whether directed at me, himself or others. A magistracy should not be
used as a shield from behind which to take potshots at cives with a
supposition of immunity from their response.
I thought the above deserved special comment, as it shows the kind
of mindset we must not have if we want Nova Roma to be a success and
and a pleasant place to live.
As his paterfamilias, however, I must also take exception to the
comments of Consul F. Vedius Germanicus on the same occasion, in
which he accused Sextus of "immaturity". In the heat of the elections
various candidates and others said things quite immature indeed, and
I do not think my filius does not stand out in that respect. A better
judgement of his maturity might be gotten from what he has managed to
accomplish, in Gallia for example, where his enthusiasm and
organising abiliy got a whole province off the ground. I have
personally found him to be extraordinarily mature and capable.
I thank the majority voting in the senate who correctly assessed my
gentilis and showed respect for the will of the People in electing
him - or at least trying to. Gratias!
Valete!
Marcus Apollonius Formosanus
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae (http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/)
Moderator et Praeceptor Sodalitatis Latinitatis; Scriba Censorius
ICQ# 61698049 AIM: MAFormosanus MSN: Formosanus
Civis Novae Romae in Silesia, Polonia
The Gens Apollonia is open to new members.
Ave nostra Respublica Libera - Nova Roma!
________________________________________
Si vis omnia tibi subicere, te subice Rationi. (Seneca)
(Se vi deziras subigi al vi chion, subigu vin al Racio)
________________________________________
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] From the Senior Consul |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:00:20 -0500 |
|
Salvete, Omnes;
At this, the outset of my tenure as Senior Consul, I would first like to
thank both of our outgoing Consuls and other magistrates for their fine work
on behalf of our fair Republic, and offer my hopes that they will continue
to serve Her in the future.
Our Republic has grown beyond my wildest dreams when Marcus Cassius Julanius
and I first brought in a few friends and our (then-)girlfriends into the
then-untested concept of a "reconstructionist Roman pagan micronation."
Every time I see the population listing on the main page of the website, or
see the lively debates that characterize this main email list, I am filled
with the knowledge that Nova Roma is _working_, and growing every day not
only in sheer numbers (which means little in and of itself) but also in
talent, knowledge, dedication, and activity.
Our recent elections showed indeed that the political system in place can
work, but it also showed that there are some parts that need polish. In the
upcoming weeks, in consultation with not only my Consular colleague, but
also members of the Senate, other Magistrates, and ordinary Citizens, you
will see specific proposals to shore up these potential weaknesses. As I
stated during the campaign, it is my intention to make the Comitiae the
primary vehicle through which specific pieces of legislation are passed,
leaving the Senate to conduct its necessary business without having to stand
in for the Comitiae.
I, and my Consular colleague, also have two priorities at the top of our
agendas. Bringing true stability and accountability to the Senate's
financial dealings, and putting into place a system of civil law to be
administered by the appropriate magistrates on behalf of the People. Once
again, look for specific action on both of these issues very soon, not
unilaterally, but in conjunction with various other people.
Aside from these immediate short-term goals, I intend for the overall theme
of my tenure as Consul to be "community". Not only by opening myself up to
the ideas, concerns, and complaints of every Citizen through electronic
contact; but also by helping to foster the growth of real-world meetings of
Nova Romans, both nationally and at the local level. I've been having some
conversations with many of you in the Taverna on this very subject, and hope
to have a few "seed proposals" to throw out for discussion here very soon.
In closing, may I once again say how proud I am of the progress that we have
made thusfar in our short history, and I only hope I can help Nova Roma
achieve even greater heights during my term as Consul. I look forward to
working with you all; Magistrates, Senators, and ordinary Citizens alike.
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Senate Vote on Draco |
| From: |
Craig Stevenson <dougies@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:53:40 +1030 |
|
Ave qurites et pater conscripti,
I know that my posts on this list are often infrequent, but this I felt strongly
about. I have found nowhere in my dealings with Sextus Apollonius that he has
been immature, and his loyalty to his pater show by his defending his character
is indeed promising for the future, if he serves Nova Roma with the same kind of
dilligent loyalty and steadfast dedication. Sextus Apollonius has done nothing
to warrant such disapproval, nor can I see the attitude intended towards him for
any other reason than he is an Apollonii. I think he would have made a brilliant
aedile, as will all of our current magistrates fill their offices brilliantly, I
should hope.
No insult is intended by this. Any insult was unintentional, and not meant.
Valete bene,
Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura
Yann Quéré wrote:
> I. Querius Armoricus Lutecio omnibus Quiriibus S.P.D.
>
> I definitely agree with M. Apollonius Formosanus.
>
> I really do think Sextus Apollonius Draco is not immature at all. I just may
> had been more prudent facing the traps his detractors placed before him, and
> his only mistake was to react with passion to all that was said about him.
> But after all, how can NR advance without passion ? If his only mistake was
> to show a passion in what he wants to be involved in, I can not imagine one
> can blame him for it.
>
> Experience is indeed a long path, but I noticed that some people who took
> part in the last political campaign, didn't show much of maturity nor
> rhetorics experience in spite of their age. I don't think I know any person
> having gained experience without having committed mistakes...
>
> Despite I deeply agree with the principle of cursus honorum, I think this
> principle should consider exceptions. And I do believe Sextus Apollonius
> Draco is an exceptionnal element for Nova Roma. His constant involvement is
> priceless.
>
> As far as respect to magistrates is concerned, Sextus Apollonius is the one
> who gave impulsion for the creation of Provincia Gallia. I took part in and
> was nominated Propraetor, but he is the one who initialized the process :
> meanwhile he never got bitter about that and never showed lack of respect to
> me about that fact.
>
> I, for the first time, am really disappointed with the Senate decision. I
> accept it but would like to testify all my respect for Sextus Apollonius
> Draco.
>
> Valete Bene
> I. Querius Armoricus Lutecio
> Propraetor Galliae
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: M. Apollonius Formosanus <bvm3@-------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:28 PM
> Subject: [novaroma] The Senate Vote on Draco
>
> M. Apollonius Formosanus omnibus Quiriibus S.P.D.
>
> Censor L. Cornelius Sulla Felix made the following unfortunate
> statement about my filius Sextus Apollonius Draco in a comment to his
> senate vote on giving the latter an age waiver:
>
> L. Cornelius Sulla: Negat Comment: Political disagreements I can
> handle. I believe I show that I can. However, one, no matter how
> young or old, insults a senior in the magisterial hierarchy. For one
> to do that shows disrespect to every political office in Nova Roma.
> This means that not only is he insulting my dignitas but he is
> insulting the dignitas of the Consuls, Praetors and Senators.
> _______
>
> If a person makes a moral judgement on someone (whether insulting or
> laudatory), it should not matter where the judged stands in any
> hierarchy. A magistrate or senator should so act as to add dignitas
> to the position, not expect to take his dignitas from that position.
>
> Further, from a logical point of view, insulting one or more
> individuals is NOT the same as insulting a whole class. I know that
> Sextus holds a great deal of respect for many persons who happen to
> be senators or magistrates - and I do no think that they feel
> insulted by him.
>
> It should also be considered that in many cases Sextus was reacting
> to what he perceived as insults or untruths from the said censor,
> whether directed at me, himself or others. A magistracy should not be
> used as a shield from behind which to take potshots at cives with a
> supposition of immunity from their response.
>
> I thought the above deserved special comment, as it shows the kind
> of mindset we must not have if we want Nova Roma to be a success and
> and a pleasant place to live.
>
> As his paterfamilias, however, I must also take exception to the
> comments of Consul F. Vedius Germanicus on the same occasion, in
> which he accused Sextus of "immaturity". In the heat of the elections
> various candidates and others said things quite immature indeed, and
> I do not think my filius does not stand out in that respect. A better
> judgement of his maturity might be gotten from what he has managed to
> accomplish, in Gallia for example, where his enthusiasm and
> organising abiliy got a whole province off the ground. I have
> personally found him to be extraordinarily mature and capable.
>
> I thank the majority voting in the senate who correctly assessed my
> gentilis and showed respect for the will of the People in electing
> him - or at least trying to. Gratias!
>
> Valete!
>
> Marcus Apollonius Formosanus
> Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae (http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/)
> Moderator et Praeceptor Sodalitatis Latinitatis; Scriba Censorius
> ICQ# 61698049 AIM: MAFormosanus MSN: Formosanus
> Civis Novae Romae in Silesia, Polonia
> The Gens Apollonia is open to new members.
> Ave nostra Respublica Libera - Nova Roma!
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