Subject:	[novaroma] Death in the Family
From:	"metistwo" <metistwo@-------->
Date:	Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:36:20 -0600

3 Jan 0001

Salve All

I would just like to inform everyone that I will be late in returning to my home base of Winnipeg due to an unexpected death in my family. I must now perform one of our peoples grimmer duties, and see to the burying of one more of my clan. As I am Metis, it is our tradition to take care of our dead, so tonight we are starting a fire on the grave site in order to melt the three feet of frozen ground we to break through. This is hard work but helps us to deal with our loss. I have asked my brother, who is still in Winnipeg to email me my work I have prepared concerning the Provincia of Canada Occidentalis. Therefore I will post some of my Edictas from this location. If anyone would like to contact me I will be at this email location until after the funeral on Saturday.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius
Praetor
Canada Occidentalis


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Subject:	[novaroma] Death in the Family
From:	"metistwo" <metistwo@-------->
Date:	Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:20:38 -0600

3 Jan 0001

Salve All

I would just like to inform everyone that I will be late in returning to my
home base of Winnipeg due to an unexpected death in my family. I must now
perform one of our peoples grimmer duties, and see to the burying of one
more of my clan. As I am Metis, it is our tradition to take care of our
dead, so tonight we are starting a fire on the grave site in order to melt
the three feet of frozen ground we to break through. This is hard work but
helps us to deal with our loss. I have asked my brother, who is still in
Winnipeg to email me my work I have prepared concerning the Provincia of
Canada Occidentalis. Therefore I will post some of my Edictas from this
location. If anyone would like to contact me I will be at this email
location until after the funeral on Saturday.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius
Praetor
Canada Occidentalis

Subject:	[novaroma] Oath of Office
From:	"metistwo" <metistwo@-------->
Date:	Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:26:56 -0600

OATH OF OFFICE

I, Quintus Sertorius/Nathan Guiboche do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the
honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people
and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quintus Sertorius/Nathan Guiboche swear to
honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue
the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Quintus Sertorius/Nathan Guiboche swear to uphold and defend the Religio
Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way
that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I Quintus Sertorius/NathanGuiboche swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Quintus Sertorius/Nathan Guiboche further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Praetor for Canada
Occidentalis to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Praetor for Canada Occidentalis and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Subject:	[novaroma] CANADA OCCIDENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER ONE
From:	"metistwo" <metistwo@-------->
Date:	Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:32:10 -0600

CANADA OCCIDENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER ONE

ADOPTION OF AMINISTRATIVE PLAN

1 Jan 2000

Salve

I, Quintus Sertorius, Praetor Canada Occidentalis, issue Editca#1 to
announce the formal adoption of the following Administrative Plan. This plan
will be used for the Infrastructure of CO in order to ensure good
administration, and to facilitate the Provincia operations. As the State is
planning to organize a judicial system, we believe it will not be necessary
to establish dual institutions for internal Provincia adjudication.
Therefore, there are no provision for a justice system in the Provincia
beyond the Imperium exercised by the Praetor.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius
Praetor
Canada Occidentalis

THE ADMINITRATION OF CANADA OCCIDENTALIS
For administrative purposes, the Provincia of CO will be divided into three
Regiones, each of which will be assigned a Legatus, who will deal with the
day-to-day operations of their Regio. Please see below for information on
each of the Regios, including the responsibilities of the Legati, and the
precise geographical borders of each Regio. The details of the
administrative system by which the Provincia will adopt may also be viewed.
The Provincia of CO will be divided for administrative purposes into three
Regios:
1.Agassiz (Manitoba/Saskatchewan),
2.Athabasca (Alberta/Territories), and
3.Columbia (British Columbia).
A Legatus will be assigned to each Regio, and is responsible for the
day-to-day administration of thier Regio, whilst the Praetor oversees the
administration of the Provincia as a whole. This document gives precise
details of the administrative structure to be used in CO, under three main
headings: A. Regio, Legati Title, and Area; B. Administrative
Infrastructure; and C. Duties and Responsibilities for the Legati of Canada
Occidentalis.

A. Regio, Legati Title, and Area.

1. AGASSIZ
(Legatus Canada Occidentalis Agassiz)
Area = equivalent to the modern Provinces of Manitoba and Saskatchewan.

2. ATHABASCA
(Legatus Canada Occidentalis Athabasca)
Area = equivalent to the modern Province of Alberta and the
Territories.

3. COLUMBIA
(Legatus Canada Occidentalis Columbia)
Area = equivalent to the modern Province of British Columbia.

B. Administrative Infrastructure

1.The Legati CO must provide the Praetor CO with the standard contact
information. The Praetor will keep records of these details, and ensure that
all Legati know how to contact both the Praetor and the other Legati. The
primary method of administrative communication will be via e-mail, with mail
and telephone being used when e-mail is not available.

2.The names of the Legati CO will be displayed, with their positions, on the
CO website, with links to their e-mail addresses. Prospective citizens will
be encouraged to contact the Legatus for their Regio as a line of first
enquiry. There will be separate pages on the CO website for each Regio.
Legati are also encouraged to establish web sites for their Regios, which
will then be linked to the CO website.

3.The Praetor of CO will appoint Legati, whose positions will be reaffirmed
each year on the first of January, by the Praetor. When a legateship becomes
open, the Praetor shall invite all citizens in the relevant Regio to put
themselves forward as candidates for office. All citizens residing within
that Regio shall be eligible to stand for such office. Where more than one
citizen puts themselves forward for office, the choice of Legatus shall be
at the Praetor's discretion, to be determined by any means deemed
appropriate.
4.The Praetor CO shall at all times retain the right of veto over all
actions of the Legati.

5.All Legati shall retain the right to resign from their positions at any
time, without penalty, and without the need to provide a reason for their
resignation.
C. Duties and Responsibilities for the Legati of Canada Occidentalis

1.The Legati CO will establish and maintain personal contacts as far as is
possible with the citizens resident in the Regio for which they are
responsible. The Legati shall act as a point of first contact and enquiry
for interested prospective citizens, and are asked to offer advice to such
prospective citizens concerning application for Nova
Roman citizenship, information, ect. The Legati shall also act as a point of
first contact for existing citizens, to whom they are also asked to offer
advice relating to any aspect of Nova Roma to the best of their abilities.

2.The Legati are encouraged to correspond regularly with the Praetor CO,
reporting new developments or events in their Regios, and asking advice
where necessary. The Legati will also actively seek advice and direction
from the Provinica Praetor, and be prepared to assist the Praetor in any
projects that are undertaken concerning CO. To ensure a minimum degree of
communication, Legati are required to present reports on their Regios to the
Praetor twice yearly, on or near the 31 March and 30 September. These
reports may be brief, but should outline, to the best of the Legatus'
knowledge, the current population of his or her Regio, the events which have
been held in
connection with Nova Roma during the past six months in his or her Regio,
the plan for the next six months, and any further information which the
Legatus may deem useful or necessary. Failure to produce such reports within
one month of the expected date, without good reason or prior explanation may
result in the dismissal of the Legatus by the Praetor.

3.The Legati CO are encouraged to participate in further activities to
promote Nova Roma, and the Provincia. Legati will make contacts with local
institutions in order to facilitate the exchange of information.

4.The Legati CO shall take care of the day-to-day administration of the
Regios for which they are responsible, but they shall remain at all times
subordinate, and answerable to the Praetor CO. If at any time the Praetor
has cause to believe that an individual Legatus is failing to fulfill his or
her duties to a reasonable standard, or indulging in activities which are
illegal under Canadian law, the Praetor will contact the Legatus to be
warned of the possible consequences of such action, and ask for an
improvement in standards. If no, or an inadequate response, is forthcoming,
the Praetor may dismiss the Legatus, and arrange for the appointment of a
new Legatus as a replacement.

5.The Praetor CO may appoint magistrates, to be known as Praefectus, to
administer the Provincial Nova Roman populations of individual towns or
areas. The Legati may recommend suitable candidates for these offices from
amongst all citizens resident in the relevant town or area. The Praefectus
CO shall administer Provincial Nova Roma operations for their particular
locations, but will at all times be subordinate to, first the Praetor CO,
and secondly to the Legatus governing that particular Regio. The Praefectus
CO shall be proactive in organizing and administering their areas of
responsibility, and be prepared to provide assistance to any Provincia
activities. The Praefectus CO shall provide a report, twice yearly on or
near the 1 March and 1 September, to the Praetor CO, with a copy to be
provided the Legatus of that particular Regio, The Praetor CO only shall at
all times retain the right of veto over all actions of the Praefectus CO.
All Praefecti CO shall retain the right to resign from their positions at
any time, without penalty, and without the need to provide a reason for
their resignation.

6.Candidates for the office of Legatus, and Perfectus CO should be aware
that participation in rites pertaining to the Religio Romana (the paga state
religion of Nova Roma) might be required of them in the course of their
duties. Should such participation cause difficulties for prospective Legati,
they are advised not to apply for the post.

Subject:	[novaroma] Inaugural Message - Marcus Cassius Julianus
From:	cassius622@--------
Date:	Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:39:41 EST

Salvete Omnes,

The Comitia Curiata has been called to order, and a new year is opening for
Nova Roma. I can't help but be enthused at such a time, when it is so easy to
see both the progress we've made and our potential for even greater success
in the future.

I hope that all will join me in giving sincere thanks to the two noble Romans
who presided in the Consulship this last term. Q. Fabius Maximus and Marcus
Minucius Audens have done at truly admirable job... holding us together
during the rough spots and still managing to lead Nova Roma forward in many
significant ways. I at least found myself filled with admiration for these
two at many times during the year. Both Q. Fabius and Audens had some
difficult personal situations last year as well as challenges here (such as
being unable to call the Comitia to order due to our situation with
Rogators), yet our state ran smoothly and well.

AVE Q. FABIUS MAXIMUS! AVE MARCUS MINUCIUS AUDENS! :)

Indeed, all serving magistrates of this last term are deserving of both our
thanks and our respect. This last year was truly a crucial one. We could have
devolved into chaos by being weakened from past conflicts... but instead our
population, our infrastructure, and our prospects are greater than ever. Even
when there were disagreements we all kept working, and it has become obvious
that the ideal of Roma Aeterna is vastly more meaningful than any squabbles
that may rise among us.

There is much to be done in the coming year. We have the opportunity to work
together in providing Nova Roma with fair and sensible laws, practical
financial procedures, and new growth. Flavius Vedius Germanicus and I, the
incoming Consuls, are mapping out ways to accomplish as much as possible in
the months ahead. Already the time is seeming all too short! ;)

I look forward to being able to working with this years magistrates, and all
the Citizens of Nova Roma who take the time to participate in the everyday
life of New Rome. I hope that all Citizens will remember that my door is
always open, and that I will be more than happy to answer questions or
provide assistance for anyone as it is possible for me to do so.

May the Gods and Goddesses of Rome grant us their blessings for the coming
year!

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Consul





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Subject:	[novaroma] Rogatorship
From:	gmvick32@--------
Date:	Thu, 04 Jan 2001 05:19:53 -0000

Salve, Camillus:

Please contact me as soon as possible so I may pass on the wisdom of
the Rogators to all our successors.

Thank you,

Livia Cornelia Aurelia
ex-Sr. Rogator Suffecti

Subject:	[novaroma] Need to talk to Brittanicus
From:	gmvick32@--------
Date:	Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:28:07 -0700

Salvete, Omnes:

Would Rogator Brittanicus please contact me as soon as
possible?

Vale,
Livia Cornelia Aurelia
ex-Rogator

Subject:	[novaroma] Call for applicants to legateship
From:	gmvick32@--------
Date:	Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:57:11 -0700

Salvete, Quirites:

This is to announce that there are two open legateships in
the Provincia America Austroccidentalis which it would be my
pleasure to fill. The legateships are for:

- the territory Austocc. Magna Fossae (states of Arizona and
Utah)
- the territory Austocc. Mons Petrosus (states of Colorado
and New Mexico)

The legates will perform administrative functions inside
their territory, organize local events, and serve as an
advisor to the propraetor in the future plans for the
province.

The legate for a territory MUST reside in one of the states
comprising that territory.

If any cive meets the residency qualification and is
otherwise interested in being considered, please send an
e-mail to me stating the nature of your interest,
qualifications for the position and any similar experience
you've had, your general availability, and how you'd
stimulate local participation in the territory.

Valete,
Livia Cornelia Aurelia
Propraetor, America Austroccidentalis

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Death in the Family
From:	"Caius Flavius Diocletianus" <3s@-------->
Date:	Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:33:59 +0100

Salve, Quinte Sertori.

My condolences for you lost familiy member. I really hope that you find
comfort, by your faith and by your sense of family.

Bene Vale
Caius Flavius Diocletianus


----- Original Message -----
From: "metistwo" <metistwo@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 9:36 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Death in the Family


> 3 Jan 0001
>
> Salve All
>
> I would just like to inform everyone that I will be late in returning to
my home base of Winnipeg due to an unexpected death in my family. I must now
perform one of our peoples grimmer duties, and see to the burying of one
more of my clan. As I am Metis, it is our tradition to take care of our
dead, so tonight we are starting a fire on the grave site in order to melt
the three feet of frozen ground we to break through. This is hard work but
helps us to deal with our loss. I have asked my brother, who is still in
Winnipeg to email me my work I have prepared concerning the Provincia of
Canada Occidentalis. Therefore I will post some of my Edictas from this
location. If anyone would like to contact me I will be at this email
location until after the funeral on Saturday.
>
> Vale
>
> Quintus Sertorius
> Praetor
> Canada Occidentalis
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>

Subject:	[novaroma] CANADA OCCIDENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER TWO
From:	"metistwo" <metistwo@-------->
Date:	Thu, 4 Jan 2001 06:08:20 -0600

CANADA OCCIDENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER TWO

PROVINCIAL BUDGET FOR CANADA OCCIDENTALIS JAN2001-JAN2002

4 Jan 2000

Salve

I,Quintus Sertorius, Praetor Canada Occidentalis, issue Edicta#2 to announce
the following budget for the Provincia Canada Occidentalis, covering the
period Jan 2001 to Jan 2002. This is beimg supplied according to the Senatus
Consultum de Provincialum Pecuniarum Rationibus on Provincial Budgets issued
on June 14, 2000, which declares, that, “all propraetores of Nova Roma must
submit to the Senate budgets for their provinces for the year 2754 AUC by
the Kalends of November, 2753 AUC (November 1st, 2000)”. As our Provincia
has had no Praetor until 1 Jan 2001, we have not been able to submit one
before that time. This budget will cover the following;
I. Expanses,
II. Revenue,
III. Description of fundraising activities planned,
IV. Description of Provincial activities necessitating expenditure

I Expenses

The following is a list of expenses that are anticipated to be incurred this
year.

-$120 for one year Internet for Website.
-$ 30 for phone and mail.
-$ 50 for starting bank account, misc. expenses, and for an initial
balance.

II Revenue

The initial expenses for this fiscal year will be covered by a donation to
the Provincia from the Praetor of $200.

III Description of fundraising activities planned

We will register CO as a Non-profit organization, and once this is done we
intend to apply for a Lotteries License. We than plan for future fundraising
events, and put together a proposal for CO that will be used to apply for
any government cultural grants available, and more importantly for Corporate
grants. So we will lobby Corporations to ask for Tax Deductible donations.

IV Description of Provincial activities necessitating expenditure

The only activity that will incur expenses this year will be concerning
communications, and are listed in the expenses section of this budget.
Should more revenue be collected then is estimated in this budget, than such
funds will be used to get some of the Provincias projects off the ground.

Subject:	[novaroma] CANADA OCCIDENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER THREE
From:	"metistwo" <metistwo@-------->
Date:	Thu, 4 Jan 2001 06:09:15 -0600

CANADA OCCIDENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER THREE

ESTABLISHMENT OF EGROUP FORUM FOR CANADAOCCIDENATLIS

4 Jan 2001

Salve

I Quintus Sertorius Praetor Canada Occidentalis issue the following Edicta
to announce the Establishment of an Egroup Forum for Canada Occidentalis.
This egroup has been set up to serve the citizens of CO who wish to meet and
discuss issues particular to our Provincia, and issues dealing with Nova
Roma. All citizens are invited to join this egroup and contribute to further
communications in our Provincia. This will at first consist of an egroup,
and then will be followed by a real-time Forum that will be set up along the
Nova Roma Tavern model. Those wishing to subscribe to this egroup go to the
following link;
http://www.egroups.com/group/NR_CanOcc


Vale

Quintus Sertorius
Praetor
Canada Occidentalis

Subject:	[novaroma] CANADA OCCIDENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER FOUR
From:	"metistwo" <metistwo@-------->
Date:	Thu, 4 Jan 2001 06:10:12 -0600

CANADA OCCIDENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER FOUR

ESTABLISHMNET OF PROVINCIA TUBULARIUM FOR CANADA OCCIDENATLIS

4 Jan 2000

Salve

I Quintus Sertorius Praetor Canada Occidentalis issue the following Edicta
the announce the establishment of a Provincia Tabularium for Canada
Occidentalis. This Tabularium will be found on the Canada Occidentalis
Website and will include all Edicta and achieves for the Provincia.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius
Praetor
Canada Occidentalis

Subject:	[novaroma] CANADA OCCIDENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER FIVE
From:	"metistwo" <metistwo@-------->
Date:	Thu, 4 Jan 2001 06:10:51 -0600

CANADA OCCIDENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER FIVE

APPOINTMENT OF LEGATUS FOR THE REGIO OF ATHABASCA

4 Jan 2000

Salve

I, Quintus Sertorius, Praetor Canada Occidentalis, issue Edicta #5 to
announce the appointment of Marcus Darius Ursus, as Legatus for the Regio of
Athabasca, in the Nova Roma Provincia of Canada Occidentalis.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius
Praetor
Canada Occidentalis

Subject:	[novaroma] CANADA OCCIDENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER SIX
From:	"metistwo" <metistwo@-------->
Date:	Thu, 4 Jan 2001 06:11:53 -0600

CANADA OCCIDENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER SIX

APPOINTMENT OF LEGATUS FOR THE REGIO OF AGASSIZ

4 Jan 2000

Salve

I Quintus Sertorius Praetor Canada Occidentalis issue the following Edicta
to announce the appointment of Appia Claudia Indagatrix as Legatus for the
Regio of Aagassiz in the Nova Roma Provincia of Canada Occidentalis.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius
Praetor
Canada Occidentalis

Subject:	[novaroma] Thank you
From:	"metistwo" <metistwo@-------->
Date:	Thu, 4 Jan 2001 06:32:38 -0600

4 Jan 2000

Salve All

I would like to thank all those hat responded to my loss of a family member.
It is good to know that so many in our micronation care for the well being
of those that suffer. My entire family here is impressed at the number of
Nova Roma citizens that have sent in their condolences. Once again, I am
honored to be part of such important caring organization.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius
Praetor
Canada Occidentalis

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The Senate Vote on Draco
From:	Christer Edling <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:49:12 +0100

>Salvete Quirites,
>
>I will now do something unexpected and state that I completely
>agree with Marcus Apollonius.
>
>Almost all of us here insulted our enemies continuously through the
>campaign season, but only Sextus Apollonius is suffering for it.
>
>Valete, Octavius.

Salvete;

Now I' l do the forbidden and just say that I: agree! I don' always agree
with Sextus Apollonius, but in this case I completely agree with Marcus
Octavius Germanicus.
Vale

Christer Edling
alias
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
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Subject:	[novaroma] Local Groups (long)
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:14:48 -0500

Salvete, omnes;

One of the ideas that I've been discussing recently in the chat room with
various Cives has been the establishment of local groups of Nova Roman
citizens to hold regular real-world gatherings. As it stands, all of our
provincia are too large to easily accomodate face-to-face meetings, which is
the direction in which I believe our future lies.

With the possible exception of Britannia (with which I'm unfamiliar in terms
of driving distances), even most of the regia that are administered by
governor-appointed legati are too large for such meetings on any sort of
regular basis. (For example, in the United States, regia usually are formed
of one or more states, which can be an enormous distance to cover; even in a
relatively small state such as New Jersey, expecting someone in the southern
half of the state to regularly drive to the northern half is unrealistic.)

In the Mediatlantica Provincia, I've tried rectifying this by establishing a
regia that covers the "greater metropolitan area" of Washington, D.C., but
then we run into the trouble of vast differences in what it means to be a
legatus from one provincia to another. In Mediatlantica, it means to be in
charge of a single city and its surrounding area. In Canada Occidentalis, it
means to be in charge of a couple of territories. I don't think this is
desirable in the long term.

What I and many others have been bouncing around is the concept of really
local groups; groups which consist of people living within, say, an hour of
a central point.

The best analogy I can use comes from two international organizations with
which I am familiar, and which are in many ways similar to Nova Roma; the
Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA) and StarFleet International (SFI).
For those unfamiliar with these groups, the SCA is a medieval reenactment
society, and Starfleet International is a Star Trek fan club.

At their most local levels, the SCA is organized into Baronies, and SFI is
organized into Starships. Both are then organized into regional groupings
(kingdoms and regions, respectively), but local chapters have pretty much
autonomy over their activities. While membership is specific to a local
group, there is a lot of overlap both in membership and participation; I may
be a member of the Barony of Rusted Woodlands, but nothing says I won't be
welcome at an event hosted by the Barony of Settmour Swamp. Similarly, I may
be a member of the USS Justice, but it's up to the respective ship captains
if I can also be a member of the USS Lexington.

Local chapters in both groups hold regular meetings both for business and
social purposes. The SCA groups, for example, in addition to a monthly
business meeting, will also hold regular events such as fighter practices,
dance practices, costuming workshops, etc. plus a variety of special events
such as feasts, faires, markets, arts and sciences universities, weddings,
wars, etc. In addition to these local events hosted by local chapters, the
local chapters also give a framework for regional and (inter)national
events; local chapters within SFI, for example, submit bids every year for
the right to hold the Regional and International Meeting. Local groups are
also expected to hold their own fund-raisers and recruit new members within
their local area of operation.

That gives some idea of the background I'm coming from and an notion of the
general direction in which I would like to see Nova Roma head. While some
may argue that we're spread too thin for such groups, I would say that one
of the whole points of having them is to recruit on the local level. If you
form it, they will come (as long as you do it right!).

What I would like to see at this point is some discussion on what form such
local groups, with generally the same level of activities as I described
above, might take within Nova Roma? There are a lot of conceptual and
particular questions to talk about. Ones I can think of off the top of my
head include:

- What relationship would such local groups have with the Provincial or
Central governments? Who would issue their charter? Who would appoint their
leaders (or would their leaders be self-appointed, and if so what level of
oversight would there be)?

- What form would such local groups' organization take? Would there be a
single model to follow, a choice of several different models, or be
completely free-form?

- Should local groups be sponsored by an already-existing local group who
would act as a mentoring group until the group was big enough/old
enough/etc.? What if a group wanted to form in an area where there already
was a group? What if a group splits up due to internal pressures?

- Should the existing system of Legati be incorporated into such local
groups, or should they remain as a level of organization between the local
groups and the provincial governors?

- What sort of nomenclature would be used for local groups? Would such
nomenclature change depending on group size or legal status (as in the SCA,
a canton becomes a barony when it has enough people, or in SFI a shuttle
becomes a ship)? (Some choices include municipia, pagus, vicus, villa, etc.)

- What sort of names would local groups be allowed (or required) to have?
Something based on local geography? Something completely made-up?

- What minimum size and/or level of activity would be expected for such a
local group? What happens if a group hasn't had a meeting in 6 months?

- Should provincial, regional, and international meetings (such as my
proposed RubiCon) be "farmed out" to the local groups?

- Should magistrates (or priests!) at any given level (either provincial or
national) be mandated to belong to and/or in charge of a local group?

- What sorts of assistance can (or should) the central and/or provincial
government give to new local groups just starting out, not only in terms of
publicity; but practical knowledge of recruitment, fundraising, increasing
visibility; plus material assistance in the form of hardcopy materials, web
site space (and design assistance?), and even seed money?

I'm sure there are a number of other issues that others will come up with
during the course of this discussion. Remember, this is just a sort of "seed
idea" that I think will profit us to open up for discussion; the final
version (if it ever gets to a point where we can think about enacting it on
a practical level) may be very different from anything mentioned above. But
I do think that getting more face-to-face meetings is going to be more than
helpful-- possibly essential-- in turning Nova Roma into the lasting bastion
of Romanitas that I think we all know it can become.

Comments are more than welcome; especially from those lurkers on the list.
Everyone's opinions are welcome! I know for a fact that we have more than a
few SCAdians in our midst (and probably a few SFI'ers too); any input is
appreciated!

(For those who wish more information on the structure and activities of the
above-mentioned organizations, the SCA web site can be found at
http://www.sca.org and SFI can be found at http://www.sfi.org)

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://www.goldenfuture.net/mediatlantica

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The Senate Vote on Draco
From:	RexMarcius@--------
Date:	Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:19:54 EST

Salvete omnes!

Although my vote on this matter in the Senate has already been reported by
the Tribunes, I too would like to state, that in my mind this decision is not
what Nova Roma deserved.

Sextus Apollonius is an outstanding and - in my eyes - already very mature
individual, who I, together with the majority of the people (!) and the
majority of the Senate (!), would gladly have seen working for Nova Roma in
the position he was elected to.

Nevertheless I now ask all citizens in the interest of the rule of law in our
beloved res publica to abide by the procedure that has been established by
the Lex Iunia de magistratum aetate. Although one can can criticise the rules
itself and the way they were implemented, this result is legitimate according
to the law of the land of Nova Roma.

Better luck and wiser Senators next time, Sexte! I am sure you will prove
them all wrong with your behaviour in the coming time!

Avete et Valete

Marcus Marcius Rex
Senator
Propraetor Germaniae

Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Local Groups (long)
From:	Steve Perpich <perpichs@-------->
Date:	Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:04:44 -0500

As a "list lurker" I have come to respect the honourable members'
interactions and intelligence - the founding fathers of ancient Rome would
have not found the manner of discussion too alien to their thinking.

I agree with the concept of "localization" of citizens into some form of
smaller unit, allowing for grass roots and person to person interaction...

The comparison to the SCA or SFI begs the question though...are we a nation
or are we a bunch of role players? I believe we are a micro-nation with
true laws, culture and a (growing) history. We have a chance at reviving a
true ideal in human social interaction that was lost with the fall of the
Republic so many years ago.

Are we not - from the desire to be Nova Roma - above such petty
organizations as the SCA or SFI? Those are organizations for play - we are
more mature than that!

So please Quirtes - when we think of the localization we must be careful not
to create an atmosphere of petty club politics populated with idle dreamers
and role players. Again the idea to stimulate more face to face interaction
is a fine one - but it must be organized to benefit Nova Roma - NOT for the
mental maturbation of role playing.


Gaius Marius Lepidus
Citizen






-----Original Message-----
From: Flavius Vedius Germanicus [mailto:germanicus@--------]
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 9:15 AM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Local Groups (long)


Salvete, omnes;

One of the ideas that I've been discussing recently in the chat room with
various Cives has been the establishment of local groups of Nova Roman
citizens to hold regular real-world gatherings. As it stands, all of our
provincia are too large to easily accomodate face-to-face meetings, which is
the direction in which I believe our future lies.

With the possible exception of Britannia (with which I'm unfamiliar in terms
of driving distances), even most of the regia that are administered by
governor-appointed legati are too large for such meetings on any sort of
regular basis. (For example, in the United States, regia usually are formed
of one or more states, which can be an enormous distance to cover; even in a
relatively small state such as New Jersey, expecting someone in the southern
half of the state to regularly drive to the northern half is unrealistic.)

In the Mediatlantica Provincia, I've tried rectifying this by establishing a
regia that covers the "greater metropolitan area" of Washington, D.C., but
then we run into the trouble of vast differences in what it means to be a
legatus from one provincia to another. In Mediatlantica, it means to be in
charge of a single city and its surrounding area. In Canada Occidentalis, it
means to be in charge of a couple of territories. I don't think this is
desirable in the long term.

What I and many others have been bouncing around is the concept of really
local groups; groups which consist of people living within, say, an hour of
a central point.

The best analogy I can use comes from two international organizations with
which I am familiar, and which are in many ways similar to Nova Roma; the
Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA) and StarFleet International (SFI).
For those unfamiliar with these groups, the SCA is a medieval reenactment
society, and Starfleet International is a Star Trek fan club.

At their most local levels, the SCA is organized into Baronies, and SFI is
organized into Starships. Both are then organized into regional groupings
(kingdoms and regions, respectively), but local chapters have pretty much
autonomy over their activities. While membership is specific to a local
group, there is a lot of overlap both in membership and participation; I may
be a member of the Barony of Rusted Woodlands, but nothing says I won't be
welcome at an event hosted by the Barony of Settmour Swamp. Similarly, I may
be a member of the USS Justice, but it's up to the respective ship captains
if I can also be a member of the USS Lexington.

Local chapters in both groups hold regular meetings both for business and
social purposes. The SCA groups, for example, in addition to a monthly
business meeting, will also hold regular events such as fighter practices,
dance practices, costuming workshops, etc. plus a variety of special events
such as feasts, faires, markets, arts and sciences universities, weddings,
wars, etc. In addition to these local events hosted by local chapters, the
local chapters also give a framework for regional and (inter)national
events; local chapters within SFI, for example, submit bids every year for
the right to hold the Regional and International Meeting. Local groups are
also expected to hold their own fund-raisers and recruit new members within
their local area of operation.

That gives some idea of the background I'm coming from and an notion of the
general direction in which I would like to see Nova Roma head. While some
may argue that we're spread too thin for such groups, I would say that one
of the whole points of having them is to recruit on the local level. If you
form it, they will come (as long as you do it right!).

What I would like to see at this point is some discussion on what form such
local groups, with generally the same level of activities as I described
above, might take within Nova Roma? There are a lot of conceptual and
particular questions to talk about. Ones I can think of off the top of my
head include:

- What relationship would such local groups have with the Provincial or
Central governments? Who would issue their charter? Who would appoint their
leaders (or would their leaders be self-appointed, and if so what level of
oversight would there be)?

- What form would such local groups' organization take? Would there be a
single model to follow, a choice of several different models, or be
completely free-form?

- Should local groups be sponsored by an already-existing local group who
would act as a mentoring group until the group was big enough/old
enough/etc.? What if a group wanted to form in an area where there already
was a group? What if a group splits up due to internal pressures?

- Should the existing system of Legati be incorporated into such local
groups, or should they remain as a level of organization between the local
groups and the provincial governors?

- What sort of nomenclature would be used for local groups? Would such
nomenclature change depending on group size or legal status (as in the SCA,
a canton becomes a barony when it has enough people, or in SFI a shuttle
becomes a ship)? (Some choices include municipia, pagus, vicus, villa, etc.)

- What sort of names would local groups be allowed (or required) to have?
Something based on local geography? Something completely made-up?

- What minimum size and/or level of activity would be expected for such a
local group? What happens if a group hasn't had a meeting in 6 months?

- Should provincial, regional, and international meetings (such as my
proposed RubiCon) be "farmed out" to the local groups?

- Should magistrates (or priests!) at any given level (either provincial or
national) be mandated to belong to and/or in charge of a local group?

- What sorts of assistance can (or should) the central and/or provincial
government give to new local groups just starting out, not only in terms of
publicity; but practical knowledge of recruitment, fundraising, increasing
visibility; plus material assistance in the form of hardcopy materials, web
site space (and design assistance?), and even seed money?

I'm sure there are a number of other issues that others will come up with
during the course of this discussion. Remember, this is just a sort of "seed
idea" that I think will profit us to open up for discussion; the final
version (if it ever gets to a point where we can think about enacting it on
a practical level) may be very different from anything mentioned above. But
I do think that getting more face-to-face meetings is going to be more than
helpful-- possibly essential-- in turning Nova Roma into the lasting bastion
of Romanitas that I think we all know it can become.

Comments are more than welcome; especially from those lurkers on the list.
Everyone's opinions are welcome! I know for a fact that we have more than a
few SCAdians in our midst (and probably a few SFI'ers too); any input is
appreciated!

(For those who wish more information on the structure and activities of the
above-mentioned organizations, the SCA web site can be found at
http://www.sca.org and SFI can be found at http://www.sfi.org)

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://www.goldenfuture.net/mediatlantica

Subject:	[novaroma] Consular Edictum
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:15:54 -0500

Salvete;

It is with great pleasure that I announce the following Consular Edictum
relating to events within the Mediatlantica Provincia:

Edict regarding an official Mediatlantica Provincia email list

I. The Mediatlantica provincia shall maintain an email list to further the
development of community between Nova Romans within the province. This list
shall be a forum open to all cives of Nova Roma, and non-Citizens with an
interest in ancient Rome. All cives within the province are encouraged to
subscribe to and participate in the discussions on this email list.

II. An official email list for the Mediatlantica provincia is hereby created
through the eGroups.com service. Its title is mediatlantica@--------, and
interested persons may subscribe either at the official provincial website
(http://www.goldenfuture.net/mediatlantica) or directly through eGroups at
http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/mediatlantica.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://www.goldenfuture.net/mediatlantica

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The Senate Vote on Draco
From:	gmvick32@--------
Date:	Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:26:08 -0700

Salvete Quirites:

I have two things to say:

First, I agree and am very disappointed that Sextus Apollonius didn't receive
a dispensation from the Senate, especially since he received such a
resounding vote of approval from the Comitia.

Secondly, I ask us all to sit back and reflect SERIOUSLY and DEEPLY on
something:

Octavius scripsit:
>Almost all of us here insulted our enemies continuously through the
>campaign season, but only Sextus Apollonius is suffering for it.

And I ask each of you (and me) this: Is Nova Roma really big enough to have
"enemies"? I find this thought distasteful, and think if any of us are
thinking we have camps of "enemies", then we each need to sit back and
reflect on our purpose in Nova Roma, the whole purpose of Nova Roma, and
recognize it's going to take all of us, not just a handful of us, to get
where we are trying to go.

I sincerely hope that "enemies" would fall in that category of "things we
choose to leave behind", and that we could move forward joined in a common
purpose (noting, of course, that friends sometimes disagree, and sometimes
always disagree, but that disagreement itself does not make one an "enemy".)

Vale,
Livia Cornelia Aurelia




Christer Edling wrote:

> >Salvete Quirites,
> >
> >I will now do something unexpected and state that I completely
> >agree with Marcus Apollonius.
> >
> >Almost all of us here insulted our enemies continuously through the
> >campaign season, but only Sextus Apollonius is suffering for it.
> >
> >Valete, Octavius.
>
> Salvete;
>
> Now I' l do the forbidden and just say that I: agree! I don' always agree
> with Sextus Apollonius, but in this case I completely agree with Marcus
> Octavius Germanicus.
> Vale
>
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> alias
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Local Groups (long)
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:19:36 -0500

Salvete;

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Perpich [mailto:perpichs@--------]
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 10:05
>
> The comparison to the SCA or SFI begs the question though...are we a
nation
> or are we a bunch of role players? I believe we are a micro-nation with
> true laws, culture and a (growing) history. We have a chance at reviving
a
> true ideal in human social interaction that was lost with the fall of the
> Republic so many years ago.
>
> Are we not - from the desire to be Nova Roma - above such petty
> organizations as the SCA or SFI? Those are organizations for play - we
are
> more mature than that!

I would have thought that it was obvious the comparison with the SCA and SFI
was purely an organizational one. Apparently I was in error.

Of course I am not advocating that we turn into a role-playing group such as
the two noted in my original post; I think it is absurd to even imply that
from my post. But those organizations do have a tried and tested system of
local organization that I feel would be very beneficial for us to examine as
we figure out if and how we are to establish our own local organizational
structure.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://www.goldenfuture.net/mediatlantica

Subject:	RE: [novaroma] The Senate Vote on Draco
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:21:56 -0500

Salvete;

While I normally abhor "me, too" or "I agree" posts on email lists, I am
compelled to give Livia Cornelia a big "bravo!" for this sentiment. I hope
it's something we all can take to heart.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://www.goldenfuture.net/mediatlantica

> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmvick32@-------- [mailto:gmvick32@--------]
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 10:26
>
> And I ask each of you (and me) this: Is Nova Roma really big enough to
have
> "enemies"? I find this thought distasteful, and think if any of us are
> thinking we have camps of "enemies", then we each need to sit back and
> reflect on our purpose in Nova Roma, the whole purpose of Nova Roma, and
> recognize it's going to take all of us, not just a handful of us, to get
> where we are trying to go.
>
> I sincerely hope that "enemies" would fall in that category of "things we
> choose to leave behind", and that we could move forward joined in a common
> purpose (noting, of course, that friends sometimes disagree, and sometimes
> always disagree, but that disagreement itself does not make one
> an "enemy".)

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The Senate Vote on Draco
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:40:03 -0600 (CST)

Salve Livia Cornelia,

> I sincerely hope that "enemies" would fall in that category of "things we
> choose to leave behind", and that we could move forward joined in a common
> purpose

I certainly agree with that, speaking as the one who used the word
"enemy" in the post you were quoting. I do think that word is
accurate, given the tone of the debates last month, but that enmity
is now something that should be put behind us.

For my part, I voted to approve Sextus Apollonius (affiliated with
the "circle of friends" that was opposed to my own), as a gesture
toward peace and concordia. Similarly, I've exchanged a few messages
with Marcus Apollonius privately that have been much more respectful
than what you saw between us last month.

So, while "enemy" might be a rather strong word for how we saw each
other during the political campaign -- at least it's something we're
all trying to put behind us and move away from.

Vale, Octavius.

---
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneae et Senator

Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Local Groups (long)
From:	Steve Perpich <perpichs@-------->
Date:	Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:38:16 -0500

Although I am considered by many to be absurd (grin) and therefore take no
offense - the implication WAS perceived from the original posting. I did
not intend to insult the honoured Consul - but I do hold on to my opinions
regarding groups like the SCA/SFI and take offense to any implication of
Nova Roma with those groups (again my absurd disposition).

Perhaps (to avoid the pitfall of SCA/SFI associations) if local groups can
be created that parallel existing local municipal governments - we can
create a vehicle to support grassroots groups plus have a valid structure as
a template. Identification and tracking of such groups may prove easier as
well.

Gaius Marius Lepidus
Citizen




-----Original Message-----
From: Flavius Vedius Germanicus [mailto:germanicus@--------]
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 10:20 AM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: RE: [novaroma] Local Groups (long)


Salvete;

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Perpich [mailto:perpichs@--------]
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 10:05
>
> The comparison to the SCA or SFI begs the question though...are we a
nation
> or are we a bunch of role players? I believe we are a micro-nation with
> true laws, culture and a (growing) history. We have a chance at reviving
a
> true ideal in human social interaction that was lost with the fall of the
> Republic so many years ago.
>
> Are we not - from the desire to be Nova Roma - above such petty
> organizations as the SCA or SFI? Those are organizations for play - we
are
> more mature than that!

I would have thought that it was obvious the comparison with the SCA and SFI
was purely an organizational one. Apparently I was in error.

Of course I am not advocating that we turn into a role-playing group such as
the two noted in my original post; I think it is absurd to even imply that
from my post. But those organizations do have a tried and tested system of
local organization that I feel would be very beneficial for us to examine as
we figure out if and how we are to establish our own local organizational
structure.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://www.goldenfuture.net/mediatlantica

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Local Groups (long)
From:	gmvick32@--------
Date:	Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:12:53 -0700

Salvete, Quirites:

Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:

> Salvete, omnes;
>
> One of the ideas that I've been discussing recently in the chat room with
> various Cives has been the establishment of local groups of Nova Roman
> citizens to hold regular real-world gatherings. As it stands, all of our
> provincia are too large to easily accomodate face-to-face meetings, which is
> the direction in which I believe our future lies.
>

> In the Mediatlantica Provincia, I've tried rectifying this by establishing a
> regia that covers the "greater metropolitan area" of Washington, D.C., but
> then we run into the trouble of vast differences in what it means to be a
> legatus from one provincia to another. In Mediatlantica, it means to be in
> charge of a single city and its surrounding area. In Canada Occidentalis, it
> means to be in charge of a couple of territories. I don't think this is
> desirable in the long term.

LIVIA respondeo:
This is entirely true. In my province, I've also carved up the territories into
impossibly huge two-state territories. In part, however, that was driven by my
(spotty) knowledge of the residents of each state, and my (better) knowledge of
the geographical dispersion of cities and people in the area. Needless to say,
I could easily see a different territorial dispersment in my province (Texas
alone could consist of two territories), or of carving up a territory into
smaller units. What drives me right now is demand and stirring interest in the
existing cives.


> What I and many others have been bouncing around is the concept of really
> local groups; groups which consist of people living within, say, an hour of
> a central point.

LIVIA respondeo:
I agree completely, and am working on establishing the same. In the past two
months, cives within an hour of me have assembled three times: once for an
afternoon at a bookstore/restaurant meal event, once for a dinner event at a
Greek restaurant, and once at my home for a Saturnalia celebration. It's my
hope with the appointment of a legate in Texas and (hopefully) one in
Utah/Arizona to be able to carve new pockets of activity. It also gets back to
demand and having someone at that location willing to champion the cause.

> The best analogy I can use comes from two international organizations with
> which I am familiar, and which are in many ways similar to Nova Roma; the
> Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA) and StarFleet International (SFI).
> For those unfamiliar with these groups, the SCA is a medieval reenactment
> society, and Starfleet International is a Star Trek fan club.
>

LIVIA respondeo:
I've several times said that we could learn lessons from the way SCA is
organized. (NO, not to equate us with a role playing group. SCA has done a
tremendous job of organizing it's internal administration, and we can completely
study that and never touch the fact that they are a role playing group.) I
would welcome a discussion of how to implement lessons learned from SCA
organization.

> What I would like to see at this point is some discussion on what form such
> local groups, with generally the same level of activities as I described
> above, might take within Nova Roma? There are a lot of conceptual and
> particular questions to talk about. Ones I can think of off the top of my
> head include:
>
> - What relationship would such local groups have with the Provincial or
> Central governments? Who would issue their charter? Who would appoint their
> leaders (or would their leaders be self-appointed, and if so what level of
> oversight would there be)?
>

LIVIA scripsit:
I think at this stage, there should be a direct relationshop to the Provincial
government, and I'd like to see it as a third (or fourth) tier of the provincial
government. ....So the provincial structure could be:
Province/Territory/Regio (if definable)/Local chapter. They could be
established upon petition to the propraetor.

In Mediatlantica, my sense is that you are working with a greater number of
people who are already active. In other provinces, well, I have entire states
right now where those who even respond to me tell me they are served adequately
by having Nova Roma be essentially an e-list community. I think it will take
time to develop citizen groups in some places where the size justifies splitting
off into local groups with unique identities, and I think it's one of the
propraetor's direct charters to foster the development of their local
populations.

Also, in some places, a local cive of one is hardly justified in taking up the
identity of a formal local chapter. If they are motivated to attract other
members and exist in an informal capacity for a while, then I could see them
applying to the propraetor for official recognition.


> - What form would such local groups' organization take? Would there be a
> single model to follow, a choice of several different models, or be
> completely free-form?

LIVIA scripsit:
I would encourage establishment of common guidelines (which is perhaps a task
left to the Limes Cooperation or a board of proprators, in cooperation with the
Senate) for establishing local governments. Guidelines that are descriptive but
not prescriptive. I think a local chapter needs to have a certain amount of
guidance, but after that should be left on it's own. After a local chapter is
established, I would favor having the local chapter decide by vote their
leadership and then having the propraetor ratify the appointment. In setting up
a local chapter, I think we need to let the natural leaders have ample room to
get their group started, but still we need to have guidelines for how they
proceed if we are to have a somewhat unified result.

> - Should local groups be sponsored by an already-existing local group who
> would act as a mentoring group until the group was big enough/old
> enough/etc.? What if a group wanted to form in an area where there already
> was a group? What if a group splits up due to internal pressures?

LIVIA:
Hmm.....not sure, will think on it more. I'd say they need recourse to a higher
organizational level (the propraetor) to help resolve issues. I'd be delighted
to actually have the problem of two potential local groups in the same area.

> - Should the existing system of Legati be incorporated into such local
> groups, or should they remain as a level of organization between the local
> groups and the provincial governors?

LIVIA scripsit:
Formally, they should remain as a level of organization between the local group
and provincial governors. Practically speaking, they will likely serve as THE
mentoring group for quite some time. At least in my province, both legates and
propraetrix will likely be somewhat involved in encouraging any local
establishments for a while.

> - What sort of nomenclature would be used for local groups? Would such
> nomenclature change depending on group size or legal status (as in the SCA,
> a canton becomes a barony when it has enough people, or in SFI a shuttle
> becomes a ship)? (Some choices include municipia, pagus, vicus, villa, etc.)
>

LIVIA:
hmm.....not sure off the top.

> - What sort of names would local groups be allowed (or required) to have?
> Something based on local geography? Something completely made-up?

LIVIA:
I'd say, let's give them the leeway to come up with a name, but require that it
be in Latin. Part of the guidelines could say that acceptable names would
include a Latinization of a local name or geography, an aspect of the local
community that lends them uniqueness, or adoption of a Roman place name, etc. I
would give the propraetor the ability to reject or request modification of names
at the time of application.

>
> - What minimum size and/or level of activity would be expected for such a
> local group? What happens if a group hasn't had a meeting in 6 months?

LIVIA:
I'd say that the next level up needs to contact the local leadership and find
out what the problem is. If efforts to restimulate activity by the legate, and
ultimately the propraetor, aren't effective, I'd say the propraetor needs to
have the power to revoke or suspend the charter, but that this should not
happen without good faith efforts by higher levels to re-stimulate the local
group.


> - Should provincial, regional, and international meetings (such as my
> proposed RubiCon) be "farmed out" to the local groups?

LIVIA:
I think your proposed RubiCon would be endangered by farming it out to any such
local group at its infancy. I urge you to set up a committee and invite
applicants from across Nova Roma to establish RubiCon. Once it's more
established, and a local group to it's location is well established, then you
could see about vesting them with such responsibility.

> - Should magistrates (or priests!) at any given level (either provincial or
> national) be mandated to belong to and/or in charge of a local group?

LIVIA:
Mandated?? Absolutely not. Allowed?? yes. I think the strength of the local
groups would be to give those otherwise disinterested in the macro-politics of
Nova Roma a chance to have local participation and experience local leadership.
The presence of already appointed magistrates and priests could easily choke
that level of participation. I think local participation is about giving a
local group the opportunity to explore it's own unique concept of what Nova Roma
is.

> - What sorts of assistance can (or should) the central and/or provincial
> government give to new local groups just starting out, not only in terms of
> publicity; but practical knowledge of recruitment, fundraising, increasing
> visibility; plus material assistance in the form of hardcopy materials, web
> site space (and design assistance?), and even seed money?

LIVIA:
I'm still wondering about my own seed money for the province. I think it comes
from my pocket.

I think the provincial government should lend all available resources and
guidance to a local group. I think the aforementioned guidelines would help
with some of that knowledge. As for material assistance....we shall have to
consider that more later.

> I'm sure there are a number of other issues that others will come up with
> during the course of this discussion. Remember, this is just a sort of "seed
> idea" that I think will profit us to open up for discussion; the final
> version (if it ever gets to a point where we can think about enacting it on
> a practical level) may be very different from anything mentioned above. But
> I do think that getting more face-to-face meetings is going to be more than
> helpful-- possibly essential-- in turning Nova Roma into the lasting bastion
> of Romanitas that I think we all know it can become.
>

LIVIA:
Let me say....it's absolutely essential to the longevity of Nova Roma to have
local participation, IMHO. Let me also iterative, if it's not already evident,
that I think the issue of local chapters strongly resides inside the parvenue of
provincial governors.

Livia Cornelia Aurelia
Propraetrix, America Austroccidentalis

Subject:	[novaroma] EDICTUM PROPRAETORIS: Lacus Magni joines Limes Cooperation
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:39:43 -0600 (CST)

EX DOMO PROPRAETORIS PROVINCIAE LACUUM MAGNORUM

EDICTUM PROPRAETORIS

I. The Provincia Lacus Magni hereby joins the Limes Cooperation.

II. The co-operation is not restricted in its scope of application but shall
cover in particular the following fields:
a) Provincial infrastructure (e.g. Web-Site development)
b) Development of common provincial administrative standards
c) Organisation of conferences and meetings
d) Co-ordination of research projects of common interest

III. The co-operation shall be implemented by all means necessary and
available in an internet environment. In particular a restricted e-mail-list
shall be established for this purpose. A scriba shall be responsible for its
moderation.

IV. The co-operation is open to all provinces of Nova Roma which have been
established by Senatus Consultum. The respective provincial governor may
join the co-operation by enactment of an edictum making the co-operation
applicable in the respective province.

V. Any disputes arising out of the co-operation shall be settled by way of
mediation. A mediator has to be agreed upon by all affected governors.

Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
Propraetor Provinciae Lacuum Magnorum
pridie non. Ian. MMDCCLIV

---
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneae et Senator

Subject:	[novaroma] Asterix and Romans
From:	razenna@--------
Date:	Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:27:42 -0000

[Levity Alert! Activate Levity Centers!]
This is a link to a French site showing some figurines they produce.

http://www.madeinasterix.com/archive/figurine/figurines-plastoy97.htm

Now in a form that should circumvent some filters [just delete the
spaces]:
http:/ /www. madeinasterix . com / archive/ figurine/ figurines
-plastoy97 .htm

They are faithful to the books.

Be polite.

And enjoy.

C.Aelius Ericius.

Subject:	[novaroma] Kyrene news.
From:	Kyrene Ariadne <kyrene@-------->
Date:	Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:57:32 -0800 (PST)

Hello, Xairete, and Salvete.

Apologies for the mass mailing, but it's something of an emergency.



I will most likely be unavailable for much of the next few weeks. The company
that recently hired me a few months ago went through a round of layoffs, and
guess who was in those layoffs? Anyhow, I just got word of it today. I'm
going through the motions, contacting recruiters that I stayed in touch with,
et cetera.

At the moment, I'm officially unemployed. I get paid tomorrow, then I get my
last paycheck in two weeks and I better have leads by then. I'm obviously
applying for unemployment insurance in the meantime and my parents are more
than willing to help out, so I am not in danger of serious financial crisis
anytime soon. If I don't get a new job within the next month or two, I will
have to move--most likely to Boston, where they've been fist fighting over IT
resumes--it's as simple as that.

I will be on email often, but I don't know how often. If anything is of the
utmost urgency, please email me in private and indicate so in the subject.
Anyone who's in my area, please contact me online or give me a call or
something, as I would love to go out at night or something, socialize, do the
dinner thing, if nothing else to get my mind off of this.



Prayers to all gods in charge of employment will be sent. Naturally.



Wish me luck,

-Kyrene




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Subject:	[novaroma] Draco's Candidacy
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@-------->
Date:	Thu, 04 Jan 2001 20:40:54 +0200

Salve M. Minuci Audens!

I am struck by the appearance given by your post that the simple
fact that I express my opinions and have confidence in them is
intolerable to you, despite the fact that you in this long post express
your opinions and obviously have great confidence in them. Indeed, you
so express your opinions that obviously *you* think they are right for
all, including my gentilis and me.

Naturally the purpose of senate transparency (which we do not yet
really have yet) is to make senators responsible for their votes and
comments as men and women in public life should reasonably expect. I do
not see any cause for surprise. The fact that they do not have to run
for the senate again does not mean that the rest of us are not
interested in their opinions, words and deeds. They may have, or in the
future run for, other public office, and even as simple senators they
affect all of us. As the system now works, the comments at voting time
are purely optional, and people can choose to remain silent in the
privacy of their own thoughts and motives if they so wish. The fact that
some people chose to make utterances destined for the public means that
they can expect them to be judged and reacted to.

I wish to clarify that in this case I was not denouncing any great
and everlasting wrong as I have had occasion to do in the past, but
simply testifying to my experience of my filius - which is more
extensive than that of almost anyone else knowing him through Nova Roma.
For a paterfamilias to do so is proper.

I accept the fact that the senate did not waive the application of
the law in question - as the law provides for. I do think that that is a
loss for Nova Roma, which could have had a very good aedile, and the one
already voted for by the People. Many other people feel the same and
have expressed their opinion to the same effect, including many not
normally thought of as being my allies. I very much wonder why you
specifically wish to deny *me* the right to express my opinion and are
so surprised that like you and most people in the world I happen to
think my opinions are right!

Vale!

M. Apollonius Formosanus


Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:39:13 -0500 (EST)
From: jmath669642reng@--------
Subject: Draco's Candidacy

Salve, Marcus Appolonius Formosanus;

Once more you come before the Citizens of Nova Roma with your personal
sureity that what you think is right is right for all:

"I thank the majority voting in the Senate who CORRECTLY assessed my
gentilis---" (The capitalization is mine)

I am consistantly surprised by your continued insistance that whatever
your opinions, beliefs, ideas or considerations may be, that they are
what is absolutely right for this micronation and any disagreement with
your view is to immediately to be attacked, regardless of the laws or
rules under which this micronation operates.

You wanted to know the results of the Senate Vote, and insisted on the
reasoning behind the vote, and you now have them. So the first action
that you take with this new information is to attack the Senators with
whom you disagree on this list with a very individual and singular
attitude.

Young Draco and I have discussed a few items and he seems to me to be an

alert young man. His efforts in organization are much applauded, and
his abilities seem to me to be above the average 17 1/2 year old young
man. I have dealt with many such during my years with the BSA and they
brought much honor to themselves and to the organization. However in my

view, young Draco needs exactly the kind of encouragement and guidance
that he is getting here in Nova Roma.

He has a group of friends which support him, and give him opportunities
to further show him how to organize his abilities for both himself and
this mironation. He has tasted the disappointment of not being able to
do as he wishes simply because of his age, which all of us have tasted.
He will, if he is the person I think he is, swallow his disappointment,
learn from it and come back even a better person in all respects than
before.

He does not need someone constantly declaring how wrong those who voted
against his Candidacy were, and how his paterfamilius is always right
and everyone else is wrong.

As my young son used to say to me, "Dad, how come Johnny across the
street can play after dark and I can't." My response being--

"I can't do much about Johnny across the street, but you are going to
bed."

In the same venue, I have nothing to say in regard to my Senatorial
Colleagues and thier decisions. However, my decisions are my own, and I

believe there may be just the slightest possibility than as talented,
active, interesting, and eager as young Draco is--there may just be a
few minor things that this 17 1/2 year old young man has to learn. Of
course there is a Lex in force which the Senate has placed there for a
very good reason, but of course, you will in all probabiity not be
interested in that fact since it does not figure into what you are sure
is right for this micronation, in this particular case.

Frankly, in my view, you would do better for your son to encourage him
to do here as he is able, to contribute without consideration for the
limitations of his age, and to accept the decisions of those elected as
the arbiters of this micronation---the rest of us have to, why not young

Draco?

I see no reason why young Draco should give the lie to a Senator of our
micro-nation, without determining politely whether or not is was a
mistake. I do not care for that kind of response to a Senator.
However, all in all, I think Draco is behaving in this situation better
than his paterfamilius. I am sure that you will bring the comments of
others into this, but as I have said before, I do not speak for them, as

they are mature individuals and have their own minds under our laws, and

young Draco does not. I have chastised those whom I disapprove of in
private, on many occasions, and those who have recieved my criticism
certainly are aware of it.

____________________________________
Draco:

You have just been delivered a disappointment. You will probably not
see it in the way that I do, but it will do more for your growth than 10

victories. If you are the young man I think you are, you will consider
this a challenge. You will continue your work in Nova Roma, and you
will learn in detail those things that you well know that you need to
have at your fingertips. You will modify your speech, and remember that

today's enemy is tomorrow's needed colleague.

You will listen to all those appointed above you, keep your counsel,
until you may speak upon your own, and not with the permission of
others. You will spend this time learning and practising those words,
activities and natures that will stand you in good stead when your age
will no longer be a hinderence to your desired activities. You will
spend this tie wisely and learn the values of the Roman Virtues and
attempt to apply them to every facet of your involvement both here and
elsewhere. In doing that you will see that all have a view, and that
very, very seldom will you find anyone who is ALL wrong or for that
matter, right in every situation.

My young friend, I am one who has handed you your disappointment. I
have an admiration for you and what you have done. I do not however
think you are ready for what you desire. I have stood several times
where you stand now, and in later life realized that those who made the
decisions which at the time disappointed me, had my best interests at
heart. It is my hope that you will come to such a realization as well.
In any event, I wish you well, I hope that you are the person that I
believe you to be, and I hope further, that you will continue to work
within our micronation.

Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
ProConsul et Senator

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: EDICTUM PROPRAETORIS: Lacus Magni joines Limes Cooperation
From:	"Marc " <RexMarcius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 04 Jan 2001 21:18:21 -0000

Welcome to the Limes Co-operation, governor Octavie!

It is good to have another American province joining. Just to let
everybody know: After next weekend I will kick off this year's work
with a list of proposed projects. I would like to see even more
governors then in the loop!

Ave et Vale

Marcus Marcius Rex

--- In novaroma@--------, Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@c...>
wrote:
>
> EX DOMO PROPRAETORIS PROVINCIAE LACUUM MAGNORUM
>
> EDICTUM PROPRAETORIS
>
> I. The Provincia Lacus Magni hereby joins the Limes Cooperation.
>
> II. The co-operation is not restricted in its scope of application
but shall
> cover in particular the following fields:
> a) Provincial infrastructure (e.g. Web-Site development)
> b) Development of common provincial administrative standards
> c) Organisation of conferences and meetings
> d) Co-ordination of research projects of common interest
>
> III. The co-operation shall be implemented by all means necessary
and
> available in an internet environment. In particular a restricted e-
mail-list
> shall be established for this purpose. A scriba shall be
responsible for its
> moderation.
>
> IV. The co-operation is open to all provinces of Nova Roma which
have been
> established by Senatus Consultum. The respective provincial
governor may
> join the co-operation by enactment of an edictum making the co-
operation
> applicable in the respective province.
>
> V. Any disputes arising out of the co-operation shall be settled by
way of
> mediation. A mediator has to be agreed upon by all affected
governors.
>
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
> Propraetor Provinciae Lacuum Magnorum
> pridie non. Ian. MMDCCLIV
>
> ---
> M. Octavius Germanicus
> Propraetor, Lacus Magni
> Curator Araneae et Senator

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Call for applicants to legateship
From:	"George VanDeWater" <vandewge@-------->
Date:	Thu, 04 Jan 2001 16:50:35 -0700

Salve Livia Cornelia Aurelia,

I wish to place myself at your service. I reside in the territory of Austocc. Magna Fossae and am the Parterfamilia of Africanus Secundus. If I can serve the Provincia and the civies, I would be proud to do so.

I will provide any information you request as to my qualification.

Vale, Gaius Africanus Secundus Germanicus


>>> gmvick32@-------- 01/03/01 10:57PM >>>
Salvete, Quirites:

This is to announce that there are two open legateships in
the Provincia America Austroccidentalis which it would be my
pleasure to fill. The legateships are for:

- the territory Austocc. Magna Fossae (states of Arizona and
Utah)
- the territory Austocc. Mons Petrosus (states of Colorado
and New Mexico)

The legates will perform administrative functions inside
their territory, organize local events, and serve as an
advisor to the propraetor in the future plans for the
province.

The legate for a territory MUST reside in one of the states
comprising that territory.

If any cive meets the residency qualification and is
otherwise interested in being considered, please send an
e-mail to me stating the nature of your interest,
qualifications for the position and any similar experience
you've had, your general availability, and how you'd
stimulate local participation in the territory.

Valete,
Livia Cornelia Aurelia
Propraetor, America Austroccidentalis



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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Call for applicants to legateship
From:	"George VanDeWater" <vandewge@-------->
Date:	Thu, 04 Jan 2001 16:51:32 -0700

>>> gmvick32@-------- 01/03/01 10:57PM >>>
Salvete, Quirites:

This is to announce that there are two open legateships in
the Provincia America Austroccidentalis which it would be my
pleasure to fill. The legateships are for:

- the territory Austocc. Magna Fossae (states of Arizona and
Utah)
- the territory Austocc. Mons Petrosus (states of Colorado
and New Mexico)

The legates will perform administrative functions inside
their territory, organize local events, and serve as an
advisor to the propraetor in the future plans for the
province.

The legate for a territory MUST reside in one of the states
comprising that territory.

If any cive meets the residency qualification and is
otherwise interested in being considered, please send an
e-mail to me stating the nature of your interest,
qualifications for the position and any similar experience
you've had, your general availability, and how you'd
stimulate local participation in the territory.

Valete,
Livia Cornelia Aurelia
Propraetor, America Austroccidentalis


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