Subject:	[novaroma] Many thanks from Lucilla Cornelia
From:	LucillaCornelia@--------
Date:	Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:44:56 -0500

Salvete omnes,

Many, many thanks to dear Piscinus for such a warm welcome home. And, again, my heartfelt thanks to all for your many kind wishes during my recovery. Your support has been a bright spot during a very dark time.

And my deepest gratitude to my Pater, Lucius Cornelia Sulla Felix, for extending his welcome home to me earlier this week among our Gens, and for his unfailing support and encouragement during this very challenging time.

In celebration of the many blessings with which the benevolent Fortuna has graced me, my Pater has approved that my name shall now be: Lucilla Prima Cornelia Fortunata.

Again, my thanks for your kind wishes. Gratis pluram ago.

Valete bene,

Lucilla Prima Cornelia Fortunata


novaroma@-------- wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes
>
> With very great pleasure, I am especially pleased today to announce that
> our dearest friend, Lucilla Cornelia Aurelia, has come home and is now
> recovering after her accident this past summer. For the past few days
> Lucilla has been chatting with her sisters and friends, visiting among
> us.
>
> On behalf of Lucilla, I wish to thank every one of you who sent such
> kind messages. Knowing that so many cared for her has meant a great deal
> to her, and has been very beneficial in her progress towards recovery.
> Lucilla's one wish is to return to work. With your prayers and support,
> may she do so very soon.
>
> Omnibus magnas gratias ago. Di vos incolumes custodiant et semper ament.
>
> Valete
>
> Moravius Piscinus
>
--
Lucilla Prima Cornelia Fortunata
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Subject:	[novaroma] Latin Learning Opportunity
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:52:53 +0100

M. Apollonius Formosanus omnibus Civibus Novoromanis S.P.D.

As Praeceptor of the Sodalitas Latinitatis, I have the
responsibility for making Latin study opportunities available to Nova
Roman citizens and others. Many of you will remember that some months
ago I published on this list a series of "Nova Roman Practical Latin"
lessons aimed at presenting materials useful in daily Nova Roman
life. These were well received, but there is a limit to what can be
presented in Latin of a useful (as opposed to a merely interesting)
nature without compelling the student to buckle down and learn the
grammar systematically. For that reason, I let that series come to an
end.

Now we in Nova Roma have several different lists available to us in
different languages. (I am aware of Italian, French, German, and
Dutch, and I believe there is one for Portuguese or Spanish.) This
does not solve our language problem completely, unfortunately, as the
Main List is firmly in the hands of English, despite the occasionaal
(to me welcome) incursions of other languages. That is not convenient
for many people, especially when it comes to actively expressing
oneself as opposed to passively reading.

Although I am also the Moderator (president) of the Sodalitas
Latinitatis, I am not so unrealistic as to propose Latin as the
immediate solution to the problem. Latin is widely supported in Nova
Roma; it is in theory, indeed, our National Language. However,
although Latin is only moderately difficult for speakers of most
European languages (much easier than Classical Greek or Polish for
English speakers, for example), it does require a lot of commitment
in terms of time and energy to learn, and this presents a
considerable barrier to its immediate introduction in real terms as
our primary unifying tongue.

But although it is not feasible right now as THE sollution to our
language problem, it is ONE solution that can make a contribution to
our communications, and one that is especially appropriate for us. I
have myself attended numerous seminars in which international groups
of Latinists from secondary school students through retirees
communicated quite satisfactorily by means of Latin from classroom to
taverna. In writing, as on the internet, it is even easier, and
completely feasible and practical.

I am, therefore, determined to step up our Latin programme with some
innovations.

First, I am founding the Schola Latina list at eGroups. This list
will begin its instructional work by republishing the lessons of NR
Practical Latin at intervals of from one to two weeks. Note that
these are all already available at the Novaroma Main List Site. The
point of this republication is: (1) to provide a bit of discipline
for the learner who wishes to be told and reminded by somebody else
when to study what and to have it served up in manageable pieces, and
(2) to aid the newer cives who were not around when the lessons were
first published without cluttering up the Main List.

By signing up for the Schola Latina list you will be presented with
these materials (again perhaps) at intervals, and then I shall invite
the learners there to ask questions on that list if they should have
any. At the moment one can ask Latin questions here or on the
Latinitas list, but perhaps some people do not wish to ask little
questions in the public forum or questions that appear too elementary
or "stupid" on the Latinitas list. In the Schola even the most
elementary ones, like "What is a declension, really?" or "How do you
say 'I' in Latin?" will be completely appropriate.

I regrettably do not have the time or the help to translate these
learning materials into other languages, although I know that that
would be welcomed by many. However, I will accept questions in any
language in which I am sufficiently competent (French, German,
Italian, Esperanto, Chinese, Japanese) and answer in that language,
or accept questions in languages I lnow less well if I may answer in
another language (Spanish, Ido, Interlingua, Occidental, Novial).

Second, at some point during or not long after this Practical Course
I shall propose the beginning of the trial version of a serious,
full-scale on-line Latin course. This will involve a systematic
learning of all of the basic grammar and a vocabulary appropriate to
practical use, with abundant self-checkable exercises.

Therefore, I invite all Novoromani and interested friends to sign up
for the Schola Latina list. Make the Latin you have always wanted to
learn or to relearn well your project for the new century! The
address of the Schola Latina is:

http://www.egroups.com/group/ScholaLatina

Valete!




Marcus Apollonius Formosanus, CANDIDATUS AEDILICIUS
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae (http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/)
Moderator et Praeceptor Sodalitatis Latinitatis; Scriba Censorius    
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Minervium Virtuale: http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/Minervium.htm
The Gens Apollonia is open to new members.
Ave nostra Respublica Libera - Nova Roma!
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] New Gens Members
From:	"Oppius Flaccus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:34:29 -0800

Salvete Rhea Sertoria et Sextus Sertorius!
Welcome to Nova Roma! We are most glad to
have you! We always need more great cives
in the western provinces.

Valete bene,
-Oppius


-----Original Message-----
From: Quintus Sertorius [mailto:quintus-sertorius@--------]
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 7:11 PM
To: Sertorii@--------; novaroma@--------; NR_CanOcc@--------
Subject: [novaroma] New Gens Members


12 Jan 2001

Salve All

I would like to take this time to welcome the Newest members to my Gens.
First, my mother, Rhea Sertoria, ( I think she is the oldest in Nova Roma
68), and second, my brother Sextus Sertorius. Now when we have a family
gathering I will also have a Nova Roma get together.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius
Propraetor
Canada Occidentalis
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] New Gens Member
From:	"Oppius Flaccus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:37:16 -0800

Hmm...now I'm getting a bit worried! That's a lot of Sertoriae to have
marching
around up there. Just remember Quintus that 7 is a lot of people for the
campaign
sled and the mighty battle dog will not be at all pleased toting such a
large number :-)

Seriously though, congratulations Quintus and WELCOME Flavius Sertorius
Vindex!
Nova Roma is proud to have add another Sertorius to the fold!

Valete bene,
-Oppius
-----Original Message-----
From: Quintus Sertorius [mailto:quintus-sertorius@--------]
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 7:39 PM
To: Sertorii@--------; novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] New Gens Member


12 Jan 2001

The Sertoria Gens has increased once again, I would like it welcome
Flavius Sertorius Vindex, He is our latest newest gens member. Welcome to
the gens, this brings our number to seven sertorii now. I am a proud
pater!!!

Vale

Quintus Sertorius
Propraetor
Canada Occidentalis
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] New Citizen- Quintus Fabius Catulus
From:	"Oppius Flaccus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:39:40 -0800

Salve and welcome Quintus Fabius Catalus! We are most glad
to have you here!

Vale bene,
-Oppius
-----Original Message-----
From: sfp55@-------- [mailto:sfp55@--------]
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 8:39 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] New Citizen- Quintus Fabius Catulus


Salvete
May I introduce my latest gens member Quintus Fabius Catalus.
I am honored to have another Fabii from Italy: Rome. Please make him
welcome
in the Roman community
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus
Paterfamilias, Proconsul, Praetor Urbanus.


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Gens Papiria crescens!
From:	Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@-------->
Date:	Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:58:27 -0800 (PST)

--- Marcus Papirius Justus <papirius@-------->
wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> As paterfamilias of the gens Papiria, I'd like to
> publicly welcome some
> recent (within the last busy month or so) additions
> to our gens:
>
> Gaius Papirius Miles in Canada Occidentalis
> Marcia Papiria Bella in Canada Orientalis
> Marcus Papirius Lupus in Lusitania
> Nicolaus Papirius Cursor in whatever provincia
> embraces modern-day Yugoslavia

Salvete, and welcome to NovaRoma!

There was no province covering Yugoslavia when I left
Bosnia last year...maybe N Papirius will be one to
start one! I hope he's on the NovaRomaVizantia list,
too!

L Aetius Dalmaticus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Many thanks from Lucilla Cornelia
From:	SyanneRose@--------
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 03:11:35 EST

Salve Lucilla,

You must think horrific of me, welcome back dear friend. I would've posted
something sooner, it's just all these e-mails overfloweth my server.
Hopefully we'll be able to have a nice long chat soon, give me time to play
"catch up" for a few days.


Bene Vale,
Aeternia *the cranky*

Subject:	[novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
From:	Gian G Reali <piscinus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 06:10:03 -0800

EX DOMO TRIBUNORUM PLEBIUM

Salvete Quirites

Re: Last call for candidates to announce their intention to stand for
Aedilis Plebis.

Nominations for the ofice of Aedilis Plebis shall close on Thurs 18
January at 12:00 Midnight Roma (6:00 PM EDST). Plebeians wishing to run
for this office may announce their candidacy in the Forum Romanum main
list and/or to the Comitia Plebis Tributa list before the end of Thursday
18 January 2754 AUC.

Plebiscita to be brought before the Comitia Plebis Tributa shall be
posted to the Comitia on Thursday 18 January at

http://egroups.com/messages/comitiaplebistributa

All Plebeian cives are encouraged to subscribe to their Comitia's list.
All others are welcomed to subscribe.

Voting in the tribes shall begin on the candidates for Aedilis Plebis
and on all plebiscita on Saturday 20 January at 00:01 Roma (6:01 PM EDST)
and end on Tuesday 30 January at 12:00 Midnight Roma (6:00 PM EDST) 2754
AUC. Location of the cista shall be posted on the 19 January prior to
its opening for the vote.

Curate ut valeatis

Tribuni Plebis T. Labienus Fortunatus et Cn. Moravius Piscinus

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:15:15 -0600 (CST)

Salvete Tribunes,

> Plebiscita to be brought before the Comitia Plebis Tributa shall be
> posted to the Comitia on Thursday 18 January at
>
> Voting in the tribes shall begin on the candidates for Aedilis Plebis
> and on all plebiscita on Saturday 20 January at 00:01 Roma (6:01 PM EDST)

You're leaving less than two days between posting of the proposals
and the start of voting? And posting the proposals to a sparsely-populated
satellite list instead of the main mailing list?

This looks very much like you're trying to get something pushed through
the Comitia with as much secrecy as possible.

Why not post them here, now, for open debate?

Valete, Octavius.

--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneae et Senator

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
From:	gmvick32@--------
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:20:08 -0700

I don't see how this is any different, and perhaps more liberal, than standard
election operation procedure. We certainly never saw the Lex Fabia that was
voted on for debate prior to the December election.

Livia


Marcus Octavius Germanicus wrote:

> Salvete Tribunes,
>
> > Plebiscita to be brought before the Comitia Plebis Tributa shall be
> > posted to the Comitia on Thursday 18 January at
> >
> > Voting in the tribes shall begin on the candidates for Aedilis Plebis
> > and on all plebiscita on Saturday 20 January at 00:01 Roma (6:01 PM EDST)
>
> You're leaving less than two days between posting of the proposals
> and the start of voting? And posting the proposals to a sparsely-populated
> satellite list instead of the main mailing list?
>
> This looks very much like you're trying to get something pushed through
> the Comitia with as much secrecy as possible.
>
> Why not post them here, now, for open debate?
>
> Valete, Octavius.
>
> --
> M. Octavius Germanicus
> Propraetor, Lacus Magni
> Curator Araneae et Senator

Subject:	[novaroma] CANADA OCCIDENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER NINE
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:48:28 -0600

CANADA OCCIDENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER NINE
ESTABLISHMENT OF NEWSLETTER FOR CANADAOCCIDENATLIS

14 Jan 2001

Salve

I, Quintus Sertorius, Praetor Canada Occidentalis, issue the following Edicta to announce the Establishment of an Newsletter for Canada Occidentalis. This Newsletter has been set up to serve the citizens of CO through announcements of events, articles on issues particular to our Provincia and issues dealing with Nova Roma, and other forms of information. All citizens are invited to read this newsletter and contribute. This will at first consist in an email format, and then will be followed by hard copies that will be distributed throughout the Provincia. The Newsletter will be circulated once per month.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius
Propraetor
Canada Occidentalis
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Subject:	[novaroma] Ad Octavius Re: Last Call
From:	Gian G Reali <piscinus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:56:42 -0800

Salvete Marce Octavi et alii

Octavius scripsit:
"You're leaving less than two days between posting of the proposals
and the start of voting? And posting the proposals to a
sparsely-populated
satellite list instead of the main mailing list?

This looks very much like you're trying to get something pushed through
the Comitia with as much secrecy as possible.

Why not post them here, now, for open debate?

Valete, Octavius.

I agree with your sentiment, and my colleague and i are attempting to
address it. But the fact is that this is what is required because Vedius
wrote it into law that way. The Lex Vedius de Ratione Comitiorum Plebis
Tributorum stipulates, "C. Voting on the proposal shall begin the day
following the publication of the proposal." Actually by playing a little
with the official time of Nova Roma being set at the time in Rome itself,
and loosely reading the provisions so that it conforms to the time I will
open the polls, Fri 19 Jan at 6:01 PM EDST where I am, so that we can
have a little longer to debate before the polls actually open.

One of the plebiscita we are offering speaks directly to this matter so
that we can not only have longer periods to debate a proposed
plebiscitum, but also to allow the plebeian cives to initiate discussion
on the CPT that could lead to plebiscita.

Why post on the CPT and not the main list? Vedius again wrote (V.A)
"The presiding magistrate (defined as the tribune of the plebs who called
the comitia plebs tributa to a vote) shall, in a public forum (such as
the official email list, the official web site, or other venues which
shall be provided for the purpose) convene the comitia and publish one or
more of the following..." The CPT list was set up LAST year, by the
PREVIOUS Tribuni Plebis as the official email list for the Comitia Plebis
Tributa. Fortunatus and I were the Tribunes who then made that list open
to all cives for public viewing. Under the law as it is currently
written by Vedius we have to use the CPT list. Simple as that.

Certainly any plebiscita would be of interest to all cives, not just the
Plebeians who are to vote on them. That is one reason why we did open
the CPT list. We will post to the main list any plebiscitum approved by
the comitia. The plebiscita are for the CPT to consider alone, so for
now they are not an issue that needs to be addressed on the main list.
Discussion of the plebiscita can be carried on at the CPT without
disrupting the main list. Any and all who are interested in subscribing
to the list to discuss this matter, the plebiscita themselves, or to make
proposals for additional plebiscita, are invited to subscribe to
http://www.egroups.com/messages/comitiaplebistributa

I shall again be in the Comitia Plebis chat room this Wednesday from
4:00 PM to 6:00 PM EDST ( or 10:00 PM to 12:00 Midnight in Rome). If
anyone wants to discuss anything with their Tribunus Plebis you are
welcome to join me then at the chat room addy:
http://mercury.beseen.com/chat/rooms/y/17189/ My colleague, Tite
Labienus will try to arrange for himself to be in the Comitia Plebis chat
room on Tuesdays (I shall probably show up too) as a continuing effort to
make the Tribunes available to ALL citizens of Nova Roma.

Di consentes nos servent. Nova Roma Libera semper vivat.

Cn Moravius Piscinus
Tribunus Plebis

Subject:	[novaroma] The Propraetor Britanniae performs a U-turn
From:	"Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:51:49 -0000

EX DOMO PROPRAETORIS BRITANNIAE

Scripsit Procurator meus (who, while I still have some imperium in
Britannia, is going to be sent on a very important mission to Ultima Thule
to investigate the feasibility of converting the local seaweed and
gull-droppings into fertiliser as a vital part of the Five Year Plan For
Radish Harvest Maximisation):

> Ooh, a mild difference of opinion between Propraetor and Procurator. We'll
> have the Eceni up in revolt again next. Remember Catus Decianus!

(Note: Catus Decianus was Procurator Britanniae during the Boudicca Revolt.
See Tacitus, Agricola 15, Annales XIV. 32; Epitome Dionis Cassii LXII, 1-2).
The trouble with Boudicca and that Iceni business was, in my opinion, due to
precisely the sort of thing that current proposals could facilitate:
organising the locals into civitates peregrinii without proper supervision
at the appropriate level. It made them rather resistant to taxation by the
central government.

> Typical bloody architect! Any path, even if it isn't straight, is better
than
> no path for some people (providing it's constructed out of the right
> material!). It can be just as easy to move a path after it has been laid.

Seriously, mi Bicurrate, I can appreciate your point. It would be extremely
unfortunate if one of my litter-bearers were to slip in the unpaved expanse
of mud, and jolt me out into it. And notwithstanding that, there can be
little dignitas in being identifiable as a provincial official because one's
toga is not covered in sh*t like everyone else's. We must pave the ways, as
you say.

I recall now that my illustrious propraetorial precursor, your mater, did
actually make some provision for each Legatus Regionis in Britannia to
appoint officers in charge of co-ordinating local populations as the need
arose. This is an extract from:

http://www.egroups.com/messages/britannia/58

"Should individual Legati consider it useful or
necessary in the future, they may recommend to the
Praetor Britanniae that magistrates to be known as
'Praefecti' (singular = 'Praefectus') should be
appointed to administer the Nova Roman populations of
individual towns or counties. The Legati may either
recommend suitable candidates for these offices from
amongst all citizens resident in the relevant town or
county, or may ask the Praetor to invite offers of
candidacy from amongst the same citizens. The
candidate chosen may then be recommended to the Senate
as a Praefectus by the Praetor Britanniae. Precise
rules and recommendations concerning the office of
Praefectus must be formulated by the Praetor
Britanniae at some time before the first Praefectus
shall be appointed."

Now Aprica referred to this as a 'proposal', but as far as I am concerned it
carries all the force of an intentional edictum propraetoris. I like the
supervisory element in this, the clearly-laid-out chain of responsibilities.
Let us reintroduce the general idea to the cives Britanniae, and invite
applications (many cives Britanniae will not have seen this thread, as they
don't subscribe to the Main List). If no interest manifests, I can always
say to you and Germanicus, "I told you so", but if there is interest, I will
admit you are both right without too much pouting. If there is no interest,
of course, we can still at least put something in place for posterity to
think about.

The Thule posting was just my little joke, BTW. Mi Severe Bicurrate, I thank
you as always for your diligence and common sense, which sometimes exceeds
that of your Propraetor.

Bene valete,

N. Moravius Vado
Propraetor Britanniae.


> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:21:13 EST
> From: BICURRATUS@--------
> Subject: Re: A Propraetor's Responsibility (olim Local Groups & Provincial
...
>
> EX DOMO PROCURATORIS BRITANNIAE
>
> Ooh, a mild difference of opinion between Propraetor and Procurator. We'll
> have the Eceni up in revolt again next. Remember Catus Decianus!
>
> First, a comment on the anecdote. Can appreciate the sentiment but a
wrankle
> from a very personal point of view. No criticism towards you, Vado. Comes
> from bad experiences with architects.
>
> > The architect said: "Just as soon as I see the paths that people make by
> > walking across the grass, I will lay the paving in the directions they
> > evidently wish to take."
> >
>
> Typical bloody architect! Any path, even if it isn't straight, is better
than
> no path for some people (providing it's constructed out of the right
> material!). It can be just as easy to move a path after it has been laid.
>
> I'm wondering though whether citizens will be proactive enough in
organising
> or would they prefer to have a model to follow? Groups of cives already
have
> informal gatherings but where next? To my mind there seems a huge gulf
> between Governors and their deputies and the cives provinciae because
there
> is nothing formal inbetween them at present.
>
> Even if the 'path' isn't great, at least it's laid out and lighted rather
> than them slipping in the mud in the dark.
>
> Publius Claudius Lucentius Severus Bicurratus
> Procurator Britanniae

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Ad Octavius Re: Last Call
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:26:17 -0600 (CST)

Salve Gnae Moravi,

> Why not post them here, now, for open debate?
>
> I agree with your sentiment, and my colleague and i are attempting to
> address it. But the fact is that this is what is required because Vedius
> wrote it into law that way.

True; I consulted this lex, with the aim toward using it to demand a
longer debate period - and found out that the contio and the voting
period are to take place simultaneously. Thus, your schedule is
legal.

But would you be so kind as to list the laws, and give summaries
of them, here, so that we can have more time to debate? Nothing
in the Lex Vedia forbids advance discussion before the official
contio.

I would hope that an intelligent voter would read the debates and
vote near the end of the voting period, rather than at the beginning.

> One of the plebiscita we are offering speaks directly to this matter so
> that we can not only have longer periods to debate a proposed
> plebiscitum, but also to allow the plebeian cives to initiate discussion
> on the CPT that could lead to plebiscita.

Excellent.

> Under the law as it is currently
> written by Vedius we have to use the CPT list. Simple as that.

You can, of course, post it simultaneously to both places.

Vale, Octavius.


--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneae et Senator

Subject:	[novaroma] Hello
From:	allan001@--------
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:36:31 -0200

Hello

I'm kinda new. i just got admitted as a itizen and im happy to be
here. I am a resident of Canada Orientalis and my name is
Marcus Drusillus Scaevola. Just wanted to drop a note saying hi to
everyone.

P.S. im just new at this so i apologize in advance for any faux paus
i might have perpatrated

--
9 out of 10 doctors say the 10th doctor should mellow out.

Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Ad Octavius Re: Last Call
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:41:42 -0500

Salvete;

Just to clear up a few misunderstandings on the part of our good Tribune...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gian G Reali [mailto:piscinus@--------]
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:57
>
> I agree with your sentiment, and my colleague and i are attempting to
> address it. But the fact is that this is what is required because Vedius
> wrote it into law that way. The Lex Vedius de Ratione Comitiorum Plebis
> Tributorum stipulates, "C. Voting on the proposal shall begin the day
> following the publication of the proposal."

If you read the entire context of the lex in question, nothing prevents you
from posting the complete text of any proposal prior to calling for an
official vote. The Lex Vedius de Ratione Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum
stipulates procedures only for the official calling of the vote. Informal
discussion (i.e., discussion done outside the context of an official call
for a vote) may of course take place at any time. Feel free to post your
proposed Plebiscita for informal discussion any time, but just make sure you
re-publish them when the vote is officially called.

> Why post on the CPT and not the main list? Vedius again wrote (V.A)
> "The presiding magistrate (defined as the tribune of the plebs who called
> the comitia plebs tributa to a vote) shall, in a public forum (such as
> the official email list, the official web site, or other venues which
> shall be provided for the purpose) convene the comitia and publish one or
> more of the following..."
<snip>
> Under the law as it is currently
> written by Vedius we have to use the CPT list. Simple as that.

Your own quote of the law in question and your last statement do not agree.
The law states "...a public forum (such as the official email list... or
other venues...". Sounds plain enough to me; you have a choice to use this
list or the CPT list. You choose to utilize a much more limited and closed
forum to hold your vote. I think that's an unfortunate choice on your part
(especially since one must be approved to join your "open" list), but it is
your choice to make.

> Discussion of the plebiscita can be carried on at the CPT without
> disrupting the main list.

Considering that plebiscita could (and doubtless will) have an impact on all
Cives, not just Plebeians, I am sure that almost everyone here would welcome
such discussion, and not see such as "disruption".

I hope that clears up a few points of law for our well-meaning Tribune.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org

Subject:	[novaroma] List Topics (Admin comment)
From:	"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:51:40 -0500

Salve,

I have seen enough comments in recent months (dating back prior to elections
actually) regarding what *is* and *isn't* appropriate for the main list that
I feel it is wise to address this matter very early in my term of office.

The purpose of this list is to provide an open forum for all citizens on all
topics that pertain to Nova Roma. This may include, but is not limited to,
discussions of politics on ALL sides of an issue, languages, foods, ancient
forms of transportation, etc etc. Suffice it to say that as long as the
posting is related in some way to our nation, our citizens or our interests
it is welcome here.

Without going into specifics or singling out any one incident, I have seen
several citizens make the statement that this or that topic would be
"better" discussed elsewhere or on a private list. I would respectfully
remind those who make such statements that, as Curatrix Sermonem, it falls
to me to make such judgment calls. For private citizens to state that
certain topics or discussions should not be made here in our main public
forum is misleading and leads to some degree of confusion.

Please understand that this message is not intended in any way to infringe
on those who choose to hold private discussions or to form certain special
interest lists. I absolutely support that some special interests are
well-served with extended discussion groups elsewhere. That is a different
matter entirely and in NO way indicates that discussion of those topics is
NOT welcome here on the main list as well. What I *am* addressing is that
the moderation of this main forum falls to my elected position and I must
request that those who make claims about what is and isn't appropriate here
refrain from such comments.

If, at any time, a thread begins or a post is made which any of you have a
concern about or do question the appropriateness of, I am always available
to discuss the issue. I can also assure you that I keep a close eye on the
list and will not hesitate to intervene IF inappropriate material surfaces.
When in doubt about a topic (either one you wish to start or one you are
seeing in progress), please contact me and I will be happy to advise you on
the matter.

I thank each of you in advance for your cooperation in this matter.

Vale,

Priscilla Vedia Serena
Curatrix Sermonem
mailto: justicecmo@--------

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Hello
From:	"Caius Flavius Diocletianus" <3s@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:16:27 +0100

Salve, Marce Drusille Scaevola.

Welcome to Nova Roma. You will see: Nova Roma is a place worth to live in
:-).

Bene Vale
Caius Flavius Diocletianus



----- Original Message -----
From: <allan001@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 2:36 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Hello


> Hello
>
> I'm kinda new. i just got admitted as a itizen and im happy to be
> here. I am a resident of Canada Orientalis and my name is
> Marcus Drusillus Scaevola. Just wanted to drop a note saying hi to
> everyone.
>
> P.S. im just new at this so i apologize in advance for any faux paus
> i might have perpatrated
>
> --
> 9 out of 10 doctors say the 10th doctor should mellow out.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Subject:	[novaroma] Edictum Propraetoris Britanniae
From:	"Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:14:26 -0000

EX DOMO PROPRAETORIS BRITANNIAE

Nicolaus Moravius popularibus suis Novae Romae plurimam salutem dat

I. LEGATUS BRITANNIAE MERIDIANALIS

It is with reluctance that I accept the resignation of Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus as Legatus Britanniae Meridianalis. Until such time as a suitable appointment is made, I shall fulfill the duties of this post.

II. LEGATUS BRITANNIAE MEDIAE

Appius Claudius Lucentius Nigellus has indicated to me that, while he is content to continue
in the office of Legatus of this Regio, he wishes to be relieved of this additional burden as soon as another Legatus can be found. Applications for the office are hereby invited from citizens resident in the Regio. Until such time as a suitable appointment is made, Appius Claudius Lucentius Nigellus is hereby confirmed and prorogued in his tenure of this office.

III. LEGATUS BRITANNIAE CALEDONIAE

Since this Regio is now blessed with a civilian population, applications are invited from citizens resident in the Regio.

IV. LEGATUS BRITANNIAE CYMRICAE

Appius Claudius Lucentius Nigellus is hereby confirmed and prorogued in his tenure of this office.

V. LEGATUS BRITANNIAE SEPTENTRIONALIS

Augusta Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia is hereby confirmed and prorogued in her tenure of this office.

VI. SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS BRITANNIAE

Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus is hereby confirmed and prorogued in his tenure of this office.

VII. PRAEFECTUS AERARII BRITANNIAE

Publius Claudius Lucentius Severus Bicurratus is hereby confirmed and prorogued in his tenure of this office.

VIII. PROCURATOR BRITANNIAE

Publius Claudius Lucentius Severus Bicurratus is hereby confirmed and prorogued in his tenure of this office.

EXPLICIT EDICTUM PROPRAETORIS

I would like to take this opportunity to express publicly my thanks to all those aforementioned, whose diligent assistance, advice and friendship over the past year has been inestimable to me, and to Britannia and our respublica alike. Bene unicuique!

Vivat Britannia! Vivat Respublica Romae renata nostra!

N. Moravius Vado
Propraetor Britanniae.



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Subject:	[novaroma] Now We Are Six
From:	"Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:34:15 -0000

Popularibus salutem

Aletheia Moravia and I are pleased to announce the adoptio of the sixth member of our gens, Lucius Moravius Messala. Doubtless he will introduce himself when he feels ready.

Valete

N. Moravius Vado
Paterfamilias gentilis Moraviae.


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Subject:	[novaroma] Call for Candidates: Quaestores
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:28:29 -0500

Salvete, Omnes;

As you all know, there are two open positions for the office of Quaestor, a
condition left by a peculiarity of our current voting system after last
month's election. In keeping with our duty under paragraph IV.A. of the
Constitution, the Comitia Populi Tributa shall be called before the end of
this month to fill these vacancies. The exact date of the election (and call
for a vote on several matters which have been the subject of informal
discussion here; more details to be forthcoming) is still being determined;
an announcement on the exact date will be made as soon as possible.

All those who are interested in running for, and legally able to hold, the
office of Quaestor are asked to contact the Consuls as soon as possible
(consuls@--------), and are encouraged to allow the People to get to
know them better through the campaign process.

I would add on a personal note that I hope those candidates who failed to
win a full tribe in December's elections will choose to stand for the office
again and offer to serve our Republic.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Local Groups
From:	SyanneRose@--------
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:15:10 EST

Salve Consul Germanicus et alii,

First off, I would like to thank the Senior Consul for his ideas, so many
points were made I'm not sure where to begin. As a citizen of the America
Austrorientalis Provincia, I would like to volunteer myself to help
co-ordinate events in my region if it is allowed. I am also hoping to suggest
the idea of creating an e-list for the Austrorientalis Pronvincia, that would
a great starting point in my opinion. Another thing I wanted to speak on, was
the site for the Provincia created by Propraetrix Minervina Iuncundia
Flavia, is no longer existing. Well that's what my screen told me when I
attempted to visit the site a couple weeks ago, has the addy been changed
perhaps? Some things that have been on my mind recently, any feedback would
be appreciated.

Vale,
Aeternia

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: NR flags
From:	cassius622@--------
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:40:11 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "Daniel Gabriele" <praetor@c...> wrote:
> I also e-mail you about a flag, but you never responded.

Salve,

This is entirely possible. I get emails about flags fairly
constantly. If inquiries come in during times when I'm busy, or even
away for a few days, they can be lost in my "in" box.

My sincere apologies to you, and anyone else out there that may not
have gotten a response in regard to Nova Roma flags! Advice: If you
don't hear from me in response to a first inquiry, please do email
again. I'm not ignoring you intentionally. I can't think of the last
time I declined to answer an email on purpose.

However, I again point out that it is not necessary to Email and
reserve each individual flag, or to check if the prices and shipping
info on the website are current. The info in the Macellum section of
the website IS current, and will continue to be so. Flags will be in
stock on an ongoing basis. We will not run out. Even if you order a
dozen flags at a time! (Here's hoping...)

But there's an exception to every rule of course. Citizens living
outside the US are very cordially invited to Email, since there is
no "one rate" for overseas shipping. Postal rates vary wildly between
say, Argentina and Zimbabwe! ;) For overseas orders I have to go to
the post office and get an individal quote for the shipping costs.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Last Call for Candidates
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:48:36 -0800

The Lex Fabia was available in the Tabularium once the Senate voted a Senatus
Consultum. All you needed to do was to check the Tabularium.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor of Nova Roma

gmvick32@-------- wrote:

> I don't see how this is any different, and perhaps more liberal, than standard
> election operation procedure. We certainly never saw the Lex Fabia that was
> voted on for debate prior to the December election.
>
> Livia
>
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus wrote:
>
> > Salvete Tribunes,
> >
> > > Plebiscita to be brought before the Comitia Plebis Tributa shall be
> > > posted to the Comitia on Thursday 18 January at
> > >
> > > Voting in the tribes shall begin on the candidates for Aedilis Plebis
> > > and on all plebiscita on Saturday 20 January at 00:01 Roma (6:01 PM EDST)
> >
> > You're leaving less than two days between posting of the proposals
> > and the start of voting? And posting the proposals to a sparsely-populated
> > satellite list instead of the main mailing list?
> >
> > This looks very much like you're trying to get something pushed through
> > the Comitia with as much secrecy as possible.
> >
> > Why not post them here, now, for open debate?
> >
> > Valete, Octavius.
> >
> > --
> > M. Octavius Germanicus
> > Propraetor, Lacus Magni
> > Curator Araneae et Senator

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Local Groups
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:17:58 -0000

Salve Aeternia,
I also reside in the Austrorientalis Pronvincia. The Provinical site
has some definite cproblems. It was down most of the week, working
this past weekend and is down again today. When it was working it
looked like it hadn't been updated for a long time. It only lists 13
citizens as belonging to the Provincia.

Vale,
Lucius Sicinius Drusus

--- In novaroma@--------, SyanneRose@c... wrote:
> Salve Consul Germanicus et alii,
>
> First off, I would like to thank the Senior Consul for his ideas, so
many
> points were made I'm not sure where to begin. As a citizen of the
America
> Austrorientalis Provincia, I would like to volunteer myself to help
> co-ordinate events in my region if it is allowed. I am also hoping
to suggest
> the idea of creating an e-list for the Austrorientalis Pronvincia,
that would
> a great starting point in my opinion. Another thing I wanted to
speak on, was
> the site for the Provincia created by Propraetrix Minervina
Iuncundia
> Flavia, is no longer existing. Well that's what my screen told me
when I
> attempted to visit the site a couple weeks ago, has the addy been
changed
> perhaps? Some things that have been on my mind recently, any
feedback would
> be appreciated.
>
> Vale,
> Aeternia

Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Gens Papiria crescens!
From:	"Oppius Flaccus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:55:23 -0800

A healthy Salvete all the new Papiriae and welcome to Nova Roma!
We are most glad to have you here!

Valebe bene,
-Oppius
-----Original Message-----
From: Marcus Papirius Justus [mailto:papirius@--------]
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 3:52 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Gens Papiria crescens!


Salvete,

As paterfamilias of the gens Papiria, I'd like to publicly welcome some
recent (within the last busy month or so) additions to our gens:

Gaius Papirius Miles in Canada Occidentalis
Marcia Papiria Bella in Canada Orientalis
Marcus Papirius Lupus in Lusitania
Nicolaus Papirius Cursor in whatever provincia embraces modern-day
Yugoslavia


Macte virtute pietate!!!

Marcus Papirius Justus


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Hello
From:	allan001@--------
Date:	Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:24:55 -0200

Caius Flavius Diocletianus wrote:

> Salve, Marce Drusille Scaevola.
>
> Welcome to Nova Roma. You will see: Nova Roma is a place worth to live in
> :-).
>
> Bene Vale
> Caius Flavius Diocletianus\

thank you for the warm welcom and i cannot wait to become a part of this
community


--
Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defence.