| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Basilica |
| From: |
"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:06:23 -0500 |
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A wonderful idea for Nova Roma. Thank you, Lucius Sicinius Drusus, for
taking the considerable time & effort I know is involved in such a project.
Helena Galeria
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Inquisitio Secudus pro =?iso-8859-1?Q?Qu=E6stura=21?= |
| From: |
Piparskegg UllRsson <catamount_grange@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:26:22 -0600 |
|
Avete Omnes!
I stand before you once again, in borrowed Toga. (How do you Romans keep these things on!?)
I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator, once again ask, to be considered as a candidate for the office of
Quæstor.
Citizen since Quintilis MMDCCLI AUC.
Served twice as Quæstor, completing several special research projects.
Gens raised from Plebian to Patrician Class, a great honor.
Founded and heads the Sodalis pro Coqueror et Coquus, plus it e-mail list.
Took up the reins of the Laci Magus list when the previous Proprætor unexpectedly resigned.
Appointed Legate for Laci Magnus Occidentalis.
Contributed thoughts or suggestions to discussions as I thought worthy or appropriate.
I am also Steven P. Robinson. 43 years of age, 17 1/2 years into my one and only marriage, to my
college sweetheart.
Associate of Arts degree in Business Studies, plus professional certificates: construction
technology, communications technology and gun smithing.
Technical Sales specialist for a sporting goods store in the hunting and Non-Hunting shooting sports
area.
Long time re-enactor: 2nd Century Roman-Britain to US Civil War period, concentrating on the "Dark
Ages" to early "Medieval" period.
Germanic Heathen or Asatrúar, who is assisting the local Pagan group get their legs under them.
Worked at three different museums.
Veteran of service in the Army National Guard and US Air Force Reserve.
Former Boy Scout and leader.
Worked at everything from landscaping services to dishwashing to custom building - installing
windows & doors to supervising a 300 member department in an electronics plant.
Think of myself as courteous, well read, versatile and helpful
If anyone should like more detail, email me in private and I shall endeavor to answer, unless I deem
the question is aimed at too private an area of my life experience.
--
===========================================
In Amicus sub Fidelis, Benedicte Omnes!
- Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
Cives, Paterfamilias Gens Ulleria
Legate, Dominus Sodalis, Quæstor Emeritus
My homestead
http://www.geocities.com/piparskegg/index.html
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Basilica |
| From: |
allan001@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:20:22 -0200 |
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Teleri ferch Nyfain wrote:
> A wonderful idea for Nova Roma. Thank you, Lucius Sicinius Drusus, for
> taking the considerable time & effort I know is involved in such a project.
>
> Helena Galeria
there should definatly be some sort of award for citizens who do such things
above and beyond the call of duty for the community.
i for one cannot wait for this to come out.
Marcus Drusillus Scaevola
--
Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defence.
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Re: Basilica |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:37:19 -0500 |
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Salvete;
> -----Original Message-----
> From: allan001@-------- [mailto:allan001@--------]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 7:20 PM
>
> there should definatly be some sort of award for citizens who do such
things
> above and beyond the call of duty for the community.
> i for one cannot wait for this to come out.
Personally, I see this as a perfect opportunity for the Senate to employ the
"other" category to award some extra Century Points. Once the project is
complete, of course. :-)
I think this is a terrific idea, and I am glad to see it brought to maturity
on my watch. I look forward to seeing what progress is made as the weeks
wear on.
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Basilica |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 17 Jan 2001 04:29:29 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, "Flavius Vedius Germanicus"
<germa--------s@--------> wrote:
> Salvete;
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: alla--------@-------- [mailto:alla--------@--------]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 7:20 PM
> >
> > there should definatly be some sort of award for citizens who do
such
> things
> > above and beyond the call of duty for the community.
> > i for one cannot wait for this to come out.
>
> Personally, I see this as a perfect opportunity for the Senate to
employ the
> "other" category to award some extra Century Points. Once the
project is
> complete, of course. :-)
>
> I think this is a terrific idea, and I am glad to see it brought to
maturity
> on my watch. I look forward to seeing what progress is made as the
weeks
> wear on.
>
> Valete,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
>
> email: germa--------s@--------
> AIM: Flavius Vedius
> www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
Salvete,
I,ve just uploaded a screen shot of Basilica. It still needs a lot of
work, but this should give you an idea of where I'm going with this.
Look in the Basilica folder under files in this group.
There is one thing all citizens can help with. Bookmarks. There will
be a set of default bookmarks that will be installed with a new
instalation, if a Netscape browser isn't allready present. If you know
of a really great Roman site that you would like to see in the default
bookmarks, let me know. For you IE users, it also will import all of
your IE Favorites, so you'll be able to use them in Basilica.
Vale,
Lucius Sicinius Drusus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Gens Constantinia, a greeting and an introduction |
| From: |
Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:53:56 -0800 (PST) |
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Well done!
L Aetius Dalmaticus
--- Domitius Constantinus Fuscus <flyke@-------->
wrote:
> Salvete
>
> I seize the chance given by the last post of the
> Censor to greet everyone
> on the behalf of my gens.
>
> Quite amazingly, founded months ago, gens
> Constantinia passed from 1 to 6
> and a half (for one member is pending the approval
> of his parents) in a
> matter of 15 days... which creates a bit of problems
> on the internal
> organization but that, quite incredibly, makes us
> one of the largest
> plebeian gentes.
>
> After a time of internal organization, I do hope my
> gens will be able to
> partecipate actively to the life of the res publica
> and bring in its own
> contributions.
>
> Is with pleasure that I therefore introduce to you
> teh other members of my gens
>
> Publius Constantinus Lucius
> Publius Constantinus Costantinus (still pending
> approval by the censor)
> Gaius Constantinus Fuscus
> Maximus Constantinus Decimo Meridio
> Lucius Constantinus Enobardo (pending approval of
> his parents and the censors)
> Sempronia Constantinia Silla
>
> valete
>
> Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
>
>
=====
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Gens Aelia |
| From: |
Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:55:17 -0800 (PST) |
|
Welcome to NovaRoma!
L Aetius Dalmaticus
--- Razenna <razenna@--------> wrote:
> Salvete, Quirites.
>
> I wish to announce that gens Aelia has two new
> family members,
> Tiberius Aelius Allectus Pertinax
> et
> Vibius Aelius Scipio,
> both of Provinica California.
> May they find Nova Roma rewarding and friendly.
>
> Valete.
> C. Aelius Ericius.
> Paterfamilias gens Aelia.
>
>
=====
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HQ USAREUR/7A
CMR 420, BOX 2839
APO AE 09063-2839
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] new citizen |
| From: |
Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:54:18 -0800 (PST) |
|
Welcome!
L Aetius Dalmaticus
--- quintus_lutatius_catulus@-------- wrote:
> Hi all
> I'm happy to be a new citizen, Quintus Lutatius
> Catulus
>
> si tu bene valeas ego bene valeo
>
>
>
=====
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HQ USAREUR/7A
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The New Guy... |
| From: |
Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:00:03 -0800 (PST) |
|
Welcome to NovaRoma!
L Aetius Dalmaticus
--- Syphax the venaliccii
<syphax_venaliccii@--------> wrote:
> Salve fellow New Romans! I am Publius Gramatinicus
> Albinus! I wish the best of everything for everyone,
> and hope you all well.
>
>
> pax et lux,
> Publius Gramatinicus Albinus
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.
> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
>
=====
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HQ USAREUR/7A
CMR 420, BOX 2839
APO AE 09063-2839
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Provincial Communications (was novaroma]from the American Austrorientlis...) |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:59:01 -0600 |
|
Salve Quirites,
-----Original Message-----
From: sfp55@-------- [mailto:sfp55@--------]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 2:06 AM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma]from the American Austrorientlis Provincia Propraetor
<snippage>
<<Salve Lucius Sicinius Drusus
M. Iucundia Flavia has been having computer problems. That is why her
participation is so sporadic. She told me this evening via landline that she
would "update the site on Wednesday evening and then send out a message to
that effect..."
I'm sure if you waited this long, you can wait another 2 days
The Senator and Propraetor has been with NR since its inception. Any Edicta
she issued were certainly not recent...She did vote in the last election,
she
messed up her code and did not know it. I did the same thing two elections
ago. It happens >>
OFS: First off, I want to be clear in stating that no disrespect is meant
to
M. Iucundia Flavia in my comments here. As this particular communication
situation is all too common in many of our provinces, I've taken
the liberty of using this particular instance as an example, so
that perhaps some universal agreements can be forged as to what
constitutes a good and proper channel for provincial communications.
I humbly and respectfully submit that having a Propraetor, Praetor
or other senior provincial official *disappear*, or to even be *perceived*
as having disappeared from a province is in my mind not acceptable;
especially in an advancing nation of 700+ cives. This relates back to
some previous postings I made regarding Internet-based communications.
We all know that such communications channels are far from perfect and that
in fact, computer problems do occur. Most if not all of us have likely
experienced some level of computer outage and can fully empathize with
how traumatic and isolating they can be.
That being said, I think this highlights the need for a clear communications
channel to be available in the provinces to deal with such situations
in the future. If a Propraetor or other senior provincial official incurs
some level of communications outage; be it computer, phone, power; whatever,
this needs to be communicated ASAP to the Legates or next level of
appointed official, who in turn communicates the status to the all the
affected cives and Senate. I believe in not doing so, we are advocating
that cives and provincial institutions are really not that important
and that the cives that live therein are not valued very highly. I again
do not mean this as an individual indictment to anyone, only as a general
statement of concern.
As I am not a provincial official, I can but suggest and offer commentary
as a civus in a very inactive province myself. I don't by any means have
all the answers, but might suggest the following as a starting point
for discussion:
1-Provincial official becomes aware of a potential or actual communications
problem. (This includes computer-based communications, phone outages;
long-term electrical outages; personal tragedies; health issues;etc.)
2-Provincial official communicates this situation via their next in command;
or if the official in question is a Legate, Scribus/Scriba or next-rung
official, then they communicate with the Propraetor via one of the next
available forms of communication:
-Other computer. Library, public facilities, airports; etc. all typically
have computing facilities available either for no cost, or for a small
fee. There are also neighbors, relatives, friends, etc. This begs the
consideration for cives to have web-based access to their e-mail, but
this is
another topic entirely.
-Phone. Though I hate to 'assume' this, I would *hope* that the entire
provincial hierarchy in *any and all* provinces have the phone numbers
for all the other members of their administration. If this is NOT the
case, then it should perhaps be given very strong consideration. Phones
are of course available everywhere. In the event that a long-distance
call is necessitated; and in a further instance where cost is an
issue, there should be some mutual agreement on how and when it
might be appropriate to make or receive collect phone calls in
emergency situations.
-Snail mail to official's home address. Though obviously not optimal,
in some cases this could be the only avenue. Again, I won't 'assume'
here; but if the officials don't have each other's FULL contact
information, then this needs to be remedied straight away in my
humble opinion.
3-In the event that a provincial official goes 'offline' for a period
of time, or is 'perceived' as having disappeared, it is up to the
next in the chain of command to determine what the actual status of
that individual is. The reverse of the above proposed communications
channels would also apply in this scenario. Legates should notice very
quickly
if their Propraetor has disappeared. Likewise, lower-level provincial
officials should be noticed quickly they in turn 'disappear.' I don't know
what
a good timeline would be to suggest here, but I would say if an official
can't be reached within 3 days via e-mail, that the other chains of
communication should come into play, at regular intervals until
a full determination as to status of said official has been determined.
4-In the case of a *planned* absence, such as a vacation, trip, or any
general personal situation that requires someone to be away from their
duties for a while, it should be a requirement or at the very least
a managerial courtesy to notify everyone that might be affected by
said absence.
5-Those that do not have the means to complete any of the above should
probably not be in a magisterial position. This ties back to a previous
post regarding 'virtual property qualifications' for elected and appointed
magistrates.
In closing, I apologize if anyone takes offense to the somewhat
stringent tone here, but these things need to be said. There are
many provinces within NR that are wonderfully and capably run. Nova Roma
is a great place to live; but as has been discussed heavily it needs
to advance closer to becoming a physical community. This growth needs to be
seeded in the provinces and the provinces need to be actively managed
and grown to ensure that NR is well-positioned for future expansion
and improved quality of life for the provincials. (And we're *all*
provincials here :-)
Vale bene,
-Oppius
Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus
Praetor Urbanus
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Martiana Felina |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:59:31 -0600 |
|
Salve Martiana Felina! Welcome to Nova Roma!
Vale bene,
-Oppius
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Gangale [mailto:marcus@--------]
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 8:06 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Cc: gaia@--------; leona@--------; tickletickle15@hotmail.com
Subject: [novaroma] Martiana Felina
Salvete omnis,
It is my privilege to announce the new member of Gens Martiana, Martiana
Felina, citizen of Mediatlantica Provincia. Please join me in welcoming
her to Nova Roma!
Mars nos protegis, et ad Martem!
Marcus Martianus Gangalius
Legatus, Provincia California
Lictor Curiata
Paterfamilias, Gens Martiana
http://www.martiana.org
"Contendere, explorare, invenire, et non cedere."
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Gens Aelia |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:59:35 -0600 |
|
Salvete newest Aeliae! Welcome to Nova Roma! You will indeed
some of us to be friendly. Will hope to maybe meet you sometime
when I travel through your wonderful province.
Valete bene,
-Oppius
-----Original Message-----
From: Razenna [mailto:razenna@--------]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:28 AM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Gens Aelia
Salvete, Quirites.
I wish to announce that gens Aelia has two new family members,
Tiberius Aelius Allectus Pertinax
et
Vibius Aelius Scipio,
both of Provinica California.
May they find Nova Roma rewarding and friendly.
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius.
Paterfamilias gens Aelia.
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Basilica |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:59:09 -0600 |
|
Salvete! This sounds like an extremely interesting project. I would
be additionally interested in any further details as they may be
forthcoming. Am peripherally aware of the Mozilla project and have
worked with others who have spent time on the project. (Haven't
done so myself though.) Thanks for advancing this project to
us!
Valete bene,
-Oppius
P.S. -I'd be very interested in accessing the mature source and/or
participating in the early betas of the product.
-----Original Message-----
From: Caius Flavius Diocletianus [mailto:3s@--------]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 6:27 AM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Basilica
Salvete Quirites et Luci Sicini,
indeed an interesting and fascinating project, Luci Sicini. I´m so sorry
that I´m not a programmer. Please let me know when the Basilica is
available, I´m sure that I will be one of the first users, on both Windows
and Linux platforms.
Btw, what about the Nova Roma Logo in the toop right corner? Only an idea,
but worth to discuss, I think :-)
Thank you very much for kind and generous offer.
Bene Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Praetor
----- Original Message -----
From: "L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 12:04 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Basilica
> In Roma Antiquia the basilica was the place where citizens met to
> transact public and private bussiness. The oldest was the Basilica
> Porcia. Others included the Basilicae Sempronia, Aemilia, and Opmia.
> Praetors held court in these great halls, and merchants leased space
> to ply thier wares.
>
> In Nova Roma our web browsers are the our Basilicae. They are how we
> meet other citizens, buy merchandise, and conduct legal bussiness. In
> old Roma the basilicae were donated to the people by citizens, and
> they were named for the Gens that made the donation.
>
> In this spirit of donation, I announce the Basilica Project. The
> Mozilla Project has been working on a free open source web browser for
> some years, and I've been involved with this. Mozilla is nearing
> compleation and should be released this year. I've started working on
> a custom version called Basilica that I'm offering to all citizens of
> Nova Roma.
>
> Basilica will be a browser with a roman theme. It'll be easily adapted
> to any language, though the inital release will be in English. It'll
> include a mail program that can handle multiple E-mail accounts, and a
> HTML editor to set up web sites. Best of all it will work on any
> platform, Windows, Mac or Linux.
>
> Valvete,
> Lucius Sicinius Drusus
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Nova Roma on TV!!!! |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:59:05 -0600 |
|
This is truly fantastic!!!!! Now, how do we get mention on TV here. Perhaps
PBS avenues? Perhaps
via an honorable mention on one of the many presentations of the History
Channel? This
sounds like a good topic to take to the Egressus list for further
discussion!
Great job Italia!!!
-Oppius
-----Original Message-----
From: Lucius Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@--------]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 1:13 AM
To: NovaRoma
Subject: [novaroma] Nova Roma on TV!!!!
Ave,
I have just spoken to one of our new Italian citizens, Quintius Lutatius
Catulus, and he told me that we were on Italian TV, channel RAI 2. It
was the news of the afternoon, and they were talking about Iubelaeum in
Rome and then about Rome on the World Wide Web. And it was in that
context that we were mentioned! :)
Between that television broadcast and radio broadcasts its no wonder
that we are getting a large influx of citizens from Italy! I think this
news is very noteworthy about the progress of Nova Roma! I hope you are
all just as excited as I am about this publicty. This is very
wonderful!!!
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor of Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] new citizen |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:05:08 -0600 |
|
Salve Quintus Lutatius Catulus and welcome!
Likewise, we are glad to have you with us! Where
do you hail from?
-Oppius
-----Original Message-----
From: quintus_lutatius_catulus@--------
[mailto:quintus_lutatius_catulus@--------]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 1:54 AM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] new citizen
Hi all
I'm happy to be a new citizen, Quintus Lutatius Catulus
si tu bene valeas ego bene valeo
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Gens Cornelia |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:17:19 -0800 |
|
Ave
With all these Gens announcements I kinda feel left out...til yesterday! Yesterday my Gens reached 25 people!!! I am so very pleased!! :)
My Gens now reaches globally, we have citizens in the US, Canada, South Africa, Italy, Britiannia, Germania! A true global family!
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
*the proud pater*
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Gens Cornelia |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:04:02 -0600 |
|
Congratulations and hail Gens Cornelia!
-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@--------]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 11:17 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Cc: gens_cornelia@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Gens Cornelia
Ave
With all these Gens announcements I kinda feel left out...til yesterday!
Yesterday my Gens reached 25 people!!! I am so very pleased!! :)
My Gens now reaches globally, we have citizens in the US, Canada, South
Africa, Italy, Britiannia, Germania! A true global family!
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
*the proud pater*
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Basilica |
| From: |
"Caius Flavius Diocletianus" <3s@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:15:05 +0100 |
|
Salvete, Quirites,
Lave, Luci Sicini,
I reviewed the uploaded jpg-screenshot and must say: an outstanding and
remarkable work, Luci Sicini! My heartful congratulations for this.
Personally, I support our Consul Flavius Vedius Germanicus in his suggested
awards.
Bene Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Praetor
> Salvete,
> I,ve just uploaded a screen shot of Basilica. It still needs a lot of
> work, but this should give you an idea of where I'm going with this.
> Look in the Basilica folder under files in this group.
>
> There is one thing all citizens can help with. Bookmarks. There will
> be a set of default bookmarks that will be installed with a new
> instalation, if a Netscape browser isn't allready present. If you know
> of a really great Roman site that you would like to see in the default
> bookmarks, let me know. For you IE users, it also will import all of
> your IE Favorites, so you'll be able to use them in Basilica.
>
> Vale,
> Lucius Sicinius Drusus
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Gens Cornelia |
| From: |
SyanneRose@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 17 Jan 2001 02:16:57 EST |
|
Salve,
Wow, 25 citizens, in one Gens???? That is not a Gens, more like a legion!!!
Okay seriously, my congrats to you Sulla and all of your gentiles, may the
Gens Cornelia be one happy family.
Ave,
Aeternia *Who needs to check up on her own Mater*
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Comitia Plebis and the People and AD |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 17 Jan 2001 01:38:22 -0800 |
|
labienus@-------- wrote:
> Tribunus Plebis T Labienus L Cornelio Quiritibusque SPD
>
> > Well situation such as when a Senator cannot even get on the
list...and a
> > Plebian who has waited for authorization in a supposedly OPEN forum
is
> > unacceptable. Considering that there is supposed to be an election
in 3
> > days! But I will get to this point later on!
>
> As I stated in another message, the difficulties with people signing
on to the
> CPT list are an unforeseen problem. We are therefore going to submit
the
> agenda for the coming vote to both the CPT list and this one.
>
> > Well considering that they said it is an open list, there shouldn't
be
> > authorization.
>
> This is true. See above.
>
Great. I am pleased you are acting on this! And I am also glad that
the proposed
Laws will be posted on the Main NR list.
>
> > Which was the point I was coming to above! For that matter, since
> > the laws are binding on both the Patricians and Plebeians why don't
they
> > allow all the People vote on it. One of the main cornerstones of
the AD
> > platform is the People.
>
> The Amici Dignitatis is a mostly neutral group dedicated to better
Nova Roman
> government through debate. The fact that both tribuni plebis have
signed its
> founding statement does nothing to alter the fact that, as tribuni
plebis, we
> have the right and authority to promulgate legislation through the
Comitia
> Plebis Tributa.
>
Yes. But as signatories of the amici dignitas you have chosen to abide
by their
statement. Which states that the "People" are sovereign correct? In
particular
article 1 of the amici dignitas statement that states,
"1) that the sovereignty of our Res publica rests solely with the
People
who form it;"
You cant have it both ways either you as signatories of the amici
dignitas abide by
your statement or you show that your statement of the Amici dignities is
just in
essence a political ploy.
>
> > Well Patricians are part of the People. We should have a say since
it
> > is just as easy to summon the Comitia Populi as it is to summon the
Comita
> > Plebis!
>
> Not for us tribuni. The only comitia we can summon are the Comitia
Plebis
> Tributa, as you well know.
>
But there is absolutely nothing to prevent you from forwarding your
proposed laws
to the Consuls who can summon the Comitia Populi Tributa.
>
> > The Century point that favors the Patrician is only like 3 points.
Not
> > enough to warrant any change in Century Class for most citizens.
>
> Actually, Luci Corneli, patricians receive precisely 5 more points
than
> plebeians.
>
Thank you for the correction, I was going based on memory. :)
>
> > The Plebeians get the Tribune of the Plebs position that is
exclusively
> > theirs. If you ask my opinion, the Plebs get the better deal, the
Tribune
> > of the Plebs is a very powerful position and 3 points do not make up
for
> > that!
>
> I would remind the censor that the tribunate is substantially weaker
in Nova
> Roma than it was in the latter days of the antique Respublica. The
consules
> and praetores of Nova Roma are much more powerful than the tribuni.
>
Regardless if it is weaker than it was in ancient rome there is still
very
sufficient teeth in the Tribune of the Plebs position is there not? If
there
wasn't why run for the office!
>
> The *real* downside of being patrician is the inability to vote in the
Comitia
> Plebis Tributa, despite the fact that plebiscita are binding upon the
whole
> populace. In ancient times, this was balanced by the fact that the
patricians
> had immense power and influence. Nova Roma's patricians do not, in
large part,
> have that defense. This was an unforeseen consequence of the way the
Founders
> established the orders.
>
That is very well stated.
<Snip>
> > Nope that isn't the case. As I responded to Tribune Piscinus, that
is only
> > the case now because NR is 3 years old....and during the first year
most of
> > NR was Patrician.
>
> Actually, the 5 extra points a new patrician receives is generally
enough to
> drive him or her up from Class V to Class IV (at least it was last
year when I
> had access to such data), considering our very large influx of new
cives. This
> is quite advantageous. However, assuming plebeian cives are
continuously and
> increasingly active in the Respublica, then the top classes will be
more
> heavily populated by plebeians, and the centuries will come to
resemble the
> meritocracy the Founders seem to have wanted them to be, as opposed to
the
> oligarchy it arguably resembles now.
>
Not really. I disagree, I drew up the Centuries based on class. On the
overall
picture I do not see how 5 extra points make that much difference
between a new
Patrician citizen and a new Plebian citizen. Both would be in the 5th
class!
>
> > But, in the Comitia Plebis, the Patricians do not have the ability
to vote in
> > it at all. Only the Plebeians have that ability. My basis is that
the AD
> > kept saying in the election that they believed the People were
sovereign.
> > Well why is it that the People are not being summoned? Only the
Plebeians,
> > since the laws passed in that are enforceable on all citizens of
Nova Roma, I
> > think this is violating their own amici dignitas charter statement!
>
> So, you would have the tribuni plebis remain inactive, serving only as
> guardians of the constitution? This is not the ancient way, and it
will not
> happen on my watch.
>
I am just going by what was stated on the amici dignitas statement. A
statement
which both Tribunes of the Plebs subscribe too? Either it is a document
you live
up too or a document proven to be a political bluff. Either you want
the People to
vote on the laws or you want a part of the People to vote on laws
binding on all
citizens of Nova Roma. I did not write the amici dignitas. Nor am I a
member of
it. But you are a signatorie of it?
The letter and spirit of the law is not what I am specifically
questioning. It is
the integrity and validity of the amici dignitas. An organization you
and your
colleague have subscribed too. And something that you seem, very
non-chalant in
disregarding when it seems inconvenient as in the case with this
summoning of the
Comitia Plebis.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Virus Alert |
| From: |
Craig Stevenson <dougies@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:15:38 +1030 |
|
Ave all,
I have been asked by my brother Gaius to forward this on to all of you,
in order to warn you about the dangers involved:
Subject:
virus alert
Please pass this info to all on your address book , please do not open
the file mentioned below.
A new virus has just been discovered that has been classified by
Microsoft (www.microsoft.com ) and by McAfee (www.mcafee.com ) as the
most destructive ever! This virus was discovered yesterday afternoon by
McAfee and no vaccine
has yet been developed. This virus simply destroys Sector Zero from the
hard disk, where vital information for its functioning are stored. This
virus acts in the following manner: It sends itself automatically to all
contacts on your list with the title "A Virtual
Card for You". As soon as the supposed virtual card is opened, the
computer freezes so that the user has to reboot. When the ctrl+alt+del
keys or the reset button are pressed, the virus destroys Sector Zero,
thus permanently destroying the hard disk. Yesterday in just a few hours
this virus caused panic in New York, according to news broadcast by CNN
(www.cnn.com). This alert was received by an employee of Microsoft
itself. So don't open any mails with subject "A Virtual Card for You".
As soon as you get the mail, delete it. Please pass on this mail to all
your friends.
AND IF YOU HAVE OUTLOOK EXPRESS, I ADVISE YOU TO ADD TO BLOCK SENDER
LIST IMMEDIATELY.
I hope that this will help people in some way,
Vale,
Lucius Sentius Ahenobarbus Quadratus
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Virus Alert |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:05:13 -0500 |
|
Salve,
This is a hoax. See http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=98893&
Please do NOT pass this along.
Vale,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig Stevenson [mailto:dougies@--------]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 08:46
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] Virus Alert
>
>
> Ave all,
>
> I have been asked by my brother Gaius to forward this on to all of you,
> in order to warn you about the dangers involved:
<snip>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Who should vote, and where? |
| From: |
Gian G Reali <piscinus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:53:09 -0800 |
|
Salvete Flavi Vedi et Quirites
Vedius scripsit:
"For day-to-day affairs, the Comitia Populi Tributa, with all Citizens
participating and voting in (relatively) equal tribes, is the sensible
forum
for us to vote on 99% of the issues that are before us today. It
represents
a fair representation of the Citizenry, both in terms of inclusion and in
terms of relative representation. I intend to make good use of it in the
coming year, and hope that the Tribunes will allow it to do its job."
As one of the Tribunes let me state that I do agree with most and
possibly all of what Consul Vedius has been saying in his recent posts.
There are several different issues coming together as we all continue to
explore the possibilities in our system, and try to further develop them.
The CPT is only one of three comitia. I think we shall have to work out
how the three comitia should be related to one another. Basically I see
the CPT addressing some issues as an initial step, where the Comitia
Populi Tributa would act as a higher authority, a lex of the CPopT
supercedes plebiscita of the CPT. That sort of relationship would need
be made by a lex to amend the Constitution, and no one comitia should
take it upon itself to do so. What we are doing here is then developing
a legislative process, similar to bicarmel systems.
The Tribunes are attempting to develop the CPT into a legislative body
where its main officers, the Tribunes, are responsive to its membership.
There are a few initiatives we are taking to make the Tribunes more
accessible, and not only to Plebeians. I have been visited in the
Comitia Plebis chat room by more Patricians than Plebeians thus far. (I
shall be in the Comitia Plebis later today, and every Wednesday, too,
4:00-6:00 PM EDST should anyone want to chat with me. Vedius?
http://mercury.beseen.com/chat/rooms/y/17189 But bring your own light, it
gets a little dark in the corners.) The Tribunes are abiding within the
framework of the Constitution, which at the moment has placed some
restrictions on how we are doing things. That is one issue we hope to
address through our plebiscita. How Consul Vedius has posted that he
would like to see the CPopT function, with posts to the main list
generating proposals for leges, is precisely what we intend to do with
the CPT. We do intend to make the CPT list the major forum for the
comitia, and we are working on trying to build that list for that
purpose. I find it ironic that the one censor who has been the greatest
complainer that the CPT list has so few subscribers at the moment, is the
same censor who did not even think the requests of the Tribunes worth
responding to when we sought to send out invitations to subscribe to the
CPT list. Another set back has been the temporary loss of my scriba
Sura. Such are the perils of one who becomes a scriba to a Censor, a
Tribune, and a Rogator all at one time. His eyes are smarting, and I
pray to the gods for his swift recovery. (BTW I am also in need of a
scriba at the moment.) But these are only minor problems, to be expected
as we work on developing the CPT.
I have seen some things expressed on this list which appear to have been
made out of fear of what the Tribunes intend to do in their plebiscita.
That will be made clearer as I will be posting the summaries of our
plebiscita today, and as the text of the plebiscita are posted tomorrow.
What most of the plebiscita entail is to further develop the CPT itself
as an independent legislative body. Tribune Fortunatus is preparing a
plebiscitum on the procedures to be followed by the CPT. I am finalizing
a plebiscitum on the tribunician powers. Neither of these proposals
change the provisions of Constitution. I have not attempted to add
powers to the Tribuni Plebis, nor limit them. The proposals attempt to
clarify and define how the Tribune will perform their duties to the
comitia, among each other, and to the citizenry at large. In this I have
increased the responsibilities of the Tribunes in one aspect, that they
will now be mandated to check their email every 48 hours, and will have
to report to the other Tribune, the Consuls or the Praetors whenever this
is not possible.
We are also offering some reaffirmations of ancient leges. These have
been reworded to fit into our modern community, and with thought towards
how they would apply in Nova Roma itself. On the one hand some of these
will be restating what is already present in the Constitution, again
clarifying and defining terms more than making any real changes. Some
will introduce something new to Nova Roma. On the other hand though,
these reaffirmations are a celebration of the heritage of Rome that we
all seek to emulate. I have chosen some of the notable leges of history,
reworked them for Nova Roma, so that we may share in that heritage we so
admire.
The nature of our plebiscita should make clear too how I and my
colleague see the role of the CPT. It is not the proper comitia to amend
the Constitution. The CPT is composed of Plebeians alone, so most of the
CPT's concern has to be either directed towards Plebeians alone, or how
leges and edicta impact on Plebeians. Why Plebeians alone is due to the
nature of the Constitution and the distinctions it currently makes. I
think the distinction between Patricians and Plebeians in Nova Roma are
rather artificial. The true distinction made within the system is that
pointed out by both Consul Vedius and by Apollonius Formosanus, which
develops from the accumulation of participatory points. The system we
have now tends to form a class of Nobilites, just as occurred in the Late
Republic. I agree with the Consul that in time this tendency of our
system will level out some. By the nature of that system, just as older
members of Nova Roma tend to correspond to the Patrician gentes, Plebeian
gentes tend to correspond to newer members. That is a very simplistic
way of putting the matter to be sure. One thing I would like to see
happen with the CPT, the new Plebeian website we hope the Aediles Plebis
to develop, and with the role of the Tribunes is that they will be more
an area for newer citizens to become involved with Nova Roma, and that
the Plebeian offices and site become an additional source to assist our
newest members.
In our third year Nova Roma is still expanding, still developing its
institutions, still formulating its own traditions. During the election
campaigns all candidates for Consul, Praetor, and Tribunes mentioned a
need to develop a judicial system for Nova Roma. Under the Constitution
the three main courts are the three comitia. By developing the CPT as a
legislative body first, stimulating the other comitia to do likewise, we
are also furthering that effort to develop the Nova Roma judicial system.
This will have to be a joint venture, taking into account the ideas of
everyone. That process has begun and we have a long way to go to be
sure. I am very pleased by how things are continuing to move on a number
of different issues, and how the views of everyone are being expressed.
This is what the vitality of our political processes should be. It is
diversity growing and maturing as an entire body politic.
Pro deos, Nova Roma Libera semper vivat. By the will of the gods, may a
free Nova Roma live forever.
Di consentes vos mihi incolumes custodiant. Valete
Cn. Moravius Piscinus
Flamen Cerealis et Tribunus Plebis
PS: may I once again invite all citizens to subscribe to the CPT list at
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] FW: [ComitiaPlebisTributa] Description of Plebiscita before the CPT |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:51:41 -0500 |
|
Salvete;
This was recently posted to the Comitia Plebis Tributa email list, but due
to a minor technical problem (look carefully at the header; you'll be able
to see it), it failed to make it to the main list. I thought I'd repost here
it as a service to all. I'll comment in a separate post.
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gian G Reali [mailto:piscinus@--------]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 13:13
> To: comitiaplebistributa@--------
> Cc: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [ComitiaPlebisTributa] Description of Plebiscita before the CPT
>
>
> EX DOMO TRIBUNI PLEBIS
>
> Salvete Quirites
>
> The following plebiscita shall be placed before the Comitia Plebis
> Tributa on 19 January 2754 AUC, to be voted on beginning 20 January 2754
> AUC until Midnight Roma 30 January 2754 AUC. Below are descriptions of
> the plebiscita, full texts will be posted to the Comitia Plebis Tributa
> list on Friday 19 January 2754 AUC at Roma (Thursday 18 January 2754 AUC
> US).
>
>
> I. Plebiscitum Labiena Moravia de Tribunicia Potestates
>
> Defines the honors, responsibilities, and duties of the
> Tribunes of the
> Plebeians under IV.A.7 with regard to tibunician powers of intercesso,
> calling of the Comitia Plebis Tributa and Senate, auxilium, assertum, and
> coercito; authority to issue nuntio, denuntio, rescriptae and responsae;
> and authority to appoint Plebeian scribae, curatores, and viatores.
>
>
> II. Plebiscitum Labiena Moravia de Ratione Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum,
> Pass/Fail
>
> Replaces the Lex Vedia de Ratione Comitia Plebis Tributa
> and establishes
> new procedures for the comitia to follow in regard to voting on
> candidates for Plebeian offices and plebiscita. Reference to III.C.1 and
> 2.
>
>
> III. Plebiscitum de Iterum Adfirmatio Lex Publilia, Pass/Fail
>
> Reaffirmation of the Lex Publilia of 414 AUC (339 c.e.)
> that a call for
> assembly of the Comitia Plebis Tributa may be made without prior patrum
> auctoris or auspicia. Reference to III.C and IV.A.7.
>
>
> IV. Plebiscitum de Iterum Adfirmatio Lex Icilia, Pass/Fail
>
> Reaffirms the Lex Icilia of 259 AUC (471 c.e.) prohibiting any
> magistrate from interferring or disrupting the calling forth or
> procedures taken within the Comitia Plebis Tributa. Reference toII.B.3,
> and III.C.1 and 2. .
>
>
> V. Plebiscitum de Iterum Adfirmatio Lex Caecilia Didia, Pass/Fail
>
> Reaffirms the Lex Caecilia Didia of 655 AUC (98 c.e.) prohibitng any
> disparate provisions made between Nova Roma cives in any leges,
> plebiscita, edicta, making exceptions for decreta of the Collegium
> Pontificum and the Collegium Augurum, and the incorporating regula of
> sodalitates. With reference to Section II.A.3; and II.B
>
>
> VI. Plebiscitum de Iterum Adfirmatio Lex Ovinia de Senatoria, Pass/Fail
>
> Reaffirms Lev Ovinia of 414 AUC (339 c.e.) clarifying and
> defining terms
> used for the procedures in the provisions of the Lex Vedia Senatoria
> with regard to IV.A.1d, IV.A.2.c and V.A on the elevation of "all the
> best men and women of all ranks and orders" to the Senate as "the
> repository of experience and wisdom."
>
>
> VII. Plebiscitum de Iterum Adfirmatio Lex Canuleia de Conuptia,
> Pass/Fail
>
> Reaffirms the Lex Canuleia of 308 AUC (445 c.e.)
> establishing rights of
> all cives, regardless of their orders, to engage in conuptia and
> confarreatio. Ensuring civil rights of Section II.B. 1 and 6.
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> ComitiaPlebisTributa-unsubscribe@--------
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Basilica |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:01:50 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, "Oppius Flaccus" <oppiusflaccus@y...>
wrote:
> Salvete! This sounds like an extremely interesting project. I would
> be additionally interested in any further details as they may be
> forthcoming. Am peripherally aware of the Mozilla project and have
> worked with others who have spent time on the project. (Haven't
> done so myself though.) Thanks for advancing this project to
> us!
>
> Valete bene,
> -Oppius
>
> P.S. -I'd be very interested in accessing the mature source and/or
> participating in the early betas of the product.
Salvete,
Actually I'm making as few changes as possible to the Mozilla Browser
so that sites that are set up to aid users of Mozilla or Netscape 6
will also apply to Basilica.
I'm making use of some of Mozilla's features to create what will be in
effect a branded version of Mozilla. The Netscape 6 Browser that was
released in November is the first Branded version of the Mozilla
Browser, though IMHO it was released too early, and it still contains
too many bugs for a final software release.
The first feature of Mozilla that I'm taking advantage of is its
ability to use custom themes. The shot I posted is a Mozilla theme set
up for Basilica. Creating the Theme is the hardest part, because
Mozilla themes consist of hundreds of images controlled by style
sheets. This theme will be in the program in the form of a .jar file
so unzipping the .jar will give you the "source code" for the UI which
consists of the .css files. Limiting the changes to what can be
handled in a theme will insure that Basilica will remain compatible
with themes designed for Mozilla. You'll be able to download new
themes and change the look of the browser.
The second feature is Mozilla's ability to be localized for different
markets. This is done with language packs which contain all the words
and phrases that make up the labels, tooltips, menus, etc. The
language pack also has the built in links and default bookmarks the
browser uses. Mozilla is set up with US English as the default
language pack. All I'll need to change in this pack is the default
links and bookmarks. (Few Romans will be interrested in accessing the
built in mozilla development links). Optional language packs are being
developed by outside developers and range from Cherokee (A Native
American Language) to Chinese, so I'll be needing links to non-english
roman sites to set up language packs for Basilica in other languages.
There is one language that is NOT being developed however, Latin. I'll
definitally need help from some Romans who speak Latin so this will be
an optional language for Basilica.
Valete,
L. Sicinius Drusus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Comitia Plebis and the People and AD |
| From: |
Fortunatus <labienus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:17:13 -0600 |
|
T Labienus L Cornelio SPD
> Yes. But as signatories of the amici dignitas you have chosen to
> abide by their statement.
No. As a signatory to that document, I have stated that I agree in
principle with its articles. This is different from a pledge to always
follow a specific party platform--a difference you have consistently
failed to grasp. I do generally agree that the whole people should have
a say in their government, and I am entirely in agreement with the
section that you quoted. Of course, you have misconstrued what it says.
> "1) that the sovereignty of our Res publica rests solely with the
> People who form it;"
Yes. Absolutely. Nowhere does it say that I will deny the tribuni
plebis their right to call the Comitia Plebis Tributa together. Nowhere
does it say that I should cede all tribunician authority to the
praetores and consules. Nowhere does it say that I want to so
substantially alter the government of our spiritual ancestors that it
becomes unrecognizable. To quote a certain censor, "We are a republic,
not a democracy."
> But there is absolutely nothing to prevent you from forwarding your
> proposed laws to the Consuls who can summon the Comitia Populi Tributa.
Only the Comitia Plebis Tributa is empowered to define the procedures by
which it operates. Perhaps the Senate should take its procedural
documents to the Comitia Populi Tributa. Perhaps the Comitia Centuriata
should be used to define procedure for the Comitia Plebis Tributa. Oh,
wait. That's unconstitutional.
> Thank you for the correction, I was going based on memory. :)
I would expect that your memory would have been jogged quite recently,
having approved so many new cives, some of which were patricians.
Perhaps you ought to review the points you have assigned to these new
cives.
> Regardless if it is weaker than it was in ancient rome there is still
> very sufficient teeth in the Tribune of the Plebs position is there
> not? If there wasn't why run for the office!
I ran for office for several reasons. First, for a plebeian, the
tribunus plebis was in many ways the start of the cursus honorum, and it
was the next logical step after having served for two and a half years
in minor office. I hope to stand for quaestor next year. Second, I was
annoyed by the lack of action on the part of nearly all of our tribuni
to date, and I wanted to be part of an administration that helped to
define exactly what the tribuni should be doing in a state that,
ostensibly, does not have any real class conflict. This election is the
beginning of that process.
> Not really. I disagree, I drew up the Centuries based on class. On
> the overall picture I do not see how 5 extra points make that much
> difference between a new Patrician citizen and a new Plebian citizen.
> Both would be in the 5th class!
Let's see. 700 cives divided equally among the 5 classes comes to 140
cives per class. Now, considering the number of cives who are inactive
plebeians with 6 mo's or less of citizenship (7 points) versus the
number of cives who are inactive patricians with less than 6 mo's of
citizenship (12 points), and the rate at which we have been growing, one
can reasonably expect that nearly all of Class V will be occupied by
relatively new plebeians due to their slight point disadvantage, and
that Class IV will therefore contain mostly new patricians. This is
exactly how the demographics worked last year when C Marius and I
worked out the centurial assignments.
> The letter and spirit of the law is not what I am specifically
> questioning. It is the integrity and validity of the amici
> dignitas. An organization you and your colleague have subscribed
> too. And something that you seem, very non-chalant in disregarding
> when it seems inconvenient as in the case with this summoning of
> the Comitia Plebis.
Actually, it is the integrity and validitly of two of the signatories of
the statement that you are questioning, L Corneli. And, the statement
is a list of principles to which I do subscribe. Nowhere in that
statement does it say that I want to cripple an arm of the government.
Nor does it say that I would like to cede the right of the Comitia
Plebis Tributa to determine its own internal procedures to some other
body of government. Nor does it say that, having taken an oath to
fulfill the duties of my office, I would feel that I was acting
correctly if I were to fail to actually perform those duties.
Vale
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Description of Plebiscita before the CPT |
| From: |
Gian G Reali <piscinus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:20:27 -0800 |
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EX DOMO TRIBUNI PLEBIS
Salvete Quirites
The following plebiscita shall be placed before the Comitia Plebis
Tributa on 19 January 2754 AUC, to be voted on beginning 20 January 2754
AUC until Midnight Roma 30 January 2754 AUC. Below are descriptions of
the plebiscita, full texts will be posted to the Comitia Plebis Tributa
list on Friday 19 January 2754 AUC at Roma (Thursday 18 January 2754 AUC
US).
I. Plebiscitum Labiena Moravia de Tribunicia Potestates
Defines the honors, responsibilities, and duties of the Tribunes of the
Plebeians under IV.A.7 with regard to tibunician powers of intercesso,
calling of the Comitia Plebis Tributa and Senate, auxilium, assertum, and
coercito; authority to issue nuntio, denuntio, rescriptae and responsae;
and authority to appoint Plebeian scribae, curatores, and viatores.
II. Plebiscitum Labiena Moravia de Ratione Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum,
Pass/Fail
Replaces the Lex Vedia de Ratione Comitia Plebis Tributa and establishes
new procedures for the comitia to follow in regard to voting on
candidates for Plebeian offices and plebiscita. Reference to III.C.1 and
2.
III. Plebiscitum de Iterum Adfirmatio Lex Publilia, Pass/Fail
Reaffirmation of the Lex Publilia of 414 AUC (339 c.e.) that a call for
assembly of the Comitia Plebis Tributa may be made without prior patrum
auctoris or auspicia. Reference to III.C and IV.A.7.
IV. Plebiscitum de Iterum Adfirmatio Lex Icilia, Pass/Fail
Reaffirms the Lex Icilia of 259 AUC (471 c.e.) prohibiting any
magistrate from interferring or disrupting the calling forth or
procedures taken within the Comitia Plebis Tributa. Reference toII.B.3,
and III.C.1 and 2. .
V. Plebiscitum de Iterum Adfirmatio Lex Caecilia Didia, Pass/Fail
Reaffirms the Lex Caecilia Didia of 655 AUC (98 c.e.) prohibitng any
disparate provisions made between Nova Roma cives in any leges,
plebiscita, edicta, making exceptions for decreta of the Collegium
Pontificum and the Collegium Augurum, and the incorporating regula of
sodalitates. With reference to Section II.A.3; and II.B
VI. Plebiscitum de Iterum Adfirmatio Lex Ovinia de Senatoria, Pass/Fail
Reaffirms Lev Ovinia of 414 AUC (339 c.e.) clarifying and defining terms
used for the procedures in the provisions of the Lex Vedia Senatoria
with regard to IV.A.1d, IV.A.2.c and V.A on the elevation of "all the
best men and women of all ranks and orders" to the Senate as "the
repository of experience and wisdom."
VII. Plebiscitum de Iterum Adfirmatio Lex Canuleia de Conuptia,
Pass/Fail
Reaffirms the Lex Canuleia of 308 AUC (445 c.e.) establishing rights of
all cives, regardless of their orders, to engage in conuptia and
confarreatio. Ensuring civil rights of Section II.B. 1 and 6.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Comitia Plebis and the People and AD |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:46:09 -0600 (CST) |
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Salve Tite Labiene,
> > Thank you for the correction, I was going based on memory. :)
> I would expect that your memory would have been jogged quite recently,
> having approved so many new cives, some of which were patricians.
> Perhaps you ought to review the points you have assigned to these new
> cives.
Point assignment happens once a year, and it will be programmatic
rather than manual. For the vast majority of citizens, then, the
Censors will not be touching the century point number.
All citizens created since the database was migrated in july of
last year have zero century points.
> Let's see. 700 cives divided equally among the 5 classes comes to 140
> cives per class. Now, considering the number of cives who are inactive
> plebeians with 6 mo's or less of citizenship (7 points) versus the
> number of cives who are inactive patricians with less than 6 mo's of
> citizenship (12 points), and the rate at which we have been growing, one
> can reasonably expect that nearly all of Class V will be occupied by
> relatively new plebeians due to their slight point disadvantage, and
> that Class IV will therefore contain mostly new patricians.
Interesting, I had never noticed that! Still, it's only a slight
advantage... class V has 22 centuries and class IV has 30 centuries.
So new patrician citizens, during their first six months, will have
a slight advantage in the centuries... a poor substitute for being
unable to vote for the Tribunes.
As time goes by, the patrician bonus points become a relatively
insignificant part of a citizen's total points, but plebeians still
have the advantage of being able to vote for Tribune.
(It reminds me of playing "Dungeons & Dragons"... wizards in that
game, prohibited from wearing armor, have a high mortality rate
at the low levels... but if they survive they become much more
powerful than the other types of character).
Vale, Octavius.
--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneae et Senator
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Description of Plebiscita before the CPT |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:24:42 -0800 |
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Ave
I have a question. According to Article 1 Section D, it states, "This Constitution
may be altered by law passed by the Comitia Centuriata, such alternations to this
Constitution must be ratified by a vote of two-thirds of the entire Senate before
they shall take affect. "
Now, according to the very first item. It looks like a Constitutional change. The
Comitia Plebis is not the correct venue for it.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor of Nova Roma
Gian G Reali wrote:
> EX DOMO TRIBUNI PLEBIS
>
> Salvete Quirites
>
> The following plebiscita shall be placed before the Comitia Plebis
> Tributa on 19 January 2754 AUC, to be voted on beginning 20 January 2754
> AUC until Midnight Roma 30 January 2754 AUC. Below are descriptions of
> the plebiscita, full texts will be posted to the Comitia Plebis Tributa
> list on Friday 19 January 2754 AUC at Roma (Thursday 18 January 2754 AUC
> US).
>
> I. Plebiscitum Labiena Moravia de Tribunicia Potestates
>
> Defines the honors, responsibilities, and duties of the Tribunes of the
> Plebeians under IV.A.7 with regard to tibunician powers of intercesso,
> calling of the Comitia Plebis Tributa and Senate, auxilium, assertum, and
> coercito; authority to issue nuntio, denuntio, rescriptae and responsae;
> and authority to appoint Plebeian scribae, curatores, and viatores.
>
> II. Plebiscitum Labiena Moravia de Ratione Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum,
> Pass/Fail
>
> Replaces the Lex Vedia de Ratione Comitia Plebis Tributa and establishes
> new procedures for the comitia to follow in regard to voting on
> candidates for Plebeian offices and plebiscita. Reference to III.C.1 and
> 2.
>
> III. Plebiscitum de Iterum Adfirmatio Lex Publilia, Pass/Fail
>
> Reaffirmation of the Lex Publilia of 414 AUC (339 c.e.) that a call for
> assembly of the Comitia Plebis Tributa may be made without prior patrum
> auctoris or auspicia. Reference to III.C and IV.A.7.
>
> IV. Plebiscitum de Iterum Adfirmatio Lex Icilia, Pass/Fail
>
> Reaffirms the Lex Icilia of 259 AUC (471 c.e.) prohibiting any
> magistrate from interferring or disrupting the calling forth or
> procedures taken within the Comitia Plebis Tributa. Reference toII.B.3,
> and III.C.1 and 2. .
>
> V. Plebiscitum de Iterum Adfirmatio Lex Caecilia Didia, Pass/Fail
>
> Reaffirms the Lex Caecilia Didia of 655 AUC (98 c.e.) prohibitng any
> disparate provisions made between Nova Roma cives in any leges,
> plebiscita, edicta, making exceptions for decreta of the Collegium
> Pontificum and the Collegium Augurum, and the incorporating regula of
> sodalitates. With reference to Section II.A.3; and II.B
>
> VI. Plebiscitum de Iterum Adfirmatio Lex Ovinia de Senatoria, Pass/Fail
>
> Reaffirms Lev Ovinia of 414 AUC (339 c.e.) clarifying and defining terms
> used for the procedures in the provisions of the Lex Vedia Senatoria
> with regard to IV.A.1d, IV.A.2.c and V.A on the elevation of "all the
> best men and women of all ranks and orders" to the Senate as "the
> repository of experience and wisdom."
>
> VII. Plebiscitum de Iterum Adfirmatio Lex Canuleia de Conuptia,
> Pass/Fail
>
> Reaffirms the Lex Canuleia of 308 AUC (445 c.e.) establishing rights of
> all cives, regardless of their orders, to engage in conuptia and
> confarreatio. Ensuring civil rights of Section II.B. 1 and 6.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Comitia Plebis and the People and AD |
| From: |
"Jeroen Meuleman" <hendrik.meuleman@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:50:39 +0100 |
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Salvete Quirites Novae Romae,
Just some comments on this whole debate.
Tribunus Fortunatus scripsit:
> > The Amici Dignitatis is a mostly neutral group dedicated to better
> Nova Roman
> > government through debate. The fact that both tribuni plebis have
> signed its
> > founding statement does nothing to alter the fact that, as tribuni
> plebis, we
> > have the right and authority to promulgate legislation through the
> Comitia
> > Plebis Tributa.
> >
>
Censor Sulla responsit:
> Yes. But as signatories of the amici dignitas you have chosen to abide
> by their
> statement. Which states that the "People" are sovereign correct? In
> particular
> article 1 of the amici dignitas statement that states,
> "1) that the sovereignty of our Res publica rests solely with the
> People
> who form it;"
>
> You cant have it both ways either you as signatories of the amici
> dignitas abide by
> your statement or you show that your statement of the Amici dignities is
> just in
> essence a political ploy.
Tribunus Fortunatus dixit:
> > So, you would have the tribuni plebis remain inactive, serving only as
>
> > guardians of the constitution? This is not the ancient way, and it
> will not
> > happen on my watch.
> >
Et Sulla dixit:
> I am just going by what was stated on the amici dignitas statement. A
> statement
> which both Tribunes of the Plebs subscribe too? Either it is a document
> you live
> up too or a document proven to be a political bluff. Either you want
> the People to
> vote on the laws or you want a part of the People to vote on laws
> binding on all
> citizens of Nova Roma. I did not write the amici dignitas. Nor am I a
> member of
> it. But you are a signatorie of it?
>
> The letter and spirit of the law is not what I am specifically
> questioning. It is
> the integrity and validity of the amici dignitas. An organization you
> and your
> colleague have subscribed too. And something that you seem, very
> non-chalant in
> disregarding when it seems inconvenient as in the case with this
> summoning of the
> Comitia Plebis.
Allow me to jump in on this. I think it's a fairly natural concern of our
Censor to want that a lex or plebiscitum can be voted by all people, not
just the plebs, or not just the patricians. However, there is something I
don't understand. To point out the so-called inconsistency he refers to the
AD Statement, of which both Tribuni are signatories. Point is, why don't you
sign the Statement yourself then, O Censor Sulla, if you feel that the whole
population should vote on everything? And in return, do you think every
patrician would be willing to sacrifice these 5 extra century points?
Likewise, you can't have it both ways. I don't think you can seriously
expect to be able to vote on anything and everything while retaining those
extra points. However, as has been pointed out, as NR grows, those 5 points
will become of less significance . The sovereignity of this republic rests
with the people indeed, which I firmly believe, but if you want patricians
to vote on plebiscita (and possibly aediles and tribuni plebis), then we
should change the current system of patricians and plebeians, take away the
extra century points (and the prestige/popularity that comes with being of a
patrician gens) of the patricians and in return give them the right to vote
on matters that are normally plebeian. Question is: do you want this?
Sovereignity of all people can't exist yet because the laws on
patrician-plebeian differences prevent this. That, of course, is another
topic.
The Amici Dignitatis are far from political bluff, and far from a concrete
party model. As the name says, we are "friends of dignity", sharing ethical
guidelines, and welcoming cultural and political diversity within NR.
Valete omnes,
Sextus Apollonius Draco, civis Novae Romae
Legatus Galliae Borealis,
Procurator Galliae,
Scriba Aedilis Plebis,
Coryphaeus Sodalitatis Musarum,
Vainqueur, ICQ# 32924725
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Hello |
| From: |
"J. T. Sibley" <jrsibley@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:13:46 -0500 |
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allan001@-------- wrote:
> Hello - I'm kinda new. i just got admitted as a itizen and im happy to
> be
> here. I am a resident of Canada Orientalis and my name is
> Marcus Drusillus Scaevola. Just wanted to drop a note saying hi to
> everyone.
>
Salve Marcus Drusillus! Welcome to Nova Roma! We're spread out all over
the globe, but our Imperium enjoys all the latest and best in communication
technology...and even I, a wandering Romano-British soothsayer, can hear
the learned words of our elected officials and the Pontifex Maximus, and
vote in elections! Ave Roma!
Vale,
S. Ambrosia Fulvia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Don't forget that extra toga |
| From: |
BICURRATUS@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:43:29 EST |
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EX DOMO PROCURATORIS BRITANNIAE
> The Thule posting was just my little joke, BTW. Mi Severe Bicurrate, I thank
> you as always for your diligence and common sense, which sometimes exceeds
>
I dunno. You going to Thule sounds good to me. You wanted to send me to Thule
for razing Derventio during the ludus 'Ratae' despite my knowing tribal
territories better than the judges. ;-)
Bring me back a moose.
Publius Claudius Lucentius Severus Bicurratus
Procurator Britanniae
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Propraetor Britanniae performs a U-turn |
| From: |
BICURRATUS@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:49:52 EST |
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EX DOMO PROCURATORIS BRITANNIAE
The Government of Britannia Edict is available to view on the Provincia
Britannia website. It's worth reading.
I already knew this when I drew up my plan. Unfortunately, I left out the
legati regiones in my plan but that is easily remedied.
We have a way forward for the early beginnings of 'urbanisation' in our
provinces. I just don't want this to happen in a haphazard fashion.
Publius Claudius Lucentius Severus Bicurratus
Procurator Britanniae
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