| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Petronius on Rhetoric |
| From: |
LucillaCornelia@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:44:17 -0500 |
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Ave Vado,
Thank you for this most excellent post, and the very worthy sentiments expressed therein.
May we all never cease to learn, as individuals as well as a great nation.
And may we be worthy of the Dignitas placed upon us by our ancestors, spiritual and actual.
Vale bene,
Lucilla
novaroma@-------- wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites
>
> The other day, I was talking with a friend or two outside the Pomerium about
> various ways in which we fall short of old Rome, and the usual quid facere
> topics that naturally ensue from such trains of thought. The "Satyricon"
> (attributed to C. Petronius Arbiter) cropped up...
>
> Most people probably know Petronius Arbiter from that famous dictum of his
> about corporate reorganisation, which decorates a million office and factory
> walls (and which some petty tyrants have ordered to be taken down, which has
> got to prove something). He was a close friend of Nero's, and was given his
> cognomen by the emperor in a sort of semi-official appointment: Arbiter
> Elegantiae, or Arbiter of Elegance. Though Iuppiter alone knows what Nero
> knew about good taste. In the end Petronius managed to upset his fat friend
> terminally (a rather common distinction in those days), and my guess is that
> his undoing was because Tigellinus told Nero that Caius Petronius was simply
> encouraging Nero to ever greater expositions of appalling tackiness just so
> he and his clever friends could wet their subligacula (linen or cotton
> underpants, tho' Cato's were probably woollen) laughing at Nero behind his
> back and wondering what new heights of kitsch they could inspire him to next.
> This kind of maiestas is unforgiveable, of course. Even more unforgiveable
> than, erm... maiestas.
>
> Petronius (so Tacitus says, in his Annales, xvi. 18-19) chose to commit
> suicide by opening his veins in a bath at home. But he threw a party at the
> same time, and regaled his guests with salacious and embarassing anecdotes of
> Nero's private life (having his veins tied up from time to time to slow
> things down until he ran out of material). Well, if you only die once...
>
> Petronius was without doubt a bitch. No doubt he would not be welcome here in
> our New Rome, which is modelled on another Rome than the one he knew, but
> even so, I found a resonance or two in this passage on public speaking, with
> which what's left of the Petronii Arbitri Satyricon begins...
>
> (adapted from the J P Sullivan translation, Penguin Classics):
>
> "Our teachers of rhetoric are surely just as obsessed when they shout: 'I got
> these wounds fighting for your freedom! This eye I lost for you. Give me your
> hand, and lead me to my children. I'm hamstrung, my legs cannot support me.'
> We could even put up with this crap if it was a sure way to becoming eloquent
> ourselves. But the only result of these pompous subjects, and empty
> thundering of platitudes, is that when public speakers first enter public
> life, they think they've landed on another planet. I'm sure the reason such
> young idiots are produced in our schools is because they have no contact with
> anything from ordinary life... every word, every gesture, is just so much
> nonsense.
>
> "People raised on this kind of stuff have as much chance of learning sense as
> scullions have of smelling clean... young men were not tied down to
> rhetorical exercises when Sophocles or Euripedes developed the proper
> language for them. Academic pedants hadn't curdled their brains when Pindar
> and the nine lyric poets moved on from the Homeric style. And apart from the
> poets I can cite, I certainly can't see Plato or Demosthenes going in for
> that sort of training... it isn't so long since that long-winded spouting of
> yours travelled from Asia to Athens and its stinking poisonous breath
> infected every youthful ambition. Once the rules are gone, eloquence loses
> vigour and voice... not even poetry has shown a spark of life...
>
> (pace Venator!)
>
> "'What's the answer? It's the parents you should blame. They won't allow
> their children to be controlled properly... If only parents wouldn't rush
> them through their studies! Then... young men would wait and listen before
> they tried themselves, and they would realize that an adolescent taste is
> totally worthless. Then the noble art of oratory would have its true weight
> and dignity. Boys today are frivolous in school; young men are objects of
> ridicule in public life;
>
> (pace Draco!)
>
> "and the greatest shame of all is that even when they grow old, they refuse
> to give up the mistakes they learned earlier..."
>
> "...Under smiling battlements of Martial Athens,
> In Lacedaemonian colony,
> Even by the Sirens' home,
> It's no matter;
> Verse for your early education,
> Deep joyful draughts from Homeric springs
> Then, be filled with the Socratic circle,
> Ride with reins loose,
> Swing the great sword of Demosthenes.
> Now our Roman squadrons sweep about you like a flood,
> Roman voices mixed with Greek music,
> Changing their savour.
> Then leave the Forum behind,
> And let your reading advance
> Until Fortuna's power
> Makes itself heard in histories:
> ...War's epic sounds should feast your ears,
> Shudder at the mighty orotundities
> Of Cicero, who never lost a cause...
> Only then, pour out your heart."
>
> There. I'll go along with that. Humanitas isn't something you automatically
> have by being born human. Romanitas is not something earned merely by having
> an address in Rome. Auctoritas
> isn't a purple stripe on your toga or a pair of cherry-red boots, nor is it
> counted in lictors... it is about learning to be Roman, by immersion. We
> should be ashamed of our ignorance, which makes us ridiculous in the eyes of
> of our spiritual ancestors; we should be as excited and as avid to learn as
> the Europeans of the last Classical Renaissance, when Cardinal Bessarion's
> library was rescued from the Turks and brought safely to Italy.
>
> We need to learn as we participate in the political life of our new Rome. And
> we need to do that here.
>
> Bene disceamus
>
> N. Moravius Vado.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Challenger |
| From: |
Razenna <razenna@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:01:29 -0800 |
|
Oh, but it has a lot to do with Roma. It has everything to do with Nova Roma because
the continuing exploration and exploitation of the frontier called space is the
future. Nova Roma is also of the future. At least that was my understanding when
this thing was started, when I first began corresponding with Fl. Vedius Germanicus
in March of 1998 c.e.. If Nova Roma is only concerned with the historical Roma then
Nova Roma is indeed simply another historical interest group. If Nova Roma is an
organization for and of the future then all aspects of the present and the future, as
well as the recent past, must fall within the purview of Nova Roma and all of us. We
are right in honoring those who have fallen and to move on beyond where they have
fallen in order to justify their lives and their loss. If we do not look to the
future we have scant right to the past or the present and are betraying the past and
the millennia of lives that have advanced us to the present with its blessings and
banes. It is Roman to honor the shades of those who have gone before us,
particularly those who have done great service to the State. And then Romans go on.
Dis Manibus Cosmonautae Astronautaeque.
Ave.
Ad Astra.
Caius Aelius Ericius salutes you and burns a virtual offering to your memory and your
promise.
He will burn a true offering shortly.
- - - - - - - - -
Space can satisfy all of humanities desires,
both sublime and gross. But it is not for the timid.
If the danger is too frightening then you should hide
under your bed or in the rear of a cave.
The meek shall inherit the earth,
the brave will get the stars.
--- In novaroma@--------, Caius Flavius Diocletianus <3s@h...> wrote:
> Salvete, Consul et alii
>
> we all should have time to read this speech, and we all should have the time to
> remember the horrible accident of the Challenger. Of course, that has nothing
> to do with Rome, but we should always remember such tragedies.
>
> Thank you, Consul for reminding us.
>
> Valete
> Caius Flavius Diocletianus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Challenger |
| From: |
gmvick32@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:59:35 -0700 |
|
Salve,
To further on Ericius' thoughts, one can draw a parallel
between the Romans and any people who have boldly ventured
into unknown territories. Not to discard the efforts of
others (Alexander the Great and the American pioneers come
to mind) who boldly pressed on into new territories, but
Romans were continuously pushing their borders and their
conquests ever further for much of their history. So do the
astronauts.
When Challenger went down I was a senior in high school.
Incidentally, that day I was delivering a physics research
project I had done on airplane wing aerodynamics (I was
heading for engineering school and had the stars in my eyes,
which dislodged later while trying to do differential
equations). It's a day I remember vividly.
I salute the human drive to explore what lies in the
unknown, just on the other side of the hill over there.
Livia Marcia Aurelia
Razenna wrote:
> Oh, but it has a lot to do with Roma. It has everything
> to do with Nova Roma because
> the continuing exploration and exploitation of the
> frontier called space is the
> future. Nova Roma is also of the future. At least that
> was my understanding when
> this thing was started, when I first began corresponding
> with Fl. Vedius Germanicus
> in March of 1998 c.e.. If Nova Roma is only concerned
> with the historical Roma then
> Nova Roma is indeed simply another historical interest
> group. If Nova Roma is an
> organization for and of the future then all aspects of the
> present and the future, as
> well as the recent past, must fall within the purview of
> Nova Roma and all of us. We
> are right in honoring those who have fallen and to move on
> beyond where they have
> fallen in order to justify their lives and their loss. If
> we do not look to the
> future we have scant right to the past or the present and
> are betraying the past and
> the millennia of lives that have advanced us to the
> present with its blessings and
> banes. It is Roman to honor the shades of those who have
> gone before us,
> particularly those who have done great service to the
> State. And then Romans go on.
>
> Dis Manibus Cosmonautae Astronautaeque.
> Ave.
> Ad Astra.
>
> Caius Aelius Ericius salutes you and burns a virtual
> offering to your memory and your
> promise.
> He will burn a true offering shortly.
>
> - - - - - - - - -
> Space can satisfy all of humanities desires,
> both sublime and gross. But it is not for the timid.
> If the danger is too frightening then you should hide
> under your bed or in the rear of a cave.
>
> The meek shall inherit the earth,
> the brave will get the stars.
>
>
>
> --- In novaroma@--------, Caius Flavius Diocletianus <3s@h...>
> wrote:
> > Salvete, Consul et alii
> >
> > we all should have time to read this speech, and we all
> should have the time to
> > remember the horrible accident of the Challenger. Of
> course, that has nothing
> > to do with Rome, but we should always remember such
> tragedies.
> >
> > Thank you, Consul for reminding us.
> >
> > Valete
> > Caius Flavius Diocletianus
>
>
>
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www.
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Yahoogroups Help |
| From: |
"C. Citius Cattus" <plunder@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:47:54 -0600 |
|
I looked over at the Yahoogroups site. I see that I can get my list
mailings to a Yahoo account, yet I would like to get my Nova Roma
mailings at a different, non-Yahoo e-mail account I have. Is it that
anyone has figured out how to do so?
Cordially,
C. Citius Cattus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Yahoogroups Help |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:48:02 -0800 |
|
Ave, I posted some instructions yesterday. On the conversion process. If
you can contact me privately, I would be pleased to offer any assistance
that I possibly can.
My email addy is: alexious@--------
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor of Nova Roma
"C. Citius Cattus" wrote:
> I looked over at the Yahoogroups site. I see that I can get my list
> mailings to a Yahoo account, yet I would like to get my Nova Roma
> mailings at a different, non-Yahoo e-mail account I have. Is it that
> anyone has figured out how to do so?
>
> Cordially,
> C. Citius Cattus
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Fair Tidings to All!! |
| From: |
ryetn66@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 05:24:11 -0000 |
|
Greetings!!
I have recently applied for citizenship and also have joined
this email group to meet other roman citizens!! I have a military
background ( former NCO in the Marines )and also am a former horseman.
I look forward to serving Rome if allowed...
Sincerely,
Gallus Aeneus Octavianus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] RE: Scutum question |
| From: |
Andy Pearson <andy.pearson@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:34:35 -0000 |
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Vindex Pompeiae Corneliae salutem plurinam dat.
Interesting question. I bet nobody really knows - but (you can guess what
comes next, can't you) I have thought up a theory.
If I remember correctly (big 'if'), the early republican scutum had a wooden
spine attached vertically down the front. A hole was cut in the centre of
the shield board, and the central portion of the spine then served as a
handle. The hand, thus exposed, was protected by the metal 'umbo' which was
fastened to the front of the shield and covered the area over the hole and
hand-grip.
Later, the scutum was held using a horizontal handle attached to the rear of
the shield board. This still required a hole in the shield board (to
accomodate the knuckles) and so still required a solid umbo attached on the
front of the shield.
I suggest that the vertical decorations you mention are simply a
manifestation of military conservatism - vestigial remnants of the old
vertical spine, put in place to remind the legionary of his legion's
glorious past and thus encourage him to live up to the heroic standards of
the past.
(the past was always a better place than the present - kids today don't
respect their parents as we did in my youth :-))
Vale
Vindex
>Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 22:53:35 -0000
> From: "Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
>Subject: Question about Roman Scutum
>Salvete Novae Romae et Sodales Militarium:
>I have a rather trivial question about the Roman shield which >I cannot
seem
>to locate an answer for. It's unfortunate that this >curiosity of mine did
>not surface when I was at Roman Days last year. I have >looked at some
sites
>and asked a couple of reenactors, and they cannot answer me.
>Maybe you can.........
>Imagine if you will......A Roman shield.....not the oval >Republican style,
>but the square shield. I understand shields varied from >cohort to cohort
>sometimes, but on many shields I you see arrows pointing up >at all four
>corners, from the center of the shield. which a couple of >sources tell me
>represent the thunderbolts of Iuppiter Optimus Maximus.
>Ok, pointing northwise and southwise, from the centre of the >shield are
>often long, triangular projections, which look to me like >the horn of an
>animal......now I don't believe in Unicorns but that is what >it looks
>like...........:)
>What are these projections representative of?
>I know this is a trivial question, but I am quite anxious to >know and
can't
>seem to find out.
>Valete,
>Pompeia Cornelia
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] RE: Scutum question |
| From: |
Marcus Papirius Justus <papirius@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 05:14:01 -0500 |
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At 09:34 AM 29/01/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>I suggest that the vertical decorations you mention are simply a
>manifestation of military conservatism - vestigial remnants of the old
>vertical spine, put in place to remind the legionary of his legion's
>glorious past and thus encourage him to live up to the heroic standards of
>the past.
My reply apparently didn't get through ... succinctly put, I think the
'horns' of which you speak are representations of the lancea; one might
even marvel at the 'graphic design' of such shields, if such a thing can be
said --- you've got Iupiter's lightning bolts converging on the centre of
the shield and emerging from the centre are the lanceae ...
mpj
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Petronius on Rhetoric |
| From: |
BICURRATUS@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:16:08 EST |
|
EX DOMO PUBLII CLAUDII LUCENTII SEVERI BICURRATI
David Wishart wrote a rather good novel on Petronius recounting his life as
he popped his clogs. The book is called NERO.
Bicurratus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Q. Fabius Maximus as ProConsul to the Provincia of California |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:08:24 -0500 (EST) |
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Salvete, Conscript Fathers and Citizens;
I strongly endorse the appointment of Q. Fabius Maximus to the position
of Provincia ProConsul. He has certainly earned this right with his
work for Nova Roma over the last year as Senior Consul. I have been
honored to work closely with this gentleman as a Co-Consul, and am quite
familiar with his "take charge" character, and his excellent ideas. His
deep experience as a Roman Historian and as a student of other related
cultures in this period that we seek to revive, is extremely valuable
and will stand the Provincia in good stead as it's Proconsul.
I then stand before you, most humbly, to garner your consideration for
the proposed position of ProConsul to this man, Q. Fabius Maximus, who
has labored long and hard for the micronation almost from the beginning
of it's inception. He has proven to be my mentor, opponent, colleague,
advisor, and friend in these years, and I feel from those contacts, I
have grown to know him well. He has my full approbation, confidence,
and my best wishes for the position that he seeks.
Honored Colleagues and Citizens, in my humble opinion, he not only
deserves your consideration, but you, in turn, deserve his most capable
and determined service.
Vale, Very Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Proconsul, Senator et Quaestor
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Then Romans Go On |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" <n_moravius@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:41:23 |
|
Salvete Quirites
I just read C. Aelius Ericius' post about the Romanitas of space exploration
which Fl. Vedius Germanicus posted earlier, concerning how we must look to
the future if we are not just to be another historical interest group:
>Oh, but it has a lot to do with Roma. It has everything to do with Nova
>Roma because
>the continuing exploration and exploitation of the frontier called space
>is the
>future. Nova Roma is also of the future. At least that was my
>understanding when
>this thing was started, when I first began corresponding with Fl. Vedius
>Germanicus
>in March of 1998 c.e.. If Nova Roma is only concerned with the historical
>Roma then
>Nova Roma is indeed simply another historical interest group. If Nova Roma
>is an
>organization for and of the future then all aspects of the present and the
>future, as
>well as the recent past, must fall within the purview of Nova Roma and all
>of us. We
>are right in honoring those who have fallen and to move on beyond where
>they have
>fallen in order to justify their lives and their loss. If we do not look
>to the
>future we have scant right to the past or the present and are betraying the
>past and
>the millennia of lives that have advanced us to the present with its
>blessings and
>banes. It is Roman to honor the shades of those who have gone before us,
>particularly those who have done great service to the State. And then
>Romans go on.
These are good words, and good sentiments. But it is also true, I think,
that a society without knowledge of its history is like a person without
memory - he has identity, but cannot define it; has a future, but cannot
chart its course, because without his past he cannot see where he has been
to know where he is going.
I happen to believe that Western civilization has lost its way, and needs to
retrace its steps somewhat. If that were not so, I would not be here.
Our ancestors did great things, and often all the thanks we give them for
their achievements is to use them mindlessly. It is thanks to pioneers in
space exploration that we can now flash instant messages around the whole
planet, and beyond - but what do we have to say to each other most of the
time? No doubt future space shuttles will be taking people to the moon or
Mars for no better reason than that they can afford it, and can say the've
been there, with never a thought that people died so they could go on a
cosmic bus trip.
Pioneers look to the future, and this is good. But looking to the past is
also good: the Challenger catastrophe is now as much part of our history,
part of a past to which we can look for encouragement and inspiration.
Lessons can be learned from past sufferings so that (we hope) those who died
did not do so pointlessly.
Bene disceamus (let us learn well)
Vado.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Fair Tidings to All!! |
| From: |
atheleas@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:32:06 EST |
|
In a message dated 1/28/01 11:25:53 PM Central Standard Time,
ryetn66@-------- writes:
<< I have recently applied for citizenship and also have joined
this email group to meet other roman citizens!! I have a military
background ( former NCO in the Marines )and also am a former horseman.
I look forward to serving Rome if allowed... >>
I too am a new citizen and ex-Mil. However, it was 8 yrs of IL National
Guard as a Chem, Ops. Specialist.
Arria Rutilia Emapanda
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Latin Proverb |
| From: |
VMoeller@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:32:35 EST |
|
Salvete Cives, Fraters et Sorors:
While reading the February edition of Successful Fundraising I
read this Proverb, previously unknown to me:
"We are all born equal, and distinguished alone by virtue" ----Latin
Proverb
I thought you might enjoy it too.
Valete, ---Secunda Cornelia Valeria
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Challenger |
| From: |
StarVVreck@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:45:20 EST |
|
Indeed, Until 1999 only the United States, Russia, and Japan had spacecraft
capable of reaching the outer orbits of Earth. Now however private companies
have successfully launched into the region known as 'outer space' from Ocean
Platforms and countries with less regulations. A CO-venture between Japan's
largest super-corporations even have serious plans to build a permanent
Resort Space-Station and have already spent Billions (If anyone knows more
about either please email me, I lost the links to back that up 2 weeks before
Christmas when I reformatted my C drive). While even if Nova Roma
concentrated all of its current available resources towards space exploration
it would be impossible at our current state of affairs, with the privatizing
of space it is a definite direction that Nova Roma as a whole should slowly
work up to. Launching a vehicle into upper orbits maybe even be more
obtainable in this modern, overpopulated world than to form our own
territorial boundaries and build cities of Roman standards (not that I don't
want that to).
Vale,
Titinius
In a message dated 1/29/01 2:10:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
razenna@-------- writes:
<< Oh, but it has a lot to do with Roma. It has everything to do with Nova
Roma because
the continuing exploration and exploitation of the frontier called space is
the
future. Nova Roma is also of the future. At least that was my
understanding when
this thing was started, when I first began corresponding with Fl. Vedius
Germanicus
in March of 1998 c.e.. If Nova Roma is only concerned with the historical
Roma then
Nova Roma is indeed simply another historical interest group. If Nova Roma
is an
organization for and of the future then all aspects of the present and the
future, as
well as the recent past, must fall within the purview of Nova Roma and all
of us. We
are right in honoring those who have fallen and to move on beyond where they
have
fallen in order to justify their lives and their loss. If we do not look to
the
future we have scant right to the past or the present and are betraying the
past and
the millennia of lives that have advanced us to the present with its
blessings and
banes. It is Roman to honor the shades of those who have gone before us,
particularly those who have done great service to the State. And then
Romans go on.
Dis Manibus Cosmonautae Astronautaeque.
Ave.
Ad Astra.
Caius Aelius Ericius salutes you and burns a virtual offering to your memory
and your
promise.
He will burn a true offering shortly.
- - - - - - - - -
Space can satisfy all of humanities desires,
both sublime and gross. But it is not for the timid.
If the danger is too frightening then you should hide
under your bed or in the rear of a cave.
The meek shall inherit the earth,
the brave will get the stars. >>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Roman Archaeology |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:00:45 -0800 |
|
Salvete Quirites!
The following snipped from the Archaelogy.org news
letter I receive. Some very good stuff!
POMPEII'S SANCTUARY OF APOLLO
http://archaeology.about.com/library/atlas/blitaly.htm
>From the American Journal of Archaeology, a complete article by Maureen
Carroll and David Godden on recent excavations. Also new this week is an
article by Ruth Westgate on Hellenistic mosaics at Pompeii.
APHRODISIAS
http://archaeology.about.com/library/atlas/blturkey.htm
Recent excavations at this Greek and Roman period site; report in American
Journal of Archaeology by R.R.R. Smith and Christopher Ratti
SARDIS
http://archaeology.about.com/library/atlas/blturkey.htm
Excavation report of Late Roman and Archaic levels of this ancient city;
complete article by Crawford H. Greenewalt, Jr. and Marcus L. Rautman in
American Journal of Archaeology. Also see the website from Harvard on the
recent excavations.
TRAJAN'S MARKETS
http://archaeology.about.com/library/atlas/blitaly.htm
Building Trajan's Markets 2: The Construction Process; complete .pdf article
by Lynne Lancaster in American Journal of Archaeology.
Bene valete,
-Oppius Flaccus Severus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Then Romans Go On |
| From: |
Lucius Sicinius Drusus <drusus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:58:28 -0500 |
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Salvete Quirites,
I would like to remind you that the Challenger Crew weren't the only
losses the space programs suffered. 34 years ago this past Saturday a
fire broke out while Apollo 1 was undergoing a preflight test. The 3 man
crew of Apollo 1 perished in that fire, Gus Grissom, Ed White, and Roger
Chaffie
Less than 3 months later on April 23,1967, as Soyuz 1 Reentered, it's
parachutes became tangled resulting in the death of Vladimir Komorov,
the only crew member.
On June 29,1971 as the crew from the first space station returned to
Earth aboard Soyuz 11, the cabin depressurized resulting in the deaths
of Georgi Dobrovolsky, Viktor Patsayev, and Vladislav Volkov.
There were also some times when we came very close to losing more space
travelers. the Apollo 13 Explosion, and the final Mercury flight come to
mind.
Valete
Lucius Sicinius Drusus
Nicolaus Moravius wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites
>
> I just read C. Aelius Ericius' post about the Romanitas of space
> exploration
> which Fl. Vedius Germanicus posted earlier, concerning how we must
> look to
> the future if we are not just to be another historical interest group:
>
> >Oh, but it has a lot to do with Roma. It has everything to do with
> Nova
> >Roma because
> >the continuing exploration and exploitation of the frontier called
> space
> >is the
> >future. Nova Roma is also of the future. At least that was my
> >understanding when
> >this thing was started, when I first began corresponding with Fl.
> Vedius
> >Germanicus
> >in March of 1998 c.e.. If Nova Roma is only concerned with the
> historical
> >Roma then
> >Nova Roma is indeed simply another historical interest group. If
> Nova Roma
> >is an
> >organization for and of the future then all aspects of the present
> and the
> >future, as
> >well as the recent past, must fall within the purview of Nova Roma
> and all
> >of us. We
> >are right in honoring those who have fallen and to move on beyond
> where
> >they have
> >fallen in order to justify their lives and their loss. If we do not
> look
> >to the
> >future we have scant right to the past or the present and are
> betraying the
> >past and
> >the millennia of lives that have advanced us to the present with its
> >blessings and
> >banes. It is Roman to honor the shades of those who have gone before
> us,
> >particularly those who have done great service to the State. And
> then
> >Romans go on.
>
> These are good words, and good sentiments. But it is also true, I
> think,
> that a society without knowledge of its history is like a person
> without
> memory - he has identity, but cannot define it; has a future, but
> cannot
> chart its course, because without his past he cannot see where he has
> been
> to know where he is going.
>
> I happen to believe that Western civilization has lost its way, and
> needs to
> retrace its steps somewhat. If that were not so, I would not be here.
>
> Our ancestors did great things, and often all the thanks we give them
> for
> their achievements is to use them mindlessly. It is thanks to pioneers
> in
> space exploration that we can now flash instant messages around the
> whole
> planet, and beyond - but what do we have to say to each other most of
> the
> time? No doubt future space shuttles will be taking people to the moon
> or
> Mars for no better reason than that they can afford it, and can say
> the've
> been there, with never a thought that people died so they could go on
> a
> cosmic bus trip.
>
> Pioneers look to the future, and this is good. But looking to the past
> is
> also good: the Challenger catastrophe is now as much part of our
> history,
> part of a past to which we can look for encouragement and inspiration.
>
> Lessons can be learned from past sufferings so that (we hope) those
> who died
> did not do so pointlessly.
>
> Bene disceamus (let us learn well)
>
> Vado.
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Challenger |
| From: |
razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:14:44 -0000 |
|
You take my post to conclusions much further than it was addressed. I
can not help but think that you just don't get it.
C. Aelius Ericius.
--- In novaroma@--------, StarVVreck@a... wrote:
> Indeed, Until 1999 only the United States, Russia, and Japan had
spacecraft
> capable of reaching the outer orbits of Earth. Now however private
companies
> have successfully launched into the region known as 'outer space'
from Ocean
> Platforms and countries with less regulations. A CO-venture between
Japan's
> largest super-corporations even have serious plans to build a
permanent
> Resort Space-Station and have already spent Billions (If anyone
knows more
> about either please email me, I lost the links to back that up 2
weeks before
> Christmas when I reformatted my C drive). While even if Nova Roma
> concentrated all of its current available resources towards space
exploration
> it would be impossible at our current state of affairs, with the
privatizing
> of space it is a definite direction that Nova Roma as a whole should
slowly
> work up to. Launching a vehicle into upper orbits maybe even be
more
> obtainable in this modern, overpopulated world than to form our own
> territorial boundaries and build cities of Roman standards (not that
I don't
> want that to).
>
> Vale,
> Titinius
>
>
> In a message dated 1/29/01 2:10:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> raz--------@-------- writ--------/font>
>
> << Oh, but it has a lot to do with Roma. It has everything to do
with Nova
> Roma because
> the continuing exploration and exploitation of the frontier called
space is
> the
> future. Nova Roma is also of the future. At least that was my
> understanding when
> this thing was started, when I first began corresponding with Fl.
Vedius
> Germanicus
> in March of 1998 c.e.. If Nova Roma is only concerned with the
historical
> Roma then
> Nova Roma is indeed simply another historical interest group. If
Nova Roma
> is an
> organization for and of the future then all aspects of the present
and the
> future, as
> well as the recent past, must fall within the purview of Nova Roma
and all
> of us. We
> are right in honoring those who have fallen and to move on beyond
where they
> have
> fallen in order to justify their lives and their loss. If we do
not look to
> the
> future we have scant right to the past or the present and are
betraying the
> past and
> the millennia of lives that have advanced us to the present with
its
> blessings and
> banes. It is Roman to honor the shades of those who have gone
before us,
> particularly those who have done great service to the State. And
then
> Romans go on.
>
> Dis Manibus Cosmonautae Astronautaeque.
> Ave.
> Ad Astra.
>
> Caius Aelius Ericius salutes you and burns a virtual offering to
your memory
> and your
> promise.
> He will burn a true offering shortly.
>
> - - - - - - - - -
> Space can satisfy all of humanities desires,
> both sublime and gross. But it is not for the timid.
> If the danger is too frightening then you should hide
> under your bed or in the rear of a cave.
>
> The meek shall inherit the earth,
> the brave will get the stars. >>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Fair Tidings to All!! |
| From: |
Rick Boros <ryetn66@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:15:46 -0800 (PST) |
|
Hello Emapanda,
It gladens my heart to hear from another citizen
of the empire!! Glad to also hear of your military
background. My job was naturally infantry as well as
avionics. For now I would like to return in a calvary
unit, if the legions still have such units!!
Octavianus
--- atheleas@-------- wrote:
> >>
>
> I too am a new citizen and ex-Mil. However, it was
> 8 yrs of IL National
> Guard as a Chem, Ops. Specialist.
>
> Arria Rutilia Emapanda
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Invalid Votes - second round |
| From: |
Mike Macnair <MikeMacnair@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:21:46 -0500 |
|
Salvete Quirites!
Further to our previous message, the Rogatores have received the following
further invalid votes:
Concilium Plebis
Tracking No. Voter Code
1045 GNOSI
1053 MQ1[figures one]208
1061 LKY514
1052 ZNT003 [patrician voter code in Concilium Plebis, &
blank]
1057 & 1058 PGV960[duplicate votes by same voter cancelling
each other out]
Comitia Tributa
Tracking No. Voter Code
3061 MQ1[figures one]208
3076 LKY514
3078 DJT851
Please check your tracking numbers and if you have entered your voter code
incorrectly, re-vote, or otherwise contact the Censors. In the cases of
Voter Codes ZNT003 and PGV960, please contact the Rogatores.
In case anyone didn't notice it before, we re-post the previous list of
invalid notes:
Concilium Plebis
Tracking No. Voter Code
1002 1183
1009 CEN321
1011 ROA112
1015 QLQ126
1023 MINOSSE
1029 LKY514
1033 APR023
1034 1138
1037 QXJ340
Comitia Tributa
3004 ROA112
3017 APR023
3019 0[zero]XN227
3021 1138
3026 QXJ340
Valete,
Rogatores
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Latin Proverb |
| From: |
LucillaCornelia@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:38:38 -0500 |
|
Quiritibus salutem,
Many thanks to my esteemed soror, Secunda, for sharing a most inspirational proverb.
This reminded me of an observation made by Seneca (in his Letters to Lucilius), and one of my favorite quotes:
Men do not care how nobly they live, but only how long;
although it is within the reach of every man to live nobly,
but within no man's power to live long . . .
Thanks again, Secunda!
Si bene valeatis, bene valeo,
Lucilla
--
Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] EDICTUM CURATORIS ARANEUM |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:59:13 -0800 |
|
Salve Marce Octavi,
Gratias multas for the scriba appointment. I look
forward to working with you and the other members
of the NR web team!
Bene vale,
-Oppius
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcus Octavius Germanicus [mailto:haase@--------]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 6:49 PM
> To: Nova Roma; novaromawebsites@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] EDICTUM CURATORIS ARANEUM
>
>
>
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