| Subject: |
[novaroma] The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement |
| From: |
deformosanus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 00:03:45 -0000 |
|
Salubritas---'wholesomeness' Health and Cleanliness
Salvete,
As the leaders of the revolutionary AMICI SALUBRITAS movement, I,
Appleofius Deformosanus, and my son, Sexless Appleofius Wacko,
herewith issue this brief statement of our demands.
1. We desire all Nova Romani to take a bath.
2. We demand that all Nova Romani flush the toilet when they are
finished, {especially in public bathrooms, PLEASE people???}
3. Due to an increasing number of lard butts in out Res Publica, we
call for all Nova Romani to get off their duffs and get some exercise.
Signed on this day in Fatkow, Poland,
Appleofius Deformosanus
Sexless Appleofius Wacko.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Challenger |
| From: |
StarVVreck@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:16:12 EST |
|
In a message dated 1/29/01 4:29:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
razenna@-------- writes:
<< You take my post to conclusions much further than it was addressed. I
can not help but think that you just don't get it.
>>
And you mine, I was only elaborating.
Titinius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement |
| From: |
gmvick32@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:00:48 -0700 |
|
THIS is incredibly tasteless. Whoever did this should be
really ashamed of themselves. This is not Roman.
Livia Marcia Aurelia
deformosanus@-------- wrote:
> Salubritas---'wholesomeness' Health and Cleanliness
>
> Salvete,
>
> As the leaders of the revolutionary AMICI SALUBRITAS
> movement, I,
> Appleofius Deformosanus, and my son, Sexless Appleofius
> Wacko,
> herewith issue this brief statement of our demands.
>
> 1. We desire all Nova Romani to take a bath.
>
> 2. We demand that all Nova Romani flush the toilet when
> they are
> finished, {especially in public bathrooms, PLEASE
> people???}
>
> 3. Due to an increasing number of lard butts in out Res
> Publica, we
> call for all Nova Romani to get off their duffs and get
> some exercise.
>
> Signed on this day in Fatkow, Poland,
>
> Appleofius Deformosanus
> Sexless Appleofius Wacko.
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
www.
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Q. Fabius Maximus as ProConsul to the Provincia of California |
| From: |
LucillaCornelia@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:59:56 -0500 |
|
Salvete, Conscript Fathers and Quirites:
I whole-heartedly endorse the appointment of Quintus Fabius Maximus to the position of Provincia ProConsul. Q. Fabius Maximus has consistently proven his devotion to NR via his exemplary attention to duty within the many and several high offices he has held within our Res Publica; he has dispatched these offices with honor. This gentleman has distinguished himself as an indefatigable leader, independent thinker and articulate spokesperson on behalf of our great nation.
Q. Fabius Maximus' passion for the advancement of Romanitas and keen grasp of sociocultural, religious and military history of Roma Antiqua further augment his administrative and organizational expertise; he skillfully combines the deepest respect for Roma Antiqua with a future vision of Nova Roma. These many exemplary qualities barely begin to describe this outstanding candidate's Dignitas.
With deepest humility I stand before you, Conscript Fathers, to request your consideration of Quintus Fabius Maximus as proposed for the position of ProConsul. This gentleman has distinguished himself in many several and singular ways, working tirelessly on behalf of our great Res Publica very nearly since its founding. And I have every confidence that Q. Fabius Maximus will continue in the service of this vision. He has proven to me to be a most valuable resource, arbiter, mentor and advisor of inestimable worth; I endorse him without reservation for this most important post.
Honoratissimi et Quirites, I humbly entreat you to consider Quintus Fabius Maximus not only because he is the optimal choice for ProConsul; but because he will always, most capably and consistently, put the best interests of the Res Publica first.
Si bene valeatis, bene valeo,
Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata
Musea, Collegiae Euterpe et Terpsichore
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement |
| From: |
tekwkp@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:19:46 EST |
|
Gross, in all ways! Is there no ways to track the originator? Beyond
tastless, and gross, it is truly sick!!! Ugh!
L. Corenlius Drusus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement |
| From: |
"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 01:31:35 -0000 |
|
Salve, to whomever you may be:
Don't you think it is time to, well, "Get a life"?? to put it very
succinctly (and I could be much, much more succinct, but Roman Virtue and my
Gubernatorial office restrain me)
Madam Curatrix, Praetor Urbanis, could this be addressed with due swiftness,
please?
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Propraetrix Canada Orientalis
Nova Roma
>From: deformosanus@--------
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement
>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 00:03:45 -0000
>
>Salubritas---'wholesomeness' Health and Cleanliness
>
>Salvete,
>
> As the leaders of the revolutionary AMICI SALUBRITAS movement, I,
>Appleofius Deformosanus, and my son, Sexless Appleofius Wacko,
>herewith issue this brief statement of our demands.
>
>1. We desire all Nova Romani to take a bath.
>
>2. We demand that all Nova Romani flush the toilet when they are
>finished, {especially in public bathrooms, PLEASE people???}
>
>3. Due to an increasing number of lard butts in out Res Publica, we
>call for all Nova Romani to get off their duffs and get some exercise.
>
>Signed on this day in Fatkow, Poland,
>
>Appleofius Deformosanus
>Sexless Appleofius Wacko.
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:25:04 -0800 |
|
Ave,
Let me also add my voice to the list of citizens who have spoken against
this post. I think this post was in very poor taste. It detracts from the
dignitas of Nova Roma, IMHO.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement
> Salve, to whomever you may be:
>
> Don't you think it is time to, well, "Get a life"?? to put it very
> succinctly (and I could be much, much more succinct, but Roman Virtue and
my
> Gubernatorial office restrain me)
>
> Madam Curatrix, Praetor Urbanis, could this be addressed with due
swiftness,
> please?
>
> Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
> Propraetrix Canada Orientalis
> Nova Roma
>
>
> >From: deformosanus@--------
> >Reply-To: novaroma@--------
> >To: novaroma@--------
> >Subject: [novaroma] The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement
> >Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 00:03:45 -0000
> >
> >Salubritas---'wholesomeness' Health and Cleanliness
> >
> >Salvete,
> >
> > As the leaders of the revolutionary AMICI SALUBRITAS movement, I,
> >Appleofius Deformosanus, and my son, Sexless Appleofius Wacko,
> >herewith issue this brief statement of our demands.
> >
> >1. We desire all Nova Romani to take a bath.
> >
> >2. We demand that all Nova Romani flush the toilet when they are
> >finished, {especially in public bathrooms, PLEASE people???}
> >
> >3. Due to an increasing number of lard butts in out Res Publica, we
> >call for all Nova Romani to get off their duffs and get some exercise.
> >
> >Signed on this day in Fatkow, Poland,
> >
> >Appleofius Deformosanus
> >Sexless Appleofius Wacko.
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Challenger |
| From: |
"C. Citius Cattus" <kitpar@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:32:22 -0600 |
|
No, you were going off how NovaRoma should travel into space...
On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:16:12 EST, wrote:
> >>
>And you mine, I was only elaborating.
>Titinius
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement |
| From: |
LucillaCornelia@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:39:11 -0500 |
|
Ave Quiritibus:
I am completely dismayed and disgusted at this most tasteless and derogatory of posts. Not only is it a supreme insult to the Apolloniae, but a most eggregious offense against all Quirites of NR, as well.
Ersatz humor is one thing; but a most feeble and warped attempt at humor at the expense of another is entirely a different issue. A deliberate attack with the intent to hurt and denigrate? This is no better than assault.
May the individual(s) responsible for such an offense be swiftly found and dealt with accordingly.
Valete bene,
Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata
novaroma@-------- wrote:
>
> Salubritas---'wholesomeness' Health and Cleanliness
>
> Salvete,
>
> As the leaders of the revolutionary AMICI SALUBRITAS movement, I,
> Appleofius Deformosanus, and my son, Sexless Appleofius Wacko,
> herewith issue this brief statement of our demands.
>
> 1. We desire all Nova Romani to take a bath.
>
> 2. We demand that all Nova Romani flush the toilet when they are
> finished, {especially in public bathrooms, PLEASE people???}
>
> 3. Due to an increasing number of lard butts in out Res Publica, we
> call for all Nova Romani to get off their duffs and get some exercise.
>
> Signed on this day in Fatkow, Poland,
>
> Appleofius Deformosanus
> Sexless Appleofius Wacko.
>
>
>
>
--
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement |
| From: |
"Colin Brodd" <colinbrodd@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:42:44 -0500 |
|
Salvete omnes!
So much for dignitas et gravitas!
I agree that this is terribly un-Roman, and indeed just plain terrible.
I'm sure, of course, that this is the reaction that the stulti who posted it
wanted to get from us, o cives.
What irks me most is the misuse of Latin . . . unless they truly
intended it to say "The Health of a Friend" as it does. I assume they meant
to write "The Friends of Health" or somesuch (Amici Salubritatis), similar
to the "Amici Dignitatis" to which I've seen references but have not been on
this list long enough to glean any details about. I do wish that people who
are utterly ignorant of Latin would stop trying to write in that language!
{sigh}. Well, while I hope that someone who is able tracks this, I'm
going to ignore it hence . . .
- C. Valerianus Germanicus
>Salubritas---'wholesomeness' Health and Cleanliness
>
>Salvete,
>
> As the leaders of the revolutionary AMICI SALUBRITAS movement, I,
>Appleofius Deformosanus, and my son, Sexless Appleofius Wacko,
>herewith issue this brief statement of our demands.
>
>1. We desire all Nova Romani to take a bath.
>
>2. We demand that all Nova Romani flush the toilet when they are
>finished, {especially in public bathrooms, PLEASE people???}
>
>3. Due to an increasing number of lard butts in out Res Publica, we
>call for all Nova Romani to get off their duffs and get some exercise.
>
>Signed on this day in Fatkow, Poland,
>
>Appleofius Deformosanus
>Sexless Appleofius Wacko.
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:48:39 -0800 |
|
Salvete;
I might humbly additionally request that anyone
who publicly speaks out against this post
to please NOT forward the text of the offending
post as well. It should die where it stands and
get no additional exposure.
Bene valete,
-Oppius Flaccus Severus
-----Original Message-----
From: Pompeia Cornelia [mailto:scriba_forum@--------]
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 5:32 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement
Salve, to whomever you may be:
Don't you think it is time to, well, "Get a life"?? to put it very
succinctly (and I could be much, much more succinct, but Roman Virtue and my
Gubernatorial office restrain me)
Madam Curatrix, Praetor Urbanis, could this be addressed with due swiftness,
please?
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Propraetrix Canada Orientalis
Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Re: Law Idea-My last comments |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:54:56 -0800 |
|
Salvete Senator Marce Marci et omnes,
I would have replied sooner, but alas I was on
holiday for a few days. In the course of the past
few days, many eloquent statements have been made
by others regarding this most unfortunate sequence
of events.
In catching up with my mail from the past
few days, it has become apparent that the issues
of note here have affected a great many people, caused some
grievous misunderstandings and brought discord
amongst others. Members of gens Cornelia and others
have spoken most eloquently regarding the internal
dynamics of their unfortunate intra-gens turmoil
and I will formally excuse myself from any further
discussion on that portion of the proposed IM Lex.
I have made a few additional statements and comments
below where I believe them to be appropriate. Some
may choose not to agree with same; which is fine.
Comments below...
-----Original Message-----
From: Marc [mailto:RexMarcius@--------]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 2:11 AM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Law Idea
Salve Oppi Flacce!
You requested a few clarifications and I will gladly give them to you
and all others who care to read this.
<snip>
Well, my dear Oppi, in the absence of publicly presented evidence or
even statements of what happened I can only say that: If Sulla did a
righteous and just thing with my new daughter his dignitas will
certainly grow.
OFS: Per my statements above, I decline further comment on this
item.
If what the contents of this "secret" AIM Conversation concerned
plans by Sulla to bring Nova Roma to new heights, he will rightly be
honoured for this.
OFS: I appreciate the clarification here. We are back though
to the issue of 'secret' AIM conversations and stepping away
from the moderate text that was proposed. I maintain (and do
not expect you to agree,) that had this potential Lex been
proposed by anyone else, it would not have received the negative
connotations that you have attached to it.
If on the other hand, our esteemed Censor used his paterfamilias
power in a way that could also be labelled abuse, he will also
receive what he deserves, at least in the form of public criticism.
OFS: So, he would be deserving of public criticism in this
situation. As for any *perceived* 'abuse,' I will leave this
to the internal mechanisms of the gens Cornelia. The internal
issues here are not up to the *public* to decide.
But as far as I can guess (here is talk about an investigation!!!!!),
the content of the AIM conversation did NOT only concern the gens
Cornelia....but Nova Roma in general. Therefore, not only the honor
of my daughter who was expelled by Sulla (yet unexplained to the
public) is a matter for dicussion but also the content of this
conversation, that obviously needs to be hidden now!
OFS: Whether or not said conversations contained information
regarding NR or not, they were *internal* and perceived by at least
one more parties as *private.* Period. Intra-gens issues put
aside for legal discussion. One needs to determine *what*
the cut-off is for when something becomes an official
"Nova Roma" discussion. Is it the mere mention of the name?
Since you have been so good as to clarify your positions
elsewhere, I for one would like to receive your clarification
on exactly *what* in your mind constitutes an 'official'
discussion.
<snip>
Do you really think that in Roma antiqua actions of patres familiae
were NEVER questioned or criticised?
OFS: Absolutely not! Questioned? yes. Criticized? yes. In the
end though, it really makes no difference. Paterfamilias is
Paterfamilias. Since you are looking to make a purist reconstructionist
reference (my interpretation,) then I simply make one as well.
Do you believe that fathers that
rape and hit their children should be spared in Nova Roma? (For the
record: No, this is NOT what I want to infer Sulla did!)
OFS: Hardly, Senator. Yes, I take the meaning correctly that
you are only drawing an analogy here. However, as can
often be the case when raw emotions are involved, your analogy
is overtly extreme. Yes, I know that it is fashionable to the
followers of 'Liberal Intellectualism' to draw direct parallels
between the words someone uses and direct and severe actions
such as rape, assault, murder, etc. Such dangerous parallels
have been drawn by others in Nova Roma before and undoubtedly
will be again.
As to your usage of the term 'spared,' I an unclear as to the
breadth of your use of the term here. In the interest of productive
discussion, I will not attempt to interpret it here.
The right to
a family life is also a human right, but every right can be abused
and, therefore, sometimes the public must not remain quiet. I demand
an apology or at least an explanation for the shame that has been put
on my daughter by her former paterfamilias.
OFS: As to the perceived 'shaming' here, per my salutation
I will not comment further. As to your assertions on human
rights; no it has never been universal law, natural or otherwise
that any entity belongs in a 'sanctioned' familial structure.
Nice? yes. Desirable? yes. Natural 'human right'? No. I will
agree with you though to the extent that it would certainly
be *ideal* if all humans did in fact have this luxury. Millions
around the world do not, and of those of us that do; familial
life is not always 'naturally perfect' by any stretch of the
imagination.
<snip>
You obviously misunderstood me, but I forgive you, it happens
frequently here on the list.
OFS: I absolutely agree; misunderstanding is a *rampant* beast
on this list.
I pledged to Senator and Censor Sulla
that I would judge him by the actions he sets from the beginning of
the year onwards and forget about the past.
OFS: This is indeed very honorable and something we should
all strive for. Indeed, I hope you do so.
And I pledged to him that
I would criticise him again, if I saw the need for it.
OFS: In and of itself, this is agreed and expected. None of
us seem to have a problem 'calling others to the mat' when
we see the need for it.
My adoption of
Livia is a great honour for me and it was out of the blue only
because she was expelled by Sulla. Many, many gentes I am sure would
have (and indeed have) asked her to join them. That she became a
Marcia only gives me more incentive to hold true to my pledge.
OFS: Per my salutation, I refrain from comment here.
<snip>
FYI: It is illegal in Austria to tap a phone or a conversation
without a judge's order, but, depending on the crime overheard, it is
nonetheless admissible in a criminal court. FYI I taught criminal law
at university and for training purposes also a short time as a public
prosecutor in a county court. So I know a little bit about these
things.
OFS: Then I humbly defer to your knowledge of Austrian criminal law.
If this progresses to formal discussions in the Senate (if it has
not already done so,) then the phrase 'depending on the crime overheard'
would be one of the key elements begging definition. Additionally,
what if any hold such laws would hold for nationals of other countries.
<snip>
Now here is my point: Sulla wants a lex specifically covering his own
tracks. Do not distract from this.
OFS: But Senator, I *do* distract from this. Again, this is the crux of
the issue if you will, seeking agreement on specifically *what* the
issue is. You are equating motives with a proposed Lex, instead of
discussing the Lex on its own merits. Referencing a previous point,
this would be an entirely different (and subsequently more focused)
discussion, if *anyone* other than Censor Sulla had proposed the Lex.
I mentioned all the other modes of
communication (and there are many ways) to show that all points to a
situation where he wants to get rid of the "Investigation" by making
something "inadmissible" which obviously conecerns him (and not only
gens Cornelia internally). At least that is the image that I got.
OFS: And others have received this image as well, still others
have received a much different image.
If only someone else had proposed this, e.g. my daughter, everything
would be different.
OFS: Thank you for this! Exactly my point. If anyone 'else' had
proposed this....
<snip>
The main question for me is not, whether it should be legal or
illegal, but whether it should be admissible.
OFS: Yes, and I will agree with you that there is a particular
issue of focus and discussion here: what *should* be admissible
evidence and what *should not.*
Suppose (for the
record: not what I believe) the converstaion was about the stealing
of the Nova Roma trade mark, or the murder of Consul Germanicus. THIS
concerns us all. And just because it was an AIM chat, it should not
be admissible in court or even lead to an "investigation"?
OFS: Yes, a serious threat to the Respublica; under any guise
*could* be perceived as concerning us all. Again, a matter
of *perception,* which perhaps begs definition. One could equally
really trivialize this and apply something as innocuous as stating
something like "Gee, I really dislike the Consuls and their policies.
They're bad for NR...I wish they would go away." Discussion or
ruthless anti-Respublican plot? (My own analogy and no-I do NOT think
this.)
Back to specifics. AIM is but *one* mode of private or public
communication, depending on definition and context. Another
issue this raises is *what* constitutes an official 'investigation?'
We do not as of yet have a rigid magisterial structure. This
begs definition as well.
> Therefore, I fear that the timing and way you put this "idea"
> forward smacks a little bit of a Nixonian effort to conceal
something
> by introducing a lex that makes it impossible to use something which
> obviously concerns YOU.
>
> OFS: NIXONIAN? Mixing macronational metaphors of which you are
> not even a part of sir? Oh, let us not even get *started*
> down that road. I submit that as you are in no
> way capable of unbiased analysis in regards to the proposed idea
> for a Lex, that perhaps you might be so good as to table
> yourself from the discussion?
>
Well Sir, I shall not do so, if you forgive me.
OFS: It is not up to me to forgive, Senator. You have your opinions,
I have mine and others have theirs. My request stands, you choose
to continue in your current vein; stalemate on that point and enough said.
<snip>
Well I hope you are not biased against me now ;-)
OFS: Not at all Senator. Disagree with you? Yes. Wish that
you were less emotionally involved with a public legal discussion? Yes.
Biased? No. Though we may disagree, you still have my
full respect as a noble Senator of Nova Roma.
<snip>
Well, then let the magistrates responsible for the "investigation"
make a public statement. Then we can talk further about timetables.
OFS: Agreed, thank you for this.
An please do not wonder about me, you can have all the information
you want, by simply asking.:-)
OFS: Thank you. I would also request the same of you in 'wondering'
about the motives and opinions of others as well.
Bene valete,
-Oppius Flaccus Severus
<snip>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] New Luperci Fabiani - Sextus Appolonius Draco |
| From: |
cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:08:49 EST |
|
Salvete,
On behalf of the Collegium Pontificum, it is my pleasure to announce that
Sextus Appolonius Draco has been approved as a Lupercus Fabianus within Nova
Roma.
The Luperci Fabiani were a Priesthood best known for their association with
the rites of the Lupercalia festival, which was held on the 15th of February.
Draco has had suggested some ideas for this priesthood which seem to have
good potential, and I am sure that he will do well in this position. I hope
that all of Nova Roma will join me in welcoming him as a member of the
Priesthood!
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Flamen Portunus - Marcus Arcadius Pius |
| From: |
cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:17:58 EST |
|
Salvete,
On behalf of the Collegium Pontificum, it is my pleasure to announce that
Marcus Arcadius Pius has been approved as the new Flamen Portunus within Nova
Roma.
The Flamen Portunus was the chief priest of Portunus, a god associated with
harbors whos center of worship was in the Tiber harbor. (The Temple to
Portunus at the head of the Pons Aemilius is one of the best preserved
temples in Rome.)
Marcus Arcadius Pius will no doubt do well in developing this aspect of the
Religio Romana. I hope that all of Nova Roma will join me in welcoming him
into his new position as Flamen!
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Sacerdos Neptunus - Oppius Flaccus Severus |
| From: |
cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:20:33 EST |
|
Salvete,
On behalf of the Collegium Pontificum, it is my pleasure to announce that
Oppius Flaccus Severus has been approved as a Sacerdos Neptunus within Nova
Roma.
The position of Sacerdos Neptunus involves both maintaining and building the
worship of Neptune within Nova Roma.
Oppius Flaccus has had suggested some ideas for this priesthood which seem to
have good potential, and I am sure that he will do well in this position. I
hope that all of Nova Roma will join me in welcoming him as a member of the
Priesthood!
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Law Idea-My last comments |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:42:33 -0200 |
|
Oppius Flaccus Severus wrote:
>
> FYI: It is illegal in Austria to tap a phone or a conversation
> without a judge's order, but, depending on the crime overheard, it is
> nonetheless admissible in a criminal court. FYI I taught criminal law
> at university and for training purposes also a short time as a public
> prosecutor in a county court. So I know a little bit about these
> things.
>
> OFS: Then I humbly defer to your knowledge of Austrian criminal law.
> If this progresses to formal discussions in the Senate (if it has
> not already done so,) then the phrase 'depending on the crime overheard'
> would be one of the key elements begging definition. Additionally,
> what if any hold such laws would hold for nationals of other countries.
>
> <snip>
Just wanting to add on this: seems that in most countries if there is a
crime (any crime) overheard in this way, the presentation of the tape in
court will be
accepted, you would even become a cumplice of the crime by not
presenting the
evidence to the police. For Audio/Video tapes the scientific police has
become
good enough to detect forgeries and the possibility of those isn t
anymore an argument for invalidading such evidences.
The respect of privacy aspect was never important outside of the USA and
certainly not in antique Rome, why introduce such a strange thing in
Nova Roma ?
Manius Villius Limitanus
|
| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Flamen Portunus - Marcus Arcadius Pius |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:59:40 -0800 |
|
Salve Flamen Marce Arcadi! Congratulations on your
appointment! As a newly appointed Sacerdos Neptunus,
I fully appreciate your area of worship. I hope
as new appointees we can work together in the establishment
of our respective spheres of worship.
Bene vale,
-Oppius Flaccus Severus, Sacerdos Neptunus
-----Original Message-----
From: cassius622@-------- [mailto:cassius622@--------]
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 7:18 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Cc: ReligioRomana@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Flamen Portunus - Marcus Arcadius Pius
Salvete,
On behalf of the Collegium Pontificum, it is my pleasure to announce that
Marcus Arcadius Pius has been approved as the new Flamen Portunus within
Nova
Roma.
The Flamen Portunus was the chief priest of Portunus, a god associated with
harbors whos center of worship was in the Tiber harbor. (The Temple to
Portunus at the head of the Pons Aemilius is one of the best preserved
temples in Rome.)
Marcus Arcadius Pius will no doubt do well in developing this aspect of the
Religio Romana. I hope that all of Nova Roma will join me in welcoming him
into his new position as Flamen!
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Congrats |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:09:04 -0800 |
|
To our new Religios officers! May Nova Roma prosper from your religious devotion.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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|
| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Platner and Ashby Dic. of Rome available on the Perseus web site |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:28:20 -0800 |
|
Gratias multas! Excellent and informative!
-Oppius
-----Original Message-----
From: sfp55@-------- [mailto:sfp55@--------]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 10:05 AM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Platner and Ashby Dic. of Rome available on the
Perseus web site
Salvete Citizens FYI
The Perseus Project is pleased to announce the addition of Samuel Ball
Platner and Thomas Ashby's 1928 edition of "A Topographical Dictionary of
Ancient Rome" to the Classics collection.
Platner and Ashby's "A Topographical Dictionary of Ancient Rome" is one of
the primary sources for the study of Roman Topography. Since the
dictionary documents the state of our understanding of the topography of
Rome as of 1928, some material is understandably now out-of-date. But, the
wealth of information contained in the dictionary, including references to
scholarship and primary source materials (for example, CIL inscriptions
and ancient authors) still makes Platner and Ashby a valuable introductory
resource for studying the growth and development of Rome from a literary,
historical, and archaeological perspective.
Images from the Perseus Roman image catalog are in the process of being
linked to the dictionary entries. Currently, images are only available for
larger topographical topics (i.e. Campus Martius). In addition, the
dictionary will eventually be linked to maps of Rome.
Some quick links:
1. sample entry - Campus Martius
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0054
&q
uery=head%3D%23323"
2. main text
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0054
3. table of contents
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0054
&l
ayout=&loc=preface&query=toc
If you encounter any problems with the text please let us know. Email a
detailed message to webmaster@--------
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Basilica News |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:38:58 -0800 |
|
Salve -works like a charm! No problems
with access.
Vale bene,
-Oppius
-----Original Message-----
From: loos [mailto:loos]On Behalf Of Michel Loos
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 7:44 AM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Basilica News
Salvete,
I am setting up database on Roman (antique) Magistrates, and would need
somebody
to test it.
It just in order to see if anybody else can access it, but any
suggestion
is welcome.
try:
http:200.183.94.23:8080/magistrates2.php
It s experimental and on my home computer, so for the moment no 24h
access etc.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Flamen Portunus - Marcus Arcadius Pius |
| From: |
"Daniel Place" <Danat2000@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:22:30 +1030 |
|
Salve;
Many thanks, and yes I am sure that we can work together to recontruct the
worship of our maritime gods!! I wish you all the best.
vale
Marcus Arcadius Pius
Pontiff
Flamen Portunalis
----- Original Message -----
From: Oppius Flaccus Severus <oppiusflaccus@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 2:29 PM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] Flamen Portunus - Marcus Arcadius Pius
> Salve Flamen Marce Arcadi! Congratulations on your
> appointment! As a newly appointed Sacerdos Neptunus,
> I fully appreciate your area of worship. I hope
> as new appointees we can work together in the establishment
> of our respective spheres of worship.
>
> Bene vale,
> -Oppius Flaccus Severus, Sacerdos Neptunus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Congrats |
| From: |
"Daniel Place" <Danat2000@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:23:25 +1030 |
|
Salve,
Many thanks. And if I can be of assistance to anyone feel free to get in
touch with me.
vale
Marcus Arcadius Pius
Pontiff
Flamen Portunalis
----- Original Message -----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla <alexious@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 2:39 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Congrats
> To our new Religios officers! May Nova Roma prosper from your religious
devotion.
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Fair Tidings to All!! |
| From: |
Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:59:22 -0800 (PST) |
|
> << I have recently applied for citizenship and also
> have joined
> this email group to meet other roman citizens!! I
> have a military
> background ( former NCO in the Marines )and also am
> a former horseman.
> I look forward to serving Rome if allowed... >>
>
> I too am a new citizen and ex-Mil. However, it was
> 8 yrs of IL National
> Guard as a Chem, Ops. Specialist.
>
> Arria Rutilia Emapanda
Welcome both of you to NovaRoma!
L Aetius Dalmaticus
(US Army, still serving)
=====
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement |
| From: |
Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:08:21 -0800 (PST) |
|
This is completely tasteless. The author of this
document should be ashamed of him/herself. I doubt we
will ever know the author, since this is clearly the
work of an immature mind.
L Aetius Dalmaticus
--- deformosanus@-------- wrote:
> Salubritas---'wholesomeness' Health and Cleanliness
=====
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CMR 420, BOX 2839
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Fair Tidings to All!! |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:34:06 -0800 |
|
Salve Galle Aeneus Octaviane and welcome! We look forward to your
citizenship approval and future contributions. Bona Fortuna!
Bene vale,
-Oppius Flaccus Severus, Sacerdos Neptunus et Scriba
-----Original Message-----
From: ryetn66@-------- [mailto:ryetn66@--------]
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 9:24 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Fair Tidings to All!!
Greetings!!
I have recently applied for citizenship and also have joined
this email group to meet other roman citizens!! I have a military
background ( former NCO in the Marines )and also am a former horseman.
I look forward to serving Rome if allowed...
Sincerely,
Gallus Aeneus Octavianus
|
| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Fair Tidings to All!! |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:37:25 -0800 |
|
Salve and welcome to Nova Roma, Arria Rutilia Emapanda!
Bene vale,
-Oppius Flaccus Severus, Sacerdos Neptunus
-----Original Message-----
From: atheleas@-------- [mailto:atheleas@--------]
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 11:32 AM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Fair Tidings to All!!
In a message dated 1/28/01 11:25:53 PM Central Standard Time,
ryetn66@-------- writes:
<< I have recently applied for citizenship and also have joined
this email group to meet other roman citizens!! I have a military
background ( former NCO in the Marines )and also am a former horseman.
I look forward to serving Rome if allowed... >>
I too am a new citizen and ex-Mil. However, it was 8 yrs of IL National
Guard as a Chem, Ops. Specialist.
Arria Rutilia Emapanda
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement |
| From: |
"Caius Flavius Diocletianus" <3s@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:59:45 +0100 |
|
Caius Flavius Diocletianus Quiritibus S.P.D.
This is my private opinion:
Sender of this document, whoever and whereever you are:
This is one of the worst, if not the worst document I ever seen here on this
mailing list. It´s not only tasteless and shameful, it certifies a poor mind
and a complete ignorance of Romanitas. You showed an ill mind and a bad
character. You insulted not only our Res Publica, but also the people of
Poland with your ugly words of mental decay. If you are really a citizen, I
personally think that you should leave our nation.
An this is my opinion as Praetor:
This, citizens, is not the way we should handle our political dealings. Of
course, the Lex Fabia is intended to deal with insults in private mails, not
in the mails here on the mainlist, which are under jurisdiction of the
Curator Sermonem. But, we should think about if we can subsume this case
under the Lex Fabia and start an investigation. I hereby invite the Curatrix
and my collega, and all other magistrates, to mail their opinions about
this. Not only one person is insulted, but a whole gens, and the Dignitas of
our Res Publica is heavily damaged.
Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Praetor, Senator
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Law Idea-My last comments |
| From: |
"Caius Flavius Diocletianus" <3s@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:06:56 +0100 |
|
Caius Flavius Diocletianus Quiritibus S.P.D.
I want to express my thanks to all citizens who posted their opinions about
Censor Sulla´s law idea.
Please, let me repeat: The question of admissible evidences is a question
which should not be regulated in an ad-hoc-law, but should be part of the
further discussions in the Law Committee. It´s indeed an important
suggestion, but the questions of evidences and their admission should be
indeed part of the prospected law system.
Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Praetor, Senator
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 3:54 AM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] Re: Law Idea-My last comments
> Salvete Senator Marce Marci et omnes,
>
> I would have replied sooner, but alas I was on
> holiday for a few days. In the course of the past
> few days, many eloquent statements have been made
> by others regarding this most unfortunate sequence
> of events.
>
> In catching up with my mail from the past
> few days, it has become apparent that the issues
> of note here have affected a great many people, caused some
> grievous misunderstandings and brought discord
> amongst others. Members of gens Cornelia and others
> have spoken most eloquently regarding the internal
> dynamics of their unfortunate intra-gens turmoil
> and I will formally excuse myself from any further
> discussion on that portion of the proposed IM Lex.
>
> I have made a few additional statements and comments
> below where I believe them to be appropriate. Some
> may choose not to agree with same; which is fine.
>
> Comments below...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc [mailto:RexMarcius@--------]
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 2:11 AM
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] Re: Law Idea
>
>
> Salve Oppi Flacce!
>
> You requested a few clarifications and I will gladly give them to you
> and all others who care to read this.
>
> <snip>
>
> Well, my dear Oppi, in the absence of publicly presented evidence or
> even statements of what happened I can only say that: If Sulla did a
> righteous and just thing with my new daughter his dignitas will
> certainly grow.
>
> OFS: Per my statements above, I decline further comment on this
> item.
>
> If what the contents of this "secret" AIM Conversation concerned
> plans by Sulla to bring Nova Roma to new heights, he will rightly be
> honoured for this.
>
> OFS: I appreciate the clarification here. We are back though
> to the issue of 'secret' AIM conversations and stepping away
> from the moderate text that was proposed. I maintain (and do
> not expect you to agree,) that had this potential Lex been
> proposed by anyone else, it would not have received the negative
> connotations that you have attached to it.
>
> If on the other hand, our esteemed Censor used his paterfamilias
> power in a way that could also be labelled abuse, he will also
> receive what he deserves, at least in the form of public criticism.
>
> OFS: So, he would be deserving of public criticism in this
> situation. As for any *perceived* 'abuse,' I will leave this
> to the internal mechanisms of the gens Cornelia. The internal
> issues here are not up to the *public* to decide.
>
> But as far as I can guess (here is talk about an investigation!!!!!),
> the content of the AIM conversation did NOT only concern the gens
> Cornelia....but Nova Roma in general. Therefore, not only the honor
> of my daughter who was expelled by Sulla (yet unexplained to the
> public) is a matter for dicussion but also the content of this
> conversation, that obviously needs to be hidden now!
>
> OFS: Whether or not said conversations contained information
> regarding NR or not, they were *internal* and perceived by at least
> one more parties as *private.* Period. Intra-gens issues put
> aside for legal discussion. One needs to determine *what*
> the cut-off is for when something becomes an official
> "Nova Roma" discussion. Is it the mere mention of the name?
> Since you have been so good as to clarify your positions
> elsewhere, I for one would like to receive your clarification
> on exactly *what* in your mind constitutes an 'official'
> discussion.
>
> <snip>
>
> Do you really think that in Roma antiqua actions of patres familiae
> were NEVER questioned or criticised?
>
> OFS: Absolutely not! Questioned? yes. Criticized? yes. In the
> end though, it really makes no difference. Paterfamilias is
> Paterfamilias. Since you are looking to make a purist reconstructionist
> reference (my interpretation,) then I simply make one as well.
>
> Do you believe that fathers that
> rape and hit their children should be spared in Nova Roma? (For the
> record: No, this is NOT what I want to infer Sulla did!)
>
> OFS: Hardly, Senator. Yes, I take the meaning correctly that
> you are only drawing an analogy here. However, as can
> often be the case when raw emotions are involved, your analogy
> is overtly extreme. Yes, I know that it is fashionable to the
> followers of 'Liberal Intellectualism' to draw direct parallels
> between the words someone uses and direct and severe actions
> such as rape, assault, murder, etc. Such dangerous parallels
> have been drawn by others in Nova Roma before and undoubtedly
> will be again.
>
> As to your usage of the term 'spared,' I an unclear as to the
> breadth of your use of the term here. In the interest of productive
> discussion, I will not attempt to interpret it here.
>
> The right to
> a family life is also a human right, but every right can be abused
> and, therefore, sometimes the public must not remain quiet. I demand
> an apology or at least an explanation for the shame that has been put
> on my daughter by her former paterfamilias.
>
>
> OFS: As to the perceived 'shaming' here, per my salutation
> I will not comment further. As to your assertions on human
> rights; no it has never been universal law, natural or otherwise
> that any entity belongs in a 'sanctioned' familial structure.
> Nice? yes. Desirable? yes. Natural 'human right'? No. I will
> agree with you though to the extent that it would certainly
> be *ideal* if all humans did in fact have this luxury. Millions
> around the world do not, and of those of us that do; familial
> life is not always 'naturally perfect' by any stretch of the
> imagination.
>
> <snip>
>
> You obviously misunderstood me, but I forgive you, it happens
> frequently here on the list.
>
> OFS: I absolutely agree; misunderstanding is a *rampant* beast
> on this list.
>
> I pledged to Senator and Censor Sulla
> that I would judge him by the actions he sets from the beginning of
> the year onwards and forget about the past.
>
> OFS: This is indeed very honorable and something we should
> all strive for. Indeed, I hope you do so.
>
> And I pledged to him that
> I would criticise him again, if I saw the need for it.
>
> OFS: In and of itself, this is agreed and expected. None of
> us seem to have a problem 'calling others to the mat' when
> we see the need for it.
>
> My adoption of
> Livia is a great honour for me and it was out of the blue only
> because she was expelled by Sulla. Many, many gentes I am sure would
> have (and indeed have) asked her to join them. That she became a
> Marcia only gives me more incentive to hold true to my pledge.
>
> OFS: Per my salutation, I refrain from comment here.
>
> <snip>
>
> FYI: It is illegal in Austria to tap a phone or a conversation
> without a judge's order, but, depending on the crime overheard, it is
> nonetheless admissible in a criminal court. FYI I taught criminal law
> at university and for training purposes also a short time as a public
> prosecutor in a county court. So I know a little bit about these
> things.
>
> OFS: Then I humbly defer to your knowledge of Austrian criminal law.
> If this progresses to formal discussions in the Senate (if it has
> not already done so,) then the phrase 'depending on the crime overheard'
> would be one of the key elements begging definition. Additionally,
> what if any hold such laws would hold for nationals of other countries.
>
> <snip>
>
> Now here is my point: Sulla wants a lex specifically covering his own
> tracks. Do not distract from this.
>
> OFS: But Senator, I *do* distract from this. Again, this is the crux of
> the issue if you will, seeking agreement on specifically *what* the
> issue is. You are equating motives with a proposed Lex, instead of
> discussing the Lex on its own merits. Referencing a previous point,
> this would be an entirely different (and subsequently more focused)
> discussion, if *anyone* other than Censor Sulla had proposed the Lex.
>
> I mentioned all the other modes of
> communication (and there are many ways) to show that all points to a
> situation where he wants to get rid of the "Investigation" by making
> something "inadmissible" which obviously conecerns him (and not only
> gens Cornelia internally). At least that is the image that I got.
>
> OFS: And others have received this image as well, still others
> have received a much different image.
>
> If only someone else had proposed this, e.g. my daughter, everything
> would be different.
>
> OFS: Thank you for this! Exactly my point. If anyone 'else' had
> proposed this....
>
> <snip>
>
> The main question for me is not, whether it should be legal or
> illegal, but whether it should be admissible.
>
> OFS: Yes, and I will agree with you that there is a particular
> issue of focus and discussion here: what *should* be admissible
> evidence and what *should not.*
>
> Suppose (for the
> record: not what I believe) the converstaion was about the stealing
> of the Nova Roma trade mark, or the murder of Consul Germanicus. THIS
> concerns us all. And just because it was an AIM chat, it should not
> be admissible in court or even lead to an "investigation"?
>
> OFS: Yes, a serious threat to the Respublica; under any guise
> *could* be perceived as concerning us all. Again, a matter
> of *perception,* which perhaps begs definition. One could equally
> really trivialize this and apply something as innocuous as stating
> something like "Gee, I really dislike the Consuls and their policies.
> They're bad for NR...I wish they would go away." Discussion or
> ruthless anti-Respublican plot? (My own analogy and no-I do NOT think
> this.)
>
> Back to specifics. AIM is but *one* mode of private or public
> communication, depending on definition and context. Another
> issue this raises is *what* constitutes an official 'investigation?'
> We do not as of yet have a rigid magisterial structure. This
> begs definition as well.
>
>
> > Therefore, I fear that the timing and way you put this "idea"
> > forward smacks a little bit of a Nixonian effort to conceal
> something
> > by introducing a lex that makes it impossible to use something which
> > obviously concerns YOU.
> >
> > OFS: NIXONIAN? Mixing macronational metaphors of which you are
> > not even a part of sir? Oh, let us not even get *started*
> > down that road. I submit that as you are in no
> > way capable of unbiased analysis in regards to the proposed idea
> > for a Lex, that perhaps you might be so good as to table
> > yourself from the discussion?
> >
>
> Well Sir, I shall not do so, if you forgive me.
>
> OFS: It is not up to me to forgive, Senator. You have your opinions,
> I have mine and others have theirs. My request stands, you choose
> to continue in your current vein; stalemate on that point and enough said.
>
> <snip>
>
> Well I hope you are not biased against me now ;-)
>
> OFS: Not at all Senator. Disagree with you? Yes. Wish that
> you were less emotionally involved with a public legal discussion? Yes.
> Biased? No. Though we may disagree, you still have my
> full respect as a noble Senator of Nova Roma.
>
> <snip>
>
> Well, then let the magistrates responsible for the "investigation"
> make a public statement. Then we can talk further about timetables.
>
> OFS: Agreed, thank you for this.
>
> An please do not wonder about me, you can have all the information
> you want, by simply asking.:-)
>
> OFS: Thank you. I would also request the same of you in 'wondering'
> about the motives and opinions of others as well.
>
> Bene valete,
> -Oppius Flaccus Severus
>
> <snip>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Congrats |
| From: |
"Caius Flavius Diocletianus" <3s@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:08:26 +0100 |
|
Salvete,
my congratulations for all newly appointed priests and religious officers.
I´m sure that you all will serve our Res Publica well.
Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Praetor, Senator
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement |
| From: |
RexMarcius@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 03:40:46 EST |
|
Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:
"Ave,
Let me also add my voice to the list of citizens who have spoken against
this post. I think this post was in very poor taste. It detracts from the
dignitas of Nova Roma, IMHO."
Salvete omnes!
I believe I should join here with our Censor in declaring that this post is deserving of our ignorance. Whoever you are, you have made your point: You have publically shown us your taste in humour and the manner in which you want to have our disagreements worked out. You have not persuaded me nor made me laugh.
But on the other hand, if you really are a citizen of Nova Roma, you have exercised your right of free speech and according to our constitution, only the curatrix sermonum may intervene here. I see no place whatsoever for the Lex Fabia applied here, as our praetor suggested earlier.
If we start doing that here, this anonymous author may have reached a goal that might be invisible to most. Namely, to restrict OUR freedom of speech. I say this post was clear off the mark, but I do not want to have each and every critical mail I send on the main list checked by the praetors first for legitimacy under the Lex Fabia (that as a lawyer would be my future course of action, if this were ever to be introduced!).
Ave et Vale
Marcus Marcius Rex
Senator
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement |
| From: |
"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:09:47 +0100 |
|
Salvete Quirites!
As one of the subjects in this slander, I must say I'm not really taking
this all too seriously. The author of this posting may feel some form of
resentment against the gens Apollonia, but so what? Everyone knows what's in
it is so hyperbolic that it can't be true. As we will probably never know
the real name of the author, it'd also be futile to demand an apology. I'm
afraid that if this person tried to insult me, it did not work. If I were to
write a satire on the AD I would have done it much better! ;-)
Valete!
Sextus Apollonius Draco, civis Novae Romae
Legatus Galliae Borealis,
Procurator Galliae,
Scriba Aedilis Plebis,
Coryphaeus Sodalitatis Musarum,
Musaeus Collegii Eratus,
Musaeus Collegii Uraniae
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Challenger |
| From: |
"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:29:05 +0100 |
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Salvete omnes,
Just adding my two cents: don't shoot down space exploration too soon! My
entire story is based on Nova Roman space exploration, hehe. New chapters
will be coming soon, by the way.
Valete,
Draco
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Gratias |
| From: |
"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:33:34 +0100 |
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Salvete Quirites,
I wish to thank the Collegium Pontificium here publically for approving of my application of Lupercus Fabianus, and also to congratulate Marcus Arcadius Pius and Oppius Flaccus Severus. Religio Romana crescat!
Valete bene,
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Procurator Galliae,
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] ADMIN NOTE |
| From: |
justicecmo@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:57:48 -0000 |
|
**This message was sent last night at 10 pm, and again at 6:20 am
today, neither of which appeared on the list. Obviously, I will be
investigating the mail problem, but in the meantime PLEASE read and
heed the following**
Salve,
Needless to say, the rude and immature posting made earlier had no
place on this list. The individual has been removed and banned from
the list, so no further postings under *that* name will be seen
here.
This person subscribed roughly half an hour before the post was made,
so this was no stranger to Nova Roma and no accident. This was one
of our own acting in classic *troll* fashion. Shame on the one who
did it, and further shame on those who know who it is and stay silent.
As with all trolls (and, incidentally any other objectionable posts),
please do NOT reply to the list! That is exactly the kind of uproar
and distraction individuals such as this seek to create. The best
way to get rid of threads such as this are to ignore them
completely.
I cannot be online at every moment, true (childbirth class took
precedence for three hours this evening for example), but please rest
assured that I am available in a *very* timely manner to handle
issues just such as this. Please do not make public replies to such
threads going forward, and THIS thread is officially closed as of now.
As always, questions, concerns, comments and quibbles can be taken up
with me directly at justicecmo@-------- Please do NOT make
any public replies to this thread on the list.
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
Curatrix Sermonem
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Congratulations New Priests |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:49:19 -0500 |
|
Salvete;
My hearty congratulations to our three new members of the Priesthood; Sextus
Apollonius Draco, Marcus Arcadius Pius, and Oppius Flaccus Severus. It is so
good to see a solid foundation for the Religio being laid. I am sure all
three of these gentlemen will do a terrific job in the roles to which they
have been called.
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
"For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
bad one." (Crassus in the film "Spartacus")
email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement |
| From: |
qimaster@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:47:09 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, deformosanus@-------- wrote:
> Salubritas---'wholesomeness' Health and Cleanliness
>
> Salvete,
>
> As the leaders of the revolutionary AMICI SALUBRITAS movement,
I,
> Appleofius Deformosanus, and my son, Sexless Appleofius Wacko,
> herewith issue this brief statement of our demands.
>
> 1. We desire all Nova Romani to take a bath.
>
> 2. We demand that all Nova Romani flush the toilet when they
are
> finished, {especially in public bathrooms, PLEASE people???}
>
> 3. Due to an increasing number of lard butts in out Res Publica,
we
> call for all Nova Romani to get off their duffs and get some
exercise.
>
> Signed on this day in Fatkow, Poland,
>
> Appleofius Deformosanus
> Sexless Appleofius Wacko.
quod sicca redolet palus lacuna, piscinae vetus aura quod marinae,
quod pressa piger hircus in capella, mallem quam quod oles olere,
appleofius!
Theodorus Tiberius Germanicus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Congratulations |
| From: |
"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:10:04 -0000 |
|
Salvete Omnes:
My congratulations to Marcus Arcadius Pius, Sextus Apollonius Draco and
Oppius Flaccus Severus on their respective appointments to the Collegium
Pontificium.
I have had the pleasure of association with all three of these fine citizens
in various sodalitates of Nova Roma.
I have no doubt they will fulfill these offices well, and the Collegium will
be all the richer with their involvement.
Bene valete,
Pompeia Cornelia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] ADMINISTRATIVE NOTICE (was Re: The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement) |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:17:52 -0500 |
|
Salvete;
As our Curatrix Sermonem is currently having trouble with her email, I would
like to remind everyone that ANY reply to this thread has been declared
off-topic. Any further continuation of this thread will result in moderated
status for the poster.
Similarly, posts in foreign languages without accompanying English
translation have also been declared unwelcome.
Kindly STOP any and all replies to this thread NOW, and kindly do NOT reply
to this email on the main list.
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
> quod sicca redolet palus lacuna, piscinae vetus aura quod marinae,
> quod pressa piger hircus in capella, mallem quam quod oles olere,
> appleofius!
>
> Theodorus Tiberius Germanicus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Inappropriate Message |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:25:27 -0500 (EST) |
|
Salvete, Citizens and Magistrates;
In regard to the disgusting message of the other day, it is my feeling
that the person responsible, if at all possible, should be identified
and relieved of his citizenship, if applicable. The message indicates
an internal hatred, coupled with an unstable and immature mind. This
combination in my view is a dangerous one to "leave lying about" and in
my estimation success in "getting away" with this stunt will only
encourage the perpetrator, and may well result in similar or worse
activities down the line.
I am well aware that our "open door" policy puts Nova Roma at risk for
these kinds of things, but I echo Severus, in that I see no need to
repeat the offensive items in follow-up messages, and I do see a need to
develop an defence against this kind of disruption, if such is possible.
Valete, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Inappropriate Message |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:46:22 -0600 (CST) |
|
Salve Marce Minuci,
> In regard to the disgusting message of the other day, it is my feeling
> that the person responsible, if at all possible, should be identified
> and relieved of his citizenship, if applicable.
I disagree. This is an extreme punishment for what was merely an
annoying graffito. It's rude and immature, yes, but not hateful
or indicative of an unstable mind.
Let us not cast aside our valued traditions of free speech for such
a trivial incident.
As for identification... the perpetrator was using an AOL dialup,
according to the headers of the original message. No further information
is likely to become available; there are literally millions of suspects.
> I am well aware that our "open door" policy puts Nova Roma at risk for
> these kinds of things, but I echo Severus, in that I see no need to
> repeat the offensive items in follow-up messages, and I do see a need to
> develop an defence against this kind of disruption, if such is possible.
The scorn and contempt heaped upon the perpretrator by the rest of
the citizens is defence enough.
Vale, Octavius.
--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneum et Senator
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] "Help wanted" |
| From: |
justicecmo@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:42:53 -0000 |
|
Salve cives,
Well, as the light-hearted subject line implies, I come before you
seeking assistance. :) Specifically, I am seeking two responsible
citizens with a good working knowledge of e-mail and diplomacy to
function as assistant list moderators.
It is within my purview as Curatrix Sermonem to appoint scribes and I
truly believe that my doing so will facilitate the smooth functioning
of this list in the long run. In the *short run*, for those who may
be unaware, I am seven months pregnant, and as the weeks count down
to delivery the reality surfaces that I will, of course, need help
keeping an eye on the list as our newest little citizen gets
acclimated to our home.
Any interested citizens should contact me *privately* at
justicecmo@-------- I would prefer to select from among
interested parties, as opposed to approaching citizens privately, so
don't be shy! This is a terrific opportunity to get involved and help
out Nova Roma. All inquiries will be fairly and equally considered,
so step on up if you'd like to help! :)
Thank you in advance!
Priscilla Vedia Serena
Curatrix Sermonem
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Inappropriate Message |
| From: |
"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:58:08 -0500 |
|
Salve,
>> I am well aware that our "open door" policy puts Nova Roma at risk for
these kinds of things,>>
Actually, even with our open door policy, there *is* a defense against
such actions. It is a simple matter for me to require that all new members
be moderated for a period of time. I would suggest that, if we wish to
avoid repeat performances, a policy be implemented whereby all new
subscribers are moderated for, say, their first three postings. This
assumes we can trust the behavior of those already subscribed and would have
prevented the possibility of this individual getting their post to the list.
It would have been deleted before ever seeing daylight.
Of course, as with all policy, there are many sides to it. I can see
where some would see automatic moderation as a negative. So, I ask you
cives, for input. As Curatrix Sermonem it falls to me to run the list and I
prefer to do so with your needs and wishes in mind. What say you on the
concept of new members being automatically moderated for a set period of
time before being given freedom to post at will?
I look forward to input on this issue.
Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
Curatrix Sermonem
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| Subject: |
ADMIN NOTE (was RE: [novaroma] The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement) |
| From: |
"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:28:53 -0500 |
|
Salve,
Needless to say, the rude and immature posting made earlier had no place on
this list. The individual has been removed and banned from the list, so no
further postings under *that* name will be seen here.
This person subscribed roughly half an hour before the post was made, so
this was no stranger to Nova Roma and no accident. This was one of our own
acting in classic *troll* fashion. Shame on the one who did it, and further
shame on those who know who it is and stay silent.
As with all trolls (and, incidentally any other objectionable posts), please
do NOT reply to the list! That is exactly the kind of uproar and distraction
individuals such as this seek to create. The best way to get rid of threads
such as this are to ignore them completely.
I cannot be online at every moment, true (childbirth class took precedence
for three hours this evening for example), but please rest assured that I am
available in a *very* timely manner to handle issues just such as this.
Please do not make public replies to such threads going forward, and THIS
thread is officially closed as of now.
As always, questions, concerns, comments and quibbles can be taken up with
me directly at justicecmo@-------- Please do NOT make any public
replies to this thread on the list.
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
Curatrix Sermonem
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Inappropriate Message |
| From: |
gmvick32@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:51:51 -0700 |
|
While I dislike posts of the sort that prompted this, I
think moderating new members, even for a few posts, would be
excessive. I discourage against this.
Livia Marcia Aurelia
JusticeCMO wrote:
> Salve,
> >> I am well aware that our "open door" policy puts Nova
> Roma at risk for
> these kinds of things,>>
>
> Actually, even with our open door policy, there *is* a
> defense against
> such actions. It is a simple matter for me to require
> that all new members
> be moderated for a period of time. I would suggest that,
> if we wish to
> avoid repeat performances, a policy be implemented whereby
> all new
> subscribers are moderated for, say, their first three
> postings. This
> assumes we can trust the behavior of those already
> subscribed and would have
> prevented the possibility of this individual getting their
> post to the list.
> It would have been deleted before ever seeing daylight.
>
> Of course, as with all policy, there are many sides to
> it. I can see
> where some would see automatic moderation as a negative.
> So, I ask you
> cives, for input. As Curatrix Sermonem it falls to me to
> run the list and I
> prefer to do so with your needs and wishes in mind. What
> say you on the
> concept of new members being automatically moderated for a
> set period of
> time before being given freedom to post at will?
>
> I look forward to input on this issue.
>
> Vale,
> Priscilla Vedia Serena
> Curatrix Sermonem
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] ADMINISTRATIVE NOTICE (was Re: The AMICI SALUBRITAS Statement) |
| From: |
BICURRATUS@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:56:09 EST |
|
EX DOMO PUBLII CLAUDII LUCENTII SEVERI BICURRATI
> Similarly, posts in foreign languages without accompanying English
> translation have also been declared unwelcome.
>
That sends out a great message. You can become a citizen providing you speak
English! So much for cultural tolerance.
Bicurratus
EX DOMO PROCURATORIS BRITANNIAE
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Inappropriate Message |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:16:23 -0500 |
|
Salvete;
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmvick32@-------- [mailto:gmvick32@--------]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:52
>
> While I dislike posts of the sort that prompted this, I
> think moderating new members, even for a few posts, would be
> excessive. I discourage against this.
I disagree.
I don't think that putting new subscribers on moderated status for a day or
so, while they learn the lay of the land, is "excessive". This is standard
practice on many email lists (if for no other reason than to let them get a
feel for the list before posting), and remember that at most it would entail
a couple of hours delay in our seeing their "Hi, I'm new!" posts. Nothing
withheld; just slightly delayed. Once a few posts had gone through and the
moderators were reasonably sure the person was "real", they'd go on normal
status.
Especially with three moderators (assuming two cives step forward as scribae
for the curatrix sermonem) checking things to minimize delays, this sounds
like an eminently sensible response to the problem.
Not that anyone suggested it, but an "excessive" response would be putting
the whole list on moderated status. This suggestion is a reasonable one, and
I think we should adopt it.
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
"For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
bad one." (Crassus in the film "Spartacus")
email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Language restrictions? |
| From: |
"Colin Brodd" <colinbrodd@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:16:50 -0500 |
|
> > Similarly, posts in foreign languages without accompanying English
> > translation have also been declared unwelcome.
>
>That sends out a great message. You can become a citizen providing you
>speak English! So much for cultural tolerance.
Yeah . . . it should at least be Latin as the allowed language! (with
maybe English as a "tolerated" second . . .)
- C. Valerianus Germanicus
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Language restrictions? |
| From: |
"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:02:49 -0500 |
|
Salve,
> > Similarly, posts in foreign languages without accompanying English
> > translation have also been declared unwelcome.
>
>That sends out a great message. You can become a citizen providing you
>speak English! So much for cultural tolerance.
Yeah . . . it should at least be Latin as the allowed language! (with
maybe English as a "tolerated" second . .
I am afraid I have to correct a very basic misconception put forth here.
Citizenship and list postings have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
In point of fact, this list is open to both citizens and non-citizens alike.
I would also point out that when psts appear here from non-English speakers
I make every effort to partner the poster with a translator.
Hardly a case of "No English=No welcome" as Biccuratus would appear to
wish you to think.
Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
Curatrix Sermonem
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Language restrictions? |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:28:54 -0200 |
|
JusticeCMO wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> > > Similarly, posts in foreign languages without accompanying English
> > > translation have also been declared unwelcome.
> >
> >That sends out a great message. You can become a citizen providing you
> >speak English! So much for cultural tolerance.
>
> Yeah . . . it should at least be Latin as the allowed language! (with
> maybe English as a "tolerated" second . .
>
> I am afraid I have to correct a very basic misconception put forth here.
> Citizenship and list postings have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
> In point of fact, this list is open to both citizens and non-citizens alike.
> I would also point out that when psts appear here from non-English speakers
> I make every effort to partner the poster with a translator.
>
> Hardly a case of "No English=No welcome" as Biccuratus would appear to
> wish you to think.
It is still very near to that, sort of citizens without right to speak.
It would be much better to try to appoint scribes with a large spectrum
of languages in order to get a chance to understand what there are
saying.
Manius Villius Limitanus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Inappropriate Message |
| From: |
"C. Citius Cattus" <kitpar@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:21:55 -0600 |
|
On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:46:22 -0600 (CST), Marcus Octavius Germanicus
wrote:
>Salve Marce Minuci,
>
>> In regard to the disgusting message of the other day, it is my
>>feeling
>> that the person responsible, if at all possible, should be
>>identified
>> and relieved of his citizenship, if applicable.
>
>I disagree. This is an extreme punishment for what was merely an
>annoying graffito. It's rude and immature, yes, but not hateful
>or indicative of an unstable mind.
>
>Let us not cast aside our valued traditions of free speech for such
>a trivial incident.
<snip>
>
>Vale, Octavius.
>
>
>--
>M. Octavius Germanicus
>Propraetor, Lacus Magni
>Curator Araneum et Senator
>
I agree with Senator Octavius. We must not allow ourselves to rule
using our emotions. The constitution uses logic, and it must be used
in all circumstances.
On another note, I do not believe in the policy of 'posts in foreign
languages without accompanying English translation have also been
declared unwelcome.'
Although Latin-only posts will be hard for us that are not educated
in the language, I believe this restricts the very essence of
restoring Roman traditions. English is a Germanic language. Latin
would be in use to-day if it was not for the fall of the Empire and
the spread of Germanic traditions. Besides, those on the list trying
to learn Latin may like to see Latin in translate it. I only speak
for myself on that part since I do not know if that is anyone else's
case. Perhaps our list should be made bilingual, English AND Latin?
--
Kit
Roman Name: C. Citius Cattus
Webmaster, MoparAuction.com
http://www.moparauction.com
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Magistrates site moved. |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:16:47 -0200 |
|
Salvete,
The site has moved to:
http://200.183.94.8:8080/magistrates2.php
It includes now all magistrates of the first 2 centuries of the republic
(non-US sense)
That is:
493 individuals,
117 gentes (48 Patrician, 82 Plebeians) yes there are some which are
both.
Largest gens : Cornelia 31 individuals.
Any ideas on other queries are welcome.
Manius Villius Limitanus
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