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Subject:	[novaroma] Opportunity for Latin Summer Studies
From:	LucillaCornelia@--------
Date:	Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:17:53 -0500

Ave Omnes:

For those who plan on being in the greater New York Metropolitan area over the summer months, and who have a passion for Latin (or Greek), please make note of the outstanding opportunities offered at The Latin/Greek Institute at Hunter College, a senior college of CUNY, located on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan.

The Institute offers intensive, total-immersion programs in ancient languages during the summer that enable serious, highly-motivated high school, undergraduate and graduate students to cover the material normally included in several semesters of conventional coursework over a single summer. All programs are team-taught by experienced instructors. In addition to being intensive, the programs are unique in that they provide 24-hour availability of faculty to assist students by phone in the preparation of assignments, hourly rotation of staff to provide exposure to a variety of approaches, and a low student:faculty ratio.

Interested? Visit the Latin/Greek Institute website at:

web.gc.cuny.edu/Classics/lgi.htm

-OR- contact them by phone: (212) 817-2081

Tell 'em Lucilla sent ya'! :) Hope to see some fellow NR Cives on campus!!!

Bene vale,

Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata

--
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Goings-on in New Jersey
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:07:45 -0500

Salvete;

Just a quick correction. The organizational meeting for the Civium
Boreocaesarium has been moved from Saturday February 17th to Sunday the
18th, due to a scheduling conflict. Hope to see all our NJ area cives there!

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

"For Graccus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
bad one." (Crassus, in the film "Spartacus")

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Subject:	[novaroma] Barrington Atlas of the Greek and Roman World
From:	"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@-------->
Date:	Thu, 01 Feb 2001 03:02:37 -0000

Salvete Nova Romani!

I have recently been seriously considering purchasing the Barrington
Atlas of the Greek and Roman World, and given the serious nature of
the investment involved, was wondering any citizens who might have a
copy could tell me if they think it's worth the Denarii. For any
citizens unfamilair with this work, you can check it's webpage at:

http://www.unc.edu/depts/cl_atlas/

It seems fairly like a remarkable book, and very tempting dispite
it's staggering cost.

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus

"HONOR EST PRAEMIUM VIRTUTIS"


Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN: Results of Voting in Comitia Plebis Tributa
From:	Fortunatus <labienus@-------->
Date:	Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:10:57 -0600

Tribuni Plebis T Labienus et Cn Moravius Quiritibus SPD

The rogatores have finished tabulating the results of the special
election for aedilis plebis.

Six tribes (1, 5, 22, 23, 24, and 27) failed to cast a valid vote, five
tribes (2, 7, 9, 11, and 19) tied, and one tribe (35) specifically
abstained. Marcus Apollonius Formosanus carried twelve tribes (6, 12,
13, 14, 16, 18, 21, 25, 29, 31, 33, and 34). Lucius Aetius Dalmaticus
carried eleven tribes (3, 4, 8, 10, 15, 17, 20, 26, 28, 30 and 32).

Marcus Apollonius Formosanus is therefore duly elected.

The tribuni wish to extend their congratulations to M Apollonius, and
their thanks to L Aetius for offering himself as a candidate. May you
both do well during the coming year.

Valete


Subject:	[novaroma] Yippie-icus I am officially a Nova Roman!!!!
From:	qimaster@--------
Date:	Thu, 01 Feb 2001 03:40:47 -0000

Just got the email, and now I am an official Nova Roman!

Salve et tibi Gratulari!

This is to let you know that your application for Citizenship has been
received and approved! Congratulations, you are now a new Citizen of
the New Rome.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix et Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
Censores

I am so happy, I just wanna go out and get into a punic war or
something:)

sincerely;

Theodorus Tiberius Germanicus


Subject:	[novaroma] Good Site
From:	"Robert W" <robert@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:20:43 -0500

Ave Omnes: Perhaps some of you are already aware of this site, but if not, there may be a great deal of material here that would be of great interest to many citizens. I just came across this tonight. http://www.fidnet.com/~weid/RomanII.htm
Vale, ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Subject:	[novaroma] SODALITAS MILITARIVM NEWSLETTER
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Thu, 01 Feb 2001 06:13:13 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

Don't forget to have a look at the premiere edition of the Sodalitas
Militarium Newsletter.

Simply go to the Militarium Website www.diocletian.de/sodmil/

...click on the Sodalitas Militarium standard, then select Newsletter.

To call the newsletter archive out of the frame structure use the URL
www.diocletian.de/sodmil/news

My compliments to Editors et Retariae Livia Marcia Aurelia and Caius Flavius
Diocletianus for their excellent work in producing the website and in their
publishing of the newsletter.

Happy reading!

Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Legata Navalis et Scriptrix
Sodalitas Militarium
Nova Roma

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Yippie-icus I am officially a Nova Roman!!!!
From:	Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@-------->
Date:	Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:56:00 -0800 (PST)

Welcome!

L Aetius Dalmaticus

--- qimaster@-------- wrote:
> Just got the email, and now I am an official Nova
> Roman!
>
> Salve et tibi Gratulari!
>
> This is to let you know that your application for
> Citizenship has been
> received and approved! Congratulations, you are now
> a new Citizen of
> the New Rome.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix et Lucius Equitius
> Cincinnatus
> Censores
>
>
> I am so happy, I just wanna go out and get into a
> punic war or
> something:)
>
> sincerely;
>
> Theodorus Tiberius Germanicus
>
>
>

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Yippie-icus I am officially a Nova Roman!!!!
From:	"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:51:27 -0800

Salve Theodore Tiberi Germanice!

Welcome to Nova Roma! We are glad and honored to have you with us.

Bona Fortuna.

Bene vale,
Oppius Flaccus Severus
Sacerdos Neptunus
-----Original Message-----
From: qimaster@-------- [mailto:qimaster@--------]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 7:41 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Yippie-icus I am officially a Nova Roman!!!!

Just got the email, and now I am an official Nova Roman!

Salve et tibi Gratulari!

This is to let you know that your application for Citizenship has been
received and approved! Congratulations, you are now a new Citizen of
the New Rome.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix et Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
Censores

I am so happy, I just wanna go out and get into a punic war or
something:)

sincerely;

Theodorus Tiberius Germanicus


Subject:	[novaroma] New file uploaded to novaroma
From:	<novaroma@-------->
Date:	1 Feb 2001 07:40:29 -0000

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the novaroma
group.

File : /Oral Latin Poetry Readings/Catul3.mp3
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Subject:	[novaroma] New file uploaded to novaroma
From:	<novaroma@-------->
Date:	1 Feb 2001 07:43:59 -0000

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the novaroma
group.

File : /Oral Latin Poetry Readings/VergA4-9.mp3
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] ATTN: Results of Voting in Comitia Plebis Tributa
From:	Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:17:00 -0800 (PST)

Ave Marcus Apollonius Formosanus !

Congratulations on your victory in the special
election to be Aedile Plebis. I wish you all the best
in your office.

L Aetius Dalmaticus

--- Fortunatus <labienus@--------> wrote:
> Tribuni Plebis T Labienus et Cn Moravius Quiritibus
> SPD
>
> The rogatores have finished tabulating the results
> of the special
> election for aedilis plebis.
>
> Six tribes (1, 5, 22, 23, 24, and 27) failed to cast
> a valid vote, five
> tribes (2, 7, 9, 11, and 19) tied, and one tribe
> (35) specifically
> abstained. Marcus Apollonius Formosanus carried
> twelve tribes (6, 12,
> 13, 14, 16, 18, 21, 25, 29, 31, 33, and 34). Lucius
> Aetius Dalmaticus
> carried eleven tribes (3, 4, 8, 10, 15, 17, 20, 26,
> 28, 30 and 32).
>
> Marcus Apollonius Formosanus is therefore duly
> elected.
>
> The tribuni wish to extend their congratulations to
> M Apollonius, and
> their thanks to L Aetius for offering himself as a
> candidate. May you
> both do well during the coming year.
>
> Valete
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] SODALITAS MILITARIVM NEWSLETTER
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Claudius=20Nigellus?= <app_cl_lucentius_nigellus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:47:14 +0000 (GMT)

Salvete

May I be the first non-member of the Sodalitas
Militarium to offer a hearty "Well done!" to all those
involved with this excellent effort. From the
interesting and informative articles, to the slick,
well-designed website, the amount of effort that has
been put in clearly shows.

Despite the fact that anything other than
political/legal discussions gets little airing on this
list these days, this is a useful reminder of the
depth of interest and committment to a whole range of
Roman topics that the Sodalitates offer. For those
cives who are either new or have yet to explore what
NR has to offer beyond the MainList, I recommend the
sod mil site as an excellent place to start.

Valete

Nigellus

--- Pompeia Cornelia <scriba_forum@--------> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes:
>
> Don't forget to have a look at the premiere edition
> of the Sodalitas
> Militarium Newsletter.
>
> Simply go to the Militarium Website
> www.diocletian.de/sodmil/
>
> ...click on the Sodalitas Militarium standard, then
> select Newsletter.
>
> To call the newsletter archive out of the frame
> structure use the URL
> www.diocletian.de/sodmil/news
>
> My compliments to Editors et Retariae Livia Marcia
> Aurelia and Caius Flavius
> Diocletianus for their excellent work in producing
> the website and in their
> publishing of the newsletter.
>
> Happy reading!
>
> Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
> Legata Navalis et Scriptrix
> Sodalitas Militarium
> Nova Roma
>
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] New Aedilis Plebis
From:	"Marcos Boehme" <m_arminius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 01 Feb 2001 09:42:34 -0300

Salvete Quirites

I want to congratulate both candidates to Aedilis Plebis, L Aetius Dalmaticus and M Apollonius Formosanus.

And specially to Formosanus, my new colleague.
Congratulations, friend!

Marcus Arminius Maior
no more Aedilis Plebis sine collega

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: ATTN: Results of Voting in Comitia Plebis Tributa
From:	JSmithCSA@--------
Date:	Thu, 01 Feb 2001 14:12:51 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, Fortunatus <labienus@t...> wrote:
> Tribuni Plebis T Labienus et Cn Moravius Quiritibus SPD
>
> The rogatores have finished tabulating the results of the special
> election for aedilis plebis.
>
> Six tribes (1, 5, 22, 23, 24, and 27) failed to cast a valid vote,
five
> tribes (2, 7, 9, 11, and 19) tied, and one tribe (35) specifically
> abstained. Marcus Apollonius Formosanus carried twelve tribes (6,
12,
> 13, 14, 16, 18, 21, 25, 29, 31, 33, and 34). Lucius Aetius
Dalmaticus
> carried eleven tribes (3, 4, 8, 10, 15, 17, 20, 26, 28, 30 and 32).
>
> Marcus Apollonius Formosanus is therefore duly elected.

Salvete!

Although I wrote earlier to congratulate Formosanus on his new
office, I was remiss in that I failed to thank the Rogatores for
their hard work (I've been there and know it's not easy) and,
especially, to those who voted for me.

L Aetius Dalmaticus


Subject:	[novaroma] Place names
From:	Craig Stevenson <dougies@-------->
Date:	Fri, 02 Feb 2001 01:00:00 +1030

Ave all,

I am doing some research, and I was wondering if you could help me with
this. I'm looking for current forms of the names of old cities, and was
wondering if anyone could tell me the names of:

* Beneventum
* Capua
* Actium
* Pharsalus
* Thermopylae

Also, can anyone tell me where Hadrian's tomb, which was converted into a
fortress is located?

Do any of the ruins of Corinth or Sparta still exist?

Valete bene


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Place names
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:18:54 -0600 (CST)

On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Craig Stevenson wrote:

> Also, can anyone tell me where Hadrian's tomb, which was converted into a
> fortress is located?

The Mausoleum of Hadrian became the foundation for a building now known
as the Castel St. Angelo. It is currently part of the Vatican complex,
connected by a collonade to St. Peter's Basilica... the Vatican's art
collection is housed there.

When Nova Roma becomes rich enough to begin buying back our temples and
historic sites from the Italian government, the Mausoleum of Hadrian
will likely be one of the most difficult to obtain!

Vale, Octavius.

--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneum et Senator


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Place names
From:	Domitius Constantinus Fuscus <flyke@-------->
Date:	Thu, 01 Feb 2001 16:15:15 +0100

Ave

>* Beneventum

Benevento

>* Capua

Capua (well, Roma is still Roma.. we like to stick to old names in Italy)

>* Actium

Not sure.. the gulf I think it's called now Gulf of Arta

>* Pharsalus

I think the current name is Farsala

>* Thermopylae

This I really don't know, but places highly symbolic for a nation tend to
keep their name so i wouldn't be suprised if the name stayed as that (but
with a greek spelling, of course)

>Also, can anyone tell me where Hadrian's tomb, which was converted into a
>fortress is located?

Rome, along the Tiber, near the Vatican (to which is actually linked by a
walled passage called the "passetto" used by the Popes to reach the
fortress in times of danger) and is called Saint Angel's Castle (Castel
Sant'Angelo) now... walked in front of it just yesterday ;)

>Do any of the ruins of Corinth or Sparta still exist?

I think both.. didn't Schliemann (or however is the spelling) excavated
them both before going to search for the ruins of Troy? I think so.

Vale

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Place names
From:	Domitius Constantinus Fuscus <flyke@-------->
Date:	Thu, 01 Feb 2001 16:31:15 +0100

Ave

>The Mausoleum of Hadrian became the foundation for a building now known
>as the Castel St. Angelo. It is currently part of the Vatican complex,
>connected by a collonade to St. Peter's Basilica... the Vatican's art
>collection is housed there.

not exactly... it's not a colonnade but actually a portion of real
fortified wall, 6 or 7 meters tall and is not a part of the Vatican
complex, otherwise wouldn't be property of Italy (that turned it into a
museum) but of the State of the Vatican.
The Vatican's art collection is instead housed in the Vatican museums that
are inside the Vatican City, right on the back of the basilica of Saint
Peter and connected to all the Vatican buildings (and in fact, from the
Vatican museums you can actually get to the Private Chapel of Sistus V,
decorated by the famous a fresco paintings by Michelangelo showing the
judgment day)

Ciao

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus


Subject:	[novaroma] Digest No 1211 Barrington Atlas
From:	"Lucius Equitius" <vze23hw7@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:09:39 -0500

Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Omnibus SPD

My newest Gens member, Aulus Equitius Graccus, received a copy from his
daughter for Christmas! He brought it to our last meeting for show and tell.
Aulus told us that it came with a CD but that he had yet to try it. It is a
beautiful work! Yes, it is very nice, but true enough it is expensive. If
you can afford this reference work, then you are blessed so enjoy.

________________________________________________________________________

Message: 15
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 03:02:37 -0000
From: "Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@-------->
Subject: Barrington Atlas of the Greek and Roman World

Salvete Nova Romani!

I have recently been seriously considering purchasing the Barrington
Atlas of the Greek and Roman World, and given the serious nature of
the investment involved, was wondering any citizens who might have a
copy could tell me if they think it's worth the Denarii. For any
citizens unfamilair with this work, you can check it's webpage at:

http://www.unc.edu/depts/cl_atlas/

It seems fairly like a remarkable book, and very tempting dispite
it's staggering cost.

Valete,
C. Minucius Hadrianus

"HONOR EST PRAEMIUM VIRTUTIS"


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Yippie-icus I am officially a Nova Roman!!!!
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Thu, 01 Feb 2001 16:09:59 -0000

Salvete Omnes!

Nice to see that its "official" Tiberius! Welcome to Nova Roma!

Bene valete,
Pompeia Cornelia

>From: qimaster@--------
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Yippie-icus I am officially a Nova Roman!!!!
>Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 03:40:47 -0000
>
>Just got the email, and now I am an official Nova Roman!
>
>Salve et tibi Gratulari!
>
>This is to let you know that your application for Citizenship has been
>received and approved! Congratulations, you are now a new Citizen of
>the New Rome.
>
>Vale,
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix et Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
>Censores
>
>
>I am so happy, I just wanna go out and get into a punic war or
>something:)
>
>sincerely;
>
>Theodorus Tiberius Germanicus
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Yippie-icus I am officially a Nova Roman!!!!
From:	gmvick32@--------
Date:	Thu, 01 Feb 2001 09:47:09 -0700

Whoohoo!!!! and Yee-Haw!!!!

Let me join in welcoming Tiberius Germanicus to Nova Roma.
It's all the more wonderful to me, because it means my
province is richer by another enthused cive!

Livia Marcia Aurelia
Propraetrix, America Austroccidentalis


Subject:	[novaroma] Consular Edictum
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:43:14 -0500

Salvete, Omnes;

As governor of the America Mediatlantica Provincia of Nova Roma, I hereby
appoint Merlynia Ambrosia Artori to the position of Legatus, with
responsibilities covering the greater Philadelphia Regio (which includes
southern New Jersey). I am certain that her enthusiasm and experience will
enable her to do great things in helping Nova Roma in general and the
Mediatlantica provincia prosper.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

"For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
bad one." (Crassus in the film "Spartacus")

email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org


Subject:	[novaroma] Congrats
From:	=?iso-8859-1?B?WWFubiBRdely6Q==?= <yquere@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:55:45 +0100

Congratulations to our new Aedile Plebis M. Apollonius Formosanus

I.Querius Armoricus
Propraetor Galliae
http://www.gallia.novaroma.org


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Place names
From:	=?iso-8859-1?B?WWFubiBRdely6Q==?= <yquere@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:59:05 +0100

Salve

The city which is very close to the ancient site of Actium is currently
named Preveza (Greece of course)

Ianus Querius Armoricus Lutecio
Propraetor Galliae

----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Stevenson <dougies@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:30 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Place names

> Ave all,
>
> I am doing some research, and I was wondering if you could help me with
> this. I'm looking for current forms of the names of old cities, and was
> wondering if anyone could tell me the names of:
>
> * Beneventum
> * Capua
> * Actium
> * Pharsalus
> * Thermopylae
>
> Also, can anyone tell me where Hadrian's tomb, which was converted into a
> fortress is located?
>
> Do any of the ruins of Corinth or Sparta still exist?
>
> Valete bene
>
>
>
>
>


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Yippie-icus I am officially a Nova Roman!!!!
From:	qimaster@--------
Date:	Thu, 01 Feb 2001 18:39:33 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@--------> wrote:
> Welcome!
>
> L Aetius Dalmaticus
>

>
> =====
> LTC JEFFREY C. SMITH
> HQ USAREUR/7A
> CMR 420, BOX 2839
> APO AE 09063-2839
>
> "The cemeteries are full of indispensible men." --Charles de
Gaulle
>

Dear L. Aetius Dalmaticus;

I served with the 3rd ID in Wurzburg, Kitzingen and schweinfurt back
in the late 70's. was in combat aviation. what fun!

Thanks for the welcome!

T. T. Germanicus


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Yippie-icus I am officially a Nova Roman!!!!
From:	qimaster@--------
Date:	Thu, 01 Feb 2001 18:39:43 -0000


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Place names
From:	"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:32:48 +0100

Salve Sura,

> * Thermopylae

This isn't an actual place, and I believe it never was (?). I thought it was
a very narrow mountain pass through which the Spartan army tried to block
the Persian army, which outnumbered them many times. Obviously the Spartans
lost, but it was still an impressive act of strategy. Where the exact
location is slips my mind (even though I passed in the neighbourhood by bus
last year!), but I think it would be around the plains of Thessalia. I could
be dead wrong, though.

Vale,
Draco


Subject:	[novaroma] Best Gladius Iberius Model available? Supplier?
From:	qimaster@--------
Date:	Thu, 01 Feb 2001 18:48:09 -0000

I recently ordered a pompeii gladius iberius from blacksword.com
and I was wondering if the gladius owning people on this list, would
comment on the condition of manufacture of their respective gladii.

The one I am getting is imported and made in India. There is such a
backorder for these weapons, that I am lucky I made it on the list in
time to get put in line for one.

opinions and comments please:)?

another topic is one of Helmets and lorica segmentatum. Opinions and
ideas gratefully accepted. Looking to stay within a certain budget:)
and maybe even being able to get another gladius as well:)

T. T. Germanicus


Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN [Religio Romana] Kalendis Februaris (on February 1st)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:03:20 -0000

Salvete omnes

Today is a "dies nefastus" (N), a day when legal action cannot take place.

Today the Pontifices announce the Nonas from the Curia Calabra after
performing a sacrifice to Iuno, where Ianus is also invoked. The
announcement is performed by a Pontifex Minor associated to the Rex
Sacrorum, who invokes Iuno Covella on the fifth day of the month:
"Die Quinti te kalo Iuno Covella"
The Regina Sacrorum also sacrifices to Iuno at the Regia.
Februarius is a month dedicated to the dead, when purification rites must be
performed. In fact the word "februum" was used by the ancestors to denote a
purification instrument in general. As such, what gives the name to this
month is the purification of the ground with strips of hide performed by the
Luperci at the Lupercalia.
Today, the Pontifices ask the Rex Sacrorum and the Flamen Dialis for woollen
cloths also called "februa".
A sheep is offered before the temple of Vesta, then another one before the
temple Iuppiter Tonans, and finally another one before the temple of
Iuppiter Capitolinus.

Today is the aniversary ('dies natalis') of Iuno Sospita, the Iuno of
Lanuvium, whose temple stays on the Palatine Hill.

This day is also associated to the cult of Alernus. Today, the Pontifices
and a multitude of worshipers bring offerings to him at the entrance of his
grove. His grove stays by the spot where the Tiber meets the ocean. Alernus
is the father of Carna (the nymph whose name was Cranf, but who, by means of
Janus, became Carna, or goddess of all hinges of doors, entrances or exits,
who also assists during childbirth). The animal sacrificed to Alernus is a
black bull (see Festus, De verborum significatione), denoting his
connections to underworld (he is also connected to the black beans used in
May to exorcise the dead).

Pax deorum Vobiscum

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex


Subject:	[novaroma] RE: Language
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@-------->
Date:	Thu, 01 Feb 2001 20:33:41 +0200

M. Apollonius Formosanus Priscillae Vediae Serenae omnibusque Quiritibus
S.P.D.

Scripsisti, Priscilla:

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:00:03 -0500
From: "JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@-------->
Subject: RE: Language

Salve,

I believe I need to clarify current list policy for you. Posts in
languages
other than English are not *banned*. All that is asked is that posts
include an English translation. As stated, I contact individuals
personally
and assist them in working with a translator so that their future posts
will
appear in their native language AS WELL AS English.

To state that this list policy is xenophobic is inaccurate. All posters
are
welcomed and encouraged to get involved and get to know us. However, as

every individual clearly sees as they sign up for this list, the
language of
the list is English. As also stated, as long as translations into
English
are included in the post, there is no problem.

Your comments imply that only English speakers are welcome here and that
is
simply not true. In point of fact, I work very hard to assure that
every
member who wishes to participate is given every opportunity to do so.

Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
Curatrix Sermonem

RESPONDEO:

I understood the policy as you clarify it above when I condemned it.
Forcing persons who wish to post in their own or another preferred
language to have an English translation as though their language of
choice were a child that required an English adult to accompany it in a
serious place is essentially patronising to the majority of the world,
which does not speak English.

I have no quarrel with the idea that many Americans and other native
English speakers, and some non-native speakers who feel capable and
comfortable with English might make the de facto majority of posts here
English. I do oppose the idea that this list should be made for
ideological, legal or regulatory purposes "English".

I also have no quarrel with helping people find translators *if*
they feel a need for them. That is an excellent idea. There will,
however, be some people who feel this is the best (or at least a good)
place to address their own language-community members in their own
tongue. There may be others who dislike the perceived imperialistic
pretensions of English in the world, and would rather be less-widely
understood than to be forced to have a translation into English. And no
doubt there are others who simply do not want to pester a translator all
the time, but would rather just be content with whatever degree of
understanding their posts in their preferred language may achieve.

All languages should be at least theoretically equal here (perhaps
with a bit of extra prestige for Latin :-). Although the Nova Roma
server and the list server of this list, and the state of incorporation
of Nova Roma are all in the United States of America, Nova Roma as a
micronation is equally linked to *all* citizens of whatever
macronationality and native language they happen to be. Posts and
digests come into homes in Germany, France, Italy, Brazil, etc. exactly
as they come into American homes. Do we really want to tell our citizens
in other macronations that in this international communications system
that this Nova Roma Main List will not tolerate their free expression in
their mother tongues without bowing to the power of the Anglophone
community here?

It is important that the linguistic freedom of expression of the
Main List be respected. Various provinces have lists functioning in
their own languages now (thanks partly to the work of the Amici
Dignitatis) and Latin. Various North American provinces, and of course
Britannia have lists that quite reasonably function almost completely in
English. But this, the Main List, has a special place, and I think that
making unnecessary rules to limit the use of the other 6000+ languages
in the world and give a special place to English would be a serious
mistake. This is the true Forum Romanum where the whole world joins
together. English speakers who have almost monopolised this forum
hitherto should be willing to give an equally free chance to those who
use other languages by preference. The result should be a delightful
babble that expresses our Nova Roman universality, tolerance and
colourful abundance of life!

Valete!


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Place names
From:	sfp55@--------
Date:	Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:55:16 EST

In a message dated 2/1/2001 10:53:55 AM Pacific Standard Time,
hendrik.meuleman@-------- writes:

<< This isn't an actual place, and I believe it never was (?). I thought it
was
a very narrow mountain pass through which the Spartan army tried to block
the Persian army, which outnumbered them many times. Obviously the Spartans
lost, but it was still an impressive act of strategy. Where the exact
location is slips my mind (even though I passed in the neighbourhood by bus
last year!), but I think it would be around the plains of Thessalia. I could
be dead wrong, thoug >>
- Actually it is a place. It is the area of hot salt pools and springs that
rich Greeks would go to relieve their aches and pains. Hence the name
"Thermopylai" (hot passage).
There was a small village near by called "Draksopilia" but there was no
actual village on the site. The famous Pass along the gates runs for about a
1/2 mile from Thessaly to Lokris, in ancient times with the Gulf of Lamia and
Mt Oeta narrowing
it to less then 50 yards (110 paces) at the hot gate.
The main road from Makedon to N. Greece to S. Greece ran through the pass,
making it strategically valuable to any force wanting to block an invasion
from the North into Greece.
Three recorded battles were fought there. Leonidios' stand in 480, the
unsuccessful defense against the Kelts in 278, and Antiochus' III defeat by
the Roman Consul Glabrio in 191.
Q. Fabius Maximus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Best Gladius Iberius Model available? Supplier?
From:	sfp55@--------
Date:	Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:36:03 EST

In a message dated 2/1/2001 12:10:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,
qimaster@-------- writes:

<< recently ordered a pompeii gladius iberius from blacksword.com
and I was wondering if the gladius owning people on this list, would
comment on the condition of manufacture of their respective gladii. >>
The best is the 1,500 one from the German designer.
His weapons are museum quality and tempered.
QFM


Subject:	[novaroma] Century Points
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:39:18 -0500

Fl Vedius Germanicus novaromanis S.P.D.,

A thought occurred to me the other day when considering the question of
Century Points.

As it stands now, the Lex Vedia Centuriata (and the various leges that have
since amended it) sets awards for civic participation, upon which standing
in the Centuries is based. The more a cive participates, the more of a minor
edge they get in the voting centuries. All well and good.

However, the points awarded are scaled towards participation in the central
government. Aside from the governors of provinces, no allowance is made for
participation within provincial government, or on a local scale. One could
undertake yeoman's work in putting together a local chapter or serve as
provincial legatus for 20 years, with no recognition via the Century point
system. Such was not the intent of the system when it was developed.

However, there is no real "place" for such provincial and local awards.
Would serving in a local Municipium's Senate fit into the scale of awards
for service in the national government? What about putting together a local
Civium's newsletter? What reward for organizing a single event?

I think we need to make room for more "minor" contributions to Nova Roma's
growth. This is not to say that they are unimportant; quite the contrary,
they will I am certain prove to be vital to our continued organic bottom-up
growth. However, we need to allow for minor rewards for minor services.

I would suggest that all Century point awards currently on the books be
multiplied by ten. Similarly, all current Century point totals held by
citizens would also be so multiplied. No one would change one iota in their
relative standing, and new Citizens would be in _precisely_ the same
position when it came to earning new points. Since the whole system is
multiplied by ten, all of the relationships remain exactly the same. It
would be exactly the same as if we allowed for fractional century points
(but without the psychological stigma; 'Three-tenths of a century point.
Wow.')

What this idea would do, however, is allow us a whole range of minor awards.
Now, 5 century points is the equivalent of serving in a minor magistracy in
the central government. Afterwards, 5 century points could be a suitable
reward for putting together a local convivium (feast).

I'm not saying that we need to expressly lay out what all those minor
rewards should be, or who should administer them at this time. It's clearly
too early to know exactly what will and won't be needed, or appropriate.
However, I think we can foresee that the need for such will be there, and I
see no reason not to make provision for it at this time.

Any thoughts?

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

"For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
bad one." (Crassus in the film "Spartacus")

email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] RE: Language
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:59:58 -0500

Salvete;

> -----Original Message-----
> From: M. Apollonius Formosanus [mailto:bvm3@--------]
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 13:34
>
> But this, the Main List, has a special place, and I think that
> making unnecessary rules to limit the use of the other 6000+ languages
> in the world and give a special place to English would be a serious
> mistake. This is the true Forum Romanum where the whole world joins
> together. English speakers who have almost monopolised this forum
> hitherto should be willing to give an equally free chance to those who
> use other languages by preference. The result should be a delightful
> babble that expresses our Nova Roman universality, tolerance and
> colourful abundance of life!

Do you _really_ want the main list to degenerate into an unintelligible
babble, with people posting in 6,000 different languages, no one able to
understand anyone else? This is not a question of English speakers
"monopolizing" anything, or of anyone "oppressing" anyone else. It's a
question of practicality, not ideology. Like it or not, the vast majority of
Citizens speaks English, and if posters on the main list want to be
understood (and understand others) they need to post in English to do so. I
doubt that many folks would be pleased if I started presenting all votes for
the Comitia in Old Norse or Klingon, and few more would be served if you
started posting only in Esperanto or Interlingua. It's simply a matter of
being able to communicate.

There are already places in Nova Roma where people are expected to post in
languages other than English, and more are being added all the time (and
will likely continue to, as we create provinciae in non-English-speaking
countries). Versions of the web site (or at least portions of it) have
either been or are in the process of being translated into a variety of
languages. I'm sure that local meetings in Italy will all be done in
Italian. Terrific! If it allows us to reach more people, I'm all for it.

However, the vast majority of Citizens have at least a passable
understanding of English, and for purely practical reasons, English is our
Lingua Franca, like it or not. (And yes, the irony of that last bit didn't
escape me *grin*) Until such time as technology gives us truly reliable
electronic translation services, I'm afraid that we're stuck with serving
the interests of the vast majority.

It's just practical.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

"For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
bad one." (Crassus in the film "Spartacus")

email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] RE: Language
From:	"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:07:32 -0500

Salve M. Apollonius,

I must say, with all due respect, I stand here amazed at your ability to
create an *issue* where none exists. Your ability to see oppression,
discord and discrimination where none exists is truly a talent. I will not
go through your post line by line, as it would serve little purpose. I
will, however, comment as follows:

1. Just as the setting of this list will not be changed due to the *one*
piece of Spam recently received, I will not alter list policy to accommodate
the *one* person to date who has had an issue with posting in English.
Every individual choosing to subscribe to this list does so after seeing a
clear statement that this list is in English.

2. The purpose of this forum is communication. The fact of the matter is,
whether you approve or not, that English is the official language of this
list. This is done, far from the oppressive/anti-non-English speaker
motives you allude to, for the simple reason that posts that cannot be
understood by the members do very little to foster communication. Although
your assertion that much of the world does not speak English *may* be
accurate, it is also true that 99.9% of our members here do.

3. I will remind you, again, that as long as each post contains an English
translation, languages other than English are more than welcome here. There
is no *all-or-nothing* situation here, regardless of what your inflammatory
rhetoric tries to state.

I would mention, in closing, that if the day ever comes that a list member
is turned away, denied subscription, humiliated, ignored or refused
assistance due to their native language, THEN you will have every reason to
cry oppression. To try and do so now, simply because this list carries a
requirement that at least a translation of each post must be understandable
to the vast majority of our members is ludicrous.

Vale,

Priscilla Vedia Serena
Curatrix Sermonem

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Place names
From:	Michel Loos <loos@-------->
Date:	Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:02:10 -0200

"S. Apollonius Draco" wrote:
>
> Salve Sura,
>
> > * Thermopylae
>
> This isn't an actual place, and I believe it never was (?). I thought it was
> a very narrow mountain pass through which the Spartan army tried to block
> the Persian army, which outnumbered them many times. Obviously the Spartans
> lost, but it was still an impressive act of strategy. Where the exact
> location is slips my mind (even though I passed in the neighbourhood by bus
> last year!), but I think it would be around the plains of Thessalia. I could
> be dead wrong, though.
>

Still has the same name, still is pass you pass when you go from
northern greece to Athens.

Manius Villius Limitanus

> Vale,
> Draco
>


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] RE: Language
From:	Mike Macnair <MikeMacnair@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:48:10 -0500

Salvete!

Priscilla Vedia Serena wrote,

>1. Just as the setting of this list will not be changed due to the *one*
>piece of Spam recently received, I will not alter list policy to
accommodate
>the *one* person to date who has had an issue with posting in English.<

Actually, I don't think Formosanus is the only person who has raised on the
list queries about this policy.

My own concern about it (not having posted on this thread so far) is that
it seems incompatible with the purposes of the list to object to
untranslated Latin; and, in fact, posters very commonly use untranslated
Latin words and phrases.

Still, sic transit gloria mundi and all that...

Valete,

M. Mucius Scaevola Magister


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] RE: Language
From:	Michel Loos <loos@-------->
Date:	Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:56:07 -0200

Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:
>
> Salvete;
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: M. Apollonius Formosanus [mailto:bvm3@--------]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 13:34
> >
> > But this, the Main List, has a special place, and I think that
> > making unnecessary rules to limit the use of the other 6000+ languages
> > in the world and give a special place to English would be a serious
> > mistake. This is the true Forum Romanum where the whole world joins
> > together. English speakers who have almost monopolised this forum
> > hitherto should be willing to give an equally free chance to those who
> > use other languages by preference. The result should be a delightful
> > babble that expresses our Nova Roman universality, tolerance and
> > colourful abundance of life!
>
> Do you _really_ want the main list to degenerate into an unintelligible
> babble, with people posting in 6,000 different languages, no one able to
> understand anyone else? This is not a question of English speakers
> "monopolizing" anything, or of anyone "oppressing" anyone else. It's a
> question of practicality, not ideology. Like it or not, the vast majority of
> Citizens speaks English, and if posters on the main list want to be
> understood (and understand others) they need to post in English to do so. I
> doubt that many folks would be pleased if I started presenting all votes for
> the Comitia in Old Norse or Klingon, and few more would be served if you
> started posting only in Esperanto or Interlingua. It's simply a matter of
> being able to communicate.
>
> There are already places in Nova Roma where people are expected to post in
> languages other than English, and more are being added all the time (and
> will likely continue to, as we create provinciae in non-English-speaking
> countries). Versions of the web site (or at least portions of it) have
> either been or are in the process of being translated into a variety of
> languages. I'm sure that local meetings in Italy will all be done in
> Italian. Terrific! If it allows us to reach more people, I'm all for it.
>
> However, the vast majority of Citizens have at least a passable
> understanding of English, and for purely practical reasons, English is our
> Lingua Franca, like it or not. (And yes, the irony of that last bit didn't
> escape me *grin*) Until such time as technology gives us truly reliable
> electronic translation services, I'm afraid that we're stuck with serving
> the interests of the vast majority.
>
> It's just practical.
>

I can t agree. It is practical for you, not for us. Most of us don t
mind to
write in english, translating from our own languages, but it still
hampers in expressing exactly our thoughts. What is the proportion of
active listers on citizen for native english speakers ? And for
non-native english speakers ? I have the feeling there is some
difference.

If one can express himself here in his own language, because there will
be some
other citizen understanding his language and with a better fluency in
english who will translate him afterwards, then it will be much easier.

I think you forgot that it is much easier to understand a language then
to speak it. We have good probabilities to understand old English (try
reading the Beowulf), but I doubt there is somebody here which can write
in Old English.

Manius Villius Limitanus

> Valete,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
>
> "For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
> bad one." (Crassus in the film "Spartacus")
>
> email: germanicus@--------
> AIM: Flavius Vedius
> www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
>


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Place names
From:	"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:14:53 -0500

I heard somewhere that Thermopylae means "Hot Gates" (roughly) in Greek, and
refers to the hot springs that were located near the pass - can anyone
confirm (or deny) this?

C. Minucius Hadrianus

Inscribed on the ancient monument at the pass of Thermopylae in 481 BCE (273
AUC), one year after the great battle with the Persian Army:

"Go Tell The Spartans,
Stranger Passing By,
That Here Obedient To Their Laws,
We Lie."

-Simonides (Later quoted by Herodotus)

The link below is to a photo of the actual bronze plaque:

http://nimbus.temple.edu/~jsiegel/lectures/history/Persian%20Wars/north44.ht
m

-----Original Message-----
From: loos@-------- [mailto:loos@--------]On Behalf Of
Michel Loos
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 3:02 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Place names

"S. Apollonius Draco" wrote:
>
> Salve Sura,
>
> > * Thermopylae
>
> This isn't an actual place, and I believe it never was (?). I thought it
was
> a very narrow mountain pass through which the Spartan army tried to block
> the Persian army, which outnumbered them many times. Obviously the
Spartans
> lost, but it was still an impressive act of strategy. Where the exact
> location is slips my mind (even though I passed in the neighbourhood by
bus
> last year!), but I think it would be around the plains of Thessalia. I
could
> be dead wrong, though.
>

Still has the same name, still is pass you pass when you go from
northern greece to Athens.

Manius Villius Limitanus

> Vale,
> Draco
>


Subject:	[novaroma] Digest N 1212 Best Gladius Iberius Model available? Supplier?
From:	"Lucius Equitius" <vze23hw7@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:16:39 -0500

Salvete,

Albion Armorers, Inc.
http://www.albionarmorers.com/swordsmain.htm
http://www.albionarmorers.com/armormain.htm
Authentic Gladii, Loricae et Galeae (swords, armor and helmets)

Bonam Fortunam,
Lucius Equitius
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 17
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 18:48:09 -0000
From: qimaster@--------
Subject: Best Gladius Iberius Model available? Supplier?

I recently ordered a pompeii gladius iberius from blacksword.com
and I was wondering if the gladius owning people on this list, would
comment on the condition of manufacture of their respective gladii.

The one I am getting is imported and made in India. There is such a
backorder for these weapons, that I am lucky I made it on the list in
time to get put in line for one.

opinions and comments please:)?

another topic is one of Helmets and lorica segmentatum. Opinions and
ideas gratefully accepted. Looking to stay within a certain budget:)
and maybe even being able to get another gladius as well:)

T. T. Germanicus


Subject:	[novaroma] Maestitia
From:	"Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@-------->
Date:	Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:22:54 -0000

N. Moravius Quiritibus Novae Romae salutem dat

Early this evening, Aletheia Moravia's father died suddenly in hospital, two days after a serious but apparently succesful operation. Please excuse my silent absence for a little while hereafter.

He had a great regard for the Roman army, as the progenitor of the army he knew and loved. He served in one of its finest units, commanding his first turma in Deva and returning to Britannia to command his last cohort in Cataractorum.

None of you knew him, but I am sure many of you have known men of his quality. I humbly ask that any of you who have respect for such, and what their service stands for, to spare a prayer for the spirit of Major Derek Gordon Hughes, and those of us who are feeling that the world is diminished by his departing.

Vale

Vado.

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