| Subject: |
[novaroma] Age and Citizenship |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:46:31 -0500 |
|
Fl Vedius Germanicus novaromanis S.P.D.,
The subject of the status of younger persons in Nova Roma has come up
recently both here and in the Senate. I wanted to open up a new discussion
on the issue, because I think young people are, and will be, vital to the
success of our Republic. I've done some more thinking on the subject, and
some more research, and wanted to share my new thoughts with you all.
(Please note I am speaking here solely on the question of Citizenship and
age; the question of magistracies and age is a separate one, for a separate
discussion, possibly in connection with the whole Cursus Honorum issue.)
As it currently stands, no one can become a Citizen unless they are sui
juris (of the age of consent) where they live (Constitution, para II.A.1.).
The exact age varies from macronation to macronation, but a good rule of
thumb is 18 years of age. I'm going to use that as shorthand for "sui juris
in their domicile" throughout this post.
Persons under 18 may not apply for Citizenship, but they may (with the
written permission of their parents or guardians) join gentes (Constitution,
para II.A.2.). Such non-Cive gens members are completely the responsibility
of the paterfamilias; they can show up at events, but they have no legal
rights or protections other than those the paterfamilias can and will
provide. The old Constitution made a similar, if more cumbersome, provision.
I think this system should be changed. If we're going to put in place a
system that allows young people a place to participate in our society, we
need to afford them the same legal protections (and certain appropriate
rights) as adults. This question has come up in particular because many
children of adult citizens, it turns out, are to be found listed in our
Album Civium. They're not legally citizens, but they are members of our
society, and we make little provision for them in our institutions.
In Roma Antiqua, children of citizens were themselves citizens (even Paul
speaks of being "born into citizenship" in the Bible). When one reached the
age of 17, one was enrolled as a iuniore on the Census rolls, and could vote
and generally assume the other civic responsibilities associated with
adulthood. I believe that we can, with proper safeguards to satisfy
macronational legal interests, bring our own system of Citizenship (relating
to the age of citizens) closer to that found in Roma Antiqua.
My solution would be to change the relevant paragraphs in the Constitution
to allow Citizenship to anyone regardless of age, with children under 18
requiring written approval from their parents or (macronational) legal
guardian. Paragraphs II.B.3. (the right to vote) and II.B.8. (the right to
join the Ordo Equester) would also have to be modified, having them come
into effect on the occasion of one's 17th birthday. (Question; regarding the
right of provocatio, should it be perhaps explicitly stated that it can be
called on a child's behalf by his or her paterfamilias? I shudder at the
spectacle of a 6 year old bringing a suit in court.)
This way, we have the joy of the pitter-patter of little cives at our
ever-growing roster of events, and render a definitive statement on the age
at which one is granted the right to vote (rather than have it be dependent
on variable macronational law).
Any thoughts?
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
"For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
bad one." (Crassus in the film "Spartacus")
email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] recent vote tallies question? |
| From: |
asseri@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:03:22 EST |
|
Salve most noble citizens of the list,
I until today was getting my list in digest. I was dismayed and
perhaps just confused. I am a member of tribe 22 , one of the tribes that was
listed to not have cast a valid vote.
I never received word of a vote. Was this something I should have been
voting on? Are not the general membership supposed to be notified of a vote
separate from the list?
Or is this something I am not supposed to worry about?
Prima Anncina Olivia
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] recent vote tallies question? |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:53:58 -0500 |
|
Salve;
If I may speak in support of the Tribuni Plebis, the general membership was
indeed informed of the vote in the Comitia Plebis Tributa. While individual
emails weren't sent to each citizen, such are not required under the Lex
Vedia de Ratione Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum. Posting notice of the vote
here on the main list is considered sufficient notice.
The call to vote is in the archives, #17947 (dated 1/18). The post where
they halted the vote on the plebiscita, but continued it on the candidates
for office, is #18019 (dated 1/20).
You should indeed be mindful of votes. But they need not be announced
outside of the main list (or the web site, or other public venues, as
defined by law). The Tribunes did everything they were supposed to do, and
no blame should be assigned to them.
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
"For Graccus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
bad one." (Crassus, in the film "Spartacus")
email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
ICQ: 106199729
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asseri@-------- [mailto:asseri@--------]
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 10:03 PM
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] recent vote tallies question?
>
>
> Salve most noble citizens of the list,
> I until today was getting my list in digest. I was dismayed and
> perhaps just confused. I am a member of tribe 22 , one of the
> tribes that was
> listed to not have cast a valid vote.
> I never received word of a vote. Was this something I
> should have been
> voting on? Are not the general membership supposed to be
> notified of a vote
> separate from the list?
> Or is this something I am not supposed to worry about?
>
> Prima Anncina Olivia
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Century Points |
| From: |
gmvick32@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 02 Feb 2001 22:22:49 -0700 |
|
Ah, well then Germanicus, perhaps I misunderstood. You
know, this thing called email communication.
If the point you are introducing is to multiply everybody's
century points, and so be able to offer a graduated scale
for minor-to-major appointed/elected offices held without
ending up with ludicrous fractions, that's fine to me. My
main concern be that whatever changes in the century points
system be something that can be codified into an impartial
equation.
Livia
Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:
> Salvete;
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gmvick32@-------- [mailto:gmvick32@--------]
> > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 01:08
> >
> > I discourage the allotment of century points for tasks.
> If
> > you want to expand the century points for assuming and
> > holding a minor office such as a provincial legate or
> > scribe, where I currently don't think we do it, that's
> > fine.
>
> I do agree with much of what you say about the points for
> tasks, but that
> was just tossed out as an example, and wasn't really the
> thrust of my post.
> Even putting that question aside, I think the
> multiplying-by-ten idea is
> still needed for when we start having people
> elected/appointed to local or
> provincial positions. After all, I think that serving as a
> scribus to a
> duumvirus* should have some reward, but having that reward
> be 10% of the
> reward for a serving Tribune of the Plebs is probably a
> little excessive. I
> just want us to have the flexibility to make those
> decisions when the time
> comes.
>
> * Just a hypothetical example. The duumviri were the
> magistrates in charge
> of towns, and it seemed like a good analogy for local
> chapters.
>
> Valete,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
>
> "For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a
> profession, and not such a
> bad one." (Crassus in the film "Spartacus")
>
> email: germanicus@--------
> AIM: Flavius Vedius
> www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
www. .com
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Age and Citizenship |
| From: |
"Robert W" <robert@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 3 Feb 2001 00:48:50 -0500 |
|
Salve: I believe that our noble consul Flavius Vedius Germanicus has
put forward an excellent idea for those of us who have children. I know that
in my family there is a thirteen year old and a ten year old both interested
in Ancient Rome and Nova Roma, but who have up until now felt left out by
not being of age for citizenship. If, with their parents permission, they
could be enrolled as citizens, I know that they would not hesitate to apply
to become Nova Romans. I wish to thank our consul Flavius Vedius Germanicus
for bringing this topic up for discussion.
Vale, ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
----- Original Message -----
From: Flavius Vedius Germanicus <germanicus@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 8:46 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Age and Citizenship
> Fl Vedius Germanicus novaromanis S.P.D.,
>
> The subject of the status of younger persons in Nova Roma has come up
> recently both here and in the Senate. I wanted to open up a new discussion
> on the issue, because I think young people are, and will be, vital to the
> success of our Republic. I've done some more thinking on the subject, and
> some more research, and wanted to share my new thoughts with you all.
> (Please note I am speaking here solely on the question of Citizenship and
> age; the question of magistracies and age is a separate one, for a
separate
> discussion, possibly in connection with the whole Cursus Honorum issue.)
>
> As it currently stands, no one can become a Citizen unless they are sui
> juris (of the age of consent) where they live (Constitution, para
II.A.1.).
> The exact age varies from macronation to macronation, but a good rule of
> thumb is 18 years of age. I'm going to use that as shorthand for "sui
juris
> in their domicile" throughout this post.
>
> Persons under 18 may not apply for Citizenship, but they may (with the
> written permission of their parents or guardians) join gentes
(Constitution,
> para II.A.2.). Such non-Cive gens members are completely the
responsibility
> of the paterfamilias; they can show up at events, but they have no legal
> rights or protections other than those the paterfamilias can and will
> provide. The old Constitution made a similar, if more cumbersome,
provision.
>
> I think this system should be changed. If we're going to put in place a
> system that allows young people a place to participate in our society, we
> need to afford them the same legal protections (and certain appropriate
> rights) as adults. This question has come up in particular because many
> children of adult citizens, it turns out, are to be found listed in our
> Album Civium. They're not legally citizens, but they are members of our
> society, and we make little provision for them in our institutions.
>
> In Roma Antiqua, children of citizens were themselves citizens (even Paul
> speaks of being "born into citizenship" in the Bible). When one reached
the
> age of 17, one was enrolled as a iuniore on the Census rolls, and could
vote
> and generally assume the other civic responsibilities associated with
> adulthood. I believe that we can, with proper safeguards to satisfy
> macronational legal interests, bring our own system of Citizenship
(relating
> to the age of citizens) closer to that found in Roma Antiqua.
>
> My solution would be to change the relevant paragraphs in the Constitution
> to allow Citizenship to anyone regardless of age, with children under 18
> requiring written approval from their parents or (macronational) legal
> guardian. Paragraphs II.B.3. (the right to vote) and II.B.8. (the right to
> join the Ordo Equester) would also have to be modified, having them come
> into effect on the occasion of one's 17th birthday. (Question; regarding
the
> right of provocatio, should it be perhaps explicitly stated that it can be
> called on a child's behalf by his or her paterfamilias? I shudder at the
> spectacle of a 6 year old bringing a suit in court.)
>
> This way, we have the joy of the pitter-patter of little cives at our
> ever-growing roster of events, and render a definitive statement on the
age
> at which one is granted the right to vote (rather than have it be
dependent
> on variable macronational law).
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Valete,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
>
> "For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such
a
> bad one." (Crassus in the film "Spartacus")
>
> email: germanicus@--------
> AIM: Flavius Vedius
> www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Age and Citizenship |
| From: |
"Robert W" <robert@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 3 Feb 2001 01:22:25 -0500 |
|
Salve: Further to my last post, as regards the right of provocatio, I do
agree that it should be explicitly stated in the Constitution that it can
only be called on a child's behalf, by his or hers paterfamilias.
Vale, ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
----- Original Message -----
From: Flavius Vedius Germanicus <germanicus@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 8:46 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Age and Citizenship
> Fl Vedius Germanicus novaromanis S.P.D.,
>
> The subject of the status of younger persons in Nova Roma has come up
> recently both here and in the Senate. I wanted to open up a new discussion
> on the issue, because I think young people are, and will be, vital to the
> success of our Republic. I've done some more thinking on the subject, and
> some more research, and wanted to share my new thoughts with you all.
> (Please note I am speaking here solely on the question of Citizenship and
> age; the question of magistracies and age is a separate one, for a
separate
> discussion, possibly in connection with the whole Cursus Honorum issue.)
>
> As it currently stands, no one can become a Citizen unless they are sui
> juris (of the age of consent) where they live (Constitution, para
II.A.1.).
> The exact age varies from macronation to macronation, but a good rule of
> thumb is 18 years of age. I'm going to use that as shorthand for "sui
juris
> in their domicile" throughout this post.
>
> Persons under 18 may not apply for Citizenship, but they may (with the
> written permission of their parents or guardians) join gentes
(Constitution,
> para II.A.2.). Such non-Cive gens members are completely the
responsibility
> of the paterfamilias; they can show up at events, but they have no legal
> rights or protections other than those the paterfamilias can and will
> provide. The old Constitution made a similar, if more cumbersome,
provision.
>
> I think this system should be changed. If we're going to put in place a
> system that allows young people a place to participate in our society, we
> need to afford them the same legal protections (and certain appropriate
> rights) as adults. This question has come up in particular because many
> children of adult citizens, it turns out, are to be found listed in our
> Album Civium. They're not legally citizens, but they are members of our
> society, and we make little provision for them in our institutions.
>
> In Roma Antiqua, children of citizens were themselves citizens (even Paul
> speaks of being "born into citizenship" in the Bible). When one reached
the
> age of 17, one was enrolled as a iuniore on the Census rolls, and could
vote
> and generally assume the other civic responsibilities associated with
> adulthood. I believe that we can, with proper safeguards to satisfy
> macronational legal interests, bring our own system of Citizenship
(relating
> to the age of citizens) closer to that found in Roma Antiqua.
>
> My solution would be to change the relevant paragraphs in the Constitution
> to allow Citizenship to anyone regardless of age, with children under 18
> requiring written approval from their parents or (macronational) legal
> guardian. Paragraphs II.B.3. (the right to vote) and II.B.8. (the right to
> join the Ordo Equester) would also have to be modified, having them come
> into effect on the occasion of one's 17th birthday. (Question; regarding
the
> right of provocatio, should it be perhaps explicitly stated that it can be
> called on a child's behalf by his or her paterfamilias? I shudder at the
> spectacle of a 6 year old bringing a suit in court.)
>
> This way, we have the joy of the pitter-patter of little cives at our
> ever-growing roster of events, and render a definitive statement on the
age
> at which one is granted the right to vote (rather than have it be
dependent
> on variable macronational law).
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Valete,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
>
> "For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such
a
> bad one." (Crassus in the film "Spartacus")
>
> email: germanicus@--------
> AIM: Flavius Vedius
> www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Language |
| From: |
Mike Macnair <MikeMacnair@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 3 Feb 2001 04:09:30 -0500 |
|
Salvete!
Manius Villius Limitanus wrote,
>No actual case happened, we are discussing the official policy of the
list.
Actually, this reaffirmation was a result of the defamatory post by the
"troll", which contained a couple of lines of untranslated latin, I think,
though I didn't bother to chase it up, a quote from Juvenal. The reference
to language was frankly off the point, since the defamatory/ satirical
intent of the poster was perfectly clear (this point has also been made by
Ericius).
The junior Tribune suggests that the policy is unconstitutional. However,
note that the Curatrix Sermonem did not say that untranslated posts are
prohibited, (which would be unconstitutional) merely that they are
unwelcome.
Even so, I think it's problematic. I sympathise with those cives who find
it not so easy to express themselves in English; I can read French pretty
fluently, but couldn't express myself in French for toffee. I agree that
anyone who wants to be heard by the majority will, if they can, post in
English or provide a translation; and that normally translations should be
provided for Latin text. But I think that something along the lines of
"English translations should if possible be provided for messages or
passages not in English" would be a less "hostile" way of putting this
point than "posts in foreign languages without accompanying English
translation have also been declared unwelcome".
I am not convinced by the supposed practicalities, since if these are
serious they would lead to a prohibitory rule enforced by moderation, not
to a statement of "unwelcomeness". Heavy traffic is a result of there being
(a) lots of us and (b) some of us who spend too much time online!
Valete,
M. Mucius Scaevola Magister
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Language |
| From: |
Christer Edling <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:24:21 +0100 |
|
M. Mucius Scaevola Magister wrote:
>The junior Tribune suggests that the policy is unconstitutional. However,
>note that the Curatrix Sermonem did not say that untranslated posts are
>prohibited, (which would be unconstitutional) merely that they are
>unwelcome.
>
>But I think that something along the lines of
>"English translations should if possible be provided for messages or
>passages not in English" would be a less "hostile" way of putting this
>point than "posts in foreign languages without accompanying English
>translation have also been declared unwelcome".
Salvete!
My native language is Swedish, I would never ask others who have another
non-English language as their native language to try to read my language on
this list. Det är helt enkelt inte vare sig speciellt artigt eller
praktiskt. It wouldn't be practical and there would be possible
misunderstandings all the times. In the issue of the language of the main
list I support the work of Honorable Curator Sermo Priscilla Vedia Serena.
I am also very thankful for her work to get translations of non-English
messages. Still we should always follow the Constution as stated by the
Illustrus Tribunus Plebis Gn. Moravius Piscinus. We will have to accept
messages that maybe will be totally impossible to understand for most of
the cives, because we don't want to close the door on anyone. That means
that in practice I support the honorable Rogator and Senator Marcus Mucius
Scaevola Magister as he has formulated the issue above.
Vale
Christer Edling
alias
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Assensus to Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus
cives Provinia Thule
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
"Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
************************************************
SHAMALI SALUKIS
************************************************
CAMELOT ROLEPLAYING WORKSHOP
Robert Andersson & Christer Edling
************************************************
IF GAMES - If reality was different!
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************************************************
MAIN E-MAIL ADDRESS: tjalens.h@--------
************************************************
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MOBILE: +70 - 643 88 80
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Magistrates site moved. |
| From: |
Christer Edling <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:44:00 +0100 |
|
>Salvete,
>
>The site has moved to:
>http://200.183.94.8:8080/magistrates2.php
>
>It includes now all magistrates of the first 2 centuries of the republic
>(non-US sense)
>That is:
>493 individuals,
>117 gentes (48 Patrician, 82 Plebeians) yes there are some which are
>both.
>
>Largest gens : Cornelia 31 individuals.
>
>Any ideas on other queries are welcome.
>
>Manius Villius Limitanus
>
Salve!
I simply love it!
Vale
Christer Edling
alias
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Assensus to Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus
cives Provinia Thule
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
"Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
************************************************
SHAMALI SALUKIS
************************************************
CAMELOT ROLEPLAYING WORKSHOP
Robert Andersson & Christer Edling
************************************************
IF GAMES - If reality was different!
Markus Sundbom & Christer Edling
************************************************
MAIN E-MAIL ADDRESS: tjalens.h@--------
************************************************
PRIVATE PHONE: +90 - 10 09 10
DOG BOARDING HOUSE PHONE: +90 - 503 56
MOBILE: +70 - 643 88 80
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Age and Citizenship |
| From: |
"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 3 Feb 2001 09:24:02 -0600 |
|
4 Feb 2001
Salve All
I am in agreement with this Post.
Vale
Quintus Sertorius
Propraetor
Canada Occidentalis
quintus-sertorius@--------
Join the egroup for Canada Occidentalis
http://www.egroups.com/group/NR_CanOcc
Join the Sertorii egroup.
http://www.egroups.com/group/Sertorii
----- Original Message -----
From: "Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 7:46 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Age and Citizenship
> Fl Vedius Germanicus novaromanis S.P.D.,
>
> The subject of the status of younger persons in Nova Roma has come up
> recently both here and in the Senate. I wanted to open up a new discussion
> on the issue, because I think young people are, and will be, vital to the
> success of our Republic. I've done some more thinking on the subject, and
> some more research, and wanted to share my new thoughts with you all.
> (Please note I am speaking here solely on the question of Citizenship and
> age; the question of magistracies and age is a separate one, for a
separate
> discussion, possibly in connection with the whole Cursus Honorum issue.)
>
> As it currently stands, no one can become a Citizen unless they are sui
> juris (of the age of consent) where they live (Constitution, para
II.A.1.).
> The exact age varies from macronation to macronation, but a good rule of
> thumb is 18 years of age. I'm going to use that as shorthand for "sui
juris
> in their domicile" throughout this post.
>
> Persons under 18 may not apply for Citizenship, but they may (with the
> written permission of their parents or guardians) join gentes
(Constitution,
> para II.A.2.). Such non-Cive gens members are completely the
responsibility
> of the paterfamilias; they can show up at events, but they have no legal
> rights or protections other than those the paterfamilias can and will
> provide. The old Constitution made a similar, if more cumbersome,
provision.
>
> I think this system should be changed. If we're going to put in place a
> system that allows young people a place to participate in our society, we
> need to afford them the same legal protections (and certain appropriate
> rights) as adults. This question has come up in particular because many
> children of adult citizens, it turns out, are to be found listed in our
> Album Civium. They're not legally citizens, but they are members of our
> society, and we make little provision for them in our institutions.
>
> In Roma Antiqua, children of citizens were themselves citizens (even Paul
> speaks of being "born into citizenship" in the Bible). When one reached
the
> age of 17, one was enrolled as a iuniore on the Census rolls, and could
vote
> and generally assume the other civic responsibilities associated with
> adulthood. I believe that we can, with proper safeguards to satisfy
> macronational legal interests, bring our own system of Citizenship
(relating
> to the age of citizens) closer to that found in Roma Antiqua.
>
> My solution would be to change the relevant paragraphs in the Constitution
> to allow Citizenship to anyone regardless of age, with children under 18
> requiring written approval from their parents or (macronational) legal
> guardian. Paragraphs II.B.3. (the right to vote) and II.B.8. (the right to
> join the Ordo Equester) would also have to be modified, having them come
> into effect on the occasion of one's 17th birthday. (Question; regarding
the
> right of provocatio, should it be perhaps explicitly stated that it can be
> called on a child's behalf by his or her paterfamilias? I shudder at the
> spectacle of a 6 year old bringing a suit in court.)
>
> This way, we have the joy of the pitter-patter of little cives at our
> ever-growing roster of events, and render a definitive statement on the
age
> at which one is granted the right to vote (rather than have it be
dependent
> on variable macronational law).
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Valete,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
>
> "For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such
a
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] What role is there for women in NR? My wife wants to know |
| From: |
qimaster@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 03 Feb 2001 15:42:58 -0000 |
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When she and I discussed my getting involved in a legion and doing
all the fun things that appear to go on at retreats and events, one
question eluded us: what role is there for women folk? I mean, she
can hang out and look darn good in a stola, or she can polish my
helmet.... but what else would there be for her to do?
????
thanks:)
Theodorus Tiberius Germanicus
Hubby of
Tatiana Tiberia Germanicus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] What role is there for women in NR? My wife wants to know |
| From: |
gmvick32@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 03 Feb 2001 09:43:02 -0700 |
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Salve, Tiberius:
Well.....
My unofficial response is she should be able to do all the
things the menfolk might do, including getting involved in a
legion if she wants. Some of our legionnaires might whack
my head off for this, but some might want to already.
She can get involved in any office in Nova Roma, including
taking a role in organizing events if she'd like to. She
can unofficially volunteer to assist any officials on a
catch-as-catch can basis too.
As time rolls forward, we will have more defined activities
for her to join along in. As you and I have talked about
before, especially in America Austroccidentalis, we are all
pioneers right now in establishing the sorts of activities
we want.
So....a question for Tatiana.....what sort of things would
you like to have available?
Livia Marcia Aurelia
qimaster@-------- wrote:
> When she and I discussed my getting involved in a legion
> and doing
> all the fun things that appear to go on at retreats and
> events, one
> question eluded us: what role is there for women folk? I
> mean, she
> can hang out and look darn good in a stola, or she can
> polish my
> helmet.... but what else would there be for her to do?
>
> ????
>
> thanks:)
>
> Theodorus Tiberius Germanicus
>
> Hubby of
>
> Tatiana Tiberia Germanicus
>
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] What role is there for women in NR? My wife wants to know |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 3 Feb 2001 11:12:40 -0800 |
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Salve Theodore Tiberi Germanice!
The short answer is....just about anything she wants!
Other than maybe a very small handful of priestly offices,
most anything is open to her including public offices,
participations in the various Sodalitas, the Religio,
etc. My wife for example is serving as Libraria for
the Sodalitas Musarum. Tatiana's personal interests
are really the major deciding factor. I'm sure any
of us would be more than happy to help direct her
to some things she might be interested in. Just let
us know!
Bene vale,
-Oppius
-----Original Message-----
From: qimaster@-------- [mailto:qimaster@--------]
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 7:43 AM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] What role is there for women in NR? My wife wants to
know
When she and I discussed my getting involved in a legion and doing
all the fun things that appear to go on at retreats and events, one
question eluded us: what role is there for women folk? I mean, she
can hang out and look darn good in a stola, or she can polish my
helmet.... but what else would there be for her to do?
????
thanks:)
Theodorus Tiberius Germanicus
Hubby of
Tatiana Tiberia Germanicus
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Comitia Populi Vote Results |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 3 Feb 2001 15:34:10 -0500 |
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Fl Vedius Germanicus novaromanis S.P.D.,
The Quaestores have provided the results of the voting and election recently
conducted by the people assembled in their respective tribes, in the Comitia
Populi Tributa. My heartfelt thanks to the Quaestores for their hard work in
handling two elections concurrently, and to those individuals who stood for
office to serve our Republic.
The results are as follows:
In the election for Curator Differium, Helena Galeria won 17 tribes,
Vespasia Pollia won 7 tribes, 7 tribes tied. Helena Galeria wins.
In the election for Quaestor, Quintus Sertorius won 10 tribes, Piperbarbus
Ullerius Venator won 7 tribes, Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato won 2 tribes,
Servius Cornelius Cato won 1 tribe, and 12 tribes tied. Quintus Sertorius
and Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator win.
In the vote regarding the Lex Minucia de Rogatoribus, 32 tribes voted in
favor, 0 tribes voted against, 1 tribe tied. The lex is adopted.
In the vote regarding the Lex Vedia de Magistratum Aetate, 27 tribes voted
in favor, 2 tribes voted against, 4 tribes tied. The lex is adopted.
In the vote regarding the Lex Vedia de Ratione Automata, 33 tribes voted in
favor, 0 tribes voted against, 0 tribes tied. The lex is adopted.
In the vote regarding the Lex Vedia de Civitatis Petitionibus inter
Suffragia, 31 tribes voted in favor, 1 tribe voted against, 1 tribe tied.
The lex is adopted.
In the vote regarding the Lex Vedia de Ratione Edictium, 31 tribes voted in
favor, 1 tribe voted against, 1 tribe abstained. The lex is adopted.
My congrulations to the winners and condolences to those who did not win.
Thanks to the Gods for their guidance, and thanks also to all those who
voted, proving once more that the institutions of our res publica are
strong.
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Maiestitia |
| From: |
"Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:59:29 -0000 |
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Salutem
On behalf of Aletheia Moravia, as well as on that of my own, I give heartfelt thanks to all those of you, too numerous to metion here, who offered us your condolences and comfort, both publicly and privately, on the passing of Aletheia's father. The messages are all being forwarded to Aletheia (who has no e-mail at present), and all will be replied to individually in due course. Until then, thank you.
There is much to do, Aletheia is in the family home up North doing it now, and I shall follow to help when I can. I shall be with you again soon, until I go to join Aletheia for a while. As Cato said: "Work makes a callus against grief." (I seem to remember that was the first Roman proverb I ever learned, and it's a good one, too).
If you would lessen your grief on occasions such as this when your turn comes, friends and fellow-citizens, never wait until someone is dead before you express your appreciation of their quality to them.
Bene valete
N. Moravius Vado.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Congratulations :) |
| From: |
"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 03 Feb 2001 21:17:19 -0000 |
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Salvete Omnes!!
My sincere congratulations to Quintus Sertorius and Piperbarbus Ullerius
Venator on their election as Quaestors of Nova Roma.
Also, I would like to congratulate Helena Galeria on her election as
Curatrix Differium.
All by best to you new magistrates as you undertake your new duties.
Bene valete,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Propraetrix, Canada Orientalis
Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: What role is there for women in NR? My wife wants to know |
| From: |
qimaster@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 03 Feb 2001 21:28:03 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, "Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
wrote:
> Salve Theodore Tiberi Germanice!
>
> The short answer is....just about anything she wants!
OK:) Her interests are in martial arts (she has been training and
teaching tai chi chuan for quite a few years), and also in healing
(she has been doing reiki for three years, and energy healing qigong
also [one of my best students]) She is also a seamstress:)
thanks!
TT Germanicus
> Other than maybe a very small handful of priestly offices,
> most anything is open to her including public offices,
> participations in the various Sodalitas, the Religio,
> etc. My wife for example is serving as Libraria for
> the Sodalitas Musarum. Tatiana's personal interests
> are really the major deciding factor. I'm sure any
> of us would be more than happy to help direct her
> to some things she might be interested in. Just let
> us know!
>
> Bene vale,
> -Oppius
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: qimaster@-------- [mailto:qimaster@--------]
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 7:43 AM
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] What role is there for women in NR? My wife
wants to
> know
>
>
> When she and I discussed my getting involved in a legion and doing
> all the fun things that appear to go on at retreats and events, one
> question eluded us: what role is there for women folk? I mean, she
> can hang out and look darn good in a stola, or she can polish my
> helmet.... but what else would there be for her to do?
>
> ????
>
> thanks:)
>
> Theodorus Tiberius Germanicus
>
> Hubby of
>
> Tatiana Tiberia Germanicus
>
>
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] What role is there for women in NR? My wife wants to know |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 3 Feb 2001 17:44:16 -0500 |
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Salvete;
Well, there are two ways to answer this. One the one hand, as a couple of
folks have already mentioned, all doors are open to Tatiana in terms of
participating in Nova Roma on a national level. Politics, sodalica, and
almost all of the priesthoods are completely open to women.
But I think you're asking more about real-world meetings (possibly because
I've had such on my mind lately), and here we are really exploring new
territory. From the standpoint of strict historical reconstruction, dressing
up as a soldier in a reenactment legion might not be appropriate. (I know of
some legions who don't let their members wear eyeglasses when in kit,
because it detracts from the historicity! On the other hand, I know others
that aren't nearly so strict, so it might not be an issue. YMMV.) Even then,
many legions have a section for civilian "camp followers" to give the women
and children a role in the event.
But in terms of Nova Roma events (which aren't limited to reenactment
legion-type stuff), I would say that anything goes. Here are some ideas that
would be appropriate for both men and women (and doubtless others can come
up with tons more):
* Cooking/Brewing
* Putting on a Roman play
* Costuming (could even turn this into a business venture and sell things
in the Macellum!)
* Gladiatorial games (women did indeed compete, usually against each
other)
* Host a convivium (feast)
* Poetry readings
* Literature discussions
* And of course any political/ administrative jobs in a local chapter
I'm hoping to add greatly to this list on the 18th, when the Civium
Boreocaesarium has its first organizational meeting. Anybody else have any
ideas about real-world activities for women and men?
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
"For Graccus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
bad one." (Crassus, in the film "Spartacus")
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: qimaster@-------- [mailto:qimaster@--------]
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 10:43 AM
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] What role is there for women in NR? My wife wants to
> know
>
>
> When she and I discussed my getting involved in a legion and doing
> all the fun things that appear to go on at retreats and events, one
> question eluded us: what role is there for women folk? I mean, she
> can hang out and look darn good in a stola, or she can polish my
> helmet.... but what else would there be for her to do?
>
> ????
>
> thanks:)
>
> Theodorus Tiberius Germanicus
>
> Hubby of
>
> Tatiana Tiberia Germanicus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Maestitia |
| From: |
Christer Edling <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 4 Feb 2001 00:40:55 +0100 |
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>N. Moravius Quiritibus Novae Romae salutem dat
>
>Early this evening, Aletheia Moravia's father died suddenly in hospital,
>two days after a serious but apparently succesful operation. Please excuse
>my silent absence for a little while hereafter.
>
>He had a great regard for the Roman army, as the progenitor of the army he
>knew and loved. He served in one of its finest units, commanding his first
>turma in Deva and returning to Britannia to command his last cohort in
>Cataractorum.
>
>None of you knew him, but I am sure many of you have known men of his
>quality. I humbly ask that any of you who have respect for such, and what
>their service stands for, to spare a prayer for the spirit of Major Derek
>Gordon Hughes, and those of us who are feeling that the world is
>diminished by his departing.
>
>Vale
>
>Vado.
Salve!
I too want to offer You, your wife and family my sincere condolences in
these sad times and I respectfully salute Major Derek Gordon Hughes!
Vale
Christer Edling
alias
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Assensus to Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus
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