| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] recent vote tallies question? |
| From: |
asseri@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:39:42 EST |
|
In a message dated 2/3/01 3:42:06 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
germanicus@-------- writes:
> The call to vote is in the archives, #17947 (dated 1/18). The post where
> they halted the vote on the plebiscita, but continued it on the candidates
> for office, is #18019 (dated 1/20).
>
> You should indeed be mindful of votes. But they need not be announced
> outside of the main list (or the web site, or other public venues, as
> defined by law). The Tribunes did everything they were supposed to do, and
> no blame should be assigned to them.
>
>
Salve,
I did try to vote that I remember because I inquired as to why
there was nothing on the site. But I never saw the one putting it back up.
Oh well and beside I was only asking not blaming anyone. I also would
like to ask ,"does that mean that none of tribe 22 voted as well?"
Perhaps watching out for each other is way for us to get to know each
better.
"There is no ill in the world that some good can not come of it."
Pax
P.a. Olivia
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] What role is there for women in NR? My wife wants to know |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 3 Feb 2001 18:31:49 -0800 (PST) |
|
SalveteIn Roma Antiquita there was one remarkable woman who played a very active part in the legions. Fulvia assumed the role of a general after starting a revolt against Octavian and led the attack on Praenste. See http://filebox.vt.edu/users/sroark/ful.htmlfor the story of the woman who was not only Roma's first woman general, but who also dominated her brother-in-law, Lucius Antonius, to the point that Cassius Dio called her one of the Consuls for 41 BCE.ValteLucius Sicinius Drusus--- Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:> Salvete;> > Well, there are two ways to answer this. One the one> hand, as a couple of> folks have already mentioned, all doors are open to> Tatiana in terms of> participating in Nova Roma on a national level.> Politics, sodalica, and> almost all of the priesthoods are completely open to> women.> > But I think you're asking more about real-world> meetings (possibly because> I've had such on my mind lately), and here we are> really exploring new> territory. From the standpoint of strict historical> reconstruction, dressing> up as a soldier in a reenactment legion might not be> appropriate. (I know of> some legions who don't let their members wear> eyeglasses when in kit,> because it detracts from the historicity! On the> other hand, I know others> that aren't nearly so strict, so it might not be an> issue. YMMV.) Even then,> many legions have a section for civilian "camp> followers" to give the women> and children a role in the event.> > But in terms of Nova Roma events (which aren't> limited to reenactment> legion-type stuff), I would say that anything goes.> Here are some ideas that> would be appropriate for both men and women (and> doubtless others can come> up with tons more):> > * Cooking/Brewing> * Putting on a Roman play> * Costuming (could even turn this into a business> venture and sell things> in the Macellum!)> * Gladiatorial games (women did indeed compete,> usually against each> other)> * Host a convivium (feast)> * Poetry readings> * Literature discussions> * And of course any political/ administrative jobs> in a local chapter> > I'm hoping to add greatly to this list on the 18th,> when the Civium> Boreocaesarium has its first organizational meeting.> Anybody else have any> ideas about real-world activities for women and men?> > Valete,> > Flavius Vedius Germanicus,> Consul> > "For Graccus, hatred of the Patrician class is a> profession, and not such a> bad one." (Crassus, in the film "Spartacus")> > email: germanicus@--------> AIM: Flavius Vedius> ICQ: 106199729> www: http://mediatlantica.--------> > > -----Original Message-----> > From: qimaster@hotmail.com> [mailto:qimaster@hotmail.com]> > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 10:43 AM> > To: novaroma@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [novaroma] What role is there for women> in NR? My wife wants to> > know> >> >> > When she and I discussed my getting involved in a> legion and doing> > all the fun things that appear to go on at> retreats and events, one> > question eluded us: what role is there for women> folk? I mean, she> > can hang out and look darn good in a stola, or she> can polish my> > helmet.... but what else would there be for her to> do?> >> > ????> >> > thanks:)> >> > Theodorus Tiberius Germanicus> >> > Hubby of> >> > Tatiana Tiberia Germanicus> >
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Things to Do in Nova Roma |
| From: |
"Pompeia Cornelia" <trog99@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 03 Feb 2001 21:39:20 -0500 |
|
>Salvete Omnibus Nova Roma:
>
>For the benefit of our many new civites, I am reposting this unofficial,
>brief overview of each of the Sodalitates and other Interest groups/mailing
>lists in Nova Roma. I have changed the URLs and Email addies to reflect
>their new ones at Yahoo.
>
>This does not include all of the language email lists in Nova Roma; I shall
>see if I can track that list down. I know citizen Marcus Apollonius
>Formosanus put one together for the Forum a few months ago.
>
>
>
>I have included brief explanations of the mission of these, where they are
>not self explanatory, and membership criteria.
>
>.
>
>______________________________________________________________________
>SODALITATES
>______________________________________________________________________
>Sodalitas pro Coqueror et Coquus "The Society of Cooks and Brewers"
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sodaliscoq_et_coq
>To join: Simply follow the instructions at the URL site and subscribe to
>the mailing list.
>
>______________________________________________________________________
>
>
>Sodalitas Egressus:
>
>This Sodalitas is dedicated to the promotion of Nova Roma and her ideals to
>the world, and to the cultivating of closer friendships with other
>organizations who celebrate Ancient Rome. Open to citizens of Nova Roma.
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Egressus
>
>To Join the Sodalitas: Please write a letter of application (headed
>Application to Join Egressus) to C. Marius Merullus:
>c_marius_m@-------- OR Pompeia Cornelia Strabo:
>scriba_forum@-------- giving your NR citizen name and your provincia
>(or macronational place of residence if you don't know it) You will then be
>subscribed to the list and added to the Membership Roster.
>
>______________________________________________________________________
>
>Sodalitas Latinitas:
>
>This Sodalitas is dedicated to the study, promotion and celebration of the
>Latin Language.
>
>Http://groups.yahoo.com/group/latinitas
>
>To Join the Sodalitas: Subscribe to the mailing list and write a letter of
>application to join the Sodalitas, heading it "I would like to join the
>Sodalitas Latinitas". You will be contacted. Merely subscribing to the
>list is fine but it doesn't automatically confer Sodalitas Membership.
>______________________________________________________________________
>
>Sodalitas Militarium:
>
>Dedicated to the study of Roman Military legions, auxillaries, naval,
>battles, strategies, tactics, engineering and cartography. The Sodalitas
>sponsors approx. 18 reenactment legios. Open to Nova Roma Citizens.
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SodalitasMilitarium
>
>
>To Join the Sodalitas:
>
> Please write a letter of application, headed Application to Join
>Militarium to Militarium@-------- In it please state your NR citizen
>name and your particular interest in the Roman Military. You will then be
>subscribed to the list and added to the membership roster.
>______________________________________________________________________Sodalitas
>Musarum
>
> Dedicated to the Nine Muses and Apollo, this group celebrates the arts
>and sciences that were so integral to Ancient Roman Society, and
>contemporary society.
>
>Http://groups.yahoo.com/group/forthemuses
>
>To Join: Please subscribe to the mailing list as per URL instructions.
>Leave a note on the list stating your wish to join Sodalitas Musarum .
>Further instructions will be sent to you.
>Notae: You may subscribe to FortheMuses list and choose not be an actual
>member of the Sodalitas.
>______________________________________________________________________SPECIAL
>INTEREST EMAIL LISTS
______________________________________________________________________>
>NovaRomaLaws List:
>
>Http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomaLaws
>
> To join: Follow instuctions at the above site
>______________________________________________________________________
>
>NovaRoma Philosophy List
>
>Http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_philosophy
>
>To Join: Follow instructions at the above site
>______________________________________________________________________
>
>Religio Romana List:
>
>Http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ReligioRomana
>
>To Join: Follow instructions at the above site
>
>______________________________________________________________________
>
>
>If I can be of further assistance to you in this regard, please post me.
>
>Bene valete,
>Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
>Propraetrix Canada Orientalis et Sodalitates Member
>Nova Roma
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Sodalitas Munerum |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:24:10 -0500 |
|
Salvete!
For a while, I've had a desire to form a Sodalicum dedicated to the study
and recreation of gladiatorial games and related spectacles. Aside from the
worthiness of pursuing such a study for its own sake, I think it could be a
good "hook", giving us a bit of spectacle for events and a way to have a
non-military reason to put together a Roman gathering that would have a bit
of a public draw.
I'd love to put together a Sodalicum dedicated not only to just researching
and studying gladiatorial combat, but also with the goal of actually putting
such things together in the real world (in a non-injurious manner, of
course!). The details are still way down the road; live steel, latex
weapons, SCA-like PVC pipe, or something completely different? But if anyone
would be interested in participating in something like this (and I already
have more than a few cives interested, whom I've mentioned this to), please
send me an email so we can discuss the details and put together a proper
proposal to the Senate to form a Sodalicum.
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
"For Graccus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
bad one." (Crassus, in the film "Spartacus")
email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
ICQ: 106199729
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Oath as =?iso-8859-1?Q?Qu=E6stor?= |
| From: |
Piparskegg UllRsson <catamount_grange@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 03 Feb 2001 22:27:13 -0600 |
|
Avete Omnes,
I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator (Steven P. Robinson), do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor
of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator, swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses
of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman virtues in public and private life.
I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion
of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator, swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator, further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of
the office of Quaestor to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman
people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Quaestor and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am ready to serve as best I can.
May All of our Holy Ones smile upon our efforts here.
--
===========================================
In Amicus sub Fidelis, Benedicte Omnes!
- Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
Cives, Paterfamilias Gens Ulleria
Quوstor, Legate, Dominus Sodalis
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Sodalitas Munerum |
| From: |
gmvick32@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 03 Feb 2001 22:09:05 -0700 |
|
This sounds great!!! another way for Nova Romans to get
involved....
Livia Marcia Aurelia
Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:
> Salvete!
>
> For a while, I've had a desire to form a Sodalicum
> dedicated to the study
> and recreation of gladiatorial games and related
> spectacles. Aside from the
> worthiness of pursuing such a study for its own sake, I
> think it could be a
> good "hook", giving us a bit of spectacle for events and a
> way to have a
> non-military reason to put together a Roman gathering that
> would have a bit
> of a public draw.
>
> I'd love to put together a Sodalicum dedicated not only to
> just researching
> and studying gladiatorial combat, but also with the goal
> of actually putting
> such things together in the real world (in a non-injurious
> manner, of
> course!). The details are still way down the road; live
> steel, latex
> weapons, SCA-like PVC pipe, or something completely
> different? But if anyone
> would be interested in participating in something like
> this (and I already
> have more than a few cives interested, whom I've mentioned
> this to), please
> send me an email so we can discuss the details and put
> together a proper
> proposal to the Senate to form a Sodalicum.
>
> Valete,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
>
> "For Graccus, hatred of the Patrician class is a
> profession, and not such a
> bad one." (Crassus, in the film "Spartacus")
>
> email: germanicus@--------
> AIM: Flavius Vedius
> ICQ: 106199729
> www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
>
>
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>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Congratulations |
| From: |
"Robert W" <robert@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:58:05 -0500 |
|
Vale: I would like to congratulate Helena Galeria for winning the election for Curator Differium. I would also like to extend congatulations to Quintus Sertorius and Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator for winning the election for Quaestor. Although I ran in this election as well, I feel that I lost to two citizens who will fill these positions with great dedication. They have my support. Congatulations to all! To those who voted for me, thankyou for your support. Perhaps another time, the Gods willing. Vale, ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, ... robert@--------
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] OATH OF OFFICE |
| From: |
"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:53:15 -0600 |
|
3 Feb 2001
OATH OF OFFICE
Salve All
I, Quintus Sertorius ( Nathan Guiboche ), do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor
of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quintus Sertorius ( Nathan Guiboche ), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses
of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman virtues in public and private life.
I, Quintus Sertorius ( Nathan Guiboche ), swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion
of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I,Quintus Sertorius ( Nathan Guiboche ), swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I,Quintus Sertorius ( Nathan Guiboche ), further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of
the office of Quaestor to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman
people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Quaestor and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
Vale
Quintus Sertorius
Quaestor
Nova Roma
Propraetor
Canada Occidentalis
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Future money making proposal |
| From: |
Amulius Equitius <Maximus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:38:11 -0600 |
|
Am. Equitius Germanicus omnibus SPD
I have a proposal for a source of income to the
treasury of Nova Roma. The thought has come to
me that once Nova Roma possesses land, we could use
that land to our advantage. On this land we could
build a farm. Such an idea should not be dismissed.
Many sources use farms as a source of income(Family
farms, Professional farms, Monasteries, etc.).
Rome was begun and sustained on farms. It would not
be a disgrace to Rome but perhaps another form of
its continuation.
Vale
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Age and Citizenship |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:29:45 -0800 |
|
Salvete Quiritibus;
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert W [mailto:robert@--------]
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 9:49 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Age and Citizenship
Salve: I believe that our noble consul Flavius Vedius Germanicus has
put forward an excellent idea for those of us who have children. I know that
in my family there is a thirteen year old and a ten year old both interested
in Ancient Rome and Nova Roma, but who have up until now felt left out by
not being of age for citizenship. If, with their parents permission, they
could be enrolled as citizens, I know that they would not hesitate to apply
to become Nova Romans. I wish to thank our consul Flavius Vedius Germanicus
for bringing this topic up for discussion.
OFS: Me too! Comments below...
Vale, ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
----- Original Message -----
<snipped>
> Fl Vedius Germanicus novaromanis S.P.D.,
>
> The subject of the status of younger persons in Nova Roma has come up
> recently both here and in the Senate. I wanted to open up a new discussion
> on the issue, because I think young people are, and will be, vital to the
> success of our Republic. I've done some more thinking on the subject, and
> some more research, and wanted to share my new thoughts with you all.
> (Please note I am speaking here solely on the question of Citizenship and
> age; the question of magistracies and age is a separate one, for a
separate
> discussion, possibly in connection with the whole Cursus Honorum issue.)
>
OFS: Yes magistracies aside, children at least under 17 should in my
opinion be granted full citizenship. This should of course mimic
the pertinent macronational policies (i.e., what children under
17 or 18 can in fact do legally.)
> As it currently stands, no one can become a Citizen unless they are sui
> juris (of the age of consent) where they live (Constitution, para
II.A.1.).
> The exact age varies from macronation to macronation, but a good rule of
> thumb is 18 years of age. I'm going to use that as shorthand for "sui
juris
> in their domicile" throughout this post.
OFS: I think 18 is a good age target and one that should satisfy the
broadest number of macronational policies. Citizenship should be available
for anyone with a valid birth certificate, subject to the appropriate
macronational restrictions. As you say; citizenship in and of itself should
be independent of the legal ability to serve in office.
>
> Persons under 18 may not apply for Citizenship, but they may (with the
> written permission of their parents or guardians) join gentes
(Constitution,
> para II.A.2.). Such non-Cive gens members are completely the
responsibility
> of the paterfamilias; they can show up at events, but they have no legal
> rights or protections other than those the paterfamilias can and will
> provide. The old Constitution made a similar, if more cumbersome,
provision.
>
> I think this system should be changed. If we're going to put in place a
> system that allows young people a place to participate in our society, we
> need to afford them the same legal protections (and certain appropriate
> rights) as adults. This question has come up in particular because many
> children of adult citizens, it turns out, are to be found listed in our
> Album Civium. They're not legally citizens, but they are members of our
> society, and we make little provision for them in our institutions.
OFS: Gratias multas for considering same. I think most NR cives that
are also parents would welcome these changes. It will provide us with
a core group with which to draw in the future, allow formal opportunities
for apprenticeships, venues for stirring up local interest in the
sub-collegiate
levels, etc., etc.
>
> In Roma Antiqua, children of citizens were themselves citizens (even Paul
> speaks of being "born into citizenship" in the Bible). When one reached
the
> age of 17, one was enrolled as a iuniore on the Census rolls, and could
vote
> and generally assume the other civic responsibilities associated with
> adulthood. I believe that we can, with proper safeguards to satisfy
> macronational legal interests, bring our own system of Citizenship
(relating
> to the age of citizens) closer to that found in Roma Antiqua.
OFS: I agree with the 'born into citizenship' status of Antiqua to
which you refer. Children born of, or adopted to citizens should also
be able to become citizens, period.
>
> My solution would be to change the relevant paragraphs in the Constitution
> to allow Citizenship to anyone regardless of age, with children under 18
> requiring written approval from their parents or (macronational) legal
> guardian. Paragraphs II.B.3. (the right to vote) and II.B.8. (the right to
> join the Ordo Equester) would also have to be modified, having them come
> into effect on the occasion of one's 17th birthday.
OFS: I fully agree with the allowance of citizenship regardless of
age, 18 seems a little safer than 17, to satisfy all the variable
macronational requirements.
(Question; regarding
the
> right of provocatio, should it be perhaps explicitly stated that it can be
> called on a child's behalf by his or her paterfamilias? I shudder at the
> spectacle of a 6 year old bringing a suit in court.)
OFS: Absolutely. As making changes this significant would seemingly
require the codification of an entirely new legal structure to deal with
'children,'
and a reasonably granular accompanying civil code, these laws would do well
to be
written with our core familial structures in mind. Paterfamilias should
still be the agent for support of the child's rights in all civil
legal matters. (I don't want my 2 year old suing anyone directly :-)
>
> This way, we have the joy of the pitter-patter of little cives at our
> ever-growing roster of events, and render a definitive statement on the
age
> at which one is granted the right to vote (rather than have it be
dependent
> on variable macronational law).
OFS: Sounds great!
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Valete,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
>
> "For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such
a
> bad one." (Crassus in the film "Spartacus")
>
> email: germanicus@--------
> AIM: Flavius Vedius
> www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Re: What role is there for women in NR? My wife wants to know |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:59:11 -0800 |
|
Salve Theodore Tiberi et Tatiana Tiberia!
Comments below...
-----Original Message-----
From: qimaster@-------- [mailto:qimaster@--------]
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 1:28 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Re: What role is there for women in NR? My wife wants to
know
--- In novaroma@--------, "Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
wrote:
> Salve Theodore Tiberi Germanice!
>
> The short answer is....just about anything she wants!
OK:) Her interests are in martial arts (she has been training and
teaching tai chi chuan for quite a few years), and also in healing
(she has been doing reiki for three years, and energy healing qigong
also [one of my best students])
OFS: Well, honestly Consul Germanice et Pompeia have answered
pretty thoroughly and there's not a whole lot else to add. I'd emphasize
that with the seamstress skills, there can always be applications
for creating Roman clothing or perhaps military apparatus. Though
we currently have a few cives in the Macellum, undoubtedly there
are some additional creations that she could make and sell there.
Also, you emphasize the healing arts. Perhaps there's an application
here in the Religio? (If the Religio is not your chosen path, then
please disregard.) If there is an interest here though, I'd encourage
you to subscribe to the 'ReligioRomana@--------' list, or mail
me personally for further details. There is also the Pontifical alias
(pontifices@--------)
There are also opportunities for organizing local groups within
your province, working on recruiting ventures, etc.
To build on some of these foundations, I'd encourage Tatiana to take
a look around at the various options, look at some of the posts within
the groups that might interest her, talk to some of the cives directly
if possible and go from there. Most of us subscribe to one or more
chat venues. If you want to discuss further, please feel free to mail
me directly or any of other cives in groups that are of interest.
Bene vale,
Oppius Flaccus Severus
Sacerdos Neptunus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Basilica - Legal |
| From: |
lsicinius@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 04 Feb 2001 07:05:53 -0000 |
|
Salvete,
A Legal problem has come up with the Basilica project. I intended to
have a user interface for Macs that looked like a native Mac program,
however the legal department at Apple is threating lawsuits against
people who make themes that look like a Mac UI. Since it's possible to
transfer a Basilica UI designed for a Mac to a Windows or a Linux
based computer this means a possible law suit. Since I don't wish to
get sued, and I assume that Nova Roma dosen't want to get sued, There
will NOT be a Mac based UI for Basilica. The Mac version will use the
same interface as Windows and Linux. Personaly I think Apple's claims
that they own the look of the Mac UI (opposed to using images that are
copyrighted) are pure BS, but the American legal system operates on
the golden rule. "Those who have the Gold, Rule". Apple has a lot of gold!
On the brighter side in about a week, if Fortuna smiles on them,
Mozilla 0.8 will be released. I will have a Pre-Beta of the User
interface ready within a day or two of the release. It will be a
Mozilla theme. Themes are real easy to install in Mozilla and
Basilica. All you have to do is click on a link, and a Java based
installer downloads the file and adds the theme to the list of themes
you can switch to. There is a point of copyright law that will have to
be addressed with the theme. It uses the Nova Roma flag as the
throbber (The logo in the top right corner). Since this is a trademark
of Nova Roma, I'll need permission to distribute the image as part of
the Basilica Theme for Mozilla. The theme will be released under the
Mozilla Public License, which contains clauses that exempt trademarked
images from becoming part of the open sourced data. the license is
avaible at
http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/MPL-1.1.html
Valte
Lucius Sicinius Drusus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Congratulations! |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:06:34 -0800 |
|
Salvete Quiritibus;
I want to send thanks, or a big GRATIAS MULTAS to all the candidates
that took the time and made the sacrifices necessary to run for office in
our great Respublica.
Hearty congratulations to Quintus Sertorius et Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
et Helena Galeria on your election! Nova Roma cannot help but succeed and
prosper with such eminently capable guidance.
Bene valete,
Oppius Flaccus Severus
Sacerdos Neptunus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Congratulations |
| From: |
Christer Edling <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 4 Feb 2001 11:31:36 +0100 |
|
Salvete Omnes;
Congratulations to Quintus Sertorius and Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator and
Helena Galeria on your election! I am sure that Nova Roma will prosper even
more because of your dedication and work!
Vale
Christer Edling
alias
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Assensus to Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus
cives Provinia Thule
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Age and Citizenship |
| From: |
Piparskegg UllRsson <catamount_grange@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 04 Feb 2001 08:16:18 -0600 |
|
Ave,
One thing I don't recall being address in this proposal, with which I agree BTW: There does exist a
special class of minors, at least under many jurisdictions in the US, the "emancipated minor." Just
to make a point that there may be exceptions to the age of majority under Macronational laws.
As I mentioned, I am in favor of expanding the privilege of Citizenship to younger people who wish
to become part of what we are building here.
Having a bunch of 40 somethings like me interested in this Micronation of ours is well and good, but
I am not a building block for the future, I am only part of the foundation.
وووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووو
In amicitia - Venii
The Gens Ulleria webpage :
http://homestead.deja.com/user.gens_ulleria/domus_ulleria.html
The Lacus Magni Provincial list :
http://www.egroups.com/group/GreatLakesNovaRoma
The Nova Roma Brewing and Cooking group:
http://www.egroups.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq
Venii's Heathen page :
http://www.geocities.com/piparskegg/index.html
Homines est! Dici omnes! Soylens viridis HOMINES EST!
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Rogatores |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 4 Feb 2001 12:02:59 -0500 |
|
Fl Vedius Germanicus novaromanis S.P.D.,
Now that the Lex Minucia de Rogatoribus has passed the Comitia Populi, the
number of Rogatores has increased from two to four. Naturally, this means
that two new Rogatores must now be elected, and this needs to be done by the
beginning of March.
The Rogatores are in charge of the voting process; they count the votes, and
report the results to the appropriate magistrates. The process has in the
past been quite tedious, but I understand that there is now a vote-tallying
program that automates the process and makes it much easier. One drawback;
because they count the votes, Rogatores cannot run for office themselves.
Any cives who wish to stand for the office of Rogatorus should let the
Consuls know as early as possible, by emailing us at consuls@--------
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
"For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
bad one." (Crassus in the film "Spartacus")
email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 1215 |
| From: |
"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 4 Feb 2001 12:20:00 -0500 |
|
Avete Omnes,
I, Helena Galeria Aureliana (Cheri Henderson), do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor
of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the
Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Helena Galeria Aureliana, swear to honor
the Gods and Goddesses
of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman virtues in public and
private life.
I, Helena Galeria Aureliana, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana
as the State Religion
of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status
as the State Religion.
I, Helena Galeria Aureliana, swear to protect and defend the Constitution of
Nova Roma.
I, Helena Galeria Aureliana, further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of
the office of Curator Differium to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman
people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Curator
Differium and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
Valete
Helena Galeria
(May my patron Goddess, Sulis Minerva, as well as all the Gods, aid me in my
efforts)
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Oath of Office |
| From: |
"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 4 Feb 2001 06:12:16 +0100 |
|
M. Apollonius Formosanus Civibus Plebeiis omnibus, atque Quritibus
omnium Ordinum Salutem Plurimam Dicit.
Textus Latinus:
Ego Marcus Apollonius Formosanus, interdum notus sub nominibus Bradio
Vilcensio Mauro III et Brady W. Moore III, iuro religiose hoc iure
iurando me sustenturum esse Novae Romae honestatem et me semper
gesturum pro Populi Senatusque Novae Romae causa.
Ego magistratus Novae Romae Marcus Apollonius Formosanus iuro me
honoraturum esse deos deasque Romae in rebus publicis atque
exerciturum virtutes Romanas in vitis meis publica et privata.
Ego Marcus Apollonius Formosanus iuro me religionem Romanam
defensurum esse ut Novae Romae religionem publicam, ac numquam me
gesturum ita ut eius statum publicum in periculum vocarem.
Ego Marcus Apollonius Formosanus iuro me protecturum esse
defensurumque Novae Romae Legem Fundamentalem.
Ego Marcus Apollonius Formosanus praeterea iuro me fungiturum esse
officia et muneribus aediliciis plebeiis pro summis viribus.
Per meum civis Novoromani honorem et coram deis deabusque populi
Romani, et eorum voluntate favoreque hoc munus aedilicium plebeium
cum omnibus iuribus, privilegiis, officiis et muneribus ad eum
pertinentibus suscipio.
Ita me di ament.
___________________________
Versio Anglica:
I, Marcus Apollonius Formosanus, also known as Bradius Vilcensius
Maurus III and Brady W. Moore III, do hereby solemnly swear to uphold
the honour of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of
the People and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma I, Marcus Apollonius Formosanus, swear
to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Marcus Apollonius Formosanus, swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Marcus Apollonius Formosanus, swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Marcus Apollonius Formosanus, further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Plebeian Aedile to
the best of my abilities.
On my honour as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favour,
do I accept the position of Plebeian Aedile and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
VIVAT NOVA ROMA SEMPER LIBERA ET IUSTA!
Marcus Apollonius Formosanus, Aedilis Plebeius Novae Romae
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae (http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/)
Moderator et Praeceptor Sodalitatis Latinitatis; Scriba Censorius;
Musaeus Collegii Polyhymniae Sodalitatis Musarum
ICQ# 61698049 AIM: MAFormosanus MSN: Formosanus
Civis Novae Romae in Silesia, Polonia
Minervium Virtuale: http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/Minervium.htm
The Gens Apollonia is open to new members.
Ave nostra Respublica Libera - Nova Roma!
________________________________________
Si vis omnia tibi subicere, te subice Rationi. (Seneca)
(Se vi deziras subigi al vi chion, subigu vin al Racio)
________________________________________
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Gratias Ago |
| From: |
"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:22:37 +0100 |
|
M. Apollonius Formosanus omnibus Civibus Plebeianis et Quiritibus
omnium Ordinum S.P.D.
Having taken my oath of office as Plebeian Aedile, I wish to thank
all of those plebeians who supported me, and by implication the
ideals for which I intend to work as expressed in the Amici
Dignitatis Statement of which I am a signatory.
I also wish to thank my opponent for conducting a clean campaign,
free of that rancour and misleading rhetoric that has been seen among
us too often. He presented some good ideas with respect to local
organisation in the context of his campaign, and as those things are
perhaps not especially bound to being an aedile, I hope that he will
continue to work towards them in a private capacity. The labours and
initiatives of simple citizens will be becoming ever more valuable as
the magistracies become full and start working to their ever finite
capacity.
My first priority as a Plebeian Aedile is to work for the Plebs, and
I believe that for the most part that can best be done by working for
all the citizens of Nova Roma, whether patrician or plebeian. We all
have the same natural interest in having our human and civil rights
protected, so that no one need fear arbitrary decisions from any
magistrate or select group, but can expect our legal system and our
balance of power between patricians and plebeians to give us personal
security.
I also shall be concerned with ensuring the multi-cultural and
multi-lingual character of our Respublica within the context of our
shared Romanitas and aspirations towards Latinitas. With the
blossoming of interest in Nova Roma in Europe and Latin America, Nova
Roma is no longer a simply North American and Anglophone phenomenon,
and it must expand its horizons accordingly so that all Novi Romani
can feel fully at home here.
I might mention that I have also been invited by our Consul F.
Vedius Germanicus to work with him and the other Aediles towards his
concept of "RubiCon", and insofar as I can contribute to this labour,
I intend to do so.
I look forward especially to working with my fellow Plebeian Aedile
M. Arminius Maior, with whom I have long had cordial relations.
Again, I thank you for your support and trust.
Valete et valeat Nova Roma!
Marcus Apollonius Formosanus, Aedilis Plebeius Novae Romae
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae (http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/)
Moderator et Praeceptor Sodalitatis Latinitatis; Scriba Censorius;
Musaeus Collegii Polyhymniae Sodalitatis Musarum
ICQ# 61698049 AIM: MAFormosanus MSN: Formosanus
Civis Novae Romae in Silesia, Polonia
Minervium Virtuale: http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/Minervium.htm
The Gens Apollonia is open to new members.
Ave nostra Respublica Libera - Nova Roma!
________________________________________
Si vis omnia tibi subicere, te subice Rationi. (Seneca)
(Se vi deziras subigi al vi chion, subigu vin al Racio)
________________________________________
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Such Language! |
| From: |
"Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:41:17 -0000 |
|
Quiritibus salutem
Scripsit M. Mucius Scaevola magister:
>Actually, this reaffirmation was a result of the defamatory post by the
>"troll", which contained a couple of lines of untranslated latin, I think,
>though I didn't bother to chase it up, a quote from Juvenal.
Respondeo: Aha! Thank you, Magister! I'd thought the quotation was from Horace's stires, or Martial's. Even so, it was not the troll who quoted, but Theodorus T. Germanicus:
>quod sicca redolet palus lacuna, piscinae vetus aura quod marinae,
>quod pressa piger hircus in capella, mallem (sic) quam quod oles olere,
>appleofius!
>
>Theodorus Tiberius Germanicus
"Appleofius" shouldn't, of course, be in the nominative case unless it read: "olet Appleofius". And I am somewhat confused by the presence of the infinitive "olere". It means the last line doesn't scan properly. Now this is the best I can do with it by way of translation, if anyone's interested:
"As the bottom of a dry ditch stinks, as the ancient smell of fishmongers' tanks, as the lazy he-goat in the slow she-goat, so foully YOU stink, Appleofius!
I would, however, suggest the following emendation, to restore the scansion pattern:
Quod sicca redolet palus lacuna,
Piscinae vetus aura quod marinae,
Quod pressa piger hircus in capella,
Quam malem quod oles, "Deformosane"!
u¬u u¬u ¬uu¬u
u¬u ¬u ¬u u u¬u
u¬u ¬u ¬u u u¬u
u¬u u¬u ¬uu¬u
(Since it was intended to be addressed presumably to the sender, "Deformosanus", not the spurious co-signatory "Appleofius").
By the way, I echo Fl. Vedius Germanicus' sentiments about untranslated passages of foreign
languages on this list, but I'm not sure what constitutes a "foreign" language, nor to whom. I think it would be a sad thing if Latin were considered unsuitable anywhere in NR, but I guess any MINORITY language should be translated here if possible, if only as a courtesy to those who don't understand it - bearing in mind that, while English in one form or another is currently the majority internet language, Spanish or Chinese may one day take over and make Anglophones another minority. This, to my mind, is all the more reason for restoring Latin to its rightful place as the Koine (my preferred oxymoron to 'Lingua Franca'!) of the Respublica.
Bene valete,
Vado.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Gratias Ago (a statement) |
| From: |
sfp55@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 4 Feb 2001 15:17:48 EST |
|
In a message dated 2/4/2001 10:20:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, bvm3@--------
writes:
<< Having taken my oath of office as Plebeian Aedile, I wish to thank
all of those plebeians who supported me, and by implication the
ideals for which I intend to work as expressed in the ...... of which I am a
signatory.
>>
You know, your supreme arrogance baffles the Hades out of me. Why could you
not say: "Having taken my oath of office as Plebeian Aedile, I wish to thank
all of those plebeians who supported me?"
That's all that was needed. No, you have to make political statement as
well.
I am willing to bet a denarii that the reason you were elected was on the
strength of, what we call in the business, "Q" factor or name recognition.
Your voluminous postings have made your name easily recognized on a ballot,
your political leanings
are pretty much irrelevant. Recall that VI tribes had voting problems. Who
knows what the final outcome would have been had they not? Continue to
remember this, and get some humility.
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Salvete Rogatores! |
| From: |
sfp55@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 4 Feb 2001 15:20:22 EST |
|
n a message dated 2/4/2001 4:32:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, it is written:
<< The rogatores have finished tabulating the results of the special
election for aedilis plebis.
Six tribes (1, 5, 22, 23, 24, and 27) failed to cast a valid vote, five
tribes (2, 7, 9, 11, and 19) tied, and one tribe (35) specifically
abstained.>>
Explain if you would what caused in your opinion the invalid voting so we can
fix this problem.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximius
Praetor Urbanus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Congratulations |
| From: |
Lucilla Cornelia Cinna <CorneliaLucilla@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 04 Feb 2001 21:21:57 +0100 |
|
Salvete Quirites atque imprimis magistratus modo electi
My sincere congratulations to my collegae Q. Sertirius and Piperbarbus
Ullerius Venator on their election as Quaestores, M. Apollonius
Formosanus on his election as Aedilis Plebis, and Helena Galeria on her
election as Curator Differum.
My best wishes to all of you.
Bene valete,
Lucilla Cornelia Cinna
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Maestitia |
| From: |
Lucilla Cornelia Cinna <CorneliaLucilla@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 04 Feb 2001 21:25:57 +0100 |
|
Salvete, Aletheia Moravia atque Nicolae Moravi
my sincere condolences to you and your family. May the loss and the
grief be soothed by keeping up the memories and sharing them with your
family and friends.
Bene valete,
Lucilla Cornelia Cinna
Nick Ford wrote:
> N. Moravius Quiritibus Novae Romae salutem dat
>
> Early this evening, Aletheia Moravia's father died suddenly in hospital, two days after a serious but apparently succesful operation. Please excuse my silent absence for a little while hereafter.
>
> He had a great regard for the Roman army, as the progenitor of the army he knew and loved. He served in one of its finest units, commanding his first turma in Deva and returning to Britannia to command his last cohort in Cataractorum.
>
> None of you knew him, but I am sure many of you have known men of his quality. I humbly ask that any of you who have respect for such, and what their service stands for, to spare a prayer for the spirit of Major Derek Gordon Hughes, and those of us who are feeling that the world is diminished by his departing.
>
> Vale
>
> Vado.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Salvete Rogatores! |
| From: |
"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:04:50 -0600 |
|
4 Feb 2001
Salve All
My mother, Rhea Sertoria, tried twice to vote, but both times she made a
mistake. As a member of tribe 27, which failed to cast a valid vote, her
vote would have carried the Tribe..... There would have been a 12 tribe to
12 tribe tie. So close was this margin of victory.
Vale
Quintus Sertorius
Propraetor
Canada Occidentalis
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----- Original Message -----
From: <sfp55@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 2:20 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Salvete Rogatores!
> n a message dated 2/4/2001 4:32:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, it is
written:
>
> << The rogatores have finished tabulating the results of the special
> election for aedilis plebis.
>
> Six tribes (1, 5, 22, 23, 24, and 27) failed to cast a valid vote, five
> tribes (2, 7, 9, 11, and 19) tied, and one tribe (35) specifically
> abstained.>>
> Explain if you would what caused in your opinion the invalid voting so we
can
> fix this problem.
> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximius
> Praetor Urbanus
>
>
>
>
>
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