Forum Romanum


Subject:	[novaroma] Oath Of Office
From:	"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@-------->
Date:	Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:01:12 -0500

Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Novoramanis et civibus Salutem Plurimam Dictit:

According to the Lex Iunia de Iusiurand, I swear the following oath:

I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus (Adrian Gunn) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold
the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
of the people and Senate of Nova Roma.

As Legatus of Massachusetts, I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus (Adrian Gunn) swear
to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus (Adrian Gunn) swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus (Adrian Gunn) swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus (Adrian Gunn) further swear to fulfill
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Legatus of Massachusetts
to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman People and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Legatus of Massachusetts and all the rights,
privileges, obligations and responsibilities attendant thereto.

March 19, in the year of the Consulship of Flavius Vedius Germanicus and
Marcus Cassius Iulianus, 2754 AUC.

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Legatus Of Massachusetts
Pilus Prior, Secunda Cohors
Legio VI Victrix

ICQ#27924742

"Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." - Vegetius


Subject:	R: [novaroma] ATTN [Religio Romana]: ante diem XIV Kalendas Aprilias (March 19)
From:	"Prometheus" <fresco@-------->
Date:	Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:40:53 +0200

-----Messaggio Originale-----
Da: Antonio Grilo <amg@-------->
A: <novaroma@-------->; RELIGIO ROMANA
Data invio: Monday, 19 March, 2001 5:31 PM
Oggetto: [novaroma] ATTN [Religio Romana]: ante diem XIV Kalendas Aprilias
(March 19)

Marcus Prometheus omnibus SPD

Anybody could PLEASE come with a traduction of the hymn?
My latin is not enough!

> Some fragments of the hymn of the Salii (Carmen Saliare) are recorded:
> "divum +empta+ cante,
> divum deo supplicate
> cume tonas, Leucesie,
> prae tet tremonti
> +quot+ ibet etinei de is cum tonarem
> cozeulodorieso. omnia vero adpatula coemisse.
> ian cusianes duonus ceruses dunus Ianusve
> vet pom melios eum recum"

> Valete bene in pace deorum
> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
> Pontifex

Thanks to the pontiff for his Calendar,
and thanks in advance to whoever will work at the translation or resarch
one.

VALETE
Marcus Prometheus.


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Oath Of Office
From:	Kristoffer From <kristoffer.from@-------->
Date:	Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:01:26 +0100

Salve, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus.

Well spoken, and eloquently put. I am certain your term as a legate will
be a memorable experience, and I wish you the best of luck in your new
office. Much honor to you and your gens.

Vale,

Titus Octavius Pius,
cives Thuleus

AKA Kristoffer From

---

Si hoc signum legere potes,
operis boni in rebus latinis alacribus
et fructuosis potiri potes.

- Not-so-famous quotation


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Documents of Citizenship
From:	"Robert W" <robert@-------->
Date:	Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:28:10 -0500

Salve Margali: Thankyou for your reply to my suggestion. And welcome to your
new home in Nova Roma. I hope you find it possible to get the feeling that
you are part of a growing, living community of like-minded people who all
share a love and respect for the best things that Rome represented and gave
to the world. As with any society of people, we have our good times, and bad
times. Our ups and downs, as has certainly been evident in the past little
while. This is part of life, and we learn to live with both the happiness,
and with the saddness. I invite you to read the Virtues page of the Nova
Roma main site. These are what I try to live by, and I would hope all
citizens try to live by. Welcome Margali, and best wishes.
May the Gods and Goddesses bless Nova Roma, ... Appius Tullius
Marcellus Cato, civis Novae Romae et Rogator.
----- Original Message -----
From: "margali" <margali@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Documents of Citizenship

> As a brand new Citizen, I applaud the idea! I vaguely remember reading
> that manumitted slaves and men getting out of the army had certificates,
> so it makes sense that there might have been some sort of writ for newly
> made adult citizens. There might even be some remaining that can be
> cribbed for format.
> Hyapatia Asinia called Margali
>
> --
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> MarilynTraber@--------
> HTTP://WWW.FictionForest.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> The Quote Starts Here:
> An "Official Certificate of Nova Roman Citizenship" or
> something similar, framed and hanging on their wall at home perhaps,
> would be a
> constant reminder that as a citizen of Nova Roma, they have certain
> rights and
> obligations that go along with citizenship.
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Document of Citizenship
From:	"Robert W" <robert@-------->
Date:	Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:39:05 -0500

Salve Pontii Sejani: Thankyou for your support on this suggestion. I hope
that someone will "pick up the ball and run with it", as I have never done
anything like this. I don't have the experience, but would help where
possible. All I have done is throw the idea into the arena. Seeing as how
we are a nation, with close to eight hundred citizens and growing larger
every day, I believe strongly that this is something that is truly needed.
Vale, Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, Rogator
----- Original Message -----
From: <V_Praetoria@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 7:07 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Document of Citizenship

> I agree with Flavius. The idea of a "certificate" is great. I had
> toyed with that idea for the RHS, but more as a membership idea. But
> for Nova Roma, thats a great idea. I whole heartedly support it.
>
> Pontius Sejanus Marius
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Call for Governors II
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:40:01 -0500

Flavius Vedius Germanicus novaromanis S.P.D.

Thus far, the following individuals have put their names forward as
candidates to fill vacant provincial governorships (if I have forgotten
anyone, please contact me privately so I can add your name to the list for
presentation to the Senate):

* America Austroccidentalis (Southwest United States): Pontius Sejanus
Marius
* America Austrorientalis (Southeast United States): none
* Australia: Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura
Marcus Arcadius Pius
* Britannia (Great Britain): none
* Hispania (Spain): Claudius Salix Davianus
* Italia (Italy): none
* Mexico: none
* Sarmatia (Russia): none
* Thule (Denmark/Sweden/Norway/Finland): Titus Curius Dannicus

If any Citizens in these provinces would like to be considered by the Senate
for one of these governorships, please let the consuls know via private
email (consuls@--------). Even if someone else has stepped forward, if
you feel you have the qualifications for the job, don't hesitate to
volunteer. The next Senate vote could now be sometime next week, but
candidates may present themselves to fill vacancies at any time.

Interested individuals are requested to view the Senatus Consultum de
Propraetores (http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/sen00020601.htm) to
determine if they fulfill the minimum standards for appointment as
propraetor.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul


Subject:	[novaroma] New Britannia Provincia List
From:	cassius622@--------
Date:	Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:57:22 EST

Salvete,

A new official Email list has been created for the Britannia Provincia.

The homepage for the list is:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BritanniaProvincia

To join the list, simply send a blank email to:
BritanniaProvincia-subscribe@--------

Citizens of Britannia are invited to join this new list. The Praetorship of
the Britannia Province will be available shortly, and this forum will be
invaluable for Provincia community and administration.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Consul

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] New Citizen!
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:04:05 -0000

Salvete Aquitanius et alii:

Aquitani, I am so happy you have formally received citizenship. Ave!
I was wondering how your feast went; sounds like it went just fine......!!

Again, welcome, and hope to see you in one of the Tavernas soon.

Pompeia Cornelia
(who is from Aquitanius' neck of the woods!)

>From: J O <romalist@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] New Citizen!
>Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:02:20 -0800 (PST)
>
> Ave Nova Roma! I am proud to announce that on
>this, the day before the Quinquatrus, I am now a
>citizen of this fascinating organization! I have been
>known as 'Observerus' on the old NR chat room but from
>now on will be 'Aquitanius' in keeping with my citizen
>name. The recent resignations by many citizens has
>been unfortunate for Nova Roma but as long as citizens
>continue to join and are involved, it shall prosper as
>human variety will always make sure that there are
>people interested in Nova Roma's politics, artistic
>endeavors, re-creations, religio and all other
>aspects.
>I greatly thank the administration of Nova Roma for
>this privilege!
>
>Valete!
>
>P.S. The feast I held was a total success, all my
>guests loved it and no vomitorium was required!
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Fwd: A Precarious Pedicament
From:	"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@-------->
Date:	Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:24:32 -0500

Salvete

Okay, here's my stab at this little riddle:

THAT, THAT IS, IS THAT THAT IS.
NOT IS NOT.
THAT, THAT IS, IS.
IS NOT IS NOT THAT, THAT IS.
IS THAT NOT SO?

4 commas
4 periods
1 question mark

:)

Valete
Helena Galeria


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Documents of Citizenship
From:	"Robert W" <robert@-------->
Date:	Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:33:54 -0500

Salve Oppii Flacci: Thankyou for your reply and support. Have you read the
suggestions of our noble Consul, Flavius Vedius Germanicus? I must be honest
however, and let you know that I know nothing about using Adobe Acrobat or
anything similar.
In an attempt to help Nova Roma, I resurrected an idea that I had raised
about two years ago. It seems to have received much more support this time
around. What I am hoping, is that someone with design talent, and knowledge
perhaps of actual documents of this type and their design, will come forward
to volunteer their services to Nova Roma for this project. If there is any
way that I may be of some help in this, I hope that I may do so. However, my
talents on the computer are limited. I hope that Senator Octavius, and the
Censores have been reading their mail, and are following this. Again, I
would direct you to Consul Favius Vedius's E-mail, and his suggestions on
this subject. Again, If I can be of any assistance, or if you have any ideas
an how I can carry this further, please let me know. Thankyou Oppius
Flaccus, ... Ave atque vale, ...
Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, .. civis Novae Romae et Rogator
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] Re: Documents of Citizenship

> Salvete Rogator Tulli et Quiritibus;
>
> I too, join Helena in stating that this is in fact an excellent idea.
> Though I'd not want to volunteer anyone, we have at least one
> or two excellent graphic artists in our midst that could do something
> really exciting with logos or some sort of embossed document
> background.
>
> Personally, I'm a huge believer in everything we can do to make
> our membership seem more worthwhile to those who might otherwise
> take it casually and something akin to 'citizenship papers' are a nice
> inexpensive and meaningful way of doing this.
>
> Perhaps as a step in the Censorial approval process, a step could be
> added to export the new civis name and citizenship number into a
> textual form, which could be exported or converted to a nice Acrobat
> document.
>
> So Appi Tulli, I would be happy to work with you and anyone else on
> such a project. I can volunteer the services of my copy of Adobe Acrobat
> for doing some test designs and so forth. I think though that we would
> need some additional input from Senator Octavius and the Censores
> on this, as it seems likely that such a document would be generated
> at the time of approval. (Or, I suppose it could likewise be generated
from
> a Paterfamilias in the cases where a new citizen was joining an existing
> gens.) Since we already have over 700 cives that would need a copy of
> the citizenship document (if this were to be made official,) maybe a small
> committee of project-level scriba to help generate the PDF files for the
> extant citizens. -Just a thought.
>
> If I can be of help in such an endeavor, please do not hesitate to contact
> me. Will be happy to try a test batch and doing some bulk import/export
> stuff to see what we can put together.
>
> Bene valete,
> Oppius Flaccus Severus
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert W [mailto:robert@--------]
> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 9:45 AM
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Documents of Citizenship
>
>
> Salve Helena Galeria: Thankyou for your reply. I made this suggestion at
> least two years ago and nothing was done. I have offered the idea again,
> hoping that someone who knows how to put something like that together
would
> like to tackle it. I am happy to see that you support the idea. So far,
you
> are the only one to have commented on it. Thankyou for supporting me on
the
> suggestion. I hope more people give this some serious thought.
> Ave atque vale, ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, ... civis Novae
> Romae et Rogatorus
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@-------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:56 PM
> Subject: [novaroma] Re: Documents of Citizenship
>
>
> > Salvete
> >
> > I think this a wonderful idea. I agree that the more tangible, physical
> > ties to Nova Roma, the more 'real' citizenship becomes. Symbols have a
> > great deal of power psychologically.
> >
> > Valete,
> > Helena Galeria
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Subject:	[novaroma] Goings-on in Mediatlantica
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:32:12 -0500

Salvete!

Just wanted to let people know we've got a full schedule of events in the
Mediatlantica Provincia through Roman Days in June. The full listing can be
found on the provincial website at http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org but
here are some highlights:

* First Friday of each month... Movie Night in Civitas Boreocaesarium
(Northern NJ Community). Upcoming films include Ben Hur, Life of Brian, and
Spartacus!

* Last Saturday of each month... Monthly Meeting of Civitas Boreocaesarium
(Northern NJ Community). Get together for good burgers, good talk, and good
friends. We might even get a little business done.

* Quarterly... "Romans on the Green". A weekend lunch meeting in New York
City's "Little Italy". You can't beat the food, and the fellowship is worth
the trip into the City.

* Starting Soon... Gladiator Practice at Ludus Vedia. More details as they
become available!

* And of course, June 9-10th... "Roman Days" sponsored by Legio XX. Let's
make this the most-well-attended Roman Days yet! For those passing through
New Jersey-- a lunch stop and caravan is planned on Friday June 8th. Let's
all show up together!

If you live in the Mediatlantica Provincia and would like to put on an
event, let Consul Flavius Vedius Germanicus know, so your event can be
promoted. Let's make this the most active province in the Republic!

Want to keep abreast of what's going on in the Mediatlantica Provincia? Just
send an email to mediatlantica-subscribe@-------- to subscribe to the
official provincial email list.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

"For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
bad one." (Crassus, in the film "Spartacus")

email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
ICQ: 106199729
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org


Subject:	[novaroma] Roman Riddle
From:	"Acadien Errant" <acadienerrant@-------->
Date:	Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:58:32 -0600

Salvete Omnes,

I thought some of you might enjoy this Latin riddle which I remembered from
some class long ago. I am posting it here rather than on the Latinitas List
because some Latin students or folks who just enjoy the language may not be
members or amici of that Sodalitas.

It seems that a group of conspirators were gathered in a dark cellar,
plotting on whether they should improve their lot by sending one of their
number to assassinate the king. They were only waiting for a word from the
�chief conspirator� who was a member of the king�s court as to whether this
plot would prove to their benefit or detriment. The assassin, long since
chosen by lot, was of course the most anxious of them all. At long last, a
cryptic note addressed to the prospective regicide arrived, with the chief
conspirator�s final word on the matter. Opening it, they read the
following, painful scrawl, penned by a typical nobleman unaccustomed to
reading or writing:

NOLI TIMERE OCCIDERE REGEM BONUM EST

The riddle is to figure out what the Chief Conspirator meant.

Valete,
Acadianus Draco

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Subject:	[novaroma] Radio Interview - CBS Radio and Entertainment
From:	"Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:43:05 -0800

Ave Citizens of Nova Roma,

On Saturday, Praetor Q. Fabius Maximus and I had the opportunity to have a radio interview with CBS Radio. The purpose of the interview was a tie in about promoting Gladiator for the Oscars and about Nova Roma. It was an outstanding opportunity to get more publicity for Nova Roma. The interview will be broadcast on this Thursday evening. Prima Cornelia Pulchra will be recording it since I will be at work.

There were a couple of things I found very interesting:

1. The reporter was very interested about what we do at our meeting....and specifically the part about the libation to the Gods....Praetor Fabius actually performed a libation for him.

2. The reaction to the people who were dining within the restaurant...they were very receptive....and one of them asked for our autographs (none of us had a pen.) LOL

3. Our efforts to establish Nova Roma as a soverignty entity seemed successful. We came across as a professional organization that has goals and ideas with a proven, grounded governmental institution, based on Historical evidence.

Ultimately, the interviews were a smashing success. We had an excellent interview, good drinks and good food! I hope Proconsul Fabius will comment further on this.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] ATTN [Religio Romana]: ante diem XIV Kalendas Aprilias (March 19)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:33:02 -0000

Salve Prometheus

>Anybody could PLEASE come with a traduction of the hymn?
>My latin is not enough!
The problem is that no Latin is enough =). It is written in archaic Latin,
with some adulterations introduced throughout the ages, of course. The
Carmen Saliare was kept by the Romans throughout many centuries and as such
it keeps words whose meaning the Republican Romans no longer knew.

Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Radio Interview - CBS Radio and Entertainment
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:07:00 -0600

This is truly great news!!!!!!!

QS

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->; <Gens_Cornelia@-------->
Cc: <californianovarom@-------->; <senatusRomanus@-------->
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 11:43 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Radio Interview - CBS Radio and Entertainment

> Ave Citizens of Nova Roma,
>
> On Saturday, Praetor Q. Fabius Maximus and I had the opportunity to have a
radio interview with CBS Radio. The purpose of the interview was a tie in
about promoting Gladiator for the Oscars and about Nova Roma. It was an
outstanding opportunity to get more publicity for Nova Roma. The interview
will be broadcast on this Thursday evening. Prima Cornelia Pulchra will be
recording it since I will be at work.
>
> There were a couple of things I found very interesting:
>
> 1. The reporter was very interested about what we do at our
meeting....and specifically the part about the libation to the
Gods....Praetor Fabius actually performed a libation for him.
>
> 2. The reaction to the people who were dining within the
restaurant...they were very receptive....and one of them asked for our
autographs (none of us had a pen.) LOL
>
> 3. Our efforts to establish Nova Roma as a soverignty entity seemed
successful. We came across as a professional organization that has goals
and ideas with a proven, grounded governmental institution, based on
Historical evidence.
>
> Ultimately, the interviews were a smashing success. We had an excellent
interview, good drinks and good food! I hope Proconsul Fabius will comment
further on this.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Radio Interview - CBS Radio and Entertainment
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:07:00 -0600


Subject:	[novaroma] Nova Roma Announce List
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:21:16 -0500

Salvete!

I just wanted to remind everybody about the new NovaRomaAnnounce email list.
It is designed to be a very low-traffic list, for distribution of official
news (calls for votes, magisterial edicta, etc.) only; you can keep up with
what's going on without having to slog through tons of email every day. To
join, just send a blank email to NovaRomaAnnounce-subscribe@--------
or go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomaAnnounce/ to subscribe.

Also, magistrates; when posting your edicta and other official business,
please don't forget to cc: a copy to the NovaRomaAnnounce list. Thanks!

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

"For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
bad one." (Crassus in the film "Spartacus")

email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org


Subject:	[novaroma] oath of office
From:	"william wheeler" <holyconelia@-------->
Date:	Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:30:50 -0000

Oath Of Office

Marcus Cornelius Felix et civibus Salutem Plurimam Dictit:

According to the Lex Iunia de Iusiurand, I swear the following oath:

I, Marcus Cornelius Felix ( William A Wheeler) do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold
the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
of the people and Senate of Nova Roma.

As Legatus America Boreoccidentalis Minore, I, Marcus Cornelius Felix (
William Wheeler) swear
to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Marcus Cornelius Felix ( Willaim A Wheeler) swear to uphold and defend
the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Marcus Cornelius Felix ( Willaim A Wheeler) swear to protect and defend
the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Marcus Cornelius Felix ( Willaim A Wheeler)) further swear to fulfill
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Legatus of America
Boreoccidentalis Minore
to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman People and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Legatus America Boreoccidentalis Minore and all the
rights,
privileges, obligations and responsibilities attendant thereto.

March 19, in the year of the Consulship of Flavius Vedius Germanicus and
Marcus Cassius Iulianus, 2754 AUC.

Valete,

Marcus Cornelius Felix
Pontitff
Legate America Boreoccidentalis Minore
Sacerdos Primus America Boreoccidentalis

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Subject:	[novaroma] oath of office
From:	"william wheeler" <holyconelia@-------->
Date:	Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:36:30 -0000

Oath Of Office

Marcus Cornelius Felix et civibus Salutem Plurimam Dictit:

According to the Lex Iunia de Iusiurand, I swear the following oath:

I, Marcus Cornelius Felix ( William A Wheeler) do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold
the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
of the people and Senate of Nova Roma.

As Sacerdos Primus America Boreoccidentalis, I, Marcus Cornelius Felix (
William Wheeler) swear
to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Marcus Cornelius Felix ( Willaim A Wheeler) swear to uphold and defend
the
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Roman Riddle
From:	"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
Date:	Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:36:48 +0100

Salve Acadiane Draco,

>
> I thought some of you might enjoy this Latin riddle which I remembered
from
> some class long ago. I am posting it here rather than on the Latinitas
List
> because some Latin students or folks who just enjoy the language may not
be
> members or amici of that Sodalitas.
>
> It seems that a group of conspirators were gathered in a dark cellar,
> plotting on whether they should improve their lot by sending one of their
> number to assassinate the king. They were only waiting for a word from
the
> "chief conspirator" who was a member of the king's court as to whether
this
> plot would prove to their benefit or detriment. The assassin, long since
> chosen by lot, was of course the most anxious of them all. At long last,
a
> cryptic note addressed to the prospective regicide arrived, with the chief
> conspirator's final word on the matter. Opening it, they read the
> following, painful scrawl, penned by a typical nobleman unaccustomed to
> reading or writing:
>
> NOLI TIMERE OCCIDERE REGEM BONUM EST
>
> The riddle is to figure out what the Chief Conspirator meant.
>

According to my knowledge of Latin, the trick is in the "noli timere".
Litterally it means "Do not fear that slaying the king is good", but
something I faintly remember was that verbs like "nolle" and "timere" were
often accompanied by a coniunctivus, in a way that seems denying for us.
Quite frankly, I have no clue, but I'd bet on the fact that it retains its
litteral meaning.

Vale bene,
S. Apollonius Draco


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Roman Riddle
From:	Lucilla Cornelia Cinna <CorneliaLucilla@-------->
Date:	Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:29:34 +0100

Salvete Acadiane atque S. Apolloni Dracones ;o)

>> NOLI TIMERE OCCIDERE REGEM BONUM EST
>
> According to my knowledge of Latin, the trick is in the "noli timere".
> Litterally it means "Do not fear that slaying the king is good", but
> something I faintly remember was that verbs like "nolle" and "timere" were
> often accompanied by a coniunctivus, in a way that seems denying for us.

Uh-oh ... not at all. the sentence is quite clearly phrased.
"Don't be afraid - it's good to slain the king!"

"timere" cum ifinitivo (instead of "timere, ne" - "to be afraid that")
would be "to shrink back from", but still it is phrased "regembonum est"
not "rex bonus est" which makes it absolutely clear that the infinitive
construction "occidere regem" is the subject to "bonum est", and so it
says "Noli timere - occidere regem bonum est". ;o)
*tongue in cheek* It's a riddle for us NovaRomans just to find out how
skilled we are, right Acadi. A native Latin speaker wouldn't have seen
any ambiguity at all.

Bene valete

Lucilla Cornelia Cinna

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Roman Riddle
From:	"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
Date:	Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:58:37 +0100

Salve Lucilla!

> Salvete Acadiane atque S. Apolloni Dracones ;o)
>
> >> NOLI TIMERE OCCIDERE REGEM BONUM EST
> >
> > According to my knowledge of Latin, the trick is in the "noli timere".
> > Litterally it means "Do not fear that slaying the king is good", but
> > something I faintly remember was that verbs like "nolle" and "timere"
were
> > often accompanied by a coniunctivus, in a way that seems denying for us.
>
> Uh-oh ... not at all. the sentence is quite clearly phrased.
> "Don't be afraid - it's good to slain the king!"

Ok, so my translation wasn't �that� bad, but my guesswork for the ambiguity
was; or so it seems. Ah, well, forever student :).

> "timere" cum ifinitivo (instead of "timere, ne" - "to be afraid that")
> would be "to shrink back from", but still it is phrased "regembonum est"
> not "rex bonus est" which makes it absolutely clear that the infinitive
> construction "occidere regem" is the subject to "bonum est", and so it
> says "Noli timere - occidere regem bonum est". ;o)
> *tongue in cheek* It's a riddle for us NovaRomans just to find out how
> skilled we are, right Acadi. A native Latin speaker wouldn't have seen
> any ambiguity at all.

The wonderful riches of Latin language, as my 3rd grade Latin teacher used
to say.

Vale bene!
Draco


Subject:	[novaroma] RE: Radio Interview
From:	Magnus Ingmarsson <emperor@-------->
Date:	Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:18:45 +0100 (MET)

Salve!

It was fun to read about the radio interiew! For us that don't live in the
US it would be fun if it could be posted on the Nova Roma wbsite for
download. (maybe in realaudio or a similar format?)

Vale
Magnus Hadrianus


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] RE: Radio Interview
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:24:35 -0500

Salvete;

That's a great idea! Can someone tape it and make the transfer?

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

"For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
bad one." (Crassus in the film "Spartacus")

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> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] RE: Radio Interview
>
>
>
> Salve!
>
> It was fun to read about the radio interiew! For us that don't live in the
> US it would be fun if it could be posted on the Nova Roma wbsite for
> download. (maybe in realaudio or a similar format?)
>
>
> Vale
> Magnus Hadrianus
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Question about Roman weaponry...
From:	xena_mercuria_caledonia@--------
Date:	Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:46:33 -0000

Salvete!
First of all, I'd like to say that as a new member, everyone has gone
out of their way to help me out and make me feel comfortable, and I
very much appreciate that. I have a question that I think the
community could help me with, and forgive my ignorance in asking it
because I am sure I should know the answer. Did the Roman short
sword have a specific Latin name in and of itself that was different
from the general term for sword? If so, what is the word? Also, I
would just like to ask if anyone else (high school students) was
forced to take the National Latin Exam on the Ides of March? How
ironic and foreboding is that? In relation to that, I have another
question. When addressing a crowd in the Forum, did an orator stand
on the steps of the Curia? And also, is the rostra inside the
Curia? Thank you to anyone who can help me out.
Valete!
Caledonia


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Question about Roman weaponry...
From:	"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@-------->
Date:	Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:33:00 -0500

Salve,

The Roman Legionaries sword was known as a Gladius, -i (m). It came in two
main patterns, the earlier Mainz type and the later Pompeii type. Many
historians believe the Mainz patter Gladius is based on a ibero-celtic sword
called the Gladius Hispaniensis, used by the inhabitants of Hispania during
the time if the Punic Wars. The Mainz pattern Gladius had a blade between
20"-22" long with a "wasp-waist" and tapering point. The blade was between
2-1/2" to 3" wide. The Mainz pattern was replaced by the Pompeii pattern
sometime in the mid-1st century A.D. The Pompeii pattern had straight
parallel edges, a shorter more angular point, and was 18" - 22" long, with a
thinner 2" wide blade. On both types, the hilt was bone, ivory or wood, and
usually had finger grooves. The pommel was made of wood, and was either
somewhat spherical or oval, like an egg. The sword was normally carried in a
wooden scabbard, covered in leather or occasionally thin sheet metal. The
sword was normally carried on the right side.

The other common Roman sword was the Spatha, or cavalry sword. It resembled
a much longer Pompeii type Gladius and was used by both cavalry and
auxiliary infantry.

Hope that helps!

Vale,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Legatus of Massachusetts
Pilus Prior, Secunda Cohors
Legio VI Victrix

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To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Question about Roman weaponry...

Salvete!
First of all, I'd like to say that as a new member, everyone has gone
out of their way to help me out and make me feel comfortable, and I
very much appreciate that. I have a question that I think the
community could help me with, and forgive my ignorance in asking it
because I am sure I should know the answer. Did the Roman short
sword have a specific Latin name in and of itself that was different
from the general term for sword? If so, what is the word? Also, I
would just like to ask if anyone else (high school students) was
forced to take the National Latin Exam on the Ides of March? How
ironic and foreboding is that? In relation to that, I have another
question. When addressing a crowd in the Forum, did an orator stand
on the steps of the Curia? And also, is the rostra inside the
Curia? Thank you to anyone who can help me out.
Valete!
Caledonia


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Question about Roman weaponry...
From:	nramos@--------
Date:	Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:34:43 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, xena_mercuria_caledonia@-------- wrote:
> Salvete!
> First of all, I'd like to say that as a new member, everyone has
gone
> out of their way to help me out and make me feel comfortable, and I
> very much appreciate that. I have a question that I think the
> community could help me with, and forgive my ignorance in asking it
> because I am sure I should know the answer. Did the Roman short
> sword have a specific Latin name in and of itself that was
different
> from the general term for sword? If so, what is the word? Also, I
> would just like to ask if anyone else (high school students) was
> forced to take the National Latin Exam on the Ides of March? How
> ironic and foreboding is that? In relation to that, I have another
> question. When addressing a crowd in the Forum, did an orator
stand
> on the steps of the Curia? And also, is the rostra inside the
> Curia? Thank you to anyone who can help me out.
> Valete!
> Caledonia

Salve, Caledonia!

I'm sure to be corrected on this, but the name for the Roman short
sword was "gladius hispaniensis" (Spanish sword). Cavalry swords were
called "spatha" to distinguish them from the gladii; they had longer
blades, although the pommels, grips, and hilts were similar to those
of the gladius. In fact, the Spanish word for sword - espada - seems
to be derived from "spatha" (if I remember correctly). Since the
gladius became so ubiquituous in Roman military life, it's name
became
synonimous with "sword". However, there were other types of swords
extant, such as the "falcata" (think of an overgrown Ghurka knife)
and
the "kepis" or "kopis" (also similar to a Ghurka Khukhri knife). The
Sodalitas Militarum folks will probably explain this one better.

As for the rostra, my understanding is that it was indeed within the
Curia Hostillia or "Meeting place of Tullius Hostillius". It was
called "rostra" because it was decorated with the "rostra" or
metal-plated beaks of the Volscian ships that were defeated by Roman
forces in a naval engagement (I think it was either during one of the
Samnite Wars or the Social Wars, but I can be wrong about that, not
having my references here before me). As for addressing a crowd
before
the Forum - I defer to those with more knowledge about that. Hope
this
helps!

Optime Vale, et Iuppiter nos protegas!

Marius Cornelius Scipio
privatus