| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Another new citizen |
| From: |
Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs <iasonvs_serenvs@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:03:37 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salve Appollonius,
Welcome.
Vale,
Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Consular Edictum: The Nova Roman Flag |
| From: |
lsicinius@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 24 Mar 2001 02:03:55 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, "Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@n...> wrote:
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus novaromanis S.P.D.
>
> Under the authority of section IV.A.2.b. of the Constitution, I, Flavius
> Vedius Germanicus do hereby issue the following edictum in the hopes
that it
> will make life a little easier for those Citizens who put together
web pages
> related to Nova Roma while still protecting our trademark.
>
> Permission is hereby granted for all Citizens, magistrates, provincia,
> sodalitates, and other organizations of Nova Roma to use the image
of our
> flag on websites related to Nova Roma. The image may, at the time of the
> propagation of this edict, be found at
> http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/spqr.jpg on the main web
site. When
> used, the image may not be altered in any way except to scale it up
or down
> in size, and must be accompanied by the following HTML code (unaltered)
> somewhere on the same page as the flag image:
>
> <small>The Nova Roman "Gold SPQR in a gold wreath on a crimson
> field" flag is a
> use-protected trademark of <a href="http://www.novaroma.org">Nova
Roma</a>
> and is used
> with permission.</small>
>
> Permission to use the image of the Nova Roman flag in other contexts, in
> altered form, or without the accompanying attribution must still be
obtained
> through the Consuls.
>
> Valete,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
Salvete,
This brings up a point regarding Basilica. The Throbber (Logo) is
based on the Nava Roman Flag, However it was modified for the purposes
of use in the Browser.
The Throbber consists of two Gifs, one static and one animated. The
static Gif is the normal display, and was modified by reducing the
size of the red background so that the Wreath and SPQR are more
prominant. The Animated Gif is displayed when a page is being loaded
(and sometimes after it's finished loading due to a few bugs that
haven't been fixed yet). It is the same as the static Gif execpt that
the Wreath and letters slowly change to white and back to Gold giving
the effect of the Wreath and SPQR heating up and cooling off.
The License includes a disclaimer that the logo is a use protected
trademark of Nova Roma.
I have also asigned the Copyright to the Original code used in
Basilica to Nova Roma, and since the trademarked logo is properity of
Nova Roma the License is worded so that Basilica can't be distributed
without the permission of Nova Roma (Unless the logo is removed, then
since it's an open sourced project it can be freely distributed) This
is the same manner that Netscape uses to protect it's trademarks and
copyrights in Netscape 6.0 (Which is also a branded version of
Mozilla). License information can be viewed at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/novaroma/files/Basilica/basilica.html
For those who have heard that Netscape 6 is a dog, it was based on the
code as it existed last fall, and they jumped the gun and released it
too early. Basilica is allready better, and is being improved daily.
But I digress, Are there any problems with the way I've used the SPQR
Logo? I've done everything I could to protect Nova Roma's trademark,
but it may be a good idea to file for trademark protection on the logo
I created as a seprate trademark from the flag. If so, I assign all
rights to the Nova Roma Logo used in Basilica to the Nova Roma
Corparation.
Valete,
Lucius Sicinius Drusus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] ROMAN DAYS!!! |
| From: |
Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs <iasonvs_serenvs@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:35:48 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salve Prima Lucilla,
I shall try to attend, with a least one of my little
ones. (He likes his "Roman name" and I believe I have
planted the seed in him.)
Vale, in faith to She,
Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs
--- Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
<alexious@--------> wrote:
> Me me me...Prima Cornelia and I plan to be there..
> :) hehehe what
> information do you need?
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> *Do I sound excited enough!!!*
>
> Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata wrote:
> >
> > Salvete Quirites,
> >
> > With Roman Days fast approaching, I need to see a
> show
> > of hands by those who wish to join the group of us
> who
> > will be staying at the Red Roof Inn in Lanham, MD.
> > Nova Roma will also be hosting a Hospitality Suite
> at
> > this establishment.
> >
> > With our discount, the rate for a room with a
> > king-sized bed is $67.49 (+tax) per night based on
> > double occupancy; for a room with two double beds,
> the
> > rate is $71.99 (+tax) per night based on double
> > occupancy.
> >
> > I need to finalize our reservations next week. If
> > you're interested in taking advantage of these
> rates,
> > please e-mail me no later than Tuesday 28 March.
> >
> > Also, our very own Merlinia Ambrosia offers a
> terrific
> > meal plan during Roman Days in which I'm certain
> many
> > of us will want to participate. Just $20 buys you
> > breakfast, lunch and dinner on Saturday (06/09)
> and
> > breakfast and lunch on Sunday (06/10). And the
> food
> > is FABULOUS! You can also purchase dinner only on
> > Saturday for $5.
> >
> > Want to participate in NR's lodging or meal plan?
> > Please contact me -- but do it soon. Tempis
> fugit!
> >
> > Vale bene,
> > Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata
> > Accensa
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.
> > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Question for our Tribune |
| From: |
"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:30:42 -0600 |
|
23 Mar 2001
Salve All
Tribune Labienus,
I have read your statement regarding the requirements for the Tribunes of the Plebs. Once I read your requirements I am puzzeled about some of the extra requirements you have added. You stated the following requirement that a citizen had to be apart of Nova Roma for 6 months before he could run for Tribune of the Plebs. Could you clarify this statement because upon my research of the Constitution, various Leges and other legal documents I do not see where such a restriction on office holding exists. Not even the LEX VEDIA DE CURSO HONORUM, limits the ability for citizens to run for the Tribune of the Plebs position. Thank you for your comments on this matter.
Vale
Quintus Sertorius
Queastor
Nova Roma
Propraetor
Canada Occidentalis
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Re: Consular Edictum: The Nova Roman Flag |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:52:36 -0500 |
|
Salve;
Consider this your official permission to use the logo as described for the
Basilica project. :-)
My only real concern is that the use-protected trademark notice is included,
and that we've taken reasonable precautions to make sure it is.
Vale,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
"For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
bad one." (Crassus, in the film "Spartacus")
email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
ICQ: 106199729
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lsicinius@-------- [mailto:lsicinius@--------]
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 9:04 PM
>
> Salvete,
> This brings up a point regarding Basilica. The Throbber (Logo) is
> based on the Nava Roman Flag, However it was modified for the purposes
> of use in the Browser.
> The Throbber consists of two Gifs, one static and one animated. The
> static Gif is the normal display, and was modified by reducing the
> size of the red background so that the Wreath and SPQR are more
> prominant. The Animated Gif is displayed when a page is being loaded
> (and sometimes after it's finished loading due to a few bugs that
> haven't been fixed yet). It is the same as the static Gif execpt that
> the Wreath and letters slowly change to white and back to Gold giving
> the effect of the Wreath and SPQR heating up and cooling off.
>
> The License includes a disclaimer that the logo is a use protected
> trademark of Nova Roma.
>
> I have also asigned the Copyright to the Original code used in
> Basilica to Nova Roma, and since the trademarked logo is properity of
> Nova Roma the License is worded so that Basilica can't be distributed
> without the permission of Nova Roma (Unless the logo is removed, then
> since it's an open sourced project it can be freely distributed) This
> is the same manner that Netscape uses to protect it's trademarks and
> copyrights in Netscape 6.0 (Which is also a branded version of
> Mozilla). License information can be viewed at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/novaroma/files/Basilica/basilica.html
>
> For those who have heard that Netscape 6 is a dog, it was based on the
> code as it existed last fall, and they jumped the gun and released it
> too early. Basilica is allready better, and is being improved daily.
>
> But I digress, Are there any problems with the way I've used the SPQR
> Logo? I've done everything I could to protect Nova Roma's trademark,
> but it may be a good idea to file for trademark protection on the logo
> I created as a seprate trademark from the flag. If so, I assign all
> rights to the Nova Roma Logo used in Basilica to the Nova Roma
> Corparation.
>
> Valete,
> Lucius Sicinius Drusus
|
| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Question for our Tribune |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:00:48 -0500 |
|
Salve;
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Quintus Sertorius [mailto:quintus-sertorius@--------]
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 9:31 PM
>
> I have read your statement regarding the requirements for the
> Tribunes of the Plebs. Once I read your requirements I am
> puzzeled about some of the extra requirements you have added.
> You stated the following requirement that a citizen had to be
> apart of Nova Roma for 6 months before he could run for Tribune
> of the Plebs. Could you clarify this statement because upon my
> research of the Constitution, various Leges and other legal
> documents I do not see where such a restriction on office holding
> exists. Not even the LEX VEDIA DE CURSO HONORUM, limits the
> ability for citizens to run for the Tribune of the Plebs
> position. Thank you for your comments on this matter.
If I may be permitted to answer for our good Tribune, the Lex Vedia de Curso
Honorum does indeed stipulate requirements for persons running for Tribune
of the Plebs (among other magistracies). Paragraph II states "No individual
may assume the office of one of the ordinarii who has not been a registered
citizen in good standing for at least six months."
Paragraph IV.A.7. of the Constitution clearly defines the Tribuni Plebis as
ranking among the ordinarii, thus the requirement applies to that magistracy
as well.
Vale,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
"For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
bad one." (Crassus, in the film "Spartacus")
email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
ICQ: 106199729
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Question for our Tribune |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:08:53 -0800 |
|
Ave,
But, item 1 stipulates only the Censor, Consul and Praetor.
I. No individual may assume the office of Censor, Consul, or Praetor, who
has not previously completed at least six months of a term as one of the
ordinarii (not including the Apparitores) or as provincial governor. Such
individuals may run for office prior to completion of this requirement, but
must complete it prior to actually assuming the office itself. Individuals
who resign their positions prior to the normal end of their term in office
may not use that term to satisfy this requirement, regardless of how much
time they spent in office.
Is the a conflict in this lex?
And, does this mean Quaestors and Vigenterisixi (sp.) are also prohibited
from running unless they are citizens for 6 months?
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: "Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 7:00 PM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] Question for our Tribune
> Salve;
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Quintus Sertorius [mailto:quintus-sertorius@--------]
> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 9:31 PM
> >
> > I have read your statement regarding the requirements for the
> > Tribunes of the Plebs. Once I read your requirements I am
> > puzzeled about some of the extra requirements you have added.
> > You stated the following requirement that a citizen had to be
> > apart of Nova Roma for 6 months before he could run for Tribune
> > of the Plebs. Could you clarify this statement because upon my
> > research of the Constitution, various Leges and other legal
> > documents I do not see where such a restriction on office holding
> > exists. Not even the LEX VEDIA DE CURSO HONORUM, limits the
> > ability for citizens to run for the Tribune of the Plebs
> > position. Thank you for your comments on this matter.
>
> If I may be permitted to answer for our good Tribune, the Lex Vedia de
Curso
> Honorum does indeed stipulate requirements for persons running for Tribune
> of the Plebs (among other magistracies). Paragraph II states "No
individual
> may assume the office of one of the ordinarii who has not been a
registered
> citizen in good standing for at least six months."
>
> Paragraph IV.A.7. of the Constitution clearly defines the Tribuni Plebis
as
> ranking among the ordinarii, thus the requirement applies to that
magistracy
> as well.
>
> Vale,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
>
> "For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such
a
> bad one." (Crassus, in the film "Spartacus")
>
> email: germanicus@--------
> AIM: Flavius Vedius
> ICQ: 106199729
> www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Question for our Tribune |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:27:04 -0500 |
|
Salve;
> -----Original Message-----
> From: L. Cornelius Sulla Felix [mailto:alexious@--------]
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 10:09 PM
>
> But, item 1 stipulates only the Censor, Consul and Praetor.
>
> I. No individual may assume the office of Censor, Consul, or Praetor, who
> has not previously completed at least six months of a term as one of the
> ordinarii (not including the Apparitores) or as provincial governor. Such
> individuals may run for office prior to completion of this requirement,
but
> must complete it prior to actually assuming the office itself. Individuals
> who resign their positions prior to the normal end of their term in office
> may not use that term to satisfy this requirement, regardless of how much
> time they spent in office.
>
> Is the a conflict in this lex?
No; why would it be? Paragraph I says that one cannot serve in the Greater
Magistracies (Censor, Consul, or Praetor) without having previously served
in some other elective office. Paragraph II says that one cannot serve in
_any_ elective office unless one has been a Citizen for six months. What
would be the conflict?
> And, does this mean Quaestors and Vigenterisixi (sp.) are also prohibited
> from running unless they are citizens for 6 months?
Exactly. They are counted amongst the ordinarii, and thus are subject to the
same six-months-of-citizenship requirement. Hardly a huge imposition for
people who want to assume positions of trust and responsibility in our
Republic.
Vale,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
"For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
bad one." (Crassus, in the film "Spartacus")
email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
ICQ: 106199729
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Question for our Tribune |
| From: |
Fortunatus <labienus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:42:03 -0600 |
|
Salvete
Consul Vedius is correct. I included the 6-months-as-civis requirement
precisely due to Lex Vedia de Curso Honorum, as the tribuni plebis are
ordinarii.
> But, item 1 stipulates only the Censor, Consul and Praetor.
>
> I. No individual may assume the office of Censor, Consul, or Praetor,
> who has not previously completed at least six months of a term as one
> of the ordinarii (not including the Apparitores) or as provincial
> governor. Such individuals may run for office prior to completion of
> this requirement, but must complete it prior to actually assuming the
> office itself. Individuals who resign their positions prior to the
> normal end of their term in office may not use that term to satisfy
> this requirement, regardless of how much time they spent in office.
>
> Is the a conflict in this lex?
If I may be permitted to answer for our good consul, this is not a
conflict in the lex. Censores, consules, and praetores are held to a
higher standard by the lex than are other ordinarii. Those three
positions may only be held by those who have been cives for 6 months
*and* have served at least 6 months as one of the ordinarii without
having resigned their position.
> And, does this mean Quaestors and Vigenterisixi (sp.) are also
> prohibited from running unless they are citizens for 6 months?
Yes. And it's spelled 'vigintisexviri' (wig-in-tee-sex-wee-ree).
Note that apparitores (scribae and accensi), while listed among the
ordinarii, are not covered by the law. The constitution specifically
points out that apparitores are not magistrates, and LVdCH only applies
to elected magistracies.
Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus
--
"People do not like to think. If one thinks, one must reach
conclusions. Conclusions are not always pleasant."
-Helen Keller
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Basilica and Site Promotion |
| From: |
lsicinius@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 24 Mar 2001 03:53:08 -0000 |
|
Salvete,
Basilica will be a branded version of the Mozilla Browser. Mozilla was
born about the same time as Nova Roma, when Netscape released the Code
for the Netscape 5 Browser that they were developing on the day before
the Kalends of April 1998 CE, so it's one month younger than Nova
Roma. Netscape continued to play an active role in the development of
the Mozilla Browser, and since thier main concern was promoting the
Netscape portal, Mozilla contains many built in links that can be used
to promote the Nova Roma site.
The Search button is currently set to Netscape's Web Search Page,
However it can be changed to link to a Search Page on Nova Roma's
site. Currently the best search engine is Google. They have custom web
and site search service that is free and would allow Nova Roma to have
it's own branded web search and a site search of Nova Roma, which
could be reached in Basilica by clicking on the search button, or by a
regular link. Details of Google's free search are at
http://www.google.com/services/free.html
The Throbber (Logo in the top right corner) is also a button that
takes you to a web site. Currently it's set to the Mozilla home page
but that will change to Nova Roma's Main page. The Throbbers in
different parts of Basilica can be set to different sites, for example
the mail reader can be set to the Forum instead of the Main Page.
The Home Button can be set to a default Page, Nova Roma's Main Page,
however this is easly changed by the user so it dosen't have much
value for site promotion.
A default set of Bookmarks can be loaded, but these are ignored if an
older version of Netscape is installed. The Netscape Bookmarks are
loaded instead. (You don't lose your old Bookmarks). For Those who use
Microsoft IE, the favorites are imported, along with the Default
Bookmarks. Sugestions for default Bookmarks would be most welcome.
The Task bar at the bottom can be loaded with Links. Currently the
only entry is a Mozilla Menu that has links to Bugzilla (to report
bugs in Mozilla) and Bonsai (concerns the Mozilla code tree). One of
the items I want to have here are links to the homepages of all the
provincia. This would be a lot easier if the Provincial pages were
located on the Nova Roma Server so there wouldn't be any problems with
the pages moving and creating dead links. Other links will be to
sections of the Nova Roma site.
When you first open the Mail/News client the area that you will read
your mail in is a web page. Users of Netscape's older browsers will be
familar with Netscape's news item (with a link to Netscape's site of
course). This is currently set to a static page at Mozilla.org that
tells about the mail/news client, however this could be set to a page
on Nova Roma's server. Either a static page like Mozilla's or a Nova
Roman News page like Netscape's that details votes in the comitiae,
Upcoming events, or other news of intrest to citizens. Of course
someone will need to maintain the page if an active page is desired.
A default tab about Nova Roma can be added to the My Sidebar feature,
but this isn't worth doing unless it's a well maintained active page
with up to date content. It can use the same news as the mail/news
client page in order to reach citizens who chose to use a different
e-mail client like Eudora or (ugh) Outlook, or who have to use a
diferent client like Rainmaker (AOL's E-mail reader).
Valete
Lucius Sicinius Drusus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] equestrians as magistrates |
| From: |
sfp55@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:17:31 EST |
|
In a message dated 3/23/2001 6:14:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,
voodo_ii@-------- writes:
<< I am studying Roman History in college right now, and my professor
seems to be unwilling to tell me when equestrians were allowed to
become magistrates. I know that Marius was an equestrian, and that
Sulla allowed equestrians into the senate, but was there some kind of
precedent set before Marius? Is there a specific time in Roman
history that equestrians were allowed into the Senate and allowed to
hold public office? Thanks... >>
Salvete
Latin Eques means horseman which we translate to the knightly class of Rome.
Equester Ordo was the collective term for this class. However they were only
considered a class because they had to have a certain amount of wealth to
maintain
the position.
As for the Equites being Senators we have numerous examples from Livy in
Early Rome
of the younger Senators being enrolled in the Horse. There were 1200 of them
when the age of kings gave way to the Republic. Polybios tells us that
service was from 17-46 years, though after 35 they could retire, the pay in
the field was three times that of the pedes, 10 thousand sesterii were
allotted for buying the horse with 2 thousand set aside for the upkeep.
By the 100s the Horse was no longer serving in the field. Rome's wealth
allowed it to buy mercenary house, Gauls, Germans and Spanish, to serve
instead.
While in 218 when the Lex Claudia prohibited Senators from engaging in
commerce and the Equites took over their pursuits, it was Gaius Gracchus who
gave them real power in 123 BCE (Acilian Law) . He he excluded Senators from
the Equites, and give the Order the Senate seats on the juries. He also
ranked the Ordo as a permanent class and give it political clout by allowing
them to collect the taxes from Asia. This made the Senate and the Order,
rivals. As tax collectors, the Order fought the Senate to keep their
contracts and retain control of the provinces. As you said, L. Cornelius
Sulla was their enemy while Cinna was their friend. They suffered heavily
from proscription, as Sulla and his allies attempted to break their power
forever. Cicero in one book, advocates a "concordia ordinum" between the
Senate and the Order. Sulla restored the Senate seats as the jury, but by 70
BCE the seats were now divided between the Senate, the Order, and the Tribuni
Aerarii.
The horse served both sides during the Civil Wars, but were inferior to the
Gauls and Spanish. Between proscription and battle casualties the Order was
almost totally eliminated by the end of the Civil Wars. It would be revived
as a merchant class under Augustus.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] ROMAN DAYS!!! |
| From: |
Mia <tuozine@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:41:37 -0500 |
|
I just talked to my husband and we'd love to participate in both the
lodging and the meal plan... What details do you need from us?
Ursula Numeria Fortunata
Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> With Roman Days fast approaching, I need to see a show
> of hands by those who wish to join the group of us who
> will be staying at the Red Roof Inn in Lanham, MD.
> Nova Roma will also be hosting a Hospitality Suite at
> this establishment.
>
> With our discount, the rate for a room with a
> king-sized bed is $67.49 (+tax) per night based on
> double occupancy; for a room with two double beds, the
> rate is $71.99 (+tax) per night based on double
> occupancy.
>
> I need to finalize our reservations next week. If
> you're interested in taking advantage of these rates,
> please e-mail me no later than Tuesday 28 March.
>
> Also, our very own Merlinia Ambrosia offers a terrific
> meal plan during Roman Days in which I'm certain many
> of us will want to participate. Just $20 buys you
> breakfast, lunch and dinner on Saturday (06/09) and
> breakfast and lunch on Sunday (06/10). And the food
> is FABULOUS! You can also purchase dinner only on
> Saturday for $5.
>
> Want to participate in NR's lodging or meal plan?
> Please contact me -- but do it soon. Tempis fugit!
>
> Vale bene,
> Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata
> Accensa
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Greetings |
| From: |
beauseant@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 24 Mar 2001 03:04:09 -0000 |
|
Hello,
My name is Marcus Severus Falco Corvo. I am a new citizen of Nova Roma
and paterfamilias of the gens Severa Falco. I salute you all and look
forward to a long and healthy relationship as a fellow Nova Roman.
Corvo
|
| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Citizen Count Achievement |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:01:37 -0800 |
|
Salvete Censor Sulla et Quiritibus!
Truly, a momentous day! Gratias multas for all your hard work and that of
your
esteemed colleague Lucius Equitius for making such numbers a reality!
Bona Fortuna!
Bene valete,
-Oppius
-----Original Message-----
From: Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix [mailto:alexious@--------]
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 3:11 AM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Citizen Count Achievement
Ave,
Yesterday we crossed another milestone in the history of Nova Roma. We
achieved citizen number 800!
I am so pleased that we have achieved such dramatic growth in Nova
Roma.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor of Nova Roma
|
| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Another new citizen |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:06:11 -0800 |
|
Salve Tiberi Apolloni Cicatrix!
Welcome to Nova Roma! I hope that you find your stay pleasurable and
take the opportunity to sample all that our Respublica has
to offer.
As you may already know, there are several Latin lists
and the Sodalitas Militarium; both of which would seem to
cater to your interests. Take care and again, welcome!
Bene vale in Pace Deorum,
Oppius Flaccus Severus
Sacerdos Neptunus
-----Original Message-----
From: Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix [mailto:consulromanus@--------]
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 1:18 AM
To: Novaroma group
Subject: [novaroma] Another new citizen
Salve,
My name is Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix (real name:
Dennis Temmerman) and I am now officially a proud
citizen of Nova Roma. I currently live in Belgium
(near the beautiful city of Ghent). I am a history
student at the university of Ghent and I am already a
few years 'addicted' to ancient Rome. My nickname in
my emailadress is currently not a symbol for any
ambitions, but maybe in the future I would like to
start a political career.
My main interests are Latin literature (in
translation, since I know not enough Latin to read and
comprehend those texts) and the Roman military.
The early republic of Rome is the time period I like
most, because of the pure virtus there was in that
period. I dislike the period of the emperors for their
total lack of virtue, and I am therefore happy to see
that Nova Roma is a republic and not an empire.
If anyone has more questions or would like to talk to
me about something, you can contact me privately at my
other emailadress: metalrules@--------
This is because I would like to use this emailadress
only for the emaillists of Nova Roma.
My sincere greetings to all citizens,
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
For all people who understand Dutch, I have a website
about ancient Rome in Dutch:
http://www.geocities.com/consulromanus
=====
"De te autem, Catilina, cum quiescunt, probant; cum patiuntur, decernunt; cum
tacent, clamant." (M. Tullius Cicero: In Catilinam I, 20)
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.
http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
|
| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Greetings |
| From: |
"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:08:45 -0800 |
|
Salve Marce Severe Falco Corvo!
Welcome to Nova Roma. -A most excellent
Gens name you have selected. Am partial to the name
'Severus' myself! We look forward to working with you
as well.
Bene vale,
Oppius Flaccus Severus
Sacerdos Neptunus
-----Original Message-----
From: beauseant@-------- [mailto:beauseant@--------]
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 7:04 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Greetings
Hello,
My name is Marcus Severus Falco Corvo. I am a new citizen of Nova Roma
and paterfamilias of the gens Severa Falco. I salute you all and look
forward to a long and healthy relationship as a fellow Nova Roman.
Corvo
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] ATTN: Plebiscitum for Upcoming Vote |
| From: |
Fortunatus <labienus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:34:32 -0600 |
|
Tribunus Plebis T Labienus Quiritibus SPD
I intend to place the following plebiscitum on the upcoming ballot. It
is not the same procedures plebiscitum that I attempted to offer earlier
this year. This is, instead, a version that was developed in
cooperation with Consul Vedius. We've created something that is a
little more historically accurate and just plain better than my earlier
attempt. Also, versions of this plebiscitum will be offered by Consul
Vedius for the other comitia, thereby providing us with a consistent set
of procedures for each of the trina comitia.
___________________
LEX LABIENIA DE RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS TRIBUTORUM
I. The Lex Vedia de Ratione Eligium and Lex Vedia de Ratione Comitiorum
Plebis Tributorum are hereby rescinded as they apply to the election of
magistrates and the voting of leges by the Comitia Plebis Tributa. This
Lex Labiena de Ratione Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum is hereby enacted to
define the procedures by which the Comitia Plebis Tributa shall conduct
the business of electing magistrates and voting on leges.
II. Calling the Comitia to Order.
A Tribunis Plebis may, as described in the Constitution, call the
Comitia to order, to hold a vote on a lex or leges, or to hold an
election. The magistrate who calls the Comitia to order shall be
referred to herein as the presiding magistrate.
A. This shall be done by making a public announcement announcing the
call in those public fora which shall have been designated for such
purpose, in which must be included:
1. The names of candidates for office and the office for which
they are running (when the Comitia is being called for an election),
2. The full text of any plebiscita which are being voted on
(when the Comitia is being called to legislate),
3. The dates when the members of the Comitia shall begin and
finish voting,
4. Any special instructions that pertain to the mechanics of the
vote, if any.
B. The presiding magistrate shall have the responsibility for taking
all reasonable precautions to ensure that candidates for a vote hold
whatever qualifications are required by law. The Censors shall assist in
such efforts as to the best of their ability.
III. Timing of the vote.
A. The announcement containing the call to vote must be issued at
least 120 hours (5 days) prior to the start of the vote. This period
shall be known as the Contio, and shall be used for formal discussion of
the issues and/or candidates before the People for vote.
B. During the Contio, those Constitutionally empowered to do so may
exercise their powers of intercessio or nuntiatio.
1. The exercise of intercessio shall cancel the vote or election
outright, although another call with the same items may be made at a
later date.
2. The exercise of nuntiatio shall extend the Contio, postponing
the start and end dates of the voting period by 24 hours, during which
time nuntiatio may again be exercised.
3. Should the exercise of nuntatio cause the voting period to
move such that it conflicts with calendarical restrictions as defined by
the Collegium Pontificum, the presiding magistrate may change or extend
the dates of the vote and/or contio at his or her discretion.
C. The period between the start and end of the voting must last no
less than 192 hours (8 days).
D. The ability to vote during the voting period may be impacted due
to calendrical issues as enacted by decreta of the Collegium Pontificum.
E. The rogatores shall tally the vote and shall deliver the results
to the presiding magistrate within 48 hours of the close of the voting
period.
F. The presiding magistrate shall announce the results of the vote
within 24 hours of receiving the results from the rogatores, in at least
the same venues as the original announcement calling the vote was
published.
IV. Voting procedures.
A. The censors shall issue to each citizen a unique voter
identification code. This code shall be used to maintain anonymity in
the voting process, and to minimize the possibility of vote fraud. In a
timely fashion prior to the vote, the censors shall make available to
the rogatores a list of valid voter identification codes and the tribes
with which they are associated. The rogatores shall not have access to
the names of the citizens associated with particular voter
identification codes.
B. In consultation with the rogatores, the curator araneum shall
make available a cista; a secure web-based form to allow citizens to
vote directly through the official Nova Roma web site. This form shall
record the voter identification number and desired vote(s) of the
individual. The information thus collected will either be forwarded to
the rogatores as it is gathered, or at the end of the process, at their
discretion. Alternative methods of voting may be enacted by other
legislation as required.
C. Each Citizen shall have the opportunity to vote for a single
candidate for each office for which a vacancy exists, regardless of the
number of vacancies within a given magistracy. Citizens may cast a vote
for a candidate not listed on the ballot, or may waive their right to
cast a vote for a given magistracy. Once cast, no vote may be altered,
even with the correct voter identification code. Should multiple votes
be registered with the same voter identification code, only the first
one recorded shall be used when tallying the vote.
V. Procedures for counting votes.
A. Votes shall be counted by tribes.
1. In the case of a magisterial election, each tribe shall cast
a number of votes equal to the number of vacancies for the magistracy in
question. Votes shall be assigned to those candidates who received votes
by members of the tribe, with those candidates receiving the most valid
individual votes receiving the tribe's vote first, then working down in
descending order until all the tribe's votes have been assigned.
EXAMPLE: Four candidates are running for Tribunus Plebis.
Each tribe casts two votes, because there are two vacant positions. In
tribe III, there are 26 votes for candidate A, 32 votes for candidate B,
2 votes for candidate C, and 13 votes for candidate D. The tribe's two
votes are cast for candidates A and B, since they received the two
highest vote-totals within the tribe.
2. In the case of a vote on a plebiscitum, each tribe shall vote
in favor of the plebiscitum if a majority of the votes received by
members of the tribe are in favor. Otherwise, the tribe shall be
considered to have voted against the proposed plebiscitum.
3. Should a tie occur within a given tribe, the winner shall be
the candidate who is a paterfamilias or materfamilias, or if such shall
not decide the issue, the winner shall be decided by lot. The rogatores
may decide how such decisions by lot shall be made in a fair manner.
B. A vote or election shall be decided by a majority of the tribes.
1. In the case of a magisterial election, candidates must
receive votes from at least 18 of the 35 tribes in order to win.
a. Should not enough candidates receive votes from at least
18 of the 35 tribes to fill all vacancies, a new election shall be
called within 30 days from the end of the current election.
b. Should more candidates receive votes from at least 18 of
the 35 tribes than there are vacancies, the winner shall be the
candidate who is a paterfamilias or materfamilias, or if such shall not
decide the issue, the winner shall be decided by lot. The rogatores may
decide how such decisions by lot shall be made in a fair manner.
2. In the case of a vote on a plebiscitum, 18 of the 35 tribes
must vote in favor for the plebiscitum to be adopted.
C. Votes may be tallied by automated means should the rogatores
determine such is preferable to, and at least as accurate as, a manual
count.
D. Only the aggregate votes of the tribes shall be delivered to the
presiding magistrate; the votes of individual citizens shall be secret.
___________________
Valete
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Statistic Summary |
| From: |
"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:32:11 -0500 |
|
Helena Galeria Aureliana Marco Arminio Maiori S.P.D.
I visited your web site - what a great job! I'm very impressed and the maps
were most helpful. I encourage everybody to go see this site.
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/nrbras/nr4.htm
Vale Bene
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Roman Days |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:17:33 -0500 (EST) |
|
Salvete, Citizens and Friends of Nova Roma;
For those of you who may have an interest, my wife and Travel Advisor
tells me that we are on for the trip to Roman Days, so I will be there,
if not with "bells on" at least in fine fettle.
Unfortunately I do not have a toga, although I do have a tunic.
Unfortunately also, my physique is more amenable to the toga of a
politician than to armor of a soldier. I should like to make this
appeal:
I would like to either borrow a toga for the event, or better still get
a pattern or description of a pattern to make one with the placement and
width of the purple senators stripe. I would also like to have the
information on the placement of the purple stripe on the white tunic,
Also, if anyone has drawings or pictures of a pair of red shoes, that
would be welcome as well.
A last request would be for a chair, that could be set under one of the
tents / flies to be erected in case of rain. My weight is over 300 lbs
so the chair should be fairly sturdy. I have some trouble walking so
frequesnt rests in a chair are necessary phyically as well as for my
Dignatus (Grin!!!!!!!!!!!). I will be coming by plane, so I cannot
bring anything except the normal baggage.
My wife being a travel agent will make the room arrangements seperately,
and I will be pleased to support Consul Germanicus' request for
Hospitality Suite Funding in the Senate.
If anyone has any particular request of me, for this event, I should be
pleased to consider such, with the proviso that I cannot bring a lot of
extra material. On my last visit, my maps and drawings did not draw a
significant amount of interest, so unless there is some specific
inquiry, I plan to leave these at home.
Valete, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Server Outage Today. |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:29:22 -0600 (CST) |
|
Salvete Quirites,
Today, at about 3pm CST, the server containing www.novaroma.org and
related sites will be physically moved to a new location; thereafter
it will have a different IP address.
The reason for this can be found at http://www.northpoint.net/. In
short, my DSL provider has gone out of business and their network
is expected to become a "notwork" in a few days.
Fortunately, by combining colocation expenses with another customer
who has been similarly effected, we have come upon a solution that
will provide much faster connectivity than ever before. The server
will no longer have a mere 2/3rds of a T1 line equivalent (shared with
several Napster-using neighbors) but will be in the ISP's office,
with multiple redundant T1 lines to at least two backbone providers.
You may have difficulty contacting the server tonight and part of
tomorrow due to the time it takes changes in name service to propogate
through the network. This problem will be temporary.
Email service for *@-------- addresses will not be interrupted,
as that has always been handled elsewhere.
Valete, Octavius.
--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneum et Senator
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: [ComitiaPlebisTributa] ATTN: Plebiscitum for Upcoming Vote |
| From: |
LSergAust@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:39:21 EST |
|
Salve Tribune Fortunatus
Mea sentetia, this is excellent. I suggest one minor change in wording
for clarity's sake. Specifically, in section III,D, I suggest it be
modified to read:
> D. The ability to vote on specific days during the voting
> period may be suspended due to calendrical issues as enacted
> by decreta of the Collegium Pontificum.
Vale,
L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
On 3/24/01 8:34 AM Fortunatus (labienus@--------) wrote:
>Tribunus Plebis T Labienus Quiritibus SPD
>
>I intend to place the following plebiscitum on the upcoming ballot. It
>is not the same procedures plebiscitum that I attempted to offer earlier
>this year. This is, instead, a version that was developed in
>cooperation with Consul Vedius. We've created something that is a
>little more historically accurate and just plain better than my earlier
>attempt. Also, versions of this plebiscitum will be offered by Consul
>Vedius for the other comitia, thereby providing us with a consistent set
>of procedures for each of the trina comitia.
>___________________
>
>LEX LABIENIA DE RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS TRIBUTORUM
>
>I. The Lex Vedia de Ratione Eligium and Lex Vedia de Ratione Comitiorum
>Plebis Tributorum are hereby rescinded as they apply to the election of
>magistrates and the voting of leges by the Comitia Plebis Tributa. This
>Lex Labiena de Ratione Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum is hereby enacted to
>define the procedures by which the Comitia Plebis Tributa shall conduct
>the business of electing magistrates and voting on leges.
>
>II. Calling the Comitia to Order.
>
>A Tribunis Plebis may, as described in the Constitution, call the
>Comitia to order, to hold a vote on a lex or leges, or to hold an
>election. The magistrate who calls the Comitia to order shall be
>referred to herein as the presiding magistrate.
> A. This shall be done by making a public announcement announcing the
>call in those public fora which shall have been designated for such
>purpose, in which must be included:
> 1. The names of candidates for office and the office for which
>they are running (when the Comitia is being called for an election),
> 2. The full text of any plebiscita which are being voted on
>(when the Comitia is being called to legislate),
> 3. The dates when the members of the Comitia shall begin and
>finish voting,
> 4. Any special instructions that pertain to the mechanics of the
>vote, if any.
> B. The presiding magistrate shall have the responsibility for taking
>all reasonable precautions to ensure that candidates for a vote hold
>whatever qualifications are required by law. The Censors shall assist in
>such efforts as to the best of their ability.
>
>III. Timing of the vote.
>
> A. The announcement containing the call to vote must be issued at
>least 120 hours (5 days) prior to the start of the vote. This period
>shall be known as the Contio, and shall be used for formal discussion of
>the issues and/or candidates before the People for vote.
> B. During the Contio, those Constitutionally empowered to do so may
>exercise their powers of intercessio or nuntiatio.
> 1. The exercise of intercessio shall cancel the vote or election
>outright, although another call with the same items may be made at a
>later date.
> 2. The exercise of nuntiatio shall extend the Contio, postponing
>the start and end dates of the voting period by 24 hours, during which
>time nuntiatio may again be exercised.
> 3. Should the exercise of nuntatio cause the voting period to
>move such that it conflicts with calendarical restrictions as defined by
>the Collegium Pontificum, the presiding magistrate may change or extend
>the dates of the vote and/or contio at his or her discretion.
> C. The period between the start and end of the voting must last no
>less than 192 hours (8 days).
> D. The ability to vote during the voting period may be impacted due
>to calendrical issues as enacted by decreta of the Collegium Pontificum.
> E. The rogatores shall tally the vote and shall deliver the results
>to the presiding magistrate within 48 hours of the close of the voting
>period.
> F. The presiding magistrate shall announce the results of the vote
>within 24 hours of receiving the results from the rogatores, in at least
>the same venues as the original announcement calling the vote was
>published.
>
>IV. Voting procedures.
>
> A. The censors shall issue to each citizen a unique voter
>identification code. This code shall be used to maintain anonymity in
>the voting process, and to minimize the possibility of vote fraud. In a
>timely fashion prior to the vote, the censors shall make available to
>the rogatores a list of valid voter identification codes and the tribes
>with which they are associated. The rogatores shall not have access to
>the names of the citizens associated with particular voter
>identification codes.
> B. In consultation with the rogatores, the curator araneum shall
>make available a cista; a secure web-based form to allow citizens to
>vote directly through the official Nova Roma web site. This form shall
>record the voter identification number and desired vote(s) of the
>individual. The information thus collected will either be forwarded to
>the rogatores as it is gathered, or at the end of the process, at their
>discretion. Alternative methods of voting may be enacted by other
>legislation as required.
> C. Each Citizen shall have the opportunity to vote for a single
>candidate for each office for which a vacancy exists, regardless of the
>number of vacancies within a given magistracy. Citizens may cast a vote
>for a candidate not listed on the ballot, or may waive their right to
>cast a vote for a given magistracy. Once cast, no vote may be altered,
>even with the correct voter identification code. Should multiple votes
>be registered with the same voter identification code, only the first
>one recorded shall be used when tallying the vote.
>
>V. Procedures for counting votes.
>
> A. Votes shall be counted by tribes.
> 1. In the case of a magisterial election, each tribe shall cast
>a number of votes equal to the number of vacancies for the magistracy in
>question. Votes shall be assigned to those candidates who received votes
>by members of the tribe, with those candidates receiving the most valid
>individual votes receiving the tribe's vote first, then working down in
>descending order until all the tribe's votes have been assigned.
> EXAMPLE: Four candidates are running for Tribunus Plebis.
>Each tribe casts two votes, because there are two vacant positions. In
>tribe III, there are 26 votes for candidate A, 32 votes for candidate B,
>2 votes for candidate C, and 13 votes for candidate D. The tribe's two
>votes are cast for candidates A and B, since they received the two
>highest vote-totals within the tribe.
> 2. In the case of a vote on a plebiscitum, each tribe shall vote
>in favor of the plebiscitum if a majority of the votes received by
>members of the tribe are in favor. Otherwise, the tribe shall be
>considered to have voted against the proposed plebiscitum.
> 3. Should a tie occur within a given tribe, the winner shall be
>the candidate who is a paterfamilias or materfamilias, or if such shall
>not decide the issue, the winner shall be decided by lot. The rogatores
>may decide how such decisions by lot shall be made in a fair manner.
> B. A vote or election shall be decided by a majority of the tribes.
> 1. In the case of a magisterial election, candidates must
>receive votes from at least 18 of the 35 tribes in order to win.
> a. Should not enough candidates receive votes from at least
>18 of the 35 tribes to fill all vacancies, a new election shall be
>called within 30 days from the end of the current election.
> b. Should more candidates receive votes from at least 18 of
>the 35 tribes than there are vacancies, the winner shall be the
>candidate who is a paterfamilias or materfamilias, or if such shall not
>decide the issue, the winner shall be decided by lot. The rogatores may
>decide how such decisions by lot shall be made in a fair manner.
> 2. In the case of a vote on a plebiscitum, 18 of the 35 tribes
>must vote in favor for the plebiscitum to be adopted.
> C. Votes may be tallied by automated means should the rogatores
>determine such is preferable to, and at least as accurate as, a manual
>count.
> D. Only the aggregate votes of the tribes shall be delivered to the
>presiding magistrate; the votes of individual citizens shall be secret.
>___________________
>
>Valete
>
certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Server Outage Today. |
| From: |
LSergAust@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:39:22 EST |
|
Salve Marcus Octavianus
Your skill and diligence in navigating the Ship of State through the
treacherous and stormy seas of Cyberspace is probably vastly
underappreciated only because many of us are blissfully unaware of the
technicalities and rocky shoals involved.
I salute you!
L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
On 3/24/01 11:29 AM Marcus Octavius Germanicus (haase@--------) wrote:
>
>Salvete Quirites,
>
>Today, at about 3pm CST, the server containing www.novaroma.org and
>related sites will be physically moved to a new location; thereafter
>it will have a different IP address.
>
>The reason for this can be found at http://www.northpoint.net/. In
>short, my DSL provider has gone out of business and their network
>is expected to become a "notwork" in a few days.
>
>Fortunately, by combining colocation expenses with another customer
>who has been similarly effected, we have come upon a solution that
>will provide much faster connectivity than ever before. The server
>will no longer have a mere 2/3rds of a T1 line equivalent (shared with
>several Napster-using neighbors) but will be in the ISP's office,
>with multiple redundant T1 lines to at least two backbone providers.
>
>You may have difficulty contacting the server tonight and part of
>tomorrow due to the time it takes changes in name service to propogate
>through the network. This problem will be temporary.
>
>Email service for *@-------- addresses will not be interrupted,
>as that has always been handled elsewhere.
>
>Valete, Octavius.
>
>
>--
>M. Octavius Germanicus
>Propraetor, Lacus Magni
>Curator Araneum et Senator
>
certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Soldiers Kit for sale... |
| From: |
"Aurelius Tiberius" <kminer_rsg@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:32:45 -0500 |
|
Salve all,
I wanted to take a moment and post quick note about a soldiers kit I have
for sale...
the kit consists of:
1 Lorica Segmentata size 42-44 with brass hardware from Terry Nix
1 Pompeii Gladius and Scabbard from the Terry Nix Collection also
1 set Articulated Greaves from Valentine Armories in Canada
This set is unused and in excellent shape. individually the kit would cost
over a grand. But I am selling it for $800.00 (slightly neg) I have no use
for it anymore (price of moving up the food chain in a Legio) and I've spent
a small estates worth of denarii on the splendor of an Officer's kit now.
so ....
anyone interested let me know. (you get to pick up the shipping!!)
ATR
Aurelius Tiberius Ronanus
Praefectus Legionis & Tribuni Militum Legio VI
General of the Northern Army of the SCA Household of Rome
& Cornicularius,Sodalitas Militarium et Nova Roma
"Nos Sumus Romae milites, parati stamus ad potestatem et gloriam eius. Roma
est Lux."
"we are soldiers of Rome, for her might and glory we stand ready... She is
the Light"
www.geocities.com/legio_vi
_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Upcoming Vote |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 24 Mar 2001 16:16:10 -0500 |
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Flavius Vedius Germanicus novaromanis S.P.D.
We are forced by the circumstance of the calendar to hold an election very
soon to fill the vacant position of rogatorus. I intend to call the Comitia
Populi Tributa to vote between March 27th and April 4th. Thusfar, the
following individuals have stepped forward as candidates for the position,
and I invite them to make statements to the People regarding their
candidacies:
* Franciscus Caesar Apulus
* Domna Claudia Auspicata
If anyone else wishes to run for the position, now's the time to let the
Consuls know (consuls@--------).
As long as the comitia is coming together to vote on the rogatorus, I
thought it would be convenient to take advantage of the opportunity and put
up two leges for consideration.
First, as our good Tribune of the Plebs indicated, over the last couple of
weeks, he and I have been engaged in writing a new set of voting procedures
for the comitia. The version that the Comitia Populi will be voting on is
presented below; it is essentially the same as the one proposed for the
Comitia Plebis, which a few changes here and there due to the different
nature of each comitia. (Another slightly-altered version will be presented
to the Comitia Centuriata when it is called to vote later this year.)
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LEX VEDIA DE RATIONE COMITIORUM POPULI TRIBUTORUM
I. The Lex Vedia de Ratione Eligium and Lex Vedia de Ratione Comitiorum
Populi Tributorum are hereby rescinded as they apply to the election of
magistrates and the voting of leges by the Comitia Populi Tributa. This Lex
Vedia de Ratione Comitiorum Populi Tributorum is hereby enacted to define
the procedures by which the Comitia Populi shall conduct the business of
electing magistrates and voting on leges.
II. Calling the Comitia to Order.
Either a Consul or Praetor may, as described in the Constitution, call the
Comitia to order, to hold a vote on a lex or leges, or to hold an election.
The magistrate who calls the Comitia to order shall be referred to herein as
the presiding magistrate.
A. This shall be done by making a public announcement announcing the
call in those public fora which shall have been designated for such purpose,
in which must be included:
1. The names of candidates for office and the office for which they
are running (when the Comitia is being called for an election),
2. The full text of any leges which are being voted on (when the
Comitia is being called to legislate),
3. The dates when the members of the Comitia shall begin and finish
voting,
4. Any special instructions that pertain to the mechanics of the
vote, if any.
B. The presiding magistrate shall have the responsibility for taking all
reasonable precautions to ensure that candidates for a vote hold whatever
qualifications are required by law. The Censors shall assist in such efforts
as to the best of their ability.
III. Timing of the vote.
A. The edictum containing the call to vote must be issued at least 120
hours (5 days) prior to the start of the vote. This period shall be known as
the Contio, and shall be used for formal discussion of the issues and/or
candidates before the People for vote.
B. During the Contio, the following conditions shall apply:
1. Those Constitutionally empowered to do so may exercise their
powers of intercessio or nuntiatio.
a. The exercise of intercessio shall cancel the vote or election
outright, although another call with the same items may be made at a later
date.
b. The exercise of nuntiatio shall extend the Contio, postponing
the start and end dates of the voting period by 24 hours, during which time
nuntiatio may again be exercised.
c. Should the exercise of nuntatio cause the voting period to
move such that it conflicts with calendarical restrictions as defined by the
Collegium Pontificum, the presiding magistrate may change or extend the
dates of the vote and/or contio at his discretion.
2. A member of the Collegium Augurum shall be invited by the
presiding magistrate to seek favorable auspices for the conduct of the vote,
subject to those rules and regulations the Collegium Augurum shall set forth
by decreta. Should the presiding magistrate himself be a member of the
Collegium Augurum, he may take the auspices for the vote himself.
C. The period between the start and end of the voting must last no less
than 192 hours (8 days).
D. The ability to vote during the voting period may be impacted due to
calendrical issues as enacted by decreta of the Collegium Pontificum.
E. The rogatores shall tally the vote and shall deliver the results to
the presiding magistrate within 48 hours of the close of the voting period.
F. The presiding magistrate shall announce the results of the vote
within 24 hours of receiving the results from the rogatores, in at least the
same venues as the original announcement calling the vote was published.
IV. Voting procedures.
A. The censors shall issue to each citizen a unique voter identification
code. This code shall be used to maintain anonymity in the voting process,
and to minimize the possibility of vote fraud. In a timely fashion prior to
the a vote, the censors shall make available to the rogatores a list of
valid voter identification codes and the centuries and/or tribes with which
they are associated. The rogatores shall not have access to the names of the
citizens associated with particular voter identification codes.
B. In consultation with the rogatores, the curator araneum shall make
available a cista; a secure web-based form to allow citizens to vote
directly through the official Nova Roma web site. This form shall record the
voter identification number and desired vote(s) of the individual. The
information thus collected will either be forwarded to the rogatores as it
is gathered, or at the end of the process, at their discretion. Alternative
methods of voting may be enacted by other legislation as required.
C. Each Citizen shall have the opportunity to vote for a single
candidate for each office for which a vacancy exists, regardless of the
number of vacancies within a given magistracy. Citizens may cast a vote for
a candidate not listed on the ballot, or may waive their right to cast a
vote for a given magistracy. Once cast, no vote may be altered, even with
the correct voter identification code. Should multiple votes be registered
with the same voter identification code, only the first one recorded shall
be used when tallying the vote.
V. Procedures for counting votes.
A. Votes shall be counted by tribes.
1. In the case of a magisterial election, each tribe shall cast a
number of votes equal to the number of vacancies for the magistracy in
question. Votes shall be assigned to those candidates who received votes by
members of the tribe, with those candidates receiving the most valid
individual votes receiving the tribe's vote first, then working down in
descending order until all the tribe's votes have been assigned.
EXAMPLE: Four candidates are running for Consul. Each tribe casts
two votes, because there are two vacant positions. In tribe III, there are
26 votes for candidate A, 32 votes for candidate B, 2 votes for candidate C,
and 13 votes for candidate D. The tribe's two votes are cast for candidates
A and B, since they received the two highest vote-totals within the tribe.
2. In the case of a vote on a lex, each tribe shall vote in favor of
the lex if a majority of the votes received by members of the tribe are in
favor. Otherwise, the tribe shall be considered to have voted against the
proposed lex.
3. Should a tie occur within a given tribe, the winner shall be the
candidate who is a paterfamilias or materfamilias, or if such shall not
decide the issue, the winner shall be decided by lot. The rogatores may
decide how such decisions by lot shall be made in a fair manner.
B. A vote or election shall be decided by a majority of the tribes.
1. In the case of a magisterial election, candidates must receive
votes from at least 18 of the 35 tribes in order to win.
a. Should not enough candidates receive votes from at least 18
of the 35 tribes to fill all vacancies, a new election shall be called
within 30 days from the end of the current election.
b. Should more candidates receive votes from at least 18 of the
35 tribes than there are vacancies, the winner shall be the candidate who is
a paterfamilias or materfamilias, or if such shall not decide the issue, the
winner shall be decided by lot. The rogatores may decide how such decisions
by lot shall be made in a fair manner.
2. In the case of a vote on a lex, 18 of the 35 tribes must vote in
favor for the lex to be adopted.
C. Votes may be tallied by automated means should the rogatores
determine such is preferable to, and at least as accurate as, a manual
count.
D. Only the aggregate votes of the tribes shall be delivered to the
presiding magistrate; the votes of individual citizens shall be secret.
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In addition, I would ask that the Comitia vote on Fortunatus' proposal
regarding extending the power to issue edicta to members of the
Vigintisexviri (i.e., the webmaster, list moderator, newsletter editor, and
voting officials). The lex which I would like to see enacted is presented
below, and is essentially the same as that which he presented last month,
with one minor change to the wording of paragraph II.C. Specifically, I took
out the reference to disciplinary action; do we really want the curator
sermo to issue an edictum every time someone is given a warning? (Note that
such an edictum could still be issued; it just isn't recommended
specifically.)
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LEX LABIENIA DE EDICTIUM VIGINTISEXVIRIS
I. Pursuant to section IV.A.8 of the constitution, which allows the
Vigintisexviri to be defined and assigned functions by law, it is recognized
that it is constitutional and lawful to assign to these magistrates those
powers that are reasonable and necessary to perform those functions.
II. Therefore, the Vigintisexviri are hereby given the power to issue
edicta, subject to the following restrictions.
A. Edicta issued by a member of the Vigintisexviri shall reasonably and
demonstrably fall under the purview of the specific functions assigned to
that member of the Vigintisexviri by law.
B. All edicta issued by a member of the Vigintisexviri shall be subject
in all ways to the laws that regulate edicta issued by other magistrates.
C. Members of the Vigintisexviri are advised that not all actions they
take must be announced by edicta. It is strongly suggested that the use of
edicta be restricted to those actions that require some force of law, such
as long-term policies.
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Please bear in mind that this is not an official call to vote; it is merely
presented for informational purposes, so that the matters may be discussed
informally. Any comments, questions, corrections to my latin, etc. are more
than welcome, as always.
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
"For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
bad one." (Crassus, in the film "Spartacus")
email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
ICQ: 106199729
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Edictum Praetoricium about the appointment of provincial legates |
| From: |
Caius Flavius Diocletianus <3s@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:36:45 +0100 |
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Ex Officio Praetoris Germaniae
Edictum Praetoricium
about the appointment of Legates
I. Citizen Quintus Quinctilius Varus Galili is hereby appointed as
Legatus for the Germania Superior Region.
II. Citizen Maximianus Flavius Herculius is hereby appointed as Legatus
for the Regions of Raetia and Noricum.
III. This edictum becomes effective immediately.
Given march 24th, in the year of the consulship of Flavius Vedius
Germanicus and Marcus Cassius Iulianus, 2754 AUC.
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Praetor, Senator
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re:A Idea for Real World NR |
| From: |
Tiberius Iucundius Maritimus Britannicus <tiberius_iucundius@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:13:31 -0800 (PST) |
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Salve,
I have read with interest the idea put forth of NR
setteling and island, the idea struck me at first as
ridiculous but on second glance and discussion with a
friend from Williamsburg, Virginia the idea is
plausible. The aquisiton of the island, and obtaining
a level of self-government, would be the tricky but
not entirely impossible. If the island was planned as
a completely Roman society, and dedicated to
traditional Roman industries, it could receive initial
funding from UNESCO and Ministry of Tourism of the
country maintaining ownership of the island. The
island would be autonomus and host both academic study
by living history and limited tourism. A very similar
idea was used, on a far more limited scale, to open a
Roman themed restaurant (the Culinaria Cardo)in
Jerusalem, Israel. This restaurant would be packed
nightly and only had limited space for guests creating
both an interest based on history and exclusivity.
Imagine the possible revenue stream which could be
generated by an historically correct Roman Island
Resort where all living on the island, including
guests, live correct to period or as close as
possible.
This project does not need to be located in Italy, it
could be viable any where in the old or new world with
suitable climate.
I invite all feedback.
Tiberius Iucundius Maritimus Britanicus
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Upcoming Vote |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:51:32 -0500 |
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Salvete;
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Flavius Vedius Germanicus [mailto:germanicus@--------]
> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 4:16 PM
>
> Thusfar, the
> following individuals have stepped forward as candidates for the position,
> and I invite them to make statements to the People regarding their
> candidacies:
>
> * Franciscus Caesar Apulus
> * Domna Claudia Auspicata
My apologies. The first name should read "Franciscus Apulia Caesar".
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
"For Gracchus, hatred of the Patrician class is a profession, and not such a
bad one." (Crassus, in the film "Spartacus")
email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
ICQ: 106199729
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
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