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Subject:	[novaroma] For the novaromans of Argentina. Para los argentinos novaromanos
From:	octavianuslucius@--------
Date:	Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:33:46 -0000

Saludos a todos los novaromanos argentinos.
Me gustaría tener una respuesta si están interesados en el chat del
día 1 de Abril a las 17:00 hora local (gmt -3). En caso de no tener
respuesta quedará anulado.Saludos cordiales.

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor provinciae Argentinae


Subject:	[novaroma] Venator returns
From:	Piparskegg UllRsson <catamount_grange@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:35:13 -0600

Salvete Omnes,

The get together for men and women who subscribe to an Heathen list I help moderate is done.

We had almost 40 people there, including 8 or 9 children.

It went very well!!!

--
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In Amicus sub Fidelis, Benedicte Omnes!
- Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
Cives, Paterfamilias Gens Ulleria


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Venator returns
From:	"Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:37:19 -0800

Ave,

I am glad your meeting was a success....I am also glad your back!

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: "Piparskegg UllRsson" <catamount_grange@-------->
To: "Nova Roman Forum" <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 4:35 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Venator returns

> Salvete Omnes,
>
> The get together for men and women who subscribe to an Heathen list I help
moderate is done.
>
> We had almost 40 people there, including 8 or 9 children.
>
> It went very well!!!
>
> --
> ===========================================
> In Amicus sub Fidelis, Benedicte Omnes!
> - Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
> Cives, Paterfamilias Gens Ulleria
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>


Subject:	[novaroma] Edictum tertium provinciae Argentinae
From:	octavianuslucius@--------
Date:	Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:27:48 -0000

English
Third provincial edict of Argentina

All the official announcements of the province Argentina will be
published only in the official mailing list of the province and/or
the main list of Nova Roma. As an alternative, a webpage dedicated to
the announcements and/or news of the province can be found at the
official provincial web site.
Each novaroman-argentinian citizen will be responsible for getting
informed on the published provincial announcements and /or news.

Scribebam Bonariae a.d. VI Kal. Apr. MMDCCLIV a.u.c.

Español
Tercer edicto provincial de Argentina

Todos los anuncios oficiales de la provincia Argentina serán
publicados únicamente en la lista oficial de la provincia y/o en la
lista principal de Nova Roma. Como alternativa, en el sitio oficial
provincial se puede encontrar una página dedicada a los anuncios y/o
noticias.
Cada ciudadano novaromano-argentino será responsable de informarse de
los anuncios y/o noticias provinciales publicados.

Scribebam Bonariae a.d. VI Kal. Apr. MMDCCLIV a.u.c.


Subject:	[novaroma] My Resignation
From:	"Adrian Gunn" <shinjikun@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:14:10 -0500

Salvete,

I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus to herby resign from position of Legatus of
Massachusetts, and withdraw my citizenship from Nova Roma. Due to my
inexcusable personal conduct, I feel I no longer have the right to call my
self a citizen or Roman. I apologize to all to all those I have let down by
with my irresponsible behavior and hope that someday they may find it in
their hearts to forgive me. I wish you good fortune, and want you all to
know you all will be in my prayers.

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] My Resignation
From:	Piparskegg UllRsson <catamount_grange@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:21:39 -0600

Salvete,

Adrian Gunn wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
> I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus to herby resign from position of Legatus of
> Massachusetts, and withdraw my citizenship from Nova Roma. Due to my
> inexcusable personal conduct, I feel I no longer have the right to call my
> self a citizen or Roman. I apologize to all to all those I have let down by
> with my irresponsible behavior and hope that someday they may find it in
> their hearts to forgive me. I wish you good fortune, and want you all to
> know you all will be in my prayers.
>
> Valete,
>
> C. Minucius Hadrianus
>

All righty now!? Someone care to explain this one to me?

Last post I saw from Hadrianus was a good one on the recent weapons thread.

Off list replies gladly accepted.

========================================
In Amicus sub Fidelis, Benedicte Omnes!
- Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator


Subject:	[novaroma] The current vote
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:31:45 -0500

Salvete, omnes

I just wanted to take a moment to explain the basics of the Lex Vedia de
Ratione Comitiorum Populi Tributorum, which is currently up for a vote in
the Comitia Populi.

The basic premise behind the law is to bring our voting procedures more in
line with the way things were done in Roma Antiqua. Both Titus Labienus
Fortunatus and I worked on the language for the law (he will be presenting
an almost-identical bill in the Comitia Plebis), and I think it's a much
better system than what we currently have in place.

Here's the "highlight" version:

* Augury is required before a vote, and the ability of the Collegium
Pontificum to make days non-votable through the calendar is established.
* Laws are formally discussed for five days (the "contio"), and then
voting takes place for 8 days.
* Each tribe casts a number of votes equal to the number of vacant
magistracies. Thus, when voting for the Consuls, each tribe gets 2 votes.
Whichever two candidates gets the highest and second-highest number of
votes, gets the vote of that tribe.
* The winner in an election is determined when someone gets votes from a
majority of the tribes. So, basically, you need 18 of the 35 tribes to cast
a vote for you to win.
* Ties are won by paterfamilitates first, but by lot if both or neither is
a paterfamilias.

I do hope everyone will find themselves able to support this law. I think
it's an important step forward in bringing our election process closer to
the ancient model, as well as being tighter and more generally sound than
the current version.

Next year in the Forum!

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

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AIM: Flavius Vedius
ICQ: 106199729
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] jerry Falwel reviews Gladiator!
From:	QFabiusMax@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:26:00 EST

In a message dated 3/27/2001 3:33:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, asseri@--------
writes:

<< I don't think that legally I can forward it. but maybe i can find out
where
else it may be
on the web >>
Actually you can copy it and repost it as long as you give the original
author, and posting publication credit. I.E. Author Steve Phenow, repost
from the Stategikon, http://strategikonmag.com/
Then you are not plagiarizing or obscuring the source.
Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus


Subject:	[novaroma] Edictum tertium provinciae Argentinae
From:	octavianuslucius@--------
Date:	Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:27:48 -0000


Subject:	[novaroma] =?iso-8859-1?B?RldEOiBQaW91cyBQYWdhbnM=?=
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Date:	Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:43:23 -0500

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Last Trumpet for MithraCon IV
From:	margali <margali@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:49:32 -0500

Do they have day trip rates? I live in Eastern CT [Canterbury] and I
might be able to make it if I don't have a bad back day. Can you pretty
please forward me some more info?
Thanks
margali
Hyapatia Asinia Margali

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The Island idea..
From:	"Marcus Darius Ursus" <marcus_darius@-------->
Date:	Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:33:00 -0700

Salve,

My friends and I actually did some research a few years ago into acquiring
an offshore island that could be made into an independently governed island
with minimal fuss. (I should mention that some of my friends are self-styled
hackers who would love to use an island as a data haven and the others just
don't want to pay taxes anymore.)

After a couple days of research we came to the conclusion that there are no
more unclaimed islands left, but these are a few that could possibly be up
for sale/disposal in a few years. I have included sizes, geographic location
and current ownership. If you would like further information, just check the
CIA factbook, all of these islands are listed.

Up until a few months ago, the Palmyra Atoll was part of this list, but has
since been acquired by the Nature Conservatory.

* Baker Island, Geographic coordinates: 0 13 N, 176 31 W, less than 1 sq.
mile (U.S. Territory)
* Clipperton Island, Geographic coordinates: 10 17 N, 109 13 W, 4.25 sq.
miles (Possession of France)
* Europa Island, Geographic coordinates: 22 20 S, 40 22 E, 17.5 sq. miles
(Possession of France)
* Glorioso Islands, (includes Ile Glorieuse, Ile du Lys, Verte Rocks, Wreck
Rock, and South Rock) Geographic coordinates: 11 30 S, 47 20 E, 3.13 sq.
miles (Possession of France)
* Howland Island, Geographic coordinates: 0 48 N, 176 38 W, 1 sq. mile (U.S.
Territory)
* Jarvis Island, Geographic coordinates: 0 22 S, 160 03 W, 2.8 sq. miles
(U.S. Territory)
* Johnston Atoll, Geographic coordinates: 16 45 N, 169 30 W, 1.75 sq. miles
(U.S. Territory)
* Juan de Nova Island, Geographic coordinates: 17 03 S, 42 45 E, 2.75 sq.
miles (Possession of France)
* Midway Islands, Geographic coordinates: 28 13 N, 177 22 W, 4 sq. miles
(U.S. Territory)
* Navassa Island, Geographic coordinates: 18 25 N, 75 02 W, 3.25 sq. miles
(U.S. Territory)
* Tromelin Island, Geographic coordinates: 15 52 S, 54 25 E, 0.75 sq. mile
(Possession of France)
* Wake Island, Geographic coordinates: 19 17 N, 166 36 E, 4 sq. miles (U.S.
Territory)

Of course, I have taken out all islands that have an Arctic/Antarctic
climate or are actively claimed by more that one country (South Georgia,
Spratly's). There are also several Central/South American countries that
would happily sell one or several of their islands if the price is right.

Marcus Darius Ursus
Paterfamilias Daria
Legatus for the Regio of Athabasca
Provincia of Canada Occidentalis
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The Island idea..
From:	SkaldElf@--------
Date:	Wed, 28 Mar 2001 04:34:44 EST

Ave,

I remember the Palmyra Atoll, I sent contributions along with other members
through GreenPeace, so the Nature Conservatory could acquire it. Thank you
Darius for your contributing idea.

Vale,
Aeternia

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Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem V Kalendas Aprilias (March 28)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:09:44 +0100

Salvete omnes

This is one of the dies comitiales (C), when committees of citizens could
vote on political or criminal matters.

The festivals of Attis and Cybele continue. The fact that Roman citizens
cannot become Galli does not mean that they cannot occupy other priesthoods
of the cult. Communities of worshipers or 'sodalicia' (e.g. the dendrophori
or tree-bearers, the canophori or reed-bearers, the cernophori or
testicle-bearers (see below)) are organised, each temple is headed by a
couple of "sacerdotes", and circa 160 AD the 'archigallus' priesthood
appears.
The archigallus is a senior priest appointed by the state (by the
Quindecemviri Sacris Faciundis who supervised the cult) specially related to
this day of March 28th, the day of initiation of sacerdotes into the
Mysteries through the Taurobolium and Criobolium sacrifices. These replace
self-emasculation with
the sacrifice of a Bull and Ram respectively (it is possible that similar
substitution rites already existed for the initiation of sacerdotes before
160 AD).
The Taurobolia started by being offered "pro salute Imperatoris" ("for the
health of the Emperor" and thus related to the state cult) but gradually
became baptisms of blood, and by the 3rd century AD, these sacrifices had
acquired their final shape. In this last form, the initiate sacerdos (the
'tauroboliatus') is put on a pit covered with a plaque with holes, below the
bull. He is dressed
as a traditional Roman sacrificer ("sacrificator"), wearing the toga in
'Gabino ritu', i.e. covering the head ('capite velato'). The bull is also
prepared in the
traditional way. As the archigallus sacrifices the bull, the blood that
protrudes from the wound falls into the pit and the initiate receives a bath
of blood. The genitals of the bull are carried by the cernophori. After
that,
if the initiate has the means (the sacrifice is performed at the expense of
the initiate),
the Taurobolium is complemented with a Criobolium (the sacrifice of a ram)
in which the
genitals also play an important role as evoking the castration of Attis and
the Galli. The initiate is then shown to the audience and says the
following:
"I've eaten from the drums, I've drunk from the cymbal, I've become a
'mystes' of Attis"
A few other rites such as a mystical banquet and hierogamie (symbolic
nuptial union with Cybele) complete the ceremony. In this day, the initiated
sacerdos dies and is reborn like Attis to join the Great Mother of the Gods
(Magna
Mater Deorum). This sacrifice is usually renewed every 20 years.

Valete bene in Pace Deorum
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex


Subject:	[novaroma] Fw: Appius Cato new E-mail Address
From:	"A. Cato" <a.cato@-------->
Date:	Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:31:00 -0500

----- Original Message -----
From: A. Cato
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:17 AM
Subject: Appius Cato new E-mail Address

Salve: Bell has finally hooked me up to Sympatico High Speed internet service. After some configuration problems it seems that I can send E-mail. My new E-mail address is a.cato@-------- Hopefully everything will go smoothly from here on, but I never totally trust these things and won't put total faith in it until I have had it for a few days. (and not even then);-). Any E-mail sent to me in the last few days has not been received. Vale: Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, ... a.cato@--------

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] FWD: Pious Pagans
From:	mystic@--------
Date:	Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:39:54 -0500

Quoting asseri@--------:

> This Beliefnet article is being sent to you by P.A. Drusila:
>
> Pious Pagans
>
>
http://www.Beliefnet.com/frameset.asp?boardID=13519&pageloc=/story/72/story_7277
_1.html

Thank you very much for the link. I found the article entertaining and
enlighting.

Vale,
Marcus Alabus Thule

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Subject:	[novaroma] Fw: Appius Cato new E-mail Address
From:	"A. Cato" <a.cato@-------->
Date:	Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:56:21 -0500

Salve: This is just a test to make sure that my account with my new E-mail address is working with Yahoogroups. If this message was already received please forgive this copy. Vale, ... Appius Cato, ... a.cato@--------

----- Original Message -----
From: A. Cato
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:17 AM
Subject: Appius Cato new E-mail Address

Salve: Bell has finally hooked me up to Sympatico High Speed internet service. After some configuration problems it seems that I can send E-mail. My new E-mail address is a.cato@-------- Hopefully everything will go smoothly from here on, but I never totally trust these things and won't put total faith in it until I have had it for a few days. (and not even then);-). Any E-mail sent to me in the last few days has not been received. Vale: Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, ... a.cato@--------

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The Island idea..
From:	margali <margali@-------->
Date:	Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:13:24 -0500

The next main consideration is availability of water, amount of arable
land, and 'spa' considerations [nice beach area, possible mineral
springs, pleasing environment, nice views.]

I think another consideration is very important.

To my way of understanding, Nova Roma is based on the desire to bring
the values and principles of Rome to our lives as we live now. Not 2000
years ago. The Romans combined tradition with the novel. Do we want to
regress to living like they lived 2000 years ago, or do we want to live
our lives by bringing the values and principals to our modern lives? I
personally feel that we can live a perfectly modern convenience life
with the principals and values of the Romans without the trappings of
togas, homes with no modern conveniences and nothing we didn't produce.
I have no desire to be amish!

If we want to have a small resort area that recreates the central area
of Pompeii before the volcanic eruption, I could see it. I have no
desire to actually live without electricity and my computer. I don't see
why we have to forgo 2000 years of advancement to be the new romans.
Granted I know how to drop spin, and I have made a garment from raising
the sheep to finished. I have no desire to make all of my clothing that
way. I am handicapped, I would kill myself through overwork doing this.
I know how to make cheese, but I don't make all the cheese I eat ;-)

If you want to lose 2000 years of advancement, you can go live in a
small village on a greek island somewhere. IF we want to be a productive
modern country on our island, we have to choose to be modern. We can
live according to the virtues of Rome without losing our modern
advantages. We have to be modern to make a GNP that will support us,
whether it is off shore banking/computer support or running a resort.
margali
Hyapatia Asinia Margali

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Subject:	[novaroma] Nova Roma webmaster
From:	Andrea Gladia Kyrinia <andrea_gladia@-------->
Date:	Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:42:43 -0800 (PST)

Salvete,

I am directing this to the group because I am hoping to reaach a "live
person." To whom would I speak regarding a links submission on the
Nova Roma website?

Valete,

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Subject:	[novaroma] Gladiator question
From:	mystic@--------
Date:	Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:46:27 -0500

Salvete,
I was watching Gladiator the other night and it sparked a question that has some
bearing on some of my current research. When Maximus, Proximo and the other
gladiators arrive in Rome Proximo askes a God for good fortune. I have not been
able to determine what God he was appealing to. My gut says Fortuna but I'm not
100% certian. Does anyone else on this list have any ideas, insight or even
know?

Valete,
Marcus Alabus Thule

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Gladiator question
From:	QFabiusMax@--------
Date:	Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:29:29 EST

In a message dated 3/28/2001 9:52:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mystic@-------- writes:

<< was watching Gladiator the other night and it sparked a question that has
some
bearing on some of my current research. When Maximus, Proximo and the other
gladiators arrive in Rome Proximo askes a God for good fortune. I have not
been
able to determine what God he was appealing to. My gut says Fortuna but I'm
not
100% certian. Does anyone else on this list have any ideas, insight or even
know?

Valete,

>>
Salve Marcus Alabus Thule.
HA HA!
I have to laugh because they had not a clue whose benediction they were
asking for.
We have no idea who the Patron of the games (if any) were. We can assume
that each slave had his or her personal god that was expected to watch over
them in combat.
If I was to pick any goddess then indeed Fortuna springs to mind, but she was
never a warrior goddess. We have found shrines in arenas in Gaul dedicated
to Rudinias, the Southern Kelt's war god, so war gods may have been the
choice, at least for southern Kelts. Minerva was mentioned in several
sources. However this was in reference to the spectators and not the
combatants. The plain fact is we simply don't know... A Pompeian tomb
relief of a supposed city Aedile, shows in the procession (pompa) before the
opening of a Iudi. A ferculum (portable altar) is carried, with two
crouching figures who have been tentatively identified as Hercules and
Nemesis, remember also that Commodus dressed as Hercules before his fights in
the Arena. Perhaps Hercules was involved in someway.
Interestingly, Fors Fortuna's festival is coming up on the 25th of May
and Fortuna Publica's is April 5th.
Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus
Pontiff


Subject:	[novaroma] A los argentinos / for the argentines citizens
From:	octavianuslucius@--------
Date:	Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:02:06 -0000

Saludos a todos.
Me gustaría tener una respuesta si están interesados en el chat del
día 1 de Abril a las 17:00 hora local (gmt -3). En caso de no tener
respuesta quedará anulado.
Saludos cordiales

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor provinciae Argentinae


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: jerry Falwel reviews Gladiator!
From:	lsicinius@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:03:20 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, m--------c@t... wrote:
> Quoting --------ri@--------:
>
> > Good moning all,
> > While I was checking my mail I noticed on AOL this day has a
> > movie
> > review of Gladiator on the welcome page. He really liked the
movie and
> > found
> > value in many parts of it. So if you have AOL you might want to
read it.
>
> I would be interested in reading it. I am not on AOL. Would you mind
> forwarding it to the list?
>
> Valete,
> Marcus Albus Thule
>

Salvete,
Citizens, Please be Careful about forwarding material to the list. The
review by Rev. Fallwell is probelly Copyrighted. There is allways a
chance that forwarding Copyrighted material to this list can get you
and Nova Roma into legal trouble.

Under US copyright law you can quote portions of the article and
include a link to where the entire article may be read. This is called
fair use. You are in violation of the copyright laws if you copy the
entire article and repost it here or elsewhere. AOL has one of the
most agressive legal staffs in the industry. Don't mess with AOL!

Valete,
Lucius Sicinius Drusus