| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Gladiator question: Scripts |
| From: |
qimaster@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 01 Apr 2001 00:45:35 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, gcassiusnerva@c... wrote:
> --- In novaroma@--------, "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@r...> wrote:
> <<Surely we can get a definitive answer on this one - did not
someone
> do a post here the other day when they said that they actually
looked
> at the original movie script for Dreamworks "Maximus"..surely the
> script will tell as it usually goes into far heavier detail - is
> there a book out on the movie etc., anyone know ???>>
I have a first draft copy of the script, and it does differ a great
deal from the final version we have seen on the screen. I would have
liked to have seen the stuff in the first draft on the big screen. I
think it would have been far more exciting:)
Theodorus Tiberius Germanicus
qimaster @ hotmail.com
>
> The original movie script was not titled 'Maximus' because there
was
> no character called 'Maximus'. The male lead was a general called
> Narcissus, and the title of David Franzoni's script
was 'Gladiator'.
> It was drafted in 1998, only 3 years ago.
>
> Only in later drafts was Narcissus replaced by Maximus. The scene
> with Proximo and the statue was also not in that original
screenplay
> to my recollection.
>
> There is a book out on the movie. GLADIATOR-The Making of the
Ridley
> Scott Epic. ISBN 1-55704-431-7
>
> Nerva
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Invalid Voter Codes |
| From: |
"A. Cato" <a.cato@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:36:00 -0500 |
|
Salvete Omnes: This is a list of invalid voter codes. Those citizens whose tracking numbers are listed here are advised to try to vote again. If there are any further problems, please contact the Censores or Rogatores.
Vale, ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, ... Rogator
Tracking Number
# 4015
4018
4021
4024
4027
4063
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] RE: More Roman movies coming... |
| From: |
QFabiusMax@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:27:57 EST |
|
In a message dated 3/31/2001 6:09:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mark.devry@-------- writes:
<< but the only
definate is Atilla the Hun, focusing especially on the battle of Chalons
(pardon the spelling) which is very late empire, but still Roman
non-the-less. >>
It aired on USA several weeks ago.
QFM
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] CANDIDATES STATEMENT |
| From: |
"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Mar 2001 21:37:57 -0600 |
|
31 Mar 2001
Salve All
I would like to repost this message as in first time I sent there where some "Technology" problems and things did not happen the way I wanted them to. So, here it is again!
CANDIDATES STATEMENT
First of all I would like to tell everyone that I am very honored to be able to run for the Position of Tribune of the Plebs. I will pledge to all that should I win; all duties of the office will be executed to the best of my abilities. Those of you that know me will understand that I stand by what I believe, and I believe in Roma! I believe that we must watch over our Republic, and ensure that she develops into as true a representation of Old Roma as possible. We in Nova Roma do not have the same luxury as our forbears in Old Roma, in that they had many generations to expand and consolidate.
Because of technology, our entire Republic operates, as Old Roma never could. Our Micro-nation is growing quickly, and there nothing wrong with expansion, but we must always beware of being blinded by the light of all our individual dreams of what we want Nova Roma to be. We have lost some good people of late, and some of the departures were due to disillusionment over our development. We must not think that we are able to fill every institution, and make great leaps in administrative organization. This is only possible after many trials and tribulations.
What we must do in order to ensure our future is to always keep our eyes on the Traditions of Old Rome, and only make developments after deciding that we are upholding those traditions. It would be a shame if after the passage of some time, because of our desire for change, we find ourselves with a Micro-nation that is a shell of those great institutions of Old Roma. This will be the close of my first address to the people, in the hopes that it has made you aware of the great seriousness of what it is we are working toward. Once more thank you for your time.
Vale
Quintus Sertorius
Queastor
Nova Roma
Propraetor
Canada Occidentalis
Join the Main List for Nova Roma
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/novaroma
Join the egroup for Canada Occidentalis
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_CanOcc
Join the egroup for the Quintus Sertorius of Old Rome
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sertorii
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Last Trumpet for MithraCon IV |
| From: |
"J. T. Sibley" <jrsibley@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 01 Apr 2001 00:02:45 -0500 |
|
margali wrote:
> It is a long enduring condition [from 1980] that plagues me, but I would
> rather have a bum knee that bothers me when the weather chan...wait, I
> have one of those too ;-) I am very functional, just now and then
> [especially in this fickle
> weather] it gives me trouble.
Well, if you think that you can make it, it'd be great to have you come. I
still recommend you and your husband getting a hotel room for Saturday night,
though; would make things easier for you. You could stay for the discussions
and then just crash, rather than face a long drive home. Let me know what
you're planning to do?
> Never been in the Yale Library - I hope I can make it, i 'collect' neat
> libraries. I had a blast with UCONN's law library in Hartford when I read
> for paralegal a few years back. I must have been a bookworm in my last
> incarnation!
You'd go *crazy* in Sterling Memorial, you betcha!
jane
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] my first novaroman birthday |
| From: |
octavianuslucius@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 01 Apr 2001 05:27:07 -0000 |
|
Salvete omnes quirites
Today Kal.Apr MMDCCLIV a.u.c (April the first, 2001 A.D.) is my first
anniversary as a novaroman citizen. For me is a day for celebrating
like my real birthday. It is a joyous day.
In the first year as novaroman citizen some of my dreams came already
true. Now, the province of Argentina is already a reality, and all
its novaroman citizens have our own local room for comunication among
us.
One year after joining Roma Nova, I find myself as a candidate for
the position of Tribunus plebis.
I post this message because I wish to share my joy with all of you.
And thanks a lot to all of you who offered your friendships.
MAXIMAS GRATIAS VOBIS OMNIBUS AGO!!!!.
Valete bene et habete fortunam bonam
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor Provinciae Argentinae
Candidate to the position of tribunus plebis
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] my first novaroman birthday |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:07:54 -0800 |
|
Ave,
As the person who approved your application, let me say congratulations!
:)
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor of Nova Roma
octavianuslucius@-------- wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes quirites
>
> Today Kal.Apr MMDCCLIV a.u.c (April the first, 2001 A.D.) is my first
> anniversary as a novaroman citizen. For me is a day for celebrating
> like my real birthday. It is a joyous day.
> In the first year as novaroman citizen some of my dreams came already
> true. Now, the province of Argentina is already a reality, and all
> its novaroman citizens have our own local room for comunication among
> us.
> One year after joining Roma Nova, I find myself as a candidate for
> the position of Tribunus plebis.
> I post this message because I wish to share my joy with all of you.
> And thanks a lot to all of you who offered your friendships.
> MAXIMAS GRATIAS VOBIS OMNIBUS AGO!!!!.
>
> Valete bene et habete fortunam bonam
>
> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
> Propraetor Provinciae Argentinae
> Candidate to the position of tribunus plebis
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] my first novaroman birthday |
| From: |
"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:29:15 -0600 |
|
Congratulations Lucius! Great news indeed! My Birthday was not long ago..
There must be many Nova Romans that have had this same experience, or are
anticipating have it.... To you, my friend, and to all those in NR that
feel the same pleasure in there Nova Roman accomplishments, lets continue
our march of personal nation building.
QS
----- Original Message -----
From: <octavianuslucius@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 11:27 PM
Subject: [novaroma] my first novaroman birthday
> Salvete omnes quirites
>
> Today Kal.Apr MMDCCLIV a.u.c (April the first, 2001 A.D.) is my first
> anniversary as a novaroman citizen. For me is a day for celebrating
> like my real birthday. It is a joyous day.
> In the first year as novaroman citizen some of my dreams came already
> true. Now, the province of Argentina is already a reality, and all
> its novaroman citizens have our own local room for comunication among
> us.
> One year after joining Roma Nova, I find myself as a candidate for
> the position of Tribunus plebis.
> I post this message because I wish to share my joy with all of you.
> And thanks a lot to all of you who offered your friendships.
> MAXIMAS GRATIAS VOBIS OMNIBUS AGO!!!!.
>
> Valete bene et habete fortunam bonam
>
> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
> Propraetor Provinciae Argentinae
> Candidate to the position of tribunus plebis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Island idea.. a new twist |
| From: |
tflacco@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Apr 2001 00:17:25 EST |
|
Salve Roma,
I don't want to get to much in the realm of science fiction. But, there is
another option.
In myth; Romulus and Ramus were the first Kings of Roma. Well, Romulas killed
Ramus and became king. They were both the sons of MARS.
All science fiction aside. Sometime in the next 100 years. Humans will be
living on Mars. That's a fact, not science fiction.
I suggest we posture our self into a position where we will be the
government when there is one. Yes, I know it will probably be long after we
all are gone. But Rome wasn't built in a day!
Rome's birth was from the god MARS we should honor him by making his name
sake our home!!!!
I have some Ideas that could make this possible but I need help. Are there
any Romans who want to get on this band wagon. I think my means will bring
positive attention to our citizenship. If there is interest, (Especially in
the Senate) then we can start moving.
Give me your point counter points, I have thick skin! I am a Roman. By
joining, and by Blood.
Scipio Flaccus Americus Tim Flacco --
P.S. or should that be E.S. If you want to reply directly and not
through the message board send all corispondance to
Scipio_america@--------
Chaio
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Island idea.. a new twist |
| From: |
"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Apr 2001 10:04:35 +0200 |
|
Salve Scipio Flacce,
(snipped)
> I suggest we posture our self into a position where we will be the
> government when there is one. Yes, I know it will probably be long after
we
> all are gone. But Rome wasn't built in a day!
>
> Rome's birth was from the god MARS we should honor him by making his name
> sake our home!!!!
>
> I have some Ideas that could make this possible but I need help. Are there
> any Romans who want to get on this band wagon. I think my means will bring
> positive attention to our citizenship. If there is interest, (Especially
in
> the Senate) then we can start moving.
>
> Give me your point counter points, I have thick skin! I am a Roman. By
> joining, and by Blood.
Nova Roma is built on the planet Mars in the sf novel I'm currently writing,
and posting chapters from now and then here and on the list of the Sodalitas
Musarum. So, it's not such a crazy idea at all, unless I'm as crazy as you
are :).
Vale bene!
Draco
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Island idea.. a new twist |
| From: |
exitil@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Apr 2001 06:35:50 EDT |
|
I just have to say that with the recent posts about Nova Roma on Mars, this
organization begins to seem childish, and even more lacking of a true purpose
than ever before.
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Island idea.. a new twist |
| From: |
"A. Cato" <a.cato@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:09:01 -0400 |
|
Salve to the unsigned who posted the below message: I would like to kindly
remind you that it was only one hundred years ago that anyone suggesting
that we would be speeding through the air between continents at over 500
miles per hour would have been labeled a crazy idiot. Even just fifty years
ago, to seriously suggest that we would have powerful computers on our
desks, or that people would walk on the moon, would have got you labeled as
a nut case. I am not saying that I think the Mars idea will ever happen, but
who knows what will be in one hundred years time? The fact is we just don't
know.
Anything could be possible. After all, it is usually the dreamers with
great imaginations, who work towards their goals, that create great things
in civilization. And that includes Nova Roma. I will sign my name.
Vale: ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, ... civis Novae Romae et
Rogator
----- Original Message -----
From: <exitil@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] The Island idea.. a new twist
> I just have to say that with the recent posts about Nova Roma on Mars,
this
> organization begins to seem childish, and even more lacking of a true
purpose
> than ever before.
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Island idea.. a new twist |
| From: |
Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs <iasonvs_serenvs@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Apr 2001 07:01:47 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salve Flacce,
You might want to check out the website of the Gens
Martiana...
Vale,
Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs
--- tflacco@-------- wrote:
> Salve Roma,
>
> I don't want to get to much in the realm of science
> fiction. But, there is
> another option.
>
> In myth; Romulus and Ramus were the first Kings of
> Roma. Well, Romulas killed
> Ramus and became king. They were both the sons of
> MARS.
>
> All science fiction aside. Sometime in the next 100
> years. Humans will be
> living on Mars. That's a fact, not science fiction.
>
> I suggest we posture our self into a position where
> we will be the
> government when there is one. Yes, I know it will
> probably be long after we
> all are gone. But Rome wasn't built in a day!
>
> Rome's birth was from the god MARS we should honor
> him by making his name
> sake our home!!!!
>
> I have some Ideas that could make this possible but
> I need help. Are there
> any Romans who want to get on this band wagon. I
> think my means will bring
> positive attention to our citizenship. If there is
> interest, (Especially in
> the Senate) then we can start moving.
>
> Give me your point counter points, I have thick
> skin! I am a Roman. By
> joining, and by Blood.
>
> Scipio Flaccus Americus Tim Flacco --
>
> P.S. or should that be E.S. If you want to
> reply directly and not
> through the message board send all corispondance
> to
> Scipio_america@--------
>
> Chaio
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Island idea.. a new twist |
| From: |
Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs <iasonvs_serenvs@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Apr 2001 07:06:37 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salvete omnes,
Kindness amongst friends travels further and wider
than does an arrow between enemies. Sometimes I am
saddended by the gross incivility of these posts. To
publically announce that the idea of one person
invalidates an organization seems to betray a unique
misappreciation of the nature of communities. To wit,
let me also sign my name below in support of all words
written of genuine interest, sincere heart, and common
cause.
Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs
--- "A. Cato" <a.cato@--------> wrote:
> Salve to the unsigned who posted the below message:
> I would like to kindly
> remind you that it was only one hundred years ago
> that anyone suggesting
> that we would be speeding through the air between
> continents at over 500
> miles per hour would have been labeled a crazy
> idiot. Even just fifty years
> ago, to seriously suggest that we would have
> powerful computers on our
> desks, or that people would walk on the moon, would
> have got you labeled as
> a nut case. I am not saying that I think the Mars
> idea will ever happen, but
> who knows what will be in one hundred years time?
> The fact is we just don't
> know.
> Anything could be possible. After all, it is
> usually the dreamers with
> great imaginations, who work towards their goals,
> that create great things
> in civilization. And that includes Nova Roma. I
> will sign my name.
> Vale: ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, ...
> civis Novae Romae et
> Rogator
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <exitil@-------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 6:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] The Island idea.. a new
> twist
>
>
> > I just have to say that with the recent posts
> about Nova Roma on Mars,
> this
> > organization begins to seem childish, and even
> more lacking of a true
> purpose
> > than ever before.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Provincia Citizens |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Apr 2001 10:24:13 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salve. Mistress Margali;
As the Honored Consul and Censor have taken pains to inform you, the
Province in which you dwell is your province of Record. This provides
you the opportunity, again as those above have notified you, with the
opportunity to engage in face-to-face activities like the Mithracon, the
recent trip to the Wooster Museum, and the more recent meeting in
Newport.
It also provides you with the chance to become more active in the
development of the Provincial Program as your available time,
inclinations, and abilities shall suggest. Such an invitation was
placed on the Nova Roman Main List and is open to those who are
interested. I thank you for this opportunity to answer your questions.
Vale, Respectfuly;
Marcus Mincius Audens
ProConsul -- Provincia Nova Britannia
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Island idea.. a new twist |
| From: |
Kristoffer From <kristoffer.from@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:00:38 +0200 |
|
exitil@-------- wrote:
>
> I just have to say that with the recent posts about Nova Roma on Mars, this
> organization begins to seem childish, and even more lacking of a true purpose
> than ever before.
>
Salve,
I must ask, even though it is none of my business, if you consider Nova
Roma a "childish organization lacking a true purpose", then why do you
bother keeping track of the mailing list? Either admit to yourself that
you appreciate the postings, or please refrain from stating a sentiment
that some participants might find offensive.
Yes, I admit that we all have a right to express ourselves, but I'm not
overly fond of those who enjoy doing so through belittling others and
their ideas.
Vale,
Titus Octavius Pius,
cives Thuleus
AKA Kristoffer From
---
Si hoc signum legere potes,
operis boni in rebus latinis alacribus
et fructuosis potiri potes.
- Not-so-famous quotation
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Nova Britannia/Silly Question |
| From: |
margali <margali@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 01 Apr 2001 12:01:53 -0400 |
|
Thanks ;-)
Hyapatia Asinia
margali
> Your provincia is simply where you live; it has nothing to do with
your gens
> or where your paterfamilias might happen to live. :-)
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Island idea.. |
| From: |
margali <margali@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:58:12 -0400 |
|
I knocked the idea around with my husband for a while while puttering
around the house yesterday.
Whereas there are a number of islands up for sale, why are they up for
sale and or unpopulated.
Climate is a major consideration. Not just the temperature range
important, or fresh water supply, but weather patterns. Many islands are
unpopulated because major storm systems romp across them with great
frequency. I personally like my land to stay put, and not be subject to
periodic flooding and storm surge. I may be funny that way, ;-).
Many countries really don't like divesting themselves of property,
especially since we want to improve on it at our own expense. If I pay
to develop my 1 square mile of farm, I bloody well want to keep it.
Have you seen the news reports of this past winter and the problems that
retired americans had in Mexico? The government sold them the land and
then repossessed it once it had been developed. [more on this later.]
Not to mention, what is the political situation in the country that owns
the land to start with?
Health/Welfare considerations. Tahiti does sound nice, especially after
the snow in the past month. My response is: Hansens Disease [leprosy],
Elephantitis, Malaria, Parisitic Worms, Bacteriological contamination,
Foot Rot and other festive fungi. Lack of access to medical care in the
short term. [I am diabetic and take meds. I doubt I am the only one.]
My husband came up with a fairly good although totally odd suggestion.
The lower half of baja California.
Yep, sun, dessert, sand, no population other than beach bums and
transient fishermen. Sun. No animals or plants. No population. Sun. No
water unless you carry it in yourself. [well, there are dolphins in the
pacific and the gulf of california ;-) ]
One point at a time.
No population, water, plants or animals.
We could probably get it from Mexico cheap. [more on the mexican
political situation later.]
No water.
Reverse osmosis water filtration. It is fairly reasonable in cost and
the minerals extracted can be used or sold - salt, potassium, manganese,
magnesium, gold, calcium. With water comes plants and animals, and
population.
Empty, no towns or population.
The ability to invent ourselves according to our principals.
With no extant infrastructure, we don't have to retrofit anything. We
can have sewage and garbage digesters to generate methane and create
compost. We can recycle the non-organics from the start without the
hang-up of dealing with an entrenched industrial base.
We can generate our electricity from the generated methane, and
implement solar collection and other forms rather than depend on fossil
fuels.
We can design our communities to be independent from others. Each
community can use its own sewage and garbage generated methane to
provide its own power, reducing the need for generating massive amounts
of electricity to allow for loss in the power lines needed to move it
from its local generation area. All the utilities [power,
communications, water and sewage] being centrally organized for each
community means less money being spent on conduits of various sorts
running through unpopulated areas. As population spreads, then planned
expansion can take place.
Gross National Product.
Sun, sand, water. We can have a planned fishing port on the pacific
ocean side, supplying repair facilities, chandlering and refit parts,
and fuels to the fishermen. We can have a small processing plant to
service our own seafood needs [flash freezing, salting, drying and
canning as appropriate. Maybe a garum 'microbrewery'] If somebody wants
to go into business running a fishing vacation charter, so much the
better. I understand that there is some incredible sport fishing in that
area. We can have a small planned resort port on the gulf of california
side, catering to the sun and sand set, and if somebody wants to run a
vacation sail/motor charter company, that would be good. Think of a club
med sort of resort based on the imperial palace on capri! Roman baths,
relaxing on a beach, servants running for drinks and towels, a health
club with a few different massage styles [swedish, rolf and whatever]
and personal trainers. Gourmet foods and a night club. We could offer
offshore banking and safety deposit boxes and computer storage. We could
provide reproductions of glass, ceramics, fabric and metal for museums
and living history centers as well as selling via catalog and online
stores.
>>>>>>
When I think about it, life without George Bush sounds nice. I for one
would
move to the island on these conditions. A.) Recycling is mandatory, B.)
Animal Testing is banned, C.) The use of fur is banned, D.) A list
endangered
species is compiled (if discovered any, E.) A small portion of the
island is
set aside for an animal estuary, and finally Dolphins are near the
island
:-). Then me and the critters would take off. I know I have to be weird
at
all times.
Aeternia
>>>>>>>
The hard stuff.
Civil security.
How do we keep independence once we get it? I know if I improve my 1
square acre latifundia I bloody well want to keep it!
Rob suggested a couple of things. If we join NAFTA and a few other of
the pan american organizations, it will get us international political
position. If we are recognized, we have a better chance of making
treaties with a larger country for protection in case of aggressive
neighbors. This would probably work best at keeping Mexico honest. We
could quite possibly get US help if we work the drug interdiction angle.
Universal military service in exchange for political franchise. If you
don't serve, you don't vote. If you prefer non-violence, you can shuffle
paperwork. If you are physically impaired, you can do something that
your infirmity allows for. I can shuffle papers with the best of them,
my shooting days are well over ;-( At the age of 39 and major impairment
of my ability to move, I would still put in 3 years of service for the
right to vote. If I can do it, then everybody should be willing to do
it. If you are Helen Keller, then you can 'count the fuzz on
caterpillars by touch' to quote Robert Heinlein.
We have to get real. All the bunny hugging is great, but personal
freedom is very important to me.
I happen to be a carnivore, and I want to eat meat. I like lamb, and if
I raise the buggers, I will by damned eat the little sods. I like
leather and fur. If I feel like raising a batch of mink or sable, or
squirrel to turn into a nice toasty jacket, then I will do so. I do not
believe in hunted furs, other than from food animals like moose, elk ,
deer, bear, coon and the like. If my husband shoots it, we eat it. I
want the right to do so. I want the right to bring into NR the results
of what ever we legally hunt for.
I also don't want sexuality legislated. If I want to be gay, or a
prostitute or have an abortion, then I want to be able to control my own
destiny. With regulations on health control issues, prostitution works
in many european countries. Taxable income!
Many shamanistic religions use mind altering substances such as alcohol,
peyote, psylocybin and marijuana as sacraments. While I don't want the
kids on the street to just be able to get these willy-nilly, I fell that
if we legalized the access of alcohol, tobacco and these sacramental
substances to government controlled production and distribution centers
to be sold only to citizens of legal majority it would be the best and
most equitable solution. Many US states and countries control the access
to alcohol and tobacco by selling them only at state run facilities in
this manner, and it seems to work well. Animal sacrifice. Well, since we
are on the subject of religion, in addition to the state religion,
people have expressed interest in various other pagan religions as well
and we do have to consider religious matters.
knock this around ;-)
margali
Hyapatia Asinia
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Island idea.. a new twist |
| From: |
"Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Apr 2001 10:50:50 -0700 |
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Salvete Omnes,
While I agree that a discussion of colonization of other planets is less
constructive than a discussion of a colony here and now, I disagree with the
tone of this post. It was in expectation of just such a post as this one
that I suggested we move our conversation to a separate list. I, for one,
would feel more comfortable discussing these topics in a venue where I know
my fellows are also people with enough faith to see past their fear and
reach for a dream. (Boy did that sound melodramatic or what? :) )
But seriously folks, I'm dead serious about my desire to live a Nova Roman
life in a Nova Roman community. I would prefer that discussion take place in
an environment where I won't be subjected to ridicule or have to witness
another treated poorly because they have enough faith to dream. Again,
anyone else interested in a separate list?
Lucius Mauricius Procopious
Propraetor America Boreoccidentalis
(This is an unofficial post for which I assume full responsibility)
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"Indeed, it is not by the plans of men, but by the hand of God that the
affairs of men are directed; and this men call Fate, not knowing the reason
for what things they see occur; and what seems to be without cause is easy
to call the accident of chance. Still, this is a matter every mortal will
decide for himself according to his taste."
-Procopius of Caesarea (in Palestine) [born c.490/507- died c.560s]
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Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 3:35 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] The Island idea.. a new twist
> I just have to say that with the recent posts about Nova Roma on Mars,
this
> organization begins to seem childish, and even more lacking of a true
purpose
> than ever before.
>
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> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] NOVA ROMA: Capita XII et XIII |
| From: |
"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:01:51 +0200 |
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Salvete Quirites,
Behold the new installments of the NR Mars novel (only a story, Prime Fabi,
nothing to get worked up about ;-)). Comments, remarks and ideas are
welcome, as always. If you want to read the earlier chapters, check the
archives or mail me privately. Thanks to my pater, Formosanus, for
correcting my English mistakes.
XII. Caelum, non animum mutant qui trans mare current
It was a cloudy day in the neighbourhood of Noachis Terra, one of the large
southern Martian plains. According to Sertorius they were getting closer to
the approximate location of one of the Martianalist bases. There was much
wind outside, a true blessing for Audens, who would have rather been on the
deck than anywhere else, but alas the winds were so strong he probably
wouldn't last long out there.
"I must confess I still don't get it," Curio said. Draco and he sat in one
of the ship's 'panoramic' rooms, as they didn't have much to do today.
Usually their job was to clean up the ship, check the engines and help where
needed. Sertorius occasionally did some odd jobs for his superiors, too, but
Bicurratus had the common habit among officers of being good at one thing.
commanding. Peregrinus had about the same rank of Sertorius, but was
seldomly seen around the quarters of the crewmembers. Same went for Ronanus,
the swordsman, and Audens himself. Oppius Flaccus seemed to be everywhere at
the same time talking the day away, whilst the enigmatic civilian, Lutecio,
spent his days peering out of the window.
"There's much I don't get, mi Curio," Draco replied. He sat comfortably in a
bench near the large side window, watching how the dusty clouds passed
alongside the ship with an amazing speed.
"No, what I mean is why we are going on this small mission to 'talk with'
the Martianalists, while they obviously haven't done all that much to
deserve this kind of attention."
"They destroyed some bio-plants that were instrumental in the
terraformatio," Draco said.
"I know," conceded Curio, "but there are more important things right now
than the Martianalists - like finding Eugenias. In about a month time three
important government officials have been killed, and what do the magistrates
and the senatores? Sending a small expedition to explore the territory of an
'enemy'. I find this illogical."
Draco shrugged.
"I don't know everything. Why don't you ask Audens?" Curio grinned slightly.
"I think I'd get a dirty job instead of a true answer. Militaries in lower
ranks aren't supposed to have questions."
Their conversation was interrupted when the door opened. It was the
mysterious Lutecio.
"Salve," Curio and Draco simultanously said.
"Salvete," Lutecio said absently, obviously gazing at the clouds.
"Do you come here often?" he asked. One of the first times Draco heard the
man say more than four words in a row.
"Not really, but there's not much revelry here aboard a military
sandcruiser, is there?" Curio replied. Lutecio didn't smile but nodded, as
if Curio had said a deeply serious and intresting fact.
"Yes, I suppose you're right. This is about the only spectacle the ship has
to offer," the civilian said. There was a twist in his accent that made
Draco think of someone else. Then he knew again: Marcus Maximius Gaius.
"Can I ask you a question?"
"Sure," Lutecio said, his gaze not turning away from the panorama.
"Do you know one Marcus Maximius Gaius?" Draco asked. Lutecio frowned, and
so did Curio.
"Gaius. Gaius. The name sounds familiar. Ah, yes, I remember. A couple of
years ago, I was praetor of a small colony in Utopia Planitia named Nova
Gallia. He was one of my deputies, but one day simply disappeared, never to
be seen again. A strange bird. Why did you ask?"
Draco knew the question was inevitable.
"I faintly remembered a guy who had the same accent like you, and bore the
name of Marcus Maximius Gaius, but it was quite a while ago."
For the first time, Draco saw Lutecio smile. Unconvincingly, but yet it was
a smile.
Two days later, the ship's crew was getting ready for the descent to the
Martian surface. The shadowy ship floated closely above the ground, even
though 'close' was a relative concept, as it was probably more than one
hundred metres away from the rocky terrain. It was early in the morning, but
every crewmember was on the bridge, at the command of Audens, who stood in
the middle, leaning over his small commander's balcony, staring out of the
large window as if he was facing an enemy. They had been briefed about their
initial mission beforehand: after the landing Sertorius, Ronanus, Curio and
Draco were to explore the immediate perimeter while Oppius stayed aboard to
check for signals that could indicate where the martianalists hid
themselves. The permanent crewmembers would check the ship and make repairs
where necessary, whilst Bicurratus and Peregrinus had gotten orders to
patrol the area, making sure no martianalist would come aboard unnoticed.
Today would be a cloudless, bright day.
"Getting ready for landing," the navigator announced, "deploy the scrapers."
A woman at the navigator's right nodded and pulled a lever. A small buzz was
heard, as long metal cilinders were being shoved out of the hull. These
'scrapers' would, when touching the ground, decrease the speed of the ship.
When the ship had been slowed down enough, they adjusted themselves into a
vertical position, while additional 'feet' would come out to prevent the
ship from falling, anchoring themselves into the ground deeply.
A slight shock went through the ship as the scrapers made contact with the
surface. Suddenly a much larger shock was felt.
"What was that?" Audens inquired of his crew.
"We've been hit by a maser beam," the first mate answered, from behind his
computer screen in the left corner of the bridge. A second impact hit the
ship, and it lost altitude quickly. Everyone who wasn't sitting grabbed
ledges or got hold of something solid to sustain themselves. Inevitably the
ground came closer at an amazing speed, and the crash soon followed, casting
some men away, and severly shaking others. Smoke began filling the room.
Draco was still holding on to a ledge near the staircase, but hung in mid
air right now as the ship's nose was planted into the Martian soil. His only
hope was that the front window wouldn't break. Through the thick fog he
could only see some scattered bodies lying down, but none of them seemed
familiar. He had to close his eyes from the smoke, and was coughing already
when he searched for his helmet, hanging idly on his belt. In the distance
he heard an alarm. When he finally found the helmet, his other hand began to
slide away from the legde he was holding on to. In a few stressful seconds
he managed to connect his helmet with the rest of his suit, and brought the
hand back to the ledge, releaving the stress on from the other. However, he
couldn't hang like this forever. Luckily he could see something now through
the enhanced visor of the helmet. Appearently he was the only one still
hanging upside down. He counted seven bodies below, but still couldn't
identify them. He looked around to see if he had a chance of coming down
safely, without totally breaking the window - even though it was said to be
able to stand such shocks. No.
Mars me protegat, he thought, and let go of the ledge, plunging into the
foul smoke.
XIII. Cum grano salis
"This cannot be," Praetor Diocletianus muttered as he stared blankly at the
small Roman statue on his desk, "this simply cannot be."
In front of him stood his computer screen, with a detailed summary of the
Eugenias murders so far, plus the clues that had been examinated. One week
had passed since his colleague, Maximus, had been discovered dead in his
villa, but it litterally kept raining corpses of magistrates and Senatores,
as three days later the private jet of the Moravii exploded above the
Vasistas Borealis and crashed there. Nicolaus Moravius Vado, his wife
Aletheia and his daughter Natalia had died on impact. Forensic research
didn't exclude the possibility of an accident, but it was clear that in this
case, coincidence was very unlikely. Cornelius Moravius Laurentibus was the
only survivor of the crash, and was in hospital right now, recovering from
the terrible burns and oxygen wounds. Two days later Marcus Marcius Rex and
his family died when their remote villa, not far from where Diocletianus
lived, went up in flames. And yesterday, while Praetor Maximus and Senator
Vado were being buried outside Nova Roma with a grand procession, Caius
Aeilius Ericius was shot while sleeping in his garden. Maximus, Ericius and
Rex. All three of them had spoken in the Senatus regarding the election of a
new Consul, and all three of them had been killed afterwards. Why? The
consequences for the magistrates of Mars were clear, in any case. Consul
Vedius was constantly surrounded by his lictores, and barely left the house.
No one knew where Fortunatus had gone to after the death of his friend and
colleague Piscinus, but it appeared that he had retreated to a safe hideout.
Other major players on the political scene, and magistrates, were silent, or
held hysterical speeches in the Forum, increasing their own chances to get
killed. The most frustrating of all this for Diocletianus was that he still
had an investigation to conduct. He was getting much help from the Aediles
of Nova Roma and outside of the Urbs, but that wasn't enough. Also, his very
life was at stake, making this a very personal quest. He had always
considered Vado and Rex friends of his, and had attended to their funerals
in tears.
"This cannot be," he murmured again to his silent conversation partner, a
small statue of Iustitia.
There had been sightseeings in Nova Roma of three suspicious figures, all
men, as of late, and many people claimed they were in fact Eugenias. A
hundred of these wild stories landed in the praetorial offices every day,
but this one was more reliable since he had a first hand witness, namely
Octavius. He had been approached by two men, who had given him a tip on the
identity of Eugenias. Ever since, Octavius had been assiting Diocletianus
where he could - a grateful assistance, because Diocletianus was running out
of time and energy. According to other sources the two men Octavius had met
named themselves Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and Marcus Maximius Gaius. A
search through the civil databases of Mars had given intresting results:
Quintilianus had been missing since 2092, and had allegely been killed in
the descent of the Valles Marineris. Marcus Maximius Gaius, on the other
hand, used to be a small government official who disappeared suddenly in
2092, never to be seen again. This was the same year in which the
martianalists appeared. Appearently, these two men were both martianalists,
and they were trying to help the investigation further. Excluding further
paranoia, Diocletianus had scrapped the martianalists from his list of
suspects. The only other serious candidate remained Earth. Of course, Earth
denied everything, and had told Vedius point blank to settle their own
affairs.
The most intrigueing fact, however, was the perception of the third figure.
According to most sources it was a familiar face, but they were unable to
get to his name, and the encounters went way too fast to see many details.
It appeared that he operated alone. One observation even said that the three
'Eugeniates' had been running across the Forum Libertatis, all three of them
armed, and moving at a preternatural speed, with one ahead, and the two
others following. If Diocletianus' reasoning was correct, this meant that
the martianalists were also chasing Eugenias. He had tried to contact Audens
recently to stop his military expedition to the martianalist caves, but
nobody had been able to find him. Appearently his mission was so secret that
communications weren't allowed. Vedius denied having ordered the mission, as
did both Censores.
Suddenly the Praetor abruptly stopped his thinking when he heard the sound
of the vid phone, built in into his computer. The small information box
below showed it was Octavius. Diocletianus pressed the small green button.
"Salve," Octavius said without much ado.
"Glad to see you're still alive," Diocletianus said, "what's new?"
Octavius looked tired. In the background, the pillars of his office where
the Martian mainframe was located were visible.
"We may have found a clue about the clue the martianalists gave us. We think
it's not a wordplay, but more a symbolic thing. The 'terror that feeds' is
to be interpreted quite litterally Roman, actually. Think of something in
Roman history that feeds."
Diocletianus stared at the flat screen. Nothing came up in his mind.
"Who saved Romulus and Remus from starvation?"
"The she-wolf. but what does that have to do with terror? Eugenias is not a
woman, nor a wolf. Unless you're trying to tell me that we have a werewolf
trying to assassinate all magistrates and political figures."
"Don't be so sarcastic," Octavius replied matter-of-the-factly.
"Ok, sorry. I'm waiting for your explanation."
"Well, if a wolf becomes a symbol of terror, it might be associated with a
person. Do you remember the 'Wolf of Rome'? What's the Latin word for
'wolf'?"
Diocletianus looked at Octavius for a while, and then his mouth went ajar.
"You're not telling me."
"I am. And I'm deadly serious."
Valete,
Sextus Apollonius Draco
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] NOVA ROMA: Capita XII et XIII |
| From: |
Kristoffer From <kristoffer.from@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 01 Apr 2001 22:35:25 +0200 |
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"S. Apollonius Draco" wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> Behold the new installments of the NR Mars novel (only a story, Prime Fabi,
> nothing to get worked up about ;-)). Comments, remarks and ideas are
> welcome, as always. If you want to read the earlier chapters, check the
> archives or mail me privately. Thanks to my pater, Formosanus, for
> correcting my English mistakes.
>
> XII. Caelum, non animum mutant qui trans mare current
>
Salve, Sexti Apolloni.
I am new to our beloved res publica, and to this list as well. I have
not received any past installments of the novel, and would welcome a
possibility to "catch up". Is, perchance, the novel published somewhere
on the net, from where I and other interested newcomers might retrieve
it? If not, I'd be honored to publish them for you.
Vale,
Titus Octavius Pius,
cives Thuleus
AKA Kristoffer From
---
Si hoc signum legere potes,
operis boni in rebus latinis alacribus
et fructuosis potiri potes.
- Not-so-famous quotation
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Composite Bows |
| From: |
"Devry, Mark (Packaging House Auckland)" <mark.devry@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:18:34 +1200 |
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Salve,
An enactment legion (Legio II Augusta (NZ)) that I belong to has recently
had an enquiry from a pair of gelntlemen who wish to join as auxillary
bowmen. What we would like to know is if there is anywhere either sells
mail order composite bows or at least a site on the web that has plans /
instructions on how to make the same?
If anyone can help me, please email me off list to this adress.
Many thanks
Marcus Sentius Accipiter
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Invalid Voter Codes cont. |
| From: |
"A. Cato" <a.cato@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:42:29 -0400 |
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Salvete Omnes: Below are listed a further three Tracking Numbers that represent invalid voter codes. I urge those citizens who have these Tracking Numbers to try to vote again, and if there is a continuing problem to contact either the Censores or Rogatores.
Vale: ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, ... civis Novae Romae et Rogator
Tracking Numbers: # 4070, # 4073, # 4078
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