Forum Romanum


Subject:	[novaroma] Storing Tracking Numbers etc.
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Tue, 03 Apr 2001 00:03:49 -0000

Salvete:

I usually send myself an email with my tracking number contained therein and
keep it until the election is over. Just a suggestion ...........

Valete,

Pompeia Cornelia
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] RE: More Roman movies coming...
From:	"Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:04:30 +1000

Ave AFM

What was it like - is it worthy to get excited about ???

Salve
Marcus Sentius

-----Original Message-----
From: QFabiusMax@-------- [mailto:QFabiusMax@--------]
Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2001 1:28 Pm
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] RE: More Roman movies coming...

In a message dated 3/31/2001 6:09:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mark.devry@-------- writes:

<< but the only
definate is Atilla the Hun, focusing especially on the battle of
Chalons
(pardon the spelling) which is very late empire, but still Roman
non-the-less. >>
It aired on USA several weeks ago.
QFM

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Invalid Voter Codes
From:	"Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:10:38 +1000

Salvete

How can I vote - do I have to be a citezan for a certain time as I have
only just been accepted (about a month ago) - do I vote ???

-----Original Message-----
From: A. Cato [mailto:a.cato@--------]
Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2001 11:36 Am
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Invalid Voter Codes

Salvete Omnes: This is a list of invalid voter codes. Those citizens
whose tracking numbers are listed here are advised to try to vote again.
If there are any further problems, please contact the Censores or
Rogatores.
Vale, ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, ... Rogator

Tracking Number

# 4015
4018
4021
4024
4027
4063

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator question: Scripts
From:	"Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Mon, 2 Apr 2001 08:59:55 +1000

Ave Gaius

I loved that series of books, it is a pitty that the proposed 9 novels
will not be finished.

Salve

Marcus Sentius Claudius

-----Original Message-----
From: ksterne@-------- [mailto:ksterne@--------]
Sent: Saturday, 31 March 2001 12:44 Am
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator question: Scripts

>>Has anyone else heard of any new movies on the SPQR happening in
the not too distant future ??.<<

Valete,

I have not but, I am confident the success of Gladiator will cause
Hollywood copy cats. My vote would be to make a movie out of
McCullough's "First Man in Rome". Relatively new characters (to most
of the public), story ready for a screenplay, built in sequels.
Ahhh...we can only hope.

Salvete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Citizen

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator question: Scripts
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:29:22 -0500

I hope I am not raining on any one but there will not be another McCullough
"Masters of Rime" novel until 2005 at the earliest. I got this from an email
from McCullough her self in an email to her website. It was asked by a fan.
The reason for this is due to her staff that want her to do two novels about
Australia first! The fans asked her to fire her Agents.

QS

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 5:59 PM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator question: Scripts

> Ave Gaius
>
> I loved that series of books, it is a pitty that the proposed 9 novels
> will not be finished.
>
>
> Salve
>
> Marcus Sentius Claudius
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ksterne@-------- [mailto:ksterne@--------]
> Sent: Saturday, 31 March 2001 12:44 Am
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator question: Scripts
>
>
> >>Has anyone else heard of any new movies on the SPQR happening in
> the not too distant future ??.<<
>
> Valete,
>
> I have not but, I am confident the success of Gladiator will cause
> Hollywood copy cats. My vote would be to make a movie out of
> McCullough's "First Man in Rome". Relatively new characters (to most
> of the public), story ready for a screenplay, built in sequels.
> Ahhh...we can only hope.
>
> Salvete,
> Gaius Popillius Laenas
> Citizen
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator question: Scripts
From:	gcassiusnerva@--------
Date:	Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:50:55 EDT

In a message dated 4/2/01 6:41:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
mark_a_bird@-------- writes:

> I loved that series of books, it is a pitty that the proposed 9 novels
> will not be finished.
>
>
>

We do not know they will not be finished. Last fall the author said she was
persuaded to 'pause' to do two other books. She predicted 'The October
Horse' would be out in 2005.

Nerva

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] RE: More Roman movies coming...
From:	"Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:45:35 +1000

Salve Marcus Sentius Accipter and other,

Carthage - would this be Hannibal and Cannae (soory about the spelling)
- 50,000 Roman troops dies at Cannae (I believe) so this would be
fantastic if it is true ...

Regards

Marcus Sentius Claudius

-----Original Message-----
From: Devry, Mark (Packaging House Auckland)
[mailto:mark.devry@--------]
Sent: Saturday, 31 March 2001 3:40 Pm
To: 'novaroma@--------'
Subject: [novaroma] RE: More Roman movies coming...

Salve, Marcus Sentius Claudius and others.

In reply to your question Marcus Sentius, I have heard rumours of
several
other movies in the pipeline regarding the ancient world, but the only
definate is Atilla the Hun, focusing especially on the battle of Chalons
(pardon the spelling) which is very late empire, but still Roman
non-the-less.

And we win, <sorta> what is even better.

I also hear of a Roman movie to be filmed in our part of the world
(based on
the battle vs Carthage if memory serves me right) filmed in Queensland,
Nothern Territories and New Zealand. But it is still only a rumour and
I
have yet to find independant verification of this one. If anyone out
there
can confirm or deny what I have heard, much appreciated.

Cheers,

Marcus Sentius Accipiter

> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:14:38 +1000
> From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
> Subject: RE: Re: Gladiator question: Scripts
>
> Thanks Nerva
>
> I have black banned citizens in my house saying anything negative
about
> this movie - I love it so much - I just cannot wait until there are
> other epics made about our era - any news - you seem to be in the
"know"
> etc. Has anyone else heard of any new movies on the SPQR happening in
> the not too distant future ??.
>
> Regards
>
>

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator question: Scripts
From:	"Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:57:36 +1000

I have it on excellent authority that the books will not be finished.
Two of her researches have been let go and she is not of good health.
Marcus

-----Original Message-----
From: gcassiusnerva@-------- [mailto:gcassiusnerva@--------]
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2001 11:51 Am
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator question: Scripts

In a message dated 4/2/01 6:41:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
mark_a_bird@-------- writes:

> I loved that series of books, it is a pitty that the proposed 9 novels
> will not be finished.
>
>
>

We do not know they will not be finished. Last fall the author said she
was
persuaded to 'pause' to do two other books. She predicted 'The October
Horse' would be out in 2005.

Nerva

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] McCullough...was Gladiator question: Scripts
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Tue, 03 Apr 2001 02:02:15 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

Throughout the Masters of Rome series, McCullough seems to be very
emotionally bonded to Iulius Caesar......in the next novel.....she will have
to "kill Caesar"......not an easy task for her, as I see it, from an
emotional perspective. I can see her tears all over the keyboard.....really.
If I were her, I'd write some books on Greece and Australia first
too!......I said this last year......it will be some long, long time before
we see her next Roman Novel, for reasons I've just given.

Pompeia

>From: "Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: <novaroma@-------->
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator question: Scripts
>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:29:22 -0500
>
>I hope I am not raining on any one but there will not be another McCullough
>"Masters of Rime" novel until 2005 at the earliest. I got this from an
>email
>from McCullough her self in an email to her website. It was asked by a
>fan.
>The reason for this is due to her staff that want her to do two novels
>about
>Australia first! The fans asked her to fire her Agents.
>
>QS
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
>To: <novaroma@-------->
>Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 5:59 PM
>Subject: RE: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator question: Scripts
>
>
> > Ave Gaius
> >
> > I loved that series of books, it is a pitty that the proposed 9 novels
> > will not be finished.
> >
> >
> > Salve
> >
> > Marcus Sentius Claudius
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ksterne@-------- [mailto:ksterne@--------]
> > Sent: Saturday, 31 March 2001 12:44 Am
> > To: novaroma@--------
> > Subject: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator question: Scripts
> >
> >
> > >>Has anyone else heard of any new movies on the SPQR happening in
> > the not too distant future ??.<<
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > I have not but, I am confident the success of Gladiator will cause
> > Hollywood copy cats. My vote would be to make a movie out of
> > McCullough's "First Man in Rome". Relatively new characters (to most
> > of the public), story ready for a screenplay, built in sequels.
> > Ahhh...we can only hope.
> >
> > Salvete,
> > Gaius Popillius Laenas
> > Citizen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] McCullough...was Gladiator question: Scripts
From:	"Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:07:41 +1000

>From reading the book (as probably everyone has on this discussions
group), I think it was more obsession about Caesar...I am sure she will
probably try to re write history so as she can keep him alive, heavens
forbid.

Marcus

-----Original Message-----
From: Pompeia Cornelia [mailto:scriba_forum@--------]
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2001 12:02 Pm
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] McCullough...was Gladiator question: Scripts

Salvete Omnes:

Throughout the Masters of Rome series, McCullough seems to be very
emotionally bonded to Iulius Caesar......in the next novel.....she will
have
to "kill Caesar"......not an easy task for her, as I see it, from an
emotional perspective. I can see her tears all over the
keyboard.....really.
If I were her, I'd write some books on Greece and Australia first
too!......I said this last year......it will be some long, long time
before
we see her next Roman Novel, for reasons I've just given.

Pompeia

>From: "Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: <novaroma@-------->
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator question: Scripts
>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:29:22 -0500
>
>I hope I am not raining on any one but there will not be another
McCullough
>"Masters of Rime" novel until 2005 at the earliest. I got this from an
>email
>from McCullough her self in an email to her website. It was asked by a

>fan.
>The reason for this is due to her staff that want her to do two novels
>about
>Australia first! The fans asked her to fire her Agents.
>
>QS
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
>To: <novaroma@-------->
>Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 5:59 PM
>Subject: RE: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator question: Scripts
>
>
> > Ave Gaius
> >
> > I loved that series of books, it is a pitty that the proposed 9
novels
> > will not be finished.
> >
> >
> > Salve
> >
> > Marcus Sentius Claudius
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ksterne@-------- [mailto:ksterne@--------]
> > Sent: Saturday, 31 March 2001 12:44 Am
> > To: novaroma@--------
> > Subject: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator question: Scripts
> >
> >
> > >>Has anyone else heard of any new movies on the SPQR happening in
> > the not too distant future ??.<<
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > I have not but, I am confident the success of Gladiator will cause
> > Hollywood copy cats. My vote would be to make a movie out of
> > McCullough's "First Man in Rome". Relatively new characters (to
most
> > of the public), story ready for a screenplay, built in sequels.
> > Ahhh...we can only hope.
> >
> > Salvete,
> > Gaius Popillius Laenas
> > Citizen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator question: Scripts
From:	gcassiusnerva@--------
Date:	Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:10:06 EDT

In a message dated 4/2/01 7:00:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
mark_a_bird@-------- writes:

> I have it on excellent authority that the books will not be finished.
> Two of her researches have been let go and she is not of good health.
>

Letting researchers go when one cannot commence work on a book for a few
years is just sound fiscal policy. YOu did not mention what your excellent
authority is, but for what it is worth, she answered the question concerning
the October Horse at this site:
http://www.judithivory.com/booktalk/messages/422.html

Nerva

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Subject:	[novaroma] Interview with Colleen McCullough
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Sun, 01 Apr 2001 19:12:02 -0700

Here is an interview with Colleen McCullough...it will answer alot of
questions about her upcoming books.

http://bbs.msnbc.com/bbs/msnbc-transcripts/posts/nu/533.asp

Hope this helps.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator question: Scripts
From:	"Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:13:27 +1000

Thanks Nerva.

I have a freind who is as close as it gets to the source as it were...I
find it sad...but I hope that we do see another book in the
series..Enough Said

Marcus

-----Original Message-----
From: gcassiusnerva@-------- [mailto:gcassiusnerva@--------]
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2001 12:10 Pm
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator question: Scripts

In a message dated 4/2/01 7:00:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
mark_a_bird@-------- writes:

> I have it on excellent authority that the books will not be finished.
> Two of her researches have been let go and she is not of good health.
>

Letting researchers go when one cannot commence work on a book for a few

years is just sound fiscal policy. YOu did not mention what your
excellent
authority is, but for what it is worth, she answered the question
concerning
the October Horse at this site:
http://www.judithivory.com/booktalk/messages/422.html

Nerva

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Subject:	[novaroma] P. Gramatinicus Albinus
From:	syphax_venaliccii@--------
Date:	Tue, 03 Apr 2001 02:01:44 -0000

Salvete! I have good news! Just recently, on March 30-31, I
participated in the Texas State Junior Classical League's State
convention at the University of North Texas. I competed in three
events, and here are my results:

4th place, Roman Life level IV
5th place, Greek Life and Literature level IV
10th place, Boy's Costume, Saturn (this is the least proud of my
accomplishments, for more details abou this blemish, email me)

I placed high enough to be eligible to attend Nationals. It will be
held at Tulane University in New Orleans.
before I go, I would appreciate any help on my costume. Pictures of
what I had are available, just email me. Anything is appreciated.

P. Gramatinicus Albinus


Subject:	[novaroma] Sautationes
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Rodrigo=20Alvarez=20Garcia-Sanchidrian?= <benllera@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 03:39:50 +0200 (CEST)

Salve, cives novoromani.

I am a new citizen of Nova Roma that has not yet
received a formal response from the censors for his
application. I know this is due to the comitial
process in which the Republic is involved, so I am not
too worried about it -yet-.

I just wanted to say "Hello" to everybody, and to make
a few questions on the things I have read in these
past days here in Nova Roma.

My first question is about the wide variety of mailing
lists available. There's this list, and there's a
provincial list as well (NRHispania, for me); but then
you have the Forum Romanum on the website, and a live
chat as well!. Could someone please explain to me
which one is the most used by Novaromans? I sometime
feel lost having to look in different places.

Actually, this first question of mine is the only one
I can think of right now -it's pretty late-.

Thank you all in advance.

Gnaeus Salix Astur, protocivis romanus.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Roman Movies
From:	"John and Angie" <beauseant@-------->
Date:	Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:22:55 -0500

I'd like to see the M Didius Falco series of mystery books on the screen. I thought Attila the Hun on USA was a fun movie, too.

Corvo

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Roman Movies
From:	"Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:32:17 +1000

did any one tape the Atilla movie - would be great to have a copy -
obvioulsy willing to pay for postage and VHS dub etc - as it may be some
time till we get it in Oz.....

Marcus Sentius

-----Original Message-----
From: John and Angie [mailto:beauseant@--------]
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2001 1:23 Pm
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Roman Movies

I'd like to see the M Didius Falco series of mystery books on the
screen. I thought Attila the Hun on USA was a fun movie, too.

Corvo

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Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN: The Comitia Plebis Tributa is Convened
From:	Fortunatus <labienus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 02 Apr 2001 22:36:20 -0500

Tribunus Plebis T Labienus Fortunatus Quiritibus SPD

The Comitia Plebis Tributa is hereby convened. Voting shall begin
tomorrow, IV ante diem Nones Apriles (April 2), at 1 PM official Nova
Roma time. It shall end at 1 PM official Nova Roma time, III ante diem
Idus Apriles (April 11).

All plebeian citizens are asked to vote upon the following two items:

I. Electing a second tribunus plebis, candidates being:

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Quintus Sertorius

II. Enacting the following plebiscitum:
______________________
LEX LABIENIA DE RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS TRIBUTORUM

I. The Lex Vedia de Ratione Eligium and Lex Vedia de Ratione Comitiorum
Plebis Tributorum are hereby rescinded as they apply to the election of
magistrates and the voting of leges by the Comitia Plebis Tributa. This
Lex Labiena de Ratione Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum is hereby enacted to
define the procedures by which the Comitia Plebis Tributa shall conduct
the business of electing magistrates and voting on leges.

II. Calling the Comitia to Order.

A Tribunis Plebis may, as described in the Constitution, call the
Comitia to order, to hold a vote on a lex or leges, or to hold an
election. The magistrate who calls the Comitia to order shall be
referred to herein as the presiding magistrate.
A. This shall be done by making a public announcement announcing the
call in those public fora which shall have been designated for such
purpose, in which must be included:
1. The names of candidates for office and the office for which
they are running (when the Comitia is being called for an election),
2. The full text of any plebiscita which are being voted on
(when the Comitia is being called to legislate),
3. The dates when the members of the Comitia shall begin and
finish voting,
4. Any special instructions that pertain to the mechanics of the
vote, if any.
B. The presiding magistrate shall have the responsibility for taking
all reasonable precautions to ensure that candidates for a vote hold
whatever qualifications are required by law. The Censors shall assist in
such efforts as to the best of their ability.

III. Timing of the vote.

A. The announcement containing the call to vote must be issued at
least 120 hours (5 days) prior to the start of the vote. This period
shall be known as the Contio, and shall be used for formal discussion of
the issues and/or candidates before the People for vote.
B. During the Contio, those Constitutionally empowered to do so may
exercise their powers of intercessio or nuntiatio.
1. The exercise of intercessio shall cancel the vote or election
outright, although another call with the same items may be made at a
later date.
2. The exercise of nuntiatio shall extend the Contio, postponing
the start and end dates of the voting period by 24 hours, during which
time nuntiatio may again be exercised.
3. Should the exercise of nuntatio cause the voting period to
move such that it conflicts with calendarical restrictions as defined by
the Collegium Pontificum, the presiding magistrate may change or extend
the dates of the vote and/or contio at his or her discretion.
C. The period between the start and end of the voting must last no
less than 192 hours (8 days).
D. The ability to vote during the voting period may be impacted
and/or suspended due to calendrical issues as enacted by decreta of the
Collegium Pontificum.
E. The rogatores shall tally the vote and shall deliver the results
to the presiding magistrate within 48 hours of the close of the voting
period.
F. The presiding magistrate shall announce the results of the vote
within 24 hours of receiving the results from the rogatores, in at least
the same venues as the original announcement calling the vote was
published.

IV. Voting procedures.

A. The censors shall issue to each citizen a unique voter
identification code. This code shall be used to maintain anonymity in
the voting process, and to minimize the possibility of vote fraud. In a
timely fashion prior to the vote, the censors shall make available to
the rogatores a list of valid voter identification codes and the tribes
with which they are associated. The rogatores shall not have access to
the names of the citizens associated with particular voter
identification codes.
B. In consultation with the rogatores, the curator araneum shall
make available a cista; a secure web-based form to allow citizens to
vote directly through the official Nova Roma web site. This form shall
record the voter identification number and desired vote(s) of the
individual. The information thus collected will either be forwarded to
the rogatores as it is gathered, or at the end of the process, at their
discretion. Alternative methods of voting may be enacted by other
legislation as required.
C. Each Citizen shall have the opportunity to vote for a single
candidate for each office for which a vacancy exists, regardless of the
number of vacancies within a given magistracy. Citizens may cast a vote
for a candidate not listed on the ballot, or may waive their right to
cast a vote for a given magistracy. Once cast, no vote may be altered,
even with the correct voter identification code. Should multiple votes
be registered with the same voter identification code, only the first
one recorded shall be used when tallying the vote.

V. Procedures for counting votes.

A. Votes shall be counted by tribes.
1. In the case of a magisterial election, each tribe shall cast
a number of votes equal to the number of vacancies for the magistracy in
question. Votes shall be assigned to those candidates who received votes
by members of the tribe, with those candidates receiving the most valid
individual votes receiving the tribe's vote first, then working down in
descending order until all the tribe's votes have been assigned.
EXAMPLE: Four candidates are running for Tribunus Plebis.
Each tribe casts two votes, because there are two vacant positions. In
tribe III, there are 26 votes for candidate A, 32 votes for candidate B,
2 votes for candidate C, and 13 votes for candidate D. The tribe's two
votes are cast for candidates A and B, since they received the two
highest vote-totals within the tribe.
2. In the case of a vote on a plebiscitum, each tribe shall vote
in favor of the plebiscitum if a majority of the votes received by
members of the tribe are in favor. Otherwise, the tribe shall be
considered to have voted against the proposed plebiscitum.
3. Should a tie occur within a given tribe, the winner shall be
the candidate who is a paterfamilias or materfamilias, or if such shall
not decide the issue, the winner shall be decided by lot. The rogatores
may decide how such decisions by lot shall be made in a fair manner.
B. A vote or election shall be decided by a majority of the tribes.
1. In the case of a magisterial election, candidates must
receive votes from at least 18 of the 35 tribes in order to win.
a. Should not enough candidates receive votes from at least
18 of the 35 tribes to fill all vacancies, a new election shall be
called within 30 days from the end of the current election.
b. Should more candidates receive votes from at least 18 of
the 35 tribes than there are vacancies, the winner shall be the
candidate who is a paterfamilias or materfamilias, or if such shall not
decide the issue, the winner shall be decided by lot. The rogatores may
decide how such decisions by lot shall be made in a fair manner.
2. In the case of a vote on a plebiscitum, 18 of the 35 tribes
must vote in favor for the plebiscitum to be adopted.
C. Votes may be tallied by automated means should the rogatores
determine such is preferable to, and at least as accurate as, a manual
count.
D. Only the aggregate votes of the tribes shall be delivered to the
presiding magistrate; the votes of individual citizens shall be secret.
______________________

Valete


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] ATTN: The Comitia Plebis Tributa is Convened
From:	"Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:35:09 +1000

Being a new plebeian, do I get to vote on this - how does voting work in
our Republic ???>>>

Marcus Sentius

-----Original Message-----
From: Fortunatus [mailto:labienus@--------]
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2001 1:36 Pm
To: novaromaannounce@--------
Cc: novaroma@--------; comitiaplebistributa@--------
Subject: [novaroma] ATTN: The Comitia Plebis Tributa is Convened

Tribunus Plebis T Labienus Fortunatus Quiritibus SPD

The Comitia Plebis Tributa is hereby convened. Voting shall begin
tomorrow, IV ante diem Nones Apriles (April 2), at 1 PM official Nova
Roma time. It shall end at 1 PM official Nova Roma time, III ante diem
Idus Apriles (April 11).

All plebeian citizens are asked to vote upon the following two items:

I. Electing a second tribunus plebis, candidates being:

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Quintus Sertorius

II. Enacting the following plebiscitum:
______________________
LEX LABIENIA DE RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS TRIBUTORUM

I. The Lex Vedia de Ratione Eligium and Lex Vedia de Ratione Comitiorum
Plebis Tributorum are hereby rescinded as they apply to the election of
magistrates and the voting of leges by the Comitia Plebis Tributa. This
Lex Labiena de Ratione Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum is hereby enacted to
define the procedures by which the Comitia Plebis Tributa shall conduct
the business of electing magistrates and voting on leges.

II. Calling the Comitia to Order.

A Tribunis Plebis may, as described in the Constitution, call the
Comitia to order, to hold a vote on a lex or leges, or to hold an
election. The magistrate who calls the Comitia to order shall be
referred to herein as the presiding magistrate.
A. This shall be done by making a public announcement announcing the
call in those public fora which shall have been designated for such
purpose, in which must be included:
1. The names of candidates for office and the office for which
they are running (when the Comitia is being called for an election),
2. The full text of any plebiscita which are being voted on
(when the Comitia is being called to legislate),
3. The dates when the members of the Comitia shall begin and
finish voting,
4. Any special instructions that pertain to the mechanics of the
vote, if any.
B. The presiding magistrate shall have the responsibility for taking
all reasonable precautions to ensure that candidates for a vote hold
whatever qualifications are required by law. The Censors shall assist in
such efforts as to the best of their ability.

III. Timing of the vote.

A. The announcement containing the call to vote must be issued at
least 120 hours (5 days) prior to the start of the vote. This period
shall be known as the Contio, and shall be used for formal discussion of
the issues and/or candidates before the People for vote.
B. During the Contio, those Constitutionally empowered to do so may
exercise their powers of intercessio or nuntiatio.
1. The exercise of intercessio shall cancel the vote or election
outright, although another call with the same items may be made at a
later date.
2. The exercise of nuntiatio shall extend the Contio, postponing
the start and end dates of the voting period by 24 hours, during which
time nuntiatio may again be exercised.
3. Should the exercise of nuntatio cause the voting period to
move such that it conflicts with calendarical restrictions as defined by
the Collegium Pontificum, the presiding magistrate may change or extend
the dates of the vote and/or contio at his or her discretion.
C. The period between the start and end of the voting must last no
less than 192 hours (8 days).
D. The ability to vote during the voting period may be impacted
and/or suspended due to calendrical issues as enacted by decreta of the
Collegium Pontificum.
E. The rogatores shall tally the vote and shall deliver the results
to the presiding magistrate within 48 hours of the close of the voting
period.
F. The presiding magistrate shall announce the results of the vote
within 24 hours of receiving the results from the rogatores, in at least
the same venues as the original announcement calling the vote was
published.

IV. Voting procedures.

A. The censors shall issue to each citizen a unique voter
identification code. This code shall be used to maintain anonymity in
the voting process, and to minimize the possibility of vote fraud. In a
timely fashion prior to the vote, the censors shall make available to
the rogatores a list of valid voter identification codes and the tribes
with which they are associated. The rogatores shall not have access to
the names of the citizens associated with particular voter
identification codes.
B. In consultation with the rogatores, the curator araneum shall
make available a cista; a secure web-based form to allow citizens to
vote directly through the official Nova Roma web site. This form shall
record the voter identification number and desired vote(s) of the
individual. The information thus collected will either be forwarded to
the rogatores as it is gathered, or at the end of the process, at their
discretion. Alternative methods of voting may be enacted by other
legislation as required.
C. Each Citizen shall have the opportunity to vote for a single
candidate for each office for which a vacancy exists, regardless of the
number of vacancies within a given magistracy. Citizens may cast a vote
for a candidate not listed on the ballot, or may waive their right to
cast a vote for a given magistracy. Once cast, no vote may be altered,
even with the correct voter identification code. Should multiple votes
be registered with the same voter identification code, only the first
one recorded shall be used when tallying the vote.

V. Procedures for counting votes.

A. Votes shall be counted by tribes.
1. In the case of a magisterial election, each tribe shall cast
a number of votes equal to the number of vacancies for the magistracy in
question. Votes shall be assigned to those candidates who received votes
by members of the tribe, with those candidates receiving the most valid
individual votes receiving the tribe's vote first, then working down in
descending order until all the tribe's votes have been assigned.
EXAMPLE: Four candidates are running for Tribunus Plebis.
Each tribe casts two votes, because there are two vacant positions. In
tribe III, there are 26 votes for candidate A, 32 votes for candidate B,
2 votes for candidate C, and 13 votes for candidate D. The tribe's two
votes are cast for candidates A and B, since they received the two
highest vote-totals within the tribe.
2. In the case of a vote on a plebiscitum, each tribe shall vote
in favor of the plebiscitum if a majority of the votes received by
members of the tribe are in favor. Otherwise, the tribe shall be
considered to have voted against the proposed plebiscitum.
3. Should a tie occur within a given tribe, the winner shall be
the candidate who is a paterfamilias or materfamilias, or if such shall
not decide the issue, the winner shall be decided by lot. The rogatores
may decide how such decisions by lot shall be made in a fair manner.
B. A vote or election shall be decided by a majority of the tribes.
1. In the case of a magisterial election, candidates must
receive votes from at least 18 of the 35 tribes in order to win.
a. Should not enough candidates receive votes from at least
18 of the 35 tribes to fill all vacancies, a new election shall be
called within 30 days from the end of the current election.
b. Should more candidates receive votes from at least 18 of
the 35 tribes than there are vacancies, the winner shall be the
candidate who is a paterfamilias or materfamilias, or if such shall not
decide the issue, the winner shall be decided by lot. The rogatores may
decide how such decisions by lot shall be made in a fair manner.
2. In the case of a vote on a plebiscitum, 18 of the 35 tribes
must vote in favor for the plebiscitum to be adopted.
C. Votes may be tallied by automated means should the rogatores
determine such is preferable to, and at least as accurate as, a manual
count.
D. Only the aggregate votes of the tribes shall be delivered to the
presiding magistrate; the votes of individual citizens shall be secret.
______________________

Valete

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] P. Gramatinicus Albinus
From:	Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata <LucillaCornelia@-------->
Date:	Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:01:24 -0700 (PDT)

Salve P. Gramatinice Albine,

What excellent news, indeed! We are all so very, very
proud of you and your outstanding accomplishments.
May the Gods bless your dedication and most marvelous
efforts in promoting Classical life.

I shall keep a sanctuary flame lit for you as you
compete on the National level. Know that Vesta shall
watch over you in all you do.

Vale bene et Pace Deorum,
Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata
Virgo Maxima

--- syphax_venaliccii@-------- wrote:
> Salvete! I have good news! Just recently, on March
> 30-31, I
> participated in the Texas State Junior Classical
> League's State
> convention at the University of North Texas. I
> competed in three
> events, and here are my results:
>
> 4th place, Roman Life level IV
> 5th place, Greek Life and Literature level IV
> 10th place, Boy's Costume, Saturn (this is the least
> proud of my
> accomplishments, for more details abou this blemish,
> email me)
>
> I placed high enough to be eligible to attend
> Nationals. It will be
> held at Tulane University in New Orleans.
> before I go, I would appreciate any help on my
> costume. Pictures of
> what I had are available, just email me. Anything is
> appreciated.
>
>
> P. Gramatinicus Albinus
>
>
>

=====
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Invalid Voter Codes
From:	"A. Cato" <a.cato@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:25:15 -0400

Salve: You should have received a Voter Code. I have forwarded your E-mail
to our Curator Araneae and one of our Censores to check on this situation.
If you have a Voter Code you should go to the Nova Roma main site where you
can find an announcement for the voting. The voting is being held in the
Comitia Populi Tributa and taking place at the Cista. You will enter your
Voter Code and then be able to vote. See if you have been sent a code of
three letters followed by three numbers. If you continue to have a problem
after this please feel free to contact me. Vale, ... Appius Tullius
Marcellus Cato

civis Novae Romae et Rogator
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 6:59 PM
Subject: FW: [novaroma] Invalid Voter Codes

>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark A Bird
> Sent: Monday, 2 April 2001 9:11 Am
> To: 'novaroma@--------'
> Subject: RE: [novaroma] Invalid Voter Codes
>
>
> Salvete
>
> How can I vote - do I have to be a citezan for a certain time as I have
> only just been accepted (about a month ago) - do I vote ???
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A. Cato [mailto:a.cato@--------]
> Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2001 11:36 Am
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] Invalid Voter Codes
>
>
> Salvete Omnes: This is a list of invalid voter codes. Those citizens
> whose tracking numbers are listed here are advised to try to vote again.
> If there are any further problems, please contact the Censores or
> Rogatores.
> Vale, ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, ... Rogator
>
> Tracking Number
>
> # 4015
> 4018
> 4021
> 4024
> 4027
> 4063
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] The civil law committee (was ATTN: Edictum Praetoricium)
From:	Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata <LucillaCornelia@-------->
Date:	Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:28:05 -0700 (PDT)

Salve Inaestimabile Consul Germanicus,

Esteemed Consul, if I may, "Next year in the Forum!"
seems such a worthy phrase. May we know the sentiment
behind it?

Vale bene et pace Deorum,
Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata
Virgo Maxima

--- Flavius Vedius Germanicus
<germanicus@--------> wrote:

<snip>

> Next year in the Forum!
>
> Vale,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
>
> email: germanicus@--------
> AIM: Flavius Vedius
> www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
>
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Ignis Inextinctus
From:	Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata <LucillaCornelia@-------->
Date:	Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:42:00 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete Omnes,

I extend this invitation to join with me in prayer as
the Ignis Inextinctus -- the undying hearth fire of
Vesta -- is re-lit for the benefit of Nova Roma and
all Her Cives.

This ceremony will take place on Tuesday, 3 April 2001
CE, at 10:00 pm EDT. I will be assisted in this holy
rite by our first Candidata Vestalis, Cornelia
Sempronia, and ask that you pray along with us for the
blessings of our Sacred Mother, Vesta, as we rekindle
Her public hearth for the first time in over a year.

As you perform your Lararium rites today, take a
moment to reflect on Vesta, most Roman of Goddesses,
whose Hearth is the House of Rome. Without Her fire,
the house is merely an edifice, momentarily occupied.

Vale bene et pace Deorum,
Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata
Virgo Maxima

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Subject:	[novaroma] Marcus Sentius : Invalid Voter Codes
From:	"A. Cato" <a.cato@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 02:17:26 -0400

Salve Marce Senti: Please read the below message. I have sent this to the
main list as I kept getting it sent back to me undelivered when I tried to
E-mail you personally. Could you please double check your E-mail address
that appears in your sent E-mails? Thanks, and best of luck. Ave atque
vale, ... Appius Cato, civis Novae Romae et Rogator.

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A. Cato" <a.cato@-------->
> To: <mark a bird@-------->
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:52 AM
> Subject: Fw: [novaroma] Invalid Voter Codes
>
>
> > Salve: If you have received a Voter Code (three letters followed by
three
> > numbers) you may vote. Could you please let me know if you were sent a
> Voter
> > Code? I sent a note to the main list giving a short explanation for you
on
> > how to go about the voting procedure. I have also sent notes to the
> > magistrates concerned with this issue to check on whether or not you
have
> > been sent a Voter Code. These codes are necessary in order to give the
> > process a high level of security. I can only ask you to keep trying.
> > Sometimes as a new citizen things are a little slow to get rolling
along,
> so
> > to speak. Especially when there is so much work to do during election
and
> > voting sessions when everyone is busy. Those of us who hold positions as
> > magistrates have a great deal of work to do at these times, many of them
> > much more work to do than I have, and we have our regular jobs or
studies
> > and families in the macro world as well. So all I can say is please have
> > patience, and we will try to assist you in every way we can. We
certainly
> > want everyone to take their part in the procedure, as is their right.
When
> I
> > first became a citizen, I ran into a similar situation, so I can
> understand
> > that you may be feeling a little frustrated. Please let me know if you
> have
> > a Voter Code. Best wishes, and best of luck. Ave atque vale, ...
Appius
> > Tullius Marcellus Cato
> >
> > civis Novae Romae
> >
> > Rogator
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
> > To: <novaroma@-------->
> > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 6:59 PM
> > Subject: FW: [novaroma] Invalid Voter Codes
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mark A Bird
> > > Sent: Monday, 2 April 2001 9:11 Am
> > > To: 'novaroma@--------'
> > > Subject: RE: [novaroma] Invalid Voter Codes
> > >
> > >
> > > Salvete
> > >
> > > How can I vote - do I have to be a citezan for a certain time as I
have
> > > only just been accepted (about a month ago) - do I vote ???
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: A. Cato [mailto:a.cato@--------]
> > > Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2001 11:36 Am
> > > To: novaroma@--------
> > > Subject: [novaroma] Invalid Voter Codes
> > >
> > >
> > > Salvete Omnes: This is a list of invalid voter codes. Those citizens
> > > whose tracking numbers are listed here are advised to try to vote
again.
> > > If there are any further problems, please contact the Censores or
> > > Rogatores.
> > > Vale, ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, ... Rogator
> > >
> > > Tracking Number
> > >
> > > # 4015
> > > 4018
> > > 4021
> > > 4024
> > > 4027
> > > 4063
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Sautationes
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 04:27:06 -0500

3 April 2001

Salve Gnaeus

We use the main list for general communication, the Provincia lists fro
local communications, and then there are special interest groups. I run four
egruops and am currently subscribed to 44 others egroups on old Roma! This
makes for a lot of reading, but I know what is going on. I hope this helps a
little.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

Queastor
Nova Roma
Propraetor
Canada Occidentalis

Join the Main List for Nova Roma
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodrigo Alvarez Garcia-Sanchidrian" <benllera@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 8:39 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Sautationes

> Salve, cives novoromani.
>
> I am a new citizen of Nova Roma that has not yet
> received a formal response from the censors for his
> application. I know this is due to the comitial
> process in which the Republic is involved, so I am not
> too worried about it -yet-.
>
> I just wanted to say "Hello" to everybody, and to make
> a few questions on the things I have read in these
> past days here in Nova Roma.
>
> My first question is about the wide variety of mailing
> lists available. There's this list, and there's a
> provincial list as well (NRHispania, for me); but then
> you have the Forum Romanum on the website, and a live
> chat as well!. Could someone please explain to me
> which one is the most used by Novaromans? I sometime
> feel lost having to look in different places.
>
> Actually, this first question of mine is the only one
> I can think of right now -it's pretty late-.
>
> Thank you all in advance.
>
> Gnaeus Salix Astur, protocivis romanus.
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Polls are soon to be open
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 06:46:03 -0500

3 April 2001

Salve All

Good day everyone, today the Polls will open, and it is our Plebeian duty to come out and vote! The recent run off election saw low voter turn out, this must not continue! I ask that all Plebs vote in this election as we need to exercise our civic duty and get out to vote!! Once the polls are open in reality I will post the link to all my egroups. Remember VOTE SERTORIUS.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

Queastor
Nova Roma
Propraetor
Canada Occidentalis

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Subject:	[novaroma] VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 06:49:26 -0500

VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Ignis Inextinctus
From:	Piparskeggr Ullarsson <catamount_grange@-------->
Date:	Tue, 03 Apr 2001 08:08:07 -0500

Salus et Fortuna -

Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I extend this invitation to join with me in prayer as
> the Ignis Inextinctus -- the undying hearth fire of
> Vesta -- is re-lit for the benefit of Nova Roma and
> all Her Cives.
>
> (excision)
>
> Vale bene et pace Deorum,
> Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata
> Virgo Maxima
>

During the weekend of 23 to 25 March I attended a get together for members of an Heathen list which
I help moderate.

One of the ceremonies in which we Heathens participate to honor the Gods and give voice to Kin
memory and Self-boast is called Sumbel.

At a small Sumbel Sunday evening, with men and women who had become good friends, I raised the Horn
of Mead in toast to Vesta. My fellow Heathens returned words of honor and respect to Her Who Wards
the Hearth and Home.

--
===========================================
In Amicus sub Fidelis, Benedicte Omnes!
- Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
Cives, Paterfamilias Gens Ulleria
Qu�stor, Legate, Dominus Sodalis


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Gladiator question: Scripts
From:	ksterne@--------
Date:	Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:55:10 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@r...> wrote:
> Ave Gaius
>
> I loved that series of books, it is a pitty that the proposed 9
novels
> will not be finished.
>
>
> Salve
>
> Marcus Sentius Claudius
>
>
Salve Marcus Sentius,

Re: the McCullough series, I read in an interview that she will
resume the series after she writes 2 books on Australia. One of the
Australia books ("Morgan's Run"???) is already finished...so, perhaps
there is still hope.

I for one, think the series is absolutely fantastic and amazingly
historically accurate.

Vale,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Citizen


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:15:54 -0400

Salvete

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Quintus Sertorius [mailto:quintus-sertorius@--------]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 07:49
>
> VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE

Aside from getting two dozen or so copies of this same message ;-), I would
like to question our good candidate for Tribune on one aspect of his
candidacy.

Given that you already serve in a magisterial position (quaestor) as well as
a governorship (Canada Occidentalis), do you not feel that there would be a
conflict of interest between those roles and the role of Tribune of the
Plebs? After all, the Tribunes are our guardians of the Constitution against
excesses by other magistrates. Given the fact that we are not forced by a
lack of candidates this time around to double-up on jobs (as we have,
admittedly, had to do in the past), how do you justify seeking a post which
could, conceivably, be called upon to overturn the actions of one of your
other offices? I would think that, of all the magistracies in our Republic,
the Tribune of the Plebs should have no other interests during his tenure in
office.

I do not ask this in an adversarial capacity, but more to point out an
aspect of your particular situation which may not have occurred to you or
others.

Next year in the Forum!

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org


Subject:	[novaroma] Next year in the Forum! (was RE: The civil law committee)
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:15:53 -0400

Salvete;

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata [mailto:LucillaCornelia@--------]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 00:28
>
> Esteemed Consul, if I may, "Next year in the Forum!"
> seems such a worthy phrase. May we know the sentiment
> behind it?

Using "Next year in the Forum!" as a closing line in my emails is a
paraphrase of a custom among members of the Jewish Zionist movement in the
late 19th and early 20th centuries. Before Israel was a state, they would
often end conversations by saying "Next year in Jerusalem!" as a reminder
and hope-filled promise that someday soon their dream of being able to
return to their homeland would be realized.

I have taken to using it myself in a similar capacity; as a reminder, and
hope, that someday soon our own dream of being able to meet in a real-world
Forum of our own, a little piece of sovereign territory to stand as the
center of Romanitas, will be fulfilled. So, in that spirit, I end this email
and say, with hope and determination...

Next year in the Forum!

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Salutationes
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Rodrigo=20Alvarez=20Garcia-Sanchidrian?= <benllera@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:10:01 +0200 (CEST)

--- Quintus Sertorius <quintus-sertorius@-------->
escribi�: > 3 April 2001
>
> Salve Gnaeus
>
> We use the main list for general communication, the
> Provincia lists fro
> local communications, and then there are special
> interest groups. I run four
> egruops and am currently subscribed to 44 others
> egroups on old Roma! This
> makes for a lot of reading, but I know what is going
> on. I hope this helps a
> little.
>
> Vale
>
> Quintus Sertorius
>
> Queastor
> Nova Roma
> Propraetor
> Canada Occidentalis
>

Salve Sertorius, et salvete romani.

Thank you very much for the information. I'm really
impressed with the number of messages I have received
in just one day. I have to say I like it very much.

But another question comes to my mind.
As I told you all in my previous message, I have not
received the confirmation of my acceptance as citizen
yet. Now I read that a new comitial process has just
began. I wouldn't like to appear anxious, but I'd like
to know how long should I expect to wait till I
receive complete citizenship.

Thanks in advance.
Gnaeus Salix Astur, protocivis romanus.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:54:43 -0500

Good day Consul, happy you replied. My comments below;

----- Original Message -----
From: "Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE

> Salvete
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Quintus Sertorius [mailto:quintus-sertorius@--------]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 07:49
> >
> > VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE
>
> Aside from getting two dozen or so copies of this same message ;-), I
would
> like to question our good candidate for Tribune on one aspect of his
> candidacy.

QS;
Sorry about all those emails, but a candidate must do what a candidate
must!!

FVG;
>
> Given that you already serve in a magisterial position (quaestor) as well
as
> a governorship (Canada Occidentalis), do you not feel that there would be
a
> conflict of interest between those roles and the role of Tribune of the
> Plebs? After all, the Tribunes are our guardians of the Constitution
against
> excesses by other magistrates.

QS;
I suppose I will have watch I do not disagree with myself then. But
seriously, since I am only one magistrate, with an oath sworn to better Nova
Roma in all my offices, I do not foresee to much problems a conflicts of
interest. Besides, I will be on constant watch, and I will notice any
conflicts appearing in the form of political icebergs on our Nova Roman sea.

Given the fact that we are not forced by a
> lack of candidates this time around to double-up on jobs (as we have,
> admittedly, had to do in the past), how do you justify seeking a post
which
> could, conceivably, be called upon to overturn the actions of one of your
> other offices?

QS;
I agree that we should watchful of this, and I weighted this in my mind
before submitting my name. BUT, I came to the conclusion that I would be a
damn good Tribune! And, it was more important that there be an election, as
opposed to a victory by acclimation! Is far as conceivably being called upon
to resend one of my own actions! Well, I would like to call upon anyone the
TRY and maneuver me into such a position!!

FVG;
I would think that, of all the magistracies in our Republic,
> the Tribune of the Plebs should have no other interests during his tenure
in
> office.

QS;
Then the law must be changed, but till then, I am hurting no one!

FVG;
> I do not ask this in an adversarial capacity, but more to point out an
> aspect of your particular situation which may not have occurred to you or
> others.
>

QS;
I know that you do not know me personally, Consul, (something I hope we can
one day change,... Perhaps at your address to our Micro-nation you will make
in 2008!), but I can assure you ALL my decisions are thought out. I believe
my mental capacity is a creation of any years of overcoming adversity, but
those are my musings..... Once again I assure the ENTIRE Micro-nation, all
my intentions are honorable, totally within the confines of our Laws, nor is
it a first.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

Queastor
Nova Roma
Propraetor
Canada Occidentalis

Join the Main List for Nova Roma
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/novaroma

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_CanOcc

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Salutationes
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:06:03 -0500

Send an email to the Censors and ask them of the progress of your
application. If you do not get a reply after couple of days email me again
and I will contact them myself to find out what is up. OK?

QS

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodrigo Alvarez Garcia-Sanchidrian" <benllera@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Salutationes

>
> --- Quintus Sertorius <quintus-sertorius@-------->
> escribi�: > 3 April 2001
> >
> > Salve Gnaeus
> >
> > We use the main list for general communication, the
> > Provincia lists fro
> > local communications, and then there are special
> > interest groups. I run four
> > egruops and am currently subscribed to 44 others
> > egroups on old Roma! This
> > makes for a lot of reading, but I know what is going
> > on. I hope this helps a
> > little.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Quintus Sertorius
> >
> > Queastor
> > Nova Roma
> > Propraetor
> > Canada Occidentalis
> >
>
> Salve Sertorius, et salvete romani.
>
> Thank you very much for the information. I'm really
> impressed with the number of messages I have received
> in just one day. I have to say I like it very much.
>
> But another question comes to my mind.
> As I told you all in my previous message, I have not
> received the confirmation of my acceptance as citizen
> yet. Now I read that a new comitial process has just
> began. I wouldn't like to appear anxious, but I'd like
> to know how long should I expect to wait till I
> receive complete citizenship.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Gnaeus Salix Astur, protocivis romanus.
>
> _______________________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Env�a mensajes instant�neos y recibe alertas de correo con
> Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Salutationes
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:36:19 -0400

Salve;

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Quintus Sertorius [mailto:quintus-sertorius@--------]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 14:06
>
> Send an email to the Censors and ask them of the progress of your
> application. If you do not get a reply after couple of days email me again
> and I will contact them myself to find out what is up. OK?

If I may remind our good Quaestor, citizenship applications are normally put
on hold while elections are in progress. With the Comitia Plebis Tributa
vote having just begun, all applications will be held up for about another
week and a half.

Next year in the Forum!

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org


Subject:	[novaroma] Time to VOTE Plebs!!
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:16:56 -0500

3 April 2001

Salve All

Here is the link you need to go to inorder to vote; http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/voting/ . If you have any questions about your voting codes, please check your files first to see if you have them before you try to contact the Censors at; censors (as they are the busiest people in Nova Roma!). Get out and VOTE Plebs, now is your chance to make a difference! Thank you.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

Queastor
Nova Roma
Propraetor
Canada Occidentalis

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Salutationes
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:18:48 -0500

Thanks Consul for this, one thing I have learned in NR is that I have a lot
to learn.

QS

----- Original Message -----
From: "Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:36 PM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] Salutationes

> Salve;
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Quintus Sertorius [mailto:quintus-sertorius@--------]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 14:06
> >
> > Send an email to the Censors and ask them of the progress of your
> > application. If you do not get a reply after couple of days email me
again
> > and I will contact them myself to find out what is up. OK?
>
> If I may remind our good Quaestor, citizenship applications are normally
put
> on hold while elections are in progress. With the Comitia Plebis Tributa
> vote having just begun, all applications will be held up for about another
> week and a half.
>
> Next year in the Forum!
>
> Vale,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
>
> email: germanicus@--------
> AIM: Flavius Vedius
> www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE
From:	"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:43:42 -0700

Salvete Quinte et Quiritibus!

Well said! I know you to be extremely honorable, energetic and measured
in all things. As a proud Plebeian, I know you will do nothing but serve
our great Respublica and its cives well and selflessly in all things you do.
It can be appreciated that this was a well-thought decision on your part
and are wise enough to not allow any conflicts to intervene with the execution
of your duties of office.

We are indeed honored that you have stepped forth yet again in service
of our Respublica and all Plebeians would be well served by casting
their votes for you.

For the newer citizens, I'd like to point out that Quintus Sertorius
has done nothing but serve our Respublica to the fullest since his
arrival. He is a tireless governor, an esteemed Quaestor and diligent
contributor to many various Sodalitas, lists, discussions and
events. He is always available and makes his presence known and
appreciated wherever he goes within our nation.

It should be also noted, that though we certainly respect our
esteemed Consul's opinion and that of all the other Patrician officials, this
election
and its issues are for *Plebeians* and not Patricians. It is up to us
as Plebeians to choose our own destiny in the upcoming elections.

Bene valete and....Vote for Quintus!
Oppius Flaccus Severus
Legatus America Boreoccidentalis Major et Sacerdos Neptunus et Proud Plebeian
-----Original Message-----
From: Quintus Sertorius [mailto:quintus-sertorius@--------]
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:55 AM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE

Good day Consul, happy you replied. My comments below;

----- Original Message -----
From: "Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE

> Salvete
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Quintus Sertorius [mailto:quintus-sertorius@--------]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 07:49
> >
> > VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE
>
> Aside from getting two dozen or so copies of this same message ;-), I
would
> like to question our good candidate for Tribune on one aspect of his
> candidacy.

QS;
Sorry about all those emails, but a candidate must do what a candidate
must!!

FVG;
>
> Given that you already serve in a magisterial position (quaestor) as well
as
> a governorship (Canada Occidentalis), do you not feel that there would be
a
> conflict of interest between those roles and the role of Tribune of the
> Plebs? After all, the Tribunes are our guardians of the Constitution
against
> excesses by other magistrates.

QS;
I suppose I will have watch I do not disagree with myself then. But
seriously, since I am only one magistrate, with an oath sworn to better Nova
Roma in all my offices, I do not foresee to much problems a conflicts of
interest. Besides, I will be on constant watch, and I will notice any
conflicts appearing in the form of political icebergs on our Nova Roman sea.

Given the fact that we are not forced by a
> lack of candidates this time around to double-up on jobs (as we have,
> admittedly, had to do in the past), how do you justify seeking a post
which
> could, conceivably, be called upon to overturn the actions of one of your
> other offices?

QS;
I agree that we should watchful of this, and I weighted this in my mind
before submitting my name. BUT, I came to the conclusion that I would be a
damn good Tribune! And, it was more important that there be an election, as
opposed to a victory by acclimation! Is far as conceivably being called upon
to resend one of my own actions! Well, I would like to call upon anyone the
TRY and maneuver me into such a position!!

FVG;
I would think that, of all the magistracies in our Republic,
> the Tribune of the Plebs should have no other interests during his tenure
in
> office.

QS;
Then the law must be changed, but till then, I am hurting no one!

FVG;
> I do not ask this in an adversarial capacity, but more to point out an
> aspect of your particular situation which may not have occurred to you or
> others.
>

QS;
I know that you do not know me personally, Consul, (something I hope we can
one day change,... Perhaps at your address to our Micro-nation you will make
in 2008!), but I can assure you ALL my decisions are thought out. I believe
my mental capacity is a creation of any years of overcoming adversity, but
those are my musings..... Once again I assure the ENTIRE Micro-nation, all
my intentions are honorable, totally within the confines of our Laws, nor is
it a first.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

Queastor
Nova Roma
Propraetor
Canada Occidentalis

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:01:48 -0400

Salvete

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oppius Flaccus Severus [mailto:oppiusflaccus@--------]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 14:44
>
> It should be also noted, that though we certainly respect our
> esteemed Consul's opinion and that of all the other Patrician
> officials, this election
> and its issues are for *Plebeians* and not Patricians. It is up to us
> as Plebeians to choose our own destiny in the upcoming elections.

In Roma Antiqua, members of the Patrician order participated in discussion
and debate on matters and candidates put to the Plebeians, because decisions
made there impacted all cives, not only the Plebs. It was only when the
actual vote took place that the Patricians left the field. So too is it here
in Nova Roma, despite the attempts of some to foster divisiveness between
Patrician and Plebeian.

Rest assured that I shall continue to voice my opinions on matters put
before the Comitia Plebis-- regardless of Oppius Flaccus Severus' apparent
feelings that they have no place there-- as the decisions made by that
assembly impact me, a Patrician, as much as they do any Plebeian. I was
elected Consul of all Nova Romans, Plebeians included, and to stifle my
thoughts merely because I cannot personally participate in a vote would be
to do a disservice to all our cives, Patrician and Plebeian alike.

Next year in the Forum!

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:51:05 -0500

Pax Consul, Pax! I would like to hear what you have to say about what I
said!

QS

----- Original Message -----
From: "Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:01 PM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE

> Salvete
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Oppius Flaccus Severus [mailto:oppiusflaccus@--------]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 14:44
> >
> > It should be also noted, that though we certainly respect our
> > esteemed Consul's opinion and that of all the other Patrician
> > officials, this election
> > and its issues are for *Plebeians* and not Patricians. It is up to us
> > as Plebeians to choose our own destiny in the upcoming elections.
>
> In Roma Antiqua, members of the Patrician order participated in discussion
> and debate on matters and candidates put to the Plebeians, because
decisions
> made there impacted all cives, not only the Plebs. It was only when the
> actual vote took place that the Patricians left the field. So too is it
here
> in Nova Roma, despite the attempts of some to foster divisiveness between
> Patrician and Plebeian.
>
> Rest assured that I shall continue to voice my opinions on matters put
> before the Comitia Plebis-- regardless of Oppius Flaccus Severus' apparent
> feelings that they have no place there-- as the decisions made by that
> assembly impact me, a Patrician, as much as they do any Plebeian. I was
> elected Consul of all Nova Romans, Plebeians included, and to stifle my
> thoughts merely because I cannot personally participate in a vote would be
> to do a disservice to all our cives, Patrician and Plebeian alike.
>
> Next year in the Forum!
>
> Vale,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
>
> email: germanicus@--------
> AIM: Flavius Vedius
> www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>


Subject:	[novaroma] Romulus and Remus
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:35:44 -0000

Salvete Civites:

A humble opinion if I may......

With due respect to all parties voicing opinions in the current
political discussion, I sincerely stand by the Consul.

It would be incorrect of him not to voice concerns regarding matters
which invariably affect us all as Nova Romani, be we patricians or
plebians. Indeed, this is a plebian election, but it is not strictly a
plebian forum, with strictly plebian outcomes.

Reverentia,
Pompeia Cornelia


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE
From:	"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:42:39 -0700

Salvete Consul Germanicus et Quiritibus;
-----Original Message-----
From: Flavius Vedius Germanicus [mailto:germanicus@--------]
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 12:02 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: RE: [novaroma] VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE

Salvete

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oppius Flaccus Severus [mailto:oppiusflaccus@--------]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 14:44
>
> It should be also noted, that though we certainly respect our
> esteemed Consul's opinion and that of all the other Patrician
> officials, this election
> and its issues are for *Plebeians* and not Patricians. It is up to us
> as Plebeians to choose our own destiny in the upcoming elections.

In Roma Antiqua, members of the Patrician order participated in discussion
and debate on matters and candidates put to the Plebeians, because decisions
made there impacted all cives, not only the Plebs. It was only when the
actual vote took place that the Patricians left the field. So too is it here
in Nova Roma, despite the attempts of some to foster divisiveness between
Patrician and Plebeian.

OFS: Esteemed Consul, perhaps either I was not clear enough,
or maybe misunderstood. No matter; both circumstances happen
quite frequently on this list. Please allow me to clarify:

First of all it is not 'divisiveness' to make an appeal for
'context' when considering a vote. I have every right to ask
Plebeians to consider the whole for 'their' election, as you have
to state otherwise.

Secondly, I did not say that no one else could not (or would not)
voice their opinion
on election matters here. The point is that for Plebeians, it is
indeed up to us to make our own decisions on the matters that
concern us, which is the intent of the post. Thus being said, though Patricians
may have many of their own opinions on the matter,
the opinions are just that. -As with mine, as with yours. The voters will
decide.

And since we're sharing a moment of clarity, this is not Antiqua,
this is Nova Roma. Something that has proven itself in discussion
time and again.

Rest assured that I shall continue to voice my opinions on matters put
before the Comitia Plebis-- regardless of Oppius Flaccus Severus' apparent
feelings that they have no place there

OFS: Yes, 'apparent' is an adequate description. Per above, there
was no mention of suggesting your 'place' on any matter of opinion
voiced on this list. This is public list; a *very* public list by
definition. The appeal was to voters. (Not to be indelicate, but
you are not a voter in this election.)

As you deem necessary to question the motives of one candidate
over another (voters: both candidates by the way are Provincial
Governors, not just Quintus Sertorius, it seems necessary to voice
*my* opinion as a Plebeian, that we all keep such things in proper
context. Fear not, we fully well all understand that you will exercise your
opinion when and where you see fit -as will I, as will others
as well and in the end, the voters will decide.

-- as the decisions made by that
assembly impact me, a Patrician, as much as they do any Plebeian. I was
elected Consul of all Nova Romans, Plebeians included, and to stifle my
thoughts merely because I cannot personally participate in a vote would be
to do a disservice to all our cives, Patrician and Plebeian alike.

OFS: Stifle? Hmmmm...I'd like to see where that was mentioned, or
even hinted at. The comments above should clear up (hopefully,) any
misconceptions of my 'intent.' If we're going to dissect one candidate's
motives over another, then I think we can *all* expect some opinion
sharing.

Bene valete,
-Oppius Flaccus Severus

<snipped>


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Romulus and Remus
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:30:29 -0500

My comments below;

----- Original Message -----
From: <trog99@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:35 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Romulus and Remus

> Salvete Civites:
>
> A humble opinion if I may......

QS;
Pomeia your opinion has always been one of wisdom!

>
> With due respect to all parties voicing opinions in the current
> political discussion, I sincerely stand by the Consul.
>
> It would be incorrect of him not to voice concerns regarding matters
> which invariably affect us all as Nova Romani, be we patricians or
> plebians. Indeed, this is a plebian election, but it is not strictly a
> plebian forum, with strictly plebian outcomes.

QS;
No one ever said no one was welcome, at this early stage in our development
we must, as one, work toward to same mission, the betterment of New Rome.
The two Orders are not divided, nor has anyone tring to divide them as the
Consul alluded to! BUT we MUST watch over our Plebeian institutions(as is
apparent), and to say nothing at this stage would be neglectful on our
Plebeian duty!!.... I think Oppius just wanted to express this, Plebeians
will exercise there rights, and try to advance our Republic.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

Queastor
Nova Roma
Propraetor
Canada Occidentalis


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE
From:	"Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:01:49 -0700

Salvete Omnes,
I also considered applying for the office of Tribune of the Plebs and
considered the issue of conflict of interest between the post of governor
and the post of Tribune. As I thought it over, the only real conflict I saw
was that I might take an action as a Propraetor that my collegial partner
Tribune wanted to intercessio-nize and I could stop him by not issuing my
half of the intercessio. I realized that if my actions ever became that
despicable the Senate could and should remove me from the governorship I
abused. Don't we Propraetors serve at the whim of the Senate? The same
applies to Q. Sertorius.
Our system does seem to be a good one, with some checks against abuses of
power in place. No system of protection against abuse by those in authority
is perfect. Just ask G W and J "Shrub" (Bush). :) In my opinion we have
little to fear due to both the existing protections in our system and the
honor of my esteemed colleague Q. Sertorius.

Lucius Mauricius Procopious
Propraetor America Boreoccidentalis
(This is an unofficial post for which I assume full responsibility)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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"Indeed, it is not by the plans of men, but by the hand of God that the
affairs of men are directed; and this men call Fate, not knowing the reason
for what things they see occur; and what seems to be without cause is easy
to call the accident of chance. Still, this is a matter every mortal will
decide for himself according to his taste."
-Procopius of Caesarea (in Palestine) [born c.490/507- died c.560s]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:15 AM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE

> Salvete
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Quintus Sertorius [mailto:quintus-sertorius@--------]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 07:49
> >
> > VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE
>
> Aside from getting two dozen or so copies of this same message ;-), I
would
> like to question our good candidate for Tribune on one aspect of his
> candidacy.
>
> Given that you already serve in a magisterial position (quaestor) as well
as
> a governorship (Canada Occidentalis), do you not feel that there would be
a
> conflict of interest between those roles and the role of Tribune of the
> Plebs? After all, the Tribunes are our guardians of the Constitution
against
> excesses by other magistrates. Given the fact that we are not forced by a
> lack of candidates this time around to double-up on jobs (as we have,
> admittedly, had to do in the past), how do you justify seeking a post
which
> could, conceivably, be called upon to overturn the actions of one of your
> other offices? I would think that, of all the magistracies in our
Republic,
> the Tribune of the Plebs should have no other interests during his tenure
in
> office.
>
> I do not ask this in an adversarial capacity, but more to point out an
> aspect of your particular situation which may not have occurred to you or
> others.
>
> Next year in the Forum!
>
> Vale,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
>
> email: germanicus@--------
> AIM: Flavius Vedius
> www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>


Subject:	[novaroma] PARTICIPATE!
From:	"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:03:38 +0200

Salvete Quirites,

I hereby encourage the citizens of Rome not to forget to participate in the festival of the Cerealia and the Romae Conditio festival with their creative artwork. Don't hesitate to participate! (to view the rules check the archives for the email sent by Marcus Arminius Maior or ask me privately). NR needs your input.

Valete!
Sextus Apollonius Draco, civis Novae Romae
Legatus Galliae Borealis,
Procurator Galliae,
Scriba Aedilis Plebis,
Lupercus Fabianus
Coryphaeus Sodalitatis Musarum,
Musaeus Collegii Eratus,
Musaeus Collegii Uraniae
Triumvir Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Vainqueur, ICQ# 32924725
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:50:04 -0500

Thank you for this, Lucius, I do appreciate it.

QS

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE

> Salvete Omnes,
> I also considered applying for the office of Tribune of the Plebs and
> considered the issue of conflict of interest between the post of governor
> and the post of Tribune. As I thought it over, the only real conflict I
saw
> was that I might take an action as a Propraetor that my collegial partner
> Tribune wanted to intercessio-nize and I could stop him by not issuing my
> half of the intercessio. I realized that if my actions ever became that
> despicable the Senate could and should remove me from the governorship I
> abused. Don't we Propraetors serve at the whim of the Senate? The same
> applies to Q. Sertorius.
> Our system does seem to be a good one, with some checks against abuses of
> power in place. No system of protection against abuse by those in
authority
> is perfect. Just ask G W and J "Shrub" (Bush). :) In my opinion we have
> little to fear due to both the existing protections in our system and the
> honor of my esteemed colleague Q. Sertorius.
>
> Lucius Mauricius Procopious
> Propraetor America Boreoccidentalis
> (This is an unofficial post for which I assume full responsibility)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> procopious@--------
> ICQ# 83516618
> *America Boreoccidentalis Mail List
> http://www.egroups.com/group/AmBor_Waves
> * The Gens Mauricia
> http://www.geocities.com/procopious
>
> "Indeed, it is not by the plans of men, but by the hand of God that the
> affairs of men are directed; and this men call Fate, not knowing the
reason
> for what things they see occur; and what seems to be without cause is easy
> to call the accident of chance. Still, this is a matter every mortal will
> decide for himself according to his taste."
> -Procopius of Caesarea (in Palestine) [born c.490/507- died c.560s]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:15 AM
> Subject: RE: [novaroma] VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE
>
>
> > Salvete
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Quintus Sertorius [mailto:quintus-sertorius@--------]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 07:49
> > >
> > > VOTE SERTORIUS FOR TRIBUNE
> >
> > Aside from getting two dozen or so copies of this same message ;-), I
> would
> > like to question our good candidate for Tribune on one aspect of his
> > candidacy.
> >
> > Given that you already serve in a magisterial position (quaestor) as
well
> as
> > a governorship (Canada Occidentalis), do you not feel that there would
be
> a
> > conflict of interest between those roles and the role of Tribune of the
> > Plebs? After all, the Tribunes are our guardians of the Constitution
> against
> > excesses by other magistrates. Given the fact that we are not forced by
a
> > lack of candidates this time around to double-up on jobs (as we have,
> > admittedly, had to do in the past), how do you justify seeking a post
> which
> > could, conceivably, be called upon to overturn the actions of one of
your
> > other offices? I would think that, of all the magistracies in our
> Republic,
> > the Tribune of the Plebs should have no other interests during his
tenure
> in
> > office.
> >
> > I do not ask this in an adversarial capacity, but more to point out an
> > aspect of your particular situation which may not have occurred to you
or
> > others.
> >
> > Next year in the Forum!
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> > Consul
> >
> > email: germanicus@--------
> > AIM: Flavius Vedius
> > www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] PARTICIPATE!
From:	"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:14:09 -0700

Salvete Quiritibus;

I join my voice in chorus to support this excellent festival!
As an officer proudly serving in Draco's administration in the
Musarum, I know that he and Marce Armini have put a lot of
effort into making this festival a success.

The Musarum is a great place to showcase your creative talents
and provides a venue with broad exposure. For those that don't
yet know about us, our website is located at http://musarum.konoko.net
and our Yahoogroups list is "ForTheMuses@--------"

We look forward to your submissions!

Bene valete,
Oppius Flaccus Severus, Retarius Sodalitas Musarum
-----Original Message-----
From: S. Apollonius Draco [mailto:hendrik.meuleman@--------]
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:04 PM
To: Sodalitas Musarum; Nova Roma
Subject: [novaroma] PARTICIPATE!

Salvete Quirites,

I hereby encourage the citizens of Rome not to forget to participate in the
festival of the Cerealia and the Romae Conditio festival with their creative
artwork. Don't hesitate to participate! (to view the rules check the archives
for the email sent by Marcus Arminius Maior or ask me privately). NR needs your
input.

Valete!
Sextus Apollonius Draco, civis Novae Romae
Legatus Galliae Borealis,
Procurator Galliae,
Scriba Aedilis Plebis,
Lupercus Fabianus
Coryphaeus Sodalitatis Musarum,
Musaeus Collegii Eratus,
Musaeus Collegii Uraniae
Triumvir Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Vainqueur, ICQ# 32924725
Darkling_Crawler, Yahoo IM

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Subject:	[novaroma] Anserw my anserw
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:21:32 -0500

I am curious as to what the Consul has to say about my reply to his question!

QS

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Election of tribune
From:	Kristoffer From <kristoffer.from@-------->
Date:	Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:30:50 +0200

Salve quirites,

Regarding the ongoing elections for tribune of the plebs, could not the
discussion be kept on a reasonable level, perhaps one controlled by
legislation? "Spam"-mail to several lists, including NovaRomaAnnounce,
is not the way for a political candidate to proclaim himself.

This is a suggestion of legislating the process in which a candidate for
a position proclaims him-/herself. I would greatly appreciate getting
ONE mail from each candidate, stating his/her experience in relevant
fields, along with what he/she plans to do during his/her period in
office.

Admittedly, this was far from well formulated, which I mostly blame on
lack of caffeine/sleep deprivation. However, reading my mails in my
current condition caused my already severe headache to initiate a family
reunion inside my skull. The atmosphere on the list reminded me of
elections for class president in junior high...the candidate and his/her
supporters telling everyone they're the best choice, without objectively
stating why.

Please, folks. Remember that most of you are older than me, and behave
accordingly.

Vale,

Titus Octavius Pius,
cives Thuleus

AKA Kristoffer From

---

Si hoc signum legere potes,
operis boni in rebus latinis alacribus
et fructuosis potiri potes.

- Not-so-famous quotation


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Salutationes
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Rodrigo=20Alvarez=20Garcia-Sanchidrian?= <benllera@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:38:19 +0200 (CEST)

Salve, Quinte Sertorie.

--- Quintus Sertorius <quintus-sertorius@-------->
escribi�: > Send an email to the Censors and ask them
of the
> progress of your
> application. If you do not get a reply after couple
> of days email me again
> and I will contact them myself to find out what is
> up. OK?
>
> QS

Thanks again, Sertorius. I hope you do well in the
next comitia. You are really campaigning for it! I
also hope you keep this helpful attitude AFTER the
election :-).

And yes, if I were you, I'd try another translating
program. The one you're using just comes up with
incomprehensible gibberish ;-).

Valete Bene.
Gnaeus Salix Astur, protocivis romanus.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Citizens, Please Vote!
From:	"A. Cato" <a.cato@-------->
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:42:30 -0400

Salvete Omnes: As part of my duty as Rogator, I would like to remind all Nova Romans that voting in elections is not only their right, but also their duty as citizens. Although the Comitia Plebis Tributa has been convened and elections and voting have started, the election and voting is still continuing in the Comitia Populi Tributi until 1:00 A.M. Thursday, April 5th (7 P.M. Wednesday, Eastern time.) I urge all citizens who have not yet done so, to exercise their right to participate in the life of Nova Roma, and go to the Cista to vote. May the Gods and Goddesses of Nova Roma help us all to choose wisely.
Ave atque vale, .... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
civis Novae Romae
Rogator

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Election of tribune
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:00:28 -0700

on 4/3/01 2:30 PM, Kristoffer From at kristoffer.from@-------- wrote:

>
> Salve quirites,
>
> Regarding the ongoing elections for tribune of the plebs, could not the
> discussion be kept on a reasonable level, perhaps one controlled by
> legislation? "Spam"-mail to several lists, including NovaRomaAnnounce,
> is not the way for a political candidate to proclaim himself.
>
> This is a suggestion of legislating the process in which a candidate for
> a position proclaims him-/herself. I would greatly appreciate getting
> ONE mail from each candidate, stating his/her experience in relevant
> fields, along with what he/she plans to do during his/her period in
> office.
>
> Admittedly, this was far from well formulated, which I mostly blame on
> lack of caffeine/sleep deprivation. However, reading my mails in my
> current condition caused my already severe headache to initiate a family
> reunion inside my skull. The atmosphere on the list reminded me of
> elections for class president in junior high...the candidate and his/her
> supporters telling everyone they're the best choice, without objectively
> stating why.
>
> Please, folks. Remember that most of you are older than me, and behave
> accordingly.
>
> Vale,
>
> Titus Octavius Pius,
> cives Thuleus
>
> AKA Kristoffer From
>
> ---

Ave,

What suggestions do you have? Given the fact that we have over 30 email
lists and some citizens on some lists but not on others? Unfortunately,
this is going to be an issue that affects all of us who are on multiple
lists.

Also, you must understand that during elections emotions tend to run high.
Its just going to happen....if you ever run for office you will know exactly
what I mean. :)

So, as a friend of mine once said, sit back relax and enjoy the show! :)
Every time we have an election and especially during the elections in
December, this list and others I am sure will become very theatrical! :)

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Citizens, Please Vote!
From:	"David Sanchez" <davius_sanctex@-------->
Date:	Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:22:53 +0200

Many citizens don't know how to make effective his/her vote!!!

> Salvete Omnes: As part of my duty as Rogator, I would like to remind all
Nova Romans that voting in elections is not only their right, but also their
duty as citizens. Although the Comitia Plebis Tributa has been convened and
elections and voting have started, the election and voting is still
continuing in the Comitia Populi Tributi until 1:00 A.M. Thursday, April 5th
(7 P.M. Wednesday, Eastern time.) I urge all citizens who have not yet done
so, to exercise their right to participate in the life of Nova Roma, and go
to the Cista to vote. May the Gods and Goddesses of Nova Roma help us all to
choose wisely.
> Ave atque vale, .... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
> civis Novae Romae
> Rogator
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Invalid Voter Codes
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Tue, 03 Apr 2001 01:48:02 -0000

Salve Novus Civie:

In order to vote, you must obtain a voter code. You may do this by
contacting <Censores@-------->. Please give your full citizen name and
state that you require a voter code. Please store it, as you will need it
for subsequent elections. It will save the Censores some additional work in
the future.

Vale,
Pompeia Cornelia

>From: "Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: <novaroma@-------->
>Subject: RE: [novaroma] Invalid Voter Codes
>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:10:38 +1000
>
>Salvete
>
>How can I vote - do I have to be a citezan for a certain time as I have
>only just been accepted (about a month ago) - do I vote ???
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: A. Cato [mailto:a.cato@--------]
>Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2001 11:36 Am
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Invalid Voter Codes
>
>
>Salvete Omnes: This is a list of invalid voter codes. Those citizens
>whose tracking numbers are listed here are advised to try to vote again.
>If there are any further problems, please contact the Censores or
>Rogatores.
> Vale, ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, ... Rogator
>
> Tracking Number
>
> # 4015
> 4018
> 4021
> 4024
> 4027
> 4063
>
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] candidate for tribunus plebis
From:	octavianuslucius@--------
Date:	Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:55:36 -0000

Salvete omnes quirites plebeii.

After seeing an overwhelming number of posts posted by my opponent, I
would like to remind you that we are two candidates.
Let's the best win.

Valete bene et habete fortunam bonam

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Candidate for tribunus plebis


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] candidate for tribunus plebis
From:	"Mark A Bird" <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Wed, 4 Apr 2001 09:58:16 +1000

I will vote for you Lucius Pompeius Octavianus, due to the conflict of
interest that has been raised previously. I am sure both of you would
do a good job though.

Marcus Sentius Claudius

-----Original Message-----
From: octavianuslucius@-------- [mailto:octavianuslucius@--------]
Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2001 9:56 Am
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] candidate for tribunus plebis

Salvete omnes quirites plebeii.

After seeing an overwhelming number of posts posted by my opponent, I
would like to remind you that we are two candidates.
Let's the best win.

Valete bene et habete fortunam bonam

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Candidate for tribunus plebis

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