| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Media Group |
| From: |
"mike rasschaert" <hadescallias@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:21:57 -0000 |
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sure, its at geocities: http://www.geocities.com/morosbe2001/
i'm renovating. i'm changing the language from dutch to english. you will
see the difference but in time it will be fixed and leaves something on my
guestbook to let me know what you think of it.
>From: Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix <consulromanus@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] Media Group
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:03:37 +0100 (BST)
>
>Salve
>
>--- mike rasschaert <hadescallias@--------> wrote:
> > the summary is to
> > complicated to explain in
> > an couple of sentences. you have to know dutch to
> > read since i posted it at
> > my website, wich is about Gods, demons and other
> > occult stuff.
>
>
>Kan je de url van je website even doorgeven aub?
>(could you please pass the url of your website)
>
>Thanx in advance
>Vale
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Taxes and non-US countries |
| From: |
"Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:28:47 -0000 |
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--- In novaroma@--------, "S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@p...>
wrote:
> I suppose you got me more convinced now, together with your
>argumentation against Gnaeus Salix' objections. I still wonder
>though, if an exception can be made for those who don't own a credit
>card or a debit card (people in some southern or eastern European
countries, for example, or people from Asia).
Cassius:
I myself will be very interested to hear the facts about people who
are somehow able to get a computer and Internet access in remote
areas where such things are difficult and expensive to obtain, yet
have no access to modern banking, or money to bank with.
No doubt there will be a few. Yet I imagine they'll number only a
dozen or less out of many hundreds, making it an easy problem to
evaluate and work with on a case by case basis. It certainly makes
sense to individually deal with the few people who may have problems,
than to leave the other 99% of Citizens perpetually "on hold" out of
sympathy for them.
>
> As I said in response to your colleague, I can do nothing but agree
with this. The sponsoring fund is a very good idea. I suppose what
first terrified me a bit was that the expenses our magistrates make
(id est phone calls and all) merely benefit US citizens rather than
the rest of us. But here you make some valid points. Thanks for
clarifying.
Cassius:
The Senate of Nova Roma is not a body given to liberal spending. To
my knowledge NO phone expences by any magistrate have ever been
reimbursed, for instance. Magistrates are expected to be frugal.
Those that decide not to be are invited to pay for their own
expenses. I believe that the finances of Nova Roma are in open
record, and if anyone would like to "examine the books" it's possible
to do so. My guess is that anyone who cares to will be quite
surprised. We're a bunch of cheap tightwads, pinching every penny
till it cries for mercy. Nearly everything that gets done is done by
private donation rather than from the treasury...
> That is true. My initial proposal wasn't about provincial
treasuries, by the way, but continental ones (just for
clarification). On a sidenote: some Quaestores come from Europe; how
will they be able to oversee the treasury?
Cassius respondit:
Not all Quaestors are treasury quaestors of course. I don't believe
it would be possible for ALL our treasury Quaestors to come from
Europe... they'd have a heck of a time dealing with overseas banking.
If at least one Quaestor is from the US, it's perfectly possible to
share banking and accounting records, and come up with independant
proof that everything tallies.
> Draco:
> I suppose I could live with people who °don't want to° pay being
put in the 5th century. But exceptions should me made for those who
simply °can't° pay, I think.
Cassius:
Again, the number of people who are able to afford a computer and
Internet access, but who can't come up with $12 per year will be
amazingly few. Such situations can always be investigated
individually, and decisions made depending on circumstance.
But again, a 5th century option is actually a pretty enlightened
solution even for a "lack of funds" problem. At least it means that
Nova Roma is willing to make room for and communicate with folks even
if they can't pay. Most groups offer NO option at all - "pay and be a
member, or don't pay and don't be a member" is the rule. Nova Roma
would still retain "free Citizenship" and be an exception to that
rule.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Consul
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Taxes and non-US countries |
| From: |
lsicinius@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:43:10 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, "Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@a...> wrote:
> --- In novaroma@--------, "S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@p...>
> wrote:
> > I suppose you got me more convinced now, together with your
> >argumentation against Gnaeus Salix' objections. I still wonder
> >though, if an exception can be made for those who don't own a credit
> >card or a debit card (people in some southern or eastern European
> countries, for example, or people from Asia).
>
> Cassius:
> I myself will be very interested to hear the facts about people who
> are somehow able to get a computer and Internet access in remote
> areas where such things are difficult and expensive to obtain, yet
> have no access to modern banking, or money to bank with.
>
> No doubt there will be a few. Yet I imagine they'll number only a
> dozen or less out of many hundreds, making it an easy problem to
> evaluate and work with on a case by case basis. It certainly makes
> sense to individually deal with the few people who may have problems,
> than to leave the other 99% of Citizens perpetually "on hold" out of
> sympathy for them.
>
Drusus:
I have noticed that several of our citizens have made comments that
they are students. Most Universities provide "free" internet access
now. Many Public libraries also provide internet access, and it is
common for people to use the internet at work. Throw in a free web
based E-mail service and you have everything you need to be an active
member of Nova Roma without ever owning a computer or paying a dime
for internet service.
My main concern is the students. They can use the school's system to
join Nova Roma, but they often don't qualify for a credit card or even
a checking account to obtain a debit card. Many organizations have
reduced or free membership for full time students, and I would like to
see Nova Roma do this. If the Senate isn't willing to allow this
dispensation for full time students, then we should at least make it
easy for them to pay by electronic cash transfers.
Nova Roma is an organization that has a lot of appeal to students of
Classical studies, so I wouldn't be surprised to find that
considerably more than 1% of our citizens fall into this catagory.
Don't ignore them. They are our future.
There is also a problem that many e-commerce companies face. The
Internet is fairly new and many people are afraid of using credit
cards or debit cards on it. I find it amusing that there are people
who think nothing of handing a credit card to a waitress that they
know nothing about, and letting her walk off with thier card to pay
the bill, yet they fear to type the number of that same card into a
secure encrypted internet connection. However I don't let my amusement
get in the way of realizing that these people exist. Again this is a
group that would benifit from being able to make electronic cash
transfers.
Another thing to consider is the laws regulating banks vary
considerably in different Macronations. There are areas that many
people distrust banks (and have good reasons to do so) and I think it
would be a good idea to take this into account when setting up payment
plans.
Valete,
L. Sicinius Drusus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Getting Active |
| From: |
"Marcia Columbia Rex" <oldsabre@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Apr 2001 02:02:21 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, CW2ShaneEvans@a... wrote:
> How does one become more active in the Nova Roma Government? :o)
I've got
> some spare time laying around somewhere that I would like to kill.
Ave!
Some thoughts from another former CW reenactor and based on my small
experience thus far as a cive of Rome:
I would strongly reccomend that your get active in your provincia
first. See and ask where they would like you to assist. Perhaps there
is a niche that you would most appreciate and that your superiors
would love to see filled. It is not unlike starting from the ground
up in a military unit. With time and experience you could more
easilly be groomed for more 'national' positions.
>From my own experience out here in the SW, I can say that the regio
out here needs the support of all cives. I am presently coordinating
doing some conventions with my legate that would be open to any cive
wishing to attend along with us. When you can place names with faces
and actions you will find it much easier later to do your job on a
bigger scale.
You might want to consider inviting any other cives close to you for
a Roman movie night or other such gathering so you can get together
with those of like mind to yourself. I things hit off well, start
planning for other events. Talk to your Propraetor/trix and see if
they have things planned. You might need only to attend. If they do
not reside in your state, get in contact with your legate or local
representative.
I must emphasize the need for proper clothing if you would wish to go
more "public" as a cive. It is one thing to be an entity on the Web
but quite a bit more to incorporate being Roman when dealing with the
outside world. It takes an equal level of commitment to do that like
it was to be a Civil War reenactor for me. It really solidifies who
and what you are trying to represent.
Please know that I am gratified to hear you asking such good
questions and am likewise glad that you have vision to being more as
a cive of Rome. If there is any great point in my small amount advice
it would be to take things a step at a time. Rome wasn't built
overnight, nor are good cives produced in so short a time either.
Vale,
Marcia Columbia Rex
America Austrooccidentalis
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Taxes and non-US countries |
| From: |
Kristoffer From <kristoffer.from@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Apr 2001 04:43:59 +0200 |
|
Marcus Cassius Julianus wrote:
> My guess is that there will be *very few* Citizens who cannot
> electronically transfer money in some manner from a local bank. I
> honestly don't know what options are available to you in Sweden - you
> yourself are in a better position to find that out than I am! ;)
>
> When all is said and done, I'd be shocked if we have as many as ten
> citizens who have *no* option to tranfer funds by some electronic
> means. I mentioned the Praetors only as a last resort... if this had
> to be done it would be more the case of one Citizen helping out
> another than a Praetor managing any kind of local "treasury".
>
> It is my belief that there are American Express checks available in
> all European countries. I certainly had no trouble obtaining/cashing
> them in Britain when I was there last. Perhaps you've just never
> noticed them before because you've never had occasion to need them?
> Again, an inquiry at a local bank would provide you with info that I
> quite frankly cannot supply from halfway across the world.
>
> If you noticed my prior post, I also do not own any credit cards
> whatever. However, I do have a "debit card" from my bank that is
> hooked into the Visa system. I can transfer funds like a credit card,
> but the money comes out of my bank account, and I can't overspend. Do
> they have such a thing in Sweden?
Salve, Marce Cassi Juliane.
I thought I made myself clear on that point; I won't have a problem
with paying taxes, and neither will most swedes. It's easy to get a
"debit card" (I'm slightly uncomfortable with the term), even one with
Visa coverage, if you're 16 or above. On the AmEx issue, you understood
me correctly, however. There isn't much support for any kind of AmEx
outside the major cities, and those are about 300 miles away. It would
probably be possible to acquire something like that, but it would be
quite difficult. Therefore, I'll acquire a Visa debit card, and use it.
No matter that I don't appreciate giving up my card numbers across even
encrypted connections. Internet security is an oxymoron; any code can be
broken.
However, as I stated, I did not comment on this issue on my own behalf.
As you stated, perhaps less than ten of our citizens will find it
difficult or impossible to pay their taxes. What about these fewer than
ten individuals? Even if it is only one, can we afford to let him/her
go, just because of technical difficulties?
I just wanted to clarify my point, and try to get back to the current
debate, the law proposed by consul Vedius. As I said in my last posting,
once I get some time to read through the thread, and properly compose a
statement of my views on that issue.
Vale,
Titus Octavius Pius,
Consiliarius Thules,
Praeco Anarei Thules,
Scriba to the Curator Araneum
AKA Kristoffer From
---
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operis boni in rebus latinis alacribus
et fructuosis potiri potes.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Distrust of Other Nations |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:33:24 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Citizens of Nova Roma;
I guess I just don't understand this distrust of other nations. My
travels in most of the countries of Europe, Asia and North and South
America have always earned me friends wherever I go. How do I know they
are friends? Because they like me and I like them, and that is something
no-one can hide and I don't bother to try.
The Braziian gentleman who built his own schooner and who could not get
recognition from the Airlines, I helped him get the recognition he
needed and he showed me some very good ship-handling techniques. My
many Spanish and Portuguese friends in Madeira, and the Azores have
always bent over backward to help me and I them. Those friends in
Lisbon who showed me seven of the best days of my life, they are my
riends. They trust my words, I like to think because I trust thiers.
My friends in Mexico and Panama, were pleased to see me come and I to be
there, even though we had only corresponded by mail before (snail mail
in the days long ago and far away!!!!!). My Spanish friend who when
confronted by an obnoxious Ugly-American, I stepped between them and
told the stupid !@###@$%^$&$!????? where to go, how to get there, and
which foot to start on. Never mind that the man I defended was Spanish
and the idiot my countryman, I was right. the other American knew it and
so did the Spaniard. No, I am not wonderful, I have a terrible temper,
bad attitude, and very singular outlook on life. I do not hide it, nor
do I much care who knows it. I like my friends, I listen to my
detractors, consider their words carefully, use what I can, and go on.
I tell people what I think, but I don't distrust / dislike anyone
because of his color, creed, national heritage, or language and I have
very very little patience for anyone who does. To me that is stupid,
unwarranted, and indicates, to me, a basically ignorant person.
My visits to Rome, Naples and Pompeii were some of the highlights of my
life as were the wonders of Hong Kong and the cities of Japan and the
Phillapines, yet none of those people who are my friends now knew me
before my coming, nor I them.
Here we have togeher, created an increasingly large and enjoyable
organization spreading rapidly around the world, why must we now who
know each other by name, be suspicious of each other simply because I am
an American and someone else is Chinese, Bulgarian, Spanish, or Danish.
Such is the stuff of children's character, and has no place here in Nova
Roma, since children here are under the care of thier parents /
guardians. I too, grow tired of American-bashing, and I wish it to
stop. Bash me for my looks, my attitude, my temper, and my intelligence
or lack thereof, but leave America out of it. I am responsible for me,
and my country should not be subject to such abuse, nor should any other
person's country. My country gave me my opportunities what I made of
them is entirely my doing.
I do not come before you to threaten your life or your culture, why
should you think so of others. It is a happenstance that such an idea
as Nova Roma began in America, but I am very pleased to have friends in
Pannonia , France, and Germany, as a result, just as long as they are
just as pleased to have me there. If they suspect my motives, I have no
more time for them, since they suspect me while I welcome them.
I do not suspect Sweden of waiting to rob me, nor do I believe Holland
is looking for an opportunity to put a hand in my pocket. I am sure
that my friends in Turkey will return anything left in thier house, and
my Greek friends have never sought a penny more that was fair for me to
pay, nor would I have ever paid less. I do not suspect my Egyptian
business friends of cheating me and they trust me to pay my just debts.
I could not wish for better hospitality han I have recieved in Ireland,
Scotland and England , unless it might be among the Welsh, from whom my
anchestors came.
I coud go on in this vein for some time but those of you who have the
wit and adult understanding will understand my meaning. Let us trust
each other a little more, let us question each other's motives a little
less, and let us be kind to each other, and provide what the other
person needs a little more. How about a few more workers and a few less
ideas for others to carry out, how about a little more trust, and a
little less distrust, how about treating your friends the way you wish
they would treat you.
It is true that some of our nations are separated by language,
economics, politics, and other cultural differences, but in my travels
the world over a frown is a frown, and a smile is a smile, and your word
is trusted until you do something really stupid. Lastly, a friend can
be any
nationality, just as an insult can travel to any heart. If you don't
like me because I am an American, you have missed an opportunity because
I don't care if you are Puerto Rican, South African, or from Madagascar
you have something I am interested in and I probably have something for
you. My Canadan friends look to the Queen as we look to our President,
but I am not bashful about having a tot to the Queen, God Bless Her,
just as I have been known to drink to the Pres, because he is my
Commandrer - In - Chief!!!!
I am an American because I was born here. I like America, but there are
250 other countries that I like just as well for the wonderul people
that I have met there and the friendshps that I have carried away with
me. Try it------You'll like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Getting Active |
| From: |
Patrick Ferguson <pvitruviusiulianus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:12:43 -0700 (PDT) |
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> From my own experience out here in the SW, I can say
> that the regio
> out here needs the support of all cives.
No argument here! There seem to be fewer Romans out
here than anywhere else! And I am not just talking
about Nova Roma. The Colorado Junior Classical
Leaugue is terrible, and I'd bet that it is the same
in some of Colorado's neighboring states, seeing as
how not all schools that attend the convention are
actually from Colorado. Also I know of know Roman
reenactment groups in Colorado or anywhere else in the
Southwest. I agree and believe that not just
awareness but allso an appreciation and love for Rome
is lacking in our Province and something needs to be
done about it. The question is what can be done about
it, this is one which I do not know the answer to. If
anyone has any suggestions, please give them to me.
Optime Valete :->!
Patricius Vitruvius Iulianus,
Civis Novae Romae.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Distrust of Other Nations |
| From: |
"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Apr 2001 10:24:30 +0200 |
|
Salvete omnes;
Just for clarification: I don't distrust other nations. I simply distrust
people in general; and that's my temper, too, so blame it on that please. No
hard feelings :).
----- Original Message -----
From: <jmath669642reng@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 5:33 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Distrust of Other Nations
> Citizens of Nova Roma;
>
> I guess I just don't understand this distrust of other nations. My
> travels in most of the countries of Europe, Asia and North and South
> America have always earned me friends wherever I go. How do I know they
> are friends? Because they like me and I like them, and that is something
> no-one can hide and I don't bother to try.
>
(snipped)
Valete!
Sextus Apollonius Draco,
Vainqueur, ICQ# 32924725
Darkling_Crawler, Yahoo IM
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Distrust of Other Nations |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:39:39 +0200 |
|
.................
>I am an American because I was born here. I like America, but there are
>250 other countries that I like just as well for the wonderul people
>that I have met there and the friendshps that I have carried away with
>me. Try it------You'll like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Respectfully;
>Marcus Audens
Salve Amice!
I love your stand-points and the way You put them forward! We don't agree
on every point, I don't have the intense feeling for my country that You
have for yours. But I throughly love your openness and your tolerance,
combined with your frankness!
We Nova Romans would do good in getting some more of that and so would the
rest of the world. I think your way is the right one, treat others as You
want to be treated and be honest! I am glad that You are here! I look
forward to meet You, if possible, when You travel to our beautiful Nordic
countries that we Nova Romans call Provincia Thule!
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
Accensus to Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Taxes and non-US countries |
| From: |
"Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:58:12 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, Kristoffer From <kristoffer.from@t...> wrote:
> However, as I stated, I did not comment on this issue on my own
behalf. As you stated, perhaps less than ten of our citizens will
find it difficult or impossible to pay their taxes. What about these
fewer than ten individuals? Even if it is only one, can we afford to
let him/her go, just because of technical difficulties?
>
Cassius respondit:
No where, in any discussion, has anyone suggested that we should "let
people go" if they can't afford taxes or have technical diffulty in
paying them. As I have mentioned in each of my last four posts, such
situations can be easily solved by making special dispensations on a
case by case basis. The issue just isn't that complex. A simple yet
fair policy can be written in just a few sentences:
"Taxes for Citizenship are $12 yearly. Student and Senior Citizen
rate: $8.00 yearly. If anyone is unable to pay such a tax they are
asked to write to the Senate at: senate@--------, we will be
happy to work with folks in special circumstances."
There IS an issue about taxation that has not come up as yet. All
talk has been about hypothetical destitute people who cannot pay...
yet Nova Roma has already lost at least a dozen people over taxes.
Who has left us? Folks who think we are unprofessional and unlikely
to succeed because we refuse to fund our own organization in a
businesslike manner. Nobody seems to bat an eye when someone who
could both pay taxes and assist us financially leaves - yet there is
an amazing amount of concern for those who might not be unable to
pay.
Oddly enough, Citizenship in Nova Roma has been "free" for three
years, yet there is little proof that we have picked up more students
or other folks with difficult financial situations because of it. The
vast majority of our Citizens can and even wish to pay taxes to see
NR grow, and have not joined us simply because they weren't asked for
money.
I share all concernes about folks that might not be able to pay taxes
for one reason or another. Yet I also think discussion over it is
going on far longer than it would take to evaluate two dozen
individual cases of folks who couldn't pay, thus clearing the way for
the rest of us to help get Nova Roma on a rational financial footing.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Consul
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Offering of translation skills |
| From: |
Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Apr 2001 06:20:21 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salvete omnes!
This is my first post to the Egressus list. I have read with much
attention your proposals, and I have to say that I support all of them.
Besides that, I wish to offer my linguistics abilities to the
advancement of Nova Roma.
I speak English pretty well (as it seems evident), and I could easily
translate from English to Spanish (my mother language) and Italian
(which I speak very well indeed).
I can also understand French and Portuguese, although I don't write
them perfectly. I could translate from these two languages to English,
Spanish and Italian.
I think we should try to make an effort in producing Nova Roma
documents in other languages. I know for sure that the fact that most
of Novoroman information is in English can be sometimes a handicap, for
not all our cives speak English, and surely many prospective citizens
don't speak it either.
If you want any translation, please e-mail me personally.
=====
Bene Valete!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Civis romanus.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Getting Active |
| From: |
CmndrZil@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Apr 2001 02:37:39 EDT |
|
Salve,
Since you asked...
Start with public high schools. Schools all over the US are taking budget
cuts and have been for a while. If they do get extra money, they're supposed
to spend it on English and math. Latin is not key to teaching the average
kid to read or play football, and so it is being cut. At my school, one of
the problems we had for a while was that no one expressed interest in the
Latin program, mostly because they didn't know it was there. We started
going to junior highs, talking to kids in other foreign language classes, and
we're lucky enough not to have a teacher we have to dust off. Next year,
we're going to get a part time Latin teacher to help the full time teacher.
We have become the largest Latin program in Sacramento, California (even
beating the Jesuits). So, I babbled for a while, but I had a point...
Point... Oh! High schools need help either letting people know about Latin
and/or affording it. If you could pull some strings, blackmail high school
principals, whatever you've got to do.
Maybe you should think about having your next Roman related event at a local
college campus on a day when nothing else is happening. They have to go
somewhere, why not watch a historical re-enactment of something? It would
probably help a lot if the campus had a classics department.
Lastly, I would suggest wearing togas on all possible occasions. It really
gets people's attention. Personally, I do it whenever I have a Latin test.
It helps me focus, and I think about it all day. It gets kind of cold
though, and then the safety pins stab you, but you get used to it after
awhile.
I'm sorry if I've bothered anyone,
(soon to be) Tarquinia Euphemia
In a message dated 4/27/01 11:13:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
pvitruviusiulianus@-------- writes:
<< No argument here! There seem to be fewer Romans out
here than anywhere else! And I am not just talking
about Nova Roma. The Colorado Junior Classical
Leaugue is terrible, and I'd bet that it is the same
in some of Colorado's neighboring states, seeing as
how not all schools that attend the convention are
actually from Colorado. Also I know of know Roman
reenactment groups in Colorado or anywhere else in the
Southwest. I agree and believe that not just
awareness but allso an appreciation and love for Rome
is lacking in our Province and something needs to be
done about it. The question is what can be done about
it, this is one which I do not know the answer to. If
anyone has any suggestions, please give them to me. >>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Getting Active |
| From: |
SkaldElf@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:32:16 EDT |
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Salve,
You didn't bother at all. Those were excellent suggestions.
Vale,
Aeternia
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Getting Active |
| From: |
Patrick Ferguson <pvitruviusiulianus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:33:23 -0700 (PDT) |
|
--- CmndrZil@-------- wrote:
> Salve,
>
> Since you asked...
>
> Start with public high schools. Schools all over
> the US are taking budget
> cuts and have been for a while. If they do get
> extra money, they're supposed
> to spend it on English and math. Latin is not key
> to teaching the average
> kid to read or play football, and so it is being
> cut. At my school, one of
> the problems we had for a while was that no one
> expressed interest in the
> Latin program, mostly because they didn't know it
> was there. We started
> going to junior highs, talking to kids in other
> foreign language classes, and
> we're lucky enough not to have a teacher we have to
> dust off. Next year,
> we're going to get a part time Latin teacher to help
> the full time teacher.
> We have become the largest Latin program in
> Sacramento, California (even
> beating the Jesuits). So, I babbled for a while,
> but I had a point...
> Point... Oh! High schools need help either letting
> people know about Latin
> and/or affording it. If you could pull some
> strings, blackmail high school
> principals, whatever you've got to do.
The problem here isn't that no one is aware of the
Latin program, it is just that those who are aren't
exactly enthusiastic about Rome. At the Colorado
Junior Classical League Convention the only events we
had that were either Roman or Greek related were
non-recreational. The arts and crafts, tests, and
performances were good but were either not well
attended or not all that fun. The recreational
activities we had were few in number and not very
Classical at all. The athelitic contests were fun but
not very well Classically based. We had an ice-cream
social, no need to explain here. And the Mr. and Mrs.
JCL competition had nothing Classical in it at all.
> Maybe you should think about having your next Roman
> related event at a local
> college campus on a day when nothing else is
> happening. They have to go
> somewhere, why not watch a historical re-enactment
> of something? It would
> probably help a lot if the campus had a classics
> department.
For anything like this to happen it would take a lot
of support. I am one of very few Romans out here, so
there is little support. And as far as I can tell,
there is no re-enactment group anywhere near me at
all.
> Lastly, I would suggest wearing togas on all
> possible occasions. It really
> gets people's attention. Personally, I do it
> whenever I have a Latin test.
> It helps me focus, and I think about it all day. It
> gets kind of cold
> though, and then the safety pins stab you, but you
> get used to it after
> awhile.
I do wear Roman clothing on all possible occasions,
but there is only one (the JCL Convention). I would
like to set up something more, but I would (and have
not) be(en) able to gain enough support.
> I'm sorry if I've bothered anyone,
> (soon to be) Tarquinia Euphemia
The first thing I need to do is gain support for
something Roman, but I have no idea as to how to do
that. Thanks anyway for your suggestions though.
Valete optime :->!
Patricius Vitruvius Iulianus,
Civis Novae Romae.
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