| Subject: |
[novaroma] Renuntatio Propraetoricium IV about the Conclusion of the First Plenum of the Consilium Provincale Thules |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:36:46 +0200 |
|
Ex Officio Propraetoris Thulae
Renuntatio Propraetoricium IV about the Conclusion of the First Plenum of
the Consilium Provincale Thules
30 April 2001
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, Propraetor Thules
Salve All!
The First Plenum of the Consilium Provincale Thules has come to an end. The
discussions, advices and suggestions by the Consilium resulted in the
following Edicta and Renuntationes:
1. Edictum Propraetoricium IX about the Approved Plenum Order of the
Consilium Provincale Thules
2. Edictum Propraetoricium X about the Approved Order of the Cohors
Propraetoris
3. Edictum Propraetoricium XI about the Approved Thule Provincia conference
4. Edictum Propraetoricium XII about the Approved Nova Roma Academia Thules
5. Edictum Propraetoricium XIII about the Approved Proposal for Edictum
concerning "The structure of the Provincial and the Regional websites in
Provincia Thule".
6. Edictum Propraetoricium XIV about the Approved Guidelines regarding the
organization of "Roman Days" in Provincia Thule
7. Edictum Propraetoricium XV about the Appointment of a Procurator Nova
Roma Academia Thules
8. Renuntatio Propraetoricium III about the Budget of Thule Provincia 2754
9. Renuntatio Propraetoricium IV about the Conclusion of the First Plenum
of the Consilium Provincale Thules
The Conference next year will, I hope give many of us a chance to meet face
to face to associate, to learn to know each other and to develop the
Provincia. The Academia will give all Nova Romans, and especially us in
Thule a chance to develop our knowledge about Ancient Rome and Nova Roma
and learn how to have an influence in the affairs of our beloved Res
Publica. I hope to see Regio (websites for Finland (already there), Sweden
(already there), Norway and Denmark) websites grow and prosper, attracting
new citizens and that way expanding Nova Roma and Thule! I hope to see
"Roman Days" being organised throughout the whole Provincia, thus
attracting sympathizers and the curious.
It is already decided to have a Second Plenum of the Consilium Provincale
Thules to handle the question of founding a re-enactment Roman Legio. This
will happen during this summer. A preparing discussion of the Consilium
decision will be on this list, this discussion will be opened within some
weeks. At the Third Plenum of the Consilium Provincale Thule, during the
autumn, we will decide about our participation in the provincial
cooperation called "the Limes Project" and how to better our Recruitment
policy. One or two other issues will also be dealt with, for instance some
possibly centrally awakened "Tax" proposal.
If any citizen would like the Consilium to deal with some issue it is
always possible to make an suggestion privately to the Propraetor. Then it
will be a quaestion of time and knowledge. All citizens are of course
encouraged to contact the Propraetor to get help with private issues and to
discuss important issues! The Propraetor will deal with these issues
personally or through his Cohors Propraetoris.
I say as I have said before:
"There will be a lot of work to be done, to make these dreams come true! As
Propraetor I deeply hope to see more citizens step forward into the light
to take part in this revival on the Nordic ground of a reborn Nova Roman
Provincia!"
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
Vale
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Propraetor of Thule
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Civii America Boreoccidentalis Minore *READ* |
| From: |
=?US-ASCII?Q?Linus_Rade?= <mournblade@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:43:24 +0200 |
|
Salve
I`m very sorry to say that I don`t fully understand why I am considered a
member of your Regio since I am very muck invloved in the Thule Regio where
I live and would be very glad if you could help me contact the Censors on
this matter.
Greatfull for your help
Gaius Minucius Lupus
-----Original Message-----
From: william wheeler [mailto:holyconelia@--------]
Sent: den 27 april 2001 21:36
To: AmBor_Waves@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Civii America Boreoccidentalis Minore *READ*
salvete Quiritibus;
This is a letter to inform you of some happenings in our province.
Some of you may already be aware of these changes -some may
not. As we are in the process of rebuilding the province, this letter
is being sent specifically to confirm the following:
1-That you are still a currently registered and active citizen.
2-That your name, address, e-mail and phone contact information
is still the same as it was when you were granted citizenship
3-Your goals and projected level of involvement in provincial
activities.
As far as provincial structure, I am your legatus: Marcus Cornelius Felix.
I
report directly to Lucius Mauricius Procopious and am working with him to
ensure
that we can fully understand everyone's interests, level of involvement and
commitment to their citizenship.
Note that this e-mail is a 'blind' list, in that I have no
wish to put anyone on the spot. In fact, it is my sincere hope that everyone
on
our citizenship roster will respond to this letter and notify me of your
status.
Please be aware that we are slowly gathering information from the Censores,
but
this is a time-consuming process and your assistance would be *greatly*
appreciated. Also, note
that for most of you on this list, we quite simply are unaware
if you still exist or have any interest in participation
here. That's largely the reason behind this e-mail. Once
we get everyone confirmed, then I will be sharing my full
macronational contact information with each respondent
so that we may get our task of province building well
under way.
So, with that in mind, please reply to me directly and
privately in e-mail with the following information:
1-Your full Roman Name
2-Your current e-mail address
3-Your current preferred contact telephone number
4-Your current mailing address
5-Degree (if any) of interest in provincial gatherings,
holding office, cultural interests, etc.
6-Whether or not you are subscribed to the provincial
mailing list: ambor_waves@--------
7-Do you know of any cives in the province that
require any non-electronic means of contact such
as phone or post? If so, please provide a means
of contacting these individuals.
Please forgive the intrusion on your time. Any and
all help in helping us update our provincial records
would be most appreciated. As always -any questions,
please do not hesitate to ask.
Marcus Cornelius Felix
Pontitff
Legate America Boreoccidentalis Minore
Sacerdos Primus America Boreoccidentalis
wuffa@--------
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Grisly secrets of the 'civilising' Romans |
| From: |
Piparskeggr Ullarsson <catamount_grange@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:23:31 -0500 |
|
Salvete,
Don't know how good the science actually is, but if corroborated,
this casts a bit of a shadow?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,480486,00.html
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Grisly secrets of the 'civilising' Romans |
| From: |
lsicinius@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:11:35 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, Piparskeggr Ullarsson <catamount_grange@i...>
wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> Don't know how good the science actually is, but if corroborated,
> this casts a bit of a shadow?
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,480486,00.html
>
> --
> ===========================================
I'll wait to have a look at the actual reports, though some of the
things in the story point to either bad science or bad science
reporting, both of which are all too common.
Vale
L. Sicinius Drusus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Taxes and non-US countries |
| From: |
Calpurnia <darta_arelia@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:42:04 -0700 (PDT) |
|
I really like this idea. It makes it so that everyone
wins out in the end. you get your truffles or I get my
spanish sangria and the person over seas gets their
taxes paid. keep me posted on how this goes. I can
think of lots friends who would help out with this
exchange program.
Claudia Aucelia Calpurnia
--- margali <margali@--------> wrote:
> Well, just a wild idea on getting funds over to the
> US.
>
> I regularly participate in a 'cookie exchange'
> program with a
> friend who emigrated to Perth this past summer. She
> likes Captain
> Morgan's spiced rum, which is not available over
> there, and I
> like tim-tams, which are not available over here. I
> send her a
> bottle, and she sends me lots of cookies. What if I,
> as a person
> who happens to like odd things from europe want
> something like a
> small tin of the truffle shavings I used to pick up
> in France.
> There is a French NRoman who wants to pay taxes. We
> figure out
> what the amount of shipping on a tin is, and the
> cost of the tin
> just so happen to make the right amount of money.
> The person in
> France ships me the tin of truffle shavings, and in
> exchange for
> this tin, I pay the same amount of the cost of the
> item and the
> shipping in the name of the NRoman as taxes. No
> money actually
> has to change hands, I get my truffle shavings and
> the tax is
> paid. Sort of like a barter system [or like a person
> paying taxes
> 'in kind' that I just happen to exchange for money.
> We could get
> each of the provincial tax collectors to gather
> their taxes and
> do something like this either for the whole of the
> taxes, or on
> an individual basis.
>
> -margali
> Hyapatia Asinia
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Civii America Boreoccidentalis Minore *READ* |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:45:15 +0200 |
|
>Salve
>
>I`m very sorry to say that I don`t fully understand why I am considered a
>member of your Regio since I am very muck invloved in the Thule Regio where
>I live and would be very glad if you could help me contact the Censors on
>this matter.
>
>Greatfull for your help
>Gaius Minucius Lupus
Salve Amice!
I have been looking for You on our Provincia Page (Thule) at the NR main
site. But nowhere I have found You! Now You just emerge out of AMERICA -
strange old friend! ;-)
Seriously, there is some major misunderstanding here! There already is one
cives called Gaius Minucius Lupus (of your gens), he lives in America
Austrorientalis Provincia.
So I think this is what You will have to do:
1. Think of a new name as "the other guy" (no insult intended) was first!
Keep your Gens though it is a good one! ;-) Maybe just change your prenomen!
2. Contact your Pater Familias and get the new version OKed! He is usually
very fast! ;-)
3. Contact the Censors and ask them humbly to be nice to You and speed your
matter, as this evedently is a misunderstanding!
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
Accensus to Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus
The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an offical opinion of Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Sangria (was Taxes and non-US countries) |
| From: |
Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salvete omnes; et salve, Calpurnia.
--- Calpurnia <darta_arelia@--------> wrote:
> I really like this idea. It makes it so that everyone
> wins out in the end. you get your truffles or I get my
> spanish sangria and the person over seas gets their
> taxes paid. keep me posted on how this goes. I can
> think of lots friends who would help out with this
> exchange program.
>
> Claudia Aucelia Calpurnia
If you want to get some sangria, there is no need to barter. You just
need some red wine (better Spanish), orange and lemon juice, oranges,
sugar and cinnamon. You mix it all together in a large pot, you add the
oranges in pieces, and there you have it: the modern Spanish version of
ancient Roman spiced wine :-).
Do not heat it, though ;-). It's actually better to put some ice on it.
=====
Bene Valete!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Civis romanus.
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Civii America Boreoccidentalis Minore *READ* |
| From: |
Ira Adams <iadams@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:07:16 -0500 |
|
Salve Caeso Fabius
Why should he change his name? In the tradition of Roma Antiqva there
were sometimes several gens members with the same name. There are only so
many real Roman names to go around. Maybe he could just add a distinctive
cognomen?
Vale,
L. Sergius Aust.
On 4/30/01 10:45 AM Caeso Fabius Quintilianus (tjalens.h@--------) wrote:
>>Salve
>>
>>I`m very sorry to say that I don`t fully understand why I am considered a
>>member of your Regio since I am very muck invloved in the Thule Regio where
>>I live and would be very glad if you could help me contact the Censors on
>>this matter.
>>
>>Greatfull for your help
>>Gaius Minucius Lupus
>
>Salve Amice!
>
>I have been looking for You on our Provincia Page (Thule) at the NR main
>site. But nowhere I have found You! Now You just emerge out of AMERICA -
>strange old friend! ;-)
>
>Seriously, there is some major misunderstanding here! There already is one
>cives called Gaius Minucius Lupus (of your gens), he lives in America
>Austrorientalis Provincia.
>
>So I think this is what You will have to do:
>
>1. Think of a new name as "the other guy" (no insult intended) was first!
>Keep your Gens though it is a good one! ;-) Maybe just change your prenomen!
>
>2. Contact your Pater Familias and get the new version OKed! He is usually
>very fast! ;-)
>
>3. Contact the Censors and ask them humbly to be nice to You and speed your
>matter, as this evedently is a misunderstanding!
>
>Vale
>
>Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
>Quaestor of Nova Roma
>Propraetor of Thule
>Accensus to Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus
>
>The Opinions expressed are my own,
>and not an offical opinion of Nova Roma
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Civii America Boreoccidentalis Minore *READ* |
| From: |
"Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:33:39 -0700 |
|
Salve,
I think you have most of my info. My mail address is:
Les Peterson
2400 20th Ave NW #5B
Olympia Wa. 98502
Let me know if you need any more info.
Lucius Mauricius Procopious
Propraetor America Boreoccidentalis
(This is an unofficial post for which I assume full responsibility)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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"Indeed, it is not by the plans of men, but by the hand of God that the
affairs of men are directed; and this men call Fate, not knowing the reason
for what things they see occur; and what seems to be without cause is easy
to call the accident of chance. Still, this is a matter every mortal will
decide for himself according to his taste."
-Procopius of Caesarea (in Palestine) [born c.490/507- died c.560s]
----- Original Message -----
From: "william wheeler" <holyconelia@-------->
To: <AmBor_Waves@-------->
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 12:35 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Civii America Boreoccidentalis Minore *READ*
> salvete Quiritibus;
>
> This is a letter to inform you of some happenings in our province.
> Some of you may already be aware of these changes -some may
> not. As we are in the process of rebuilding the province, this letter
> is being sent specifically to confirm the following:
>
> 1-That you are still a currently registered and active citizen.
>
> 2-That your name, address, e-mail and phone contact information
> is still the same as it was when you were granted citizenship
>
> 3-Your goals and projected level of involvement in provincial
> activities.
>
> As far as provincial structure, I am your legatus: Marcus Cornelius
Felix.
> I
> report directly to Lucius Mauricius Procopious and am working with him to
> ensure
> that we can fully understand everyone's interests, level of involvement
and
> commitment to their citizenship.
>
> Note that this e-mail is a 'blind' list, in that I have no
> wish to put anyone on the spot. In fact, it is my sincere hope that
everyone
> on
> our citizenship roster will respond to this letter and notify me of your
> status.
> Please be aware that we are slowly gathering information from the
Censores,
> but
> this is a time-consuming process and your assistance would be *greatly*
> appreciated. Also, note
> that for most of you on this list, we quite simply are unaware
> if you still exist or have any interest in participation
> here. That's largely the reason behind this e-mail. Once
> we get everyone confirmed, then I will be sharing my full
> macronational contact information with each respondent
> so that we may get our task of province building well
> under way.
>
> So, with that in mind, please reply to me directly and
> privately in e-mail with the following information:
>
> 1-Your full Roman Name
> 2-Your current e-mail address
> 3-Your current preferred contact telephone number
> 4-Your current mailing address
> 5-Degree (if any) of interest in provincial gatherings,
> holding office, cultural interests, etc.
> 6-Whether or not you are subscribed to the provincial
> mailing list: ambor_waves@--------
> 7-Do you know of any cives in the province that
> require any non-electronic means of contact such
> as phone or post? If so, please provide a means
> of contacting these individuals.
>
> Please forgive the intrusion on your time. Any and
> all help in helping us update our provincial records
> would be most appreciated. As always -any questions,
> please do not hesitate to ask.
>
> Marcus Cornelius Felix
> Pontitff
> Legate America Boreoccidentalis Minore
> Sacerdos Primus America Boreoccidentalis
>
> wuffa@--------
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Civii America Boreoccidentalis Minore *READ* |
| From: |
"Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:39:15 -0700 |
|
Salve,
I guess if anyone wants to snail mail me they can now. Sorry, that was
supposed to be in Province.
Lucius Mauricius Procopious
Propraetor America Boreoccidentalis
(This is an unofficial post for which I assume full responsibility)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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"Indeed, it is not by the plans of men, but by the hand of God that the
affairs of men are directed; and this men call Fate, not knowing the reason
for what things they see occur; and what seems to be without cause is easy
to call the accident of chance. Still, this is a matter every mortal will
decide for himself according to his taste."
-Procopius of Caesarea (in Palestine) [born c.490/507- died c.560s]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <procopious@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Civii America Boreoccidentalis Minore *READ*
> Salve,
> I think you have most of my info. My mail address is:
>
> Les Peterson
> 2400 20th Ave NW #5B
> Olympia Wa. 98502
>
> Let me know if you need any more info.
>
> Lucius Mauricius Procopious
> Propraetor America Boreoccidentalis
> (This is an unofficial post for which I assume full responsibility)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> procopious@--------
> ICQ# 83516618
> *America Boreoccidentalis Mail List
> http://www.egroups.com/group/AmBor_Waves
> * The Gens Mauricia
> http://www.geocities.com/procopious
>
> "Indeed, it is not by the plans of men, but by the hand of God that the
> affairs of men are directed; and this men call Fate, not knowing the
reason
> for what things they see occur; and what seems to be without cause is easy
> to call the accident of chance. Still, this is a matter every mortal will
> decide for himself according to his taste."
> -Procopius of Caesarea (in Palestine) [born c.490/507- died c.560s]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "william wheeler" <holyconelia@-------->
> To: <AmBor_Waves@-------->
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 12:35 PM
> Subject: [novaroma] Civii America Boreoccidentalis Minore *READ*
>
>
> > salvete Quiritibus;
> >
> > This is a letter to inform you of some happenings in our province.
> > Some of you may already be aware of these changes -some may
> > not. As we are in the process of rebuilding the province, this letter
> > is being sent specifically to confirm the following:
> >
> > 1-That you are still a currently registered and active citizen.
> >
> > 2-That your name, address, e-mail and phone contact information
> > is still the same as it was when you were granted citizenship
> >
> > 3-Your goals and projected level of involvement in provincial
> > activities.
> >
> > As far as provincial structure, I am your legatus: Marcus Cornelius
> Felix.
> > I
> > report directly to Lucius Mauricius Procopious and am working with him
to
> > ensure
> > that we can fully understand everyone's interests, level of involvement
> and
> > commitment to their citizenship.
> >
> > Note that this e-mail is a 'blind' list, in that I have no
> > wish to put anyone on the spot. In fact, it is my sincere hope that
> everyone
> > on
> > our citizenship roster will respond to this letter and notify me of your
> > status.
> > Please be aware that we are slowly gathering information from the
> Censores,
> > but
> > this is a time-consuming process and your assistance would be *greatly*
> > appreciated. Also, note
> > that for most of you on this list, we quite simply are unaware
> > if you still exist or have any interest in participation
> > here. That's largely the reason behind this e-mail. Once
> > we get everyone confirmed, then I will be sharing my full
> > macronational contact information with each respondent
> > so that we may get our task of province building well
> > under way.
> >
> > So, with that in mind, please reply to me directly and
> > privately in e-mail with the following information:
> >
> > 1-Your full Roman Name
> > 2-Your current e-mail address
> > 3-Your current preferred contact telephone number
> > 4-Your current mailing address
> > 5-Degree (if any) of interest in provincial gatherings,
> > holding office, cultural interests, etc.
> > 6-Whether or not you are subscribed to the provincial
> > mailing list: ambor_waves@--------
> > 7-Do you know of any cives in the province that
> > require any non-electronic means of contact such
> > as phone or post? If so, please provide a means
> > of contacting these individuals.
> >
> > Please forgive the intrusion on your time. Any and
> > all help in helping us update our provincial records
> > would be most appreciated. As always -any questions,
> > please do not hesitate to ask.
> >
> > Marcus Cornelius Felix
> > Pontitff
> > Legate America Boreoccidentalis Minore
> > Sacerdos Primus America Boreoccidentalis
> >
> > wuffa@--------
> >
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Getting Active |
| From: |
CmndrZil@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:09:08 EDT |
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Salve,
Patricius Vitruvius Iulianus said:
The problem here isn't that no one is aware of the
Latin program, it is just that those who are aren't
exactly enthusiastic about Rome. At the Colorado
Junior Classical League Convention the only events we
had that were either Roman or Greek related were
non-recreational. The arts and crafts, tests, and
performances were good but were either not well
attended or not all that fun. The recreational
activities we had were few in number and not very
Classical at all. The athelitic contests were fun but
not very well Classically based. We had an ice-cream
social, no need to explain here. And the Mr. and Mrs.
JCL competition had nothing Classical in it at all.
I didn't say what I wanted to say the way I wanted to say it, I'm sorry. If you want to gain an interest in Roman things, students are a good place to look. Students are inspired by teachers. Teachers who teach Latin might inspire them to be involved in Roman things. If the students who take Latin in your area aren't interested at all in Rome, then the Latin classes in your area lack something. How about going to a high school latin class and doing a presentation about Nova Roma?
> Maybe you should think about having your next Roman
> related event at a local
> college campus on a day when nothing else is
> happening. They have to go
> somewhere, why not watch a historical re-enactment
> of something? It would
> probably help a lot if the campus had a classics
> department.
For anything like this to happen it would take a lot
of support. I am one of very few Romans out here, so
there is little support. And as far as I can tell,
there is no re-enactment group anywhere near me at
all.
If you need support to do something that you don't have that you don't have the power to do, think smaller. Give a lecture, or have a bake sale. Something. You can't gain support until people are interested in what you're doing. You can't get people interested by sitting in front of your computer and talking about a lack of interest. Did you want people to move to Colorado to offer their support?
> Lastly, I would suggest wearing togas on all
> possible occasions. It really
> gets people's attention. Personally, I do it
> whenever I have a Latin test.
> It helps me focus, and I think about it all day. It
> gets kind of cold
> though, and then the safety pins stab you, but you
> get used to it after
> awhile.
I do wear Roman clothing on all possible occasions,
but there is only one (the JCL Convention). I would
like to set up something more, but I would (and have
not) be(en) able to gain enough support.
See... That was a joke. It was funny because I wear togas to school for no real reason, and I know that my bed sheet is historically inaccurate, but I probably messed it up in the delivery.
> I'm sorry if I've bothered anyone,
> (soon to be) Tarquinia Euphemia
The first thing I need to do is gain support for
something Roman, but I have no idea as to how to do
that. Thanks anyway for your suggestions though.
Anytime. Sorry I wasn't any help.
Tarquinia Euphemia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Just a note of thanks |
| From: |
"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:24:27 -0400 |
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Salvete,
I would just like to say how much I enjoy this (and all) the NR elists. No
matter how heated the discussions get, we seem able to remember our manners.
I also am delighted with the open-mindedness here, the way people are able
to read each other's opinions and understand them, whether agreeing with
them or not. I also commend our moderator for her excellent job in
remaining objective, fair & firm.
I have unfortunately belonged to several lists where just the opposite is
true, as have we all I'm sure. I just found myself on another one like
that, and it moved me to send this little thankyou :-)
Valete magna bene,
Helena Galeria
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Upcoming CPoT Vote |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:49:48 -0400 |
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Flavius Vedius Germanicus novaromanis S.P.D.
In order to fill the vacancy in the ranks of our quaestores, the Comitia
Populi Tributa will be called to vote in a week or so. I just wanted to
present the candidates and two or three other matters that might as well get
voted on as long as we're dragging out the cista back into service...
As of now, my intention is to begin the Contio (official debate) on May 7th,
with the actual voting taking place May 12th through the 20th. Remember,
this election will take place using the new voting rules recently enacted by
the comitia.
This is merely a preliminary agenda, posted to allow informal discussion of
the various matters herein. It is not an official call to vote. If anyone
has any suggested changes or additions, or if anyone else wishes to present
themselves as a candidate for quaestor, please let the consuls
(consuls@--------) know as soon as possible. Any notes I may add are in
[brackets].
-----
Item I. Election of quaestor
Thusfar two candidates have presented themselves for the single vacant
position:
* Oppius Flaccus Severus
* Titus Curius Dannicus
[Please note that Oppius Flaccus Severus will not have met the requirement
of six months' citizenship until May 28th, and would not be able to assume
office before then.]
-----
Item II. Lex Cornelia et Maria de Mutandis Nominibus
I. Introduction
A. This lex is set forth to define the procedures by which a citizen may
apply to add, alter, or substitute any portion of his or her Roman name, and
to state the guidelines by which such an application may be judged. This is
done in order to attain a measure of conformity with ancient Roman naming
conventions and tradition. Note that this lex, and its procedures and
guidelines, apply to changes sought by citizens after the publication of
this edictum, and do not apply to citizens' existing names, although the
information herein will certainly be of use to new citizens choosing a Roman
name.
B. This edict has no impact on chatroom handles, signatures to private or
casual e-mail messages, or any other alias that any citizen may choose to
use. Rather, 'Roman name' for the purposes of this edict refers to the name
used by the citizen in public oaths, applications to sodalitates and in
other official contexts; this Roman name is the one recorded in the
censorial album civium.
C. Note that the use of the male gender throughout this document is done
solely for clarity, and is not meant to imply any disparity between the
sexes before the law.
D. Also note that this document uses the word sex to describe the physical
sex of a person and the word gender to refer to linguistic gender only.
E. It is not the intent of this edictum to discriminate against or to make
any judgment about homosexuality, transgenderedness, or any other sexual
identity. No such discrimination should be inferred from any part of this
document. Nor should it be used as a precedent for any law, magisterial act,
edictum, or other action that interferes with the rights of any citizen on
the basis of that citizen's sexual identity.
F. The Edictum Censoriale de Mutandis Nominibus is hereby rescinded in
favor of this lex.
II. Definition of a Roman Name
A. A Roman name consists of a praenomen, nomen, (optionally) cognomen, and
(possibly) an agnomen, and, in rare cases, several agnomina.
B. The praenomen is a citizen's given name, and is used to distinguish
between members of a particular gens. Since there are very few historical
praenomina, and since the praenomen's role is almost entirely secondary, a
citizen is almost never referred to by praenomen alone.
C. The nomen identifies a citizen's gens. Since a change in the stem of a
citizen's nomen would necessitate a change in gens-- a case of either
adoptio or the founding of a new gens-- it is beyond the scope of this
edictum.
D. The cognomen was originally a nickname. It is used to further identify
members within a gens, who could easily be identically named due to the
paucity of praenomina. Over time, the cognomen became inherited, and was
used to identify specific family lines within a single gens. Changes to
adopt certain names as cognomina are restricted, as set forth in paragraphs
E and F below. Note that these restrictions do not apply whatsoever to
cognomina under which citizens have already received citizenship.
E. An agnomen is an additional form of nickname that is commonly bestowed
upon a citizen by others, often to commemorate significant accomplishments
or important events in the citizen's life. While it is possible for a
citizen to add a new agnomen or change an existing one by request, agnomina
of distinction must be awarded by a senator, curule magistrate, or pontifex
in recognition of service to Nova Roma. Official recognition of such awarded
agnomina of distinction is completed by the censors' entering the agnomina
in the album civium. Following each such entry by the censores, the latter
will provide the curator araneae with the full Roman name of the
distinguished citizen and an explanation of the circumstances and reasons
surrounding the award of the agnomen, that the curator araneae may publish
this information to the Nova Roma website as he sees fit.
F. Agnomina of distinction include, but are not limited to, the following:
Augur, Augustus, Felix, Invictus, Magnus, Maximus, Optimus, Pius, Superbus,
Victor. Note that these restrictions do not apply whatsoever to agnomina
under which citizens have already received citizenship.
G. EXAMPLE: Quintus Caecilius Metellus Nepos would be Quintus of the
Metellus branch of gens Caecilia. His family would be referred to as the
Caecilii Metelli, in order to distinguish them from the other families
within gens Caecilia. His agnomen, Nepos, distinguishes him from any other
Quintus of the Caecilii Metelli. As nepos means grandson, it also most
likely distinguishes him as the third in a line of like-named people.
III. Procedures
A . A citizen wishing to change his name shall first contact his
paterfamilias and present his reasons for desiring a name change, as well as
the desired name. The paterfamilias will in turn contact the censores should
he approve of the name change, or should he find that he requires help in
determining whether or not to approve the change.
B. Patresfamiliae are instructed to work cooperatively with members of
their gens who desire to change their names in order to help them conform to
the letter and spirit of this document.
C. Should a paterfamilias disapprove of a citizen's desired name change,
refusing to present it to the censores, said citizen may appeal to the
censores within ninety (90) days of the refusal.
D. A paterfamilias who wishes to change his name shall apply to the
censores directly.
E. Should an applicant fail to obtain a name change from the censores, he
may, within ninety (90) days of the refusal, appeal to a consul or praetor
to bring the matter before the people through a vote in the Comitia Populi
Tributa.
1. Note that such an action requires the citizen who desires the change
to temporarily waive his rights of confidentiality as defined in Lex
Cornelia de Privatis Rebus, in order that evidence for and against the
application may be presented to the populace.
2. Also note that the decision to convene the Comitia Populi Tributa,
along with the schedule for doing so, is the purview of the consules and
praetores, and is therefore beyond the scope of this edict.
IV. Guidelines
A. An application for a name change is confidential. The requested name,
along with any and all evidence presented with it, is considered
confidential information as covered by the Lex Cornelia de Privatis Rebus.
Censores, patresfamiliae, and anyone called to provide testimony by any
party in the procedure are not to divulge any information applicable to the
name change to anyone without the applicant's written permission, except as
directed by this edict. Such exceptions include the following:
1. A paterfamilias providing relevant information upon referring a
request for a new name to the censores.
2. A paterfamilias or other citizen providing relevant information upon
a censor, consul, or praetor's request, as in the case of an appeal of
a denied application.
3. A citizen presenting evidence before the Comitia Populi Tributa in
the case of an appeal to those comitia.
B. The guiding principle in considering name changes is to be conformity
with ancient Roman tradition.
1. New praenomina should be historically attested ones.
2. As previously stated, agnomina of distinction (Maximus, Felix, et
cetera) are not to be granted to citizens on request, but can be awarded to
any citizen by any senator, curule magistrate, or pontifex in recognition of
any special service to the Republic. It is up to the patresfamiliae and
censores to determine what is and is not an agnomen of distinction on a
case-by-case basis.
3. Cognomina and agnomina can be new coinages, but must be conducive to
Latin declension, and must have a clear meaning-- both semantically and in
specific relation to the citizen requesting the added or changed name.
4. The gender of the name is to be consistent. Each part is to agree
with all others in gender, and with the sex of the citizen requesting the
name change.
B. A citizen who wishes to change the gender of his name counter to that
dictated by his sex must present, in support of his application, proof of
acceptance of the contrary sex by an authority of a macronation, state, or
municipality. In other words, if the applicant is physically a man and has a
form of macronational or municipal identification listing his sex as female,
or is officially recognized as a woman in his country of macronational
citizenship, then he may use a feminine name in Nova Roma.
1. An exception to this rule is allowed in the case of transsexual
citizens who are discussing surgical sex alteration with a health care
provider or undergoing other medical and psychological treatment in
preparation for such an operation. In these instances, documentation
pertaining to health care provider(s) may be required of the applicant.
2. Post-operative transsexual citizens shall be named according to their
current sex.
3. Hermaphrodites shall be named according to the sex in which they are
recognized by their country of macronational citizenship.
[Please note that if this lex is not approved by the comitia, the principles
and procedures outlined herein will still remain the "law of the land", but
in the form of an edictum, rather than a lex. I have tidied up some things,
but the lex is otherwise identical to the edictum. No compromise or
alternate version of this lex is presented, as the individual who first
presented the alternative version, and later supported the compromise, has
since resigned her citizenship thus rendering the point moot.]
-----
Item III. Lex Cornelia et Maria de civitate eiuranda
I. Resignation of citizenship from Nova Roma, as stated in paragraph II.A.4.
of the constitution of Nova Roma, is effected by notification to the
censores, or by declaration before three or more witnesses. Messages posted
to e-mail lists or to electronic message boards, or statements of intent to
resign citizenship made "live" meet the requirement for three witnesses to a
resignation if and only if three witnesses to the resignation notify the
censors thereof within 72 hours of the initial proclamation. Individuals
wishing to resign their citizenship may contact the censors directly and
obviate the need for witnesses.
II. When a citizen resigns citizenship in Nova Roma, the resignation will
not take effect for nine days from the date of the censors being notified,
counting inclusively of the date of the notification. If, during this
nundina, the citizen desires to withdraw his or her resignation and remain a
citizen, that citizen may freely do so without penalty, except as defined in
the next
paragraph. The citizen can withdraw the resignation by notifying the
censores of his/her desire to withdraw the resignation, by at least the same
channel that he/she used to submit the resignation. For example, if a
citizen submits a message to the e-mail address of the censores, currently
censors@--------, stating that he/she resigns, then the citizen must
e-mail the censores by the same address to withdraw the resignation.
III. If a currently serving magistrate submits and withdraws multiple
resignations of citizenship within the same calendar year, the censores will
have grounds, after a closed hearing at which the magistrate will have
opportunity to present reasoning for his/her actions, to issue an edictum
against the magistrate rendering him/her ineligible to run for elected
office for one year. Should the magistrate believe that he/she has a case
for appeal of such an edictum, he/she can appeal to a Tribunus Plebis,
Praetor or Consul within 30 days of issuance of the edictum as follows:
A. If Plebeian, either to a Tribunus Plebis to bring the appeal to the
Comitia Plebis Tributa or to a Praetor or Consul to bring the appeal to the
Comitia Populi Tributa
B. If Patrician, to a Praetor or Consul to bring the appeal to the Comitia
Populi Tributa
C. Note that the decision to convene these comitia, along with the
schedule for doing so, is the purview of the tribuni, consules and
praetores, and is therefore beyond the scope of this edict
IV. When a citizen resigns citizenship in Nova Roma, and the resignation
becomes official after nine days, the ex-citizen is barred from
reapplication and reinstatement for a period of six months, effective from
the date his or her resignation became official. EXAMPLE: A citizen resigned
on May 1 2000, and his resignation became official on May 9, 2000, he could
not be reinstated until November 9, 2000.
V. The ex-citizen, in the event that he desires to reacquire citizenship,
must apply in the same fashion as any other person desirous of citizenship
would, with the exception that he/she is directed to state in his/her
application the reasons behind his/her resignation and decision to reverse
the resignation and come back. His/her Roman name may be resumed if no other
citizen of Nova Roma has taken it up in his/her absence. No public offices,
titles or century points carry over to the returning citizen, with the
exception of any religious title and corresponding century points that may
be specified by the Collegium Pontificum. Senatorial status may be resumed
at the discretion of both the Senate and of the censores collegially. Gens
affiliation in all instances remains at the discretion of the pater or
materfamilias.
VI. If a citizen resigns, is subsequently reinstated, and resigns a second
time, that ex-citizen is barred for two years from reinstatement. Such a
citizen is furthermore barred from running for any elected public office for
two years following re-admission, with no recourse.
VII. If a citizen resigns, is subsequently reinstated, and resigns a second
time, is subsequently reinstated, and resigns a third time, that ex-citizen
is barred forever from reinstatement. The ex-citizen has despised his
citizenship and shown contempt for the state: he may never be reinstated
thereafter.
VIII. The Censors will note the dates of submitted and withdrawn
resignations in the censorial album civium.
[I have re-written the first paragraph with language which, hopefully,
answers both the censors' concerns that the album civium be kept up-to-date,
and the Constitutional requirement that cives be allowed to simply resign by
notifying three witnesses. In such instances, the lex places the onus for
notifying the censors on the witnesses themselves.]
-----
Item IV. Lex Vedia de assidui et capiti censi
I. This Lex Vedia de assidui et capiti censi is hereby enacted to define the
classifications of taxpayers and non-taxpayers, and put in place special
conditions on those who are unable or unwilling to support the financial
welfare of the Republic through payment of those taxes which may be enacted
by the Senate.
II. Citizens who pay taxes in such amount and in such manner as may be
defined by the Senate shall be considered assidui. No special conditions
shall be placed on assidui in regards to their placement in centuries and
tribes or their ability to run for or hold office.
III. Citizens who do not pay taxes in such amount and in such manner as may
be defined by the Senate shall be considered capiti censi. The following
special conditions shall apply to capiti censi:
A. The Censors shall place all capiti censi in the last century in
Class V as defined in the Lex Vedia Centuriata and those leges which may
amend it, and no other Citizens shall be enrolled therein.
B. The Censors shall place all capiti censi in the urban tribes as
defined in the Lex Vedia Tributorum and those leges which may amend it.
C. No member of the capiti censi may run for or hold office as one of
the ordinarii (including the apparitores), nor be appointed to or hold
office as provincial governor. Proletarii may hold provincial or local
offices at the discretion of the governor of the province in question.
[I changed the term proletarii to capiti censi, as it does seem an
appropriate modification. I didn't put in any language regarding counting
public service in lieu of taxes, for, while I think the idea is an
interesting one which may very well be something we can adopt, it is beyond
the scope of this lex, as it would be something to be included in the
taxation plan itself. This lex only deals with those who don't pay taxes,
and has nothing to do with defining how those taxes are to be paid; i.e.,
monetarily or in kind.]
-----
I believe this is all the business that has been discussed for the Comitia
Populi Tributa. If I have forgotten anything, please let me know soonest, as
my poor sleep-deprived brain is in more need of jogging than it has been
previously. :-)
Next year in the Forum!
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Appointment |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:53:43 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Citizens of Nova Roma;
I stand forward, Citizens, to issue Edict No.2 of the Provincia Nova
Britannia:
This Edict is the appointment of Marcus Scipio Africanus as my personal
ProConsular Aide and Assensai. I have also, for the benefit of those
who may be interested in the Sodalitas Militarium, appointed the above
gentleman as Militarium Tribunus Angusticlavii Pro Tem to undertake the
recruiting, organization and development of the Research and
Documentation Unit within the Sodalitas and who will serve temporarily
under the authority of the Militarium Praefectus until the appointment
of the Militarium Legatus Legionus, at which time the new Legate will
assume the responsibility of this new Unit and this newly appointed
Officer.
The first task of Tribunus Marcus Africanus will be the development of
the Sodalitas Militarium Newsletter planned for the end of May. I would
ask all citizens who may be interested in contributing to this
newsletter to please contact Tribune Africanus.
In addition, anyone interested in serving on his projected staff in the
S. Militarium is also urged to contact him immediately.
I publicly take this opportunity to thank Tribunus Africanus for
volunteering to take on these positions and welcome him both to my
Proconsular Staff and to the Sodalitas Militarium.
Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Upcoming CPoT Vote |
| From: |
Kristoffer From <kristoffer.from@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:31:39 +0200 |
|
Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:
> Item IV. Lex Vedia de assidui et capiti censi
>
> III. Citizens who do not pay taxes in such amount and in such manner as may
> be defined by the Senate shall be considered capiti censi. The following
> special conditions shall apply to capiti censi:
>
> C. No member of the capiti censi may run for or hold office as one of
> the ordinarii (including the apparitores), nor be appointed to or hold
> office as provincial governor. Proletarii may hold provincial or local
> offices at the discretion of the governor of the province in question.
Salvete, Flavi Vedi Germanice et omnes.
Again, I will try to make my view on this matter clear; I don't think
that we should deny ourselves the skills of those of our citizens who
cannot or will not pay their taxes. The other parts of the edict
"punishes" those unwilling/unable to pay, but this part only closes off
a part of our potential.
As have been stated, they may still provide valuable services in other
offices, such as scribare or legatus. But some people are better suited
than others for certain positions, and those we should not disallow from
providing us with this valuable service. This would not be to grant
offenders the same freedom as tax-paying citizens, but rather to keep
them in the roles they're best suited for.
In other words, this is not for the benefit of those who don't pay their
taxes, but for the betterment of Nova Roma. Just because someone is
unwilling to contribute financially to our beloved Res Publica, he
shouldn't be prohibited from contributing his skills and time.
Valete,
Titus Octavius Pius,
Consiliarius Thules,
Praeco Anarei Thules,
Scriba to the Curator Araneum
AKA Kristoffer From
---
Si hoc signum legere potes,
operis boni in rebus latinis alacribus
et fructuosis potiri potes.
- Not-so-famous quotation
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] AMERICA MEDIOCCIDENTALIS SUPERIOR EDICTA NUMBER ONE |
| From: |
"John and Angie" <beauseant@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:47:43 -0500 |
|
I, Marcus Severus Falco Corvo, ( John Gonzalez) do hereby accept the office of Legatus Militum for the provincia America Mediooccidentalis Superior, and the office of Legate for the state of Missouri with pride.
(Sorry, not big on oratory)
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Upcoming CPoT Vote |
| From: |
"C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:13:05 -0400 |
|
Salve Consul Flavi Vedi Germanice,
Just a quick question - does Nova Roma have any provisions for absentee
voting? I'm going to be down in Argentina (Patagonia in particular) with my
National Guard unit from May 12th -26th, and will be nowhere near a
computer. Obviously I'd like to vote, but if it's not possible under the
circumstances that's fine - I just don't want to miss an opportunity that
I'm not aware of... =) Thanks!
Vale,
C. Minucius Hadrianus
Legatus of Massachusetts
ICQ# 28924742
"Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." - Vegetius
-----Original Message-----
From: Flavius Vedius Germanicus [mailto:germanicus@--------]
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 4:50 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Upcoming CPoT Vote
Flavius Vedius Germanicus novaromanis S.P.D.
In order to fill the vacancy in the ranks of our quaestores, the Comitia
Populi Tributa will be called to vote in a week or so. I just wanted to
present the candidates and two or three other matters that might as well
get
voted on as long as we're dragging out the cista back into service...
As of now, my intention is to begin the Contio (official debate) on May
7th,
with the actual voting taking place May 12th through the 20th. Remember,
this election will take place using the new voting rules recently enacted
by
the comitia.
This is merely a preliminary agenda, posted to allow informal discussion
of
the various matters herein. It is not an official call to vote. If anyone
has any suggested changes or additions, or if anyone else wishes to
present
themselves as a candidate for quaestor, please let the consuls
(consuls@--------) know as soon as possible. Any notes I may add are
in
[brackets].
-----
Item I. Election of quaestor
Thusfar two candidates have presented themselves for the single vacant
position:
* Oppius Flaccus Severus
* Titus Curius Dannicus
[Please note that Oppius Flaccus Severus will not have met the requirement
of six months' citizenship until May 28th, and would not be able to assume
office before then.]
-----
Item II. Lex Cornelia et Maria de Mutandis Nominibus
I. Introduction
A. This lex is set forth to define the procedures by which a citizen may
apply to add, alter, or substitute any portion of his or her Roman name,
and
to state the guidelines by which such an application may be judged. This
is
done in order to attain a measure of conformity with ancient Roman naming
conventions and tradition. Note that this lex, and its procedures and
guidelines, apply to changes sought by citizens after the publication of
this edictum, and do not apply to citizens' existing names, although the
information herein will certainly be of use to new citizens choosing a
Roman
name.
B. This edict has no impact on chatroom handles, signatures to private
or
casual e-mail messages, or any other alias that any citizen may choose to
use. Rather, 'Roman name' for the purposes of this edict refers to the
name
used by the citizen in public oaths, applications to sodalitates and in
other official contexts; this Roman name is the one recorded in the
censorial album civium.
C. Note that the use of the male gender throughout this document is done
solely for clarity, and is not meant to imply any disparity between the
sexes before the law.
D. Also note that this document uses the word sex to describe the
physical
sex of a person and the word gender to refer to linguistic gender only.
E. It is not the intent of this edictum to discriminate against or to
make
any judgment about homosexuality, transgenderedness, or any other sexual
identity. No such discrimination should be inferred from any part of this
document. Nor should it be used as a precedent for any law, magisterial
act,
edictum, or other action that interferes with the rights of any citizen on
the basis of that citizen's sexual identity.
F. The Edictum Censoriale de Mutandis Nominibus is hereby rescinded in
favor of this lex.
II. Definition of a Roman Name
A. A Roman name consists of a praenomen, nomen, (optionally) cognomen,
and
(possibly) an agnomen, and, in rare cases, several agnomina.
B. The praenomen is a citizen's given name, and is used to distinguish
between members of a particular gens. Since there are very few historical
praenomina, and since the praenomen's role is almost entirely secondary, a
citizen is almost never referred to by praenomen alone.
C. The nomen identifies a citizen's gens. Since a change in the stem of
a
citizen's nomen would necessitate a change in gens-- a case of either
adoptio or the founding of a new gens-- it is beyond the scope of this
edictum.
D. The cognomen was originally a nickname. It is used to further
identify
members within a gens, who could easily be identically named due to the
paucity of praenomina. Over time, the cognomen became inherited, and was
used to identify specific family lines within a single gens. Changes to
adopt certain names as cognomina are restricted, as set forth in
paragraphs
E and F below. Note that these restrictions do not apply whatsoever to
cognomina under which citizens have already received citizenship.
E. An agnomen is an additional form of nickname that is commonly
bestowed
upon a citizen by others, often to commemorate significant accomplishments
or important events in the citizen's life. While it is possible for a
citizen to add a new agnomen or change an existing one by request,
agnomina
of distinction must be awarded by a senator, curule magistrate, or
pontifex
in recognition of service to Nova Roma. Official recognition of such
awarded
agnomina of distinction is completed by the censors' entering the agnomina
in the album civium. Following each such entry by the censores, the latter
will provide the curator araneae with the full Roman name of the
distinguished citizen and an explanation of the circumstances and reasons
surrounding the award of the agnomen, that the curator araneae may publish
this information to the Nova Roma website as he sees fit.
F. Agnomina of distinction include, but are not limited to, the
following:
Augur, Augustus, Felix, Invictus, Magnus, Maximus, Optimus, Pius,
Superbus,
Victor. Note that these restrictions do not apply whatsoever to agnomina
under which citizens have already received citizenship.
G. EXAMPLE: Quintus Caecilius Metellus Nepos would be Quintus of the
Metellus branch of gens Caecilia. His family would be referred to as the
Caecilii Metelli, in order to distinguish them from the other families
within gens Caecilia. His agnomen, Nepos, distinguishes him from any other
Quintus of the Caecilii Metelli. As nepos means grandson, it also most
likely distinguishes him as the third in a line of like-named people.
III. Procedures
A . A citizen wishing to change his name shall first contact his
paterfamilias and present his reasons for desiring a name change, as well
as
the desired name. The paterfamilias will in turn contact the censores
should
he approve of the name change, or should he find that he requires help in
determining whether or not to approve the change.
B. Patresfamiliae are instructed to work cooperatively with members of
their gens who desire to change their names in order to help them conform
to
the letter and spirit of this document.
C. Should a paterfamilias disapprove of a citizen's desired name change,
refusing to present it to the censores, said citizen may appeal to the
censores within ninety (90) days of the refusal.
D. A paterfamilias who wishes to change his name shall apply to the
censores directly.
E. Should an applicant fail to obtain a name change from the censores,
he
may, within ninety (90) days of the refusal, appeal to a consul or praetor
to bring the matter before the people through a vote in the Comitia Populi
Tributa.
1. Note that such an action requires the citizen who desires the
change
to temporarily waive his rights of confidentiality as defined in Lex
Cornelia de Privatis Rebus, in order that evidence for and against the
application may be presented to the populace.
2. Also note that the decision to convene the Comitia Populi Tributa,
along with the schedule for doing so, is the purview of the consules and
praetores, and is therefore beyond the scope of this edict.
IV. Guidelines
A. An application for a name change is confidential. The requested name,
along with any and all evidence presented with it, is considered
confidential information as covered by the Lex Cornelia de Privatis Rebus.
Censores, patresfamiliae, and anyone called to provide testimony by any
party in the procedure are not to divulge any information applicable to
the
name change to anyone without the applicant's written permission, except
as
directed by this edict. Such exceptions include the following:
1. A paterfamilias providing relevant information upon referring a
request for a new name to the censores.
2. A paterfamilias or other citizen providing relevant information
upon
a censor, consul, or praetor's request, as in the case of an appeal
of
a denied application.
3. A citizen presenting evidence before the Comitia Populi Tributa in
the case of an appeal to those comitia.
B. The guiding principle in considering name changes is to be conformity
with ancient Roman tradition.
1. New praenomina should be historically attested ones.
2. As previously stated, agnomina of distinction (Maximus, Felix, et
cetera) are not to be granted to citizens on request, but can be awarded
to
any citizen by any senator, curule magistrate, or pontifex in recognition
of
any special service to the Republic. It is up to the patresfamiliae and
censores to determine what is and is not an agnomen of distinction on a
case-by-case basis.
3. Cognomina and agnomina can be new coinages, but must be conducive
to
Latin declension, and must have a clear meaning-- both semantically and in
specific relation to the citizen requesting the added or changed name.
4. The gender of the name is to be consistent. Each part is to agree
with all others in gender, and with the sex of the citizen requesting the
name change.
B. A citizen who wishes to change the gender of his name counter to that
dictated by his sex must present, in support of his application, proof of
acceptance of the contrary sex by an authority of a macronation, state, or
municipality. In other words, if the applicant is physically a man and has
a
form of macronational or municipal identification listing his sex as
female,
or is officially recognized as a woman in his country of macronational
citizenship, then he may use a feminine name in Nova Roma.
1. An exception to this rule is allowed in the case of transsexual
citizens who are discussing surgical sex alteration with a health care
provider or undergoing other medical and psychological treatment in
preparation for such an operation. In these instances, documentation
pertaining to health care provider(s) may be required of the applicant.
2. Post-operative transsexual citizens shall be named according to
their
current sex.
3. Hermaphrodites shall be named according to the sex in which they
are
recognized by their country of macronational citizenship.
[Please note that if this lex is not approved by the comitia, the
principles
and procedures outlined herein will still remain the "law of the land",
but
in the form of an edictum, rather than a lex. I have tidied up some
things,
but the lex is otherwise identical to the edictum. No compromise or
alternate version of this lex is presented, as the individual who first
presented the alternative version, and later supported the compromise, has
since resigned her citizenship thus rendering the point moot.]
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Item III. Lex Cornelia et Maria de civitate eiuranda
I. Resignation of citizenship from Nova Roma, as stated in paragraph
II.A.4.
of the constitution of Nova Roma, is effected by notification to the
censores, or by declaration before three or more witnesses. Messages
posted
to e-mail lists or to electronic message boards, or statements of intent
to
resign citizenship made "live" meet the requirement for three witnesses to
a
resignation if and only if three witnesses to the resignation notify the
censors thereof within 72 hours of the initial proclamation. Individuals
wishing to resign their citizenship may contact the censors directly and
obviate the need for witnesses.
II. When a citizen resigns citizenship in Nova Roma, the resignation will
not take effect for nine days from the date of the censors being notified,
counting inclusively of the date of the notification. If, during this
nundina, the citizen desires to withdraw his or her resignation and remain
a
citizen, that citizen may freely do so without penalty, except as defined
in
the next
paragraph. The citizen can withdraw the resignation by notifying the
censores of his/her desire to withdraw the resignation, by at least the
same
channel that he/she used to submit the resignation. For example, if a
citizen submits a message to the e-mail address of the censores, currently
censors@--------, stating that he/she resigns, then the citizen must
e-mail the censores by the same address to withdraw the resignation.
III. If a currently serving magistrate submits and withdraws multiple
resignations of citizenship within the same calendar year, the censores
will
have grounds, after a closed hearing at which the magistrate will have
opportunity to present reasoning for his/her actions, to issue an edictum
against the magistrate rendering him/her ineligible to run for elected
office for one year. Should the magistrate believe that he/she has a case
for appeal of such an edictum, he/she can appeal to a Tribunus Plebis,
Praetor or Consul within 30 days of issuance of the edictum as follows:
A. If Plebeian, either to a Tribunus Plebis to bring the appeal to the
Comitia Plebis Tributa or to a Praetor or Consul to bring the appeal to
the
Comitia Populi Tributa
B. If Patrician, to a Praetor or Consul to bring the appeal to the
Comitia
Populi Tributa
C. Note that the decision to convene these comitia, along with the
schedule for doing so, is the purview of the tribuni, consules and
praetores, and is therefore beyond the scope of this edict
IV. When a citizen resigns citizenship in Nova Roma, and the resignation
becomes official after nine days, the ex-citizen is barred from
reapplication and reinstatement for a period of six months, effective from
the date his or her resignation became official. EXAMPLE: A citizen
resigned
on May 1 2000, and his resignation became official on May 9, 2000, he
could
not be reinstated until November 9, 2000.
V. The ex-citizen, in the event that he desires to reacquire citizenship,
must apply in the same fashion as any other person desirous of citizenship
would, with the exception that he/she is directed to state in his/her
application the reasons behind his/her resignation and decision to reverse
the resignation and come back. His/her Roman name may be resumed if no
other
citizen of Nova Roma has taken it up in his/her absence. No public
offices,
titles or century points carry over to the returning citizen, with the
exception of any religious title and corresponding century points that may
be specified by the Collegium Pontificum. Senatorial status may be resumed
at the discretion of both the Senate and of the censores collegially. Gens
affiliation in all instances remains at the discretion of the pater or
materfamilias.
VI. If a citizen resigns, is subsequently reinstated, and resigns a second
time, that ex-citizen is barred for two years from reinstatement. Such a
citizen is furthermore barred from running for any elected public office
for
two years following re-admission, with no recourse.
VII. If a citizen resigns, is subsequently reinstated, and resigns a
second
time, is subsequently reinstated, and resigns a third time, that
ex-citizen
is barred forever from reinstatement. The ex-citizen has despised his
citizenship and shown contempt for the state: he may never be reinstated
thereafter.
VIII. The Censors will note the dates of submitted and withdrawn
resignations in the censorial album civium.
[I have re-written the first paragraph with language which, hopefully,
answers both the censors' concerns that the album civium be kept
up-to-date,
and the Constitutional requirement that cives be allowed to simply resign
by
notifying three witnesses. In such instances, the lex places the onus for
notifying the censors on the witnesses themselves.]
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Item IV. Lex Vedia de assidui et capiti censi
I. This Lex Vedia de assidui et capiti censi is hereby enacted to define
the
classifications of taxpayers and non-taxpayers, and put in place special
conditions on those who are unable or unwilling to support the financial
welfare of the Republic through payment of those taxes which may be
enacted
by the Senate.
II. Citizens who pay taxes in such amount and in such manner as may be
defined by the Senate shall be considered assidui. No special conditions
shall be placed on assidui in regards to their placement in centuries and
tribes or their ability to run for or hold office.
III. Citizens who do not pay taxes in such amount and in such manner as
may
be defined by the Senate shall be considered capiti censi. The following
special conditions shall apply to capiti censi:
A. The Censors shall place all capiti censi in the last century in
Class V as defined in the Lex Vedia Centuriata and those leges which may
amend it, and no other Citizens shall be enrolled therein.
B. The Censors shall place all capiti censi in the urban tribes as
defined in the Lex Vedia Tributorum and those leges which may amend it.
C. No member of the capiti censi may run for or hold office as one of
the ordinarii (including the apparitores), nor be appointed to or hold
office as provincial governor. Proletarii may hold provincial or local
offices at the discretion of the governor of the province in question.
[I changed the term proletarii to capiti censi, as it does seem an
appropriate modification. I didn't put in any language regarding counting
public service in lieu of taxes, for, while I think the idea is an
interesting one which may very well be something we can adopt, it is
beyond
the scope of this lex, as it would be something to be included in the
taxation plan itself. This lex only deals with those who don't pay taxes,
and has nothing to do with defining how those taxes are to be paid; i.e.,
monetarily or in kind.]
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I believe this is all the business that has been discussed for the Comitia
Populi Tributa. If I have forgotten anything, please let me know soonest,
as
my poor sleep-deprived brain is in more need of jogging than it has been
previously. :-)
Next year in the Forum!
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
email: germanicus@--------
AIM: Flavius Vedius
www: http://mediatlantica.novaroma.org
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Virtual Temples |
| From: |
SkaldElf@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:15:25 EDT |
|
Salve,
My on going search to incorporate the Religio Romana into the Collegia of
Polyhymnia has actually been successful this time around :-).
For those who know of or who keeps a Virtual Temple dedicated to a deity, and
wishes for advertisement. The Sodalitas Musarum is putting something together
just for that purpose. Feel free to e-mail me offlist with link and which
deity it is. Thanks again.
Bene Vale,
Aeternia Iulia Caesaria
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Addendum |
| From: |
SkaldElf@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:54:56 EDT |
|
Salve,
A reminder about tomorrow's Classical showcase and some additional
information.
The showcase will be for one week starting May 1st through the 8th. Beginning
Tuesday at 6 a.m. Roman time ending May 8th 6 p.m. eastern time. Membership
will be open (meaning no moderator approval) and that will take effect as
soon as I head for dreamland :-). I hope this will be a huge success and
we'll see some new faces.
Thanks again for putting up with me these past few days I know I've been
irritating.
Bene Vale,
Aeternia Iulia Caesaria
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Grisly secrets of the 'civilising' Romans |
| From: |
"A. Cato" <a.cato@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:03:27 -0400 |
|
Salve: IMHO there could be many explanations for this. In modern society we
have our cults, that in some (emphasized) cases, do things that are against
the law and considered barbaric. It is possible that there were cults in the
Roman Empire particularly in the provinces, that behaved in ways that would
have resulted in criminal charges being laid if they had been caught doing
what they were doing. ( It would be surprising if there weren't any cults
such as that.) As far as I am aware, human sacrifice in Rome was done away
with during the time of the kings, before the Republic. Although we can find
much that was wrong in Ancient Rome, I don't believe that this case should
relflect on Rome as a whole. Vale, ... A. Cato, ... Rogator
----- Original Message -----
From: "Piparskeggr Ullarsson" <catamount_grange@-------->
To: "Nova Roman Forum" <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 10:23 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Grisly secrets of the 'civilising' Romans
> Salvete,
>
> Don't know how good the science actually is, but if corroborated,
> this casts a bit of a shadow?
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,480486,00.html
>
> --
> ===========================================
> In Amicus sub Fidelis, Benedicte Omnes!
> - Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
> Cives, Paterfamilias Gens Ulleria
> Quæstor, Legate, Dominus Sodalis
> My homestead
> http://www.geocities.com/piparskegg/index.html
> File of my Poems and Songs
> http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/Pip_music
> Sodalis pro Coqueror et Coquus
> http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] attn : argentinos/argentinians Sp./Eng. |
| From: |
octavianuslucius@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:10:13 -0000 |
|
Spanish/español
Salud a todos.
El domingo 20 de Mayo a las 18:00 hora local (GMT - 3) tendremos el
segundo chat provincial. Se requiere la membresía a la lista
provincial para ingresar al chat.
Saludos
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor provinciae Argentinae
English/inglés
Salvete omnes
On Sunday May 20th, 2001 18:00 local time (GMT-3) we shall have our
second chat meeting. Membership to the provincial list required to
join the chat.
Valete
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor provinciae Argentinae
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Appointment |
| From: |
CW2ShaneEvans@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:08:52 EDT |
|
Praefectus Audens and Fellow Citizens,
I humbly accept the offices to which I have been appointed, and shall
strive to accomplish all the goals set before me, and work for the greater
good of the Republic. If anyone is interested in assisting me with this
endeavor, please send me a scroll at your earliest convenience, and I shall
give you more details. Again, my thanks, and may the gods bless.
Respectfully,
Marcus Africanus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Upcoming CPoT Vote |
| From: |
TSardonicus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:23:34 EDT |
|
Salvete,
In a message dated 4/30/01 2:32:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
kristoffer.from@-------- writes:
> > C. No member of the capiti censi may run for or hold office as one of
> > the ordinarii (including the apparitores), nor be appointed to or hold
> > office as provincial governor. Proletarii may hold provincial or local
> > offices at the discretion of the governor of the province in question.
>As have been stated, they may still provide valuable services in other
>offices, such as scribare or legatus. But some people are better suited
>than others for certain positions, and those we should not disallow from
>providing us with this valuable service. This would not be to grant
>offenders the same freedom as tax-paying citizens, but rather to keep
>them in the roles they're best suited for. "
The Lex Vedia de assidui et capiti censi does not forbid non-tax payers from
providing valuable services to the Republic. It simply states that they
cannot hold office. Does the lack of the title Scribae prevent someone from
assisting in the preparation of documents?
At the very least, the Lex does not deny membership to those that cannot
afford "dues". Indeed, it does not prevent a 'non-taxpayer' from holding an
officially recognized provincial appointment. In my opinion, it is sound and
fair.
Valete,
Lucius Tiberius Sardonicus
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