Forum Romanum


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Test
From:	holyconelia@--------
Date:	Wed, 02 May 2001 20:30:49 -0000

I am posting from te Yahoogroups web site as not only am I not geting
any email novaroma ( i get teh digest and the last two days I did not
get any so i am reading and posting from the website GRRRRRRRRRRR
Marcus Cornelius Felix

--- In novaroma@--------, "L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@e...>
wrote:
> Test
>
> Sorry for this..but I am not getting hardly any posts at all
today....Could
> someone respond to this so that I know my posts are getting to the
list.
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

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Subject:	[novaroma] Texas Groups
From:	CW2ShaneEvans@--------
Date:	Wed, 2 May 2001 16:15:11 EDT

Anyone have info on any legios in Texas or around that area?

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Subject:	[novaroma] =?iso-8859-1?q?I=B4m_new_here...?=
From:	fred_schlichting@--------
Date:	Wed, 02 May 2001 11:27:40 -0000

Hello!

Always having great fascination about the roman culture and history,
I came to the nova roma honepage, I promptly joined the maling-list.
Now, how do I become a citizen? What must be done?

Thanks, Fred Schlichting

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Test
From:	"A. Cato" <a.cato@-------->
Date:	Wed, 2 May 2001 18:59:02 -0400

Salve: The problem affecting Yahoo Groups yesterday appears to be
continuing today. Some of us seem to be having a continuing problem sending
E-mails to the lists and receiving E-mail in return. I wouldn't be surprised
to see it take two hours for this return message to get posted. I'll see if
I can find any notices of a problem on the main Yahoo site, and the Groups
site.
Vale, ... A. Cato, ... Rogator
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Octavius Germanicus" <haase@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Test

> Salve,
>
> > Sorry for this..but I am not getting hardly any posts at all
today....Could
> > someone respond to this so that I know my posts are getting to the list.
>
> This problem apparently affected all of yahoogroups yesterday; posts were
> very slow to arrive on this and other lists. Something I posted yesterday
> morning took over an hour to be distributed.
>
> Vale, O.
>
> M. Octavius Germanicus
> Propraetor, Lacus Magni
> Curator Araneum et Senator
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_I=B4m_new_here...?=
From:	"Lucius Tiberius Sardonicus" <TSardonicus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 00:49:00 -0000

Salve, Fred

Before you submit your application, I suggest you get a feel for what
Nova Roma is all about by reading as much as you can on the Via
Romana page:

http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/index.html

...and peruse the section on Roman Names, in particular. You may
wish to visit the Album Civium and research a Gens (family) you wish
to belong to and contact the paterfamilias of that gens. I played
around on the site for almost a week, learning everything I could in
that time before submitting my application.

When you are ready, you can find the application for citizenship here:

http://www.novaroma.org/bin/apply

Vale,
L. Tiberius Sardonicus.

--- In novaroma@--------, fred_schlichting@w... wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Always having great fascination about the roman culture and
history,
> I came to the nova roma honepage, I promptly joined the maling-list.
> Now, how do I become a citizen? What must be done?
>
> Thanks, Fred Schlichting

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Subject:	=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5Bnovaroma=5D_I=B4m_new_here...?=
From:	"A. Cato" <a.cato@-------->
Date:	Wed, 2 May 2001 20:53:44 -0400

Greetings Fred: Thankyou for your interest. You will find a great deal of
information to answer question at the main Nova Roma website. Simply type in
"Nova Roma" in your web browser and click on Main Index. There, you will
find enough to keep you reading for quite some time.
To apply for citizenship, go to http://www.novaroma.org/bin/apply and
fill out the application form. Before you do this you should probably check
out the list of Roman names on the main site, and study some information on
how Roman names are chosen.
I welcome you, and hope you find your home with us.
Ave atque vale, ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, ... Rogator
----- Original Message -----
From: "fred schlichting" <fred_schlichting@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 6:17 AM
Subject: [novaroma] I´m new here...

Hello fellow roman citizens!

I´m fascinated about the idea of a (virtual) rebirth of the roman culture.
Now, after joining the mailing-list, I would like to be integrated into
Nova Roma. What is to be done?

Thanks, Fred Schlichting

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Yahoo Groups E-mail Problems?
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Wed, 2 May 2001 18:19:30 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete omnes; et salve, Cato.

--- "A. Cato" <a.cato@--------> wrote:
> Salve: I am wondering if we are having a problem with a source at
> Yahoo Groups? I see that I am not the only one having problems, and
> other people at a coin collectors group list have also been having
> trouble and sending test messages.
> Vale, ... A. Cato, ... Rogator
>
>

Yes, I think we ARE experiencing problems. I guess this is what happens
when you rely too much on outer sources.

Now that we are moving towards a greater yearly income for the State
(due to citizens' taxes), we should start thinking about spending that
money in the technology that may allow us to be completely independent
from outer sources. I know it is a gigantic piece of work, but I think
it would be worth the effort.

=====
Bene Valete!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Civis romanus.

__________________________________________________
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] I´m_new_here...
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Wed, 2 May 2001 18:15:39 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete omnes; et salve, Fred.

--- fred schlichting <fred_schlichting@--------> wrote:
> Hello fellow roman citizens!
>
> I´m fascinated about the idea of a (virtual) rebirth of the roman
> culture.
> Now, after joining the mailing-list, I would like to be integrated
> into
> Nova Roma. What is to be done?
>
> Thanks, Fred Schlichting

Fred:
I think you should visit the Nova Roma website at www.novaroma.org .
In there, you will find a link that will introduce you to the
application process to become a citizen. Don't panic! It is pretty
simple (and fun, too) :-).

Besides, you might want to have a look at the web page for new citizens
designed by Consul Germanicus. You can find it at
www.goldenfuture.net/mediatlantica/whatnow/index.html

Romani Quirites:
I think that Fred's question is far too common. In my humble opinion,
the main web site shows some deficiencies towards new citizens like
Fred or myself. I think that the above link should be accessible from
the main page and should be placed in a highly visible place.

Besides, and although Germanicus' new citizens page is pretty good, I
think that some improvements could be done in the field of informing
prospective citizens. In that way, we could perhaps easily improve the
rate of active citizens.

Remember: information=knowledge=power ;-).

=====
Bene Valete!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Civis romanus.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Test
From:	"Robert Woolwine" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 02:25:10 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@c...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> > Sorry for this..but I am not getting hardly any posts at all
today....Could
> > someone respond to this so that I know my posts are getting to
the list.
>
> This problem apparently affected all of yahoogroups yesterday;
posts were
> very slow to arrive on this and other lists. Something I posted
yesterday
> morning took over an hour to be distributed.

Ave,

Its even worse than that...According to the archieves...there is like
20 posts already on the NR main list...I have only gotten about 5 of
them.

I have already sent an email to Yahoo...to find out what is wrong...I
have not gotten any response from them.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Provincial Newsletter (Vestal)
From:	mansker@--------
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 02:51:22 -0000

I'm sorry -

I was not sure which one it was. :)

Gaia
--- In novaroma@--------, trog99@h... wrote:
> Salvete Omnes:
> Just to clarify, regarding the two Lucillas... I was speaking of
> Lucilla Cornelia Cinna, with respect to the Musarum Contest, and
not
> Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata, who is the Vestal.
>
> As for our Vestal, I am not aware of the status of her to date,
> either.
>
> Bene valete,
> Pompeia Cornelia


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Test
From:	"Robert Woolwine" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 02:28:38 -0000


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] posting issues with the list
From:	Michel <loos@-------->
Date:	Wed, 02 May 2001 23:32:04 -0300

darkelf@-------- wrote:
>
> Yahoo Groups is having problems in general. Digests seem to
> be OK, but the individual posts are getting eaten by cyberbeasts.
> Or something.
>
> Cinnabari
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Salve,

I got NO post for over 2 weeks. For example.
I had to unsubscribe and subscribe again in order to receive some posts
(not sure if I get all posts)

Manius Villius Limitanus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Test, Please Reply
From:	oppiusflaccus@--------
Date:	Wed, 02 May 2001 18:12:42 -0000

Salvete Gnae Salix et Omnes;

Actually, some of us unfortunately are not
ok. In my case, I've completely lost the ability
to receive any messages from Yahoogroups at all.
This has been going on for almost three days.
Am trying to keep up with my multitude of lists
by use of the web interface, but that is cumbersome
especially for dealing with such a quantity of lists.

>From what I'm seeing so far, it looks that many
of the cives located outside of the US are experiencing
normal functionality. I know it's not my mail address
per se, because all of the other groups services that
I subscribe to work normally. Same goes for all my
personal e-mails. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

If it's just me, then I'll of course deal with it
the best I can. If it's still affecting many others
though, then perhaps a different groups service could be
considered. Topica (www.topica.com)comes to mind.

Bene valete,
Oppius

--- In novaroma@--------, Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> wrote:
> Salvete omnes.
>
> What's the problem? Why so many test posts? Are you all O.K.?
>
> --- "A. Cato" <a.cato@--------> wrote:
> > Salve: This is a test as I am having some sort of e-mail
difficulty.
> > If you receive this please reply.
> > Gratias tibi ago. A. Cato
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
> Bene Valete!
> Gnaeus Salix Astur.
> Civis romanus.
>
> __________________________________________________
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Subject:	[novaroma] Products & gratulatio
From:	Mark A Bird <mark_a_bird@-------->
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 12:56:43 +1000

I today received the Flags and stickers that I recently ordered - I juts
simply want to say this - they are bloody wonderful.

Thank you Senator Patricia Cassia for sending these to me and thanks to
everyone who was involved in this process. How do we get hold of those
coins ???

Vale

Marcus Sentius Claudius

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Where is our Vestal?
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Wed, 2 May 2001 23:31:25 EDT

Salve

Actually, the original inquiry seemed a bit rude to me as well. In fact I
was rather put off by seeing it and I wasn't even involved.

I trust it was sent innocently, but without any accompanying cues to
establish context, it read as inappropriately nosey and impolite.

Just another of those "email misunderstandings," I guess.

Vale,

L. Sergius Aust.

On 5/1/01 8:41 PM Mark A Bird (mark_a_bird@--------) wrote:

>What an odd response to the most innocent of enquiry...has she been buried
>alive ???
>
>Marcus Sentiius Claudius
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: SkaldElf@-------- [mailto:SkaldElf@--------]
>Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2001 9:27 Am
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Where is our Vestal?
>
>
>Ave,
>
>Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata is Priestess of Vesta here in Nova Roma.
>And
>that's all I will comment on without sounding too rude.
>
>Vale,
>Aeternia
>

certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.

(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Test
From:	Ira Adams <iadams@-------->
Date:	Wed, 2 May 2001 22:33:02 -0500

I don't get it (so to speak). I'm getting a normal flow of posts on the
list.

Valete,

L. Sergius Aust.

On 5/2/01 3:30 PM holyconelia@-------- (holyconelia@--------) wrote:

>I am posting from te Yahoogroups web site as not only am I not geting
>any email novaroma ( i get teh digest and the last two days I did not
>get any so i am reading and posting from the website GRRRRRRRRRRR
>Marcus Cornelius Felix
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- In novaroma@--------, "L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@e...>
>wrote:
>> Test
>>
>> Sorry for this..but I am not getting hardly any posts at all
>today....Could
>> someone respond to this so that I know my posts are getting to the
>list.
>>
>> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Sangria (was Taxes and non-US countries)
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 03:13:16 -0000

Gnaeus Salix wrote:
>
> >
> > Claudia Aucelia Calpurnia
>
>If you want to get some sangria, there is no need to barter. You just
>need some red wine (better Spanish), orange and lemon juice, oranges,
>sugar and cinnamon. You mix it all together in a large pot, you add the
>oranges in pieces, and there you have it: the modern Spanish version of
>ancient Roman spiced wine :-).
>
>Do not heat it, though ;-). It's actually better to put some ice on it.

Pompeia: Thanks for the info, amice, but how much of each ingredient, or am
I being too fastidious here?

Bene vale,
Pompeia
>
>
>=====
>Bene Valete!
>Gnaeus Salix Astur.
>Civis romanus.
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Test, Please Reply
From:	Ira Adams <iadams@-------->
Date:	Wed, 2 May 2001 22:33:01 -0500

Salve

**ALL** of your posts are arriving just fine. There have surely been
enough "tests" so far to have established statistical significance.

Is there some problem that is not apparent from this end?

Vale,

L. Sergius Aust.

On 5/1/01 6:58 PM A. Cato (a.cato@--------) wrote:

>Salve: This is a test as I am having some sort of e-mail difficulty. If
>you receive this please reply.
> Gratias tibi ago. A. Cato
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Test
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Wed, 2 May 2001 23:42:32 EDT

Oh no, not you too, Lucius Cornelius? That's more odd since we're both
using EarthLink. (I use EarthLink to access my AOL mail.)

As far as I can tell, I'm getting everybody's posts, including yours and
Cato's and Flaccus'.

Vale,

L. Sergius Aust.

On 5/2/01 12:33 AM L. Cornelius Sulla Felix (alexious@--------)
wrote:

>Test
>
>Sorry for this..but I am not getting hardly any posts at all today....Could
>someone respond to this so that I know my posts are getting to the list.
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>

certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.

(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)

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Subject:	[novaroma] Yahoo problem
From:	Piparskeggr Ullarsson <catamount_grange@-------->
Date:	Wed, 02 May 2001 23:41:30 -0500

Avete Omnes,

Yahoo had a problem with one or more of their outbound gateway servers.
Their in bound servers continued to work at normal load.
The resulting backlog of messages in the queue caused the posting results seen by many.

The delay is down to less than 3 hours now, closer to 1 1/2.
The backlog should be cleared up sometime Thursday.

--
===========================================
In Amicus sub Fidelis, Benedicte Omnes!
- Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
Cives, Paterfamilias Gens Ulleria
Quæstor, Legate, Dominus Sodalis
My homestead
http://www.geocities.com/piparskegg/index.html
Sodalis pro Coqueror et Coquus
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Yahoo Groups E-mail Problems?
From:	lsicinius@--------
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 04:13:16 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> wrote:
> Salvete omnes; et salve, Cato.
>
> --- "A. Cato" <a.cato@--------> wrote:
> > Salve: I am wondering if we are having a problem with a source at
> > Yahoo Groups? I see that I am not the only one having problems, and
> > other people at a coin collectors group list have also been having
> > trouble and sending test messages.
> > Vale, ... A. Cato, ... Rogator
> >
> >
>
> Yes, I think we ARE experiencing problems. I guess this is what happens
> when you rely too much on outer sources.
>
> Now that we are moving towards a greater yearly income for the State
> (due to citizens' taxes), we should start thinking about spending that
> money in the technology that may allow us to be completely independent
> from outer sources. I know it is a gigantic piece of work, but I think
> it would be worth the effort.
>
>

Salvete,

A BIG me too on this idea with some additions.

The Recent Problems with Yahoo are only one reason we need to control
our mailing lists.

This is a bad time. We have a vote comming up, and there is NO way of
knowing how many posts regarding the leges we are going to be voting
on have been lost.

Things could be worse. Yahoo is running this service at a loss to
promote the Yahoo portal. Times are hard for Web companies, and Yahoo
could decide to terminate or modify this service with little or no notice.

Because of the Slander and Copyright laws in various Macronations, we
need the ability to quickly comply with a request to remove a post to
avoid legal action against Nova Roma. Up to now we enjoyed one
protection against legal action. The Treasury is so small, that we
weren't worth the effort to sue. As Nova Roma continues to grow, and
the tax income starts comming in, we will lose our "Not worth the
trouble" status.

Moving the lists and archives will be a lot of work, but it dosen't
have to cost a lot of money. The most popular program for mail list
management is Majordomo a free program whos name is derived from
Latin. (Major Domus)
see http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/

The Free Software Foundation has Mailman, which has web based
subscribe and unscribe options.
see http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman.html

Both of these programs can be easily modified from the source code so
they can be adapted to meet Nova Roma's Needs.

Valete
Lucius Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Test
From:	"Robert Woolwine" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 05:31:14 -0000

Yep me too...if it wasnt for the archieves I would be getting no
email...execpt private correspondence. I have sent an email to
Yahoo...they said they are aware of the problem and are in progress
of fixing it..but they gave me no turn around time.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla

--- In novaroma@--------, LSergAust@a... wrote:
>
> Oh no, not you too, Lucius Cornelius? That's more odd since we're
both
> using EarthLink. (I use EarthLink to access my AOL mail.)
>
> As far as I can tell, I'm getting everybody's posts, including
yours and
> Cato's and Flaccus'.
>
> Vale,
>
> L. Sergius Aust.
>
>
> On 5/2/01 12:33 AM L. Corn--------s Sulla F-------- (al--------us@--------)
> wrote:
>
> >Test
> >
> >Sorry for this..but I am not getting hardly any posts at all
today....Could
> >someone respond to this so that I know my posts are getting to the
list.
> >
> >Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> >
>
>
> certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
>
> (You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: posting issues with the list
From:	oppiusflaccus@--------
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 04:16:17 -0000

Salvete Quiritibus;

I don't know if anyone will receive this-or if
so when, but to let everyone know that I've
formally mailed the Senate about this issue,
which as far as I'm concerned is an extremely
serious one. Have heard back from two members
of the Senate already and for that am most
grateful.

Unfortunately, since for some Yahoo still works great,
they are not able to necessarily see the severity
of the issue.

For others, we are getting little or no mail and
anything we post is not received or not posted
until 10 or 12 hours later.

For anyone else experiencing these difficulties,
please join my voice in the Senate petition to
formally change our venue to another group or
news server. I've suggested Topica (www.topica.com)
but please feel free to suggest any alternates
that you might be aware of.

Bene valete,
Oppius

--- In novaroma@--------, Michel <loos@u...> wrote:
> dark---------------- wrot--------font>
> >
> > Yahoo Groups is having problems in general. Digests seem to
> > be OK, but the individual posts are getting eaten by cyberbeasts.
> > Or something.
> >
> > Cinnabari
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
> Salve,
>
> I got NO post for over 2 weeks. For example.
> I had to unsubscribe and subscribe again in order to receive some
posts
> (not sure if I get all posts)
>
> Manius Villius Limitanus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Test
From:	oppiusflaccus@--------
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 04:24:39 -0000

Salve Luci Sergi;

Per a previous post, that's part of the difficulty.
For some, everything works normally. For others, we
get little or no functionality at all.

Bene vale,
Oppius

--- In novaroma@--------, Ira Adams <iadams@e...> wrote:
>
> I don't get it (so to speak). I'm getting a normal flow of posts on
the
> list.
>
> Valete,
>
> L. Sergius Aust.
>
> On 5/2/01 3:30 PM --------conelia@-------- (--------conelia@--------) wrote:
>
> >I am posting from te Yahoogroups web site as not only am I not
geting
> >any email novaroma ( i get teh digest and the last two days I did
not
> >get any so i am reading and posting from the website GRRRRRRRRRRR
> >Marcus Cornelius Felix
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In novaroma@--------, "L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@e...>
> >wrote:
> >> Test
> >>
> >> Sorry for this..but I am not getting hardly any posts at all
> >today....Could
> >> someone respond to this so that I know my posts are getting to
the
> >list.
> >>
> >> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> >


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Yahoo Groups E-mail Problems?
From:	oppiusflaccus@--------
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 04:22:54 -0000

Salvete Gnae Salix et Omnes;

I second this motion and will *GLADLY* put forth a few extra
$$ (within reason of course :-) and/or time, dedication
of hardware, etc. to establish a Nova Roma owned and
managed group/mail/chat server. Lucius Sicinus Drusus
and others have suggested potential platform venues
for this in the past as well. Now seems like a *great*
time to act on these suggestions. Safe, secure and reliable
communications are of paramount importance to *all*
of us.

Perhaps a team or task force can be assembled to
tackle the problem? Thoughts/comments?

Bene valete,
Oppius

--- In novaroma@--------, Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> wrote:
> Salvete omnes; et salve, Cato.
>
> --- "A. Cato" <a.cato@--------> wrote:
> > Salve: I am wondering if we are having a problem with a source at
> > Yahoo Groups? I see that I am not the only one having problems,
and
> > other people at a coin collectors group list have also been having
> > trouble and sending test messages.
> > Vale, ... A. Cato, ... Rogator
> >
> >
>
> Yes, I think we ARE experiencing problems. I guess this is what
happens
> when you rely too much on outer sources.
>
> Now that we are moving towards a greater yearly income for the State
> (due to citizens' taxes), we should start thinking about spending
that
> money in the technology that may allow us to be completely
independent
> from outer sources. I know it is a gigantic piece of work, but I
think
> it would be worth the effort.
>
>
> =====
> Bene Valete!
> Gnaeus Salix Astur.
> Civis romanus.
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
> http://auctions.yahoo.com/


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Where is our Vestal?
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 06:10:28 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, LSergAust@a... wrote:
>
> Salve
>
> Actually, the original inquiry seemed a bit rude to me as well. In
fact I
> was rather put off by seeing it and I wasn't even involved.
>
> I trust it was sent innocently, but without any accompanying cues to
> establish context, it read as inappropriately nosey and impolite.

Pompeia: Just my observations from this poster, here and on other
lists: English is obviously not his mother tongue, and, in these
tender situations, it is not as easy to word things as gingerly with a
second language, as it is with our birth language.

Just trying to look at things from both sides, giving the poster the
benefit of the doubt. (Innocent unless proven guilty)

Vale,
Pompeia
>
> Just another of those "email misunderstandings," I guess.
>
> Vale,
>
> L. Sergius Aust.
>
> On 5/1/01 8:41 PM Ma-------- Bi--------ma--------_bi--------...) w--------:
>
> >What an odd response to the most innocent of enquiry...has she been
buried
> >alive ???
> >
> >Marcus Sentiius Claudius
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Sk--------lf@-------- [m--------o:Sk--------lf@--------]
> >Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2001 9:27 Am
> >To: novaroma@--------
> >Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Where is our Vestal?
> >
> >
> >Ave,
> >
> >Prima Lucilla Cornelia Fortunata is Priestess of Vesta here in Nova
Roma.
> >And
> >that's all I will comment on without sounding too rude.
> >
> >Vale,
> >Aeternia
> >
>
>
> certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
>
> (You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)

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Subject:	[novaroma] List Woes
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 05:58:14 -0000

Salve Omnes:

AND........to boot.......

I am constantly having to "approve" the messages of Oppius Flaccus
Severus, as if he were either a new subscriber, or a "bad boy" who
tends to post naughtily.......neither of which is true.

Ironic, isn't it, that the bulk of his messages are of complaint of
yahoo services........now is this Yahoo acting up again or what???

Kidding, Oppi, kidding :) :)

Pompeia Cornelia,
Scriba Curatrix Sermonen


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: List Woes
From:	"Robert Woolwine" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 06:03:29 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, trog99@h... wrote:
> Salve Omnes:
>
> AND........to boot.......
>
> I am constantly having to "approve" the messages of Oppius Flaccus
> Severus, as if he were either a new subscriber, or a "bad boy" who
> tends to post naughtily.......neither of which is true.
>
> Ironic, isn't it, that the bulk of his messages are of complaint of
> yahoo services........now is this Yahoo acting up again or what???
>
> Kidding, Oppi, kidding :) :)
>
> Pompeia Cornelia,
> Scriba Curatrix Sermonen

Wow Oppius what have you done! LOL Geez..is Yahoo getting wierder or
is it just me.

On to another topic, Senator M. Octavius, could it be possible to
create our own listserv and have people add themselves directly from
the NR website? And could it be set up to individual specifications
like if people wanted to get individual emails, digests or to have
the ability to read it on the website?

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: List Woes
From:	oppiusflaccus@--------
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 06:08:40 -0000

Hey now...I didn't do it! :-) It isn't
just you, it's Yahoo. They're so busy asking
us in their commericials 'do you Yahoo?' that
they've forgotten to ask themselves the same :-)
Per some mail from Venator, it looks like the
problem may at least be partially resolved tomorrow,
but I'll have to wait and see it to believe it.

(Fortunately, I'm able to view some of the posts
on the archives. This post is being made via the
"web" interface.)

Bene vale,
Oppius

<snipped>

Wow Oppius what have you done! LOL Geez..is Yahoo getting wierder or
is it just me.

<snipped>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: List Woes
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 06:25:45 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, oppiusflaccus@-------- wrote:
> Hey now...I didn't do it! :-)
Pompeia: Well, now that I have just "approved" this message too, I
will respond to it. I "know" you didn't do anything, Oppius! In my
last response, I wrote........just kidding Oppi..maybe you didn't see
that part. It is just that Yahoo seems to be having alot of fun with
you right now, including putting you on moderated status for no
reason!!

I guess being the Musea of Thalia, I look for the humour in things :)
Blessings,
Pompeia

It isn't
> just you, it's Yahoo. They're so busy asking
> us in their commericials 'do you Yahoo?' that
> they've forgotten to ask themselves the same :-)
> Per some mail from Venator, it looks like the
> problem may at least be partially resolved tomorrow,
> but I'll have to wait and see it to believe it.
>
> (Fortunately, I'm able to view some of the posts
> on the archives. This post is being made via the
> "web" interface.)
>
> Bene vale,
> Oppius
>
> <snipped>
>
> Wow Oppius what have you done! LOL Geez..is Yahoo getting wierder
or
> is it just me.
>
>
> <snipped>


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Test
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 06:12:51 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, LSergAust@a... wrote:
>
> Oh no, not you too, Lucius Cornelius? That's more odd since we're
both
> using EarthLink. (I use EarthLink to access my AOL mail.)
>
> As far as I can tell, I'm getting everybody's posts, including yours
and
> Cato's and Flaccus'.
>
> Vale,
>
> L. Sergius Aust.

Pompeia: I too am receiving posts irratically from Yahoo, the past 48
hours. I am reading posts from the website.......AND, "approving"
posts from those who are not moderated.

Po
>
>
> On 5/2/01 12:33 AM L. Corn--------s Sulla F-------- (al--------us@--------)
> wrote:
>
> >Test
> >
> >Sorry for this..but I am not getting hardly any posts at all
today....Could
> >someone respond to this so that I know my posts are getting to the
list.
> >
> >Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> >
>
>
> certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
>
> (You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)


Subject:	[novaroma] Moderated Boys.......
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 06:47:27 -0000

Hmmmmmm..............(Pitch pipe)

Moderated boys, moderated boys, whatchagunna do........whatchagunna do
when Yahoo comes for you........?

Moderated boys, moderated boys, whatchagunna do........ whatchagunna
do when they come for you??

(sung to the tune of COPS.......seen on Fox TV )

More insane humour from Pompeia

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Moderated Boys.......
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 07:21:05 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, oppiusflaccus@-------- wrote:
> Curatrixmon give me no break, oh Yahoomon give me no
> break...not even da Senate no give me no break yaya...
> :-)

Another "approved" message........is this one sung to the lingo of Bob
Marley, maybe.?...........hey, has a nice ring to it, really :)
>
> Or, as grandmammy used to always say....all things
> in moderation... :-)

Oh, did she have an affinity for Apollo, too? Just wonderin'
Chuckles,
Po
>
>
> --- In novaroma@--------, trog99@h... wrote:
> > Hmmmmmm..............(Pitch pipe)
> >
> > Moderated boys, moderated boys, whatchagunna
do........whatchagunna
> do
> > when Yahoo comes for you........?
> >
> > Moderated boys, moderated boys, whatchagunna do........
> whatchagunna
> > do when they come for you??
> >
> > (sung to the tune of COPS.......seen on Fox TV )
> >
> > More insane humour from Pompeia

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Moderated Boys.......
From:	oppiusflaccus@--------
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 06:57:30 -0000

Curatrixmon give me no break, oh Yahoomon give me no
break...not even da Senate no give me no break yaya...
:-)

Or, as grandmammy used to always say....all things
in moderation... :-)

--- In novaroma@--------, trog99@h... wrote:
> Hmmmmmm..............(Pitch pipe)
>
> Moderated boys, moderated boys, whatchagunna do........whatchagunna
do
> when Yahoo comes for you........?
>
> Moderated boys, moderated boys, whatchagunna do........
whatchagunna
> do when they come for you??
>
> (sung to the tune of COPS.......seen on Fox TV )
>
> More insane humour from Pompeia


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: List Woes
From:	oppiusflaccus@--------
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 07:09:10 -0000

Salve mi Musaea;

-- In novaroma@--------, trog99@h... wrote:
> --- In novaroma@--------, oppiusflaccus@-------- wrote:
> > Hey now...I didn't do it! :-)
> Pompeia: Well, now that I have just "approved" this message too, I
> will respond to it. I "know" you didn't do anything, Oppius! In
my
> last response, I wrote........just kidding Oppi..maybe you didn't
see
> that part.

OFS: I did Po :-)(Thats'a a big grin) That's why I used me smiley
in the answer above. Was attempting an enthusiastic and humorous
answer.

Humor is just the ticket to deal with all the communication
issues of late and I commend you for it and appreciate it
greatly. (I need to make my smileys more obvious <G>)

Bene vale,
Oppius The Moderated :-)

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Subject:	[novaroma] PayPal
From:	gkbagne@--------
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 07:55:35 -0000

>From Decia Aula Lapella, To All Greetings!

I am sure anyone who has tried to clear up a mixup with PayPal will
back me up on this. PayPal is rather like the nursery rhyme about the
little girl with a curl- when its good, its very, very good but when
its bad.... Once I tried to trace a misdirected payment, first I
spent one hour and three minutes on hold trying to get through to a
human being on the phone. Then the help desk person told me he had no
individual e-mail address for me to contact him again, I'd have to
fax. When I explained I didn't have access to a fax machine he
suggested I could pay to send faxes through Kinkos, which turned out
to be a very expensive proposition, considering we had to go through
several exchanges. This was last spring, perhaps things have
improved. If somebody has had better luck with their problem
handeling abilities, it would be reassuring to hear about it before
we get involved with PayPal.
Be Well (imperative!)

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Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem V Nonas Maias (May 3rd)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 11:11:12 +0100

Salvete omnes

This is a dies comitiales (C), when committees of citizens can vote on
political or criminal matters.

This is the last day of the Floralia, and Games take place at the Circus
Maximus. Kids and hares are hunted at the Circus Maximus prior to the
Games.

Valete bene in Pace Deorum

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Test, Please Reply
From:	Krysialtemus@--------
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 08:17:36 EDT


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: List Woes
From:	Kristoffer From <kristoffer.from@-------->
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 14:27:48 +0200

Robert Woolwine wrote:
> On to another topic, Senator M. Octavius, could it be possible to
> create our own listserv and have people add themselves directly from
> the NR website? And could it be set up to individual specifications
> like if people wanted to get individual emails, digests or to have
> the ability to read it on the website?

Salve, Luci Corneli Sulla Felix.

Being somewhat involved, I'd just like to say that a basic mailing-list
is not a problem. One address, that you can mail to, which will forward
your mail to all in a list file. Easy as creating a file and editing it,
on a server properly configured. Being able to perform more advanced
functions, especially via the website, might take considerably more time
and effort. It is, of course, possible. Most things are. It's just a
matter of how much you're willing to devote yourself to attaining your
objective.

A relatively simple solution, in my opinion, would be such a basic list,
which forwards all mail to, for example, yahoo, for continued archive
services, and such...please inform me why this is a bad idea...:)

Vale,

Titus Octavius Pius,
Consiliarius Thules,
Praeco Anarei Thules,
Scriba to the Curator Araneum

AKA Kristoffer From

---

Si hoc signum legere potes,
operis boni in rebus latinis alacribus
et fructuosis potiri potes.

- Not-so-famous quotation

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Subject:	[novaroma] Yahoo Problems / Senate
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 08:46:45 -0400 (EDT)

Citizens of Nova Roma;

It would seem that, as has been said many times and many ways in the
last few days, some of you are experienceing some problems. For myself,
I have experienced little difficulty that I detect, although I do not
rely to such a degree upon this medium for all communication as perhaps
Censor Sulla and others.

There has been an explanation on the list from Venator of the prevading
difficulty and that the problem may be righting itself. Certainly in a
mechanical world, mechanical things fail, and his explanation of the
time it takes to restore normal flow of messages sounds reasonable to
me.

There has been a call on this list to consider shifting the server or
some such, but I have heard no response from Senator Octavious who has
charge of the website and who has in the past has had good advice to
give in this area.

There has further been a call for the Senate to respond to this
communication emergency for some--a tempest in a teapot for others. I
am not sure at this point what the Senate would be willng to do without
the advice of Senator Octavious, so I would ask that he consider
responding to those Citizens having problems, as he may, either On List
or personnally.

Finally, as Senate Respondorum, I should be happy to place before the
Senate any coherent request for thier action. However, I am
nortoriously opposed to "techy talk" first because I don't understand
it, and secondly because I find usually those people who engage in it,
excessively, do not know much more than I do, the difference is they are
loathe to admit it. (Grin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Therefore, I should be pleased to place before the Senate, any
reasonalble request in regard to this communication situation couched in
clear non-technical terminology, upon reciept of comment from Senator
Octavious. Once placed before the Senate, the Senate will deliberate
upon whether to place the measure on the Senate Agenda for the next
Senate Call. The reason for the necessity of a clear and specific
request, is that what you are requesing is the review of the question,
not a blind agreement with a hasty assumption. The Senate will discuss
the proposal from all angles and some very clever and intelligent people
(myself excluded--I just cause dscussions--Grin!!!!!) will be looking at
the proposal from many different views and questioning the necessity
from various standpoints. That is what the Senate does.

Respectfully;
Marcus Audens

The above is my view of how the Senate operates from my experience as
Senator and Consul. My views reflect only my experience and have no
additional purpose except to notify the Citizens of this Micronation of
the normal procedures that may be used to reach the Senate, and what can
be expected when that is accomplished. All opposing views are welcomed
for what value that will provide to the above Citizens.

MMA

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Upcoming CPoT Vote
From:	Kristoffer From <kristoffer.from@-------->
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 14:50:44 +0200

Vale, Luci Tiberi Sardonice.

Point-by-point responses:

Lucius Tiberius Sardonicus wrote:
> LTS: By refusing to pay taxes as a way of protest, such a person
> would place the financial burden of Nova Roma on the shoulders of
> people who do pay taxes.

Yes. But he would follow his conscience, and not expect them either to
pay taxes. For instance, this person could be someone who's been a
citizen for some time, and believes it should remain a strictly
non-profit organization, without any taxation whatsoever. What he does
is ethically correct, as long as he is open about it, and does not
resort to tax evasion, or attempting to get others to pay his taxes for
him.

Lucius Tiberius Sardonicus wrote:
> LTS: If someone cannot afford to pay taxes, why put that person in
> the unenviable position of requiring other people to finance the
> expenses associated with holding an office?

If there are expenses beyond the officials possibility to cover, he
should refrain from applying in the first place. If he's clearly unable
to hold office, no matter the cause, he should be removed from office,
and all his ties to it stricken from the records. I doubt anyone will
get this possibility twice, after having failed the second. And if my
proposed modification of III.C. holds, his "sponsor" would also receive
a significant decrease in dignitas. This should cause all potential
sponsors to consider their actions, before supporting a given candidate.

Lucius Tiberius Sardonicus wrote:
> LTS: You put a suprising twist on the suggestion that support for
> candidacy of one of the Capiti Censi would include monetary
> sponsorship in order to pay any required taxes. I fail to see how
> that is manipulation.

As stated, if I didn't pay taxes as a way of protest, I wouldn't want
others to pay for me. If I was poor, I probably wouldn't want "alms"
from my wealthier friends, and wouldn't much appreciate even the offer.
Remaining category: Those who are simply looking for a way of avoiding
paying taxes they recognize as fair. These would support a monetary
sponsorship. Would you like this type of person holding an office,
perhaps as tax collector? I wouldn't.

I skipped your last response, as I think I've already answered most of
the concerns therein in this posting. I'd like you to consider, however,
what you would think of having to beg others for money in order to stand
for office. Would you be able to bring yourself to do that, even if you
knew that you would be perfect for that office? I can't say myself, not
having been in that position, but I don't think I could.

Vale,

Titus Octavius Pius,
Consiliarius Thules,
Praeco Anarei Thules,
Scriba to the Curator Araneum

AKA Kristoffer From

---

Si hoc signum legere potes,
operis boni in rebus latinis alacribus
et fructuosis potiri potes.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Where is our Vestal?
From:	VMoeller@--------
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 09:53:04 EDT

Ave Aeternia:

I received your email and had every intention of attending yesterday
but I was called to an impromptu staff meeting that lasted until 4:30 our
time here!!! Do you believe that? As if I have nothing better to do than sit
in meetings. I'm sorry I missed you. I'll get on tonight and see if you're
there. Take care!!!

Bene Vale : ) : )

---Secunda


Subject:	[novaroma] Dacian Wars Question
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Jerry=20Anguston?= <gaiussentius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 23:56:26 +1000 (EST)

Salvete Omnes,

I know I posted this before, but since I got so little
reply, I hoped that if I posted it again it might be
better responded to.

Can anyone tell me the dates and places of battles
during the Dacian Wars?

Also, can anyone tell me the approximate proportion of
the Dacian forces that were made up of Sarmatian
allies?

Thanks for any help you can give me,

Valete bene omnes,

Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura

Legatus Australia Medius

_____________________________________________________________________________
http://store.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Store
- It's time you had your business online!


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Yahoo Groups E-mail Problems?
From:	margali <margali@-------->
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 11:18:18 -0400

I do remember at one time that the average person could run a
server with nothing more than a dedicated phone line, a modem
running 14.4 and a pentium 90.

I assume that this is out of the question now?

Heck, for that matter, I have a spare amiga floating around that
I would be willing to run as a server, alternately if my plans to
get a new computer come through, I could use my current one [with
my spare 10 gig HD added in] if NR was willing to put up the $100
US/month for the dedicated dial up to my current service. [I
don't consider using my household account honorable as it is not
a 7/24/365, just a normal account.] This would give us an AMD
450mH pentium with 64 meg ram, 20 meg HD space and its own 56 kB
modem churning away in a corner of my room. ;-) I would assume
that I could get the domain name changed over to the NR server
linkup fairly easily;-)

-margali
Hyapatia Asinia
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Quote Starts Here:
In re: consideration of running our own server.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: List Woes
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 10:30:42 -0500 (CDT)

> On to another topic, Senator M. Octavius, could it be possible to
> create our own listserv and have people add themselves directly from
> the NR website? And could it be set up to individual specifications
> like if people wanted to get individual emails, digests or to have
> the ability to read it on the website?

I could set up something like majordomo to provide basic list
functionality. However, this would be much less featurefull than what
Yahoo offers - it would not have archives, or the ability to read
and post from a website, or automatic bounce handling; there would
be much work involved both by me and the Curatrix Sermonis to manage
the list and the list software.

Egroups' list manager is extremely powerful. It has a full-featured
web front-end by which a subscribe can do anything that could be
done by mail. It has automatic handling of bouncing mail - with
most list management software, bad email addresses resulting in
nondelivery error messages go to the list owner, who must then
manually remove the addresses from the list; Yahoo handles this
automatically.

Running mailing lists would also be a significant resource drain
on the server -- and on both Curators!

Unless Yahoo goes away completely, or the service is so poor as to
be unusable for an extended period of time, or their policies on
ownership of the content get much worse than they are, we should
continue to use them.

I have preserved archives of almost all of the 20,000 + messages that
have been posted to the main list since it began (occupying about 55 MB),
in order to preserve our history in the event that that server goes
away.

Vale, O.

---
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneum et Senator

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Test, Please Reply
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 09:23:51 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete omnes; et salve, Oppie.

--- oppiusflaccus@-------- wrote:
> Salvete Gnae Salix et Omnes;
>
> Actually, some of us unfortunately are not
> ok. In my case, I've completely lost the ability
> to receive any messages from Yahoogroups at all.
> This has been going on for almost three days.
> Am trying to keep up with my multitude of lists
> by use of the web interface, but that is cumbersome
> especially for dealing with such a quantity of lists.

Sorry to hear that. I hope the problems will be solved soon.

>
> From what I'm seeing so far, it looks that many
> of the cives located outside of the US are experiencing
> normal functionality. I know it's not my mail address
> per se, because all of the other groups services that
> I subscribe to work normally. Same goes for all my
> personal e-mails. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

I have experienced some delay, but I think that no message has been
lost. I am not completely sure, though.

>
> If it's just me, then I'll of course deal with it
> the best I can. If it's still affecting many others
> though, then perhaps a different groups service could be
> considered. Topica (www.topica.com)comes to mind.

Since many citizens have posted several test messages, I guess this is
a widespread situation. Probably yahoogroups is to blame.

BTW, I would like to repeat my suggestion. Since we are going to get
new funds, shouldn't we think about increasing the services provided by
the Nova Roma server to include the management of the various mail
lists? Is this even possible?

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Test
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 12:32:14 EDT

Salve

I am bewildered to find that many of us expect to see our posts instantly
appear here. There have always been variable delays in email. A delay of
an hour or two is not remarkable in my experience. A delay of a day is
relatively uncommon but no cause for alarm. With the proliferation of Web
advertising and amateur pages cloning commercial porn sites, it can only
become more common for our signals to be slowed down.

I am not saying that there isn't some further problem here lately - -
only that to expect the mail to always arrive within minutes or seconds
isn't realistic.

Vale,

L. Sergius Aust.

On 5/2/01 5:59 PM A. Cato (a.cato@--------) wrote:

>Salve: The problem affecting Yahoo Groups yesterday appears to be
>continuing today. Some of us seem to be having a continuing problem sending
>E-mails to the lists and receiving E-mail in return. I wouldn't be surprised
>to see it take two hours for this return message to get posted. I'll see if
>I can find any notices of a problem on the main Yahoo site, and the Groups
>site.
> Vale, ... A. Cato, ... Rogator

certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.

(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Sangria (was Taxes and non-US countries)
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 09:37:28 -0700 (PDT)

--- Pompeia Cornelia <scriba_forum@--------> wrote:
>
>
> Gnaeus Salix wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Claudia Aucelia Calpurnia
> >
> >If you want to get some sangria, there is no need to barter. You
> just
> >need some red wine (better Spanish), orange and lemon juice,
> oranges,
> >sugar and cinnamon. You mix it all together in a large pot, you add
> the
> >oranges in pieces, and there you have it: the modern Spanish version
> of
> >ancient Roman spiced wine :-).
> >
> >Do not heat it, though ;-). It's actually better to put some ice on
> it.
>
> Pompeia: Thanks for the info, amice, but how much of each
> ingredient, or am
> I being too fastidious here?
>
> Bene vale,
> Pompeia

The quantities of each ingredient is a matter of personal taste. Beware
of using too much cinnamon, though.

If you want it to be strong (and you have a medium quality wine), then
wine should be the major ingredient. If you want it to be soft (or you
have a horrible wine), then add more fruit juice. If you have a
wonderful wine, don't spoil it with sangria ;-).

Same applies with sugar and pieces of fruit (no need to peel them; just
wash them and cut them into pieces).

It is always a pleasure to advertise the traditional gastronomical
elements of my home nation ;-).

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Subject:	[novaroma] Recent List Issues
From:	"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@-------->
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 12:42:19 -0400

Salve,

I must say I was quite surprised to see the number of posts regarding the
recent problems with Yahoogroups. True, it is frustrating for all of us
when we have delays in seeing our mail, but this is the first trouble we
have had with the service and.......as someone else already pointed
out......you do get what you pay for. ;)

Seriously, while I sympathize with everyone (and have had delays myself in
the past day or so), I do think calls for a new server are unwarranted.
Yahoo provides many features that are convenient and useful, and to re-do
our entire mailing system due to a slight delay in yahoo seems an over
reaction. Now, if delays and such become more common I would of course
support looking for alternatives. Until then, however, it seems extreme to
toss our entire system due to a slight problem.

As for Oppius' moderated status, there is an explanation for that. :)
According to my records he unsubscribed from the list and then resubscribed.
I would hazard a guess that he did so thinking that would solve his e-mail
problems. The problem there is that *all* new subscribers are automatically
moderated. The system has no way of knowing that he was the same person
coming back, so it placed him on moderated status. As soon as I saw it I
removed him from moderation, but rest assured the situation was not caused
by Yahoo, but by his decision to unsub and resub. The good news is he is
all set and no harm was done, but there you have the explanation. :)

In closing, let me thank those of you who contacted me privately to inquire
about the list problems. It was nice to be able to address specific
concerns. I don't mean to criticize anyone in particular, but going forward
it might be easier for members to contact me (or my scribes) as opposed to
posting several test messages. Chances are if one test message does not
solve your problem, talking to me might. Just a suggestion. I now return
you to your regularly scheduled (and working fine we hope!!) mailing list.

:) Priscilla Vedia Serena
Curatrix Sermonis


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Yahoo Groups E-mail Problems?
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 09:50:46 -0700 (PDT)

--- oppiusflaccus@-------- wrote:
> Salvete Gnae Salix et Omnes;
>
> I second this motion and will *GLADLY* put forth a few extra
> $$ (within reason of course :-) and/or time, dedication
> of hardware, etc. to establish a Nova Roma owned and
> managed group/mail/chat server. Lucius Sicinus Drusus
> and others have suggested potential platform venues
> for this in the past as well. Now seems like a *great*
> time to act on these suggestions. Safe, secure and reliable
> communications are of paramount importance to *all*
> of us.
>
> Perhaps a team or task force can be assembled to
> tackle the problem? Thoughts/comments?
>
> Bene valete,
> Oppius
>

Salvete omnes; et salve, Flacce.

I agree completely both with the suggestions of Drusus about possible
platforms and with your suggestion of task forces to undertake the
reform.

I think that this could also allow a reform of the general distribution
of information on the web site, to make it more accessible and
omprehensible to new and old cives alike.

I would love to join such a task group. I am a little busy at the
moment, organizing Provincia Hispania and into other projects within
Nova Roma (not to mention my exams), but once a definited agenda of
what needs to be done has been established, I will be happy to
contribute to the limits of my strengths.

I really think this project would represent a major contribution to
Nova Roma's growth, by providing her independence from the instability
of internet companies.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Moderated Boys.......
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 09:59:25 -0700 (PDT)

I wish I was in the land of Yahoo
Ol' days there are not forgiven
Look Away! Look Away! Look Away!
Yahooland

In Yahooland where I was lost
On one frosty morning
Look Away! Look Away! Look Away!
Yahooland

Then I wish I was in Yahoo
Hurray! Hurray
In Yahooland I'll lose my stamp
To try to post in Yahoo...

Just wanted to make my humble contribution to this sing-a-song
fever :-P.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Test Message, Please reply
From:	Calpurnia <darta_arelia@-------->
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 10:04:52 -0700 (PDT)

I don't know if you want the reply to you or the list.
But here's a reply to both.

Vale,
Claudia Aucelia Calpurnia
--- "A. Cato" <a.cato@--------> wrote:
> Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato novaromanis S.P.D.
>
> This is a test message. Could someone please
> reply if this makes it to the list? I seem to be
> having some kind of a problem with messages.
> Gratias tibi ago. A. Cato, ... Rogator.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Upcoming CPoT Vote
From:	"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 19:42:29 +0200

Salve Luci Tiberi,

> > Regarding the taxation, I must agree with Titus Octavius. Not being
> able to
> > pay taxes doesn't mean not being able to serve Nova Roma in the
> capacity of
> > an office (excluding perhaps Curator Aeraenum (sp?) or Censor, that
> seem
> > very expensive offices). I would hate to see this become a money-
> centered
> > society. For me, putting people who aren't willing to pay in the
> 5th century
> > is enough.
>
> There are at least two cases at issue, true. People that can't
> afford to pay and people that refuse to pay for whatever reason.
> Without the ability to perform an audit of each citizen's finances,
> there is no fair way to differentiate between the two.
>

You hit something essential here, I think. That may be another reason why
I'm opposed to taxation in its current form. Fraud is easy; everyone can say
"I'm unemployed" and things like that, without means of checking it. I
suppose though that a provincial legatus or praetor could check on the
status of that person, so that should cover most cases of people who say
they can't pay.

(snipped)

> My response to you in this matter, is that you will get things in
> exchange for your taxes. There are many Citizens of Nova Roma
> performing services that benefit you now, at no cost to yourself.
> Someone is paying for them.
>

I agree with you that things like server costs and sponsoring of Roman
events and excavations, and such, are reasons enough to ask something from
the citizens. The main emphasis, as stated elsewhere, is yet on
controllability.

Another point you make is that citizens, no matter what abilities they may
possess, still have to be financially able to hold an office (or they should
be sponsored), and while I won't disagree with you regarding the offices of
Censor, Webmaster or even Consul and provincial Praetor, I daresay that
offices such as Rogator, Tribunus, Aedilis et al aren't expensive at all.
All they cost is time, engagement and some minor costs that are
internet-related.

Vale bene!
Draco


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Dacian Wars Question
From:	"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 19:33:25 +0200

Salve Sura!

All I know about the Dacian Wars is that both Traianus and Hadrianus have
been involved in them, and that they were among the most bloody genocides
the Romans ever committed. Even today, Dacia is known as Rumania, the
language spoken there is a language derived from Latin, and not the Slavic
language you'd expect from a country that lies in Eastern Europe.

But, frankly said, I too am intrested in this topic, and would like to see
your questions answered! :)

Vale bene,
Draco


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Upcoming CPoT Vote
From:	"Lucius Tiberius Sardonicus" <TSardonicus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 18:28:32 -0000

Salve,

--- In novaroma@--------, Kristoffer From <kristoffer.from@t...> wrote:
> Yes. But he would follow his conscience, and not expect them either
to
> pay taxes.

<snip>

> If there are expenses beyond the officials possibility to cover, he
> should refrain from applying in the first place. If he's clearly
unable
> to hold office, no matter the cause, he should be removed from
office,

<snip>

> As stated, if I didn't pay taxes as a way of protest, I wouldn't
want
> others to pay for me.

<snip>

> I'd like you to consider, however,
> what you would think of having to beg others for money in order to
stand
> for office.

May apologies for butchering your post, but I didn't see a need to
include the entire text of our debate so far. It is all in the
archives to provide context for anyone wishing to read. At the same
time, I feel that we have gotten off topic, which was, the upcoming
vote and the Lex Vedia Assidui et Capiti Censi.

I understand your points regarding the inability vice the refusal to
pay taxes, if instituted. I understand your points regarding
Dignitas and asking others to "pay your way".

Back to the original topic, I wish to point out why I believe the
proposed Lex is fine the way it is written.

1. It differentiates between those who pay taxes and those who
don't.
2. It does not attempt to differentiate between those who cannot
and those who will not pay taxes. There is no mechanism in place to
make that determination and it is, at this point, beyond our means to
implement such a mechanism.
3. It allows those who are willing and able to pay taxes to hold
elected and appointed offices.
4. It does not make payment of "dues" or taxes a prerequisite
for Citizenship.
5. It does not prohibit non-taxpayers from holding any office,
just those in the central Nova Roman Government.
6. It holds the right to vote in the Comitia inviolable. Hence,
even those who cannot or will not pay taxes still retain the right to
assist in deciding the course of Nova Roma.

Tite Octavi, I respect your views and I appreciate the Dignitas you
have displayed in our exchange.

Vale,
LTS

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Sangria (was Taxes and non-US countries)
From:	Michel Loos <loos@-------->
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 15:56:22 -0300

Gnaeus Salix Astur wrote:
>
> --- Pompeia Cornelia <scriba_forum@--------> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Gnaeus Salix wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Claudia Aucelia Calpurnia
> > >
> > >If you want to get some sangria, there is no need to barter. You
> > just
> > >need some red wine (better Spanish), orange and lemon juice,
> > oranges,
> > >sugar and cinnamon. You mix it all together in a large pot, you add
> > the
> > >oranges in pieces, and there you have it: the modern Spanish version
> > of
> > >ancient Roman spiced wine :-).
> > >
> > >Do not heat it, though ;-). It's actually better to put some ice on
> > it.
> >
> > Pompeia: Thanks for the info, amice, but how much of each
> > ingredient, or am
> > I being too fastidious here?
> >
> > Bene vale,
> > Pompeia
>
> The quantities of each ingredient is a matter of personal taste. Beware
> of using too much cinnamon, though.
>
> If you want it to be strong (and you have a medium quality wine), then
> wine should be the major ingredient. If you want it to be soft (or you
> have a horrible wine), then add more fruit juice. If you have a
> wonderful wine, don't spoil it with sangria ;-).
>
> Same applies with sugar and pieces of fruit (no need to peel them; just
> wash them and cut them into pieces).
>
> It is always a pleasure to advertise the traditional gastronomical
> elements of my home nation ;-).
>

Just a little note: yellow lemons/ lemon juice are needed (very hard to
find here down)
the green version totally spoils the original taste.

Manius Villius Limitanus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Topica
From:	<domusludus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 13:14:46 -0000

Salvete

I was forced to destroy several lists when the Yahoo Yahoo's took over eGroups. The Sodalis Familiaris email list is now with Topica as well as a couple of other lists. It is the way to go, unless there is a desire from someone to run this and other NR lists on a private server.

Pax vobiscum,
Seia Silvania Atia

Founder: Sodalis Familiaris http://home.earthlink.net/~domusludus/
http://www.crosswinds.net/~domusludus/

http://home.earthlink.net/~domusludus/temple/
http://www.crosswinds.net/~domusludus/temple/

>
>Message: 22
> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 04:16:17 -0000
> From: oppiusflaccus@--------
>Subject: Re: posting issues with the list
>
>Salvete Quiritibus;
>
>I don't know if anyone will receive this-or if
>so when, but to let everyone know that I've
>formally mailed the Senate about this issue,
>which as far as I'm concerned is an extremely
>serious one. Have heard back from two members
>of the Senate already and for that am most
>grateful.
>
>Unfortunately, since for some Yahoo still works great,
>they are not able to necessarily see the severity
>of the issue.
>
>For others, we are getting little or no mail and
>anything we post is not received or not posted
>until 10 or 12 hours later.
>
>For anyone else experiencing these difficulties,
>please join my voice in the Senate petition to
>formally change our venue to another group or
>news server. I've suggested Topica (www.topica.com)
>but please feel free to suggest any alternates
>that you might be aware of.
>
>Bene valete,
>Oppius
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Test, Please Reply
From:	ObsidianBat@--------
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 15:07:28 EDT

Salve,
Yes I have recieved your mail

Decimus Meridius Laevinus


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Moderated Boys.......
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 19:30:58 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> wrote:
> I wish I was in the land of Yahoo
> Ol' days there are not forgiven
> Look Away! Look Away! Look Away!
> Yahooland
>
> In Yahooland where I was lost
> On one frosty morning
> Look Away! Look Away! Look Away!
> Yahooland
>
> Then I wish I was in Yahoo
> Hurray! Hurray
> In Yahooland I'll lose my stamp
> To try to post in Yahoo...
>
> Just wanted to make my humble contribution to this sing-a-song
> fever :-P.

(((((((((((Bravo!!! Encore! Encore!))))))))))))
.......Play it again, Sal......!! :)
>
>
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> Gnaeus Salix Astur.
> Civis romanus.
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Dacian Wars Question
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 12:44:49 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete omnes; et salve, Sura.

Dacia corresponded to the modern Romanian provinces of Oltenia and
Transilvania. It was conquered by Emperor Traianus in 106 CE
(DCCCLIX A.U.C.), after a long and hard campaign.

The reasons for this campaig laid in the numerous raids that Dacians
(tribes of Celtic stock) made across the Danube, into the Roman Empire.
It was, initially, a punishment campaign, but it became a conquest war.

Dacia was fully romanized, and when Emperor Aurelianus evacuated the
Provincia (271 CE), many dacoroman peasants stayed there. From their
fusion with slavic peoples was formed the Romanian people.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Test Message, Please reply
From:	VMoeller@--------
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 15:48:08 EDT

Ave Cato!

I received your message in good order - there was no difficulty.

Vale,

---Secunda Cornelia Valeria

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] =?iso-8859-1?Q?I=B4m?= new here...
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 21:52:10 +0200

>Hello fellow roman citizens!
>
>I´m fascinated about the idea of a (virtual) rebirth of the roman culture.
>Now, after joining the mailing-list, I would like to be integrated into
>Nova Roma. What is to be done?
>
>Thanks, Fred Schlichting

Salve!

My advise is to start with looking into our Album Genitim to find a good
family to join. When You have found a prenomen, nomen and cog-nomen (there
a lists of these). Next step is to seek citizenship! Then You can come back
and ask for the Senior Consul's advise for new citizens.

Good Luck!

Vale

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Sangria (was Taxes and non-US countries)
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 12:50:19 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete omnes; et salve, Limitane.

> Just a little note: yellow lemons/ lemon juice are needed (very hard
> to
> find here down)
> the green version totally spoils the original taste.
>
> Manius Villius Limitanus

Of course you need yellow lemon juice. In Spain you can't find any
other kind of lemons. I didn't know that there were green lemons until
you mentioned it.

Thank you for your clarification. I was not aware of that problem.

BTW, and just to give some hints about quantities, when I make sangria
(for wild party purposes; i.e., very often) I tend to calculate two or
three litres of wine per person. But beware; don't blame me if all your
guests end up sleeping in your floor. You have to be Spanish to endure
that ;-).

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Dacian Wars Question
From:	labienus@--------
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 15:02:43 US/Central

Salvete

> Dacia corresponded to the modern Romanian provinces of Oltenia and
> Transilvania. It was conquered by Emperor Traianus in 106 CE
> (DCCCLIX A.U.C.), after a long and hard campaign.

Two campaigns, actually. One from 101-102, and the other from 105-106. Both
were fought against the forces of the Dacian king, Decebalus, who committed
suicide at the end of the second campaign. The campaigns are the subject of
the relief on Trajan's Column.

This isn't the kind of specific information that was asked for, though, and I
don't know the dates of individual battles or how many Sarmatians fought in
them. There are a few books listed on Amazon.com's site that deal with M
Ulpius Traianus' Dacian campaigns, and one of them might be helpful.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Dacian Wars Question
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 13:59:18 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete omnes.
--- labienus@-------- wrote:
> Salvete
>
> > Dacia corresponded to the modern Romanian provinces of Oltenia and
> > Transilvania. It was conquered by Emperor Traianus in 106 CE
> > (DCCCLIX A.U.C.), after a long and hard campaign.
>
> Two campaigns, actually. One from 101-102, and the other from
> 105-106. Both
> were fought against the forces of the Dacian king, Decebalus, who
> committed
> suicide at the end of the second campaign. The campaigns are the
> subject of
> the relief on Trajan's Column.

In fact, I read somewhere that Decebalus 'tried' to commit suicide, but
was captured first by a Roman cavalry soldier. Has anyone read the same
thing?

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Civis romanus.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Topica
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 14:35:46 -0700 (PDT)

--- domusludus@-------- wrote:
> Salvete
>
> I was forced to destroy several lists when the Yahoo Yahoo's took
> over eGroups. The Sodalis Familiaris email list is now with Topica
> as well as a couple of other lists. It is the way to go, unless
> there is a desire from someone to run this and other NR lists on a
> private server.
>
>
> Pax vobiscum,
> Seia Silvania Atia
>
> Founder: Sodalis Familiaris http://home.earthlink.net/~domusludus/
> http://www.crosswinds.net/~domusludus/
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~domusludus/temple/
> http://www.crosswinds.net/~domusludus/temple/
>

Salvete omnes!

I wonder why these sites are not linked from the Nova Roma web site...

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Subject:	[novaroma] (no subject)
From:	TSardonicus@--------
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 18:25:05 EDT

Salvete,

Perhaps someone from the Sodalitas Militarium list would be better able to
answer this question. Everything I know on the subject and quite a bit more
has already been posted to the main list. Not everyone is on both lists, and
I apologize to those of you who are and get two copies of this post.

Now you have me reading up on the Dacians and Thracians :)

Vale
Lucius Tiberius Sardonicus

--- In novaroma@--------, Jerr--------guston <gaiussentius@--------> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I know I posted this before, but since I got so little
> reply, I hoped that if I posted it again it might be
> better responded to.
>
> Can anyone tell me the dates and places of battles
> during the Dacian Wars?
>
> Also, can anyone tell me the approximate proportion of
> the Dacian forces that were made up of Sarmatian
> allies?
>
> Thanks for any help you can give me,
>
> Valete bene omnes,
>
> Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Upcoming CPoT Vote
From:	Kristoffer From <kristoffer.from@-------->
Date:	Fri, 04 May 2001 00:56:01 +0200

Lucius Tiberius Sardonicus wrote:
> I wish to point out why I believe the proposed Lex is fine the way
> it is written.
>
> 1. It differentiates between those who pay taxes and those who
> don't.
> 2. It does not attempt to differentiate between those who cannot
> and those who will not pay taxes. There is no mechanism in place to
> make that determination and it is, at this point, beyond our means to
> implement such a mechanism.
> 3. It allows those who are willing and able to pay taxes to hold
> elected and appointed offices.
> 4. It does not make payment of "dues" or taxes a prerequisite
> for Citizenship.
> 5. It does not prohibit non-taxpayers from holding any office,
> just those in the central Nova Roman Government.
> 6. It holds the right to vote in the Comitia inviolable. Hence,
> even those who cannot or will not pay taxes still retain the right to
> assist in deciding the course of Nova Roma.

Salve, Luci Tiberi Sardonice.

First, I must say you've been a most eloquent opponent in our debate,
and thank you for your kind words regarding my own performance in it.

Second, no apology is necessary for the "butchering" of my post. As you
can see above, I employ the same techniques myself, and ask for your
forgiveness if this has caused any offense.

Now, back to business.

The first four as well as the final of your points would apply to my
modification of the proposal as well as the original proposal. The only
point of concern is thus the fifth, as in my proposal the last part
would be altered to: "It does not prohibit non-taxpayers from holding
any office, provided they are supported by an appointed official." With
this phrasing, I would agree with all points. Since all my posts, and
your responses to them, have been on this matter, we can perhaps agree
to disagree. I'm pretty certain all involved in the matter have
understood what the two of us are trying to say, and most likely made
their minds up on this matter now. I've stated my opinion, and motivated
it, and you've done likewise with yours. If you'd like to continue this
debate, we should perhaps do so off the main list, since I doubt any
more on this subject would be of interest to most listening there.

The only thing remaining for the main list, would be some sort of
response from the legislating official in question. Consul Vedius, any
thoughts on my proposed modification of your lex? In private, if you'd
like to keep it off the main list?

Vale,

Titus Octavius Pius,
Consiliarius Thules,
Praeco Anarei Thules,
Scriba to the Curator Araneum

AKA Kristoffer From

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Subject:	[novaroma] Reenactment
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Thu, 3 May 2001 19:01:48 -0400 (EDT)

Nova Roma Citizens;

For those who may be interested I will be involved in a reenactment at
the Hammonasset State Park, close by Madison, CT on I95. If you happen
to drop by I will be on the command row of the guys in the blue clothes
(Feds). Just ask for the Chief Engineer, I'll be "holding court"
somewhere near by--drop in and say hello if you have a mind to.

I will be back on Monday, groggy, but at the computer
(GRIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
"Engineering Forever!!!!!!!"

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Dacian Wars Question
From:	"Stephen F. Phenow" <QFabiusMax@-------->
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 23:29:15 -0000

In fact, I read somewhere that Decebalus 'tried' to commit suicide,
butwas captured first by a Roman cavalry soldier. Has anyone read the
samething?

Salve Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Actually in 1965 the tombstone of a Roman soldier "Tiberus Claudius
Maximus" was discovered, and it completed the story. It was Maximus
as trooper of the Second Pannonia, who caught Decebalus, but was
unable to stop him from cutting his throat. (...et ab eodem factus
decurio in ala eadem quod cepisset Decebalum et caput eius pertlisset
ei Ranisstoro...) He decapatated Decebalus, and brought his head back
to Trajan at Ranistorum. For this he was made a Decurion.

Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Upcoming CPoT Vote
From:	"Lucius Tiberius Sardonicus" <TSardonicus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 03 May 2001 23:58:16 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, Kristoffer From <kristoffer.from@t...> wrote:
> The first four as well as the final of your points would apply to my
> modification of the proposal as well as the original proposal. The
only
> point of concern is thus the fifth, as in my proposal the last part
> would be altered to: "It does not prohibit non-taxpayers from
holding
> any office, provided they are supported by an appointed official."

Salve, Tito Octavi Pi!

I am resigned to agreeing to disagree in this case. I would have to
change your amendment to, "It does not prohibit non-taxpayers from
holding any office, just those in the central Nova Roman Government
unless they are supported by an appointed official in such a way that
the individual is paid in full on his taxes for the current year and
duration of his term of office."

I'm agreed that our comments are probably ringing like an empty
chamber pot crashing down the vestal steps in the ears of the people
reading this list. Let's take this private and discuss more
interesting matters, such as a recipe for those delicious pepparkakor.

I found it agreeable to disagree with you :)

Vale,

L. Tiberius Sardonicus.