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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Possible Temple of Ceres
From:	"Oppius Flaccus Severus" <oppiusflaccus@-------->
Date:	Sat, 12 May 2001 19:38:29 -0700

Salve Hyapatia;

A very nice effort! Excellent start, very clean and well-documented.
Gratias multas for creating it for us!

Bene vale,
Oppius
-----Original Message-----
From: Marilyn Traber [mailto:margali@--------]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:54 AM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Possible Temple of Ceres

OK, if you nip over to my Nova Roma page, I have put up a Temple
to Ceres page on a temporary basis. I would like a bit of
feedback to see if I can submit it to Marcus Arminius Maior who
is our Aedilis Plebis

Margali
Hyapatia Asinia

http://www.geocities.com/margali99maincom/NovaRoma.htm
or directly to the temple page
http://www.geocities.com/margali99maincom/TempleofCeres.html


Subject:	[novaroma] hello....
From:	"jeremy" <darth_vilmur@-------->
Date:	Sun, 13 May 2001 05:47:38 -0000

well, i have been gone for quite some time.

the schisms and my own boredome drove me away.. but
i have returned carrying my shame and asking for readmittance into
the open arms of my (virtual)country men.

the starting point of my desire to come back was finding out that my
virtual temple to jupiter had basically dissapeared into the void of
the electronic space....
i would like to rededicate myself to the restoration of the ancient
religion and ask for help in reestablishing my web site as a virtual
temple open to any who follow iuppiter jupiter zues or any other name
he wishes to be called by...

well thanx for indulging me
and if you chose, you can find the virtual temple to jupiter at
http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/OLYMPUS
californius, paterfamilias of virtus
founder the virtual temple to jupiter

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Society and the Individual - RESPONSE (not long)
From:	"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
Date:	Sun, 13 May 2001 11:07:21 +0200

Salvete Luci Sergi et Luci Corneli,

I think they key point is not the changes (to the name change edictum) that
have been made to make it work, but whether it _does_ work or not. And it
was my understanding that it didn't work for the citizen that was "in need"
of it in the first place.

Valete bene,
Draco

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Society and the Individual - RESPONSE (not long)
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@-------->
Date:	Sun, 13 May 2001 03:58:39 -0700

"S. Apollonius Draco" wrote:
>
> Salvete Luci Sergi et Luci Corneli,
>
> I think they key point is not the changes (to the name change edictum) that
> have been made to make it work, but whether it _does_ work or not. And it
> was my understanding that it didn't work for the citizen that was "in need"
> of it in the first place.

Ave Sextus et al.

It did work if Maria Villoreal submitted the paperwork, which according
to her she was going to do. However, I never got anything in the mail.
If she met the exemption which she told me and her Pater she was working
toward, I would have been pleased to reflect the changes. The burden of
proof relyed on Maria acting.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

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Subject:	[novaroma] Fwd: Food of the Gods (Long)
From:	Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs <iasonvs_serenvs@-------->
Date:	Sun, 13 May 2001 07:17:01 -0700 (PDT)

--- UlysseJace@-------- wrote:
> From: UlysseJace@--------
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 10:10:56 EDT
> Subject: Fwd: Food of the Gods (Long)
> To: iasonvs_serenvs@--------
>
>
>

> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
> From: UlysseJace@--------
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 10:05:27 EDT
> Subject: Food of the Gods (Long)
> To: novaroma@--------
> CC: ReligioRomana@--------
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> Several days past I expressed my frustrations
> with the leadership and
> evolution of Nova Roma. It must of course be noted
> that I am not a citizen
> of any signifigant duration, nor have I participated
> in many important past
> debates and solutions.
> These frustrations are not of a universal
> character. They are limited
> to the divers time-delayed discussions that occur
> within the Yahoo! hosted
> web forums. It is my understanding, decidedly
> limited though it may be, that
> all relations between persons are stained with the
> lasting ink of frustrated
> comprehension. A person, even the most elegant of
> speech and discourse, is
> necessarily misunderstood in the simplest of his
> expressions, precisely
> because his experience is unique from that of any
> other person with whom he
> interacts.
> A common tongue, and shared experience,
> provide the milieu for common
> practice, and the understanding that may follow.
>
> With these thoughts as preface, please allow
> me some small measure of
> time to balance my previous statements with the
> needed counterweight.
>
> I believe it is supremely irresponsible to
> criticize a man, or
> practice, or action, or word without supplying, as a
> corollary, a sustainable
> alternative to the object of said criticism. To
> sink to the saxon for a
> moment: If you ain't gonna do something, shut up.
>
> I have reviewed the original post, titled "A
> Respone to the Utter Pap"
> in an effort to clarify my own genuine thoughts on
> the future of Nova Roma as
> a viable, sustainable, thriving community. I cannot
> reject any assessments
> therein contained. What I can do is use that
> original vehicle as a prologue
> to a more constructive contribution to our noble
> forum.
>
> With this in mind, I would like to begin with
> a response offered to me
> by the Pontifex Quintus Fabius Maximus. In
> summation, he stated that the
> religio, as he saw it, was the foundation of our
> future.
> I concur.
> Though I myself am not a particularly
> "religious" man, nor am I given
> to ecstatic devotions, I cannot help but feel the
> enormous liberty that comes
> of a genuine faith. Some explanation is in order.
> By faith, I do not now
> nor ever mean the following: conviction, belief,
> worldview or ritual. Faith
> is the indefinable experience, wholly incommunicable
> to another, of the
> presence of the divine, the animation of the
> imagination beyond
> comprehension, the fire in that burns the candle
> wick, but is neither wick
> nor candle. Belief and ritual spring forth, athena
> mature, from the
> expression of faith to others, and the emergent
> attempts to play faith into
> the web of human experience.
>
> The Religio, from the vantage of two millenia
> and the predominance of
> christianism, hardly appears a faith, by this
> definition. Largely syncretic,
> an organic cross-fertilization of rituals and
> devotions, the old religions
> marked a stage in the evolution of tribal taboo into
> the urban or rural
> manifestations of personified deities.
>
> A people always has its gods, be they
> philosophical systems, God on
> the Mount, Bacchus in the wine-sopped forest glens,
> Minerva in the eyes of
> the owl, or football stars elevated beyond their own
> reckoning. It is my
> humble assertion that the gods are real, they can be
> nothing else. But they
> are not omnipotent (all honor to my Muslim, Jewish,
> and Christian brothers
> and sisters) nor can they be if we are to cntinue in
> our humanity.
>
> It is this evolving humanity, so vast as to
> escape a synthetic
> definition, so variegated as to define itself in
> its opposites and
> oppositions, to which we Novaromani belong. And it
> is toward the future that
> we carry our gods with us.
>
> The Pontifex Fabius is correct. Our gods are
> our foundation. But
> they are not the gods of the First Roma. They are
> not the gods of the Second
> Roma (the Catholic Church). They are Our gods. The
> divine arises from the
> interplay of forces, and we humans, at once gnats
> and giants, are a force, a
> complex combine of the universal energies.
>
> Pointillist politicking diminishes any effort
> to build on this
> foundation, to plant in this soil, to run free in
> these fields. Could it be
> more fruitful an adventure, a journey outward from
> our center, than to work
> together to build the temples in which Our gods will
> dwell, if for no others
> than our selves? And others will follow.
>
> Faith needs no temple. Nor does the divine.
> Between the two, the
> ultra individual experience of faith, and the
> immeasurable immensity of the
> divine, stands man. And not just man; all of
> creation, and the myriad worlds
> we have yet to discover, bear witness to the
> opportunities so generously
> bestowed of universal fecundity. But Man and Woman
> are we, and we must live
> as such, with all of our triumphs, failures, and
> banal surrenders.
>
> Banality. We have come to Nova Roma, each of
> us in some measure, to
> seek an antidote to the ubiquitous banality of our
> crumbling civilization.
> Yes, we have many toys, and bright billboards, and
> gasoline and gas taxes,
> and SUVs and the growing army of the unemployed and
> unemployable - we have
> more and more and more, and I begrudge no man his
> comforts. Still, (and
> still grows the protean ocean from which we emerge,
> in preparation for the
> coming storm) - still, we are immersed in the
> carefully calculated banality,
> the advertised anomie of a centerless surrender to
> Appetite.
>
> Sanctuary...to heal, to grow stonger, to
> convalesce, and establish
> brotherhood, first a fortnight in the cool shade of
> sanctuary. That
> Sanctuary is yet unbuilt. As all things enduring,
> it begins in obscurity.
> We needn't advertise, evangelize, or litter the
> public places with our ardent
> demands for recognition. We just build, worship,
> heal, grow.
>
> We needn't acquire a small national budget to
> begin, faith provides
> more capital than liquid money. And we needn't be
> unrealistic, swept up in
> romantic grandeur.
>
> A shrine becomes a meeting place, becomes a
> hut, becomes a temple, one
> day to shed its dross and shell, and a basilica
> stands where fifty years
> before was no more than a woman's heartsong sung to
> the ears of Vesta,
> Minerva or ample Fecunda.
>
> The point, I hope, labors itself, and I shall
> return to my quiet.
>
> In tremendous gratitude for your time,
>
> Iasonvs Serenvs Carolus Peregrinus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

=====
Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs Peregrinvs
(this is a post for which I accept all responsibility)
"The cosmos works by harmony of tensions, like the lyre and the bow."
"Time is a game played beautifully by children."
Heraclitus of Ephesus
HeraclitusFreehold@--------

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Subject:	[novaroma] Fwd: Food of the Gods (Long)
From:	Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs <iasonvs_serenvs@-------->
Date:	Sun, 13 May 2001 07:16:58 -0700 (PDT)


Subject:	[novaroma] Getting citizenship!
From:	=?iso-8859-1?Q?Linus_R=E5de?= <mournblade@-------->
Date:	Sun, 13 May 2001 18:43:06 +0200

Salve

I ahve been trying to become a citizen for about 2 month but havent been
able since my name was already taken. I didnt want to send in a new
application (because I think it might cause too much stress on the already
hard working censors) but when I tried to send a letter to the censors on
this issue it just came back because of an invalid e-mail.

I would be very greatful if someone could help me with this.

Linus R�de

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Subject:	[novaroma] NO taxis
From:	rabotnik@--------
Date:	Sun, 13 May 2001 17:38:22 -0000

Petrus Artorius Longinus to all Nova Roma Cives S.P.D.
I urge you to help Nova Roma to stay free from taxis.
Refuse to pay taxis!
Dont let anybody punish us and trapped us in to the tax trap
We all help our Republic with voluntary work and will not anybody try
to change it
Be free! Go vote and say NO!!! to Lex Vedia de assidui et capiti censi
Vale bene!
Lex Vedia de assidui et capiti censi
I. This Lex Vedia de assidui et capiti censi is hereby enacted to
define the classifications of taxpayers and non-taxpayers, and put in
place special conditions on those who are unable or unwilling to
support the financial welfare of the Republic through payment of
those taxes which may be enacted by the Senate.
II. Citizens who pay taxes in such amount and in such manner as may
be defined by the Senate shall be considered assidui. No special
conditions shall be placed on assidui in regards to their placement
in centuries and tribes or their ability to run for or hold office.
III. Citizens who do not pay taxes in such amount and in such manner
as may be defined by the Senate shall be considered capiti censi. The
following special conditions shall apply to capiti censi:
A. The Censors shall place all capiti censi in the last century in
Class V as defined in the Lex Vedia Centuriata and those leges which
may amend it, and no other Citizens shall be enrolled therein.
B. The Censors shall place all capiti censi in the urban tribes as
defined in the Lex Vedia Tributorum and those leges which may amend
it.
C. No member of the capiti censi may run for or hold office as one of
the ordinarii (including the apparitores), nor be appointed to or
hold office as provincial governor. Members of the capiti censi may
hold provincial or local offices at the discretion of the governor of
the province in question.

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