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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The Cornelii
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 00:11:14 -0000

Salve Sergius:

I, for one, was not offended; I was sure judging by the context of your
post, you were speaking of "size", and not political sentiment.

I find the name quite creative on your part, and quite humourous.

Vale,
Pompeia Cornelia
Civis Nova Roma ET
Member in good standing (that's right, nonne Pater?)
RES PUBLICA CORNELII

>From: LSergAust@--------
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] The Cornelii
>Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:41:17 EDT
>
>
>Salvete Omnes
>
>Earlier this week, in a playful mood, I referred to Gens Cornelia as the
>"People's Republic of Cornelii."
>
>I want to be certain it is understood that I did not mean to imply that
>there were any political or social parallels to be drawn between our PRC
>and the despotically ruled nation known as the People's Republic of
>China. I was merely making a play on the coincident initials and on the
>size of Lucius Cornelius Sulla's gens.
>
>No offense intended (at least not to the Cornelii).
>
>Vale,
>
>L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
>
>
>certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
>
>(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Men and Boys
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 00:19:00 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

I agree that using the word "boy" in varying English-speaking areas and
social circles may get one into trouble. It is considered demeaning.

Here's a cute story to lighten things up.

My younger son Justin was 3 1/2 years old when on one summer morning he
visited the neighbourhood park (playground) with this babysitter.

Apparently, my youngster enthusiastically run up to a group of boys around
10-11, and greeted them with "hello children".

I would love to have seen the the demoralized look on those "childrens'"
faces...especially in light of the fact that my babysitter at the time was a
rather lovely girl in her early twenties.

I am sorry I missed the incident, but it always stuck in my mind as rather
hillarious.

Bene valete,
Po
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] A Strange Pattern
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Fri, 25 May 2001 17:45:20 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete omnes; et salve, amice Oppi.

--- Oppius Flaccus Severus <oppiusflaccus@--------> wrote:

<<snipped>>

> OFS: Gratias multas for the clarification!

You're welcome.

<<snipped>>

> As we're always having to make a trade-off or two
> in NR, my druthers always go with the traditional
> practice. (Which as you stated, would leave
> certain positions unfilled for the remainder of
> the year.) However, Marcus Octavius' statements and
> further clarifications of the idea proposed by
> Consul Germanicus would work fine for me too.
> So, if it came between the two -I'd personally
> vote for the former, but if it were the later
> presented against a third or fourth alternative,
> then I would choose the latter.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

> You just need to make the Oath of Office, don't you?
> I hope you can do that soon ;-).
>
> OFS: Ah yes, just the oath remains. However, I can't
> take the oath until 5/28 in accordance with the Cursus
> Honorum so that I assume office on my official six-month
> anniversary date. (However, due to my holiday schedule
> it may not be until the morning of 5/29.)

Oh, I see. Well, I wish you a good vacation. Enjoy yourself, and come
back with renewed energies ;-).

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Subject:	[novaroma] Youth in Nova Roma, Solution?
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date:	Fri, 25 May 2001 16:00:41 -0400

Though I understand that under official law, you must have parents
permission for a child who is under 18 years of age to register. This fact
does not mean they cannot vote! If we receive written permission from the
guardian of the minor then he can become a citizen, obviously.

Like I was saying before, there is no harm in letting teens vote. We all
must assume that any teen who finds his way here is above normal
intelligence and does have a adequate knowledge of what we stand for as a
nation.

Still I know I will not convince the majority. So a propose the fallowing
solution. Here are the steps a minor would have to take to have the right to
vote and be active in the government.

1. If a minor wishes to become a citizen then he/she must submit written
permission to Nova Roma.

2. Once Nova Roma receives permission and approves the application the minor
will become a citizen. Though he/she cannot vote.

3. Now the minor can do two things at this point. He/she can stay in the
present class or attempt to move up to have the rights to vote. If the minor
wishes to have a chance to vote they must pass a test.

The reasons for this test is to prove the ability of the minor to
effectively take part in government activities. This test can be written
only once or twice a year and could have topics like, Roman History, Nova
Roma Constitution, Religion... and so on. If the test is passed the minor
has proved him or herself able to take part in government.

Please note that passing this test would not make the citizen an adult. I
think the idea of making a minor an adult should be at the traditional age
of 17. Though until we are a independent nation this status of being adult
would only be factious and used as a label.

Or we could go above that. Maybe if the test is passed the votes cast by a
minor would only be worth half of an adult vote. We could do many different
things in this realm. I will leave that up to other civis.

Now you may be asking yourself, why go through all this trouble? We could
just simply keep our cirrent ³cut off² age and keep it simple. Yes it is
simpler, but it is not better. There are many long and short term advantages
to letting youth vote.

More teens would probably take an active role in Nova Roma. Just like us
they would want there ideas heard. If granted the chance this would result
in more minors being interested. Also by having youth as voting, active
citizens it will assure the future of Nova Roma. Heck you must admit it will
be awhile until we see a truly independent nation called Nova Roma. These
youths that will join maybe the first true real life citizens of the nation
we are building now. This could be one of the most important things we as
nation builders could do.

One more thing on the benefits of active youths. If a 15 year old joins
today, then three years when this person is 18 we will have model Roman
citizen already active and known in our nation. This will help get our voice
out to the governments that currently rule us. If the age range is larger,
say 18 and up, more likely we are to be heard!

What shall we do with the youths that don't pass the test? Well they can
still be citizens, though with out being able to vote. I am a professional
website designer. I would be more than happy to build a Nova Roma youth
group website. Us adult citizens could help teach and inspire the youngsters
to be role model citizens of the future. This way the youth may even have a
better chance at passing there next test and becoming a voting citizen.

I see no harm in this myself. I am friends with a history teacher, I am sure
he would be more than happy to help design a type of on-line lesson about
Rome and what we stand for, at this proposed Nova Roma youth group site.

I stay, lets teach the senate of tomorrow!
Vale,

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Civis Canada Orientalis

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Subject:	[novaroma] Roman Virtues
From:	MurrellB@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 May 2001 23:41:47 -0000

Salve NovaRomans! After a long hiatus, I am returning
to enjoy your good company. Essentially I'm a philosopher,
employing a Stoic construct for modern developments in
science, systems, and spirituality. If I might, I'll
post a small section of one my items on the Roman Virtues.
Hopefully you will find it useful.

Respectfully,
--Dona Leonina Beatrix

**********
The "Roman Virtues" were those qualities of life to which
every Roman citizen should aspire. They are the heart of
the Via Romana--the Roman Way. They are rods, standards
by which we can measure our own behavior and character.

AUCTORITAS; "Spiritual Authority," the sense of one's
social standing, built up through experience, Pietas, and
Industria.

COMITAS: "Humor;" ease of manner, courtesy, openness,
and friendliness.

CLEMENTIA: "Mercy," mildness and gentleness.

DIGNITAS: "Dignity." a sense of self-worth, personal pride.

FIRMITAS: "Tenacity," strength of mind, the ability to
stick to one's purpose.

FRUGALITAS: "Frugalness," economy and simplicity of
style, but not to be miserly.

GRAVITAS: "Gravity," a sense of the importance of the
matter at hand, responsibility and earnestness.

HONESTAS: "Respectibility," the image that one presents
as a respectable member of society.

HUMANITAS: "Humanity," refinement, civilization, learning.
and being cultured.

INDUSTRIA: "Industriousness," hard work.

PIETAS: "Dutifulness," more than religious piety: a respect
for the natural order socially, politically, and religiously.
Includes the ideas of patriotism and devotion to others.

PRUDENTIA: "Prudence," foresight, wisdom, and personal
discretion.

SALUBRITAS: "Wholesomeness," health and cleanliness.

SEVERITAS: "Sternness," gravity, self-control.

VERITAS: "Truthfulness," honesty in dealing with others.

As you can readily see, the Roman Virtues could serve
today as an acceptable ethical system for not only the
evolution of the community but for the personal development
of the individual.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Roman Virtues
From:	"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@-------->
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 00:57:30 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@e...> wrote:
> Welcome back!! Our Consul M. Cassius started a list devoted to the
virtues.
> Unfortuantely I am at work, and I do not have the addy available, but I
> think it might be something you might find very interesting.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>

That would be
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SodalitasVirtutis

Drusus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Roman Virtues
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Fri, 25 May 2001 17:53:34 -0700

Welcome back!! Our Consul M. Cassius started a list devoted to the virtues.
Unfortuantely I am at work, and I do not have the addy available, but I
think it might be something you might find very interesting.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

on 5/25/01 4:41 PM, MurrellB@-------- at MurrellB@-------- wrote:

> Salve NovaRomans! After a long hiatus, I am returning
> to enjoy your good company. Essentially I'm a philosopher,
> employing a Stoic construct for modern developments in
> science, systems, and spirituality. If I might, I'll
> post a small section of one my items on the Roman Virtues.
> Hopefully you will find it useful.
>
> Respectfully,
> --Dona Leonina Beatrix
>
> **********
> The "Roman Virtues" were those qualities of life to which
> every Roman citizen should aspire. They are the heart of
> the Via Romana--the Roman Way. They are rods, standards
> by which we can measure our own behavior and character.
>
> AUCTORITAS; "Spiritual Authority," the sense of one's
> social standing, built up through experience, Pietas, and
> Industria.
>
> COMITAS: "Humor;" ease of manner, courtesy, openness,
> and friendliness.
>
> CLEMENTIA: "Mercy," mildness and gentleness.
>
> DIGNITAS: "Dignity." a sense of self-worth, personal pride.
>
> FIRMITAS: "Tenacity," strength of mind, the ability to
> stick to one's purpose.
>
> FRUGALITAS: "Frugalness," economy and simplicity of
> style, but not to be miserly.
>
> GRAVITAS: "Gravity," a sense of the importance of the
> matter at hand, responsibility and earnestness.
>
> HONESTAS: "Respectibility," the image that one presents
> as a respectable member of society.
>
> HUMANITAS: "Humanity," refinement, civilization, learning.
> and being cultured.
>
> INDUSTRIA: "Industriousness," hard work.
>
> PIETAS: "Dutifulness," more than religious piety: a respect
> for the natural order socially, politically, and religiously.
> Includes the ideas of patriotism and devotion to others.
>
> PRUDENTIA: "Prudence," foresight, wisdom, and personal
> discretion.
>
> SALUBRITAS: "Wholesomeness," health and cleanliness.
>
> SEVERITAS: "Sternness," gravity, self-control.
>
> VERITAS: "Truthfulness," honesty in dealing with others.
>
> As you can readily see, the Roman Virtues could serve
> today as an acceptable ethical system for not only the
> evolution of the community but for the personal development
> of the individual.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Gladiator the NR Version Chapter V
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 01:00:28 -0000

Salvete Nerve et alii:

Well, I am less than impressed with your latest offering, for obvious
reasons.

Tell me, did you ask Formosanus if he would mind being in your story?

When I write a story involving NR civites, I generally feel it is common
courtesy to ask their permission beforehand, and I also disclose to them the
role in which they will be cast.

I don't read the Mirror or the Daily Globe either.

Nerva, have you ever considered bowling or soccer? It would seem you like
to "keep the ball rolling"........

Pompeia
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Men and Boys
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date:	Fri, 25 May 2001 20:59:32 -0400

Using the word "boy" barely an insult, if an insult at all, in my mind. It
is only commonly taken as an insult if you take it in the wrong context. If
you take being called a "boy" insulting then I think you need to lighten up
a tad. =)

Hinc est mei oratio!

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Civis Canada Orientalis

on 5/25/01 8:19 PM, Pompeia Cornelia at scriba_forum@-------- wrote:

> Salvete Omnes:
>
> I agree that using the word "boy" in varying English-speaking areas and
> social circles may get one into trouble. It is considered demeaning.
>
> Here's a cute story to lighten things up.
>
> My younger son Justin was 3 1/2 years old when on one summer morning he
> visited the neighbourhood park (playground) with this babysitter.
>
> Apparently, my youngster enthusiastically run up to a group of boys around
> 10-11, and greeted them with "hello children".
>
> I would love to have seen the the demoralized look on those "childrens'"
> faces...especially in light of the fact that my babysitter at the time was a
> rather lovely girl in her early twenties.
>
> I am sorry I missed the incident, but it always stuck in my mind as rather
> hillarious.
>
> Bene valete,
> Po
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Gladiator the NR Version Chapter V
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date:	Fri, 25 May 2001 21:04:42 -0400

I do think you should ask permission. Though I did find your last chapter
interesting and entertaining.

Hinc est mei oratio!

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Civis Canada Orientalis

>
> Nerva, have you ever considered bowling or soccer? It would seem you like
> to "keep the ball rolling"........
>
> Pompeia

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Gladiator the NR Version Chapter V
From:	"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@-------->
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 01:27:56 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
> Salvete Nerve et alii:
>
> Well, I am less than impressed with your latest offering, for obvious
> reasons.
>
> Tell me, did you ask Formosanus if he would mind being in your story?
>
> When I write a story involving NR civites, I generally feel it is
common
> courtesy to ask their permission beforehand, and I also disclose to
them the
> role in which they will be cast.
>
> I don't read the Mirror or the Daily Globe either.
>
> Nerva, have you ever considered bowling or soccer? It would seem
you like
> to "keep the ball rolling"........
>
> Pompeia

Salve,

LOL, I was a Slave Dealer in the latest chapter, wasn't asked about
it, and all I did was laugh about it.

That is just part of the price of living a public life. Satire is
protected free speach, and a Roman tradition.

Vale,
L. Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator the NR Version Chapter V
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Fri, 25 May 2001 18:31:05 -0700

on 5/25/01 6:27 PM, Lucius Sicinius Drusus at lsicinius@-------- wrote:

> --- In novaroma@--------, "Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
>> Salvete Nerve et alii:
>>
>> Well, I am less than impressed with your latest offering, for obvious
>> reasons.
>>
>> Tell me, did you ask Formosanus if he would mind being in your story?
>>
>> When I write a story involving NR civites, I generally feel it is
> common
>> courtesy to ask their permission beforehand, and I also disclose to
> them the
>> role in which they will be cast.
>>
>> I don't read the Mirror or the Daily Globe either.
>>
>> Nerva, have you ever considered bowling or soccer? It would seem
> you like
>> to "keep the ball rolling"........
>>
>> Pompeia
>
> Salve,
>
> LOL, I was a Slave Dealer in the latest chapter, wasn't asked about
> it, and all I did was laugh about it.
>
> That is just part of the price of living a public life. Satire is
> protected free speach, and a Roman tradition.
>
> Vale,
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>

Ave,

Dont you love being popular?

Vale,

Sulla

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Subject:	[novaroma] Adulthood and Voting
From:	TitusPollio@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 May 2001 21:35:55 EDT

Hail Honored Citizens of Nova Roma,
(My Latin is terrible so I won't use it)

I have been quietly reading this listing ever since I became a citizen
last December. I have read with interest, amusement, and occasionally alarm
all of the discussion and turmoil within our micronation with the intent to
learn the ways of this listing. Now I feel I must voice my opinion on this
particular topic.

I feel this subject really needs to be separated into two different and
distinct subjects. The first being the recognition of adulthood by the
Nation and the second the granting of the privilege of voting and office
holding. These categories can and, in my opinion, should be mutually
exclusive.

In the category of adulthood, I support earlier writers who pointed out
the customs of Old Rome who recognized "children" as adults at more or less
the age of puberty (partially but not exclusively due to a short life
expectancy and the need to build up the population of the state to survive
their neighbors). I respectfully remind all, that most of our Macronations
have subgroups that confer a "right of passage to adulthood" to children of
both sexes prior to the "child" reaching some magical legal age. Bar and Bat
Mitzvahs come to my mind as classic examples.
I have not heard of these subgroups usually running afoul of local laws about
age.

If Nova Roma made the attaining of adulthood a ceremonial thing as it
was in Old Rome, I can only see good coming from it. The fact a "child" now
is granted all the rights of "adulthood" except the vote and holding of
public offices until say age 18 should be a positive. Remember even we
"adults" have age restrictions placed on us about holding some public offices
until we attain a certain age both in our own constitution and in the laws of
our various Macronations.

As for the right to vote, leave it the way it currently is. It meets
the legal demands of most of our Macronations. When I was 18, my Macronation
did not allow me to vote until I was 21, now it does. Times change and so do
political processes and conceptions, hopefully for the better. It has been
my observation on both political and business processes that "if it works
reasonably well and doesn't hurt anyone leave it alone."

Respectfully yours,

Titus Asinius Pollio
Paterfamilia Asinia

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] American languages (was: Men and Boys)
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Fri, 25 May 2001 18:40:21 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete omnes.

As we are having a great time with this nonsense quarrel, I just
couldn't stop contributing.

--- Marcos Boehme <m_arminius@--------> wrote:
> Ave,
>
> Here, in the south of America, we spoke:
> -portuguese, in Brazil
> -spanish, in Argentina, Chile, Uruguai, Peru, Colombia and others

Do they speak Spanish there? Are you sure? ;-)

> -english in Guiana, flemish in Suriname and french in French Guiana,
> along with a lot of other native languages.
>
> Or do you meant the south of North America?
>
> Marcus Arminius Maior
> Propraetor Brasiliae
>
> --
> >Ave,
> >
> >Ok, I will take the bait....being that I am travel impaired....what
> is
> >spoken in the American South?
> >
> >Sulla
> >
> >> Salve Gaius Popillius
> >>
> >> Judging from your email address, it seems you are posting from the
> >> American South. English is not spoken in the American South.
> >>
> >> Vale,
> >> L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator the NR Version Chapter V
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 01:49:33 -0000

Salve:

It matters not, to me. Doesn't matter who you are. My feeling is that I
would feel uncomfortable including people in a story I wrote without asking
their permission. but that is just me, and my philosophy/religion.

We are supposed to be a community, and a community is a place where members
respect each other's feelings and wishes.

I even asked my Pater et Mater if they would mind being in my recent story
for the Festival. It was common courtesy.

You guys are not in the hotseat right now; please keep that in mind.

I am quite sure either one of you would deeply appreciate being cast in a
questionable situation in a story "satire" or no.

I would like to remind all authors everywhere: "what goes around, comes
around". No gettin' around this one.

Sorry, I love you to pieces Pater, but I respectfully disagree.

Pompeia

>From: "L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: <novaroma@-------->
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Gladiator the NR Version Chapter V
>Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:31:05 -0700
>
>on 5/25/01 6:27 PM, Lucius Sicinius Drusus at lsicinius@-------- wrote:
>
> > --- In novaroma@--------, "Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
> >> Salvete Nerve et alii:
> >>
> >> Well, I am less than impressed with your latest offering, for obvious
> >> reasons.
> >>
> >> Tell me, did you ask Formosanus if he would mind being in your story?
> >>
> >> When I write a story involving NR civites, I generally feel it is
> > common
> >> courtesy to ask their permission beforehand, and I also disclose to
> > them the
> >> role in which they will be cast.
> >>
> >> I don't read the Mirror or the Daily Globe either.
> >>
> >> Nerva, have you ever considered bowling or soccer? It would seem
> > you like
> >> to "keep the ball rolling"........
> >>
> >> Pompeia
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > LOL, I was a Slave Dealer in the latest chapter, wasn't asked about
> > it, and all I did was laugh about it.
> >
> > That is just part of the price of living a public life. Satire is
> > protected free speach, and a Roman tradition.
> >
> > Vale,
> > L. Sicinius Drusus
> >
>
>Ave,
>
>Dont you love being popular?
>
>Vale,
>
>Sulla
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re:
From:	"A. Cato" <a.cato@-------->
Date:	Fri, 25 May 2001 22:56:52 -0400

Salve:

Amulius Claudius Petrus wrote:

>>The reasons for this test is to prove the ability of the minor to
>>effectively take part in government activities. This test can be written
>>only once or twice a year and could have topics like, Roman History, Nova
>>Roma Constitution, Religion... and so on. If the test is passed the minor
>>has proved him or herself able to take part in government

Response: A test such as this would certainly test one's knowledge of Roman History, our Nova Roma Constitution, Religion etc.
But knowledge, although a component of wisdom, is not in itself wisdom. How you would test wisdom, I am not sure. I could see eighteen year olds having the vote. But I, and and I believe a great many others, would resist thirteen to sixteen year olds voting, for reasons already stated previously. IMHO age seventeen having the vote could even be questionable.
I believe that this could be taken to a ridiculous level. If we are willing to lower the voting age to, say, fifteen, because a great many fifteen year olds are smart, then why not lower the voting age down to let's say, ten? I know a few ten year olds that are really smart. You can see where this could lead. How about eight year olds, as long as they are really smart of course. You can see how ridiculous it can get. As I stated before, being smart, is not the same as being wise. They are different. It appears to me that some people think that being smart and having wisdom are the same. They are not.
In Ancient Rome, boys wore the toga praetexta until about age fifteen or sixteen, when the then assumed the man's toga, the toga virilis. I am not sure if this also meant that they where also able to vote at that age. Perhaps someone else may enlighten me on that. However, I am sure that our spiritual Roman ancestors had good reason for not allowing the donning of the toga virilis at a younger age, no matter how smart the younger ones were. In order to have influence on legislation that effects the lives of all a nations citizens, one must have wisdom. If not, then do not be surprised when institutions crumble.
Ave atque vale, ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, ... Rogator

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Youth in Nova Roma, Solution?
From:	"A. Cato" <a.cato@-------->
Date:	Fri, 25 May 2001 23:00:03 -0400

Salvete Omnes: Please forgive this repeat post. I did not enter the subject heading in the original.
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Cato
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:56 PM
Subject: Re:

Salve:

Amulius Claudius Petrus wrote:

>>The reasons for this test is to prove the ability of the minor to
>>effectively take part in government activities. This test can be written
>>only once or twice a year and could have topics like, Roman History, Nova
>>Roma Constitution, Religion... and so on. If the test is passed the minor
>>has proved him or herself able to take part in government

Response: A test such as this would certainly test one's knowledge of Roman History, our Nova Roma Constitution, Religion etc.
But knowledge, although a component of wisdom, is not in itself wisdom. How you would test wisdom, I am not sure. I could see eighteen year olds having the vote. But I, and and I believe a great many others, would resist thirteen to sixteen year olds voting, for reasons already stated previously. IMHO age seventeen having the vote could even be questionable.
I believe that this could be taken to a ridiculous level. If we are willing to lower the voting age to, say, fifteen, because a great many fifteen year olds are smart, then why not lower the voting age down to let's say, ten? I know a few ten year olds that are really smart. You can see where this could lead. How about eight year olds, as long as they are really smart of course. You can see how ridiculous it can get. As I stated before, being smart, is not the same as being wise. They are different. It appears to me that some people think that being smart and having wisdom are the same. They are not.
In Ancient Rome, boys wore the toga praetexta until about age fifteen or sixteen, when the then assumed the man's toga, the toga virilis. I am not sure if this also meant that they where also able to vote at that age. Perhaps someone else may enlighten me on that. However, I am sure that our spiritual Roman ancestors had good reason for not allowing the donning of the toga virilis at a younger age, no matter how smart the younger ones were. In order to have influence on legislation that effects the lives of all a nations citizens, one must have wisdom. If not, then do not be surprised when institutions crumble.
Ave atque vale, ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, ... Rogator

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Subject:	Re: R: [novaroma] Digest Number 1427
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Jerry=20Anguston?= <gaiussentius@-------->
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 13:19:22 +1000 (EST)

Ave Marcus Prometheus,

I get very weary of this. Communism is NOT christian,
nor does it have anything to do with religion. For the
most part, in fact, Communism is against organised
religion, as Karl Marx said "religion is the opiate of
the masses". I do not agree with this statement and am
a pagan to the core, but it is obvious how much
propaganda about communism is circulated. Next thing
you will be telling me that under Communism, Kruschev
ate babies and Gorbachev practiced dark magic. Please
(I reiterate a previous statement here, that I am not
a communist), don't go bashing something until you
understand its true nature. I beleive this holds true
in Nova Roma, where we would not have so many members
if the greater proportion did not understand its true
nature and its greatness.

Vale bene,

Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura

Legatus Australia Medius
Sacerdos Mars Invictus

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Marcus Prometheus Salutem plurimam omnibus dicit. 
 
Cives, 

I read recently in the fiction NR Gladiator and
previously in 
some non fully fiction messages that Civis Formosanus
is somehow linked to 
barbarian perversion called communism, the last heresy
of christianism. 
 
As I guess I could be the hottest anti communist on
this list, and I am very 
disgusted by all hints of communism and also
accustomed to recognize them 
I want to witness a discrepancy: 
I never saw the slightest hint of communist infection
in the ideas expressed 
by Formosanus. 
 
All criticism migth have at least a seed of truth, or
not? 
 
Vale amice Formosane. My appreciation to you and to
your sense of Justice 
which I do not find has anything to do with marxist
virus. 
 
Valete cives omnes. 
 

Marcus Prometheus 

Civis Novae Romae 
Italian business man living in still half communist
Romania, Previously 
Dacia Felix 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Subject:	[novaroma] Ave Appius Tullius Cato !!
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 03:19:33 -0000

Salve A. Tullius Cato et alii:

Cato, you have outdone yourself in the last three elections as Rogator. You
have admirably filled in without objection when others were unable to
fulfill their duties.

I commend you commitment.

Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia
Propraetrix Pro Temp
Canada Orientalis......who is so proud to have Cato in her provincia

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Gladiator the NR Version Chapter V
From:	TSardonicus@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 May 2001 22:06:08 EDT

In a message dated 5/25/01 6:00:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
scriba_forum@-------- writes:

> Tell me, did you ask Formosanus if he would mind being in your story?
>

Good parody never asks.

Seven days and counting,
LTS

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Adulthood and Voting
From:	TSardonicus@--------
Date:	Fri, 25 May 2001 22:18:59 EDT

In a message dated 5/25/01 6:51:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
TitusPollio@-------- writes:

> As for the right to vote, leave it the way it currently is. It meets
> the legal demands of most of our Macronations.

The point isn't to adopt the legal requirements of most macronations for our
own good....the point is to meet the requirements of each citizen's
nationality while improving upon it with respect to the traditions of Roma
Antiqua. Am I putting to fine a point on it?

Vale

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Men and Boys
From:	ksterne@--------
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 03:29:49 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, LSergAust@a... wrote:
>
> Salve Gaius Popillius
>
> Judging from your email address, it seems you are posting from the
> American South. English is not spoken in the American South.
>
> Vale,
>
> L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
>

Dalve Luci Sergi,

Yeah, Tennessee (in the South of North America). And you know what,
I agree ;-)

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Macronational relationships
From:	bcatfd@--------
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 05:44:24 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, Kristoffer From <kristoffer.from@t...> wrote:
> T. Octavius Pius Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salve T. Octavi,

I think your point of view is based on a profound misunderstanding of
the long-term goals of Nova Roma, which I shall comment on below.

> I cannot help but notice that several parts of the current Nova
>Roman legislation refer to macronational laws. For example, a person
>is not eligible for citizenship in Nova Roma before he/she is
>considered an adult in his/her macronational country, even though
>the actual age when this occurs may differ considerably between
>different nations. I am reasonably sure that not many macronations
employ this strategy when issuing laws, and I do not see why we
>should do so either.

Because we are not a macronation, we are a micronation. We are a
small group of people scattered throughout the world. You could say
we are dual citizens, of Nova Roma and our macronations. However, we
are citizens of our macronations first (it is where our first loyalty
and duty lies) and Nova Roma has to be careful not to run afoul of
those laws, putting our citizens in legal jeopardy and Nova Roma as
well. Macronational laws must take precedence and our laws must be
linked to them for this reason.

> Admittedly, it is an expedient way of dealing with certain problems
> which might occur. However, in some way this discriminates some
>citizens based on their macronational point of origin. Further, it
>lends credibility to the belief that Nova Roma is nothing more than
>an internet-based roleplaying society, or an organization of some
>sort. If we ever reach the point where we become a true macronation,
>we will be forced to alter all legislation based on the premise of a
>macronational citizenship providing tools for us to work with.

Here is where your deep misunderstanding of our goals comes to the
fore. We will never be a macronation nor have we ever had any
intention of becoming a macronation. Nova Roman citizenship runs
parallel to and is secondary to citizenship in our macronations. It
has never been our intention to replace one with the other. We are
not going to found a physical country and all live there as a nation.
Eventually Nova Roma *will* have land. The long term goal is to
eventually have 108 acres of land which will become the *spiritual*
capital for Nova Romans. The best comparison would be to the Catholic
Church and its spiritual and administrative capital of Vatican City--
108 acres is the size of the Vatican, and it is not a coincidence
that our spirtual capital will be 108 acres. Just as one can be a
Catholic and an Amercian, or Portugese and a Catholic, etc, at the
same time, so one can be be a Nova Roman and a citizen of whatever
country you are from at the same time.

> I suggest, therefore, that no legislation referring to macronational
> laws and customs should be passed, and that we therefore develop
>our own tools, so that when the day comes for our beloved Res
>Publica to join her fellow macronations on the international stage,
>we are prepared for that internally.
>
> Simply, that we should think outside the "box", and prepare
>ourselves for our eventual confrontation with the outside world.

There is not going to be an eventual confrontation with the "outside"
world. We *are* the outside world and Nova Roma as well. Such talk,
while it has popped up from time to time on this list over the years,
is not beneficial to Nova Roma and is contrary to our goals.

I refer you to the Declaration of Nova Roma,
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/declaration_novaroma.html for more
on this topic.

> This post isn't intended to cause any offense. If it has, I
>apologize.

No offense taken at all.

Vale,

D.Iunius Palladius Inv.,
Senator, Paterfamilias Gens Iunia

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Subject:	[novaroma] Making Youngsters into Voters
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 01:52:14 -0400 (EDT)

Citizen Petrus;

Wouldn't just be easier just to let these youngsters grow up up?

Who will write the exams? Who will administer the exams? Who will
grade the Exams? Who will do the one hundred and one other things that
will have to be done to carry out your suggestion.

And when you have done all that, what you have is 15 year old children
who have been essentially given the same education now provided in
schools for the same purpose.

As a Magistrate and Senator, I do not choose to expose my constituants
to the vagarities of a person of that age simply because as it has been
said before to adnauseum. most of these children are not up to it. They
do not have the experience, understanding, and knowledge for the actual
vote. If you wish to undertake thier education there is nothing wrong
with that, but I do not agree that adult citizens shall be subject to
the vote of minors.

Your earlier supposition that childeren that age reaching NR must be
serious minded. With the prevelence of the Web increasing each day in
homes all over the world, such a statement could not be farther from he
truth, and Nova Roma has already suffered two such in her short history,
both foolish, both insulting and both having to be moderated.

I say again, let them grow into the law, let them be children, as it is
a very precious time in which to develop some very important skills
other than poltics, in order to be ready when they are handed the real
poblems that life has in store.

Respectfully;
Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Faint Praise for Draco
From:	bcatfd@--------
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 06:04:34 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, QFabiusMax@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/20/2001 7:09:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
bvm3@--------
> writes:
> Savete!
>> << The Cornelians seem to think that that can best be achieved
through
>> Oligarchic domination of the state, and detailed bureaucratic and
>>often punitive laws and edicta limiting the unreliable individual
>>and forcing him to prove his own identity
>>and right to exist and to act at every step.<<

> Surely Apollonius you cannot believe that. Why do you make this
>out to be a private vendetta between the "Optimates" Cornelii, and
>the "Populares" the Apollonii and Marii?
>
> Ex Censores, please come forward and help me out here. Explain to
>this blockhead that the precedent existed long before Lucius
>Cornelius issued his edictum.
> Explain that Cornelius requested input from the former censors
>before issuing it and it did not happen in a vacuum, as the Aedile
>implies.

Quintus Fabius, I think the blockhead knows that, he just insists on
rehashing the same old arguments over and over again. However, to
reiterate, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix based his gender edict on a
precedent established by myself and Flavius Vedius when we reviewed a
request by a citizen in the Fall of 1999 to change her name to one
inconsistent with her physical gender. We conducted a live online
review with the citizen and denied the request. The decision was
accepted by the citizen and no more was heard about it until 4 or 5
months later when Flavius Vedius stepped down as censor. At that time
the sole censor, Sulla Felix, was approached with the name change
request. He asked us if there was any magisterial precedent regarding
this. I told him about the denied application and the hearing that
had been held and he continued the course that had already been
established, eventually issuing the now famous gender edict.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus,
Senator, former Censor

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Macronational relationships
From:	Kristoffer From <kristoffer.from@-------->
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 11:50:46 +0200

bcatfd@-------- wrote:
> There is not going to be an eventual confrontation with the "outside"
> world. We *are* the outside world and Nova Roma as well. Such talk,
> while it has popped up from time to time on this list over the years,
> is not beneficial to Nova Roma and is contrary to our goals.
>
> I refer you to the Declaration of Nova Roma,
> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/declaration_novaroma.html for more
> on this topic.

Salve, Iuni Palladi.

Checked it out:

"We, the Senate and People of New Rome, in order to restore the
foundations of Western Civilization, declare the founding of Nova Roma
as a soverign Nation. We manifest Nova Roma as an independent world
nation and republic, with its own legal constitution and lawful
government, with all international rights and responsibilities that such
status carries. "

That what you were talking about? Nah, I get your point. Though I must
agree that "going macronational" wasn't the original intention of those
founding Nova Roma, in my (admittedly short) time here, I've gotten the
feeling that there is an established interest in eventually starting an
actual Nova Roman macronation. And if the majority ever supports this,
and the opportunity arises, we will have that confontation. Until then,
rules which unite us into a common micronation, instead of dividing us
by our macronational borders, is surely in our best interest.

Thanks for the information, it's always interesting to hear another's
view on a subject.

Vale,

Titus Octavius Pius,
Consiliarius Thules,
Praeco Anarei Thules,
Scriba to the Curator Araneum

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Youth in Nova Roma
From:	"Sokarus Apollonius Callias" <hadescallias@-------->
Date:	Fri, 25 May 2001 09:15:33 +0200

Salve

you have a point but adults have more experience and know more than the youth does. No other nation allows the youth to vote, so we should we be any different than they are.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: American Language - L. Sergius comment
From:	"Navarra Reid" <optabilis@-------->
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 04:57:41 -0600

Salve L. Sergius:

After all, even Canada has a South (that's where they
grow the food - all the rest is a deep freeze ;-) ).

I take umbrage at this remark. After all, it is a deep-freeze in the south
of Canada where we grow food, too (at least for 5 months of the year). <BG>

Appia Claudia Indagatrix
Materfamilias Gens Claudia
Legatus Regionis Agassis (Provinciae Canada Occidentalis)

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: American Language - L. Sergius comment
From:	"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@-------->
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 14:11:24 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "Navarra Reid" <optabilis@h...> wrote:
> Salve L. Sergius:
>
> After all, even Canada has a South (that's where they
> grow the food - all the rest is a deep freeze ;-) ).
>
> I take umbrage at this remark. After all, it is a deep-freeze in
the south
> of Canada where we grow food, too (at least for 5 months of the
year). <BG>

5 Months? I thought y'all had two seasons, winter and July. ;o)
Drusus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Adulthood and Voting
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 10:46:42 EDT

No, you've got the point just fine. Others are missing the point and just
playing with words without fully understanding what they are about.
Maddening, isn't it?

But this brings up the question: if those who understand leave out of
their frustration with those who don't understand, what will happen here?

The rest of my life is just like this, Sardonicus. I am continually
having to struggle with people who don't quite understand important
issues with which we are working. Often these people are my bosses.
Should I just resign and withdraw from life, leaving all those battles to
be fought by people who don't grasp the issues?

I can't do that, Sardonicus. It's not in my nature, and the fights are
too important - they involve other peoples' lives and futures.

Nova Roma may not be that important, but I just hate to lose a fight.
Nova Roma is a sort of dream that people are trying to make come true. If
we give up and walk away from it, what are we saying about our lives?
about our ability to realize our dreams? about our ability to shape our
own destinies?

Any community, any family, any army, includes a wide range of skill
levels and abilities. None of it can work unless we learn to tolerate and
work with each others' limitations and flaws. If the man next to you in
the line thrusts clumsily, will you throw down your shield and sword and
say "That's it, I'm outa here!" and leave the rest of us to be defeated?

Come on, Sardonicus - pick up your shield and get back in the fight.
Don't leave us.

Vale,

Lucius Sergius Australicus Obstinatus

On 5/25/01 9:18 PM TSardonicus@-------- (TSardonicus@--------) wrote:

>In a message dated 5/25/01 6:51:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>TitusPollio@-------- writes:
>
>> As for the right to vote, leave it the way it currently is. It meets
>> the legal demands of most of our Macronations.
>
>The point isn't to adopt the legal requirements of most macronations for our
>own good....the point is to meet the requirements of each citizen's
>nationality while improving upon it with respect to the traditions of Roma
>Antiqua. Am I putting to fine a point on it?
>
>Vale
>

quemadnoum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est.

(A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands.)
Lucius Annaeus Seneca 4bc - 65ad

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Subject:	[novaroma] Pennsic Planing for Nova Roma
From:	asseri@--------
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 11:27:52 EDT

Greetings,
There were several persons that will be attending Pennsic who were
interested in help have a gathering. Would you contact me off the list. One
of you mentioned that you would be willing to be site host. I am will to be a
second but our group still not sure where we will be and our camp will be
huge this year.
my thanks

prima Anncina Drusila

"You have a life I have a lawn!"

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Ave Appius Tullius Cato !!
From:	"A. Cato" <a.cato@-------->
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 11:56:58 -0400

Salve Pompeia Cornelia: Your high praise of my efforts touches me deeply. I
hope that I am worthy of such praise. Both my love for Nova Roma, and
honoring the oath I took helps to make the job easier. There is still a
great deal that I have to learn as far as Excel 2000 is concerned. But I
understand the basics to the point that I am feeling more comfortable with
it. I wish to offer you a sincere thankyou for your kind words, and will
continue to do work to the best of my ability for Nova Roma.
The event at Fort Malden is something that I am really looking forward
to. Hopefully I will have appropriate attire for this gathering of Nova
Romans. But if not, I will be sure to be there anyways.
I wish you all the best. Again, thankyou very much Pompeia Cornelia.
And it is an honor to be a citizen in your provincia. And an honor to have
you as Propaetrix. Ave atque vale, ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, ...
Rogator

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To: <NovaRoma@-------->
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:19 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Ave Appius Tullius Cato !!

> Salve A. Tullius Cato et alii:
>
> Cato, you have outdone yourself in the last three elections as Rogator.
You
> have admirably filled in without objection when others were unable to
> fulfill their duties.
>
> I commend you commitment.
>
> Bene vale,
> Pompeia Cornelia
> Propraetrix Pro Temp
> Canada Orientalis......who is so proud to have Cato in her provincia
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Nova Roma Chat Room
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 14:16:53 -0400

Out of curiosity sake, why does Nova Roma not have a "real time" chat room?
This type of java chat room could make communicating with other civis easier
and MUCH more efficient then our current HTML chat room.

Hinc est mei oratio!

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Civis Canada Orientalis

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Youth in Nova Roma, Solution?
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 14:28:38 -0400

> A. Cato wrote:
>
> Response: A test such as this would certainly test one's knowledge of Roman
> History, our Nova Roma Constitution, Religion etc.
> But knowledge, although a component of wisdom, is not in itself wisdom. How
> you would test wisdom, I am not sure. I could see eighteen year olds having
> the vote. But I, and and I believe a great many others, would resist thirteen
> to sixteen year olds voting, for reasons already stated previously.

Cato, the theory is that letting a child vote once he has proven himself to
be intelligent, will build wisdom. Letting a minor take part in our politics
even in a small way such as their vote counting for less then the adult vote
should mould the already proven knowledge into a passable form of wisdom.

> I believe that this could be taken to a ridiculous level. If we are willing to
> lower the voting age to, say, fifteen, because a great many fifteen year olds
> are smart, then why not lower the voting age down to let's say, ten? I know a
> few ten year olds that are really smart. You can see where this could lead.
> How about eight year olds, as long as they are really smart of course. You can
> see how ridiculous it can get.

But you see, the test would prevent 99% of 10 year olds from passing. Though
even if the child is a genius at 10 and passes our test, did he not earn the
privilege and could make a active contribution politically to our nation?

Hinc est mei oratio!

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Civis Canada Orientalis

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Subject:	[novaroma] Word picture: Tell The Senate
From:	Bill Gawne <gawne@-------->
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 16:46:06 -0400

Salve Romani,

Today seems a fairly quiet day on the mailing list, so I shall delurk.
I'm a new citizen, as of this past week. I'm also a retired US Marine
Master Sergeant, and a few other things.

I wrote this yesterday, inspired by the approach of the US Memorial
Day on Monday. It calls up a vision that is both Roman and timeless.
I know that Nova Roma spans the world, and many political pursuasions,
I hope that the sentiment here reaches across them all.

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Tell The Senate

Far from the Tiber, on a windswept plain where the Sun shines dim
and cold, there is a place that is forever Roman.

Under the solemn watching mountain peaks, in a place where hostile
wills once clashed in awful conflict, lies a quiet place where
the survivors buried the mortal remains of their companions and
their foes.

Those whose bodies were pierced by steel, and who breathed
their last as the battle raged around them.

Those who were crushed beneath the awful engines of war.

Those who burned in the fires, fighting as long as air remained
for breath.

Those who fell on their swords, rather than be taken captive.

Those who, having survived the horrors of the day, died of wounds
and blood loss in the night.

Three granite slabs mark out the boundary of the hallowed ground,
each carved deep by hands intent on making a message for the ages.

On the first marker, Thucydides' words:

"Having done what men should do, they suffered as men must."

On the second marker, Simonedes:

"Stranger passing by
Tell the Senate where we lie.
Obedient to their will."

And on the last, simply:

PACE TACET

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The piece presented here is my original composition, though it
draws heavily from a story I co-wrote two years ago. As such,
I should acknowledge the inspiration of my friend Greg Baker,
who introduced me to Colleen McCullough's books and provided
much of the imagery which now reappears in my prose above,
including the classical quotations.

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Word picture: Tell The Senate
From:	asseri@--------
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 18:08:18 EDT

oh you left a lump in my throat and a tear.. well done

Prima Anncina Drusila

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Nova Roma Chat Room
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Sat, 26 May 2001 18:34:46 -0500 (CDT)

Salve Amuli Claudi,

> Out of curiosity sake, why does Nova Roma not have a "real time" chat room?
> This type of java chat room could make communicating with other civis easier
> and MUCH more efficient then our current HTML chat room.

We considered that, but client-side Java is not universally supported,
and many implementations are unreliable. Yahoo has a java chat that
we've used from time to time, but not everyone was able to use it.

Vale, O.

--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneum et Senator

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