| Subject: |
[novaroma] Coins...and cultural ideolgy |
| From: |
TSardonicus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 4 Jun 2001 20:03:52 EDT |
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In a message dated 6/4/01 4:33:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
cassius622@-------- writes:
> My personal feeling on the coins is that they do exactly what Roman
> coinage is supposed to do...
Salvete,
For those of you that haven't visited the site yet, these coins are simply
beautiful. I'm going to buy a bunch. One for my son's coin collection, one
for my own less-than-mint collection (as it is more sentimental than an
investment) and the rest as gifts stuffed into a bag on the top of presents
for those that will appreciate them. And, when these coins become a means of
barter, I will use them for that purpose also.
I still don't see how we went from minting coins to a debate on cultural
ideology...
I don't mean to go off on a huff here, but why is there always someone taking
potshots at every little accomplishment that happens within NR? Q: How many
Nova Romani does it take to change a light bulb? A: All of them. One to
change it and the rest to stand around and talk about how it could have been
done better.
Valete,
L. Cornelius Sardonicus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Re: Roman Paganism |
| From: |
"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 4 Jun 2001 21:34:43 -0400 |
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Salvete,
We share a lot of ancestors - more the farther back we go (generation-wise)
Vale bene,
Helena Galeria
<<<Hmmm.. Granted, I could be wrong (I often am!!), but as the current world
population is - roughly - 6 billion (6,151,715,966 as of the moment I send
this letter), I find it hard to believe that everyone on Earth only has
1.667
ancestors no longer alive. But again, I could be wrong.
Pax Vobiscum,
Julia Cassia Aurora>>>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Coins...and cultural ideolgy |
| From: |
MffnQueen@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 4 Jun 2001 20:52:29 EDT |
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<< Q: How many
Nova Romani does it take to change a light bulb? A: All of them. One to
change it and the rest to stand around and talk about how it could have been
done better. >>
You forgot:
-one to denounce the changer as a Communist Dictator
-one to defend the light bulb's right to turn the "other way"
-one to secretly create a Light Bulb Imperium
and
-ten to resign in protest of the un-Roman treatment of the light bulb (all to
return within a week)
Pax Vobiscum,
Julia Cassia Aurora
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Coins...and the cultural debate. |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Jerry=20Anguston?= <gaiussentius@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 5 Jun 2001 11:50:19 +1000 (EST) |
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Salvete omnes,
Since everyone is chipping in their bit, I suggest we
mint a coin with an image of the Emperor Trajan on it
(even though he is from the empire). And why not? He
symbolised everything a true Roman should have been
(despite some little things we may see as flaws), and
was a great man in all facets.
Valete bene,
Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura
Legatus Australia Medius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Coins... - shameless plug for back alley |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 04 Jun 2001 18:57:18 -0700 |
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on 6/4/01 5:52 PM, MffnQueen@-------- at MffnQueen@-------- wrote:
<< Q: How many
Nova Romani does it take to change a light bulb? A: All of them. One to
change it and the rest to stand around and talk about how it could have been
done better. >>
You forgot:
-one to denounce the changer as a Communist Dictator
-one to defend the light bulb's right to turn the "other way"
-one to secretly create a Light Bulb Imperium
and
-ten to resign in protest of the un-Roman treatment of the light bulb (all
to
return within a week)
Pax Vobiscum,
Julia Cassia Aurora
Ave,
Shouldn't this be more appropriate in the Back Alley? I love the
jokes...they are great!!
Let me just shamlessly plug this list...if you go to www.topica.com and do a
search for the backalley and subscribe! Its a great list to vent and have
fun with fellow citizens.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Coins...and cultural ideolgy |
| From: |
"Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 05 Jun 2001 02:52:43 -0000 |
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Salvete,
I hereby nominate both answers to this joke, along with
Draco's "Dilbertus Handbook" as candidates for submission in the
humor section of the Carmaenum...
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
--- In novaroma@--------, MffnQueen@a... wrote:
> << Q: How many
> Nova Romani does it take to change a light bulb? A: All of
them. One to
> change it and the rest to stand around and talk about how it could
have been
> done better. >>
>
> You forgot:
> -one to denounce the changer as a Communist Dictator
> -one to defend the light bulb's right to turn the "other way"
> -one to secretly create a Light Bulb Imperium
> and
> -ten to resign in protest of the un-Roman treatment of the light
bulb (all to
> return within a week)
>
> Pax Vobiscum,
> Julia Cassia Aurora
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Maps of areas |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Jerry=20Anguston?= <gaiussentius@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:18:57 +1000 (EST) |
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Salve all,
I am looking for maps with cities in Germania, as well
as areas such as those inhabited by the Roxolani,
Sarmatii, Dacians, Iazyges etc. from the Roman period.
Does anyone know where I can find something like this?
Vale bene,
Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Maps of areas |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 5 Jun 2001 07:58:47 +0100 (BST) |
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Salve
--- Jerry Anguston <gaiussentius@--------> wrote:
> Salve all,
>
> I am looking for maps with cities in Germania, as
> well
> as areas such as those inhabited by the Roxolani,
> Sarmatii, Dacians, Iazyges etc. from the Roman
> period.
> Does anyone know where I can find something like
> this?
>
> Vale bene,
>
> Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura
>
> Legatus Australia Medius
> Sacerdos Mars Invictus
Try Bill Thayer's Lacus Curtius Page about ancient
Rome, here's the map section:
http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Gazetteer/Maps/Periods/Roman/home.html
Vale
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Paterfamilias Novus |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 5 Jun 2001 08:09:28 +0100 (BST) |
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Salvete!
I hereby re-appoint Marcus Apollonius Formosanus as
Pater Familias. That is, of course, if he wishes to
accept this re-appointment. I step down because Marcus
Apollonius Formosanus is much more familiar with the
position of paterfamilias. Formosane, I await your
acceptance.
Valete
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
PS: Formosane, my offer to take over the gens website
still remains, so would you please respond to this
mather too?
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): Nonas Iunias (June 5th) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 5 Jun 2001 10:50:24 +0100 |
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Salvete omnes
This is one of the dies nefasti (N), a day on which no legal action can take
place.
On the Nonas, the rex sacrorum appears on the steps of the Capitol to
announce
the regular fixed feasts of the month.
Today is the feast of Semo Sancus (also known as Dius Fidius since the reign
of king Numa Pompilius). Semo Sancus was the principal God of the Sabines,
the equivalent of Iuppiter. The temple of Semo Sancus stands on the Quirinal
hill, south of the temple of Quirinus and adjacent to the Gate of Sancus. A
college of priests called Bidentales (the name was mysterious already for
the ancient Romans) administers His rites.
He is associated with the taking of oaths and the making of treaties, and a
common oath formula is "medius fidius" or "me dius fidius". Such oaths had
to be made 'sub divo', i.e. outdoors in view of the sky and the gods.
Valete bene in pace deorum
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Maps of areas |
| From: |
QFabiusMax@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 5 Jun 2001 06:34:05 EDT |
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In a message dated 6/4/2001 10:22:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
gaiussentius@-------- writes:
<< s well
as areas such as those inhabited by the Roxolani,
Sarmatii, Dacians, Iazyges etc. from the Roman period.
Does anyone know where I can find something like this? >>
I have something like this in the hammond historical maps series.
Fabius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Re: Roman Paganism |
| From: |
MffnQueen@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 4 Jun 2001 22:17:22 EDT |
|
In a message dated 06/04/2001 8:30:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
rckovak@-------- writes:
<< We share a lot of ancestors - more the farther back we go (generation-wise)
>>
Right, but I think if you spaced it out, we'd have a little more than 2 dead
people per every 1 living person.
Pax Vobiscum,
Julia Cassia Aurora
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Roman Paganism |
| From: |
"Marcia Columbia Rex" <marcia_columbia_rex@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 05 Jun 2001 13:19:46 -0000 |
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Having been baptized Roman Catholic before I even could have a say in
what religion I believe in, I find it no suprise that I am no longer
Christian. I have plenty of friends who are and that is their
business, not mine. As a youngster, I found the Church to be
fascinating with its pomp and ritual, but as I grew up I saw that it
was definitely a creation of MAN, not any GOD.
I presently believe in a Great Spirit that has many facets. Of these
facets, I believe that all the deities that ever have been and ever
will be all lead to this Great Spirit. Heresy? Probably. I don't
think the Great Spirit is as close-minded as many major religions
would have the Great Spirit be. I think that it is actually arrogant
to presume that there is only one legitimate way of belief and the
rest is subject to "hell and perdition".
I find that the Romans were very tolerant of other religions so long
as you acknowledged the state deities. While I understand that some
beliefs would get their undie in a bundle over this, it does make
some sense in that it proves loyalty to Rome. In this day and age,
loyalty is more often proven by being a good citizen or joining the
service. However one believes is not relevant to this, nor should it
be such a stringent requirement.
My own opinion about this matter. I will welcome any discussion with
anyone who would want to email me privately on it.
Marcia Columbia Rex
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Coins...and cultural ideolgy |
| From: |
ksterne@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 05 Jun 2001 13:51:03 -0000 |
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Q: How many
> Nova Romani does it take to change a light bulb? A: All of them.
One to
> change it and the rest to stand around and talk about how it could
have been
> done better.
>
> Valete,
> L. Cornelius Sardonicus
Well said Sardonicus! And, thanks to Marcus Cassius for his efforts
in producing the coins.
Gaius Popillius Laenas
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Coins...and lightbulbs |
| From: |
"Vaughan, Michael ST" <Michael.Vaughan@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:06:19 +0100 |
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>Gaius Popillius Laenas wrote
>> L. Cornelius Sardonicus wrote
>>Q: How many Nova Romani does it take to change a light bulb?
>>A: All of them. One to change it and the rest to stand
>> around and talk about how it could have been done better.
>Well said Sardonicus!
Q: How many Nova Romani does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: Just one. But in the good old days of the Empire,
_hundreds_ of slaves would change _thousands_ of
lightbuilds at merest whim.
(With apologies to the tv show Babylon 5).
>And, thanks to Marcus Cassius for his efforts
>in producing the coins.
They do seem pretty nifty.
-michael (mainly) Erroneous
--
"In the future everything will be decided by me." -- Gaius Julius Caesar
Senatus Populusque Romanus 2754 AUC
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Coins...a few questions |
| From: |
Yulian Vasian <imperialreign@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 5 Jun 2001 08:03:52 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salve,
Thank you for the coins. They are amazing. I could not
believe that we had the means to produce such fine
coinage. I wish to thank everyone involved with the
coinage process.
The design is stunning. I hope this starts a trend.
Thank you again.
Vale,
Marcus Bianchius Antonius
(PS. I like the idea of Scipio on a coin.)
--- Marcus Cassius Julianus <cassius622@-------->
wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> Yes, we could easily throw away the NR coins I've
> just produced, and
> go to an accurate representation of the Republican
> coinage system.
> What's a couple thousand dollars down the drain! :P
>
> Anyone who would like to provide Nova Roma with
> historically accurate
> coinage is more than welcome. I provided the coins
> now online out of
> my own pocket, and other Citizens are invited to do
> the same. All you
> need to do is notify the Senate of what you're
> producing, and Nova
> Roma will be more than happy to offer it in the
> Macellum. My guess is
> that you would even be refunded your production
> money out of sales!
> (I certainly hope to be!)
>
> As far as modern vs. ancient coinage, I did what was
> possible,
> practical and cost effective. After three years of
> searching we still
> had no means of obtaining hand-struck "official
> ancient" coinage
> produced in the ancient manner - especially in
> anything that would
> cost less than several dollars per coin! This would,
> of course, have
> made them impractical for trade.
>
> And, to those who don't like the new coinage... I
> did NOT go off and
> produce these without asking for input on the main
> list a few times.
> I asked for artwork and design help. No one except
> Q. Fabius and
> Antonius Gryllus Graecus volunteered assistance
> before the coins went
> into production. (The folks on the Latinas list were
> also helpful in
> making sure the inscriptions were in accurate
> Latin.)
>
> My personal feeling on the coins is that they do
> exactly what Roman
> coinage is supposed to do... advertise Roman
> civilization. The
> Virtues are mentioned, the symbol of Nova Roma is
> prominantly
> displayed. Iuppiter Optimus Maximus is figured on
> the obverse.
> Someone looking at these coins is going to know the
> name of our
> sovereign state, and be able to figure out what the
> inscriptions are
> about if they try. The coins are promotion for Nova
> Roma as much as
> they are trade coinage.
>
> "Ancient" coins, by contrast, usually had cryptic
> inscriptions that
> nobody but a numismatist can figure out. Not to
> mention that folks
> would be accusing us of trying to load the modern
> coin market
> with "fakes"...
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Coins...and lightbulbs |
| From: |
antoniuscorvusseptimius@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:30:44 -0000 |
|
"In the future everything will be decided by me." -- Gaius Julius
Caesar
Salvete, Did Iulius Kaisar say this? Or is it from a play?
In Roma I trust, may she shine on for eternity-
Antonius Corvus Septimius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Maps of areas |
| From: |
StarVVreck@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 5 Jun 2001 12:56:15 EDT |
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Salve!
<< I am looking for maps with cities in Germania, as well
as areas such as those inhabited by the Roxolani,
Sarmatii, Dacians, Iazyges etc. from the Roman period.
Does anyone know where I can find something like this? >>
You might try, http://www.unc.edu/depts/cl_atlas/ if you have a little bit of
money.
Vale!
Iulius Titinius Antonius
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Learning Latin |
| From: |
"A. Cato" <a.cato@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 5 Jun 2001 14:36:52 -0400 |
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Salvete Omnes: Here is another source that you may find to be of some help. http://eleaston.com/Ingr.html
Valete, A. Cato
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[novaroma] Re: Learning Latin, oops! |
| From: |
"A. Cato" <a.cato@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 5 Jun 2001 14:47:24 -0400 |
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Salvete Omnes: It appears that the web site address gets a "page not found" for some reason. Let's try this,
http://eleaston.com/ This one appears to work. When you get to the site, scroll down towards the bottom and you will see a list of languages. There appears to be quite a good listing on the Latin page that follows. Best of luck.
Valete, ... A. Cato, ... Rogator
Procurator, Canada Orientalis
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[novaroma] Re: [NovaromaApollonia] Paterfamilias Novus |
| From: |
"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 05 Jun 2001 21:22:14 +0200 |
|
Salve!
I believe I already accepted both proposals. If my letter did not reach you,
please let me know.
Gratias et vale!
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix wrote:
> Salvete!
>
> I hereby re-appoint Marcus Apollonius Formosanus as
> Pater Familias. That is, of course, if he wishes to
> accept this re-appointment. I step down because Marcus
> Apollonius Formosanus is much more familiar with the
> position of paterfamilias. Formosane, I await your
> acceptance.
>
> Valete
> Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
>
> PS: Formosane, my offer to take over the gens website
> still remains, so would you please respond to this
> mather too?
>
>
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Re: [novaroma] Re: Coins...a few questions |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:30:46 -0400 |
|
Salve civis et amicus,
I also wish to thank Marcus for creating the beautiful coins, I do intend to
purchase a few. I think this endeavour will be a great success for you and
our nation.
Hinc est mei oratio!
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Canada Orientalis Provincia
www.freehost.nu/members/canorien
--
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www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
Yulian Vasian wrote:
>
>
> Salve,
>
> Thank you for the coins. They are amazing. I could not
> believe that we had the means to produce such fine
> coinage. I wish to thank everyone involved with the
> coinage process.
> The design is stunning. I hope this starts a trend.
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[novaroma] Maximo gaudio te accipio / Welcome / Bienvenido Publius Furius Piger Lupus |
| From: |
octavianuslucius@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 05 Jun 2001 23:07:59 -0000 |
|
Latinus
Maximo gaudio te accipio civis nove argentiniensis novaromanePubli
Furi Piger Lupe. Fortunam optimam tibi exopto. Mihi libentisime est
ut civis novus argetiniensis nobis sit. Nunc provincia Argentina 9
cives habet. Spero ut mox plures cives argentinienses erimus.
Cura ut valeas
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor provinciae Argentinae
English.
Have a very warm welcome new argentine novaroman citizen Publius
Furius Piger Lupus. I wish you the best luck. It's a pleasure for me
that we have a new argentine citizen. Now Provincia Argentina has 9
citizens. I hope that soon we shall be more citizens from Argentina.
Cura ut valeas
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor provinciae Argentinae
Español.
Te doy la más cálida bienvenida nuevo ciudadano novaromano argentino
Publius Furius Piger Lupus. Te deseo la mejor de las suertes. Es un
placer para mí que tengamos un nuevo ciudadano. Ahora la provincia
Argentina tiene 9 ciudadanos. Espero que pronto seamos más ciudadanos
de Argentina.
Cura ut valeas
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Propraetor provinciae Argentinae
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Coins...and cultural ideolgy |
| From: |
"G. Noviodunus Ferriculus" <Gaius.Noviodunus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 06 Jun 2001 01:13:39 +0200 |
|
ksterne@-------- wrote:
>> Q: How many Nova Romani does it take to change a light bulb?
>> A: All of them. One to change it and the rest to stand
>> around and talk about how it could have been done better.
>> L. Cornelius Sardonicus
>
> Well said Sardonicus! And, thanks to Marcus Cassius for his efforts
> in producing the coins.
> Gaius Popillius Laenas
>
Salvete G. Popilli Laenas L. Corneli Sardoniceque,
What is wrong about discussing some topics? Isn't this the very goal
of this NR Main list?
Does your sarcasm mean, all people not saying "Aye" to everything
coming from the higher political spheres should keep their mouth and
watch? For example watch how a poor quality light bulb has to be
changed every five minutes instead of putting a good one that will
last two years? (just to address your comparison).
Actually, if you had read my post, you would have seen that I don't
have anything against coins. I do appreciate the coins we have but
I'd prefer to have them more authentic. Like for example no longer to
mention "I sestertius" since this doesn't really make sense.
Valete bene,
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Gaius Noviodunus Ferriculus
Civis Provinciae Germaniae, Regionis Superioris
Friburgii Helvetiorum
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