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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Consular Edictum: Resignation from Offices (Addendum)
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:59:48 -0400

Salve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gnaeus Salix Astur [mailto:salixastur@--------]
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:12 PM
>
> I think I can get your point; you want to make resignation from offices
> a serious issue, and not one taken lightly. However, I think that a
> "cooling-off" time could be a good idea; it has proved effective (and
> saved much trouble) in the past, so, why not keep it here as well?

I disagree, for several reasons. Resignation of an office is, to my mind, a
more serious thing than a resignation of Citizenship. When one applies for,
and is granted, Citizenship, there is very little expectation or demand
placed on the individual cive. The relationship can be as significant or as
insignificant as the cive makes it, and thus the significance or
insignificance of the decision to terminate that relationship is completely
dependent on the cive in question. Quite frankly, the Republic isn't all
that much effected by the resignation of a single cive.

On the other hand, the assumption of an office, whether elected or
appointed, represents a much deeper commitment and there is a definite
expectation of service on the part of the office-holder. Oaths are sworn,
people (whether the voters or the appointers) invest their trust and energy
in the person, and there is a not-unfounded expectation that the person so
entrusted with the office will serve in that office to the best of their
ability. To break that commitment, and violate that trust, is not a decision
to be made lightly.

I quite agree that a "cooling off" period is a good idea. However, that
cooling has to take place before the announcement of resignation is ever
made. The time for consideration is _before_ acting, not after. Once an
action has been taken, the person taking it should live up to it, and deal
with the consequences of their actions.

This edictum encourages thoughtful inner debate before acting, and forces
one to live up to the consequences of one's actions. I think that's
something worthy of encouraging.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Asellina's Caupona
From:	pcassia@--------
Date:	Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:25:30 -0000

> At Roman Days this past weekend the caupona was opened for the first time.
> It was a wonderful addition to the event and it will likely be at most if not all future
> Legio XX events.

Lucius Equitius speaks truly! Asellina's Caupona, a tavern modeled
after a woman-owned dining establishment in Pompeii, was a delightful
(and delicious!) addition to the presentation at Roman Days.

Those who are interested in light fiction may wish to check out
"Household Gods," a fantasy novel by Judith Tarr and Harry Turtledove,
in which a woman is transported (by the grace of Liber and Libera, god
and goddess of wine) from modern Los Angeles back in time to the Roman
provinces, where she is the owner of a wine shop. The authors did a
reasonable job of making the story accurate and a very good job of
bringing the time and place to life through a modern person's eyes.

Patricia Cassia

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Subject:	[novaroma] Gens Reform...Role of Mater/Paterfamilias
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:38:23 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

This is an interesting discussion, and a subject which could be prolongedly
entertained here, postwise, with seemingly nothing accomplished, except a
plethora of ideas being exchanged.

The many threads of late suggest to me that a fair number of citizens and
magistrates feel strongly about redefining the institution of Gentes, as
well as the role of mater/paterfamilias in Nova Roma.

I, for one, advocate holding as closely as possible to the traditions of
antiquity, except where doing so would prove to be grossly unreasonable,
impractical, and a general strain on us in the 21st Century.

And we have reformed to some extent from antiquity already, being that Nova
Roma has "materfamiliae" and women in office.

How does one define" grossly unreasonable, impractical, etc.?"
Well, since each of us has a varying interpretation, this is a toughie.

What I propose, is the organization of a committee, consisting of
pater/maters, a couple of pontiffs, a censor (or two?), a couple of
Senators, and 3-4 citizens to discuss this and come up with a common
statement, based on historical references, our constitution, and personal
experiences.

A committee of 10-15 people at max, I would say, but that is just my
thinking...large enough to make the committee representative of all aspects
of Nova Roma life, but not so large that a decision could not be reached.

The statement could inturn be presented to the Senate/Censores, whatever is
applicable, for formal adoption, and perhaps placement on the website.

This way our discussions would produce an end product, which could serve as
a guide to newcomers and veterans alike, on what is perceived to be the
ideals in terms of reconstructing gentes, and heads of gentes in our res
publica.

Just my two cents :)

And if somewhere along the line someone has already proposed this back in
the past, I apologize for the redundancy.

Valete
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Propraetrix pro temp
Canada Orientalis Provincia,
NOVA ROMA
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Asellina's Caupona
From:	asseri@--------
Date:	Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:46:51 EDT

Greetings
thanks for sharing the site. It is an inspiration to all.

P. A Drusila

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Subject:	[novaroma] Help with latin
From:	asseri@--------
Date:	Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:01:10 EDT

greetings,
Well, I have two things to which I ask help with. One is that I am
tired of writing "Greetings." I can't keep the tenses straight and became shy
about making an error. Not too long ago someone out of frustration made a
list of proper greetings. Does any one have that saved or be will to help
make a new list. I would like to be more comfortable with my opening and
closing of list contributions. Others might welcome this as well.

The second thing I am hoping find of the translation for the phrase
"God(s) love a cheerful giver." 20 some years ago we learned Latin by
phrases not as a language.
I can recall how "one hand washes the other" or "The mouse is not afraid of
the elephant. I can even still sing part of the "Five days of Christmas" in
Latin. I can't not recall my favorite one, however. You don't have to post to
the list for this just send it to me privately.

much thanks
P.A. Drusila

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Subject:	[novaroma] Attention Citizens Canada Orientalis
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Sat, 16 Jun 2001 03:03:15 -0000

Salvete Civites Canada Orientalis:

PLEASE (and I'm not yelling!) either subscribe to the Canada Orientalis
list, and if you are already a subscriber on web only, kindly check your
messages a little more closely for the next 7-10 days....eh??? :)

The URL for the Provincia List is:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canada_Orientalis_NR

We are discussing important issues such as:

Provincial Patron Deity (Deities?)

Fort Malden Reenactment Event this August

Citizenship Certificates

I would like your input. I would especially like to hear your input into the
issue of Provincial Deities. I will entertain any discussion on this matter
until the 24 June 2754 AUC, after which I will entertain all of the feedback
to date from the provincia, and proceed, with appropriate
pontifical/augerial guidance, to make a decision.

I would like to thank those who have been an active part of the discussion
to date.

I apologize for this intrusion to the mainlist.

Bene valete,

Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Propraetrix Canada Orientlis
NOVA ROMA

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Subject:	Re: Fwd: [novaroma] Fwd: Canada Orientalis Provincia Reenactment Gathering
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Sat, 16 Jun 2001 04:27:22 -0000

Salve Omnes: I am reposting information on the Canada Orientalis Provincial
Gathering at Fort Malden....again!!!

Why, Po, are you posting this.......again, you ask????

Well...........

In the event anyone needs me to book them a hotel room or campground, please
post me, or post to your provincial mailing list within seven days. Beyond
that, things might look pretty grim for accommodation. So, if you think you
might be attending and need a place............

AND, if you cannot stay over and you are within driving distance, come on up
for the day!!!! LET'S CELEBRATE ROMANITAS........YES!!!!!

I am making up a grass crown (as soon as I figure out what types of grass I
should use, and all that stuff) to award to what our provincia feels is the
spiffiest reenactment unit. Thought this would be a neat way to promote NR
and Militarium Romanis. The grass crown was traditionally awarded to a
soldier of Rome who engaged in acts of bravery contributing to saving a
cohorte or legion (I think I have that right, anyway......I'll get it
straight by the time of the event)

Remember........scream ASAP if you need a place.

Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia
Propraetrix pro temp
Canada Orientalis
NOVA ROMA

>From: scriba_forum@--------
>To: scriba_forum@--------
>Subject: Fwd: [novaroma] Fwd: Canada Orientalis Provincia Reenactment
>Gathering
>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 03:21:42 -0000
>
>--- > > >> >
> > > >> >Salvete Omnes!!!:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Please be advised of a Canada Orientalis-sponsored Provincial
> > >Gathering
> > > >> >planned for August of this year.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >A gathering of Nova Roma citizens is planned to meet at the
>Fort
> > >Malden,
> > > >> >Ontario Timeline Military/Historical Reenactment Event in
> >Amheartburg,
> > > >> >Ontario August 3, 4. and 5.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Where the heck is Amhearstburg??? Well, it is a town in
>Ontario
> >right
> > > >> >along the Detroit River, close to the Windsor/Detroit Border.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Some of us will be staying over, and likely some folks will
>just
> >come
> > > >>out
> > > >> >for the day.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Commander Legion XXIV MA et Praefectus Sodalitas Militarium
>Galleo
> > > >> >Marcallus Velius attends this event annually, and in keeping
>with
> >his
> > > >> >tradition, is apparently attending this year (what a
>collection of
> > > >>helmets,
> > > >> >and equipment he has...not to mention a headful of knowledge
>about
> > > >>Rome:)
> > > >> >:)
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Matter of fact, the man has BEEN to Rome!
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Anyway, Fort Malden is a reconstructed British Fort set in a
> > >campground.
> > > >> >The event has a military theme from various historical
>periods, but
> >is
> > > >>not
> > > >> >exclusive to military reenactment.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >The coordinator's quote is "we offer reenactors of all time
>periods
> >a
> > > >> >beautiful venue to do quality living history presentations for
>our
> > > >> >visitors" (the general public).
> > > >> >
> > > >> >In my estimation, this event is sadly amiss in one area:
> > > >> >THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH ROMANS!!!
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Although I intend to visit with everyone, I also intend to set
>up a
> > > >>display
> > > >> >table for Nova Roma, throw a few fliers around, some coins,
>that
> >sort
> > >of
> > > >> >thing (in proper attire, of course).
> > > >> >
> > > >> >There is no cost for us to set up a display. All they would
>like is
> >a
> > > >>few
> > > >> >pictures........Hey, like, no prob!! Fancy that.....so do I!!!
> > > >> >
> > > >> >There are campgrounds and meals available on site.....it looks
>like
> > > >>meals
> > > >> >are around $5.00. Camping is $12.00 per night, and there are
> >showers
> > > >>and
> > > >> >firewood available ).
> > > >> >
> > > >> >General admission to the public is $2.75/person
> > > >> >
> > > >> >IF THAT ISN'T YOUR CUP OF FALERNIAN........
> > > >> >
> > > >> >There are hotels in the area, ranging from $54.00 - $69.00
>single
> >and
> > > >> >$65.00 - $80.00 double. The one hotel for $65.00 has a
>kitchenette
> > >and
> > > >>two
> > > >> >double beds, so they charge $6.00 nightly per person.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Prices are all in Canadian Funds.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Hey that's cheap!!!!!! And for you American
>buddies.......well,
> >it's
> > > >>like
> > > >> >you are not paying at all!!!!
> > > >> >
> > > >> >So all you have to worry about is getting yourselves on up
>here to
> > >have
> > > >>a
> > > >> >bit of fun. Amhearstburg is easily accessed from Lacus Magnii
> Nova
> > > >> >Britannia, and in some cases Mediatlantica et Canada
> > > >> >Occidentalis........HINT.......HINT !!!!!!
> > > >> >
> > > >> >This could really be a BLAST!!!
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I would like to know who is coming, what days you are coming,
>what
> > >kind
> > > >>of
> > > >> >accommodation you are looking at, by June 15, because I would
>like
> >to
> > > >>book
> > > >> >the hotel rooms in advance to ensure we have them, plus
>campgrounds,
> > > >>plus
> > > >> >there is an application to fill out. I actually have til mid
>July
> >to
> > >do
> > > >> >application, but hmm, to get a hotel room or a camp spot is
> >something
> > >I
> > > >> >hesitate to leave too long. What I am saying IS...you are
>taking
> >your
> > > >> >chances by letting me know too much later than June 15.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Apparently, we can show up at Fort Malden anytime after noon
>on
> >Friday
> > > >> >August 3.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >If you have any further questions, please contact me at the
>above
> > > >>address,
> > > >> >and I shall get back to you ASAP......
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I will repost this information near the end of May to remind
>you
> >all.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Wouldn't this be nice if we could make this an ANNUAL event??
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Oh Boy!!!
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Bene vale,
> > > >> >Pompeia Cornelia
> > > >> >Propraetrix, pro temp
> > > >> >Canada Orientalis
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
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Subject:	[novaroma]
From:	"Sebastyen Uriel Storm" <sstorm1@-------->
Date:	Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:26:09 -0500

I anyone has received an email from me in the last 15 minutes, please delete it if it has an attatchment.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: M/Paterfamilias Accountability
From:	"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@-------->
Date:	Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:56:21 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> wrote:
SNIP
> I don't think this is necessary, however. Maybe a pater/mater should
> loose their title in favour of other member of their gens (or familia)
> if they did not respond to, say, three calls for contact from the
> censores. This would reduce much innecessary fuss.
>
Salve,

The reason I favor an annual registration is it will do more than just
getting rid of Inactive Paters/Maters. It will give the Censores the
oppertunity to update information like e-mail addresses, Snail-mail
addresses, Phone numbers, Gens Websites and Gens mailing lists that a
Pater may have forgotten to send in durring the year.

I Realize that annual registration of the Paters/Maters is NOT
historicly accurate. In Antiquita the Pater would admit a new member
of his family personly, However since we do the admissions through the
Internet by way of the Censores' Office, it is vital for the Censores
to have up to date information on the Gens.

Vale,
L. Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Asellina's Caupona
From:	"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@-------->
Date:	Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:38:12 -0400

Salvete,

I, too, would like to state how wonderful the Caupona was. It added
immensely to the atmosphere of Roman Days, plus the honey-dates & stuffed
grape leaves were just to die for.

Congratulations on a great job!

Valete,
Helena Galeria

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Asellina's Caupona
From:	patrickius@--------
Date:	Sat, 16 Jun 2001 09:09:37 EDT

I don't know why but I can not access the sight, any ideas?

Cum Gratia,

Patricius Vitruvius Iulianus,

Civis Novae Romae.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Gens Reform...Role of Mater/Paterfamilias
From:	"Decimus Iunius Silanus" <danedwardsuk@-------->
Date:	Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:11:59 +0100

Salve Pompeia Cornelia.

Pompeia Cornelia wrote:

>What I propose, is the organization of a committee, consisting of
>pater/maters, a couple of pontiffs, a censor (or two?), a couple of
>Senators, and 3-4 citizens to discuss this and come up with a common
>statement, based on historical references, our constitution, and personal
>experiences.

>A committee of 10-15 people at max, I would say, but that is just my
>thinking...large enough to make the committee representative of all aspects
>of Nova Roma life, but not so large that a decision could not be reached.

>The statement could inturn be presented to the Senate/Censores, whatever is
>applicable, for formal adoption, and perhaps placement on the website.

I for one think this is a great idea. As you say, this current debate is bringing up a lot of issues and some great ideas but at the same time an awful lot of opposing opinions and consequantly the various arguments all seem to be going nowhere at present. A committee or commission (the formation of which I believe would not be without precedent in the ancient res publica) could indeed help to resolve some of these issues and move the debate forward. However, the question of how a legal commission could be implemented within the current constitution needs to be addressed. I'm sure that its formation would require the passing of a lex.

In addition, I foresee the possibility of an entire new debate as to which individuals would sit on the committee.

Onwards and upwards eh.

Vale,

Decimus Iunius Silanus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Gens Reform...Role of Mater/Paterfamilias
From:	"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@-------->
Date:	Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:42:27 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:

SNIP
>
> What I propose, is the organization of a committee, consisting of
> pater/maters, a couple of pontiffs, a censor (or two?), a couple of
> Senators, and 3-4 citizens to discuss this and come up with a common
> statement, based on historical references, our constitution, and
personal
> experiences.
>
> A committee of 10-15 people at max, I would say, but that is just my
> thinking...large enough to make the committee representative of all
aspects
> of Nova Roma life, but not so large that a decision could not be
reached.
>
> The statement could inturn be presented to the Senate/Censores,
whatever is
> applicable, for formal adoption, and perhaps placement on the website.
>

Salve,

An excellent idea.
Since this would touch on the Censores duties more than any other
magistrate, I think than it would be proper for this comittee to be
formed by a Censorial edictia.

Vale,
L. Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Gens Reform...Role of Mater/Paterfamilias
From:	Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs <iasonvs_serenvs@-------->
Date:	Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:02:06 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete omnes.

Greetings from this side of the morning. On the
following matter:
--- Pompeia Cornelia <scriba_forum@--------> wrote:

"What I propose, is the organization of a committee,
consisting of pater/maters, a couple of pontiffs, a
censor (or two?), a couple of Senators, and 3-4
citizens to discuss this and come up with a common
statement, based on historical references, our
constitution, and personal experiences.

"A committee of 10-15 people at max, I would say, but
that is just my thinking...large enough to make the
committee representative of all aspects of Nova Roma
life, but not so large that a decision could not be
reached."

Pompeia Cornelia has offered an excellent place to
start. In reading her post, a number of names came to
mind, names associated with this thread of discussion.
Although this cannot function as an official
nomination, I would like to bring to the attention of
the citizens and the Censors the names of the persons
I believe would be competent to the task.

Pompeia Cornelia, Propraetor
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, Censor
Lucius Sicinius Drusus
Gnaeus Salix Astur
Marcus Octavius Germanicus, Curator Araneae
Marcus Minucius Audens, Proconsul
Antonius Gryllus Graecus, Pontifex
...to name several, but to exclude none

Humbly,

Serenvs

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"Time is a game played beautifully by children."
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Subject:	[novaroma] Moving to Brasilia
From:	"Lucius Gryllus Agrippa" <praetor@-------->
Date:	Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:15:56 -0300

Salvete omnes,

I requested my citizenship to a Gens (Grylla), which is located in
Lusitania. However, as I live in Brasil, I would like to change so a gens
located in Brasilia. So:

1- I would like to know which are the Brasilian gentes who are truelly
active and are accepting new members.

2- How can I move from a gens to other? I have to fill another registration
form or something like this? Or I have to contact someone.

Thank you very much for helping!
Regards,

Lucius (Gryllus) Agrippa
Icq: 6749772

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Slaves (was RE: Gens reform)
From:	Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs <iasonvs_serenvs@-------->
Date:	Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:53:59 -0700 (PDT)

--- Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> wrote:
> Salvete omnes; et salve, Consul Germanice.
>
> --- Flavius Vedius Germanicus
> <germanicus@--------> wrote:
>
> <<snipped>>
>
> > Now, if we were to expand our recruiting efforts
> into the "lifestyle
> > D/S"
> > community, we might be able to get that
> alternative revenue stream
> > going...
> > ;-)
>
> I beg your pardon, but... What does "lifestyle D/S"
> mean?
>
D/S: Dominance and Submission, sex games.
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Help with latin
From:	"Domna Claudia Auspicata" <comptess@-------->
Date:	Sun, 17 Jun 2001 08:21:51 +1200

Salve P.A. Drusila

Here is a copy of the first lesson found at the Schola Latina List archives created by M. Apollonius Formosanus.

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This following lesson deals in Informal Salutations for your interest...

Vale bene
Domna Claudia Auspicata

----- Original MessagNR PRACTICAL LATIN: Informal Salutations

In Nova Roman e-mail messages it is common to use Latin
salutations. These normally begin with "Salve" (SAHL-way) in
the singular and "Salvete" (sahl-WAY-tay) in the plural.
This word ("salvere") means to be well, and these forms are
imperative. Latin, unlike English, has different imperative
forms in singular and plural, depending on how many people
you are giving your command to.

Following this there is the name or title of the person
or persons being addressed. This word or these words are in
the Vocative Case (Casus Vocativus). The Vocative is used
for anyone or anything we are speaking to. In English there
is no special form to indicate this. {Sometimes poets and
orators will still put an "O" in front of the vocative word,
however: "O Citizens!" This is in imitation of Latin, which
also often adds the same "O": "O Romani!"}

In Latin there is also usually no change of form from
the Nominative (the case that we normally write our names
in). However, there are three special cases - two very
common ones - when the ending is not the same as the
Nominative, and that is the trick to getting this right.

Masculine names of people usually end in "-US". These
endings must be changed to "-E". So, you say to me *not*
"Salve, Marcus!" but "Salve, Marce!" And "Salvete Brute,
Feste, Maxime, Traiane!"

Another special case with men in the singular is those
names ending in "-IUS". For these the "-US" is simply
dropped off, leaving "-I" at the end. "Salve, Corneli!" Note
that also "Gaius" becomes "Gai" in the same manner. [And in
the fairly rare case of names ending in -AUS (one syllable),
the form changes to -AE, pronouced here as two syllables:
Salvete Venceslae, Nicolae, Iaroslae!]

That is all there is to it! All other forms, those not
ending in a -US, have no special forms in either single or
plural. So, "Salvete Iuppiter, Apollo, Iulia, Pontifex,
Quirites, Novoromani, Consul, Censor, Sulla, Praetor!"

Add a "Vale!" (WAH-lay) or "Valete! (wah-LAY-tay) (from
"valere" to be hale and strong) at the end, write your
signature in the normal, unchanged Nominative, and you have
a message with a nice Latin flavour, suitable for the Nova
Roman list.

Valete!
e -----

From: asseri@--------
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 3:01 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Help with latin

greetings,
Well, I have two things to which I ask help with. One is that I am
tired of writing "Greetings." I can't keep the tenses straight and became shy
about making an error. Not too long ago someone out of frustration made a
list of proper greetings. Does any one have that saved or be will to help
make a new list. I would like to be more comfortable with my opening and
closing of list contributions. Others might welcome this as well.

The second thing I am hoping find of the translation for the phrase
"God(s) love a cheerful giver." 20 some years ago we learned Latin by
phrases not as a language.
I can recall how "one hand washes the other" or "The mouse is not afraid of
the elephant. I can even still sing part of the "Five days of Christmas" in
Latin. I can't not recall my favorite one, however. You don't have to post to
the list for this just send it to me privately.

much thanks
P.A. Drusila

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Consular Edictum: Resignation from Offices (Addendum)
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:43:36 -0700 (PDT)

Salve, Consul Germanice.

--- Flavius Vedius Germanicus <germanicus@--------> wrote:

<<snipped>>

> I quite agree that a "cooling off" period is a good idea. However,
> that
> cooling has to take place before the announcement of resignation is
> ever
> made. The time for consideration is _before_ acting, not after. Once
> an
> action has been taken, the person taking it should live up to it, and
> deal
> with the consequences of their actions.

I agree with you that this kind of decisions should not be taken
lightly. However, sometimes emotions run high, and people say and do
things that they regret on second thought.

> This edictum encourages thoughtful inner debate before acting, and
> forces
> one to live up to the consequences of one's actions. I think that's
> something worthy of encouraging.

It is certainly worthy of encouragement. However, when someone resigns
(especially if he or she makes an unmeditated decision), they are not
thinking about coming back; they are not thinking on the consecuences.
Surely they should, but they won't.

So, if someone is prone to take quick decisions (and we have already
seen a few of these regretted resignations), they won't be stopped by
this edictum. This edictum will simply make more difficult to correct
that mistake.

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Gens Reform...Role of Mater/Paterfamilias
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:50:48 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete omnes; et salve, amica Pompeia.

--- Pompeia Cornelia <scriba_forum@--------> wrote:

<<snipped>>

> I, for one, advocate holding as closely as possible to the traditions
> of
> antiquity, except where doing so would prove to be grossly
> unreasonable,
> impractical, and a general strain on us in the 21st Century.

This is my personal belief as well.

<<snipped>>

> What I propose, is the organization of a committee, consisting of
> pater/maters, a couple of pontiffs, a censor (or two?), a couple of
> Senators, and 3-4 citizens to discuss this and come up with a common
> statement, based on historical references, our constitution, and
> personal
> experiences.
>
> A committee of 10-15 people at max, I would say, but that is just my
> thinking...large enough to make the committee representative of all
> aspects
> of Nova Roma life, but not so large that a decision could not be
> reached.
>
> The statement could inturn be presented to the Senate/Censores,
> whatever is
> applicable, for formal adoption, and perhaps placement on the
> website.
>
> This way our discussions would produce an end product, which could
> serve as
> a guide to newcomers and veterans alike, on what is perceived to be
> the
> ideals in terms of reconstructing gentes, and heads of gentes in our
> res
> publica.
>
> Just my two cents :)

I fully support this idea, knowing that the proposed formation of that
commitee directly excludes me from it. I would like to propose that L.
Sicinius Drusus be a member of that commitee; he has proved to have a
deep knowledge of the related historical facts.

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Slaves (was RE: Gens reform)
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:21:42 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete omnes; et salve, amice Iasone.

--- Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs <iasonvs_serenvs@--------> wrote:
>
> --- Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes; et salve, Consul Germanice.
> >
> > --- Flavius Vedius Germanicus
> > <germanicus@--------> wrote:
> >
> > <<snipped>>
> >
> > > Now, if we were to expand our recruiting efforts
> > into the "lifestyle
> > > D/S"
> > > community, we might be able to get that
> > alternative revenue stream
> > > going...
> > > ;-)
> >
> > I beg your pardon, but... What does "lifestyle D/S"
> > mean?
> >
> D/S: Dominance and Submission, sex games.

Thank you, Iasone.

BTW, it seems that many citizens know what this means, and I think it
is not because they learnt it playing Trivial Pursuit.

Doesn't it sound slightly suspicious? ;-).

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules.

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Consular Edictum: Resignation from Offices (Addendum)
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:40:00 -0400

Salve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gnaeus Salix Astur [mailto:salixastur@--------]
> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:44 PM
>
> So, if someone is prone to take quick decisions (and we have already
> seen a few of these regretted resignations), they won't be stopped by
> this edictum. This edictum will simply make more difficult to correct
> that mistake.

I would suggest that if magistrates are inclined to make such rash
decisions, that's a fact that the People should have an opportunity to
consider. Under the recent edictum, the People are indeed given that
opportunity; rather than merely automatically being reinstated, the resignee
must once again seek the trust and permission of the People who elected him
before. If it is their will to ignore his rash decision and restore the
individual, so be it and all well and good. However, I think the People
should be given the opportunity to take such a drastic and hasty action into
consideration (when they most likely would not have known of such a
disposition beforehand), and express their will through a new election.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

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