| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Slaves (was RE: Gens reform) |
| From: |
Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs <iasonvs_serenvs@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 17 Jun 2001 17:17:46 -0700 (PDT) |
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Standing before the assembled congregations and
Cardinals, Serenvs feigns a tremoring slip of the hand
to his brow. He bows to the sanguine shrouded
Fathers, muttering under his breath, "Si muove..."
--- Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> wrote:
> Salve, amice Iasone.
>
> Gn. Salix Astur:
> > > Thank you, Iasone.
> > >
> > > BTW, it seems that many citizens know what this
> > > means, and I think it
> > > is not because they learnt it playing Trivial
> > > Pursuit.
> > >
> > > Doesn't it sound slightly suspicious? ;-).
>
> Iasonus Serenus Carolus:
> > me not guilty, no no no, mi inquisitore!!!
>
> All right. It seems that your soul can still be
> saved. If you tell me
> the names of your accomplices, and you repent of
> your past deeds, I
> might not reveal your name to the Santo Oficio.
>
> ;-P
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Happy Fathers'/Pater's Day :) |
| From: |
"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 01:54:55 -0000 |
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Salvete Omnes:
Although the Fathers' Day tradition, atleast to my knowledge, was not born
of our Roman Culture, it is well within the Roman Culture to pay honour to
one's Paterfamilias.
So.......I wish my Pater, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, good fortune and
happiness on this special day, dedicated to fathers and all the good they
do.
Ave Cornelia!!
Pompeia Cornelia
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Provincia Italia web-site |
| From: |
"Marcos Boehme" <m_arminius@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 02:52:24 -0300 |
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Salve, Gai Quirine
--
On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:38:35
gaius_quirinus wrote:
>Salvete Omnes!
>somebody knows if Provincia Itala has a web-site?
>thanks
>Vale
>Gaius Quirinus Italicus Caesar
>--ROMA NUNC ET SEMPER--
No, unluckly the Provincia Italia, the biggest European province of Nova Roma, doesnt have a Propraetor (governor) and so, there aint a official web-site... hope that someone offers to organize this important province.
Vale
Marcus Arminius Maior
Aedilis Plebis
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Image hunting |
| From: |
"Sebastyen Uriel Storm" <sstorm1@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:01:37 -0500 |
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Salvete Omnes,
I am looking for a good image of the roman eagle, can anyone out there point me in the right direction?
Vale,
DECIVS CORNELIVS SEPULCHATIVS
=========^=====================
LEGATVS
LEGIO XXXI - AQVILAE
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Image hunting |
| From: |
"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:38:24 -0000 |
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--- In novaroma@--------, "Sebast--------Uriel Storm" <sstorm1@a...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I am looking for a good image of the roman eagle, can anyone out
there point me in the right direction?
>
> Vale,
>
> DECIVS CORNELIVS SEPULCHATIVS
> =========^=====================
> LEGATVS
> LEGIO XXXI - AQVILAE
>
Salve Deci Corneli,
This page,
http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Roman/RomanSites*/Topics/General.html
is an index of Roman sites, but the image at the top is a black and
white drawing of a 60-as gold coin with the Roman Eagle on a thunderbolt.
Hope it helps,
Vale,
L. Sicinius Drusus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Image hunting |
| From: |
TSardonicus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:44:07 EDT |
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<< --- In novaroma@--------, "Sebast--------Uriel Storm" <sstorm1@a...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I am looking for a good image of the roman eagle, can anyone out
there point me in the right direction?
>
Take a good look at the back of a pre-2000 US quarter <grin>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: The Eagle |
| From: |
rckovak@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:00:24 -0000 |
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Salve,
That would be me - Helena Galeria - I haven't recieved any
notification but send me your info (snail mail address) to my email
above and I will add you to the Eagle list. I am late with the
newsletter this month (recovering from Roman Days & dealing with the
Solstice - sorry ) but it will be going out the middle of the week.
The address/name on the Nova Roma site is out-dated, unfortunately.
Vale ben,
Helena Galeria
> Whats the email contact of the citizen in charge of The Eagle
newsletter? I
> mailed a check for a 2 year subscription to the address provided
with the
> filled out order form. I have not started to receive the
publication yet,
> nor has the check shown up on monthly statement.
>
> Vale,
>
> Iulius Titinius Antonius
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Magistrate Resignations |
| From: |
ksterne@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:09:07 -0000 |
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Salvete Omnes,
I have to say I disagree with our esteement Consul and agree with
Gnaeus Salix on the matter of Magistrate resignations.
I agree that resignation of an office is a serious matter and that
one SHOULD do his or her deep thinking before making an announcement
of resignation. But, I also know that people being people make
mistakes. Decisions will be made in the heat of emotions that will
later be regretted. Magistrates, although held to a higher standard,
are not immune. We have all seen such in the past.
I do not believe a nine day cooling off period is excessive. We
already have a lex regarding citizenship resignation and we have
precedent for resumption of office if the resignee was a Magistrate.
IMO we do not need an edict or a lex on this issue. Past practice
and tradition can govern, and we can avoid additional elections.
With all respect.
Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Slaves (was RE: Gens reform) |
| From: |
Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:08:55 -0700 (PDT) |
|
--- Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs <iasonvs_serenvs@--------> wrote:
> Standing before the assembled congregations and
> Cardinals, Serenvs feigns a tremoring slip of the hand
> to his brow. He bows to the sanguine shrouded
> Fathers, muttering under his breath, "Si muove..."
Tsk, tsk.
I see you are not repenting with your full heart. I would advice you to
reconsider your position...
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Eagle |
| From: |
bsmith3121@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:22:50 EDT |
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Salve,
I have not seen an e-mail address. I have only seen the snail-mail address.
I'll see what I can find and let you know.
Vale,
Caius Titinius Varus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: The Eagle |
| From: |
rckovak@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:24:02 -0000 |
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Salvete,
Official EMail address of The Eagle:
rckovak@--------
Valete,
Helena Galeria
Curator Differium
>
> I have not seen an e-mail address. I have only seen the snail-mail
address.
> I'll see what I can find and let you know.
>
> Vale,
>
> Caius Titinius Varus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: The Eagle |
| From: |
"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:23:56 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, rckovak@e... wrote:
> Salve,
> That would be me - Helena Galeria - I haven't recieved any
> notification but send me your info (snail mail address) to my email
> above and I will add you to the Eagle list. I am late with the
> newsletter this month (recovering from Roman Days & dealing with the
> Solstice - sorry ) but it will be going out the middle of the week.
> The address/name on the Nova Roma site is out-dated, unfortunately.
>
> Vale ben,
> Helena Galeria
>
> > Whats the email contact of the citizen in charge of The Eagle
> newsletter? I
> > mailed a check for a 2 year subscription to the address provided
> with the
> > filled out order form. I have not started to receive the
> publication yet,
> > nor has the check shown up on monthly statement.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Iulius Titinius Antonius
Salvete,
Why not just set up the Eagle subscriptions where it can be done
on-line and paid for with Paypal? It would probely result in more
subscriptions.
Valete,
L. Sicinius Drusus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Citizenship Diploma Idea |
| From: |
"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:45:27 -0000 |
|
Salvete Omnes:
I just had the pleasure of chatting on the telephone with my Provincial
Retarius Officium, Amulius Claudius Petrus.
I proposed to him a few thoughts on the Citizenship Diplomas, and I wanted
to run these thoughts by the populace.
There has been much discussion about offering the diplomas in various
languages.
While this is a very desirable notion superficially, it might affect
production of the diplomas in the following ways:
The margin for error increases, due to having to print these in 6 or 7
different languages.
The cost of production increases, as printing in large quantities goes out
the window, by virtue of less numbers of certificates being done for each of
the different languages in question.
In my opinion, the solution is plain: We are Romans, right? I think the
diplomas would be equally meaningful to everyone in Nova Roma if they were
printed in LATIN!!
I feel, that the Latin Diploma hanging on one's wall, would generate as much
attention as a Diploma worded in ones native tongue. People will not
understand what is written, and they will ask "Hey, what is this, anyway?"
And you can tell them all about Nova Roma :)
Also, the entire presentation of a diploma in Latin would be so very Roman
and authentic looking.
And, it would be very easy to aquire the appropriate Latin verbage for the
certificate (we have a whole Sodalitas dedicated to this pursuit), and the
translation is really only a request away.
What do you all think about this, fellow Novae Romae? If you don't like this
notion, I would rather hear "Po, that idea is really a groaner", than
nothing at all. So let us know whatcha think........K????
Nothing is etched in stone yet, we are just fishing for ideas to come up
with a product that is reasonably inexpensive to produce and desirable to
the citizens.
Bene valete!
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Propraetrix, Canada Orientalis
NOVA ROMA
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Changing the Constitution II: Provincial Governors |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:03:28 -0400 |
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Flavius Vedius Germanicus novaromanis S.P.D.
As promised, here is the draft of the second lex to alter the Constitution,
which I intend to put to a vote in the Comitia Centuriata this summer. This
one is intended to make the administration of provincia more flexible; right
now, the Constitution is very strict about titles and limited what sort of
appointments governors and the Senate can make. At the time it seemed like a
good thing to specify all that detail, but in practice both the Senate and
the governors need more flexibility in the organization of the provincia.
-----
I. This lex is hereby enacted to enable governors and the Senate more
flexibility in establishing and maintaining the administrative institutions
and mechanisms of provincia.
II. Paragraph V.C. of the Constitution of Nova Roma is hereby altered to
read as follows:
] C. The Senate may, by Senatus Consultum, create provincia
] for administrative purposes and appoint provincial
] governors therefor, who shall bear such titles as the
] Senate may deem appropriate. The Senate may review each
] governor on a yearly basis and it remains in the
] discretion of the Senate whether or not to prorogue such
] governors, although this review shall not constitute a
] ban on the authority of the Senate to remove governors
] from office as its discretion. Governors shall have the
] following honors, powers, and obligations:
] 1. To hold imperium and have the honor of being preceeded
] by six lictors solely within the jurisdiction of their
] provincia;
] 2. To proclaim those edicta (edicts) necessary to engage
] in those tasks which advance the mission and function
] of Nova Roma, solely within the jurisdiction of their
] provincia (such edicts being binding upon themselves
] as well as others);
] 3. To manage the day-to-day organization and
] administration of their provincia;
] 4. To appoint officers to whom authority may be delegated,
] subject to those restrictions and standards as the
] Senate shall deem appropriate.
-----
Initially, existing governors would of course retain whatever titles they
currently bear (the vast majority would still be propraetor). However, a
need has been seen for flexibility in granting governors' titles, and
paragraph C would simply allow the Senate to create alternate titles if
needed. It's something that came up before, but we were bound by the
restrictions of the Constitution as it's currently written.
In regards to paragraph C.4., this would give the legal imprimature for what
is already happening in practice; the appointment of provincial officers
other than legati (quaestores, scriba, sacerdotes, etc. etc. etc.) which
currently isn't technically Constitutional. The "restrictions and standards"
specifically refers to the need for bonding of provincial quaestores; that
will be something I'll be pushing for if this amendment is passed (as it
stands, right now governors aren't technically allowed to appoint quaestores
at all!). It also allows for the possibility of putting together a broad and
comprehensive system of provincial administration sometime in the future
(which is not something I plan on bringing up this year, but which may very
well be something we'll want to do down the line).
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Citizenship Diploma Idea |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:08:10 -0400 |
|
Salve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pompeia Cornelia [mailto:scriba_forum@--------]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 3:45 PM
>
> In my opinion, the solution is plain: We are Romans, right? I think the
> diplomas would be equally meaningful to everyone in Nova Roma if
> they were printed in LATIN!!
I quite agree. Let us issue the diplomas in Latin; that is quite
appropriate. After all, it worked for the coins... :-)
Vale,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
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AIM: Flavius Vedius
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Changing the Constitution I (ver. 2): Age of Citizenship |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:52:20 -0400 |
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Flavius Vedius Germanicus novaromanis S.P.D.
Here I present a second draft of the proposed legislation to allow young
persons to hold Citizenship in Nova Roma. I would like to heartily thank all
those who participated in the discussion on this topic, and look forward to
more input on this draft.
-----
I. This lex is hereby enacted to amend the Constitution of Nova Roma in such
manner as to extend the rights of Citizenship to persons who are not sui
juris in their domicile, and to undertake alterations to Constitutional
mechanisms and institutions appropriate to such a change.
II. Paragraph II.A. of the Constitution is hereby altered to read as
follows:
] A. Citizenship
] 1. Any person 18 years old or older may apply for Citizenship.
] 2. Any person under the age of 18 may, with the written permission
] of their parent or legal guardian according to relevant
] macronational law, apply for Citizenship.
] a. The Censors shall establish the specific text required to
] establish parental/guardian permission and make such available
] to prospective Citizens.
] b. Permission forms shall be filed with the Censors, who shall
] maintain such records until the Citizen reaches the age of 18.
] 3. Citizens' children under the age of 18 may be granted
] Citizenship themselves, upon application for such by their
] parent or legal guardian, as defined by relevant macronational
] law. Children of Citizens shall not require written permission
] as described in paragraph II.A.2. above.
] 4. Citizenship is open to anyone regardless of ethnic heritage,
] gender, religious affiliation, or sexual orientation.
] 5. Citizenship may be involuntarily revoked by those means that
] shall be established by law, or may be voluntarily relinquished
] by notification of the censors or by public statement before
] three or more witnesses.
] 6. Citizens under the age of 18 may have their Citizenship
] relinquished on their behalf by their parent or legal guardian,
] as defined by relevant macronational law, by notification of the
] censors or by public statement before three or more witnesses.
III. Paragraph II.B. of the Constitution is hereby altered to read as
follows:
] B. The following rights of the Citizens who have reached the age of
] 18 shall be guaranteed, but this enumeration shall not be taken
] to exclude other rights that citizens may possess:
IV. Paragraph II.D.3. of the Constitution is hereby altered to read as
follows:
] 3. Each gens shall, through whatever means it may determine
] appropriate, have a paterfamilias (fem. materfamilias) who
] shall act as the leader of the gens and speak for it when
] necessary. The holder of this position must be registered
] as such with the censors. The paterfamilias may, at his or
] her discretion, expel members of their gens, or accept new
] members into it.
] a. The paterfamilias may, at his discretion, exercise the
] rights ennumerated in paragraph II.B. of this Constitution
] on behalf of Citizens in their gens under the age of 18,
] with the exception of the right to vote (paragraph II.B.3.)
] and the right to join the Ordo Equester (paragraph II.B.8.).
] b. No one under the age of 18 may become paterfamilias of a
] gens.
-----
Basically, I've upped the age to 18 and included a clause that the Censores
will create the permission slip for parents to sign. This way, we can
include a specific clause to the effect of "I acknowledge my child may be
exposed to, and participate in, discussions and activities related to the
pre-Christian pagan religion of ancient Rome, the Religio Romana," or
something to that effect. That seemed to be the big problem many people had
with allowing underage cives whose parents weren't also cives; hopefully the
spectre of "stealth paganism" will be lessened. I also fixed the rewrite of
paragraph II.D.3.a. so that it makes sense now. :-)
As always, comments are welcome.
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Citizenship Diploma Idea |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:15:19 +0200 |
|
>In my opinion, the solution is plain: We are Romans, right? I think the
>diplomas would be equally meaningful to everyone in Nova Roma if they were
>printed in LATIN!!
>
>I feel, that the Latin Diploma hanging on one's wall, would generate as much
>attention as a Diploma worded in ones native tongue. People will not
>understand what is written, and they will ask "Hey, what is this, anyway?"
>And you can tell them all about Nova Roma :)
>
>Also, the entire presentati on of a diploma in Latin would be so very Roman
>and authentic looking.
Salve Illustrus Propraetrix Pompeia Cornelia Strabo!
You asked! So this is my answer: I agree 100%. Keep up the good work!
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] De Lingua Gentium |
| From: |
gaius_quirinus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:20:45 -0000 |
|
Gaius Quirinus Italicus Caesar, cives Novae Romae, Quiritibus SPD
VERSIONE ITALIANA
Cittadini di Nova Roma, illustri Magistrati, augusti membri del
Senato, nonostante sia un cittadino privato, da poco entrato di
diritto in Nova Roma con la piena cittadinanza, vi chiedo di
ascoltarmi e di leggere attentamente quanto segue, anche se potrà
sembrare ai più noioso o ripetitivo come discorso; nella nostra
Repubblica, più precisamente nella sua lingua, c'è un problema, che
forse già altri hanno esposto, ma che io sento il dovere di ribadire.
Non voglio con questa mia dare colpe, accusare qualcuno sminuire il
lavoro del Curator Arenaeum ma voglio solo portare alla vostra
attenzione un punto che manca per poter dire che Nova Roma cerca al
cento per cento di ricreare l'atmosfera della Roma Classica-
Repubblicana: il latino.
Io sono un italiano, un romano e nel mio sangue posso vantare lo
stesso sangue di personaggi celeberrimi tra cui Marco Antonio, in
quanto tale mi sento sminuito nel vedere che la lingua di una `si
grande organizzazione qual è la nostra, la lingua principale è
l'inglese e non il latino; non voglio affatto sminuire l'importanza
dell'inglese, che oggi è la lingua più parlata al mondo, ma perché
non affiancare ad essa anche la lingua ufficiale di ciò che noi ci
ripromettiamo di far rinascere? Perché non permettere ad un italiano
che non sa l'inglese ma che ha fatto studi, cosiddetti "Classici", di
poter tranquillamente dialogare con un Brasiliano o uno Statunitense
o un Tedesco? Perché non permettergli di poter esprimere le sue idee
tranquillamente, senza dover andare a ripescare regole che
probabilmente non riuscirà a ricordarsi? Naturalmente in pochi
potranno esprimersi bene come Cicerone, Cesare ed altri, ma nessuno è
qui per giudicare come gli altri si esprimono ma siamo qui per
ascoltare e discutere su ciò che più ci sta caro: Roma e la sua
Cultura
È ovvio che qualcuno dirà: "Perché, visto che sei così bene
intenzionato, non lo fai tu?", gli rispondo soltanto questo: lo farò,
ma non da solo, perché mi auguro ci sia qualcuno che conosca il
latino bene molto più di me.
Vi chiedo quindi di pensare bene a ciò che ho scritto fin ora e a
dirmi cosa pensate di una possibile versione bilingue di
www.novaroma.org.
Grazie
Vale
Gaius Quirinus Italicus Caesar
--Nihil amorem Romam superare potest:Roma nunc et sempre!--
ENGLISH TRANSLATION
Citizens of Nova Rome, illustrious Magistrates, august members of the
Senate, in spite of are a private citizen, from little entered of
right in Nova Rome with the full citizenship, I ask to you for
listen me and reading how much carefully it follows, even if it will
be able to seem to the more repetitive boring or like speech;
perhaps in our Republic, more just in its language, it's a problem,
than already others has exposed, but that I feel the duty to rivet.
I do not want with this my debit faults, to accuse someone to
diminish the job of the Curator Arenaeum but I want to only carry to
your attention a point that lacks for being able to say that Nova
Rome tries to the hundreds for hundreds to recreate the atmosphere of
the Rome Classical-Republican: the Latin. I am an Italian, a Roman
and in my blood I can boast the same blood of personages of great
renown between which Marco Antonio, in how much such one I feel
myself belittled in seeing that the language of a so great
organization which is ours, the main language is the English and not
Latin; I do not want at all to belittled the importance of English,
than today more speech to the world is the language, but because not
to place side by side to it also the official language of that we
intend to make oneself to
reborn. Because not to allow to an Italian who does not know the
English but that it has made studies, so-called Classic, of calmly
being able to converse with a Brazilian or one American or a German?
Why not let him of being able to express its ideas calmly, without
having to go to find again rules that probably will not remember?
Naturally in little they will be able to
express well like Cicero, Caesar and others, but nobody is here in
order to judge like the others is expressed but we are here in order
to listen and to discuss on that more there is beloved: Rome and its
Culture Is obvious that someone will say: inasmuch as six therefore
intentioned well, you do not make it, I answer only this: I will
make, but not alone, because I augur myself is someone that the Latin
knows well much more than me. I ask you therefore to think well next
to that that I have written end hour and to tell me what thoughts of
one possible version bilinguals of www.novaroma.org. Thanks
Vale
Gaius Quirinus Italicus Caesar
--Nihil amorem Romam superare potest:Roma nunc et sempre!--
(TRANSLATED WITH ALTAVISTA)
SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH, I THINK TATH THE ITALIAN VERSION IS REALLY
REALLY BETTER, THAN, IF YOU CAN, TRY TO READ IT.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Changing the Constitution II: Provincial Governors |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:55:12 +0200 |
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Salve Illustrus Senator and Consul Flavius Vedius Germanicus et Salvete Omnes!
I think the proposal is good. But I would like to see the Governors also
clearly given the right to "remove" officers "as they see fit", as in the
current, unaltered Constitution. I feel that it is very important that the
Constitution not only gives the Governors the right to appoint, but also to
remove officers.
***********
This part of the Constitution before the Senior Consul's proposal:
d.To appoint legati (legates) to administer sub-divisions of their province
with all of the authority of the governor and to remove the same as they
see fit;
e.To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative and other
tasks, as the governor shall see fit.
************
Consul Flavius Vedius Germanicus' proposal
Governors shall have the following honors, powers, and obligations:
] 4. To appoint officers to whom authority may be delegated,
] subject to those restrictions and standards as the
] Senate shall deem appropriate.
******************
My changes and addition to the Senior Consul's proposal:
Governors shall have the following honors, powers, and obligations:
4. To appoint officers "and to remove the same as they see fit," to whom
authority may be delegated, subject to those restrictions and standards as
the Senate shall deem appropriate.
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
Accensus to Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Citizenship Diploma Idea |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?B?WWFubiBRdely6Q==?= <yquere@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:59:26 +0200 |
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Salve Pompeiae Corneliae
I do follow you as well. Let's issue the diplomae in Latin !
In Latina lingua Diplomae scribendae sunt !!!!
The approach is both pragmatic (for printing convenience), honorific (what
sounds better than latin words spoken loud and clear ?), solemn and formal.
If I take the example of France Universities, and that maybe the case in
other Countries around the world, when preparing a thesis or doctorate, one
is still allowed to write and present one's work into two official
languages: French of course, and Latin ! So Latin is not dead, and let's
seize every opportunity to make it live !
Ianus Querius Armoricus Lutecio
Propraetor Provinciae Galliae
----- Original Message -----
From: Pompeia Cornelia <scriba_forum@-------->
To: <NovaRoma@-------->
Cc: <Canada_Orientalis_NR@-------->
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 9:45 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Citizenship Diploma Idea
> Salvete Omnes:
>
> I just had the pleasure of chatting on the telephone with my Provincial
> Retarius Officium, Amulius Claudius Petrus.
>
> I proposed to him a few thoughts on the Citizenship Diplomas, and I wanted
> to run these thoughts by the populace.
>
> There has been much discussion about offering the diplomas in various
> languages.
>
> While this is a very desirable notion superficially, it might affect
> production of the diplomas in the following ways:
>
> The margin for error increases, due to having to print these in 6 or 7
> different languages.
>
> The cost of production increases, as printing in large quantities goes out
> the window, by virtue of less numbers of certificates being done for each
of
> the different languages in question.
>
> In my opinion, the solution is plain: We are Romans, right? I think the
> diplomas would be equally meaningful to everyone in Nova Roma if they were
> printed in LATIN!!
>
> I feel, that the Latin Diploma hanging on one's wall, would generate as
much
> attention as a Diploma worded in ones native tongue. People will not
> understand what is written, and they will ask "Hey, what is this, anyway?"
> And you can tell them all about Nova Roma :)
>
> Also, the entire presentation of a diploma in Latin would be so very Roman
> and authentic looking.
>
> And, it would be very easy to aquire the appropriate Latin verbage for the
> certificate (we have a whole Sodalitas dedicated to this pursuit), and the
> translation is really only a request away.
>
> What do you all think about this, fellow Novae Romae? If you don't like
this
> notion, I would rather hear "Po, that idea is really a groaner", than
> nothing at all. So let us know whatcha think........K????
>
> Nothing is etched in stone yet, we are just fishing for ideas to come up
> with a product that is reasonably inexpensive to produce and desirable to
> the citizens.
>
> Bene valete!
>
> Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
> Propraetrix, Canada Orientalis
> NOVA ROMA
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] De Lingua Gentium |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?B?WWFubiBRdely6Q==?= <yquere@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jun 2001 00:19:34 +0200 |
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Salve Gai Quirine
Verus es ! (I cannot go further in Latin, Non posso dire più nell' latino)
English Version
You are perfectly correct, but what do you think
to try a partnership with altavista
to issue a latin-other language traduction device ?
We certainly have within NR latin specialists,
which I am not unfortunately, who have already
conceived such devices ? Am I wrong ?
By the way, this could produce income ?
Versione Italiana
Siete perfettamente vero, ma che cosa pensate per provare un'
associazione con il altavista per pubblicare un latino-altro
dispositivo di traduzione ?
Certamente abbiamo all'interno degli esperti latini di NR, che non
sono purtroppo, che già ha concepito tali dispositivi? Sono errato?
A proposito, questo ha potuto produrre i soldi per NR?
Version française
Vous avez parfaitement raison, et que pensez-vous d'un partenariat
avec Altavista afin de mettre en place un traducteur de latin
vers une autre langue et vice versa ? Nous avons sûrement parmi les
citoyens de NR des latinistes émérites, dont je ne suis pas malheureusement,
qui ont déjà conçu de tels outils ? Je me trompe ?
A propos, cela pourrait générer des revenus ?
Ianus Querius Armoricus Lutecio
Propraetor Galliae
----- Original Message -----
From: <gaius_quirinus@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:20 PM
Subject: [novaroma] De Lingua Gentium
Gaius Quirinus Italicus Caesar, cives Novae Romae, Quiritibus SPD
VERSIONE ITALIANA
Cittadini di Nova Roma, illustri Magistrati, augusti membri del
Senato, nonostante sia un cittadino privato, da poco entrato di
diritto in Nova Roma con la piena cittadinanza, vi chiedo di
ascoltarmi e di leggere attentamente quanto segue, anche se potrà
sembrare ai più noioso o ripetitivo come discorso; nella nostra
Repubblica, più precisamente nella sua lingua, c'è un problema, che
forse già altri hanno esposto, ma che io sento il dovere di ribadire.
Non voglio con questa mia dare colpe, accusare qualcuno sminuire il
lavoro del Curator Arenaeum ma voglio solo portare alla vostra
attenzione un punto che manca per poter dire che Nova Roma cerca al
cento per cento di ricreare l'atmosfera della Roma Classica-
Repubblicana: il latino.
Io sono un italiano, un romano e nel mio sangue posso vantare lo
stesso sangue di personaggi celeberrimi tra cui Marco Antonio, in
quanto tale mi sento sminuito nel vedere che la lingua di una `si
grande organizzazione qual è la nostra, la lingua principale è
l'inglese e non il latino; non voglio affatto sminuire l'importanza
dell'inglese, che oggi è la lingua più parlata al mondo, ma perché
non affiancare ad essa anche la lingua ufficiale di ciò che noi ci
ripromettiamo di far rinascere? Perché non permettere ad un italiano
che non sa l'inglese ma che ha fatto studi, cosiddetti "Classici", di
poter tranquillamente dialogare con un Brasiliano o uno Statunitense
o un Tedesco? Perché non permettergli di poter esprimere le sue idee
tranquillamente, senza dover andare a ripescare regole che
probabilmente non riuscirà a ricordarsi? Naturalmente in pochi
potranno esprimersi bene come Cicerone, Cesare ed altri, ma nessuno è
qui per giudicare come gli altri si esprimono ma siamo qui per
ascoltare e discutere su ciò che più ci sta caro: Roma e la sua
Cultura
È ovvio che qualcuno dirà: "Perché, visto che sei così bene
intenzionato, non lo fai tu?", gli rispondo soltanto questo: lo farò,
ma non da solo, perché mi auguro ci sia qualcuno che conosca il
latino bene molto più di me.
Vi chiedo quindi di pensare bene a ciò che ho scritto fin ora e a
dirmi cosa pensate di una possibile versione bilingue di
www.novaroma.org.
Grazie
Vale
Gaius Quirinus Italicus Caesar
--Nihil amorem Romam superare potest:Roma nunc et sempre!--
ENGLISH TRANSLATION
Citizens of Nova Rome, illustrious Magistrates, august members of the
Senate, in spite of are a private citizen, from little entered of
right in Nova Rome with the full citizenship, I ask to you for
listen me and reading how much carefully it follows, even if it will
be able to seem to the more repetitive boring or like speech;
perhaps in our Republic, more just in its language, it's a problem,
than already others has exposed, but that I feel the duty to rivet.
I do not want with this my debit faults, to accuse someone to
diminish the job of the Curator Arenaeum but I want to only carry to
your attention a point that lacks for being able to say that Nova
Rome tries to the hundreds for hundreds to recreate the atmosphere of
the Rome Classical-Republican: the Latin. I am an Italian, a Roman
and in my blood I can boast the same blood of personages of great
renown between which Marco Antonio, in how much such one I feel
myself belittled in seeing that the language of a so great
organization which is ours, the main language is the English and not
Latin; I do not want at all to belittled the importance of English,
than today more speech to the world is the language, but because not
to place side by side to it also the official language of that we
intend to make oneself to
reborn. Because not to allow to an Italian who does not know the
English but that it has made studies, so-called Classic, of calmly
being able to converse with a Brazilian or one American or a German?
Why not let him of being able to express its ideas calmly, without
having to go to find again rules that probably will not remember?
Naturally in little they will be able to
express well like Cicero, Caesar and others, but nobody is here in
order to judge like the others is expressed but we are here in order
to listen and to discuss on that more there is beloved: Rome and its
Culture Is obvious that someone will say: inasmuch as six therefore
intentioned well, you do not make it, I answer only this: I will
make, but not alone, because I augur myself is someone that the Latin
knows well much more than me. I ask you therefore to think well next
to that that I have written end hour and to tell me what thoughts of
one possible version bilinguals of www.novaroma.org. Thanks
Vale
Gaius Quirinus Italicus Caesar
--Nihil amorem Romam superare potest:Roma nunc et sempre!--
(TRANSLATED WITH ALTAVISTA)
SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH, I THINK TATH THE ITALIAN VERSION IS REALLY
REALLY BETTER, THAN, IF YOU CAN, TRY TO READ IT.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Changing the Constitution I (ver. 2): Age of Citizenship |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:23:27 -0400 |
|
Being in the field of internet design and development I have seen this
permission slip idea used by many different companies on the web before.
This is hardly a new idea though, I have seen it proposed various times
since this issue first arose at Nova Roma.
Though an old idea it's a great idea, seeing that it may introduce the topic
of Rome to the youth. This would be worth the effort in itself. In reality
this would only be one of many doors opened by this proposed idea. I am all
for it!
"Quamquam cupido sis delictum ab sui crebro suum mater ab vitualis"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Canada Orientalis Provincia
www.freehost.nu/members/canorien
--
Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:
> Basically, I've upped the age to 18 and included a clause that the Censores
> will create the permission slip for parents to sign. This way, we can
> include a specific clause to the effect of "I acknowledge my child may be
> exposed to, and participate in, discussions and activities related to the
> pre-Christian pagan religion of ancient Rome, the Religio Romana," or
> something to that effect.
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Re: [novaroma] Citizenship Diploma Idea |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:43:15 -0400 |
|
Ianus Querius Armoricus Lutecio wrote:
> If I take the example of France Universities, and that maybe the case in
> other Countries around the world, when preparing a thesis or doctorate, one
> is still allowed to write and present one's work into two official
> languages: French of course, and Latin ! So Latin is not dead, and let's
> seize every opportunity to make it live !
I mainly fully supported Latin certificates for convenience of printing,
seeing that this will be my job. During my conversation with Pompeia
Cornelia we shared many reasons why a Latin version is superior to a
multilingual version. Not once did the idea of helping to promote worldwide
Latin come up. This is by far one of the best reasons for having Latin only
certificates.
We are recreating Rome, this also means recreating a larger use of Latin. A
Latin certificate seems to be step in the right direction.
"Quamquam cupido sis delictum ab sui crebro suum mater ab vitualis"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"
-Marcus Fabius Quintilianus
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Canada Orientalis Provincia
www.freehost.nu/members/canorien
--
Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Senate's sessions |
| From: |
gaius_quirinus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 22:34:10 -0000 |
|
Salvete Omnes!
Sorry, so the Senat's sessions hoccur in chat or something lie this?
Thanks
Vale
C.Quirinus Italicus Caesar
--Nihil amorem Urbem superare potest: Roma nunc et semper--
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Citizenship Diploma Idea |
| From: |
trog99@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:00:11 -0000 |
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--- In novaroma@--------, Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@b...> wrote:
> Ianus Querius Armoricus Lutecio wrote:
> (snip)
> > ! So Latin is not dead, and
let's
> > seize every opportunity to make it live !
>
>. Not once did the idea of helping to promote
worldwide
> Latin come up. This is by far one of the best reasons for having
Latin only
> certificates.
Pompeia Respondeo: This is true. Although Latin would be a practical
and more universally agreeable route for us (my focus today) it will
also serve to promote the language of Roma Antiquita to the world.
Good point, Retarius et Propraetor.********
>
> We are recreating Rome, this also means recreating a larger use of
Latin. A
> Latin certificate seems to be step in the right direction.
Bene vale,
Pompeia
>
>
> "Quamquam cupido sis delictum ab sui crebro suum mater ab vitualis"
> "Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of
virtues"
> -Marcus Fabius Quintilianus
>
> --
> Amulius Claudius Petrus
> Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
> Canada Orientalis Provincia
> www.freehost.nu/members/canorien
> --
>
> Gens Claudia Website:
> www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
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