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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Byzantine Empire question.
From:	QFabiusMaxmi@--------
Date:	Sat, 30 Jun 2001 20:03:46 EDT

In a message dated 6/30/2001 1:30:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
marminius@-------- writes:

> > Just remembering the aqueducts were destroyed by the
> > Byzantines during
> > the reconquest of Justinian. Before that, culturally
> > people leaving
> > under Ostrogoth rule were still Romans (like
> > Boetius).
>

The Aqueducts were partly destroyed by the Visigoth sack, but they were
repaired.
They were totally destroyed by the Ostrogoths during the siege of Rome by
Wittigis
Q Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: NR Coins
From:	"Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@-------->
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 00:45:50 -0000

Salvete,

I expect quite a few people have been having problems with their coin
orders! I recently had a huge blowup at work, and put in my
resignation at the family business I've been working (and managing)
for the past nine years or so. Work is where I've been doing the coin
shipping from, and with the problems going on this has been
impossible.

I'm in my "two week notice" period now, and will be able to go into
the office tomorrow to get all outstanding coin orders finished. My
father is doing everything possible to get me to stay on anyway, so
ya never know.

A major portion of the coin orders have been shipped already, and
anyone who has them will tell you they're worth the wait. My
apologies to everyone who hasn't received their order as yet. This
really WAS circumstances beyond my control.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

--- In novaroma@--------, Sextus Cornelius Cotta <sextus@s...> wrote:
> Salvete,
> I was wondering if anyone has had trouble getting their order. I
ordered
> and paid on 6/7 and have not received them yet. I have e-mailed
twice about
> them and the first was answered but not the second(sent on this past
> Wednesday). I ordered 40 coins to be shipped to me in Wichita, KS.
I am
> still eagerly awaiting them. Any info would helpful.
>
> Sextus Cornelius Cotta
>
>
> --
> From the iMac of Sextus Cornelius Cotta
> ICQ#: 29580250
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Holiday and a litter
From:	"Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@-------->
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 00:49:38 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@t...>
wrote:
> 3. I am a singel, but I have taken on the huge task of raising a
litter of Saluki puppies. Three days ago seven beautiful puppies
arrived, three males and four bitches (I have bred Salukis since
1980). They have the colours of my kennel (Shamali) black grizzle and
grey grizzle. They and people wanting to just see them or buy one of
them surely will take most of my time during the months to come. :-)
>

Salvete,

Now THIS is a proper excuse for taking time off! :) I know raising
the litter will be work, but I'm just a little envious. A pity we're
so far away here in the US... Patricia Cassia wants a new puppy VERY
badly indeed!

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Me, too!
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Sat, 30 Jun 2001 18:12:41 -0700 (PDT)

Salve, Jo Ann.

--- Jo Ann Hinkle <joann@--------> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Since all the new citizens are introducing themselves, I shall do the
> same.
> I am always apprehensive about introducing myself, which is
> ridiculous I
> know, since everyone on this list so far seems to be very courteous
> and
> cooperative. Also, I belong to another list with classical themes on
> which
> everyone seems to have a doctorate degree and is quite knowledgable
> about
> everything. I am always apprehensive about posting there, since I'm
> always
> afraid I'll say something horribly wrong.

Be welcome to participate. I never worry too much to make any mistake.
I am always sure that I will be swiftly corrected :-).

> I live in Illinois and my academic background is in English
> literature. I
> teach writing and lit at the high school level. I minored in history
> in
> college and ancient history has always been an interest (along with
> the
> American Revolution). Currently, I am learning Latin and enjoying
> the
> process very much, though I am still a beginner. I had a question
> regarding pronunciation, if somebody out there wouldn't mind
> answering. The
> program I am using doesn't pronounce the final m as a bilabial hum,
> but
> instead interprets is as a signal to nasalize the preceding vowel.
> Is that
> a standard pronunciation? I don't know enough about Latin language
> to make
> a judgement on that. I'm having a hard time with the nasal thing.
> Any
> helpful hints?

I think it is correct if you want to use the pronuntiation of the
classical Latin era (centuries 1st B.C.E.-1st C.E.). This nasalization
was the beginning of the complete loss of the final accusative "m",
that gave birth to the endings of modern Latin languages.

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Holiday and a litter
From:	"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@-------->
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 01:24:22 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@a...> wrote:

SNIP

>
> Salvete,
>
> Now THIS is a proper excuse for taking time off! :) I know raising
> the litter will be work, but I'm just a little envious. A pity we're
> so far away here in the US... Patricia Cassia wants a new puppy VERY
> badly indeed!
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus

Salve Marce Cassi,

Have you considered visting your local animal shelter? You won't get a
pedigreed dog with papers, but you can find a wonderful animal (And
save it's life). Many shelters have puppys that someone was unable to
care for.

Vale,
L. Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Holiday and a litter
From:	"Raina Faolan" <GuruPoet@-------->
Date:	Sat, 30 Jun 2001 21:33:49 -0400

>From: "Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Re: Holiday and a litter
>Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 01:24:22 -0000
>
>--- In novaroma@--------, "Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@a...> wrote:
>
>SNIP
>
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > Now THIS is a proper excuse for taking time off! :) I know raising
> > the litter will be work, but I'm just a little envious. A pity we're
> > so far away here in the US... Patricia Cassia wants a new puppy VERY
> > badly indeed!
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Marcus Cassius Julianus
>
>Salve Marce Cassi,
>
>Have you considered visting your local animal shelter? You won't get a
>pedigreed dog with papers, but you can find a wonderful animal (And
>save it's life). Many shelters have puppys that someone was unable to
>care for.
>
>Vale,
>L. Sicinius Drusus
>
Salve Iterum,
This is very true, and there even some pedigree shelters you can find
online. My parents recently adopted an adult greyhound, and are very
pleased. I could probaly pull some strings with my mother since her two
poodles are in the AKC breeding program, one will be expecting next month.

Vale Bene,
Aeternia

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Subject:	[novaroma] strange passage.
From:	sstorm1@--------
Date:	30 Jun 2001 19:44:52 -0600

"[Nero] castrated the boy Sporus and actually tried to make a woman of him; and he married him with all the usual ceremonies, including a dowry and a bridal veil, took him to his house attended by a great throng, and treated him as his wife. And the witty jest that someone made is still current, that it would have been well for the world if Nero s father Domitius had had that kind of wife. This Sporus, decked out with the finery of the empresses and riding in a litter, he took with him to the assizes and marts of Greece, and later at Rome through the Street of the Images, fondly kissing him from time to time." -suetonius

I just read this on http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/suet-nero.html
Anyone know if there is any truth to it?
D> Cornelius Sepulchatius

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] strange passage.
From:	"Raina Faolan" <GuruPoet@-------->
Date:	Sat, 30 Jun 2001 22:09:04 -0400

Salve,

I may be no historian, if I recall correctly, Nero married twice both he
murdered. First one don't remember her name and the second Poppea said to be
a priestess of Iuno. From my opinion this isn't true.

Vale Bene,
Aeternia

>From: sstorm1@--------
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: "Nova Roma main List" <novaroma@-------->
>Subject: [novaroma] strange passage.
>Date: 30 Jun 2001 19:44:52 -0600
>
>"[Nero] castrated the boy Sporus and actually tried to make a woman of him;
>and he married him with all the usual ceremonies, including a dowry and a
>bridal veil, took him to his house attended by a great throng, and treated
>him as his wife. And the witty jest that someone made is still current,
>that it would have been well for the world if Nero s father Domitius had
>had that kind of wife. This Sporus, decked out with the finery of the
>empresses and riding in a litter, he took with him to the assizes and marts
>of Greece, and later at Rome through the Street of the Images, fondly
>kissing him from time to time." -suetonius
>
>I just read this on http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/suet-nero.html
>Anyone know if there is any truth to it?
>D> Cornelius Sepulchatius
>
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Canadian Island for Sale...
From:	cassius622@--------
Date:	Sat, 30 Jun 2001 23:06:00 EDT

Salvete,

Yeah, I know I'm dreamin'... but I just ran across a 26 acre Island for sale,
with a sort of Roman name no less. Check out Eagle Island at:

http://www.islandforsale.com/eagle.htm

It's for sale for $79,000 in Canadian dollars. That's $52,158.99 in US
dollars, far less than the sale price for a single family home... even a used
trailor on a half-acre lot, at least in the area where I'm living!

Lessee... that price divided among 800 citizens would be $65.19 per person.
Well, I'M in! (Hell, I'd be in for a few hundred bucks.) Say, any of our
Canadian Citizens care to arrange a down payment and financing?

Sure, the NR website says we're looking for 108 acres, but hey, what a place
to build a Roman fort and hoist a flag...

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Consul

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Subject:	[novaroma] Roman Names--Mistress Hinkle
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Sat, 30 Jun 2001 23:09:47 -0400 (EDT)

Mistress Hinkle;

A suggestion that I am fond of making (which apparently few have
followed up upon) is to go to the books which record the Roman Funeral
Stones that have been found in the ancient Roman Provinces, and choose
from these names, who were real people.

In my particular case, my ancestor, whose name I have taken for my Roman
Name:

Marcus Minucius Audens

We know that from his funeral stone he was a Legionary of the XXth
Legio, he served in Britannia where the Legio was stationed for between
7 to 14 years. During that 7 year period difference, he was named Miles
(Soldier) Immunes (Immune the fatigues of his Century) and became a
Gromaciti (Military Surveyor) adept in the use of the military surveying
device, A Groma. He served his twenty years in the Legions and then
became a Citizen of Britannia where he lived until his death. He was
married, and was reasonalbly wealthy as the funeral stone was detailed
and well made.

It has been my pleasure in the years that I have been in Nova Roma to be
the Paterfamilias of this real Roman Man, who served his Rome, his
Legio, and his Provincia by the sweat of his brow, the ability and drive
to be something more than just a solder, and the skill of his hands.

He was a plebian by birth, and it has been my extreme honor to be raised
to Patrician from Plebian as a recognition for my involvement in Nova
Roma, and to be able to lay that honor before the shade of my anchestor,
who would, it is my belief, have appreciated the honor greatly.

I am pleased to appeciate those who first suggested to me this idea,
those who assisted my research and those who have provided me with a
photograph of my ancestor's funeral altar, outstanding memories all, and
I strongly recommend this method to you for a long-standing satisfaction
of bringing to the modern world the memory of a Roman Woman who served
in no less honorable way, as was expected of the period in which she
lived. It is a method which pleads some effort, some research and some
decisions, but the feeling of achievment when all is done, is well worth
any effort expended.

I thank you for your kind attention to this description of an alternate
way of finding a name to be known by here in Nova Roma.

Respectfully;
Marcus Audens;
Senator and ProConsul

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Canadian Island for Sale...
From:	sstorm1@--------
Date:	30 Jun 2001 22:09:34 -0600

count me in!

> ** Original Subject: RE: [novaroma] Canadian Island for Sale...
> ** Original Sender: cassius622@--------
> ** Original Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 22:07:13 -0500

> ** Original Message follows...

>
> <html><body>
> <tt>
> Salvete, 
> 
> Yeah, I know I'm dreamin'... but I just ran across a 26 acre Island for sale, 
> with a sort of Roman name no less. Check out Eagle Island at: 
> 
> <a href="http://www.islandforsale.com/eagle.htm">http://www.islandforsale.com/eagle.htm</a> 
> 
> It's for sale for $79,000 in Canadian dollars. That's $52,158.99 in US 
> dollars, far less than the sale price for a single family home... even a used 
> trailor on a half-acre lot, at least in the area where I'm living! 
> 
> Lessee... that price divided among 800 citizens would be $65.19 per person. 
> Well, I'M in! (Hell, I'd be in for a few hundred bucks.) Say, any of our 
> Canadian Citizens care to arrange a down payment and financing? 
> 
> Sure, the NR website says we're looking for 108 acres, but hey, what a place 
> to build a Roman fort and hoist a flag... 
> 
> Valete, 
> 
> Marcus Cassius Julianus 
> Consul 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Canadian Island for Sale...
From:	"Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@-------->
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 03:29:16 -0000

Salve,

I just couldn't help myself... I wrote to the realtors and asked if
the island is still for sale, and what the downpayment and terms
would be. No doubt Eagle Island sold two or three months ago and the
site hasn't been updated. Or worse, it sold yesterday! But hey,
nothing ventured nothing gained.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

--- In novaroma@--------, sstorm1@a... wrote:
> count me in!
>
>
> > ** Original Subject: RE: [novaroma] Canadian Island for Sale...
> > ** Origin--------ender: c--------us622@--------
> > ** Original Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 22:07:13 -0500
>
> > ** Original Message follows...
>
> >
> > <html><body>
> > <tt>
> > Salvete, 
> > 
> > Yeah, I know I'm dreamin'... but I just ran across a 26 acre
Island for sale, 
> > with a sort of Roman name no less. Check out Eagle Island at: 
> > 
> > <a
href="http://www.islandforsale.com/eagle.htm">http://www.islandforsale
.com/eagle.htm</a> 
> > 
> > It's for sale for $79,000 in Canadian dollars. That's
$52,158.99 in US 
> > dollars, far less than the sale price for a single family home...
even a used 
> > trailor on a half-acre lot, at least in the area where I'm living!
 
> > 
> > Lessee... that price divided among 800 citizens would be $65.19
per person. 
> > Well, I'M in! (Hell, I'd be in for a few hundred bucks.) Say, any
of our 
> > Canadian Citizens care to arrange a down payment and financing?
 
> > 
> > Sure, the NR website says we're looking for 108 acres, but hey,
what a place 
> > to build a Roman fort and hoist a flag... 
> > 
> > Valete, 
> > 
> > Marcus Cassius Julianus 
> > Consul 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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> >
> >
> >
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Canadian Island for Sale...
From:	"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@-------->
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 03:56:33 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@a...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> I just couldn't help myself... I wrote to the realtors and asked if
> the island is still for sale, and what the downpayment and terms
> would be. No doubt Eagle Island sold two or three months ago and the
> site hasn't been updated. Or worse, it sold yesterday! But hey,
> nothing ventured nothing gained.
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
>

Salve,
Consul you inspired me to do a search.

This site didn't have any islands for sale, but check out that second
ad under islands wanted!!
http://melfort.com/island-for-sale/

Maybe we need an ad like that one.

Vale,
L. Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] June 28, 2001---A Sad Day
From:	gcassiusnerva@--------
Date:	Sun, 1 Jul 2001 01:33:40 EDT

In a message dated 6/29/01 10:32:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
scriba_forum@-------- writes:

> But, by the same thought, I must celebrate his life, which is probably what
> he would rather see me do, nonne?
>
>

Oh, definitely! The best way I think to honor Dr. Adler is to keep reading
and thinking.

Nerva {as he begins to tackle the Meno}

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: June 28, 2001---A Sad Day
From:	gcassiusnerva@--------
Date:	Sun, 1 Jul 2001 01:36:51 EDT

Salve,

Can I make one small correction? The Lifetime Reading Plan was by
Clifton Fadiman, who also died not too long ago. He was a good friend of Dr.
Adlers though, and was an associate editor on the Great Books set. Did you
ever see Adler's recommended readong list at the back of How To Read A Book?
Frightening! You could spend the rest of your life on that project!

Nerva

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Holiday and a litter
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Sun, 1 Jul 2001 09:48:13 +0200

>--- In novaroma@--------, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@t...>
>wrote:
>> 3. I am a singel, but I have taken on the huge task of raising a
>litter of Saluki puppies. Three days ago seven beautiful puppies
>arrived, three males and four bitches (I have bred Salukis since
>1980). They have the colours of my kennel (Shamali) black grizzle and
>grey grizzle. They and people wanting to just see them or buy one of
>them surely will take most of my time during the months to come. :-)
>>
>
>Salvete,
>
>Now THIS is a proper excuse for taking time off! :) I know raising
>the litter will be work, but I'm just a little envious. A pity we're
>so far away here in the US... Patricia Cassia wants a new puppy VERY
>badly indeed!
>
>Valete,
>
>Marcus Cassius Julianus

Salve my dear Consul, amici et Omnes!

This will be a real pleasure as I have bred the litter's mother, the
maternal grand mother, the maternal grand grand mother, the maternal grand
grand grandmother and maternal grandfather.

Saluki is a breed that is at least 4.000 years old and have a truely
aristrcratic heritage. Pharao Tut-ankh-Amon had one of these, which is
mummified and can be found at the Museum of Cairo. The mentality is a bit
arrogant and aloof, but still friendly in a solemn way. As a sighthound
they hunt gazells, jack-rabbits, wolfs, antilopes, foxes, boars and wild
donkeys. They will, under the right circumstances, do 55 miles/hour, while
hunting. They are still held by the Arabian royal houses and Beduins. A
hound full of history and cultur! They will be well worth my time and
commitment. I know, as this is my 14th litter.

Thank You all for your kind words! I wish all citizens a wonderful summer!

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
Accensus to Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Returned...........
From:	"Daniel Place" <danat2000@-------->
Date:	Sun, 1 Jul 2001 17:21:25 +0930

Salvete,

Just a quick nore to let everyone know that I have returned and am back online.

valete

Marcus Arcadius Pius
Pontifex, Flamen Portunalis, Propraetor Australia

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Canadian Island for Sale...
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 11:33:01 -0000

Wow!

This is certainly worth investigating.....hmm!!

As a corporation we should be able to secure a mortgage for what is really a
very small amount of money for real estate.

Pompeia Cornelia
Propraetrix pro temp
Canada Orientalis......another dreamer :)

>From: cassius622@--------
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Canadian Island for Sale...
>Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 23:06:00 EDT
>
>Salvete,
>
>Yeah, I know I'm dreamin'... but I just ran across a 26 acre Island for
>sale,
>with a sort of Roman name no less. Check out Eagle Island at:
>
>http://www.islandforsale.com/eagle.htm
>
>It's for sale for $79,000 in Canadian dollars. That's $52,158.99 in US
>dollars, far less than the sale price for a single family home... even a
>used
>trailor on a half-acre lot, at least in the area where I'm living!
>
>Lessee... that price divided among 800 citizens would be $65.19 per person.
>Well, I'M in! (Hell, I'd be in for a few hundred bucks.) Say, any of our
>Canadian Citizens care to arrange a down payment and financing?
>
>Sure, the NR website says we're looking for 108 acres, but hey, what a
>place
>to build a Roman fort and hoist a flag...
>
>Valete,
>
>Marcus Cassius Julianus
>Consul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Canadian Island for Sale...
From:	"Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@-------->
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 11:37:20 -0000

Salve,

Placing a "want" ad is a good idea! We'd probably be much better off
NOT saying that we want to establish a sovereign nation on an island,
however. I've been resarching this subject for years now and ALL land
is owned (or claimed) by the macronations of the world, and ALL
macronations have strict policies on not letting folks "shave off"
bits, even unwanted islands up for sale, to start their own
countries. Nobody wants new nations forming and ruining the status
quo.

However, there is nothing saying we can't buy an island or some land,
and CONSIDER it our sovereign territory under "dual status" the
macronation which includes it might not agree, but as long as we pay
taxes and don't behave like radicals, they aren't going to CARE.

My guess is that the ad at the top of the page, (wanting to establish
an "Italian Village" is perfect. I DO hope it was one of us that
posted it! It's interesting, and best of all, *non threatening*.

And, if none of that works out, maybe it's time to think about a
small and practical piece of land? There was a huge "homesteading"
thread a couple months back that got a little out of control, but
something like this small island going for the price of a single
family house would really put Nova Roma "on the map". Maybe we ought
to put a request for donated land up on the website?

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

--- In novaroma@--------, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> wrote:
> --- In novaroma@--------, "Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@a...>
wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> > I just couldn't help myself... I wrote to the realtors and asked
if the island is still for sale, [at www.islandforsale.com/eagle.htm]
(SNIP)
>
> Salve,
> Consul you inspired me to do a search.
>
> This site didn't have any islands for sale, but check out that
second
> ad under islands wanted!!
> http://melfort.com/island-for-sale/
>
> Maybe we need an ad like that one.
>
> Vale,
> L. Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Canadian Island for Sale...
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 11:49:22 -0000

Salvete Honoured Consul et alii:

I could certainly work on getting an ad into the Toronto Star, Globe and
Mail, Vancouver Sun.....major newspapers in Canada. The Globe and Mail is
published in Toronto, but it is actually considered a National Newspaper.

I am at your service, if you require assistance in this regard.

ISN'T IT UNCANNY (not yelling!) that we are discussing a Canadian Island
and today is Canada's Birthday....July 1 is Canada Day, the anniversary of
the Confederation of Canada, considered Canada's Birth.

Pompeia

>From: "Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Re: Canadian Island for Sale...
>Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 11:37:20 -0000
>
>Salve,
>
>Placing a "want" ad is a good idea! We'd probably be much better off
>NOT saying that we want to establish a sovereign nation on an island,
>however. I've been resarching this subject for years now and ALL land
>is owned (or claimed) by the macronations of the world, and ALL
>macronations have strict policies on not letting folks "shave off"
>bits, even unwanted islands up for sale, to start their own
>countries. Nobody wants new nations forming and ruining the status
>quo.
>
>However, there is nothing saying we can't buy an island or some land,
>and CONSIDER it our sovereign territory under "dual status" the
>macronation which includes it might not agree, but as long as we pay
>taxes and don't behave like radicals, they aren't going to CARE.
>
>My guess is that the ad at the top of the page, (wanting to establish
>an "Italian Village" is perfect. I DO hope it was one of us that
>posted it! It's interesting, and best of all, *non threatening*.
>
>And, if none of that works out, maybe it's time to think about a
>small and practical piece of land? There was a huge "homesteading"
>thread a couple months back that got a little out of control, but
>something like this small island going for the price of a single
>family house would really put Nova Roma "on the map". Maybe we ought
>to put a request for donated land up on the website?
>
>Valete,
>
>Marcus Cassius Julianus
>
>
>--- In novaroma@--------, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> wrote:
> > --- In novaroma@--------, "Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@a...>
>wrote:
> > > Salve,
> > >
> > > I just couldn't help myself... I wrote to the realtors and asked
>if the island is still for sale, [at www.islandforsale.com/eagle.htm]
>(SNIP)
> >
> > Salve,
> > Consul you inspired me to do a search.
> >
> > This site didn't have any islands for sale, but check out that
>second
> > ad under islands wanted!!
> > http://melfort.com/island-for-sale/
> >
> > Maybe we need an ad like that one.
> >
> > Vale,
> > L. Sicinius Drusus
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Returned...........
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 11:50:41 -0000

Salve Pontiff et Propraetor Marce Arcadi:

Welcome back :)

Pompeia

>From: "Daniel Place" <danat2000@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: <collegiumPontificum@-------->, <novaroma@-------->,
><NR_Australia@-------->
>Subject: [novaroma] Returned...........
>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 17:21:25 +0930
>
>Salvete,
>
>Just a quick nore to let everyone know that I have returned and am back
>online.
>
>valete
>
>Marcus Arcadius Pius
>Pontifex, Flamen Portunalis, Propraetor Australia
>
>
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Canadian Island for Sale...
From:	Daniel Dreesbach <stakor2000@-------->
Date:	Sat, 30 Jun 2001 20:29:02 -0700 (PDT)

So Would I.
--- sstorm1@-------- wrote:
> count me in!
>
>
> > ** Original Subject: RE: [novaroma] Canadian
> Island for Sale...
> > ** Original Sender: cassius622@--------
> > ** Original Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 22:07:13 -0500
>
> > ** Original Message follows...
>
> >
> > <html><body>
> > <tt>
> > Salvete, 
> > 
> > Yeah, I know I'm dreamin'... but I just ran across
> a 26 acre Island for sale, 
> > with a sort of Roman name no less. Check out Eagle
> Island at: 
> > 
> > <a
>
href="http://www.islandforsale.com/eagle.htm">http://www.islandforsale.com/eagle.htm</a> 
> > 
> > It's for sale for $79,000 in Canadian dollars.
> That's $52,158.99 in US 
> > dollars, far less than the sale price for a single
> family home... even a used 
> > trailor on a half-acre lot, at least in the area
> where I'm living! 
> > 
> > Lessee... that price divided among 800 citizens
> would be $65.19 per person. 
> > Well, I'M in! (Hell, I'd be in for a few hundred
> bucks.) Say, any of our 
> > Canadian Citizens care to arrange a down payment
> and financing? 
> > 
> > Sure, the NR website says we're looking for 108
> acres, but hey, what a place 
> > to build a Roman fort and hoist a flag... 
> > 
> > Valete, 
> > 
> > Marcus Cassius Julianus 
> > Consul 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed] 
> > 
> > </tt>
> >
> >
> >
> > 
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> >
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>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Canadian Island for Sale...
From:	"Aulus Sertorius" <aulus_sertorius@-------->
Date:	Sat, 30 Jun 2001 23:28:48 -0500

Salve,

What a grande idea and opprutunity! To buy an island in the name of Nova Roma. To build a fort would be even grander! Geese, I'd live on the island if I could.

If we can go through with this, count me in! I'll gladly contribute some funds!

I was thinking. Here in Canada one can still go homesteading and get a free grant of crown land. I believe the rules involved are rather simple. Plot out so many acres of uninhabited crown land, mark it out, and build a house in the first year with several acres cleared off. If enough Canadians got together we could make this a project, build a fort and probably have it declared a national site. And if you've ever been in Canada, you will know how much empty crown land we have!

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Canadian Island for Sale...
From:	Patrick Ferguson <pvitruviusiulianus@-------->
Date:	Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:43:54 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete omnes!

> Lessee... that price divided among 800 citizens
> would be $65.19 per person.
> Well, I'M in! (Hell, I'd be in for a few hundred
> bucks.) Say, any of our
> Canadian Citizens care to arrange a down payment and
> financing?

I am in too, but it will take a couple of weeks to see
if I can be in since I am paying off a large loan to
my parents.

Valete optime!

Patricius Vitruvius Iulainus,

Civis Novae Romae.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Island for Sale...
From:	"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@-------->
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 12:16:59 -0000

Salvete Omnes,

While I love the idea of buying an island, I would prefer one with a
milder climate than a Northern Island. Toga's and Canadian winters
don't seem like a good match.

This island is closer to my tastes.
http://www.royalislandbahamas.com/

I would like to see Nova Roma a land fund. It would be a shame to find
a good island for sale, and lose it to another buyer because we didn't
have the cash on hand.

Valete,
L. Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Island for Sale...
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Sun, 1 Jul 2001 05:19:19 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete omnes.

--- Lucius Sicinius Drusus <lsicinius@--------> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> While I love the idea of buying an island, I would prefer one with a
> milder climate than a Northern Island. Toga's and Canadian winters
> don't seem like a good match.
>
> This island is closer to my tastes.
> http://www.royalislandbahamas.com/
>
> I would like to see Nova Roma a land fund. It would be a shame to
> find
> a good island for sale, and lose it to another buyer because we
> didn't
> have the cash on hand.

I think we should also consider looking for our piece of land in the
territory of the ancient Roman Empire. There are many small islands in
the Mediterranean.

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
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Subject:	[novaroma] Latin Final M's
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@-------->
Date:	Sun, 1 Jul 2001 14:21:18 +0200

M. Apollonius Formosanus Dominae Hinkle S.P.D.

Jo Ann Hinkle scripsit:

Currently, I am learning Latin and enjoying the process very much,
though I am still a beginner. I had a question regarding
pronunciation, if somebody out there wouldn't mind answering. The
program I am using doesn't pronounce the final m as a bilabial hum,
but instead interprets is as a signal to nasalize the preceding
vowel. Is that a standard pronunciation? I don't know enough about
Latin language to make a judgement on that. I'm having a hard time
with the nasal thing. Any helpful hints?

RESPONDEO:

Yes, in the classical period we suppose final M's in Latin not to
have been pronounced like M, but to have signaled a preceding
nasalised vowel, such as often happens in French especially with N.
So, an -UM ending for example would be pronounced as OO in "look" or
"good" nasalised, and the lips would do nothing. (Users of the mantra
"OM" should note that the underdotted-M represents an anusv�ra in
Sanskrit that behaves exactly the same way.)

Practise using French materials for learning the French nasals and
then transfer the knowledge. Learn how to nasalise any vowel at will.
It is just a matter of learning to voluntarily control the velum. It
is easier than it might seem - actually in English we nasalise vowels
in front of N, NG and M, and never notice that we are doing so - but
you can learn to make yourself aware.

This also happens with following N in Latin. "Consul", when Cicero
was one, was really pronounced without the tongue going up to produce
the N sound. Sometimes spelling reflected this and the N was left
out.

*However* although this is completely authentic, I do not know any
practical speaker of Latin, including the majority of them who use
the Restored Pronunciation, who tries to reproduce this nasalisation.
The modern Restored Pronunciation pronounces UM as "oo" as in "good"
or "look" plus a normal English-style final M. (This is *not* the
same as the *English* pronunciation of such Latin words, however,
which has U as in "up" or "but" or "love", so that it sounds like OM
in come" or UM in "bum".)

It has always been my assumption that the nasalised pronunciation of
the classical period was a simplified version of the same
pronunciation we use today, which was current in an earlier stage of
the language, and to which the language reverted when it became a
non-native language learned from books. Therefore, if you just learn
the normal Restored Pronunciation, which pronounces M as M, you will
not be speaking as Cicero did, but perhaps will be speaking with a
pre-Ciceronian and post-Ciceronian pronunciation which has been more
normal with the Latin language over its whole traceable histotry.

I am making this detailed answer because I think that many in Nova
Roma might come to feel that the Restored Pronunciation is somehow so
difficult or bizarre that they can neither learn the sounds nor enjoy
the authentic pronunciation. I therefore counsel that one follow
modern expert use in practice, and not pronounce the bare nasals. (I
say "*bare* nasals" because you are already automatically nasalising
a vowel before an M but do not notice it because it is phonemic in
neither English nor Latin, so the real problem - contrary to your
probable perceptions! - is not in making the nasalisation, but in
simply dropping the M without affecting the nasalisation of the
vowel.)

Although I cannot quite recommend the general use of these bare
nasals, as it is not current in educated practice and might put many
people off by sounding so very different from what they feel is
Latin-like, I do applaud someone's making an attempt to restore this
aspect of the classical pronunciation, and if "program" refers to a
computer programme for the instruction of Latin pronunciation, I
would appreciate it if you could write me privately and give me its
name and publisher.

I also invite you (and any other new cives or list subscribers) to
the Living Latin Course (already in progress, but quite near the
beginning) at the Schola Latina (ScholaLatina@--------). It
emphasises practical spoken (or communicative written) Latin, and
might complement your present course. And you are welcome on the
Latinitas List of the Sodalitas Latinitatis
(latinitas@--------).

Vale!

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Canadian Island for Sale...
From:	"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@-------->
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 12:51:23 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@a...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> Placing a "want" ad is a good idea! We'd probably be much better off
> NOT saying that we want to establish a sovereign nation on an island,
> however. I've been resarching this subject for years now and ALL land
> is owned (or claimed) by the macronations of the world, and ALL
> macronations have strict policies on not letting folks "shave off"
> bits, even unwanted islands up for sale, to start their own
> countries. Nobody wants new nations forming and ruining the status
> quo.
>
> However, there is nothing saying we can't buy an island or some land,
> and CONSIDER it our sovereign territory under "dual status" the
> macronation which includes it might not agree, but as long as we pay
> taxes and don't behave like radicals, they aren't going to CARE.
>
> My guess is that the ad at the top of the page, (wanting to establish
> an "Italian Village" is perfect. I DO hope it was one of us that
> posted it! It's interesting, and best of all, *non threatening*.
>
> And, if none of that works out, maybe it's time to think about a
> small and practical piece of land? There was a huge "homesteading"
> thread a couple months back that got a little out of control, but
> something like this small island going for the price of a single
> family house would really put Nova Roma "on the map". Maybe we ought
> to put a request for donated land up on the website?
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
>

Salve Marce Cassi,

There is another posibility of aquiring an island besides purchase.
That is creating an Artifical island. This is discussed in Rene
Kardol's Masters Thesis which can be read at

http://www.luf.org/artisle.html

With a sumary at

http://www.distant-star.com/issue10/june_99_kardol.htm

We are in a better postion than most groups that wish to obtain a
sovereign island. According to one school of thought the colonists for
an artifical island would not qualify as a nation because "There would
be no shared history, traditions, religions, ethnicities, or cultures
on which to base this new nation." Nova Roma certainly dosen't have
this problem because we have all execpt common ethnicities, a trait
that we share with many existing Macro Nations.

Vale,
L. Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Island for Sale...
From:	"Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@-------->
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 13:10:26 -0000

Salvete,

Yes, I must say I'd prefer a tropical Caribbean island to a northern
island myself! The problem is that tropical islands go for three to
five *million* dollars US as a general rule... they're toys for the
idle rich. A colder Northern island in Canada, on the other hand, can
generally be had for about the price of a single family home,
$100,000 or so.

That doesn't rule out a tropical paradise forever, but there's
nothing wrong with starting small and working your way up. My feeling
is that having ANY type of land, and being able to show off such
a "real world posession" would be just the sort of promotional boost
that Nova Roma has been needing. Better to have something now and
then trade up, (and reap the benefits from being able to tout land
ownership as proof of our real world existance)I think.

As I said, the chances are huge that Eagle Island has already sold.
It's a pity, since it's got a Roman connection in it's name, it's a
respectable size, (more than a single home lot) and it's so CHEAP!
There are other Canadian islands of only an acre or two going for
more money. Somebody is obviously in financial trouble and having to
sell the thing off.

I quite like the idea of land in Canada. While taxation there is
absolutely *ruinous*, land is, well, dirt cheap in comparison with US
and European land.

As I said, the chances are huge this particular island isn't
available. My guess is that to secure a similar deal in the future
while it's "fresh", we'd not only want to take the advertisement
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo has mentioned, but also talk seriously with
some Canadian realtors.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

--- In novaroma@--------, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> While I love the idea of buying an island, I would prefer one with a
> milder climate than a Northern Island. Toga's and Canadian winters
> don't seem like a good match.
>
> This island is closer to my tastes.
> http://www.royalislandbahamas.com/
>
> I would like to see Nova Roma a land fund. It would be a shame to
find
> a good island for sale, and lose it to another buyer because we
didn't
> have the cash on hand.
>
> Valete,
> L. Sicinius Drusus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Island for Sale...
From:	"Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@-------->
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 13:20:19 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> wrote:
> I think we should also consider looking for our piece of land in the
> territory of the ancient Roman Empire. There are many small islands
in the Mediterranean.
>

Salvete,

I agree that having former Roman territory would be wonderful!
Unfortunately, just as with Caribbean tropical islands, Mediterranean
islands go for several *million* dollars when they are available at
all. Rich folks like to go play with the dolphins in the delightful
warm water, remember!

I wouldn't discount such a thing as an ultimate goal. However, it's
easier to get "perfect" land if you've proven you have the power to
GET land of any sort! Buying something affordable, should it pop up,
would leave us in a far better position later on. Besides, I truly
believe the immediate benefits would be huge. We'd suddenly cease to
be a "cyber only organization", to something so committed to Rome we
own real world property. Some pictures of real land up on the website
would be wonderful for attracting new Citizens!

Frankly, I'd accept any kind of land, anyWHERE, for promotional
reasons. Even an acre somewhere, with a monument and a flag sitting
on it, says more than a cyber-presence only. Admittedly an island is
ideal since it gives defined "borders". Yet I'd take a vacant lot
in "East Overshoe" if we could get it without ruining the treasury.
At least it would be a start.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Ah, if only we had a million dollars US...
From:	cassius622@--------
Date:	Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:33:06 EDT

We could buy our own island nation! Check out THIS island:

http://www.privateislandsonline.com/longocau.htm

It's off the coast of Australia, and is actually LARGER than four existing
world macronations! A total of 8,770 acres! The asking price is $1, 250,000
a sum far lager than we'll be seeing anytime soon. But it's less than a third
of the price of your usual tropical island - for about 800 times more land!
We really could found an entire country here... there's arable land for
farming and everything.

Er, anyone out there have some rich relatives, or know a financial wizard or
two?

"Eagle Island" in Canada is more our speed, and even that is probably beyond
our power. But wow...

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Ah, if only we had a million dollars US...
From:	"Daniel Place" <danat2000@-------->
Date:	Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:19:40 +0930

Salve,

We actually had a $20,000,000 lottery draw last night!! If I had of won it, that island would be ours :-) Ah well...................................

Marcus Arcadius Pius
----- Original Message -----
From: cassius622@--------
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 12:03 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Ah, if only we had a million dollars US...

We could buy our own island nation! Check out THIS island:

http://www.privateislandsonline.com/longocau.htm

It's off the coast of Australia, and is actually LARGER than four existing
world macronations! A total of 8,770 acres! The asking price is $1, 250,000
a sum far lager than we'll be seeing anytime soon. But it's less than a third
of the price of your usual tropical island - for about 800 times more land!
We really could found an entire country here... there's arable land for
farming and everything.

Er, anyone out there have some rich relatives, or know a financial wizard or
two?

"Eagle Island" in Canada is more our speed, and even that is probably beyond
our power. But wow...

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Canadian Island for Sale...
From:	QFabiusMaxmi@--------
Date:	Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:06:36 EDT

In a message dated 7/1/2001 4:34:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
scriba_forum@-------- writes:

> It's for sale for $79,000 in Canadian dollars. That's $52,158.99 in US
> >dollars, far less than the sale price for a single family home ... even a
> >used trailer on a half-acre lot, at least in the area where I'm living!
>

Salvete
I'll contribute. However, what are the weather patterns like? How often
does it have
habitable weather?
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Island for Sale...
From:	QFabiusMaxmi@--------
Date:	Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:10:28 EDT

In a message dated 7/1/2001 5:19:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
salixastur@-------- writes:

> I think we should also consider looking for our piece of land in the
> territory of the ancient Roman Empire. There are many small islands in
> the Mediterranean.
>
>
Salvete
I vote for Capua. It is perfect for our needs.
Valete
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Canadian Island for Sale...
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 14:35:15 -0400

Q. Fabius Maximus wrote:

>
> Salvete
> I'll contribute. However, what are the weather patterns like? How often
> does it have
> habitable weather?
> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus

Salve Q. Fabius,

Seeing that I live in Canada I may be able to answer this question. I don't
live near the ocean so you may want to take this into account. November to
April can be fairly cold. The warmest it would get is a few degrees above
freezing. Seeing that the land is surrounded by water it would probably have
a good amount of precipitation. However from June to September it can get
quite warm 30 degrees Celsius is seen often where I live. It maybe a bit
cooler near the coast, although chances are only by a few degrees. All
together during the course of a year you can expect very large differences
in temperature and climate. Winter may not be habitable but I see no reason
why the rest of the year would present any serious problems.

Hope this gives you a general idea,

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Canadian Island for Sale...
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 14:44:21 -0400

Pompeia Cornelia Strabo wrote:

> ISN'T IT UNCANNY (not yelling!) that we are discussing a Canadian Island
> and today is Canada's Birthday....July 1 is Canada Day, the anniversary of
> the Confederation of Canada, considered Canada's Birth.

Salvete Propraetrix Pompeoa Cornelia et Canadian cives,

Happy Canada Day, hope all Canadian citizens enjoy the holiday. =)

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Subject:	[novaroma] Canadian Land/Climate
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 18:53:48 -0000

Salve Omnes:

Canadian climate, as with other areas of the globe, has become progressively
warmer, with less formidable winters. I have noticed quite a difference in
the past 20 or so years, atleast where I live, which is beside Lake
Superior.

Autumns in Canada are a glorious spectacle, when the leaves change
colour.....and there are soo many trees. Quite often we Canadians do not
appreciate what is in our own backyard (I am guilty too!). And, as Claudi
has stated, summers are quite comparable to other areas, 30 degrees celsius.
Matter of fact, we just went through a stretch of very hot humid weather
this past 4-5 days...

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Canadian Island for Sale...
From:	"Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@-------->
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 21:44:13 -0000

Salve,

There seems to be little direct information available for Eagle
Island, so I'll have to wait until the realtor contacts me. (If he
ever does, and if the place isn't sold, etc. etc.)

It seems to be in a nice enough area. There seem to be bike trails
around the bay it's in, sailing tours through the waters it's in, and
the like. From the touristy stuff I say it looks like the place must
have a habitable summer if nothing else.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

--- In novaroma@--------, QFabiusMaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 7/1/2001 4:34:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> scriba_forum@-------- writes:
>
>
> > It's for sale for $79,000 in Canadian dollars. That's $52,158.99
in US
> > >dollars, far less than the sale price for a single family
home ... even a
> > >used trailer on a half-acre lot, at least in the area where I'm
living!
> >
>
> Salvete
> I'll contribute. However, what are the weather patterns like? How
often
> does it have
> habitable weather?
> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Subject:	[novaroma] Islands >> different ideas
From:	"Andrew Rielly" <arielly1@-------->
Date:	Sun, 1 Jul 2001 14:48:56 -0700

-----Original Message-----
From: Pompeia Cornelia Strabo <scriba_forum@-------->
To: novaroma@-------- <novaroma@-------->
Date: Sunday, July 01, 2001 11:54 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Canadian Land/Climate

>Salve Omnes:
>
>Canadian climate, as with other areas of the globe, has become
progressively
>warmer, with less formidable winters. I have noticed quite a difference in
>the past 20 or so years, atleast where I live, which is beside Lake
>Superior.
>

Yes, and with the expected rise in the sea levels thanks to Global Warming
(regardless if it is human caused, or assisted, it's real) an island may not
be the best course of action for the long term. Many atolls and low islands
are already disappearing. Canada is not an appealing idea either...how much
carbon in the atmosphere triggered the last ice age? Less than now. I'd
rather not be entombed in a glacier *if* the eco system tried to stabilize
itself as it has done so many times in the distant past. :-)

Here are a couple ideas, the first of which will likely not be popular...
:-)

First wacko Sunday afternoon idea. Find a city, region or entire small
macronational country that is economically unstable and move in...begin
getting elected to positions of power and simply take over in a bloodless
coup. Yeah, this is hard and dangerous (not to mention running the risk of
going against the NR constitution and statements about non-violence) and I
probably don't like the idea either, but there is historical precedence, we
in Oregon even had a cult move in and take over a remote city in the 80's.

Second idea, with contemporary and historical precedence. Get some cives
together and relocate to South or Central America. There are several groups
of expatriate Americans that are moving down there in small groups and
buying acreage. The governments love the influx of foreign money and many
of them offer immediate dual-citizenship for US citizens. 2,500 acres runs
about $50,000 US and is sometimes old plantations, etc with somewhat arable
land, some buildings, water, etc. Another $40,000 or so (depending on the
number of people) would install basic water purification and some
photovoltaics or wind generators. Housing is additional $$$ but the raw
materials are a heck of a lot cheaper there. A decent satelite
communication system is readily attainable and suitable for network
connections (per minutes are expensive, so something closer in to a larger
city would allow for traditional wired connections).

So, regarding the second idea, how many people are in a position to work
remotely (for example writers or engineers who only need computer +
internet to maintain their current jobs)? How many people have skills
and/or current jobs which would make money in a rural community?

Here are some URL's to think about:
www.oceania.org << ancient web site (no updates in 6 years), very
libertarian ideas (personal comments withheld ;-) )
www.freedomship.com << corporate bastards and power elite escaping from
responsibility
www.thevenusproject.com << inspiration for one expatriate group vaguely
referenced in idea #2 above (in ecuador I think, I can look it up if anyone
cares)

Publicus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Island for Sale...
From:	Decimus Antoninius Aquitanius <romalist2@-------->
Date:	Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:38:44 -0400 (EDT)

This is very cool! An island for sale of a goodly
size! Marcus Cassius may quite right that it's
already been sold, but it's still worth checking out.
I'd give my thumbs up to that idea for sure. But more
importantly, this find has got us all talking about
Nova Roma's land-based future, something I think we
should focus on more often. There is tons and tons of
cheap land up here in Canada with all the resources
needed for any development! And a good point was made
that we should attempt to acquire a piece of land
before we worry about trying to acquire the perfect
location, because we could endlessly wring our hands
waiting for the best bit of land at the best price.
Just some thoughts and words to stir up this exciting
discussion!
Valete!

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Subject:	[novaroma] Prov Brasilia - Edictum II
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Marcos=20Boehme?= <marminius@-------->
Date:	Sun, 1 Jul 2001 14:57:28 -0300 (ART)

Nova Roma
Provincia Brasilia

----------------------------------

Provincial Edictum - II
Regarding organization of the Province
01 julho 2001 - KAL QUI MMDCCLIV

Administrative Organization of the Provincia Brasilia.

I, Marcus Arminius Maior, Propraetor of Provincia
Brasilia of Nova Roma, do the actions to the better
administration of this province.

I. Nominations of Lictores of the Province

According to the Constitution of Nova Roma, the
propraetor of the province can nominate six Lictores,
with jurisdiction limited by the limes provinciales.

Three lictores were selected. They are:
Lucius Arminius Metellus,
Sextus Arminius Remus,
Fulvius Aulus Nerva,

II. Other Nominations

Lucius Arminius Metellus, is named Scriba
Propraetoris.

III. Creation of Regions

For administrative purposes, the Novaroman Provincia
of Brasilia will be divided into Regions,
corresponding to the brazilian states (estados), each
of which will be assigned a Legatus.
Seven Regia will be created inside the Province, from
south to north:

1.Pampa Magna (equivalent to the brazilian State of
Rio Grande do Sul, RS)
2.Juliana (Santa Catarina, SC)
3.Planum Rubrum (Parana, PR)
4.Paulicea (Sao Paulo, SP)
5.Flumen Ianuariae (Rio de Janeiro, RJ)
6.Ager Ferri (Minas Gerais, MG)
7.Planaltina (Goias, GO and Distrito Federal, DF)

A Legatus will be assigned to each Regio, and is
responsible for their administration, whilst the
Governor (Propraetor) oversees the administration of
the Provincia as a whole.
Such Legates shall be Novaroman citizens who resides
in the Region they represent.

Marcus Arminius Maior
Propraetor, provincia Brasilia

----------------------------------

Edito Provincial - II
Sobre a organizacao da Provincia
01 de julho de 2001 - KAL QUI MMDCCLIV

Organizacao administrativa da Provincia Brasilia

Eu, Marcus Arminius Maior, Propraetor da Provincia
Brasilia de Nova Roma, ordeno as seguintes acoes para
a melhor administracao desta Provincia.

I. Nomeacao de Lictores da Provincia

De acordo com a Constituicao de Nova Roma, o
Propraetor da Provincia pode nomear seis Lictores, com
jurisdicao dada pelos limites da Provincia.

Thes Lictores foram escolhidos. Sao:
Lucius Arminius Metellus,
Sextus Arminius Remus,
Fulvius Aulus Nerva.

II. Outras Nomeacoes

Lucius Arminius Metellus, e nomeado Assistente do
Propretor (Scriba Propraetoris).

III. Criacao de Regioes

Por razoes administrativas, a Provincia Brasilia de
Nova Roma sera dividida em Regioes, correspondentes
aos estados brasileiros, a cada qual sera escolhido um
Legado.
Sete regioes serao criadas dentro da Provincia, do sul
para o norte:

1. Pampa Magna (equivalente ao estado brasileiro do
Rio Grande do Sul, RS)
2. Juliana (Santa Catarina, SC)
3. Planum Rubrum (Parana, PR)
4. Paulicea (Sao Paulo, SP)
5. Flumen Ianuariae (Rio de Janeiro, RJ)
6. Ager Ferri (Minas Gerais, MG)
7. Planaltina (Goias, GO e Distrito Federal, DF)

Cada Legado sera responsavel pela administracao dos
assuntos do dia a dia da sua Regiao, enquanto o
Governador (Propraetor) supervisionara a Provincia
como um todo.
Cada Legado devera ser um cidadao Novoromano que
resida na Regiao que representa.

Marcus Arminius Maior
Propraetor, provincia Brasilia

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Subject:	[novaroma] Via Romana dead links
From:	owlsmirror@--------
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 18:34:34 -0000

Hi everyone. I have cleaned up the Via Romana dead links page (not
posted yet because I need to have the imprimatur of the webmaster).
It took me about a minute to ascertain all the dead links with the
program "Xenu" (a link analyzer) and about 2 hours to clean up the
links and add some more. Unfortunately, most of the Roman military
history and military informational links are dead. This is not a
subject of interest to me, so I have no good links to put in their
place. If you have an interest in this and have some good links that
I should add in, please e-mail me pronto. Thanks.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Island for Sale...
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:01:47 -0700 (PDT)

Salve, Consul Cassi.

--- Marcus Cassius Julianus <cassius622@--------> wrote:
> --- In novaroma@--------, Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> wrote:
> > I think we should also consider looking for our piece of land in
> the
> > territory of the ancient Roman Empire. There are many small islands
>
> in the Mediterranean.
> >
>
> Salvete,
>
> I agree that having former Roman territory would be wonderful!
> Unfortunately, just as with Caribbean tropical islands, Mediterranean
> islands go for several *million* dollars when they are available at
> all. Rich folks like to go play with the dolphins in the delightful
> warm water, remember!

Oh, there are many *really* small islands in the Mediterranean that no
one really wants, like the Columbretes Islands off the Spanish
Mediterranean coast. Buying on of the smallest wouldn't be so
expensive.

> I wouldn't discount such a thing as an ultimate goal. However, it's
> easier to get "perfect" land if you've proven you have the power to
> GET land of any sort! Buying something affordable, should it pop up,
> would leave us in a far better position later on. Besides, I truly
> believe the immediate benefits would be huge. We'd suddenly cease to
> be a "cyber only organization", to something so committed to Rome we
> own real world property. Some pictures of real land up on the website
> would be wonderful for attracting new Citizens!
>
> Frankly, I'd accept any kind of land, anyWHERE, for promotional
> reasons. Even an acre somewhere, with a monument and a flag sitting
> on it, says more than a cyber-presence only. Admittedly an island is
> ideal since it gives defined "borders". Yet I'd take a vacant lot
> in "East Overshoe" if we could get it without ruining the treasury.
> At least it would be a start.

I think this is a good idea. I just wish it were somewhere I can visit
some time :-).

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Subject:	[novaroma] Provincia Italia
From:	manius_constantinus_serapio@--------
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 20:50:54 -0000

AVETE OMNES!

there is a new mailing list for Provincia Italia without
restriction! People interested in this Provincia can subscribe it
immediately!
Novaroma-Italia
NR_Italia@--------
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nr_italia

gratias
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Disappointment continued and exacerbated
From:	bsmith3121@--------
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 17:33:28 EDT

It may be your browser. I was having the same problem yesterday with AOL. Every page I went to said "That page cannot be found" or "page timed out." Today it seems to be fine.

Caius Titinius Varus

In a message dated Sat, 30 Jun 2001 5:26:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owlsmirror@-------- writes:

<< As I continue to click down the links in "Via Romana" I find that not
only are my first choices "page not found" but in fact MOST of the
links are completely dead. This is very annoying and discouraging.

Paulina Corva

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Disappointment
From:	owlsmirror@--------
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 22:23:18 -0000

Absolutely,it would be definitely unRoman to ignore
obligations...BUT..I did not say that the pages are missing, but that
the links are dead...that is, they link to outside sources that are
now missing.

I ran a link-checker on it and came up with 22 broken links and
several re-directed links. (That took about a minute)
Then I spent two hours in correcting the link problems. I have sent
the corrected html code to the webmaster. It really did not take very
long at all.

Paulina Corva

> To me, it is unRoman to ignore ones outsided obligations to tend to
writing
> web pages, and in all likelihood, the pages which are missing are
being
> rewritten.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Island for Sale...
From:	"Julie & Lawrence Brooks" <anubis@-------->
Date:	Sun, 1 Jul 2001 18:28:32 -0400

Maybe we should skip the Edmonton area for land. I just got finished looking at a program on the Edmonton Mall, which is the biggest mall. It was built so people would have a place to go because it regularly gets 30 below outside during the winter. Not exactly my idea of a warm winter retreat.

Varia Cassia

----- Original Message -----
From: Decimus Antoninius Aquitanius
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Island for Sale...

This is very cool! An island for sale of a goodly
size! Marcus Cassius may quite right that it's
already been sold, but it's still worth checking out.
I'd give my thumbs up to that idea for sure. But more
importantly, this find has got us all talking about
Nova Roma's land-based future, something I think we
should focus on more often. There is tons and tons of
cheap land up here in Canada with all the resources
needed for any development! And a good point was made
that we should attempt to acquire a piece of land
before we worry about trying to acquire the perfect
location, because we could endlessly wring our hands
waiting for the best bit of land at the best price.
Just some thoughts and words to stir up this exciting
discussion!
Valete!

Decimus Antoninius.A.O

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Subject:	[novaroma] My posts do not seem to be showing up
From:	owlsmirror@--------
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 22:38:52 -0000

I posted TWO remarks on how I corrected the Via Romana page and ONE
remark explaining that I am planning a trip to the Mediterranean and
none of them has appeared. Has anyone received them at all????

Paulina Corva

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Subject:	[novaroma] Apology for getting hysterical too soon
From:	owlsmirror@--------
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:00:24 -0000

I am sorry I posted the item about my posts not appearing. I spoke
too soon. Apparently it takes a couple of hours for my posts to show
up at all. I should have waited. I will be patient next time.
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Via Romana dead links
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:13:21 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete omnes; et salve, Paulina Corva.

--- owlsmirror@-------- wrote:
> Hi everyone. I have cleaned up the Via Romana dead links page (not
> posted yet because I need to have the imprimatur of the webmaster).
> It took me about a minute to ascertain all the dead links with the
> program "Xenu" (a link analyzer) and about 2 hours to clean up the
> links and add some more. Unfortunately, most of the Roman military
> history and military informational links are dead. This is not a
> subject of interest to me, so I have no good links to put in their
> place. If you have an interest in this and have some good links that
> I should add in, please e-mail me pronto. Thanks.
>
> Paulina Corva

May I suggest this site?
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/6622/index.html#table-contents

I think it is extremely interesting.

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Subject:	[novaroma] planning a trip to the mediterranean
From:	owlsmirror@--------
Date:	Sun, 01 Jul 2001 14:59:58 -0000

Hello. I am in the planning stage for a trip to the Mediterranean.
(Italy --Rome, of course...Greece...Turkey...Egypt) I have not made
any real decisions yet. If you have been there, could you give me
some real personal tips as to where to go...and where NOT to go?
Thanks.
Paulina Corva

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] My posts do not seem to be showing up
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:15:38 -0700 (PDT)

--- owlsmirror@-------- wrote:
> I posted TWO remarks on how I corrected the Via Romana page and ONE
> remark explaining that I am planning a trip to the Mediterranean and
> none of them has appeared. Has anyone received them at all????
>
> Paulina Corva

I have, Paulina.

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] My posts do not seem to be showing up
From:	"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@-------->
Date:	Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:21:04 -0400

Salve,

The delay is due to your being a new member of the Main List. As is
explained in the "welcome" text you were sent upon subscribing, all new
members are moderated. Until a moderator gets online the posts are kept in
a pending file, hence the delay between when you send and when the message
is seen onlist.

Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
Curatrix Sermonis

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From: owlsmirror@-------- [mailto:owlsmirror@--------]
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 6:39 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] My posts do not seem to be showing up

I posted TWO remarks on how I corrected the Via Romana page and ONE
remark explaining that I am planning a trip to the Mediterranean and
none of them has appeared. Has anyone received them at all????

Paulina Corva

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 1499
From:	"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@-------->
Date:	Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:59:40 -0400

Salve,

Glad to welcome you to Nova Roma! Your wares, I can attest, are beautiful!

Vale bene,
Helena Galeria

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