| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Islands? |
| From: |
Patrick Ferguson <pvitruviusiulianus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:23:45 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salvete omnes!
Gnaeus wrote:
> What a wonderful idea, Patrici! I fully support it.
> If we were to
> choose a "Roman ghost town", there are many in
> Europe to choose from
> (there is even one extremely close to Madrid, my own
> hometown, which is
> called Segobriga). We would have to ask for loads of
> bureaucratical
> permissions (all these ruins are considered national
> patrimony
> everywhere), but it would certainly be worth the
> effort, both for our
> personal satisfaction in such a reconstruction, and
> for the great
> publicity we could get if we handled the issue
> wisely.
Patricius wrote:
Thanks for the support me amice! At this time I would
like to propose a slight variation of my idea. To get
past the permits, we could do somethiing slightly
diferent. Rather than reconstruct ruins, we could try
a reconstruction from scratch, as military reenactors
do and as has been done somewhere in North America
with a viking settlement. And since the latter has
been achieved by another (but somewhat different
group) I would recommend looking into it. If they can
do it, why can't we?
Valete optime! :->!
Patricius Vitruvius Iulianus,
Civis Novae Romae.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Canadian Island for Sale... |
| From: |
margali <margali@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 02 Jul 2001 21:55:10 -0400 |
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http://www.gov.ns.ca/nsmap.htm
Bras d'Or lakes are associated with Cape Breton Island. If you
look on the above map, you will find out just how far north we
are talking.
http://www.canadian-alliance.ns.ca/map-brador.htm
Here you can see a better view of Cape Breton, although I have'nt
bothered to find Eagle Island specifically, I could go out to the
barn and see if I can actually unearth the US Navy nav chart for
the area - I believe it is one that the quartermasters on the San
Juan gave to Rob.
The main problem with Canada is the dual language deal.
Eagle Island is IIRC a privately held island, so doing a land
claim on it is not feasable. Buying it is apparently.
My main objections:
23 acres. What are we going to do, put up a 7 bedroom house and
call it a micronation? The whole Bras d'Or is 43 miles long
total.
Exactly how much of that 23 acres is actually useable land - not
swamp/wetlands, and not vertical?
Hmmm, summer temperatures range between 15 and 35 celsius. What
is the winter range? How long is the warm season?
I do know that I spent several winter vacations in Picton,
Ontario [way further south, near Kingston] and the ice was thick
enough to drive a full size caddy limo on to get out to Amherst
Island in December. Those old beasts aren't light! It takes some
serious cold to get ice that thick.
What is already on the island?
How willing to let us seceed would Canada be? Here inthe US we
sort of had to really complain to get free - and they never
really have let go of most of their other possessions [well,
except the silly slitch of a queen seems to be selling off the
british industrial base to the japanese - maybe the empire will
be trilingual soon?]
margali
~~~~~
responding to several pieces of info and questions
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Me, too! |
| From: |
margali <margali@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 02 Jul 2001 21:31:08 -0400 |
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That's what I did - Hyapatia was the only female librarian of the
Library of Alexandria, and Asinia Pollio was an historian, and as
I love books, and history it seemed perfect, and my familiar
name, Margali happens to be the name that everybody calls me ;-)
margali
Hyapatia Asinia Margali
~~~~~
the quote starts here:
You could take the name
of some of your favorite historical Roman personalities for
instance. Or
You could start looking for a Nomen that seems to be strong and
active (
and which You like) in Nova Roma and ask the Pater Familias if
You can
join, this is probably the best way as You will give You strong
support
from your Gens (Clan based on the Nomen).
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Ager Publicus |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:12:41 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salvete Quirites,
What do we intend to do with any land that we may
acquire?
Do we wish to start out with some land that we shall
do nothing with?
Just a symbolic property as a token of sovereignty? If
this is the
case it really doesn't matter if it's in West Texas,
Northern Canada,
or Somewhere else as long as it's cheap to buy, and
won't cost a lot
in the Taxes that it's present Macro National owner
will demand. We
could just join some of the Macro National governments
and claim a
slice of Antarctica for that matter.
On the other hand I see that many of our citizens have
some ideas
about developing, and even living in a Nova Roman
homeland. Lets not
forget one thing. Our primary goal isn't a distant
homestead, or a
tourist attraction. It's a Forum that will be the
focus of the
Religio. This land will be publicly owned. If any
Civies wish to live
near (NOT IN) our forum, then I think that it is thier
responsibility
to acquire the nearby lands themselves. Let the Public
pay for the
Public lands we require for our Forum, and nothing
else. We may wish
to acquire more land that we need for the Forum, and
subdivide the
remainder and SELL plots to interested citizens to
help defray the costs.
Islands have a romantic allure, but that drives the
price of the land
up. It increases the costs of any construction, and
the cost of any
utilities. Don't bother reminding me that Roma had no
electricity. Roma
Antiquita did not have an internet population that
would be cut off
from contact with her due to having no modern
utilities either. The
Internet is our Roman roads and we rely on our
electronic roads as
much as Roma of old relied on her roads. The only
advantage I can see
for an island is for a possible claim of sovereignty,
and that is
unlikely to be respected on an island in international
waters, let
alone an island near the coast of a nation. Do not
forget that the UK
and Argentina fought a war over the Falklands/Malvinas
not too long
ago. That is how strongly the Macro Nations feel about
thier claims to
thier islands.
Since we are talking about our forum where a Temple
will be located,
we can't forget that the Rites of the Religio will be
performed there,
and these rites are often performed OUTSIDE at the
altar in front of
the Temple. That means we will require an area with
mild winters like
Roma has. I for one would not look forward to
performing an outdoor
ceremony, wearing a Toga, in area with a harsh winter.
We would require land that is within a reasonable
drive of an Airport
that is serviced by a major airline, say a few hours
drive. We will
require land that has good access to a road, or we
shall be faced with
as bad a problem getting construction materials in as
we have with an
island.
While the idea of reinhabiting a actual roman town has
a romantic
allure, getting permission to do so will be extreamly
hard, and many
will consider any thing we do to make the site more
than a collection
of ruins vandalizing an archelogical site.
Valete,
L. Sicinius Drusus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] A Home for Nova Roma |
| From: |
Daniel Dreesbach <stakor2000@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:27:39 -0700 (PDT) |
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Should we not own property in ROma itself?
Gauis Geminius Germanus
--- Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
> An island sounds ideal, however, let us not overlook
> the many other opportunities that the U.S. and
> Canada offer. Although I have no wish to turn
> completely survivalist, i do love the outdoors. I
> remember the days of Communes that had the same idea
> of forming communities of like minded individuals.
> The most common problems were people getting along,
> staph and other infections because they used no
> products that might harm the environment, other
> sanitary considerations, concerns of indigenous wild
> life, security against fanatics and other criminals,
> food acquistion, growing and preparation, all the
> daily chores and conveniences that we take for
> granted, what if someone (gods forbid) should need
> medical care, urgent or otherwise?
> The idea of the Renaissance villages, is a good one.
> Some have permanent buildings, however, insurance
> does not permit habitation. Health and fire
> departments and insurance are the biggest obstacles
> to overcome. Here in California, it is mind
> boggling. Oh yeah, don't forget property taxes for
> purchased land. Yearly taxes are very high in some
> states.
> I live in California, however, I have also lived in
> Arizona. The local government used to be more
> liberal in AZ and I believe it still is. Texas and
> Arizona are not entirely desert with snakes and
> scorpions either. Well, I have not been to Texas in
> a long time and I am not sure about the geography.
> I have a brother in Real Estate in AZ and I shall
> ask if he knows of land in Payson or Prescott.
> These are both mountainous areas with extremely mild
> climates. It rarely snows and most the year the
> climate is very mild and it is quite beautiful.
> There have been a few hot spells in Prescott,
> reaching in the 90 degree range, however, it beats
> the over 115 to 125 degrees it gets in Phoenix.
> And, why could we not have an East Coast and West
> Coast packages.? People on either side of the U.S.
> and Canada could each pay for their respective
> areas. Otherwise, I think it will be very difficult
> to get folks to participate financially who are on
> opposite ends of the continent. It might be more
> realist to think in smaller parcels and more
> localized areas to begin with. Although, I know it
> is important just to purchase a piece of reality for
> Nova Roma even if the property is not used right
> away.
> I am certain that I am not relating anything new,
> just a reality check for us to think about. I have
> had some experience in a very small production of
> this sort years ago. It is a wonderful idea, I
> think it will just take time and a lot of dough. The
> idea of a land fund is probably the best way to go
> and those who are really serious and interested will
> be around for the long haul. Those that are not,
> will "fall by the wayside" so to speak. Most people
> have other priorities.
> Being new, I hope I have not offended anyone. I
> would really like to see this dream come true too.
> Here's to a brave new world and all those with the
> pioneer spirit!
> Vale!
> Maximina Octavia
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Canadian Island for Sale... |
| From: |
margali <margali@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 02 Jul 2001 22:15:30 -0400 |
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Just as an aside to the land thing -
I am currently being considered for a job in the communication
tower site development industry. You know those large towers they
put up so us effete snobs can have uninterrupted cellservice?
Well, the prospective company [and others in the same industry]
work by contracting with 'cingulair' or the equivalent cell
company to put up towers in specified locations. The site
locators go looking for [best] an extant tower they can mount a
'server' on or a landowner who doesn't miind having a tower put
on the property.
The upshot? The land owner that has a tower on the property
leases that little 10x10 foot piece of land plus unrestricted
access for maintenance and construction for $2000 per MONTH per
server. Each server [and a tower will support 7 servers] gives
the land owner 2000 US. [and for those math impaired like me - 7
servers does indeed mean $14,000 US per month lease money coming
in!]
All we would have to do is find a small plot of land that they
want to put a tower on, and the land would [depending on how much
land/how much mortgage and taxes run] be essentially self
supporting, requiring only investment after purchase of the
improvements.
margali
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] This Isle thing |
| From: |
Kristoffer From <from@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 03 Jul 2001 00:10:54 +0200 |
|
Patrick Ferguson wrote:
> We could recreate a small portion of a Roman town
> (forum, market, baths, temple, insula and workshops,
> maybe even a villa) and make it a tourist attraction.
> But, it could be used in such a way (if there were
> enough people willing to do so) that the people who
> work there would actually live there, and it could
> grow into a fully functional Roman town.
Salvete, Patricius Vitruvius Iulianus et omnes.
Admittedly, a fascinating idea, although not a really original one. I
believe the first place I heard of this, was in a Donald Duck magazine,
where Scrooge rebuilt Pompei, and then allowed tourists to either live
there, like romans, or just come visit. He made money, until some
fireworks and a lot of flour (Don't ask) caused Vesuvio to erupt.
No point here, 'cept maybe to get this discussion back on the ground.
Keep it simple at first, folks, then if it works out alright, expand. A
healthy amount of cyniscism never hurt anyone. The same can,
unfortunately, not be said for optimism. Hope for the best, plan for the
worst, and you won't get disappointed, or worse, ruined.
Anyway, I recommend you postpone any actual purchase for at least a
couple of years, so you can be certain of what you want, and why you
want it. Don't jump at the first "golden opportunity" to arise, first
decide upon what will be done on the land, then determine what you need
for those things to be done, then start looking for a piece of land
fitting all the essential criteria, and as many of the secondary as
possible.
In a word: Chill.
Valete,
Titus Octavius Pius,
Consiliarius Thules,
Praeco Anarei Thules,
Scriba to the Curator Araneum
AKA Kristoffer From
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Ager Publicus |
| From: |
"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 02 Jul 2001 23:06:01 -0000 |
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Salvete Quirites,
What do we intend to do with any land that we may aquire?
Do we wish to start out with some land that we shall do nothing with?
Just a symbolic properity as a token of sovereignty? If this is the
case it really dosen't matter if it's in West Texas, Northern Canada,
or Somewhere else as long as it's cheap to buy, and won't cost a lot
in the Taxes that it's present Macro National owner will demand. We
could just join some of the Macro National governments and claim a
slice of Antartica for that matter.
On the other hand I see that many of our citizens have some ideas
about developing, and even living in a Nova Roman homeland. Lets not
forget one thing. Our primary goal isn't a distant homestead, or a
tourist attraction. It's a Forum that will be the focus of the
Religio. This land will be publicly owned. If any Civies wish to live
near (NOT IN) our forum, then I think that it is thier responsibility
to aquire the nearby lands themselves. Let the Public pay for the
Public lands we require for our Forum, and nothing else. We may wish
to aquire more land that we need for the Forum, and subdivide the
remainder and SELL plots to intrested citizens to help defray the costs.
Islands have a romantic allure, but that drives the price of the land
up. It increases the costs of any construction, and the cost of any
utilities. Don't bother reminding me that Roma had no electricty. Roma
Antiquita did not have an internet population that would be cut off
from contact with her due to having no modern utilities either. The
Internet is our Roman roads and we rely on our electronic roads as
much as Roma of old relied on her roads. The only advantage I can see
for an island is for a possible claim of sovereignty, and that is
unlikely to be respected on an island in international waters, let
alone an island near the coast of a nation. Do not forget that the UK
and Argentinia fought a war over the Falklands/Malvinas not too long
ago. That is how strongly the Macro Nations feel about thier claims to
thier islands.
Since we are talking about our forum where a Temple will be located,
we can't forget that the Rites of the Religio will be performed there,
and these rites are often performed OUTSIDE at the altar in front of
the Temple. That means we will require an area with mild winters like
Roma has. I for one would not look forward to performing an outdoor
ceremony, wearing a Toga, in area with a harsh winter.
We would require land that is within a reasonable drive of an Airport
that is serviced by a major airline, say a few hours drive. We will
require land that has good access to a road, or we shall be faced with
as bad a problem getting construction materials in as we have with an
island.
While the idea of reinhabiting a actual roman town has a romantic
allure, getting permission to do so will be extreamly hard, and many
will consider any thing we do to make the site more than a collection
of ruins vandalizing an archelogical site.
Valete,
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] A Home for Nova Roma |
| From: |
exitil@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:04:28 EDT |
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As a sovereign nation, NR should, if it were to have land, refuse to pay
taxes to those governments that it does not request the services of. If NR
does not put US hospitals, military, or law enforcement to use, it should not
have to pay for their existence or maintenance; nor should taxes be paid on
land that it owns, as if rent to a nation that still owns the land. Either
NR owns the land, or it does not. Also, I believe present property taxes are
not meant as rent to the government, or at least, that is not the image of
those taxes that is presented to landowners - the land taxes are to fund
various things, which means that, in the case of NR not using those things
that "the government" provides, it should not be required to pay for those
things that the land taxes generally go toward either.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] LAND PURSUITS: ADDRESS FROM PROPRAETRIX CANADA ORIENTALIS |
| From: |
"Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <scriba_forum@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 03 Jul 2001 03:59:29 -0000 |
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Propraetrix Canada Orientalis Pompeia Cornelia Strabo Senate et Populus
Novae Romae S.P.D.
THIS IS A TAD LONG, BUT PLEASE READ (I'm not yelling with the caps)
I have been working this long Canadian weekend, and aside from a few short
remarks, I have been unable, until now, render you a comprehensive opinion
of the purchase of land for use of our res publica. Since I have been asked
to investigate land parcels, I feel at liberty to give your my extensive
appraisal.
I have read all your posts, and my remarks will likely encroach on the
several opinions and suggestions rendered here in the forum by our citizens
and magistrates. Rather than address all of these individually, I will
apologize in advance for my redundance, where applicable, and thank you for
your enthusiastic attitudes toward the growth of Nova Roma.
The purchase of land for use by the citizens of Nova Roma is a positive
thing, in my view. We do not have to have every plan in place prior to the
purchase of land. We *do* however, have to establish how we are going to
pay for it, and we should have a general agreement on the location of the
land and further, a general consensus regarding our goals for this land.
Regarding the geographical location, key factors which must be entertained.
To wit:
The cost of course. And this is relative. Sometimes spending a few extra
dollars on land that is accessible to a good majority of our citizens and
potential paying visitors is a more viable investment than buying dirt-cheap
land which is inaccessible and undesirable climate-wise. The latter is a
waste of money.
Let us not forget property taxes, and in some cases, applicable school taxes
(yes!) . Let us also not close our eyes to the thousand and one engineers
fees, survey, and permits to build structures on this land.
Another factor: How well will we be received by our macronational
neighbours? There is no sense buying in a location where there are those
surrounding us who would not cope well with the religious aspects of the
Religio. It is pointless to buy in the Bible belt of the U.S., and even in
some of the more southern states, we would be rather unwelcomed. We do not
need the harassment of protests, and possible violence contesting us. With
the greatest of respect to those residing in Texas, from what I had read
regarding the general social and judicial milieu in this state, I am dubious
about how well we would be received there.
Another factor, a region beseiged with violence between warring macronations
and communities within macronations is a factor in the consideration of
buying any land in certain sections of the world (trying to think of all the
basics here)
Another factor: Accessibility by its citizens. Any central venue in the
U.S. to me is accessible by citizens in the U.S. and Canada.
Pontifex et Consul Cassius has suggested a potential island in eastern
Canada. Well, an eastern location in Canada or the U.S. would be more
easily accessible to our citizens from Europe, who will be paying a higher
cost to come abroad. Food for thought.
Another factor: How many active citizens in the land location. An active
governor? Would these individuals be willing to help out with the initial
red tape and administration of this property? Is the governor bondable?
Another factor: It is dangerous to buy a parcel of land, sight unseen. It
will have to be professionally inspected for suitability as a building site.
In time..we could perhaps purchase two or three more parcels of land,
distributed throughout the world for the enjoyments of our citizens.
At this time, at our wee age of 3 years, we should first concentrate on one.
*****
The *General* consensus regarding our goals for use of the land:
>From what I can glean here, from reading the posts, there appears to be some
confusion regarding why we are purchasing the land. We must clarify this:
We are a sovereign nation and we lay claim to a small part of planet earth,
right? This inplies that we wish to lay claim, financially, to a parcel of
land, and claim it as our own, independent of the host macronation.
No country is going to give us that status, sight unseen. We are 3 years
old. The majority of out activity to date has been cyber. We have not yet
even scratched the surface of proving ourselves to the world as a peaceful,
loving community. This is years down the road. So is having enough money to
build our own island. Doable, but a *big -buck* proposal for miles down the
road.
Homesteading: This is years away, as I see it. To be frank with you, I am
illprepared to give up my wellpaying job to move to an alien venue to
homestead for Nova Roma. Simply because I do not feel called to do this,
and this in itself is not going to help Nova Roma. And to homestead, you
would have to eventually become a citizen of your macronational host.
THE VISION I FIND MOST REALISTIC AND ADVANTAGEOUS(I'm not yelling):
Let us purchase land for us as Nova Romani to use to promote ourselves, and
to hold physical gatherings, both private and public. Let us use this land
to promote Nova Roma in the eyes of the world, and to nurture each other in
the celebration of the things we embrace and enjoy.
I see this as a place where we could hold:
Public Festivals and Musical Concerts
Roman Military Reenactments
Pontificial Retreats or Retreats held by the collegium of a member of the
collegium
Religious Festivals
Conventions, could be provincial, gens conventions
Senatorial Summits
This is a place which could be shared by all of us,and a place which could
be used to generate income toward more complex and expensive goals.
Personally, I think we *need* this venue to nourish our growth and our
desire for phyical contact with other Nova Romani, and I think we need this
as a means of showing the public what we truly are, giving them time to
recognize that we are a people of a peaceful, nonthreatening mission. And
then, we can perhaps talk physical sovereignity, as opposed to it being a
vision in our hearts.
WHAT ARE WE TRULY??? (again no yelling)
Let me begin by saying what I think we truly are *not*. We are not an
Italian village (sorry to the suggestor of this), we are not *history
buffs*, although the latter is within our purview. We are a group of
citizens of a macronation called Nova Roma. We seek to purchase land for
the celebration and enjoyment of the culture, history, philosophies, and
spiritualities of Roma Antiquita Res publica. Period!
Granted Rome could at one point be considered an Italian village, but such a
statement is not completely true of Nova Roma, is it? Let us be honest
about who we are, and not be fearful of presenting ourselves and our
constitution to our host micronation. To do anything less would imply that
we have something to hide.....nope, actually we have much to give, don't we
quirites?
One step at a time. We get the land. We then dot our I's and cross our
T's in terms of what we will do to dress the land up. A forum, shops, food
vendors, events, that stuff. How often is it available to the public?
Perhaps not always.....during religious retreats, perhaps privacy is
desired, if intimate sharing of religous rituals and personal experiences
are involved.
ADDENDUM (I'm not going to tell you I am not yelling :))
I will say some things in favour of Canada as a location, but please do not
feel I am not in favour of an alternate location, if the consensus is such:
U.S. dollars are worth 40-50% more than Canadian dollars and this has been
pretty constant for a long time.
Interest rates in Canada and U.S. are quite low. In 1980 in Canada during
the recession they were 20% (!).....they are now running at approx. 6.8-8%
depending on the terms.
Canada is very multicultural in nature. This is one neck of planet Earth
where Nova Roma would likely be best received. Our goverment has been
singing a litany to multiculturalism for years.
Although it might cost some folks in the U.S. more to travel to Canada
(thinking of the south) the cost of expenses, once there, is very low. And
it is not like people are going to travel to this venue every week.
And if there were ever a particular speaker or citizen we would like to see
at a certain event, well, what is the harm, in time, with just flying him in
and feeding him? For example, I think I could listen to Pontiff Graecus for
hours....he'd be a great speaker :) And there are others: Proconsul Fabius
with his knowledge of history and the Religio. We have others.
In close (finally!)......hey wake up!!. There is nothing wrong with
purchasing a piece of land which is appropriate, taking into account the
aforementioned. We could sit on it, and it could always be resold.
But, if we are *really* going to put this land to work for us, well, Nova
Roma, be prepared to roll up your sleeves and do a bit of work and planning.
Would anyone volunteer their time to doing some building on the site?
I know of no architect who could construct a military fort....so guess who's
job that would be?????
The same goes for temples..........
You have my thoughts. I shall investigate some Canadian land parcels and
render my suggestions to the Senate. I have also written myself regarding
the availability of Eagle Island.
I thank you for your time.
Bene valete
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Re: [novaroma] LAND PURSUITS: ADDRESS FROM PROPRAETRIX CANADA ORIENTALIS |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 03 Jul 2001 01:02:54 -0400 |
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Pompeia Cornelia Strabo wrote:
> The cost of course. And this is relative. Sometimes spending a few extra
> dollars on land that is accessible to a good majority of our citizens and
> potential paying visitors is a more viable investment than buying dirt-cheap
> land which is inaccessible and undesirable climate-wise. The latter is a
> waste of money.
>
> Let us not forget property taxes, and in some cases, applicable school taxes
> (yes!) . Let us also not close our eyes to the thousand and one engineers
> fees, survey, and permits to build structures on this land.
>
To is obvious our nation cannot even approach the level of funds needed with
our current treasury. Some very important modifications must be looked at
before the actual purchasing of land could take place. Taxes should be
looked at more closely for starters. This action alone would greatly
influence our funds for the better and be a great step in the right
direction.
> Another factor: How well will we be received by our macronational
> neighbours? There is no sense buying in a location where there are those
> surrounding us who would not cope well with the religious aspects of the
> Religio. It is pointless to buy in the Bible belt of the U.S., and even in
> some of the more southern states, we would be rather unwelcomed. We do not
> need the harassment of protests, and possible violence contesting us. With
> the greatest of respect to those residing in Texas, from what I had read
> regarding the general social and judicial milieu in this state, I am dubious
> about how well we would be received there.
Canada is by far one of the best places in the world regarding this factor.
> Another factor: Accessibility by its citizens. Any central venue in the
> U.S. to me is accessible by citizens in the U.S. and Canada.
> Pontifex et Consul Cassius has suggested a potential island in eastern
> Canada. Well, an eastern location in Canada or the U.S. would be more
> easily accessible to our citizens from Europe, who will be paying a higher
> cost to come abroad. Food for thought.
>
This should play a large part in selecting land. We cannot buy a piece of
land that will be easy access from all the provincia. Although we should try
to buy a piece of land that will be easy access for the majority of
citizens. Any places like Eastern Asia where there is hardly a presence of
Nova Roma should be avoided even if cheap land is available. If we as a
whole nation cannot visit the land easy then it is pointless to purchase
any.
>
> In time..we could perhaps purchase two or three more parcels of land,
> distributed throughout the world for the enjoyments of our citizens.
> At this time, at our wee age of 3 years, we should first concentrate on one.
Buying land could raise more funds and thus buy more land else where. I like
to think of the first piece of land as one of many stepping stones towards
are ultimate goal. Purchasing land eventually in Europe and North America
would also greatly improve accessibility.
> I will say some things in favour of Canada as a location, but please do not
> feel I am not in favour of an alternate location, if the consensus is such:
> U.S. dollars are worth 40-50% more than Canadian dollars and this has been
> pretty constant for a long time.
Being Canadian I have personal hopes that we purchase Canadian land for
reasons of accessibility. I wish to defend a popular reason that was put
forward against Canadian land. From reading comments from anther citizens
many seem to be concerned of the climate. In response to this I must say it
is really not as bad as many people think. The proposed island in Nova
Scotia is hardly a remote northern outpost. The climate would be very
livable for the majority of the year, perfect for uses such as events and
meetings.
> You have my thoughts. I shall investigate some Canadian land parcels and
> render my suggestions to the Senate. I have also written myself regarding
> the availability of Eagle Island.
I will keep my eyes open also for any good offers that may catch my eye.
More suggestions can't hurt. It is great to see the nation as a whole taking
this seriously.
"Quamquam cupido sis delictum ab sui crebro suum mater ab vitualis"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] A Home for Nova Roma |
| From: |
Antonius Corvus Septimius <antoniuscorvusseptimius@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 2 Jul 2001 22:03:04 -0700 (PDT) |
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--- Daniel Dreesbach <stakor2000@--------> wrote:
> Should we not own property in ROma itself?
>
> Gauis Geminius Germanus
No. ---- A. Corvus Septimius
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[novaroma] Climate |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Jul 2001 01:22:49 -0400 (EDT) |
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Nova Roma Citizens;
At very close to the same latitude as the Bras d Ors Lake is the small
town of Louisburg on the Northeast Coast of Nova Scotia. I spent a
vacation there in '94 and '95 (in '95 at the Louisburg "95 Reenactment)
at restored Fortress Louisburg. In studying the history of the period
we find that when British Colonial Forces captured Louisburg in 1745 or
thereabouts, the Colonial Garrison left there for the winter all nearly
died of pnuemonia. My experience was that the climate was wet, foggy,
and cold, for most of the year. It is described as the North American
Highlands, and was home to many Scots who were displaced by the Highland
Clearances ad were used to the weather in the highlands of Scotland.
Cape Breton Isand is said to be similar.
I loved it when I was there, as it was an unusaul stretch of a week when
the weather was cool and bright. An unusual situation according to the
many Canadians that we talked to.
By all means, Senator Fortunatus is correct. We must keep the idea
before us, however, money, effort, planning and much more will be
required. At present what I hear are the ever-present ideas by those
who expect our non-existant "Government Staff" to work out the details.
We currently pay a young man approximately $250.00 per week as a
"Fortkeeper" at Fort Nahan Hale in New Haven (close to minimum wage) to
keep down vandalism inthat city park and do light maintenance work.
Something similar will be required until responsible people will move to
the proposed acreage, for vandalism, trespass, and squatter-living is
rampant in the Western US. There are several ghost towns in Nevada,
however distances of 50 to 75 miles between gas statons is not uncommon
outside the large cities, which may have something to do with their
being "ghost towns."
Yes, there are bargains out there, but in 95% of them a careful look
will reveal why the deal is such a bargain, otherwise the cost would be
much higher. Many people who enjoy a large single or collective income
are in the market for the same kind of place that we are looking for and
they generally have better agents for the location of those places that
NR does, more ready purchase cash and "fix-up" cash. So if it has not
been snapped up by suchlike, there will be a good reason. A thorough
review should be in order by someone who knows what they are doing and
that will cost up front as well. It may be well to concentrate for now
on the means rather than the end. At this point we probably could not
afford a medium priced land surveyor, much less an island without
significant problem areas (my guess).
Uhhhhh Consul Cassius, a part of this year's Annual Budget is in an
investment Fund for such a purchase. The Constitution's comment that we
are looking for a place to purchase and my insistance as last year's
Budget designer was the basic reason for the Senate's approval of that
part of the Budget.
One of the problem's with foriegn governments is they have in the past
taken over large companies and Retirement villages, with no intention of
reimbursng the owners (Americans living there--Mexico, Costa Rica,
excetera-- the warmer areas where people are looking to live.)
Virtually every aspect of the owning of land, over and above the
purchase price, will be expensive, uninviting, or in many cases
dangerous. Islands have a transport problem for food , potable water
and medical service during coastal storms, WestTexas has hard winters
and Torndos, the Eastern Seaboard has Hurricanes, the Western Seaboard
where tsuamis are not unknown, and earthquakes are common, Middle
America has periodic floods and droughts, and the northern states hard
winters where 20 below zero is not uncommon.
I have lived in many places in the states, and have witnessed most of
these weather conditions, and other situations. I would recommend a
deep hard look at any and all "good deals" to see just who the "good
deal" is for!!!
Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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Re: [novaroma] Ah, if only we had a million dollars US... |
| From: |
CmndrZil@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Jul 2001 02:01:44 EDT |
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In a message dated 7/1/01 7:34:11 AM, cassius622@-------- writes:
>The asking price is $1, 250,000
>a sum far lager than we'll be seeing anytime soon.
You need to be positive and upbeat. A million dollars really has no meaning
in the world anymore. Various people need to win the lottery, play "Who
Wants to be A Millionaire" and "The Weakest Link." It would not be wise to
invest in the stock market because of the upcoming recession, so we'll have
to depend on unreliable money making schemes. But, if you insist upon being
negative, you'll never get anywhere.
Tarquinia Euphemia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Latin Translation request |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 03 Jul 2001 02:41:57 -0700 |
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Ave,
I have seen this tagline passed on a couple of times, can someone
tranlate:
"Censer Carthagine esse delendam "
Thank you,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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Re: [novaroma] Ah, if only we had a million dollars US... |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 03 Jul 2001 02:45:06 -0700 |
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CmndrZil@-------- wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/1/01 7:34:11 AM, cassius622@-------- writes:
>
> >The asking price is $1, 250,000
> >a sum far lager than we'll be seeing anytime soon.
>
> You need to be positive and upbeat. A million dollars really has no
> meaning
> in the world anymore. Various people need to win the lottery, play
> "Who
> Wants to be A Millionaire" and "The Weakest Link." It would not be
> wise to
> invest in the stock market because of the upcoming recession, so we'll
> have
> to depend on unreliable money making schemes. But, if you insist upon
> being
> negative, you'll never get anywhere.
Ave,
I believe it our Consul is nto being negative, but realistic. There is
a substantial difference. However, I am being realistic when I say that
this thread about the island is very premature. It is my personal
opinion. I hope that one day we will have a homeland for Nova Roma. I
hope it will be in my lifetime. But, I believe there are alot of other
aspects that must be dealt with first. Having a homeland requires a
stable source of revenue. Nova Roma does not even have that yet. We
should work on that and that will be a major step in the right
direction.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] A Home for Nova Roma |
| From: |
Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:43:48 -0700 (PDT) |
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Daniel Dreesbach <stakor2000@--------> wrote:
Should we not own property in ROma itself?
Gauis Geminius Germanus
Salvete,
Sure, Why not? Why shouldn't we have a Nova Roma property site in every country. As far as I am concerned it would be nice to have a Nova Roma in every state in the U.S. as well, preferrably one that is convenient for me! (LOL)
I see no reason why Nova Roma can't be in several different places eventually. Roman Ghost towns are a great idea. I will probably never be able to visit Roma, however, that is why I suggested places closer to where I live.
I am sure that whatever site is chosen, not everyone will agree to the location. That's life. I am just happy to be a member.
Vale!
Maximina Octavia
--- Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> wrote:
>
> Salvete,
> An island sounds ideal, however, let us not overlook
> the many other opportunities that the U.S. and
> Canada offer. Although I have no wish to turn
> completely survivalist, i do love the outdoors. I
> remember the days of Communes that had the same idea
> of forming communities of like minded individuals.
> The most common problems were people getting along,
> staph and other infections because they used no
> products that might harm the environment, other
> sanitary considerations, concerns of indigenous wild
> life, security against fanatics and other criminals,
> food acquistion, growing and preparation, all the
> daily chores and conveniences that we take for
> granted, what if someone (gods forbid) should need
> medical care, urgent or otherwise?
> The idea of the Renaissance villages, is a good one.
> Some have permanent buildings, however, insurance
> does not permit habitation. Health and fire
> departments and insurance are the biggest obstacles
> to overcome. Here in California, it is mind
> boggling. Oh yeah, don't forget property taxes for
> purchased land. Yearly taxes are very high in some
> states.
> I live in California, however, I have also lived in
> Arizona. The local government used to be more
> liberal in AZ and I believe it still is. Texas and
> Arizona are not entirely desert with snakes and
> scorpions either. Well, I have not been to Texas in
> a long time and I am not sure about the geography.
> I have a brother in Real Estate in AZ and I shall
> ask if he knows of land in Payson or Prescott.
> These are both mountainous areas with extremely mild
> climates. It rarely snows and most the year the
> climate is very mild and it is quite beautiful.
> There have been a few hot spells in Prescott,
> reaching in the 90 degree range, however, it beats
> the over 115 to 125 degrees it gets in Phoenix.
> And, why could we not have an East Coast and West
> Coast packages.? People on either side of the U.S.
> and Canada could each pay for their respective
> areas. Otherwise, I think it will be very difficult
> to get folks to participate financially who are on
> opposite ends of the continent. It might be more
> realist to think in smaller parcels and more
> localized areas to begin with. Although, I know it
> is important just to purchase a piece of reality for
> Nova Roma even if the property is not used right
> away.
> I am certain that I am not relating anything new,
> just a reality check for us to think about. I have
> had some experience in a very small production of
> this sort years ago. It is a wonderful idea, I
> think it will just take time and a lot of dough. The
> idea of a land fund is probably the best way to go
> and those who are really serious and interested will
> be around for the long haul. Those that are not,
> will "fall by the wayside" so to speak. Most people
> have other priorities.
> Being new, I hope I have not offended anyone. I
> would really like to see this dream come true too.
> Here's to a brave new world and all those with the
> pioneer spirit!
> Vale!
> Maximina Octavia
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Islands, lands and housing. |
| From: |
margali <margali@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 03 Jul 2001 09:10:33 -0400 |
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;-)
The problem with thoreau is that he was all of a mile or so from
his family home, and went home for dinner frequently ;-0
All talk and little action ;-) Ah, romantics ;-)
margali
~~~~~
the quote starts here
Thoreau and the transcendentalist period. Brings back fond
memories. Okay
that was slightly irrelevant. My personal thoughts on moving to
an island,
as long as my parents cannot find me, sounds lovely.
Pax,
Aeternia
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Re: [novaroma] A Home for Nova Roma |
| From: |
margali <margali@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 03 Jul 2001 09:19:17 -0400 |
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Remember the problems with the 'militia' a few years back in the
northern midwest who felt that way? IIRC many of them are still
in the slammer.
In the continental US, Hawaii and Alaska, if you do not pay your
income and property taxes, you will be prosecuted to the full
extent of the law. Native americans do hold micronation status,
BUT they have actually had it since the 1800s and the various
treaties our government signed with each group. They did not get
it yesterday [chronologically speaking] because they were NEVER
AMERICAN CITIZENS. They had protectorate status, like
Phillipines, Guamanians, Puerto Ricans and Virgin Islanders [and
a few other island chains that are or were our portectorate areas
after WWII.]
If y'all want, I am sure that I can treat it just like any other
memorandum of law and find all of the pertinant cases.
margali
Hyapatia Asinia
who counts a partial indian as a husband, and several other
indians as friends.
~~~~~
the quote starts here:
If NR
does not put US hospitals, military, or law enforcement to use,
it should not
have to pay for their existence or maintenance; nor should taxes
be paid on
land that it owns, as if rent to a nation that still owns the
land
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Latin Translation request |
| From: |
"Marek Grajek" <MarekJG@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:59:38 +0200 |
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> Ave,
>
> I have seen this tagline passed on a couple of times, can someone
> tranlate:
>
> "Censer Carthagine esse delendam "
>
Salve,
This is (slightly distorted) sentence by Marcus Cato (in original: Ceterum
censeo Carthaginem delendam esse). Cato thought that Carthage, even
defeated, represents the continuous threat to Rome and should be erased.
Therefore he used to end any of his speeches in the Senate stating: "This is
my opinion in this matter. Besides I think that Cathage must be destroyed"
(Plutarch, Cato, 27, Cicero, De senctute, 18).
Contrary to Cato's opinion I believe that Carthage (or any other form of
external threat or opposition) is one of the things Nova Roma needs most.
Even the ancient Rome was most united around the traditional virtues facing
the immediate threat. Judging after mostly unrelated to the Romanitas
discussions in the list a bit of external challenge would act in NR's
favour. This is my opinion in this matter.
Cneus Marcus Aquila
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Latin Translation request |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Tiberius=20Apollonius=20Cicatrix?= <consulromanus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:37:55 +0100 (BST) |
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Ti. Apollonius Cicatrix censori L. Cornelio Sullae
Felici S.P.D.
I think it should be "censeo" instead of "censer",
because this is one of the most famous Roman sentences
in history. It is said to belong to Cato Maior, who
finished every intervention he did in the senate with
this sentence. It means "I think Carthage should be
destroyed".
--- Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
<alexious@--------> wrote: > Ave,
>
> I have seen this tagline passed on a couple of
> times, can someone
> tranlate:
>
> "Censer Carthagine esse delendam "
>
> Thank you,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Vale bene
=====
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
civis Novae Romae
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Ah, if only we had a million dollars US... |
| From: |
Daniel Dreesbach <stakor2000@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Jul 2001 07:16:31 -0700 (PDT) |
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I believe that a fund should be set up where people
set aside a monetary amount of their choice. Those
with higher investment have a higher voice in control
of the land.
Gauis Geminius Germanus
--- Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
<alexious@--------> wrote:
>
>
> CmndrZil@-------- wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 7/1/01 7:34:11 AM,
> cassius622@-------- writes:
> >
> > >The asking price is $1, 250,000
> > >a sum far lager than we'll be seeing anytime
> soon.
> >
> > You need to be positive and upbeat. A million
> dollars really has no
> > meaning
> > in the world anymore. Various people need to win
> the lottery, play
> > "Who
> > Wants to be A Millionaire" and "The Weakest Link."
> It would not be
> > wise to
> > invest in the stock market because of the upcoming
> recession, so we'll
> > have
> > to depend on unreliable money making schemes.
> But, if you insist upon
> > being
> > negative, you'll never get anywhere.
>
> Ave,
>
> I believe it our Consul is nto being negative, but
> realistic. There is
> a substantial difference. However, I am being
> realistic when I say that
> this thread about the island is very premature. It
> is my personal
> opinion. I hope that one day we will have a
> homeland for Nova Roma. I
> hope it will be in my lifetime. But, I believe
> there are alot of other
> aspects that must be dealt with first. Having a
> homeland requires a
> stable source of revenue. Nova Roma does not even
> have that yet. We
> should work on that and that will be a major step in
> the right
> direction.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: LAND PURSUITS: ADDRESS FROM PROPRAETRIX CANADA ORIENTALIS |
| From: |
LSergAust@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:32:06 EDT |
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Salve Pompeia Cornelia
This is an excellent, well thought-out analysis. You are to be commended
for it.
I agree that a location in eastern Canada would be a logical place for
our first colonia. I suspect, however, that there will always be vocal
people who would prefer it to be on the other side of the pond. Perhaps
if we have a definite plan, with a committment for our second colonia to
be on the opposite side of Mare Atlantica from the first, this would
satisfy European cives.
Vale,
L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] A Home for Nova Roma |
| From: |
exitil@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:11:00 EDT |
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In a message dated 7/3/01 8:37:30 AM Central Daylight Time,
margali@-------- writes:
> Remember the problems with the 'militia' a few years back in the
> northern midwest who felt that way? IIRC many of them are still
> in the slammer.
The Montana Freemen are in the slammer because they used counterfeit money to
fund their little town, to the tune of multiple millions - not because they
declared independence. The gov cares little for a couple hundred near-bare
acres in Montana, of all places.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Ah, if only we had a million dollars US... |
| From: |
Sextus Cornelius Cotta <sextus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 03 Jul 2001 16:16:46 -0500 |
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We should just hope someone wins the Publisher's Clearing House or American
Family Publisher's sweepstakes prizes.
Sextus Cornelius Cotta
PS: I should have included the Readers Digest sweepstakes also.
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AIM: SextusCornelius
> From: CmndrZil@--------
> Reply-To: novaroma@--------
> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 02:01:44 -0400 (EDT)
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] Ah, if only we had a million dollars US...
>
>
> In a message dated 7/1/01 7:34:11 AM, cassius622@-------- writes:
>
>> The asking price is $1, 250,000
>> a sum far lager than we'll be seeing anytime soon.
>
> You need to be positive and upbeat. A million dollars really has no meaning
> in the world anymore. Various people need to win the lottery, play "Who
> Wants to be A Millionaire" and "The Weakest Link." It would not be wise to
> invest in the stock market because of the upcoming recession, so we'll have
> to depend on unreliable money making schemes. But, if you insist upon being
> negative, you'll never get anywhere.
>
> Tarquinia Euphemia
>
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] A home for us |
| From: |
europamoon7@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 03 Jul 2001 21:24:22 -0000 |
|
Avete,
I have been reading all of the wonderful emails concerning acquiring
land for Nova Roma. All the ideas and suggestions are very
impressive as is the enthusiasm. I almost feel as though this will
happen. I would suggest first focusing on a temple of sorts to start
things off. A place for Nova Romans and others to worship. Did we
overlook the fact that we would attract many outside of Nova Roma to
our facility? Pagans from all religions and curiosity seekers alike
would visit our center and I believe that it would instantly become
somewhat of a tourist attraction. It could be decorated beautifully
with artwork from our own talented citizens and whatever we could get
donated. And as revenue increased, become a showpiece filled with all
the beauty of ancient Rome. I know at least two artists who would
donate excellent classical paintings. And there are citizens
involved in collecting items such as Roman coins, artifacts, etc. who
I'm sure would not mind having their items proudly on display. I
know of at least two individuals for this as well. We could then
expand from there to include services to the public such as lectures,
a gift shop, national events, a museum, anything that would generate
income. As a church we would not have to pay income tax and all
monies would go back to the church for future projects. It could
become a cultural center and eventually a community as I have seen
with other religious centers. Rooms could be set up for visitors to
stay in and eventually food be supplied and maybe even a restaurant.
The possibilities are endless but first steps first. The building
could be a rental with the option to buy or a fixer upper with
available land closeby. The building should be such that it could be
expanded if it is so desired in the future. I would be happy to
donate my time for repairs if it was at least close to my vacinity
and I know many other citizens would as well. My suggestion for a
possible location would be somewhere in Arizona as the weather is
good all year around, tourism thrives, there is plenty of land
available, it is very reasonable and there is not as much of a
watchful eye on non-orthodox worship because of the Indian population
there. There are also many large reinactment events held there each
year. Arizona has been one of the most rapidly growing areas for the
last ten years and features many international tourist attractions.
Scenic splendor abounds there. It is the perfect place to venture
into the past among all the ruins and natural formations. The
Sedona/Oak Creek Canyon area would be especially ideal because many
New Age thinkers reside and visit the area. I also feel that it would
be important to have a location which offers much to the visitor and
Arizona attracts visitors from all over the world, expecially from
Europe(I know, I rarely hear English at the tourist attractions!)
Just so no one thinks this is an advertisement for Arizona, I live in
California. I just happen to love going to Arizona and have always
thought it a great place for new ventures. I know I'm dreaming but
every reality starts off with a vision. And we have plenty of vision
in Nova Roma.
Vale,
Pompeia Antonia Caesar
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Nova Britannia Chat Tonight |
| From: |
"C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:20:56 -0400 |
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Salvete omnes,
Just a reminder that the weekly Nova Britannia chat will be held tonight
from 21:00 - 22:00 (EST or GMT -5:00) in the Nova Britannia mailing list
chat room at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaBritannia/chat I encourage
all Nova Britanniae to stop in and say hello (any other interested cives are
welcome, of course!).
Valete,
C. Minucius Hadrianus
Legatus of Massachusetts
ICQ# 28924742
"Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." - Vegetius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Islands? |
| From: |
Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:17:33 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salvete omnes; et salve, Patrici.
--- Patrick Ferguson <pvitruviusiulianus@--------> wrote:
> Salvete omnes!
>
> Gnaeus wrote:
>
> > What a wonderful idea, Patrici! I fully support it.
> > If we were to
> > choose a "Roman ghost town", there are many in
> > Europe to choose from
> > (there is even one extremely close to Madrid, my own
> > hometown, which is
> > called Segobriga). We would have to ask for loads of
> > bureaucratical
> > permissions (all these ruins are considered national
> > patrimony
> > everywhere), but it would certainly be worth the
> > effort, both for our
> > personal satisfaction in such a reconstruction, and
> > for the great
> > publicity we could get if we handled the issue
> > wisely.
>
> Patricius wrote:
>
> Thanks for the support me amice! At this time I would
> like to propose a slight variation of my idea. To get
> past the permits, we could do somethiing slightly
> diferent. Rather than reconstruct ruins, we could try
> a reconstruction from scratch, as military reenactors
> do and as has been done somewhere in North America
> with a viking settlement. And since the latter has
> been achieved by another (but somewhat different
> group) I would recommend looking into it. If they can
> do it, why can't we?
This could also be a pretty good idea. I have just heard that a similar
viking settlement exists in Sweden, so there are also precedents for
this in Europe.
And once we start on this thread, why should we limit ourselves to just
ONE settlement? We could start with two (one in Europe and one in
America) and then expand if we are able to. It really wouldn't be that
expensive :-).
=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Seasteading. |
| From: |
Steven - Piparskeggr <catamount_grange@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 03 Jul 2001 17:46:22 -0500 |
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Avete Omnes,
As we are discussing a physical place for Nova Roma, I ran across this
interesting site while doing alternative energy source research.
SeaSteading -- Homesteading the High Seas
http://www.gramlich.net/projects/oceania/index.html
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Poll Reminder |
| From: |
"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:28:05 -0400 |
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Salve,
Just a quick reminder about the ongoing poll on our List website about
disciplinary procedures. Please drop by and vote soon, as I plan to end the
poll by this coming weekend. Only about 40 of our 400+ members have spoken
up so far and I would like to see more people voice their opinion in the
poll.
Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
Curatrix Sermonis
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