Forum Romanum


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Personal Reflections on Recent Religio Comments
From:	"Julie & Lawrence Brooks" <anubis@-------->
Date:	Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:26:17 -0400

Salve,

I think that now people have had the chance cool down and look at this in a calmerr manner, it's clear that posts from all involved are stemming from some deep feelings, ethics and morals. I hardly think that anyone, including myself, would intentinally harm or offend anyone on purpose. Sometimes when things are close to the heart and soul, it is easy to react strongly.

As I said no offense was ever intended to any individual or Nova Roma. If that was taken as so, I apologize to Amulius Claudius Petrius or anyone else for that matter. I am glad that you have rethought some of your previous response and have decided that it was somewhat harsh.

I willl be leaving in a couple of days for a 2 week trip and I am glad that most of this misunderstanding could resolved in an amicable manner before I go off e-mail.

Vale,
Varia Cassia

Yesterday in my post I must admit I did over react to the comments of
citizen Varia Cassia. I was offended, although now having some time to
reflect on what I said earlier I have some changed opinions on the subject.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: First NR meeting in Bs. As. / 1er. encuentro NR en Bs.As.
From:	octavianuslucius@--------
Date:	Fri, 06 Jul 2001 00:24:03 -0000

Salve mi optima amica Pompeia Cornelia.
Thanks a lot for your message!!!. I feel anxious for this moment. It
will be a very important moment because we shall meet for the very
first time. Now the dream of a face to face meeting will come true. I
am planning to carry my camera in order to take photos of the
meeting, and then I 'll put them on line. So all Nova Roma will be
able to see some shots of our very first meeting. I promise I shall
write a report on it :-).
I wish you too the best fortune for your gatherings!!
I am sure all these gatherings will give us a more sense of real
world than the Internet.
Next Saturday will be a very joyous day for my province!! :-). A day
to remember, I'm sure.
Thanks again for your very kind message mi amica Pompeia
Bene vale et habe fortunam bonam
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor provinciae Argentinae

--- In novaroma@--------, trog99@h... wrote:
> ---
>
> Salve Amicus Propraetor Argentina Luci Pompei:
>
> I am so delighted that you will meeting with your civites! I am
> equally delighted to be meeting with a few of mine at a provincial
> gathering on Aug. 3,4 5. AND, I have the honour of meeting my
> Provincial Procurator, Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato this weekend
at
> my residence.
> I am preparing a special feast for him!
>
> I hope you have a wonderful time, and please send us a report about
> the gathering!
>
> Bene vale et Buona Fortuna Perpetua Amicus,
> Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
> Propraetrix pro temp
> Canada Orientalis
> NOVA ROMA
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Personal Reflections on Recent Religio Comments
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date:	Thu, 05 Jul 2001 21:17:07 -0400

Varia Cassia wrote:

> As I said no offense was ever intended to any individual or Nova Roma. If
> that was taken as so, I apologize to Amulius Claudius Petrius or anyone else
> for that matter. I am glad that you have rethought some of your previous
> response and have decided that it was somewhat harsh.

Salve Varia Cassia,

It is pleasant to see we are both on good terms now. We both made our
mistakes, what matters now is that we realises our wrongs and corrected
them.

"Quamquam cupido sis delictum ab sui crebro suum mater ab vitualis"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Canada Orientalis Provincia
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Subject:	[novaroma] TLC program
From:	"Julie & Lawrence Brooks" <anubis@-------->
Date:	Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:10:30 -0400

I happen to tune in to The Learning Channel tonight for a feature on
archaeology in London. It started as an excavation of a mass burial of
people around 1100-1200 A.D. at St. Mary's Church and hospital, north of
London. It was interesting to see how they were figuring out why all those
people were massed buried. It seems that they are still not sure why they
died.

Anyway, the reason I bring this up is because under the mass burials, they
found a single sarcophagus and coffin of a very rich Roman woman from around
the 1st century A.D. The coffin was made of lead and it was engraved with a
shell design. Inside the coffin were remains of bay leaves and textiles.
Upon examination, the textiles showed that they were of Damask silk from
Syria and gold thread had been sewn into the garments. The is the first
coffin of its kind that has been found in London. They made a dental
examination of the teeth, which the details of how they figured this out is
fuzzy, but it showed that she had grown up in the Mediterranean somewhere
and not in London. The woman was about 20 to 25 years old when she died.
They don't know what she died from, but she was elaborately buried and was
definitely of nobility or aristocracy. The forensic artist sculpted a bust
of what the woman might have looked like. Also, they found two beautiful
glass containers in the area between the stone sarcophagus and the lead
coffin.

Varia Cassia

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Hm (was the Religio Hysteria)
From:	"Raina Faolan" <GuruPoet@-------->
Date:	Thu, 05 Jul 2001 22:59:59 -0400

Salve,

Draco, you got your appointment afterall? Congrats.

Vale Bene,
Aeternia

>From: "S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: <novaroma@-------->
>Subject: [novaroma] Hm (was the Religio Hysteria)
>Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:15:57 +0200
>
>Salvete Quirites,
>
>Some have said that being able to take criticism and responding to it in an
>intelligent and rational way is an indication of someone's level of depth,
>self-knowledge and wisdom. I think this is true. Unfortunately, fanatics
>don't need ratio, as they have the truth! It's saddening to see that the
>remotest bit of criticism on the Religio Romana, id est doubts regarding
>it,
>are interpreted as a crusade against it. It makes those people as
>hysterical
>as christian, muslim or whatever fundamentalists.
>
>For instance, the Collegium Pontificum is much broader in vision than some
>people here. Look at me, for instance; they have made me a Lupercus
>Fabianus
>on basis of my knowledge and engagement, while my beliefs are more agnostic
>than most other Religio practicioners. This broad-mindedness deserves a lot
>of praise.
>
>In short, I don't need farizeans here.
>
>Valete bene,
>S. Apollonius Draco
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] On Varia Cassia's words, was Re: Public Attacks on Religio Romana
From:	"Raina Faolan" <GuruPoet@-------->
Date:	Thu, 05 Jul 2001 23:30:39 -0400

>From: "Julie & Lawrence Brooks" <anubis@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: <novaroma@-------->
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] On Varia Cassia's words, was Re: Public Attacks on
>Religio Romana
>Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:46:36 -0400
>
>Ave,
>
>Well with all the posts flying around at this point and not having the
>opportunity to see names on a regular basis, I couldn't tell you at this
>point who said what and who flamed who. Honestly, I don't mind a
>difference of opinion, I expect it. But I do expect people to honor that I
>cannot go against what I feel is personally wrong, nor would I expect
>anyone else to do the same.
>
>In any case, the point seems moot, as someone pointed out in a post that
>Nova Roma does not condone animal sacrifice anyway. Although, I did not
>see those people who condone it getting their heads bitten off for going
>against a Nova Roma policy.
>
>Ah well, I'm sure things will calm down.
>
>Vale,
>Varia Cassia

Salve, Varia et alii,

Don't be miffed at me, but *I* (me,me,me) don't recall anyone asking you to
become a follower/practicioner of the Religio Romana. Those that were
offended by your statements, only ask that ask at *least* respect the state
religion as you would respect your fellow wiccans. No one is forcing you to
worship our Roman deities, dance around bonfires, or become happy-go-lucky
in pure merriment. It's all about the *respect* some feel you're not
showing. No offense to you Varia, Laurencius, or anyone else on this forum.

Vale Bene,
R.Cornelia Aeternia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steven - Piparskeggr
> To: novaroma@--------
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 9:23 AM
> Subject: [novaroma] On Varia Cassia's words, was Re: Public Attacks on
>Religio Romana
>
>
> Ave Varia Cassia,
>
> Julie & Lawrence Brooks wrote:
> >
> > Now that some people's blood pressure seems to be skyhigh, I'll will
>try once more to clarify my statement. At no time did I state that Nova
>Roma's religion or gods did not exist - or anyone's elses deities for that
>matter.
> >
> > (excise clarification)
> >
> > Varia Cassia
> >
>
> If it helps calm the debate any: I did not fire off a retort at you as I
> saw that you were trying to actually debate using points of logic and
> philosophy. The existence of Deity or deity is an old one, perhaps as
> old as man having time left over from hunting-gathering.
>
> I took from your introduction as a Wiccan, that you do have a self-ideal
> of That Which is Holy.
>
> You stated an opposition to animal sacrifice, I stated a counterpoint
> <shrug>, which I thought addressed my part in the conversation.
>
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>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Q. Fabus Maximus on current items in the Forum
From:	QFabiusMaxmi@--------
Date:	Fri, 6 Jul 2001 03:59:58 EDT

In a message dated 7/3/2001 7:30:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
gcassiusnerva@-------- writes:
Salvete...
I go away for four days, and all sorts of things occur. We do not live in
boring times do we?
ON Vedius being unconstitutional.
Cassius Nerva subscript:
> ere is an example of an unconstitutional action from April 17 of this year,
> when Consul Germanicus, speaking on behalf of the list moderator, did just
> that.
> <<...the whole discussion of animal rights is veering way off-topic, having
> little if anything to do with Rome, ancient or modern.On behalf of our
> curatrix sermonem and with her permission (since she is atthe moment
> indisposed), the general topic of animal rights in any other than
> specifically ancient or Nova Roman context is hereby declared closed.
> Anyone
> continuing the discussion here on the main list will be subject to suitable
> disciplinary action.
>
Fabius:
As Senior Consul, Vedius has every right (by imperium) to issue edicts that
> running of Rome. It was in his opinion that the list
> so he terminated it. If it was an
unconstitutional edictum then the People would be protected by Tribunical
Veto, which did not occur. Therefore the edictum stood, and the debate
terminated. It was entirely constitutional.

On Varia Cassia's words
Fabius:
Consider Romanoi, we have a new citizen that has strong aversion to cruelty
to animals. She wishes to make her views known. She is a new citizen! Do
you expect her to know every nuance of our state religion? Apparently yes.
We must be realistic here, citizens. While we know that saying certain
things against the gods of the state might be taken as blasphemy, so we would
never do them, we automatically assume everybody must know the same. THAT IS
SIMPLY NOT TRUE. Perhaps someone could have E-mailed Cassia off list, and
explained the situation to her, instead berating her publicly. As for
Cassia's "blasphemy" while ignorance of Roman Law is no true excuse, clemency
is indicated here, and will be applied. All those who petitioned me to open
proceedings against Varia Cassia, are hereby denied.

On the words of the M. Cassius Iulliunus Pontifix Maximus:
I assume that Marcus Cassius was expressing his personal opinion of Blood
Sacrifice and not that of the college. My own opinion is not yet, but
eventually we will have it for special occasions. Likely when the new
Consules assume power and before several key Ludi. But that is still years
off, we have no business attempting blood sacrifice as long as we are an
Internet entity.

The Land Issue.
While such thoughts are good to think about, it helps with creative
visualtion, we are not ready. The Senate has not really discussed this, we
have no tax structure, we have no plan. I am against disorganized
"homesteading" because it will just be that, disorganized. In order to make
this work we would need to be organized, contribute a part of NR taxes to a
land acquisition fund, so all the civvies are involved, and finally decide on
a V or X year plan that sets modest yearly goals but keeps heading in the
correct direction. Only then can we really think about building a religious
and political center.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus
City Praetor

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Subject:	[novaroma] On Villius's Totalitarism
From:	QFabiusMaxmi@--------
Date:	Fri, 6 Jul 2001 04:51:48 EDT

In a message dated 7/3/2001 8:57:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
loos@-------- writes:

Salvete Citizens of Rome.
The citizen Manius Villius Limitanus raises some questions. I would like to
answer them.
>
> Salve Quirites,
>
> <<More or less a year ago, agroup tried to form a de facto political party
> in NovaRoma. The leading oligarchy used the classical trick of
> denouncing the weakening of the state by division. <<<
Fabius
The only political party started a year ago was the "Friends of Dignity"
faction.
The Sullan faction (which I assume you are referring to) started IV years ago.
The third faction would be the Boni which include the founders of Nova Roma.
However I am reminded we really don't have factions here in NR, we all want
the same thing, we just have different ways of achieving it.

> all monoparty dictarial regimes specially in Africa.
Fabius:
Bad choice of rhetoric here, to compare NR to a dictatorship especially to an
African one. I have to assume that you were going for shock value, however
it just makes you look uninformed and not very clever at all.

> Six monthes ago, the new list censor edicted a rule by which citizen
> could no more express themselves in the language of their choice in this
> public place. Effectively excluding a large number of citizens from this
> forum, mostly the non-US citizens which were mnost opposed to her views
> of politics. Another widely used method of silencing opposition in
> multilingual countries.
>

Fabius:
Actually we wanted to know what amazing information about Rome we were
missing.
If you write in Portuguese please extend us the courtesy of also writing it
in English, since English is the predominate language on this list. If you
had a list where Portuguese was the predominate language, and I wrote
something in English you would expect the same thing from me.

Vedia is the Curator of list. She is not a Censor! She derives her imperium
from the Senate who asks her to do one simple thing: Keep order. I think she
has done an admirable job. I am sorry you don't feel this way.
>
> >>> hortly after a great number of citizens were driven out of NovaRoma by
> constant harrasment and "Love it or leave it" arguments. The exact lemma
> of many south-american dictators of the 20th century.<<
Since we are actually attempting to do something here, we wanted to eliminate
"dead wood" that might dragged us down. The citizens that left were not
really forced out. They wanted a different NR from the majority of the
people here.
When they saw that the citizens were not interested in their version of NR,
only then they left.

> >>The senior consul expressed on this forum this exact point while asking
> for the remainder of the opponents to leave.<<
Fabius:
I believe you are exaggerating here Villius old boy. The "Rome, love it or
live it" rhetoric started during my consulship. Vedius never said anything
like this.

> The list censor decreed that talking of secession as a way of doing
> politics (a common fact in the early republic) was "a clear threat to the
> state"
> and censored it. Just like Saddam Hussein does not allow the Kurds to
> speak about secession.
> The list censor decided that stating that some magistrates should be
> removed from charge because they are harming our state was a personal
> attack against those magistrate and censored the posts asking for it.
> Just like in other dictators it is forbidden in NovaRoma to speak
> against the head of the state and to ask for their removal.
>
Fabius
Villi dude you are speaking out against the acts of the head of state right
now. Are you being censored? I don't think so. Also again your rhetoric is
overblown and even insulting to the list Curator. You might think about an
apology to her.

>>> senator stated that he was very sorry but since the population of
> NovaRoma was not yet educated enough it was impossible to give them the
> right of free speech.<<
Fabius:
Minucius and I gave the citizens unmoderated Forum for several months. It
was a disaster. The Senate was forced to appoint Senator Patricia Cassia as
Curator to
fix the mess. If Lucius Cornelius could dig out my speech to the citizens
about returning to moderation on the list, I would appreciate it.

>>>
> forum under the name of "moderation". Another argument heard a lot
> in all "temporary" dictators around the world : "we are educating our
> people and when time comes we will give the power to them"<<
Fabius:
The People of Rome have the power right now. It is contained within the
Comitia of the Tribes, Centuries, and Plebeians.

>>> nd now we have a new "proposition" of the list censor: It should be
> forbidden to speak of politics on the forum (this list). Politics should
> be reserved to politicians in her mind. Obviously another very
> democratically proposition.>>
Fabius:
I believe the Forum here will always be politically bent. Why? Because it
is the one list most Novae Romae are subscribed to, and therefore most likely
to read political posts.

> Somebody else was stating that we should need an external thread in
> order to join our ranks, or perhaps an internal enemy? Just like all
> dictators found their enemies internal or externals in order to shut
> the mouth of their co-citizens (Cf. Hitler, Stalin, anti-communist
> dictators, communist dictators)
>
> Is this still a democracy? If we want to continue to leave in peace and
> in a democratic state we need to remove the deleterious element from
> charge the fastest possible, or at least fight them on a continuous
> base, if not this country will become totalitarian in a very short time.
>

Fabius
To answer your last question first. No, we are not a Greek democracy. We
are a represented democracy, which Polybios thought made us superior to all
Greek forms of government.

Historically, governments get the greatest cooperation from their citizens
when they are fighting a common enemy. Carthage was a good example.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus

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Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): pridie Nonas Quinctilias (July 6th)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:16:12 +0100

Salvete omnes

This is one of the dies nefasti (N), a day on which no legal action or
public voting can take place.

Today is the aniversary of the dedication of the Temple of Fortuna Muliebris
(Fortune of the
Women), for the supplications of the women have obtained the retreat of
Coriolanus in 488 BCE, when he manaced Rome commanding the Volsques. At her
temple just outside Rome, no woman who has twice-married is allowed to
touch or garland the statue of the goddess, and only 'univirae'
(newly-married women) are
to worship the goddess.

Today the Ludi Apollonaris begin. These games in honour of Apollo were
intituted in 212 BCE, after consultation of the Sibylline Books, during the
War Against Hannibal. After a plague four years later, the Games were made
a permanent fixture of the calendar. Initially, the games were held on one
day, July 13th, then two days, then three, and finally from July 6th
(sometimes 5th) to July 13th.
Two days of the Games are given to races and contests in the Circus (horse
races and beast hunts (the latter were introduced by the time of Pompeius),
but not
gladiatorial games), the rest being devoted to staged plays. The Praetor
Urbanus is in overall charge of the celebrations. On the final day
sacrifices are offered - all of these are made Graeco Ritu, that is, with
head uncovered and with other special features different from sacrifices
Romano Ritu -, overseen by the Qvindecemviri Sacris Faciundis. The victims
are an ox and two white she-goats to Apollo and a cow to Latona, all with
gilded horns.
Celebrants wear garlands and feast at the entry of their houses, with the
doors open. The matron of the house offers prayers to Apollo.

The month of Quinctilis was renamed Iulius in 44 BCE in honour of the
deified C. Iulius Caesar. This month is sacred to Iuppiter.

Dii vos bene ament

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex

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Subject:	[novaroma] Rus Romana, Our Sea and the Battle Plan (wee bit long, me lads..)
From:	iasonvs_serenvs@--------
Date:	Fri, 06 Jul 2001 21:57:48 -0000

Salvete Omnes,

To the honored Proconsul Minucius Audens, ave. To mi amice Gnaeus
Salix Astur, hail, and a glass of red wine in your honor. To mi amice
Draco, a fond hello. To the magistrates, thank you. To the Senatus
Populusque Roma, well, what can a good Roman say? Hmmm...better a
bad Roman amongst his countrymen that a outlander any day...

I have been away from the Forum for a while, mundane mercantile
matters have mashed my life into mince...but, I knew whence next I
returned to these august and pillared halls, there would be some
heady mead and frothy forment upon which I might sup a night's fine
passing...

And all this verbosity that I might respond to one hundred
quintillion posts en masse...

To be fair, it was 363 emails in my box...

My countrymen and fine fair hearty ladies,

We may dream of land and speak of blasphemy, but these are yet but
words and feathered thoughts with which to provoke ourselves to blood
and passion. A nation needs both. Our blood, what grander promise
can we grant our descendants than this? We are a tumultuous lot,
sanguine and difficult, proud and oh so pleasantly Roman. We are a
well blooded bunch, fair despite our battles, and unafraid to hand
equally affront and forgiveness. The stars, and a sacred city, these
we deserve..

I should say, these we deserve if we are equal to the task.

Passion brings us closer to the mark. We want it, this promising
future, we can taste it. The brine of our own seas, our fleeted
dreams upon the fabric of humanity's experiment, who amongst cannot
from time to time feel the windward wip of seafoam across parted lips?

I do.

But neither blood and passion are enough, alas.

We must have recourse to wit, to a union of minds loyal to the
promise we have made to ourselves and to our progeny. We must take
care to think ourselves through the thumping heartsent blood and the
fire of passion, to feed ourselves with both, but to act, to reach
out from a different place.

We need a plan, indeed, a battle plan.

We have no sabines to lure and conquer. We have no estruscan bad
nasties against whom we might test our mettle.

And we have no land. Yet even there are words like "blasphemy" to
fill the sacred hollows of our forum?

Now, here, in this epoch, we are not yet ready for land. Not as a
New Rome. Not as our center, are sacred City. We are not ready to
rebuild the Great Lady.

Please, my countrymen, do not take this for insult. No such calumny
is intended. It is with utmost respect that I write.

"Land!" I hear proclaimed, repeated, echoed. "Land, an island, a
parcel on the lake..."

History provides no precedent. We cannot purchase our birthright.
We must make it or take it. or maybe a little of both. Once the
City is founded, then, and only then, will we be in a position ( in
the eyes of our necessary future adversaries, and yes, we need
them...) to speak of purchases.

The conditions are different from the founding old Rome. We are not
surrounded by troubled natives. We are the natives, each to our own
isolated hearth and long working day. We are motes in a sea of
barely conscious humanity. We canot defend ourselves from lawsuits,
never mind the might of industrial armies and technophagic
corporations. We must consider the possible.

Where can we begin?

Allow me to offer an outline, barely worthy of consideration, but my
humble offering nonetheless...

Union/Community: Step one. Strengthening of our cultural union.
Sodalites, priesthoods, trade guilds, artistry, academies and non-
governmental institions must move from accepting members to
recruiting members. New institutions need to be created, accepted by
the state, and allowed to succeed or fail on their merits. Older
sodalites need to begin to pursue inactive citizens, patiently and
with respect for individual differences. The state will have to
remain benevolently hands-off. Too much magisterial interference
will kill the needed work in its infancy.

Praegressus: Step Two. We have an Egressus, a sodality devoted to
new membership. We need a Praegressus. We need an organization
dedicated to outreach to citizens, to hear their concerns outside of
an exclusively public forum, to interract one on one, and direct
eager citizens to the appropriate interested parties.

Academies: Step Three. At at least the provincial level, if not by
smaller divisions, there is a need for academies. No community that
neglects to offer education (even if it's only a civics course) long
survives in this beautiful and beautifully hard world of ours.

Religio: Step Four. Not religio romana, just re ligio. The ties
that bind, the gods, the archtypes, the shared myths that unite, what
have you... But speaking specifically to the religio romana, we need
temples, ipso facto ad necessesitas...corrections on my abyssmal
latin anticipated... If we are to purchase land, first and foremost
it must be for community interaction, and especially credible temples
and schools. We could have no better egressus than these; nor will we
have a better reason to meet one another. To consolidate ourselves
into a city now, without testing ourselves on lesser levels is
suicide. Temples, fora and academies would provide us the
groundwork, at ground level, and on well-grounded practices.

Wandering: Step Five. Our members must avoid insularity. These is
no easy task, and will be blusteringly resisted. There is a truth in
adversity and danger: do it or wither. We are going to have to
encourage our citizens to get out into the world, to slip away from
the comfort of our industrial feudal modern existences...and before
someone takes a shot...this is not revolutionary sloganeering on my
part...Romans were an adventurous lot, capable of grand gambles, well
planned but dangerous nonetheless. We cannot dishonor them by
bringing our modern timidity to the task of founding a new Rome. At
some point in our history, despite all needed prudence, we will be
outlaws. I say this declaritively. By the way, the fourth of july
just passed, and bastille day is almost here...

The Bold Stroke: Step six and on into futurity...WE declare, do, and
defend what we have created, earned with the salt of our sweat, and
damn it all to hell if anyone on the outside thinks otherwise....

Phew, I'm tired and a little breathless.

In humble gratitude for your time,

Iasonvs Serenvs Carolvs Peregrinvs
Paterfamilias Familia Serena and Gens Serena

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Subject:	[novaroma] And now......
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Fri, 06 Jul 2001 23:18:44 -0000

for something closely related to topics of late, but not in a Roman
Way......

But I just have to tell the world!!!

My cat who has been missing for about 3.5 weeks was found and returned to
me, healthy and unharmed.

I really love Spanky, and I've been quite worried about him. He was
declawed by his last owners and I worried about him not being able to defend
himself, or fend for food.

I am sooooo happy........just had to share.

And now, back to more Roman topics.........:)

Pompeia
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Subject:	[novaroma] A home for us
From:	Carmen Pehnec <europamoon7@-------->
Date:	Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:42:48 -0700 (PDT)

Salve Diana Meridia Aurelia,

It is obvious that you put even more thought into your
response than I did mine. I agree with all that you
said. I run a marketing business and also did
funraising for several years. The possibilities are
endless as to who we could network with, gain revenues
from, and publicize our mission to. Some clear and
focused thinking is needed here. I pride myself on
possessing some of Rome's greatest lagacies;
practicality, organization and vision. There is no
reason that we cannot devise a plan that will satisfy
both our need for a physical display of our beliefs as
well as the continued growth of our nation. But one
cannot exist without the other. I realize that no
plan will satisfy everyone but we must move forward to
the next step or we risk perishing but to do so
recklessly will insure the same outcome.

Vale,

Pompeia Antonnia Caesar

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