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[novaroma] 100 percent bounce |
| From: |
asseri@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:59:56 EDT |
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Salvete,
I have today recieved 100 percent bounce from all my yahoo lists that
i get through AOL. since about 10 a.m. Of course if you can't read this you
might have that
problem too.. (irony here)
I have had to use my account option on Yahoo so see any of it. Does
anyone one know why? I doubt I am the only one. But as this day has ran I
just might be.
drusila
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[novaroma] Legion XXIV Vicesima Quarta News July 2001 |
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"LegionXXIV" <legionXXIV@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:38:49 -0400 |
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VICESIMA - QUARTA
LEGION XXIV - MEDIA - ATLANTIA
* PROVINCIA PENNSYLVANIA *
* MEDIA - ATLANTICA * AMERICIA *
Defending the Frontiers of Ancient Rome
in the Mid - Atlantic Province
of North America
June 20, 2001
Year of Rome 2754
Ave et Salutatio... Commilitones
Hello and Greetings from Gallio Velius Marsallas,
Praefectus, Legio XXIV Media-Atlantia;
Tribune Militaris - NovaRoma - Gens Velia
aka George W. Metz
13 Post Run Newtown Square, PA 19073-3014
legionxxiv@-------- 610-353-4982
http://www.legionxxiv.org
VICESIMA QUARTA JULY 2001
FORT MALDEN AUGUST 4 & 5 The Legion will again be at Fort Malden in
Amherstburg, Ontario on August 4 and 5, 2001, opposite Detroit.
The Canadian NovaRoma contingent is also planning to be there for
a regional gathering.
Yes, it is a long drive; but this event is very friendly and busy with visitors.
Several cannons are fired and a rate of fire demo and tactical engagements are
quite enlightening. Last year the Commander was joined
by a couple of the local area legionaries and a few more are expected to turn-out this year.
Pennsic War XXX August 15 - 18
Legion XXIV will be displaying the glories of Ancient Rome at the Great Battle between
the "East" and the "Middle". This is a SCA event and there were over 10,000 people
there in 2000! Many hard contact battles are fought. Quite a sight and experience.
This is not a public event and would cost $90.00 to attend for multiple days.
Contact the Commander if you are interested. Members John Collins and his family
will be there and maybe a couple of others as well.
CAMPAIGN IN THE POCONOS ! Second Call ! Who's In ?
The Legion has been invited to participate in a "March Thru Time" Event at
Memory Town, just south of Mount Pocono, PA on Sept 8 and 9th, 2001.
It is billed as a "Living History Event Spanning the Ages" and is being
sponsored by Company A of the First North Carolina Sharpshooter Battalion.
The site will have rest rooms and showers, along with a restaurant and bar with
entertainment. Also on the property are gift shops and the oldest working
printing press in the northeast. A cabin with 24 hour coffee will be available.
On-site modern motel rooms are also available. Call 570-839-1680 for reservations.
Torch Light tours will be held on Saturday night and each unit will put on a small
skit to exhibit the camp life of their period of history.
Maximus aka John Ebel will be there with his Gladiatorium Academia. He says
he has a couple of more gladiators in training.
John's gladiator event was a hit at Roman Days and promises to draw some crowds
at Mount Pocono.
Sutlers will be few, so bring what you expect to need.
Finally there is a campaign and an opportunity for our Legion XXIV Troopers in the
north to come and assist in defending Rome up here in our Provincia and we should
try to have a good showing.
If you need some help with your gear the Commander may be able to help.
We want a good turn-out at this event. Spare armor and swords will be available;
along with a couple pair of caligae and tunics.
So get to work on your kit, turn-out and show your pride in Ancient Rome.
There will be some extra gear available.
Please contact the Commander if you can attend so he can make the necessary
arrangements with Memory Town and Company A. See the directions below.
There is a new major section on gladiator combat and the Colosseum.
Termed the Gladiatorium Academia. It was authored by John Ebel, who
is a very active new recruit, and your Commander. We are planning to have
gladiatorial exhibitions and the call is out for gladiator trainees. Are you up to
training for the "Games"?
ROMAN TOUR 2002 Up to 12 Spaces Still Available
Noto! Animus Attentus!!
Attention! Listen closely!!
Tour Sponsor, Commilito Robert Garbisch still needs up to 12 Romans
(or more) to confirm his Tour of Ancient Roman sights in July and August 2002.
Avete milites legionaries et civis ab Roma!
Greetings common soldier and citizen of Rome!
A two week tour of Roman and Celtic sites located in France,
Germany and England is being planned for late July into August 2002.
The tour will depart Dulles Airport near Washington DC on July 26 to
Heathrow and will return from Glasgow to Dulles on August 10th.
Sites to be visited are: Kalriese, site of the 9AD Teutoburger Vald disaster,
Saalburg frontier fort, Caesar's defense line alone the Rhone River,
Celtic theme park near Alesia and Alesia itself, St.Germain Museum of
Celtic and Roman items, time to visit Paris, to England and Chester and
Hadrian's Wall and other Roman era sites.
Peter Connolly will be with us for part of the tour and Charles Wesencraft
will be with us at Hadrian's Wall.
The tour is limited to 48 travelers. The cost is $2,250.00 per person; which
includes airfare from and to Dulles, all overnight accommodations and some
breakfasts.
To confirm your reservation send a refundable deposit of $250.00, to
Robert Garbisch, 224 Masonic Drive, Vallejo, CA 94591-4231
prior to July 1st 2001. 707-557-4188 fireman_bob1@--------
The ground portion of the trip may be purchased (cost not yet known) for those
in Europe or who desire to extend their stay before or after the tour.
The Commander is signed up for this tour and he hopes to have you with him
in 2002 on what promises to be a very enlightening campaign.
UPCOMING CAMPAIGNS !!
Aug 4 - 5 Fort Malden, Amherstburg Ontario
Sep 12-15 Pennsic War XXX, Cooper Lake Campground, I-79 & US-422
Sep 8 - 9 March Thru Time Mount Pocono PA
Sep 15-16 Legion XX Fall Encampment at Marietta Mansion, Glendale MD
Sep 29-30 Universal Soldier Time Line Event, Fort Washington, MD
Oct ? Possible turn-out with Leg XX at the Walters Art Gallery, Baltimore
ROLL CALL ! Second Request
There are about 30 names on the Legion XXIV Roster. Some are active and some are
attempting to get their kit together, many are from a distance away and are unable to
turn-out regularly, and many others we have not heard from for some time.
In order to keep the roster current, it is requested that you all reply to the Commander with
your Roman Name, status, address, phone number, how you are making out with your
equipment and if you need some help. When is the best time to contact you?
I know a few of you have attempted to meet with me and we have not been able to find an
agreeable date and time. Most of you work, many on weekends and some are still pursuing
an education, precluding meeting-up in the evenings; and my weekends are quite taken up
as well. My week night are now free during July and August.
My apologies for not getting with you.
There have been a number of additions to the website. Particularly an extensive page on
Gladiators and the Colosseum. Many new pictures have been added on the Weapons and
Equipment pages as well. Check into the site often. http://www.legionxxiv.org
Directions to Marietta Mansion: 5626 Bell Station Rd., Glenn Dale, MD 20769.
301-464-5291.
>From I-95/495, the Capital Beltway, take Exit 20 onto Rt. 450 East, go 4 miles,
turn left on Rt. 193, then left onto Bell Station Rd. and a 1000 feet to left into
Marietta (or follow the signs to the parking area).
Directions to Memory Town - March Thru Time
Your best route to east or west on I-80, to north on I-380, to Exit 8 "PA Rt 940"
East into Mount Pocono and south on US 611, approx.......
half a mile thru town and under railroad bridge.
Go 75 yards past railroad bridge to Grange Road on the left.
Left onto Grange Road to Memory Town.
Rt 611 north may be used from I-80 Exit 45; in which case Grange Road will be
approx........ 3.5 miles on your right and if you go under the railroad you went too far.
Directions to Fort Malden, Amherstburg, Ontario
Your best route to I-75 into Detroit, MI.
Take exit-47 for Ambassador Bridge into Canada.
Continue thru Customs onto Huron Church Road thru several traffic lights
to Exit Left onto E.C.Row Expressway.
Proceed west on the E.C.Row; which will become Ojibway Parkway and
Route 18, after 90 degree left-hand curve.
Continue south on Route 18 which becomes River Front Road, for 18 kl
into Amherstburg. Fort is one block to the right (west) behind high school.
Hoping to hear from you all and better yet having you with us at an upcoming
campaign, I remain as always
(take your pick)
Tuus in Sodalicio Imperium Romanae
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Empire
Tuus in Sodalicio Respublica Romanae
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic
Gallio / George
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Nova Roma at Pennsic |
| From: |
asseri@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 20 Jul 2001 23:12:21 EDT |
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Valete,
I now for a third time do offer to host an afternoon repast at Pennsic
30 . It would be on the Thursday of War week. If you are attending and would
like to have a free lunch or help with it (even host it and I will help you)!
Please let me know. It would be around 1 or 2 PM at the camp for the Shire
Of Shadowed Stars - Middle Kingdom.
Our Camp is on the Serengeti and will be on N-1 at the end of near the
Highway.
If members are going to be there it would be a shame to lose this opportunity
to met one another. Please consider this and I will need to know by this
Sunday night.
B. P. A. Drusila
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: 100 percent bounce |
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TribuneAfricanus@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 21 Jul 2001 01:04:53 -0000 |
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I also just realized I am getting the same thing. Since this
morning, I have gotten no mail from yahoogroups to my aol account.
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[novaroma] Meditations of Marcus Aurelius |
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trog99@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 21 Jul 2001 04:33:12 -0000 |
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Salvete Omnes:
I have found this passage of Marcus Aurelius most inspiring, to the
point where I feel moved to share it will you:
Honour the Highest
Honour the highest thing in the Universe; it is the power on which all
things depend; it is the light by which all of life is guided. Honour
the highest within yourself; for it too is the power on which all
things depend, and the light by which all life is guided.
Dig within. Within is the wellspring of Good; and it is always ready
to bubble up, if you just dig.
You have seen a hand, a foot, or perhaps a head severed from its body
and lying some distance away . Such is the state a man brings himself
to - as far as he is able - when he refuses to accept what befalls
him, breaks away from helping others, or pursues self-seeking action.
You become an outcast from the unity of Nature; though born of it,
your own hand has cut you from it. Yet here is the beautiful proviso;
it lies within your own power to join Nature once again. God has not
granted such a favour to any other part of creation: to return again,
after having been separated and cleft asunder.
O Universe, all that is in tune with you is also in tune with me!
Every note of your harmony resonates in my innermost being. For me
nothing is early and nothing is late, if it is timely for you. O
Nature, all that your seasons bring is fruit for me. From thee come
all things; in thee do all things live and grow; and to thee do all
things return....
Waste no more talking about great souls and how they should be.
Become one yourself!
Marcus Aurelius, from Meditations.......
Marcus Aurelius, known as one of the Five Good (great??)
Emperors......such broadvisioned, immortal words and thoughts,
treasured by men of many different faiths throughout a vast passage of
time hence.
Pompeia Cornelia
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 1538 |
| From: |
"Sybil Leek" <DolanAp@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:13:39 -0700 |
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Salvete Omnes,
Over the last few listings I have read many of the retorts posted after this
topic was brought up. I am sure many of you a avid readers of ancient Roman
philosophy, culture, and religious practices. I believe that this posting
posses a very interesting question. Being, how could a culture hold
seemingly contradictory beliefs. This may be a very dificult question to
discuss without our modern concepts getting involved.
I have done some reading on ancient cultures and their ways of living. In my
readings I have found that these ancient peoples in some ways were not much
diferent than us. For example, take a cross cut of Roman culture in any
ancient time period and consider who was living in a given city. Consider
Rome itself, there were diferent quarters in the city and in these areas
would be differing cultural centers do to its main population. Romans,
Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, etc.... be they slaves, freeborn, visitors, or
transplants (those that have moved from another area) all would have lived
in the city of Rome.
Are we to assume that these people would stop believing in their personal
ways? Do we, when we move to a new city, house, or country? Or do we bring
our personal beliefs with us? When we move do we not also try to live in
reletive peace with our new neighbors?
Now think of all the things you have read about the Roman's, the mob of
cultures that the city of Rome had to be. How many temples were built in
Rome; and how many were truely Roman. I believe that the Roman culture, in
the period for kings, had several rulers that were not freeborn Roman
citizens. That in later periods there was the cult of the emperor. Also,
that gods and goddess from other cultures were adopted both officially and
by personal favor. If this were not the case then temples would have never
been build to such deities as Cybele, Isis, Orphius, just to name a few. If
adoption did not happen then Roman Emperor's would have never had statues of
Roman gods and goddess next to adopted gods (like Christ) which in turn
stood next to ancesteral masks and house Lares.
Now consider if adoption of beliefs happened, and does still. Because we
hold true that which seems right or familiar to us. Do you not think that
the Roman's would have seen other beliefs in familiar terms to there own
views? Personally, I doubt that religious unrest comes from the religion,
the belief, or the philosophy of the religion. However, any given belief can
and is used by human nature to set aside ourselves as special and diferent.
I also doubt that the belief in a singal god as appossed to many gods was
the cause of social, moral, or ethical change. However, I do think that
social unrest does occur when we as a social identity feel threatened. We as
social groups do not like change. Especially, if that change seems to be
more powerful than us. We try to control the new intruder by changing its
views to be more like ours in failing that we push it away and reject its
reality. By the way, we as individuals and cultural groups still do this.
This is just a thought on the possed topic. I was once tought a very
important concept of life. The concept is this, when entering a new
situation especially a conversation that may set you on edge. Meet your
friend and apponent half way, by first, agreeing to disagree not to fight
over who is right or wrong about the subject or situation. This allows a
discussin to happen and not an arguement to insue. If you can keep this in
mind then you can ask each other questions and assist each other in solving
the question of the topic.
Valete Prima Nocta Ritulia
May all your discussions lead to new ideas and not to dishonor :)
> > > How could the Christians believe in God and at the
> > > same time acknowldge the Roman gods? This doesn't
> > > make sense to me. In fact, it is contradictory. If
> > > you are a Christian, you believe in one God only.
> > > Thus, you cannot acknowldge the existence of Roman
> > > gods because such acknowledgement would contradict
> > > your belief in (only one)God.
> > >
> > > I agree with the others. I think that Christians were
> > > persecuted because they were doing something that was
> > > not Roman: they believed in God and denied the ancient
> > > beliefs in Roman gods, thereby making the empire less
> > > Roman.
> > >
> > > Gaius Julius Caesar
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Blaming Romans |
| From: |
Steven - Piparskeggr <catamount_grange@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:36:05 -0500 |
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Ave Patricius Vitruvius,
Patrick Ferguson wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes!
>
> As far as I know and can tell, the Jews are still
> blamed by some groups for the crucifixtion of Jesus.
> In Catholic masses on Good Friday this is made pretty
> clear. All of the peole in the nave (seating area)
> play the part of the Jews and yell "Crucify him!
> Crucify him!". Where as the person who plays pilot
> thinks Jesus is innocent, regrets doing what he must
> do, and washes his hands of guilt. Also, though I am
> much less sure of this, when Catholics pray for
> non-Catholics at a mass everyone kneels as all the
> other faiths are listed, except for the Jews for whom
> we stand because we still blame them.
>
> Valete optime! :->!
>
> Patricius Vitruvius Iulianus,
>
Having spent the first third (or so) of my life as a
Roman Catholic - I must say I've never witnessed such
behavior during Mass.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] NR Coins |
| From: |
Steven - Piparskeggr <catamount_grange@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:57:38 -0500 |
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Salvete Omnes et Ave Cassius!
I have this day received my nova sestercii.
Very nicely done!
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] AMERICA AUSTRORIENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER TWO |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:29:08 -0700 (PDT) |
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AMERICA AUSTRORIENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER TWO
ESTABLISHMENT OF REGIONES
I, Lucius Sicinius Drusus, Propraetor America
Austrorientalis, issue the following Edicta to
establish the Regiones of the Provincia.
1. Each Regio will have a Praefectus Regio, who shall
be a resident of that Regio.
2. The duties of the Praefectus Regio shall be
A. To report the conditions of the Regio to the
Propraetor.
B. To settle disputes between Citizens of the
Regio, subject to Appeal to the Propraetor.
C. To establish the boundaries of any Municipia
within the Regio.
3. The Regio of Florida shall consist of the state of
Florida.
4. The Regio of Carolina shall consist of the states
of North Carolina and South Carolina.
5. The Regio of Medius Terra shall consist of the
states of Georgia and Alabama.
6. The Regio of Magna Flumen shall consist of the
states of Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Tennessee.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Christian beliefs |
| From: |
Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:47:08 -0700 (PDT) |
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Maximina Octavia <myownq@-------->
> Subject: Re: Re: Christian beliefs
>
> Ave dearest Dalmaticus,
>
> I read the vote and the comments contained therein.
> I think the request was that you re-write the
> proposal for reconsideration. Please don't consider
> the vote an all out rejection.
>
> Perhaps in taking this vote so personally, has
> caused hard feelings that are inhibiting you from
> moving forward on this issue. It might be to your
> benefit to have a disinterested party review your
> proposal for a fresh perspective on its content.
> This person could possibly shed light that would
> help in getting this proposal passed.
I apologize if I have caused or am causing hard
feelings by or about anyone. It is probably just my
frustration showing :).
I welcome a third party to review our proposed
charter.
> I personally would be interested in a Roman
> historical perspective of Judaism. There is much we
> all could learn in a group such as this. Nothing so
> alleviates peoples fear as de-mystification.
>
> You have my support and best wishes for forming a
> group that studies historical Judaism in ancient
> Rome.
Thank you. We appreciate your support (and that of
many others who have voiced it on this list) as well.
> Best of Luck,
>
> Vale, Maximina Octavia
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HQ USAREUR/7A
CMR 420, BOX 2839
APO AE 09063-2839
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] PROPRAETOR HISPANIAE |
| From: |
Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 21 Jul 2001 03:17:00 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salve, M. Salix Vigilius.
Congratulations on your recent appointment!
May our Provincia grow and prosper under your mandate.
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Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Thules.
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[novaroma] Re: Byzantine Empire/Christianity |
| From: |
"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:58:04 -0400 |
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<<Maximina Octavia wrote:
We have more chance of understanding the man from Mars that we do the Roman
mind or any ancient mind. Our comprehension cannot come close to
understanding the collective consciousness of a nation and its people from
so long ago.>>
I keep hearing this & just wonder why so many historians etc think that
people's psyches were so different just because they lived long ago. Notice
I said psyches, NOT beliefs etc. Different societies bring thier children
up to believe differently. That would be why "universal morality" is so
hard to define, even with only contemporary societies, since a vast
difference exists in our modern world. Throw in the ancients and no matter
what you feel must be "beyond question evil" some society now or in history
will have practised this and felt it to be morally correct.
But that is not the same as saying their brains don't work like ours, or
that psychologically they functioned differently. If you study the reasons,
for instance, that the Aztecs sacrificed so many victims in the way they
did, it makes sense psychologically. Nothing alien. Just programming &
conditioning.
So, the only barrier to figuring out how to "think like a Roman" is to
figure out why they did what they did.
And there certainly seems to be a plethora of philosophical texts helping us
out there. More than any other ancient culture, I would think.
So yes, our comprehension can come very close to "getting it".
Oh, & this does not even address something a lot of us Pagans believe in,
which is reincarnation. LOL
Helena/Teleri
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 1538 |
| From: |
"David Wolfman" <dwolfman@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:23:24 |
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Salve,
I would like to point out something. Language is a very powerful tool. Used
with care it can enlighten, but it can also unintentionally stir dissention.
I make this observation in that the our recent discussions about religion
and history we have made statements phrased "blaming Romans". As a
correction I would say again neither Romans nor Jews as a group were
responible for Christ's death. Rather I see it as a group of individuals
within the power structure of 1st century Jerusalem should be held
accountable. It can be said certain elements within the overall Roman and/or
Jewish societal system were used against Jesus, but the people as a whole
should not be blamed. I sincerly doubt that as a Roman military governer,
Pilate asked for the opinion on this matter, or many matters. He was acting
as a representive of the empire and thus used his authority and judgment.
Another problem is that the Jewish people then, and today, almost never had
a unanomous decsion on anything. On the unlikely chance Pilate did ask the
crowd their opinion he would have had a multitude of differing opinions on
the case.
The Roman authority was over both the priests and Herod so that the local
government worked for Rome. This is not really important. Yes, the Romans
used locals to do their dirty work whereever they went, Yes, the Romans let
local traditions and local government handle the day-to-day affairs of
state. The Roman's prime concern was financial. In this way Pilate could
made a statement saying he washed his hands of the case since it was a local
dispute. But, the reality is he was responisible because he was the man
giving orders to the local authority, even to the priests. His convienent
washing of his hands is a way to shift blame. Once again this is not longer
important in the grand scheme of things. No one group is solely responible.
Don't blame the Romans or the Jews. Blame the indivduals in power.
The other points I would like to touch upon while I am writing this epistle
(let it be known I rarely given short answers, my profs. loved my essays)
are the historical pysche and the official study of ancient Judaism.
The latter being a personal issue. I wish to clarify and correct myself. I
was under the impression the NR was debating an official "church" of the
Jewish faith, rather than an official area of study. I do not encourage an
institutional or orginized Jewish "church", nor do I believe any religion is
aided by putting itself into a state of institutionalization with a
hierarchy and inflexible structure. However, I do wholeheartily encourage
the study of religions. The more knowledge we have of our personal faiths
AND other faiths the more understanding and tolerance there is. The concepts
of multiculturalism and education leads to growth. Ya-shiva, or places of
study and learning, are very important in the Jewish tradition. They
encourage debate, literacy, interpretation of scripture and the Laws. After
the destruction of the Temple the synagouge and ya-shiva made the faith more
accesible to all Jews, not just the priests. The rabbi is a teacher, not
ordinain with any power above anyone else. A rabbi is a rabbi because of his
knoweledge of scripture and the Laws. His rule to officaite over ceramonies
is something any Jew (or any person) who studied the law. A Jewish community
required never a synagouge nor rabbi only a place to meet and a person who
can read and understand the Law. Having said this, I believe it would
benefit NR to have a its citizens have the opportunity to learn about
Judaism. Philo and Josephus were influencial in the Jewish and overall Roman
community. Philo's thoughts on Greek philosophy encouraged the Neo-Platoism
and a rebirth of Stoicism. His thoughts were of unity. Philo writes for both
audiences saying we are more alike if you look at our ideas. He saw more
similarites than differences.
That brings more to the historical pycshe. I have studied history and
philosophy with a passion since elementary school, maybe before. Just
because the Romans or Greek or Persians come from a time so removed from
ours it does not mean they thought all that differently from you or I. In
fact, ancient philosophy will resonate with the modern reader because times
and environment change but the human mind is not seperated by the boundaries
of time or place. Reading a letter from a Sumerian father to his son in
school is like reading one from today. The father tells his son to study
hard and stop asking for more money. He says to mind your teachers and not
go to parties and chase after women... mind you as today I the son did not
neccisarily follow that advice. Open Marcus Aurelius today and you will see
the same concerns (health, money, children, safety, etc.) as you and I have
today. Plus we gain a new perspective since humanity is evolving, but with
the same needs, we look at our ancesters for guidence since they faced the
same problems in totaly different conditions. Learning from the past,
victories and failures, we as a species can see where we have been and how
far we have progressed or regressed and build for the future.
Thank for your time once again my friends,
Marcus Sententiosus Lupis
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Re: [novaroma] PROPRAETOR HISPANIAE |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?B?WWFubiBRdely6Q==?= <yquere@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 21 Jul 2001 20:41:59 +0200 |
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Salvete Propraetor and congratulations for your appointment
I am sure you'll do great things for Nova Roma and for your Provincia as
well
Bene Vale
Ianus Querius Armoricus Lutecio
Propraetor Galliae
----- Original Message -----
From: salix <salice@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 12:46 PM
Subject: [novaroma] PROPRAETOR HISPANIAE
A.D.XIII. KAL. AVG. A.V.C. MMDCCLIV FLAVIVS VEDIVS GERMANICVS
ET MARCVUS CASSIVS IULIANVS COS.
I, Marcus Salix Vigilius do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of
Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the
Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Salix Vigilius swear to honor the
Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman
Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Marcus Salix Vigilius swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as
the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would
threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Marcus Salix Vigilius swear to protect and defend the Constitution of
Nova Roma.
I, Marcus Salix Vigilius further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Propraetor Hispaniae to the best of my
abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Propraetor Hispaniae and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
Yo, Marcus Salix Vigilius , por la presente juro solemnemente defender el
honor de Nova Roma, y actuar siempre en el mejor interés de el Pueblo y el
Senado de Nova Roma.
Como magistrado de Nova Roma, yo, Marcus Salix Vigilius juro honrar a los
Dioses y a las Diosas de Roma en mis actos públicos, y a seguir las Virtudes
Romanas en mi vida privada y pública.
Yo, Marcus Salix Vigilius juro sostener y defender la Religión Romana como
la Religión de Estado de Nova Roma y juro no actuar nunca de forma que pueda
amenazar su estatus como Religión de Estado.
Yo, Marcus Salix Vigilius juro proteger y defender la Constitución de Nova
Roma.
Yo, Marcus Salix Vigilius juro cumplir las obligaciones y
responsabilidades del cargo de Propraetor Hispaniae de la mejor forma
posible, de acuerdo a mi capacidad.
Por mi honor como Ciudadano de Nova Roma, y en la presencia de los Dioses
y Diosas del Pueblo Romano y por su voluntad y favor, acepto el cargo de
Propraetor Hispaniae y todos los derechos , privilegios, obligaciones y
responsabilidades que ello conlleve.
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[novaroma] P. Gramatinicus Albinus |
| From: |
Publius Gramatinicus Albinus <syphax_venaliccii@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:00:35 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salvete Omnes!
Greetings to you all. I just got the results in from
my National Junior Classical League convention
competition, and I am pleased to give you my results:
Classical Art, Level IV - 23rd
Roman Life, Level IV - 15th
Greek Life and Literature, level IV - 16th
Hellenic History, level IV - no place(I will check on
this one)
Heptathalon, level IV - no place(gotta check on this
one also)
Latin Derivatives, level IV - 27th
Reading Comprehension Advanced Prose, level IV - 13th
Roman History, level IV - no place(gotta check this
one also)
Mythology, level IV - 30th
Mottoes, Quotations & Abbreviations, level IV - 25th
Improptu Art, grades 11 & 12 - no place (I sucked at
this one, :-) )
I hope I have made Nova Roma proud.
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pax et lux,
Publius Gramatinicus Albinus
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Re: [novaroma] Meditations of Marcus Aurelius |
| From: |
PompeiaAntoniaCaesar <europamoon7@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:40:45 -0700 (PDT) |
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Ave fellow Pompeia,
I am in the process of reading the Meditations by
Marcus Aurelius at this time. I have found his
writings to be very insightful and comforting. There
is a Stoic Society that has a yahoogroups list that I
belong to. There aren't very many posts but when they
come I really look forward to reading them.
Vale,
Pompeia Antonia Caesar
--- trog99@-------- wrote:
> Salvete Omnes:
>
> I have found this passage of Marcus Aurelius most
> inspiring, to the
> point where I feel moved to share it will you:
>
> Honour the Highest
>
> Honour the highest thing in the Universe; it is the
> power on which all
> things depend; it is the light by which all of life
> is guided. Honour
> the highest within yourself; for it too is the power
> on which all
> things depend, and the light by which all life is
> guided.
>
> Dig within. Within is the wellspring of Good; and
> it is always ready
> to bubble up, if you just dig.
>
> You have seen a hand, a foot, or perhaps a head
> severed from its body
> and lying some distance away . Such is the state a
> man brings himself
> to - as far as he is able - when he refuses to
> accept what befalls
> him, breaks away from helping others, or pursues
> self-seeking action.
> You become an outcast from the unity of Nature;
> though born of it,
> your own hand has cut you from it. Yet here is the
> beautiful proviso;
> it lies within your own power to join Nature once
> again. God has not
> granted such a favour to any other part of creation:
> to return again,
> after having been separated and cleft asunder.
>
> O Universe, all that is in tune with you is also in
> tune with me!
> Every note of your harmony resonates in my innermost
> being. For me
> nothing is early and nothing is late, if it is
> timely for you. O
> Nature, all that your seasons bring is fruit for me.
> From thee come
> all things; in thee do all things live and grow; and
> to thee do all
> things return....
>
> Waste no more talking about great souls and how they
> should be.
> Become one yourself!
>
> Marcus Aurelius, from Meditations.......
>
> Marcus Aurelius, known as one of the Five Good
> (great??)
> Emperors......such broadvisioned, immortal words and
> thoughts,
> treasured by men of many different faiths throughout
> a vast passage of
> time hence.
>
>
>
> Pompeia Cornelia
>
>
>
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