| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Legates and Information |
| From: |
"Robert Woolwine" <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 03 Aug 2001 00:48:15 -0000 |
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--- In novaroma@--------, "Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@n...>
wrote:
> Salve
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rob--------Woolwin--------ailto:al--------us@--------]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:43 PM
> >
> > The way our provincial government is established, there is a set
> > chain of command. I believe that should be utilized in this case.
> > As stated, the governor appoints the Legates, the governor can
> > delagate such information as he/she sees fit to the Legate.
>
> Herein lies the problem. To insist that all information pass
through the
> governor and they must then sort through it and send it to the
legati,
> defeats the purpose of having legati in the first place. Think
about it; one
> appoints a legatus exactly because one doesn't have the time,
knowledge, or
> inclination to manage the day-to-day details of a particular area.
If, every
> time a legatus needs information about (for instance) new cives in
their
> region, they must first ask the governor, who must then petition the
> Censors, who would then give the governor the information, who
would then
> pass it to the legatus, why bother to have a legatus in the first
place? It
> actually creates more work.
>
> You're unnecessarily complicating the administration of the
provincia by
> your refusal to see that legati are appointed by the governors and
ACT IN
> THEIR NAME in that capacity (not shouting; emphasizing). Do you
honestly
> think a general in the Army has to sort through every piece of
information
> and then personally hand it out to his subordinates as appropriate?
Of
> course not.
>
> In addition, it might be argued that to do so is in fact
unconstitutional.
> Paragraph V.C.1.c. of the Constitution states that governors have
the power
> "To manage the day-to-day organization and administration of their
> provincia." By insisting that they conform the internal practices
of their
> province to your arbitrary personal standard, it could be said that
you as
> Censor are usurping their power to administer their province as
they see
> fit. If they want their legati to ask for information directly,
that should
> be their call.
Ave,
I respectfully disagree. The governor will hopefully retain the
information he gets from the Censors. And when he retains the
information he can then dole the necessary information to the
appropriate Legate.
You have your scenario, and here is mine.
You have a governor and a number of Legates. For this example, we
have 6 Legates. Since this is very possible since there is no check
on the number of Legates a governor can have. And I know of at least
one province that will have double that number of Legates. We might
have a situation where a Legate requests for information and fails to
notify his superior. This creates a problem. This breeches the
chain of command and a greater chance of potential wrongdoing.
I disagree that this defeats the purpose of the Legati. A governor
can assign a Legate to do a specific project and then release the
necessary information for the successful resolution of the project.
The if the Legate requires more information, he can contact his
superior and request additional information giving his reasons for
such a request. I see no reason why the Censors need to be bypassed,
and the chain of command breeched. It should be in the prevue of the
governor to decide if the additional information of the Legate is
necessary or not.
Your view that the action of the Censors are unconstitutional are
interesting and I disagree. The Censors are not getting into any
business of the provincia. We are protecting the information of our
citizens. If a governor requests for the information I would be
pleased to fill that request. If a governor tells me to send that
information to a Legate, sure, I would do that too. But if a Legate
comes to me requesting that information. I would decline and I would
tell that Legate that information is released to the governor alone.
It would be up to the governor to pass that information on to his
Legates.
Also, keep in mind, that the Lex Cornelia or Lex Vedia does not
prevent the Censors from establishing a procedure on to how the
Governors or other magistrates might get such information. There is
nothing there that states that we might have a questionarrie that
might need to be filled out. And once that questionarre is completed
the Censors analyze it and then decide if the answers on the
questionarre warrent the release of confidential information. Since
it does state clearly that the Censors MAY release confidential
information. Remember Consul, there are two side on this. There is
the side that the governors are to have the necessary tools to do
their job. But there is also the side that the Censors have a duty
to protect this information. Both sides are very important. I am
not inflexible on this and recongize both needs.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor of Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: The Comitia Centuriata is Convened |
| From: |
Lnzimissu@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:44:01 EDT |
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Salve,
I completely agree with this. As the world stands today, it is so easy anyway
for someone to get personal innformation about anyone they choose to. So, why
should we as citizens, worry about our information being availailabe to those
we trust anyways? Except, for in some rare occasion, it will only be used for
our advancement as a whole. We need to come together on this and move on.
That is only my opinion, and I welcome any other thoughts on the issue.
Vale,
Carolus Octavius
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Senatorial Assensus Major |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:55:12 -0400 (EDT) |
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Citizens of Nova Roma;
I am very pleased to welcome Quintus Iulius Camillius Caesar onto my
Senatorial Staff as Assensus Major. His task will be to advise me on a
variety of items, that eventually I must decide upon. I have already
provided him with a set of difficult questions to get his views on, and
to advise me in both the positive and negative ways, in light of the
questions provided. Ths type of Advisor is difficult to find and a
pleasure to work with. It is indicative of the work accorded to those
who are Advisors to those who must make political decisions.
First, the Advisor must be able to be trusted explicitly, then he or she
must be skilled at looking at both sides of a question intelligently,
and must have sufficient life experience to understand the needs and
desires of a large variety of people, situations and instances.
Finally, the person to whom the Advisor reports must be able to
challenge the Advisor consistantly with questions that are interesting,
important and current. The resulting partnership, if both people are
compatible for the task, can be an extremely satisfying relationship,
and can lead to virtually a limitless future, as all of the above
attributes are part and parcel of success.
I hope that you will join with me in welcoming Master Q. Caesar to the
Senatorial Assensai Staff.
Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Senator and ProConsul
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Senatorial Assensus Major |
| From: |
manius_constantinus_serapio@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 03 Aug 2001 10:39:52 -0000 |
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AVE QVINTVS IVLIVS CAMILLVS CAESAR
I congratulate you on your appointment! Welcome in Marcus
Minucius Audens' senatorial staff.
If the ProConsul chose you, I am sure you will do an excellent job!
OPTIME VALE
MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
scriba senatorius Marci Minuci Audentis Senatoris ProConsulisque
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] NDAs |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 3 Aug 2001 04:12:23 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salvete Omnes,
NDAs are Non Disclosure Agreements. They are very
common among computer programmers. For instance if I
were hired by a company to work on their software, I
would be required to sign an NDA before I would be
allowed to see the source code that I would be working
on. NDAs are a legal contract that forbids me from
disclosing certain information to unauthorized third
partys.
Since some of our citizens fear that their personal
information will be disclosed to unauthorized people,
perhaps we could require that an NDA be signed by the
Nova Roman officials who would be receiving this
information
It wouldn't have to be anything complicated. All that
would be needed is an agreement that the information
received is the proprietary property of Nova Roma
Inc., and that the information can NOT be passed on to
any person or organization outside of Nova Roma, other
than law enforcement agencies as specified by Macro
national law. That it can't be given to any person
within Nova Roma other than legally appointed
officials who have signed the NDA.
We also may want to make signing the NDA a condition
for serving in the office of Censor.
Valete,
L. Sicinius Drusus,
Propraetor America Austrorientalis
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] attn. argentinos / argentinians |
| From: |
octavianuslucius@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 03 Aug 2001 15:43:36 -0000 |
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Salvete
Mañana tendremos un nuevo encuentro. Al igual que la vez anterior, es
en la Facultad de Ingeniería a las 14:30 hs.
Bene Valete
L.P.O.
Salvete
Tomorrow we shall have a new meeting at the same place we held our
last meeting at 14:30 hs local time.
Bene valete.
L.P.O.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Let the citizens decide for themselves! |
| From: |
"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:20:26 -0000 |
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--- In novaroma@--------, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@t...>
wrote:
>
> >All this lex does is clarify the existing law. By Precedent the
> >Governors are considered Magistrates under the existing law.
> >Vale,
> >L. Sicinius Drusus
> >Propraetor, America Austrorientalis
>
>
> Salve Illustrus Propraetor Lucius Sicinius Drusus et Salvete Omnes!
>
> You have not been Governor so long, neither have I. But during my
four
> month long guvernorship I have got the impression (at the
> {ColloquimProvincia} list, consisting of all Guvernors) that it has
been
> very hard, even sometimes impossibe for Guvernors (not to mention
Legates)
> to get, at least, the snail mail adresses for citizens in their
province.
> It was there this Lex was born as I understand it.
DRUSUS: Currently the Censors are applying a very strict
interpatation of magistrate to the law. As I understand it the
interpation was not as strict in the past. In 18 months we will have
2 different Censors, and they may choose a far looser interpatation
of the law. The way the current law is written, it would be legal for
the Censors to give a provincial scribe the entire list of addresses
for all the provinces. The proposed law dosen't fix all the problems
with the privacy law, but it does make it clear that the Governors
are considered magistrates, and it does place a limit on them
recieving information from other provinces.
>
> I agree with You that it is essensial to get this information to be
able to
> function as Guvernor. As a European I am not verys scared to leave
my
> information to an organization that I have freely choosen to be a
> member/citizen of. I take it for granted, as I think most Europeans
do,
> that I will be contacted by that organization. Yes I even demand
that I
> will be! Why in heavens would I otherwise join. To continue to be
anonymous
> and isolated? Then it is better to abstain from joining, I think.
>
> I have understood that there is a certain feeling of misgivings
when it
> comes to Legates. If there is concern in a certain Provincia among
the
> citizens I propose that the Guvernor issue an Edictum that demands
that his
> Legates must have his consent to collect information about citizens
in his
> Provincia.
DRUSUS: That would insure that a legate didn't request information
against the wishes of the Governor, but it would create a bottleneck
on recieving the information. I do think that there should be a
requirement that any magistrate be notified if one of thier aides
requested information.
I also think that it would be a good idea to require a NDA from any
one recieving information. This would provide Nova Roma with a
defense that we took reasonable precautions to prevent third party
disclosure of private information. It would also provide us with the
basis of bringing civil action against those who gave/sold the
information.
>
> I don't want to insult anyone by my stand-point! It is not my
intension to
> quarrel, I am sure that I have been lucky not to having been
harrassed by
> some lunatic or some stupid company. But I still think that we will
have to
> support "Lex Vedia de Privatus Rebus", it is dearly needed by us,
the
> Guvernors, to be able to do our job for You our fellow-citizens.
>
I Agree with this. The Lex Vedia de Privatus Rebus does not correct
all the problems with the Lex Cornelia, but it does make some
improvments without causing any new problems.
I urge all citizens to vote for this law.
Vale,
L. Sicinius Drusus
Propraetor, America Austrorientalis
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Citizenship |
| From: |
radams36@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:55:12 -0000 |
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Salvete, Omnes!
I'm not sure if this is appropriate (if not, please forgive my
impertinence), but I have filled out the application for citizenship,
but am having problems with selecting a Gens. Most of the Gens on the
list at novaroma.org do not list e-mail for their pater/materfamilias.
If there is a Gens that would consider my humble request for
citizenship, preferably one in American Austroccidentalis (since I
live in Texas - geographical proximity being an obvious plus), could
someone please contact me through the group and let me know what more
I need to do to continue the process?
Thank you very much for your forbearance,
R Palaeologus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Citizenship |
| From: |
Gaius Iulius Sulla <c_iulius_sulla@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:26:31 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salve R Palaeologus,
I would suggest you consider the Patrician Gens Iulia.
The Materfamilias, Vopisca Iulia, is very dedicated
to her gens, and the Republic. She also resides in
America Austroccidentalis.
I live in the territory of Texas within America
Austroccidentalis. When I submitted my application
(and emailed her requesting permission to join), I
received a response from her within a few days.
Keep in mind, the Comitia Centuriata is convened and a
vote will be taken soon. During this time, the
censors may not consider new citizen applications.
The vote goes from 7-24 Aug.
I hope you consider my suggestion. I am certain you
will find a rewarding experience in our Gens.
Best Regards, Vale
Gaius Iulius Sulla
--- radams36@-------- wrote:
> Salvete, Omnes!
>
> I'm not sure if this is appropriate (if not, please
> forgive my
> impertinence), but I have filled out the application
> for citizenship,
> but am having problems with selecting a Gens. Most
> of the Gens on the
> list at novaroma.org do not list e-mail for their
> pater/materfamilias.
>
> If there is a Gens that would consider my humble
> request for
> citizenship, preferably one in American
> Austroccidentalis (since I
> live in Texas - geographical proximity being an
> obvious plus), could
> someone please contact me through the group and let
> me know what more
> I need to do to continue the process?
>
> Thank you very much for your forbearance,
>
> R Palaeologus
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] I Have Returned! |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 03 Aug 2001 17:17:22 -0400 |
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Salvete cives et amici,
I am back from a trip out of province. Flew all night from Calgary to
Edmonton and finely onto Toronto. Its great to be back after such an
experance. =)
S. Apollonius Draco and Domna Claudia Auspicata, is there any updates in the
development of the Latinitas Website? I hope to tackle the project seriously
in the comming weeks. Pompeia Cornelia anything new with the certificates?
Hope to hear from you all soon. Trips are great but it is always nice to be
back home. Hope all is well with everyone here in Nova Roma.
Donec infra,
"Quamquam cupido sis delictum ab sui crebro suum mater ab vitualis"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia
Canada Orientalis Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/canorien
Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--
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