| Subject: |
[novaroma] gathering |
| From: |
PompeiaAntoniaCaesar <europamoon7@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 4 Aug 2001 17:38:53 -0700 (PDT) |
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Avete Omnes,
I will be having a gathering at my home in Orange
County, CA on Saturday, August 11 at 1:00 p.m.. Any
Nova Romans wishing to attend please contact me by
email as that is the best way to reach me. The
afternoon will include lunch, a ritual to be
performed, a poetry reading and lots of good company
and great conversation plus the chance to meet fellow
Nova Romans. Hope some of you can make.
Vale,
Pompeia Antonia Caesar
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Second novaroman meeting in Buenos Aires |
| From: |
octavianuslucius@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Aug 2001 03:51:24 -0000 |
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Salvete omnes.
I am glad to announce that on Saturday 4th, 2001 at 14:30 local time,
we had our second novaroman meeting in Buenos Aires. We were 5 out of
10 citizens. So 50% of the provincial citizens were present. We shall
have more meetings once a month. During these meetings, more people
interested in history are and will be present.
Bene valete
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor provincialis Argentinae
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] email problems |
| From: |
octavianuslucius@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Aug 2001 04:16:33 -0000 |
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Salvete omnes.
I am having some problems with my email. So please, do not email me.
Thank you.
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] event |
| From: |
PompeiaAntoniaCaesar <europamoon7@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 4 Aug 2001 22:51:35 -0700 (PDT) |
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Avete Omnes,
Will anyone be participating or attending the Estrella
War XVIII in 2002 in Arizona? I will be attending
and would love to communicate with other Nova Romans
who may also attend.
Vale,
Pompeia Antonia Caesar
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: A Better Idea |
| From: |
"Robert Woolwine" <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Aug 2001 12:10:41 -0000 |
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--- In novaroma@--------, TribuneAfricanus@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 8/4/01 10:49:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> g--------iusnerva@-------- writes:
>
> << If a citizen
> does NOT wish to share his phone number or address, then the
governor
> should have nothing to worry about, for if that citizen's email
> address becomes invalid later, the citizen in question has only
cut
> himself off from NR. >>
>
> The point I think the governors and Legates are making is that we
do not even
> have email contact information.
Ave,
That is incorrect. Every governor, who has requested information,
has gotten emiail contact information.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Edictum Propraetoricium XXII about the delegated authority of the Senior Legatus Thules |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:53:31 +0200 |
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Ex Officio Propraetoris Thulae
Edictum Propraetoricium XXII about the delegated authority of the Senior
Legatus Thules
Honorable Titus Octavius Pius already has, on my orders, taken some
contacts and fullfied some tasks. He has also given me some excellent
advice in his (former) capacity as Consiliarius. Honorable Titus Octavius
Pius has attended to these missions with the formost seriousness and
carefulness. To enable him to continue on this successful route in his
capacity as Senior Legatus I issue this Edictum.
This is the appropriate quote from the Regula:
"5. The Propraetor Thules may appoint one Senior Legatus, this could be an
separate position or held together with one of the Legatus Regionis
positions. The Senior Legatus shall function as Deputy to the Propraetor
when so ordered by the Propraetor Thules. The Propraetor shall publish an
edictum for each occasion that the Senior Legatus shall function as his
Deputy. The Edictum shall include directives for the assignment including
time for the assignment and the actual task. The Senior Legati can also be
assigned special missions, aside the assignments as Deputy, by the
Propraetor Thules. These missions and the duration of them will be
specified in Propraetorian edicts. The appointment and dismissal of the
Senior Legatus shall follow the same rules as for the other Legati."
I. This Edictum details the delegated authority of the Senior Legatus Thules.
II. With the instructions of the Propraetor, the Senior Legatus may act in
the name of the Propraetor Thules in order to:
1. Obtain information
2. Obtain goods for the Provincia
3. Contact non-magistral citizens
III. With the written instructions of the Propraetor, the Senior Legatus
may act in the name of the Propraetor in order to:
1. Contact Magistrates and other Guvernors of Nova Roma
2. Speak out on public fora of Nova Roma on behalf of the Propraetor Thules
3. Contact, discuss with and instruct other Legati Thules
IV. The Senior Legatus is entitled to perform some or all duties relevant
to the office of the Propraetor when:
1. Supported in this by an Edictum issued by the Propraetor as specified in
the Regula.
2. The Propraetor is indisposed, and unable to perform his duties. Such a
period must be ordered by an Edictum issued by the Propraetor or if the
Propraetor is unable to issue an Edictum, by an unanimous vote by the
Consilium Provinciale Thules. The Senior Legatus shall do this with the
title "Senior Legatus et Gubernator Activus".
V. As soon as possible the Senior Legatus must relinquish his power as
"Senior Legatus et Gubernator Activus" to the Propraetor Thules.
VI. The Senior Legatus shall advice the Propraetor, on his request, on all
issues within Provincia Thule and Nova Roma at large.
VII. Whenever the Senior Legatus employs the authority granted to him in
this Edictum, he is obligated to inform the Propraetor by a verbal or
written report of all aspects of his actions.
VIII. Exercising authority in violation of this edict will cause the
immediate loss of the position as Senior Legatus, and such violations are
in no way considered confidential information, unless proclaimed such by
the Propraetor Thules.
IX. This Edictum becomes effective immediately and is valid until recalled
By the Propraetor Thules or at the most until the end of 2754. This Edictum
may be re-enforced by a new Edictum for a new period.
Given August 6th, in the year of the consulship of Flavius Vedius
Germanicus and Marcus Cassius Iulianus, 2754 AUC.
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Propraetor Thules
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
Accensus to Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus
The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an offical opinion of Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: A Better Idea |
| From: |
"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 5 Aug 2001 16:18:23 +0200 |
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M. Apollonius Formosanus omnibus Quiritibus S.P.D.
I seem to be loosing my grip on reality - Nerva agreeing with
*me*???!!! :-0 But seriously, the fact that the strongest exponent
of privacy sees the merit in my proposal, and has clarified that he
is not at all against governors' having the necessary information to
organise their provinces is significant.
My proposal was that governors and their subordinates need to know
four things and four things only about a civis: (1) That he lives
geographically in the province, (2) his Roman name, (3) his e-mail
address (unless he does not have e-mail access, in which case a
postal address), and (4) his town of residence (to help in planning
and administrating regiones).
If a governor and his administration know these four things, they can
plan for their provincia and they can contact all the cives in their
sphere of activity who keep their address (whether electronic or
postal) up to date.
If a civis wishes to make his link with Nova Roma through e-mail, as
apparently most of us do, then I would consider it in almost every
case an abuse and a form of harassment to attempt communication by
other means unless those alternative means have been specifically and
individually requested by the individual involved. An actial
unsollicited visit to his home (and what else is a street address
rather than a postal address for?) would be even more so.
If a person wishes to be a member of any organisational or mailing
list utilising the internet, then it is *his* responsibility to keep
a current and usable e-mail address in the hands of said organisation
or list. Just as is the case with someone preferring snailmail. It is
none of our business to "track down" citizens who don't care enough
to do this, and even if we did track them down, how active would they
subsequently be?
The governers badly need the four pieces of information I proposed.
They should get it. They need no more, and should get no more unless
the cives involved freely and specifically choose to provide it on an
individual basis.
__________
By the way, I would like to note that Drusus mentions that we may
someday have citizens who know *no* English. I believe we already
have some. But has he stopped to consider that someday we may have a
Censor who speaks no English? The reality of the outside world and
its linguistic diversity has yet to penetrate the minds of the c. 4%
of humanity who are Americans. (Which I say as a fellow American
citizen who is also a professional interlinguist, not in malice
towards any, but to stimulate private thought. :-)
Valete!
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 16:38:24 -0000
From: "Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@-------->
Subject: Re: A Better Idea
--- In novaroma@--------, gcassiusnerva@c... wrote:
> I think the ideas expressed by Formosanus are good ones and
>make a fair compromise. If a governor needs to contact a citizen
>by snail mail {such as in the event that an email address seems to
>be no longer valid} such a letter or card could be sent by the
>censors.
>
>I want to stress that I am not opposed to governors desiring to
>contact citizens in their provinces. I *am* however protective of
>my phone number and actual street address.
>
> We can avoid having another law on the books if the governors
>or their staffs send a mailing to each citizen's email address
>asking for this information from those who do mind giving it. If a
>citizen does NOT wish to share his phone number or address, then the
>governor should have nothing to worry about, for if that citizen's
>email address becomes invalid later, the citizen in question has
>only cut himself off from NR. The governor has only to go about his
>business as usual, and if that citizen cannot be contacted about the
> provincial get-together or party or reenacting event, it is on that
> citizen's own head.
>
> Nerva
Salve,
I Understand your desire to protect your privacy.
However The Censors allready have a very heavy workload.
Sending A snail mail may not seem like much of an addition, but
sending several hundred snailmails is. That is the current situation,
and in a few years it will get worse. There are also the cases where
a phone call might be needed. Having to make transatlantic and
transpacific phone calls can get very expensive. It does not account
for the citizens who speak English as a second language, and who may
not be very good at it.
As Nova Roma continues to grow in size and diversity the job of
maintaining the database of the citizens will have to migrate
downward, first to the Provinces, then to the Regios. It simply is
not humanly possible for two part time volunteers (And that IS what
the Censors are) to maintain a database as large and as diverse as
Nova Roma's Album Civium is becomming.
When Nova Roma was a few hundred people, mainly in the USA, it
could be done. In the not too distant future Nova Roma will be
thousands of People all over the world, and will include citizens who
speak NO English.
To prepare for the future, and to lighten the workload on the
Censors, it is time to start moving the maintance of the Album Civium
to the Provinces. Each Province needs to have a Censorial Scriba who
will maintain a Album Provincia. The Album Civium would then become
the sum of the Alba Provinciae, plus the citizens living outside a
Provincia.
These Scribes would be the people in the provinces who would
have the access to the records. That will serve our needs for a few
years, but when the provinces become as large as Nova Roma is now,
Regio Scribes will have to be appointed.
Vale,
L. Sicinius Drusus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: A Better Idea |
| From: |
"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 05 Aug 2001 15:39:27 -0000 |
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--- In novaroma@--------, "M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@--------> wrote:
>
>
> M. Apollonius Formosanus omnibus Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> I seem to be loosing my grip on reality - Nerva agreeing with
> *me*???!!! :-0 But seriously, the fact that the strongest exponent
> of privacy sees the merit in my proposal, and has clarified that he
> is not at all against governors' having the necessary information to
> organise their provinces is significant.
>
> My proposal was that governors and their subordinates need to know
> four things and four things only about a civis: (1) That he lives
> geographically in the province, (2) his Roman name, (3) his e-mail
> address (unless he does not have e-mail access, in which case a
> postal address), and (4) his town of residence (to help in planning
> and administrating regiones).
>
> If a governor and his administration know these four things, they can
> plan for their provincia and they can contact all the cives in their
> sphere of activity who keep their address (whether electronic or
> postal) up to date.
>
> If a civis wishes to make his link with Nova Roma through e-mail, as
> apparently most of us do, then I would consider it in almost every
> case an abuse and a form of harassment to attempt communication by
> other means unless those alternative means have been specifically and
> individually requested by the individual involved. An actial
> unsollicited visit to his home (and what else is a street address
> rather than a postal address for?) would be even more so.
>
> If a person wishes to be a member of any organisational or mailing
> list utilising the internet, then it is *his* responsibility to keep
> a current and usable e-mail address in the hands of said organisation
> or list. Just as is the case with someone preferring snailmail. It is
> none of our business to "track down" citizens who don't care enough
> to do this, and even if we did track them down, how active would they
> subsequently be?
DRUSUS: They may prove to be very active, but just not intrested in
subscribing to some very argumentive e-mail lists. I am working on
ways that citizens can meet face to face. On making it easy for those
intrested in reenactments to find a Legio. On events for citizens who
have an intrest in the Religio. There are a lot of citizens ou there
who became bored with a Micro Nation that was little more than a group
of e-mail lists. These are the citizens that I need to reach.
Snail mail can be a powerful tool to keep citizens involved. A
quarterly news letter from the Governor, a greeting card at New years.
These are the kind of things that make a citizen feel that he blongs
to something more than just another internet group.
>
> The governers badly need the four pieces of information I proposed.
> They should get it. They need no more, and should get no more unless
> the cives involved freely and specifically choose to provide it on an
> individual basis.
DRUSUS: I Maintain that the civies made this choose when they
submitted thier application to Nova Roma. I have been following groups
promoting privacy on the internet for some years. The concern is
allways about releasing or selling information to people OUTSIDE the
organization that gathered the data from it's members. I have never
seen it taken to the extreem postion that an organization was susposed
to handicap itself by placing severe limits on the data it's officers
could access.
>
> __________
> By the way, I would like to note that Drusus mentions that we may
> someday have citizens who know *no* English. I believe we already
> have some. But has he stopped to consider that someday we may have a
> Censor who speaks no English? The reality of the outside world and
> its linguistic diversity has yet to penetrate the minds of the c. 4%
> of humanity who are Americans. (Which I say as a fellow American
> citizen who is also a professional interlinguist, not in malice
> towards any, but to stimulate private thought. :-)
>
DRUSUS: As a matter of fact I have considered the possibilities that
are part of belonging to an international organization. I consider it
very likely that one day BOTH Censors will speak Englih as a second
language, However due to the dominant postion of English as an
international language, it's place on the internet, and our reliance
on internet voting, it is unlikely that we shall see a Censor or any
other higher Magistrate elected who speaks no English. For some time
to come English will remain the language that allows communication
with the largest number of citizens, and that gives English speakers
an overwhealming advantage against non english speakers in an election.
Vale,
L. Sicinius Drusus
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