Subject: Re: [novaroma] more on Centuries
From: Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:49:37 -0400
Salve Maia Apollonia,

First off, I wish to welcome you to the res publica. I look forward to
talking to you on many interesting subjects in the future. For now, lets
start with this one.

The issue with citizen Marcus Tarquinius is that there is an error in the
website. I discovered this and brought it to attention. Hopefully is shall
be corrected soon. To the best of my knowledge Marcus is supposed to be in
century 19 the only problem is that it says he is a new citizen although he
is an older citizen. No a big problem and does not affect voting.

>Maia Apollonia Pica at mjarc@-------- wrote:

>
> Of course. However, it would seem from these posts that we cannot
> really rely on century points right now. I understood from reading
> the list that the data they are based on is incomplete and sometimes
> plain wrong.

The mistakes you found are small and do not affect voting seriously, if at
all. I am sure these small mistakes will be corrected soon enough.

One more thing. You posted a quote from consul Flavius Vedius Germanicus
talking of how centuries are reorganised in November. This is nothing new,
it says somewhere in the Tabularium that centuries are to be reorganised
every November based on any new century points acuminated over the year by a
citizen. I believe it would be chaos if the centuries where rearrange more
then on a yearly bases.

>
> Especially as a lex on privacy, any lex on privacy I guess, may be
> seen as a little controversial?

I have more too say about this proposed lex... I shall post my thoughts in a
new message the moment I get some more free time.

Vale,

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"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"

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Subject: Re: [novaroma] Duty to Vote, Cista Site, Invalid Voter Codes
From: Livia Julia Aenea Apollonia <ms_livia_julia@-------->
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:53:27 -0700 (PDT)
I have had a large delay in receiving my NovaRoma
voting code. I have emailed the proper ones for a
request to receive a voters code and am still waiting.
Any suggestions?

Liv
--- Appius Tullius Cato <a.cato@--------> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes: I would like to remind citizens who
> have not yet taken the opportunity to vote to please
> do so. It only takes a few moments of your time, and
> should be the least to expect from those of us who
> are citizens of Nova Roma. It is your right, and
> duty as Nova Romans to take part in election and
> voting procedures. You can complete the process in
> literally seconds. I hope that we will have a large
> turn-out on this occasion. Vote casting ends at
> 12:00 noon Eastern Standard time on Aug. 24. (this
> is 6:00 p.m. Roma time.)
> For our new citizens that may not be familiar
> with the procedure, the address for the Cista,
> (where we vote), is
>
>
http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/voting/index.html
>
> Another issue that I would like to address is
> Invalid Voter Codes. Quite often in the past I have
> found that many of the Invalid Voter Codes are the
> result of citizens confusing capital I's (eyes) with
> 1's (ones), and also letter O's (ohs) with the
> number 0 (zero). Please note that your Voter Code
> consists of three letters followed by three numbers,
> and try not to get them confused. This way you
> ensure that your vote counts towards the final
> result. We wish to see as many people as possible
> have the opportunity to take part in these
> procedures.
>
> Valete omnes, .... Appius Cato
> Rogator, Novae Romae
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>


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Subject: Re: [novaroma] Duty to Vote, Cista Site, Invalid Voter Codes
From: Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@-------->
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:33:13 -0700
Ave,

Who did you email, because I have not gotten any emails from you sent to
the Censors office, and it is through our office that voter codes are
issued.

Please respond to me privately with your full Roman name and we can get
this resolved.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor of Nova Roma

Livia Julia Aenea Apollonia wrote:
>
> I have had a large delay in receiving my NovaRoma
> voting code. I have emailed the proper ones for a
> request to receive a voters code and am still waiting.
> Any suggestions?
>
> Liv
> --- Appius Tullius Cato <a.cato@--------> wrote:
> > Salvete Omnes: I would like to remind citizens who
> > have not yet taken the opportunity to vote to please
> > do so. It only takes a few moments of your time, and
> > should be the least to expect from those of us who
> > are citizens of Nova Roma. It is your right, and
> > duty as Nova Romans to take part in election and
> > voting procedures. You can complete the process in
> > literally seconds. I hope that we will have a large
> > turn-out on this occasion. Vote casting ends at
> > 12:00 noon Eastern Standard time on Aug. 24. (this
> > is 6:00 p.m. Roma time.)
> > For our new citizens that may not be familiar
> > with the procedure, the address for the Cista,
> > (where we vote), is
> >
> >
> http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/voting/index.html
> >
> > Another issue that I would like to address is
> > Invalid Voter Codes. Quite often in the past I have
> > found that many of the Invalid Voter Codes are the
> > result of citizens confusing capital I's (eyes) with
> > 1's (ones), and also letter O's (ohs) with the
> > number 0 (zero). Please note that your Voter Code
> > consists of three letters followed by three numbers,
> > and try not to get them confused. This way you
> > ensure that your vote counts towards the final
> > result. We wish to see as many people as possible
> > have the opportunity to take part in these
> > procedures.
> >
> > Valete omnes, .... Appius Cato
> > Rogator, Novae Romae
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
>
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Subject: Re: [novaroma] The problems of the Late Republic
From: "Decimus Iunius Silanus" <danedwardsuk@-------->
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:53:05 +0100

Salvete,



Salvete...
Just some thought provoking passages from the
book 'Caesar' which
made me ask some questions on the Late Republic..What were the
weaknesses of it?
Was it the personal incapabilities of the senators?Or was it the problem
of the Senate as
an instutition which could no longer function properly to rule a world
empire?How come
strong individuals like Sulla,Caesar and Pompey could find the potential
of defiance to the
existing order?And finally...Was Augustus a blessing or a curse for Rome
given the same
framework of the Senate?
Any comments and views are highly
appreciated and as a matter of
fact needed....
Valete bene...


I think that the Roman Republic was a victim of its own success - a city state trying to run an empire. A more autocratic system of governemt was, I believe, inevitable, if the empire was to be sustained. The Republic was fine when Rome was truly just a city state, and even when tracts Italia were enfranchised. Sooner or later though, more and more citizens of the empire were going to clamour for citizenship and the politicians in Rome were going to clamour to give it to them in order give them greater political clout. Given the technology of the day, such an advanced system of governement could not be maintained over ever increasing territory.

Thankfully, we in NR now have the technology to reinstate the glorious res publica.

Just my opinion - I'm certainly not a historian as you all can probably tell :-)

Valete

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Subject: Re: [novaroma] Using Rivers for Supplies
From: "Milly Jansen" <millys2@-------->
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:44:48 +0200
Salvete Omnes!

May I humbly add to this that the romans even "made" their own waterways
sometimes. Remember Drusus and his Fossa? (Drusus'Fosse is said to be dug
near the place where I live, Germania Inferior).

Optime Vale!

Agrippina Iulia Germanica


>From: jmath669642reng@--------
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Using Rivers for Supplies
>Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:33:44 -0400 (EDT)
>
>Master Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa;
>
>Quote:--
>
>"A new offensive against the Dacians was being plnned for the following
>spring (AD 88). Viminacium was a hive of activity throughout thewinter
>as troops and supplies arrived for the coming campaign. Most supplies
>were towed up the Danube in barges. But late in winter, ice floating
>down river crashed through the gorge to the east of Viminacium, ripping
>away sections of the towpath. It happened most years, as soon as the
>river subsided, the soldiers were out in force repairing the path."
>(Pages 12-13)
>
>On these pages are drawings and diagrams of the tow-path and the work
>parties engaged in the task of repair. On pages 14-15 a more detiled
>picture of an average barge is shown.
>
>Reference:
>
>"The Legionary", Peter Connolly, Oxford University Press, 1988
>
>"Gubernatores" are included on the l6th century list of Miles Immunes,
>and are described as "ship pilots." However, there is a possiblituy
>that these immunes were also used as pilots on river craft, that suplied
>the Legion bases along the Rhile, danubeand other rivers where legion
>bases were found.
>(Page 119)
>
>Reference:
>
>"The Roman Imperial Army", Graham Webster, Univ. of Oklahoma Press,
>1998.
>
>Respectfully;
>Marcus Audens
>
>Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
>http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
>


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Subject: Re: [novaroma] absentia
From: "Erik van der Heijden" <marcellusdecianusbatavius@-------->
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:46:37 +0200
Salve Mani Constantini!

Thanx for your comment. So it's a 3-day meeting in Forum Fulvii! Roma is
purely optional.

Have a nice holiday :-)

Vale Marcellus Decianus


>From: "Manius Constantinus Serapio"
><manius_constantinus_serapio@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] absentia
>Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:11:32 -0000
>
>AVETE OMNES
>
> I inform you that I will be absent from 17th to 21th for my
>(short) summer holydays.
>
>BANE VALETE MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
>


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Subject: [novaroma] help
From: Shane Evans <marcusafricanus@-------->
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:14:55 -0700 (PDT)
If anyone else has information to help me with my kit,
also please feel free to contact me. :o) Now, I am
going to go crawl back under my rock.

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Subject: [novaroma] 1000 Appologies
From: Shane Evans <marcusafricanus@-------->
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:08:30 -0700 (PDT)
I just sent Quintus a letter asking for his help in
putting together my full Roman officer's kit, and I
did not realize until it went out that I sent it to
the main list. I appologize for that, and for
swearing. It's late, and I've been burning too much
incense. I'm going to go pray to Minerva now, and go
to bed before I do something else stupid.

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Subject: [novaroma] Re: 1000 Appologies
From: trog99@--------
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:42:18 -0000
---
Salve Scipio:

Oh please don't feel too bad........it happens ........
Believe me, letters with, hmm, shall we say more *caustic* requests
have crossed the paths of the forum, which were intended for private
audience only :)

Have a nice day, Tribune.

Pompeia Cornelia


In novaroma@--------, Shane Evans <marcusafricanus@--------> wrote:
> I just sent Quintus a letter asking for his help in
> putting together my full Roman officer's kit, and I
> did not realize until it went out that I sent it to
> the main list. I appologize for that, and for
> swearing. It's late, and I've been burning too much
> incense. I'm going to go pray to Minerva now, and go
> to bed before I do something else stupid.
>
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Subject: [novaroma] Re: The problems of the Late Republic-Augustus
From: Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:52:17 -0400

Salvete cives et amici,

A monarchy is the most stable form of government. I believe if Augustus had
not taken control and established the imperial authority then Rome would not
of reached its full potential. If the republic was reinstated after the
death of Caesar I see no reason why the squabbling and power struggles would
of cased. Some new young general politician would continue the struggle over
and over until empire would of fallen apart eventually from the perpetual
cycle of civil wars. Augustus was needed, and he did a superb job at setting
the example of a stable but massive empire. Definitely a blessing given the
circumstances.


"Quamquam cupido sis delictum ab sui crebro suum mater ab vitualis"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"

--
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Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia

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>
>Was Augustus a blessing or
> a curse for Rome given the same Framework of the Senate? Any comments and
> views are highly appreciated and as a matter of fact needed....





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Subject: [novaroma] NOTICE: site will be down
From: Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:03:49 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete Omnes,

The site www.novaroma.org and several provincial or sodalitas sites hosted
on the same server will be unavailable from about 6-9 pm CDT tonight
while the server has its operating system upgraded to FreeBSD 4.3.
Mail to any address at novaroma.org will be queued on another server
and delivered a few hours later.

Valete, Octavius.

M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneum et Senator

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Subject: [novaroma] provincial photos on line
From: danielovi@--------
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:43:46 -0000
Salvete omnes.
The provincial photos of the first NR meeting in Buenos Aires are
already on line. You can see them at the provincial web site or at
this URl :
http://personales.ciudad.com.ar/danielovillanueva/NovaRoma/reu0707.htm

Bene valete
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Subject: [novaroma] Re: provincial photos on line
From: ksterne@--------
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:05:29 -0000
--- In novaroma@--------, danielovi@-------- wrote:
> Salvete omnes.
> The provincial photos of the first NR meeting in Buenos Aires are
> already on line. You can see them at the provincial web site or at
> this URl :
>
http://personales.ciudad.com.ar/danielovillanueva/NovaRoma/reu0707.htm
>
> Bene valete
> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
> Propraetor provincialis Argentinae

Salve,

Very nice. It's good to see more and more face-to-face meetings of
cives all over the world.

Just one thing though, the spell checker for you site must be off.
The words are all funny.








Just kidding!

Vale,
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Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: The problems of the Late Republic-Augustus
From: Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion <rapax@-------->
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:55:03 +0300


Avete....
Through your post I want to thank to everybody who has answered
my question..
It was good to see that there are people thinking the way I do..but
anyway..here is
my humble view...
When an existing order becomes insufficient to provide necessary
sollutions for the
social or political problems,it should be changed or revised.But
because Rome had no
political order but it was a political order there was no such
flexibility.So,it was essential
for the well being of Rome to reject anything 'new'.Those who tried
to make any
reforms were put to death.Thus,the only persons who could create a
stir in the politics
were the ones who had less ties with the existing political
order.Since they could see
the reality of Rome from some distance they could change that reality.
In short I think Republic died by committing suicide..being too
rigid to change.
And I believe if all the Emperors could have followed the way of
Augustus Rome
could have survived much longer.But,unfortunately the Emperors
couldn't be
handpicked....that is the biggest disadvantage of a monarchy I guess..

Valete bene...

Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


>Salvete cives et amici,
>
>A monarchy is the most stable form of government. I believe if Augustus had
>not taken control and established the imperial authority then Rome would not
>of reached its full potential. If the republic was reinstated after the
>death of Caesar I see no reason why the squabbling and power struggles would
>of cased. Some new young general politician would continue the struggle over
>and over until empire would of fallen apart eventually from the perpetual
>cycle of civil wars. Augustus was needed, and he did a superb job at setting
>the example of a stable but massive empire. Definitely a blessing given the
>circumstances.
>
>
>"Quamquam cupido sis delictum ab sui crebro suum mater ab vitualis"
>"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"
>
>--
>Amulius Claudius Petrus
>Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
>Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
>Canada Orientalis Provincia
>
>Canada Orientalis Website:
>www.freehost.nu/members/canorien
>
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>
>
>
>
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Subject: [novaroma] Re: provincial photos on line
From: trog99@--------
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:52:52 -0000
---

Salve Luci Pompei:

Thanks for sharing the pics of your first provincial gathering. It's
nice to be able to put faces behind the Roman names we hear via email.
.

You are a wonderful Propraetor, Luci Pompei. May you keep well,
always, and may your provincia flourish.

.....Pompeia Cornelia

In novaroma@--------, danielovi@-------- wrote:
> Salvete omnes.
> The provincial photos of the first NR meeting in Buenos Aires are
> already on line. You can see them at the provincial web site or at
> this URl :
>
http://personales.ciudad.com.ar/danielovillanueva/NovaRoma/reu0707.htm
>
> Bene valete
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> Propraetor provincialis Argentinae




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Subject: Re: [novaroma] provincial photos on line
From: Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@-------->
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:06:27 -0700
Ave,

Thank you for posting the pics! They are truly excellent!

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

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>
> Salvete omnes.
> The provincial photos of the first NR meeting in Buenos Aires are
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> this URl :
> http://personales.ciudad.com.ar/danielovillanueva/NovaRoma/reu0707.htm
>
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