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Subject:	(Caesaria)Re: [novaroma] EDICTVM PROCONSVL CAL
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Sat, 01 Sep 2001 01:14:58 -0000

--- Salvete Pompeia et Omnes:

I have been most discourteous in failing to congratulate you on your
recent scribal appointment. I am confident that you will be an
appreciable asset to the staff of Proconsul California/Nevada Quintus
Fabius Maximus.

My best to you always.

Pompeia Cornelia Strabo

In novaroma@--------, PompeiaAntoniaCaesaria <europamoon7@--------> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Maximina Octavia <m--------q@--------> wrote:
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix wrote: Ave,Can this
> > be reposted without the HTML please?
> > I would really like to read it.
> > Vale,Sulla
> > Ave Sulla , So would I! If anyone should be able
> > to
> > read through HTML, you should. (LOL) I am not sure
> > how
> > this happened. Yahoo, I guess. I haven't had this
> > happen before. Sorry.
> > Maximina Octavia wrote:
> >
> > Ave Pompeia,Congratulations on your> appointment!
> > You
> > fill a very important position> and I am happy to
> > see
> > it filled by a woman.> I know that you will always
> > do
> > your> best for Nova Roma. I am honored to say that
> > I
> > know> from personal association with you that you
> > have
> > the> highest moral character and kindest> heart. We,
> > at Nova Roma, are lucky to have> someone like you
> > serve in California or anywhere for> that
> > matter.Best
> > wishes and again> Congratulations!> Vale, Maximina
> > Octavia
> >
>
> Salve Maximina,
>
> Thank you for your confidence and for the compliments.
> I hope I will fulfill my position to everyone's
> satisfaction and that I will be an asset to Roma.
>
> Vale,
>
> Pompeia Antonica Caesaria
> >
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Some responses
From:	"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@-------->
Date:	Sat, 01 Sep 2001 01:59:44 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@p...> wrote:
>
> (snipped)
>
> LSD: Yes Civies, Formosanus' Scribe included a nomination of
Formosanus as
> Propraetor in Vendia's application to become a Provincia!
> Formosanus, is this the REAL reason behind your latest cause? Is this
> nothing more than a self serving attempt to force the Senate into
appointing
> you as the Propraetor of Vendia? Is your name before the Senate at this
> moment?
> IF this is in fact true, then this sneaky attempt to force the
Senate's hand
> shows that you are unfit for the job.
>
> SAD: Let me recap. You have no evidence. You are not a Venedian. You
are not
> a Senator. This is not your business. I am coming across rude, and I
realize
> it, but I think that you are resorting here to a very low tactic, namely
> accusing a fellow citizen of the same thing you are doing.
>

DRUSUS: No evidence? The what is this?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaromaVizantia/message/946

No I am not a Vendian or Senator. I Am however a Propraetor. The
Actions of my fellow Propraetors affect the Dignitas of Nova Roma, and
my Provincia IS part of Nova Roma.

No, I don't consider your response rude, rather I commend you for
comming to the defense of your Pater.

Your Pater can settle this matter quickly. All he has to do is
announce that he has never been a canidate for the postion of
Governor. I'm sure the Senate will confirm his words.

> LSD: Formosanus, You have attempted to drive a wedge between the
"Veterans"
> and the "Newcomers" in your post, with it's lies that new citizens are
> excluded.
>
> SAD: Again, you are without evidence. All you have as a support are
> diliberate misinterpretations and distortions of Formosanus' words,
backed
> up by the reactions of the "usual suspects" who attack Formosanus no
matter
> what he says.

DRUSUS: I Am the evidence! I have not been excluded, though I am more
of a newcomer than your Pater. I have opposed some of the actions of
the "Vetrans" and they didn't see this as a reason to exclude me.

>
> LSD: You have repeated your calls to "strengthen the plebeian
institutions"
> All to often when you bought this subject up you have shown you would do
> this in a manner that would create distrust between the Orders.
> In the Past you have attempted to alienate the North American Civies
from
> the European Civies.
> Your "peaceful protests" consist of using slurs like "Homophobe" in your
> efforts to force our elected Magistrates to bend to your will.
> In Short you have shown that you have NO qualms about resorting to
stirring
> up class warfare to create a power base for yourself. Your past
actions have
> shown that you are unfit to be a Lictor, let alone to be preceded by
> Lictors.
>
> SAD: I find this an offensive and arrogant claim of yours. How low
can you
> go? You are ceaselessly attacking everything Formosanus is, and if
you knew
> him just a little better, you might not say these things about him.
If he is
> trying to alienate plebeians from patricians, then why is Senator
Merullus a
> friend of his? If he is trying to alienate Europaei from Americani,
then why
> is he an American citizen living in Venedia? If he is trying to create a
> base of power, don't you think that he would use different tactics?
Perhaps,
> tactics like the one you are using now.

DRUSUS: If Building a powerbase was my goal, I never would have made
that post. That post HURT me policitly. Unlike your Pater, I am well
aware that attacks have to be paid for sooner or later.

>
> LSD: I Am fed up with the divisions that your power lust, your need
to force
> your will on Nova Roma have created.
> I Am Calling for Marcus Apollonius Formosanus to resign his
citizenship from
> Nova Roma. I call on Formosanus to create his own "21st Century"
> Micronation of Libra Roma which he can control through whatever means he
> wishes.
>
> SAD: So, you offer an offensive accusation without evidence, filled with
> assumptions and attacks about Formosanus' character -- which should
not play
> a role in an ideological clash -- and then go on to pretend that you
know
> his every intention. You -- and all other opponents of his -- are
willfully
> omitting his work and enthusiasm in spreading Latin throughout NR,
as both
> head of the Sodalitas Latinitatis and the Schola Latina. You are
attacking
> an eminent, peace-loving, taoist scholar who is fluent in at least five
> languages, and with a cultural experience larger than most citizens
of Nova
> Roma. You are judging a person you don't have the slightest idea about.
>

I most certainly am NOT ignoring the good work that your Pater has
done on behalf of Nova Roma. I commend his work in the Soldalitas, his
work in Vendia, and the aid he has given his fellow citizens. Your
Pater has offten been an asset to Nova Roma. I could Not just look at
the positive things he has done. When I compared his good works for
Nova Roma to the things he has done that hurt us, I found that the bad
outweighed the good.

L. Sicinius Drusus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Some responses
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@-------->
Date:	Sat, 1 Sep 2001 04:11:09 +0100 (BST)

Salvete omnes,

Please forgive my ignorance and certainly forgive my
intrusion - I take no sides. However, I fail to
understand the problem of Formosanus' candidature or
any supposed candidature for Propraetor of Venedia
province. Am I missing something or just
misunderstanding the thread?

Valete,

Decimus Iunius Silanus.

LSD: Yes Civies, Formosanus' Scribe included a
nomination of
Formosanus as
Propraetor in Vendia's application to become a
Provincia!
Formosanus, is this the REAL reason behind your latest
cause? Is this
nothing more than a self serving attempt to force the
Senate into
appointing
you as the Propraetor of Vendia? Is your name before
the Senate at this
moment?
IF this is in fact true, then this sneaky attempt to
force the
Senate's hand
shows that you are unfit for the job.

SAD: Let me recap. You have no evidence. You are not a
Venedian. You
are not
a Senator. This is not your business. I am coming
across rude, and I
realize
it, but I think that you are resorting here to a very
low tactic, namely
accusing a fellow citizen of the same thing you are
doing.

DRUSUS: No evidence? The what is this?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaromaVizantia/message/946

No I am not a Vendian or Senator. I Am however a
Propraetor. The
Actions of my fellow Propraetors affect the Dignitas
of Nova Roma, and
my Provincia IS part of Nova Roma.

Your Pater can settle this matter quickly. All he has
to do is
announce that he has never been a canidate for the
postion of
Governor. I'm sure the Senate will confirm his words.

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Subject:	[novaroma] I'm A Bad American
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:41:46 -0400

Salvete;

This was recently forwarded to me by someone I love and respect very much,
and I agree with just about everything contained within it. Since my own
political philosophy has recently been the subject of indirect commentary by
certain individuals, I thought this might be appropriate to share here.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

---------------

Written by Ted Nugent, the rock singer and hunter/naturalist, upon
hearing that California Senators B. Boxer and D. Feinstein denounced
him for being a "gun owner" and a "Rock Star". This was his response
after telling the senators about his past contributions to children's
charities and scholarship foundations which have totaled more than
$13.7 million in the last 5 years!!

I'm a Bad American-this pretty much sums it up for me. I like big
trucks, big boats, big houses, and naturally, pretty women. I
believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some
midlevel governmental functionary with a bad comb-over who wants to
give it away to crack addicts squirting out babies.

I don't care about appearing compassionate. I think playing with toy
guns doesn't make you a killer. I believe ignoring your kids and
giving them Prozac might.

I think I'm doing better than the homeless. I don't think being a
minority makes you noble or victimized. I have the right not to be
tolerant of others because they are different, weird or make me mad.
This is my life to live, and not necessarily up to others
expectations. I know what SEX is and there are not varying degrees of
it. I don't celebrate Kwanzaa, but if you want to that's fine; I
just don't feel like everyone else should have to.

I believe that if you are selling me a Dairy Queen shake, a pack of
cigarettes, or hotel room, you do it in English. As of matter of
fact, if you are an American citizen you should speak English. My
uncles and forefathers shouldn't have had to die in vain so you can
leave the countries you were born in to come disrespect ours, and
make us bend to your will. Get over it.

I think the cops have every right to shoot your sorry butt if you're
running from them after they tell you to stop. If you can't
understand the word 'freeze' or 'stop' in English, see the previous
line. I don't use the excuse "it's for the children" as a shield for
unpopular opinions or actions.

I know how to count votes and I feel much safer letting a machine
with no political affiliation do a recount when needed. I know what
the definition of lying is, and it isn't based on the word "is"-ever.

I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you
qualify for any special loan programs, gov't sponsored bank loans,
etc., so you can open a hotel, 7-Eleven, trinket shop, or any thing
else, while the indigenous peoples can't get past a high school
education because they can't afford it. I didn't take the initiative
in inventing the Internet. I thought the Taco Bell dog was funny. I
want them to bring back safe and sane fireworks.

I believe no one ever died because of something Ozzy Osbourne, Ice-T
or Marilyn Manson sang, but that doesn't mean I want to listen to
that crap from someone else's car when I'm stopped at a red light.
But I respect your right to.

I think that being a student doesn't give you any more enlightenment
than working at Blockbuster or Jack In The Box. I don't want to eat
or drink anything with the words light, lite or fat-free on the
package.

Our soldiers did not go to some foreign country and risk their lives
in vain and defend our Constitution so that decades later you can
tell me it's a living document ever changing and is open to
interpretation. The guys who wrote it were light years ahead of
anyone today, and they meant what they said - now leave the document
alone, or there's going to be trouble.

I don't hate the rich. I help the poor. I know wrestling is fake.
I've never owned, or was, a slave, and a large percentage of our
forefathers weren't wealthy enough to own one either. Please stop
blaming me because some prior white people were idiots - and
remember, tons of white, Indian, Chinese, and other races have been
enslaved too - it was wrong for every one of them.

I believe a self-righteous liberal Democrat with a cause is more
dangerous than a Hell's Angel with an attitude.

I want to know exactly which church is it where the "Reverend" Jessie
Jackson preaches; and, what exactly is his job function. I own a
gun, you can own a gun, and any red blooded American should be
allowed to own a gun, but if you use it in a crime, then you will
serve the time.

I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and
continue to make more. If it makes you mad, then invent the next
operating system that's better and put your name on the building.
Ask your buddy that invented the Internet to help you.

I don't believe in hate crime legislation. Even suggesting it makes
me mad. You're telling me that someone who is a minority, gay,
disabled, another nationality, or otherwise different from the
mainstream of this country has more value as a human being that I do
as a white male. If someone kills anyone, I'd say that it's a hate
crime. We don't need more laws! Let's enforce the ones we already
have.

I think turkey bacon, turkey beef, turkey fake anything sucks. I
believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child-it takes a
parent with the guts to stand up to the kid and spank his butt and
say "NO!" when it's necessary to do so. I'll admit that the only
movie that ever made me cry was "Ole Yeller." I didn't realize Dr.
Seuss was a genius until I had a kid.

I will not be frowned upon or be looked down upon or be made to keep
silent because I have these beliefs and opinions. I thought this
country allowed me that right. I will not conform or compromise just
to keep from hurting somebody's feelings. I'm neither angry nor
disenfranchised, no matter how desperately the mainstream media would
like the world to believe otherwise.

Yes, I guess by some people's definition, I may be a bad American.
But, that's tough.

Ted Nugent


Subject:	[novaroma] Ted's Snippets
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Sat, 01 Sep 2001 03:59:02 -0000

Salve Consul Germanicus:

I enjoyed your forwarded posts regarding Ted's insights......thanks
for sharing.........

(((((((((((CAT SCRATCH FEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR)))))

Oh, whoops.............sorry, carried away again........

Po exits stage left hugging her hears after hearing the terrible
"gongggg" which prompted her to leave

Bye,
Po


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Some responses
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Sat, 1 Sep 2001 00:29:52 -0400

Salve,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Decimus Iunius Silanus [mailto:danedwardsuk@--------]
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:11 PM
>
> Please forgive my ignorance and certainly forgive my
> intrusion - I take no sides. However, I fail to
> understand the problem of Formosanus' candidature or
> any supposed candidature for Propraetor of Venedia
> province. Am I missing something or just
> misunderstanding the thread?

When taken in the context of Formosanus' established pattern of behavior--
in which he has consistently villified Nova Roma as a whole and described
our system of government as a "nightmarish bureaucracy"-- any indication
that he would aspire to the position of governor of the newly-created
province of Venedia would naturally be suspect. (Indeed-- one wonders why he
would aspire to the position of Aedile, given his contempt for our
Republic.)

As our governors are often seen as our "first line of contact", it naturally
behooves us to appoint individuals whose enthusiasm for Nova Roma is not
dulled by disdain for our organization. Surely an individual who has shown
outward contempt for Nova Roma and Her governmental policies and
institutions would make a poor spokesman for us in the position of governor.
I speak here only in the most general terms, of course.

Senate traditions of confidentiality demand that I am unable to comment
directly on whether or not Formosanus has petitioned the Senate to be
appointed to the post of governor of Venedia. He may, of course, confirm or
deny such rumors should he choose.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Roman Family.
From:	Antonius Corvus Septimius <antoniuscorvusseptimius@-------->
Date:	Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:35:56 -0700 (PDT)

Salve Fortunate,

Gratias multas! You have answered my
question. :-)

SEMPER FIDELIS
SEPTIMIUS

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Some responses
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Decimus=20Iunius=20Silanus?= <danedwardsuk@-------->
Date:	Sat, 1 Sep 2001 05:49:42 +0100 (BST)

Salve,

--- Flavius Vedius Germanicus
<germanicus@--------> wrote:

When taken in the context of Formosanus' established
pattern of behavior-- 
in which he has consistently villified Nova Roma as a
whole and described 
our system of government as a "nightmarish
bureaucracy"-- any indication 
that he would aspire to the position of governor of
the newly-created 
province of Venedia would naturally be suspect.
(Indeed-- one wonders why he 
would aspire to the position of Aedile, given his
contempt for our 
Republic.) 
 
As our governors are often seen as our "first line of
contact", it naturally 
behooves us to appoint individuals whose enthusiasm
for Nova Roma is not 
dulled by disdain for our organization. Surely an
individual who has shown 
outward contempt for Nova Roma and Her governmental
policies and 
institutions would make a poor spokesman for us in the
position of governor. 
I speak here only in the most general terms, of
course. 
 
Senate traditions of confidentiality demand that I am
unable to comment 
directly on whether or not Formosanus has petitioned
the Senate to be 
appointed to the post of governor of Venedia. He may,
of course, confirm or 
deny such rumors should he choose. 
 
Vale, 
 
Flavius Vedius Germanicus, 
Consul 
 

I understand. There is evidently some long standing
antagonism between various individuals within our res
publica, certainly going on for longer than I have
been a citizen. As a consequence I have little
understanding of the background of such 'conflicts'.
Thankyou for your explanation. I suppose as NR's
population continues to grow and we become even more
successful, concordia will become increasingly
difficult to maintain. Such is human nature
unfortunately.

Vale,

Decimus Iunius Silanus.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Roman Family.
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@-------->
Date:	Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:14:22 -0400

Salvete Antoni Corve et alii

Seemingly somewhat like Titus Labienus, I have been trying to raise my
daughters in a Nova Roman fashion, though I was unable to see them on a
daily basis, let alone raise them, for seven months this year.

The main Roman element that I bring to raising my children is Latin
language. At home, I use Latin with both my daughters. Usually, I identify
things, using pictures and household objects. I also say simple sentences
to them, mostly just phrases of praise and basic questions. My older
daughter is just over two and does repeat some of the words that she hears,
and count unum - duo - tria. She also knows other numbers up to duodecim
(12), but doesn't put them in the right order :(. I have heard her
spontaneously use Latin, other than to count, only once: she asked the Moon
what She was doing: Luna quid facis inquit My younger daughter? I don't
know -- she doesn't say anything in any language (that I know), although she
does comprehend at least a little bit of English. She is just about 13
months old.

I have some serious limitations in these exercises:

i My own competence is limited. I don't know conversational Latin. My
speech is an approximation of what Romans probably sounded like, according
to the rules of classical grammar and pronunciation that I have studied and
my own feel for language. I can only say so much, and say it so well, given
that noone outside of a classroom has been saying anything to me.
ii Contrary to what Ted Nugent and Flavius Vedius Germanicus may say, it
does indeed take a village to raise children. The village, in this case, is
the family of the two girls, on both parents' sides. Noone in this village,
except for me, uses Latin. The people with whom my children interact are
all speaking English with them, everyday all day.
iii The world around my children -- people in the marketplace, the
playground, on television, radio et cetera -- is overwhelmingly
English-speaking, and not at all Latin-speaking.

There are no easy solutions to these problems, at least that I can see. I
can continue to try, and in so doing, my own speech should improve, at least
a tiny bit. If I can make contact with at least one other Nova Roman family
within a short distance and befriend them, there could possibly be some
Latin presence within the village. And perhaps I can find some Latin
language media -- does anyone know of any children's video tapes in
classical Latin? I feel a little silly even asking, because I doubt that
such things could exist. How would such a thing be produced -- have Barney
use classical Latin to tell a group of children in Roman dress about
Hannibal, with colorful pictures of elephants climbing over cartoon
mountains to invade Italy?

Before the reconstruction of the house, I did show the household gods to my
older daughter and perform adoratio to them. Unfortunately, this has been
the sum total of the religious aspect of her upbringing to date. And it's
going to be an uphill battle in this area as well, because, again, all I
have are books, online resources and intuition to guide me in practicing
religio. How can I teach that of which I myself am so ignorant -- by
myself? Here again, the probability of success (which I equate with my
children learning enough about religio and understanding it to decide,
themselves, before they leave my household, whether they will practice it or
some other religion) is limited without face-to-face interaction with other
Nova Romans, or like-minded people.

As far as food preparation is concerned, I am no gourmet chef. I use a lot
of onions, garlic and pseudo-garum (Thai fish sauce), though, and, to that
extent, we eat Roman food. I was buying a breakfast cereal called "Ancient
Grains" for some time, but it's been discontinued. It was made of spelt and
millet, as well as some others. I used to sneak a little bit of that into
my older daughter's breakfast sometimes, but not much -- very nutritionally
poor, really. It's no wonder they don't make it anymore, I was probably the
last one buying it!

Above all, I try to be caring yet firm with my children. I think that it is
what every good Roman father sought to do.

Valete

C Marius Merullus

-----Original Message-----
From: labienus@-------- <labienus@-------->
To: novaroma@-------- <novaroma@-------->
Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Roman Family.

:Salve Antoni Corve et salvete omnes
:
:> Those of us that are living our lives within the Roman
:> culture (outside the confinds of the internet), must have an idea of
:> how important it is to respect our (spiritual or otherwise) ancestors.
:> In doing so, I would like to know how many of us are
:> raising our children with these beliefs. That is, if there are any
:> involved. If not, how do YOU go about expressing yourself in this
:> wonderful culture? And, (if asked) do you openly express your love
:> for our culture, including our gods? I humbly await your replies.
:
:I am raising my daughter in a fashion which I see as Nova Roman. I can't
raise
:her as a Roman, and, considering the ancient views about women, I really
:wouldn't want to. That said, I maintain a lararium at which I sacrifice
:incense to the Lares, Penates, manes of my ancestors, our patron Gods, and
the
:genius locus of my house on a fairly regular basis. Each year, we also
perform
:


Subject:	[novaroma] No Pax
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@-------->
Date:	Sat, 1 Sep 2001 06:54:18 +0200

M. Apollonius Formosanus omnibus Quiritibus S.P.D.

I am sorry to report that Sulla has decided not to accept
the corcordat of peace which I offered him several days
ago. As you will remember, I wanted to take advantage of
the fact it came out that he too wished to change the
problematic provisions of the name-change lex, as that was
the most important issue that had been separating us.

As he has decided not to take advantage of the offer of
peace which would have been so advantageous to him, to me,
to both of our gentes, and to Nova Roma as a whole, I must
now say the words that I deferred in the hope of being able
to make peace out of this situation:

Sulla himself became aware of the unsatisfactory nature of
the provisions that I have complained about for so long
even before the Lex was voted on. And yet he continued to
place his public "moral" authority behind it, publicly
silent about his de facto agreement with me. and the only
reason I can see for this is his desire to score points
against me and my inability to change it. No doubt he
intended to pull a rabbit out of the hat a few months from
now and take credit for it all, although it was his failure
to listen to me and many others previously that led to the
whole need for revision in the first place.

I shall be glad and relieved whoever eventually improves
our legislation successfully. But I very much regret that
even at the moment when we had both attained the same
approximate position in our minds on the issue that had
kept us apart so long, Sulla declined to work with me to
make peace. Even in agreement he refused to agree. In fact
he did not even write me a note to say he would not accept,
despite letters public and private, and it was only through
his gentiles that I was informed.

It is this sort of personal hostility which is very
damaging to the fabric of our society, I hate some of the
things Sulla has done and I shall always condemn them, but
I do not hate Sulla. I fear, though, that Sulla hates me -
personally. Which is too bad. A chance like this to make
peace will not come again for a long time, and it is a
waste.

I thank those who have gotten in touch with me privately,
and I am happy to continue our private dialogues and public
restraint. I invite anyone else more interested in peace
than vitriol and endless personal hostility to follow suit.

Valete!

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] No Pax
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@-------->
Date:	Sat, 01 Sep 2001 01:01:11 -0700

Ave Citizens of Nova Roma,

"M. Apollonius Formosanus" wrote:
>I am sorry to report that Sulla has decided not to accept
> the corcordat of peace which I offered him several days
> ago.

Sulla: I have just one thing to say in response to this. How can there
be peace between M. Apollonius and myself when he wants peace only on
his terms? Citizens, throughout my tenure as a magistrate of Nova Roma
two principles have guided me. First, service to the State. This is a
paramount duty for all Oath bearing magistrates to serve the State to
the best of their ability. Second, is the ability to compromise. Without
compromise our system of government will devolve into a
situation that existed in ancient Rome during the Consulship of C.
Iulius Caesar and M. Calpunius Bibulius. The Roman system of government
is built on the necessary foundation of compromise and cooperation. I
have tried my best to live up to these principles.

M. Apollonus
> Sulla himself became aware of the unsatisfactory nature of
> the provisions that I have complained about for so long
> even before the Lex was voted on. And yet he continued to
> place his public "moral" authority behind it, publicly
> silent about his de facto agreement with me. and the only
> reason I can see for this is his desire to score points
> against me and my inability to change it. No doubt he
> intended to pull a rabbit out of the hat a few months from
> now and take credit for it all, although it was his failure
> to listen to me and many others previously that led to the
> whole need for revision in the first place.

Sulla: How can there be peace when it is soley on the terms of M.
Apollonius and he makes statements like that. What kind of peace is
this? Please Citizens, before you condemn me for my conclusion, go
back and read his post on the ML (msg. 25524) and his subsequent emails
both within the NCRC (msg. 1) and on the Nova Roma ML (msg. 25654) or
the many many number of messages that M. Apollonius has sent in the
archieves, if he is the type of individual who will accept pax on any
compromising fashion? And honestly answer this question to yourself,
if a person who has always been willing to compromise is unwilling to
find a middle ground, why is that the case? Is it the person who is
willing to compromise or is it the other party? And I plan to pull no
rabbit from any hat :-)

Sulla: Citizens, I have tried mediation with M. Apollonius a number of
times. I have requested the services of respected Nova Romans to try to
accomplish this purpose. I have been told that they were unsuccessful.
Senator Titus Labienus was a mediator last year, and he informed me that
his talks were not successful, not because of my end. I even asked him
to try to continue them and he informed me that they were fruitless.

M. Apollonius:
> It is this sort of personal hostility which is very
> damaging to the fabric of our society, I hate some of the
> things Sulla has done and I shall always condemn them, but
> I do not hate Sulla. I fear, though, that Sulla hates me -
> personally. Which is too bad. A chance like this to make
> peace will not come again for a long time, and it is a
> waste.

Sulla: Earlier this year, Secunda Cornelia Valeria communicated with
him. I was informed that M. Apollonius viewed me as a threat to Nova
Roma and that my political powerbase must be destroyed. And this is a
man who doesn't hate? Citizens, read the archieves, go to the NRCR
list and view what M. Apollonius states there, and decide for yourself
is there anyway to have peace with M. Apollonius beyond his own rigid
terms?

Very Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix


Subject:	[novaroma] confirmation meeting forum fulvii
From:	"Manius Constantinus Serapio" <manius_constantinus_serapio@-------->
Date:	Sat, 01 Sep 2001 13:26:53 -0000

AVETE OMNES

I need a confirmation for the participation to the meeting of
Forum Fulvii by those who just wrote their agreement on the european
mailing list. Please, send it to me.

gratias vobis ago maximas

VALETE MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] confirmation meeting forum fulvii
From:	"Milly Jansen" <millys2@-------->
Date:	Sat, 01 Sep 2001 16:04:32 +0200

Salve Serapio!

I don't think it's a surprise to you...but ok, for the record, then.:-))
I hereby confirm my participation at the meeting at Forum Fulvii.

By the way, would it be a good idea to mail the propraetores once more so
they could kindly ask their cives to join as well?

Spem habeo res prospere evenit!
Goodluck, mi Serapio!

Optime vale,
Agrippina (Iulia Germanica)

>From: "Manius Constantinus Serapio"
><manius_constantinus_serapio@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] confirmation meeting forum fulvii
>Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 13:26:53 -0000
>
>AVETE OMNES
>
> I need a confirmation for the participation to the meeting of
>Forum Fulvii by those who just wrote their agreement on the european
>mailing list. Please, send it to me.
>
>gratias vobis ago maximas
>
>VALETE MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
>
>=======================================================
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>http://www.nritalia.f2s.com/forumfulvii
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] I'm A Bad American
From:	Fortunatus <labienus@-------->
Date:	Sat, 01 Sep 2001 11:18:43 -0500

Salvete

> Written by Ted Nugent,...

From Snopes.com:
"This essay appeared in the FreeRepublic.com on-line forum back in
September 2000 under the title "I Am a Bad Republican" (picking up title
changes and additions since then as it was forwarded around the
Internet), and the person who posted it there has taken credit for it in
a recent message in that same forum."

The message in which credit is taken can be found at:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b21fbab4b27.htm

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus
--
"The Earth is degenerating today. Bribery and corruption abound.
Children no longer obey their parents, every man wants to write a book,
and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching."
- Assyrian Tablet, c.2800 BC


Subject:	[novaroma] Announcement: Ludi Romani
From:	"M Arminius Maior" <m_arminius@-------->
Date:	Sat, 01 Sep 2001 13:38:36 -0300

Salvete, Quirites

I want to announce the first of four events, planned by the Aediles and Scribes, to remember the ancient Ludi Romani.

---------------------------------

Anthem for Nova Roma contest
Collegium Polyhymnia, of Sodalitas Musarum

In cooperation with the Musaea pro Tempore of the Collegium Polyhymniae
(Andrea Gladia Kyrene) of the Sodalitas Musarum, and its Coryphaeus (Sextus
Apollonius Draco), I, Marcus Arminius Maior, do hereby issue the edictum
that pronounces this contest opened, as a semi-official opener for the Ludi
Romani, which will be declared opened on September 5.

Its purpose: To select and present one of the entries of this contest to the Senatus Romanus as the anthem of Nova Roma. This selection will be made by M. Cornelius Scipio, T. Sertorius Albinus and M. Apollonius Formosanus, at the advice of the three organisers.

Its rules:
* Participants must be citizens of Nova Roma.
* Participants may only send in one entry.
* The language of the entry is free, as long as its author can appoint someone to translate it into another language understandible to the three organisers.
* Following files are accepted: *.doc, *.mp3, *.txt ; they may be no larger than 3 MB.
* The entry may not be longer than three A4 pages in arial 10 format
* The entry must be sent to the following three addresses:

m_arminius@-------- ;
hendrik.meuleman@-------- ; and
andrea_gladia@--------

* The entry must be sent in no later than September 15
* The winner shall be announced on September 17

Valete
Marcus Arminius Maior
Aedilis Plebis

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Roman Family.
From:	Antonius Corvus Septimius <antoniuscorvusseptimius@-------->
Date:	Sat, 1 Sep 2001 10:27:43 -0700 (PDT)

--- Gaius Marius Merullus <c_marius_m@-------->
wrote:
> Salvete Antoni Corve et alii
>
> Seemingly somewhat like Titus Labienus, I have been
> trying to raise my
> daughters in a Nova Roman fashion, though I was
> unable to see them on a
> daily basis, let alone raise them, for seven months
> this year.
>
> The main Roman element that I bring to raising my
> children is Latin
> language. At home, I use Latin with both my
> daughters. Usually, I identify
> things, using pictures and household objects. I
> also say simple sentences
> to them, mostly just phrases of praise and basic
> questions. My older
> daughter is just over two and does repeat some of
> the words that she hears,
> and count unum - duo - tria. She also knows other
> numbers up to duodecim
> (12), but doesn't put them in the right order :(. I
> have heard her
> spontaneously use Latin, other than to count, only
> once: she asked the Moon
> what She was doing: Luna quid facis inquit My
> younger daughter? I don't
> know -- she doesn't say anything in any language
> (that I know), although she
> does comprehend at least a little bit of English.
> She is just about 13
> months old.
>
> I have some serious limitations in these exercises:
>
> i My own competence is limited. I don't know
> conversational Latin. My
> speech is an approximation of what Romans probably
> sounded like, according
> to the rules of classical grammar and pronunciation
> that I have studied and
> my own feel for language. I can only say so much,
> and say it so well, given
> that noone outside of a classroom has been saying
> anything to me.
> ii Contrary to what Ted Nugent and Flavius Vedius
> Germanicus may say, it
> does indeed take a village to raise children. The
> village, in this case, is
> the family of the two girls, on both parents' sides.
> Noone in this village,
> except for me, uses Latin. The people with whom my
> children interact are
> all speaking English with them, everyday all day.
> iii The world around my children -- people in the
> marketplace, the
> playground, on television, radio et cetera -- is
> overwhelmingly
> English-speaking, and not at all Latin-speaking.
>
> There are no easy solutions to these problems, at
> least that I can see. I
> can continue to try, and in so doing, my own speech
> should improve, at least
> a tiny bit. If I can make contact with at least one
> other Nova Roman family
> within a short distance and befriend them, there
> could possibly be some
> Latin presence within the village. And perhaps I
> can find some Latin
> language media -- does anyone know of any children's
> video tapes in
> classical Latin? I feel a little silly even asking,
> because I doubt that
> such things could exist. How would such a thing be
> produced -- have Barney
> use classical Latin to tell a group of children in
> Roman dress about
> Hannibal, with colorful pictures of elephants
> climbing over cartoon
> mountains to invade Italy?
>
> Before the reconstruction of the house, I did show
> the household gods to my
> older daughter and perform adoratio to them.
> Unfortunately, this has been
> the sum total of the religious aspect of her
> upbringing to date. And it's
> going to be an uphill battle in this area as well,
> because, again, all I
> have are books, online resources and intuition to
> guide me in practicing
> religio. How can I teach that of which I myself am
> so ignorant -- by
> myself? Here again, the probability of success
> (which I equate with my
> children learning enough about religio and
> understanding it to decide,
> themselves, before they leave my household, whether
> they will practice it or
> some other religion) is limited without face-to-face
> interaction with other
> Nova Romans, or like-minded people.
>
> As far as food preparation is concerned, I am no
> gourmet chef. I use a lot
> of onions, garlic and pseudo-garum (Thai fish
> sauce), though, and, to that
> extent, we eat Roman food. I was buying a breakfast
> cereal called "Ancient
> Grains" for some time, but it's been discontinued.
> It was made of spelt and
> millet, as well as some others. I used to sneak a
> little bit of that into
> my older daughter's breakfast sometimes, but not
> much -- very nutritionally
> poor, really. It's no wonder they don't make it
> anymore, I was probably the
> last one buying it!
>
> Above all, I try to be caring yet firm with my
> children. I think that it is
> what every good Roman father sought to do.
>
> Valete
>
> C Marius Merullus
>

Salve Mari Merulle,

The love for your family is obviously at the
forefront of all of this. And not just an
interpretation of the Roman culture (which sometimes
takes prescidence
for some) that someone has read about, without at leat
trying to distance themselves from their current
cultural paradigms. I humbly wish you and your family
all the best.

Dii te ament,
A. Corvus Septimius Arloro

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] confirmation meeting forum fulvii
From:	=?iso-8859-1?B?WWFubiBRdely6Q==?= <yquere@-------->
Date:	Sat, 1 Sep 2001 20:13:00 +0200

Salvete Omnes

Can you remind me the date for this meeting ?
Ianus Querius Armoricus Lutecio
Propraetor Galliae

----- Original Message -----
From: Manius Constantinus Serapio <manius_constantinus_serapio@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 3:26 PM
Subject: [novaroma] confirmation meeting forum fulvii

> AVETE OMNES
>
> I need a confirmation for the participation to the meeting of
> Forum Fulvii by those who just wrote their agreement on the european
> mailing list. Please, send it to me.
>
> gratias vobis ago maximas
>
> VALETE MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
>
> =======================================================
> Meeting Forum Fulvii -24th, 25th, 26th May 2002-Italy-
> http://www.nritalia.f2s.com/forumfulvii
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] I'm A Bad American
From:	"Uriel Storm" <uriel@-------->
Date:	Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:21:26 -0500

Fortunatus, you read snopes too?
Yeha!
I love snopes.com, they're _the_ UL debunking source, in my opinion.

=^.^=

Uriel Storm
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AIM - PerfectBlueUriel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fortunatus" <labienus@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] I'm A Bad American

> Salvete
>
> > Written by Ted Nugent,...
>
>
> From Snopes.com:
> "This essay appeared in the FreeRepublic.com on-line forum back in
> September 2000 under the title "I Am a Bad Republican" (picking up title
> changes and additions since then as it was forwarded around the
> Internet), and the person who posted it there has taken credit for it in
> a recent message in that same forum."
>
> The message in which credit is taken can be found at:
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b21fbab4b27.htm
>
> Valete
> T Labienus Fortunatus
> --
> "The Earth is degenerating today. Bribery and corruption abound.
> Children no longer obey their parents, every man wants to write a book,
> and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching."
> - Assyrian Tablet, c.2800 BC
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: confirmation meeting forum fulvii
From:	"Manius Constantinus Serapio" <manius_constantinus_serapio@-------->
Date:	Sat, 01 Sep 2001 21:19:36 -0000

AVE MEA AGRIPPINA!

> I don't think it's a surprise to you...but ok, for the record,
then.:-))
> I hereby confirm my participation at the meeting at Forum Fulvii.

Yes, it is not a surprise! Thank you!

> By the way, would it be a good idea to mail the propraetores once
more so
> they could kindly ask their cives to join as well?

I think all calls are never enough! As you see, I am constantly
sending messages to the mailing lists to be sure to inform the
highest number of cives.
I will send another message to ProPraetores, as you propose!

> Goodluck, mi Serapio!
gratias maximas!

OPTIME VALE MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: confirmation meeting forum fulvii
From:	"Manius Constantinus Serapio" <manius_constantinus_serapio@-------->
Date:	Sat, 01 Sep 2001 21:25:32 -0000

AVE PROPRAETOR IANE QVERI ARMORICE LUTECIO

> Can you remind me the date for this meeting ?
> Ianus Querius Armoricus Lutecio
> Propraetor Galliae

You can find all informations on the expressly created website.

> > =======================================================
> > European Meeting Forum Fulvii -24th, 25th, 26th May 2002-Italy-
> > http://www.nritalia.f2s.com/forumfulvii

OPTIME VALE MANIVS-CONSTANTINVS-SERAPIO
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Subject:	[novaroma] File - NovaRomaList.txt
From:	novaroma@--------
Date:	1 Sep 2001 21:34:43 -0000

GUIDELINES FOR THE NOVA ROMA MAILING LIST

By Priscilla Vedia Serena
Curatrix Sermonem (List moderator)
(with thanks to Patricia Cassia for the original text)

This list is for you, and I see my role as trying to facilitate a place where we can all share information and get to know one another. These guidelines are open to change, and to your suggestions. Today the list has more than 350 people on it. As we've grown, we have had to adjust the way we communicate so as to make electronic "rooom" for everyone. This set of guidelines represents another effort in that direction. It is not a response to any one person or posting.

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XVI.Finally, to all of you who make the Nova Roma list a pleasant and informative place, thank you.


Subject:	[novaroma] Roman Family
From:	"Lucius Mauricius Procopious" <lespeterson@-------->
Date:	Sat, 1 Sep 2001 14:32:50 -0700

Salvete Omnes,

Sorry for the late response, hope this helps. I try to perform a daily lararium rite. When possible I include my sons. They gather around me and "adoratio" (Sp?) with me. They even try to mumble some of the Latin, as I attempt to use it for my rite. I try to tell them about the virtues when possible and if I can think of a good example from mythology to demonstrate a virtue, I use it. I also share as much information with them as I can. I keep a white board opposite the front door where we post messages to one another and I keep a Latin word with it's definition, and a quote which is often from Stoic philosophy. As I begin my pursuit of a degree in Classical languages in 10 days(Yay I got in.), I will enlist their aid in quizzing me and helping me with flash cards and any other help they are willing to give.
I'll second the praise for this thread. This is great. Keep the ideas comin'.
Lucius Mauricius Procopious
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Subject:	[novaroma] Roman Family - my response
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@-------->
Date:	Sat, 01 Sep 2001 14:57:22 -0700

Ave,

I have had enough time to really dwell into this inquiry. Before I
start my post let me applaud Antonius Corvus for posting such a thought
provoking question. It really makes on reflect on a number of different
levels. Thank you!

Well, unlike many of the citizens of Nova Roma I never really felt drawn
to Rome. At least not on a personal level. But, from the moment I saw
NR I felt drawn to Her. I have never felt that before in my entire
life. I really cant explain it. But, that feeling of being apart of a
community has kept me here.

Now, I see my Roman family in two different aspects. First off, would
be my immediate family. This consists of myself and Prima Cornelia
Pulchra. I love, respect and cherish her. Her thoughts and opinions
mean alot to me. Hopefully, this december, we will finally be married.
I don't think it will be a Roman wedding, but for me that is not the
point. The point will be that we will be married. She is my immediate
family and she is as much my partner as she is my support. I met her in
Nova Roma and that is something I will remember for the rest of my life.

However, there is another family that I care just as much for and that
is the Familiae Cornelia. I have learned so much from each one of
them. They have taught me whole dimensions of what it means to be a
head of a family. I care for each one of them and the relationship I
have them them I would not change in any way. I respect every single
one of them for the talents they bring, for the posts they send and for
the support they give. I can only hope that I can measure up to them
and never steer them wrong or dishonor the familiae.

I hope that one day in my life I will be able to meet every single
member of the Familiae Cornelia, to me that would be the highest honor I
could receive.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix