Subject:	[novaroma] Re: removal from group...
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Tue, 04 Sep 2001 23:49:34 -0000

---


Salve John:

I am indeed sorry that you have experienced a difficulty in the
processing of your citizenship application. As much as we endeavor to
be as efficient as possible, slip ups can occur. I have forwarded
your letter to the Censor, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix. I am sure he
would be happy to look into the matter for you.

Is their a chance, friend, that you would give us one last opportunity
to straighten this matter out?

And I am afraid, that it cannot be assumed that you do not "cut it".
Just an unfortunate slip in administration. Or a computer with a bad
case of indigestion :) If "cutting it" were the case, heaven knows, I
don't think I could be here!

Let's take a step back and see what the good Censor has to
say.......agreed? I hope you will. It sounds like Nova Roma would be
at a loss, eitherwise.

Bene vale, (Be well)
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo,
Scriba Curatrix Sermonen
NOVA ROMA



In novaroma@--------, John Osborne <john@m...> wrote:
> As I see it, I have been waiting for several months now to be
informed
> whether my application for citizenship has been approved, and I am
tired
> of waiting. I have unsubscribed from this "discussion" group and I
wish
> it to be known that I rescind my application for citizenship.
>
> As much as Nova Roma wishes to grow, it will have a terrible time
doing
> this if it is so slow and inefficient in responding to applications,
> either to accept or deny. I wish everyone of Nova Roma the best of
luck
> in their endeavors, but apparently I wasn't good enough to make the
cut.
>
> JMO
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] hello?
From:	"Lucius Aurelius" <lucius.aurelius@-------->
Date:	Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:54:11 +1100

Decimus Antoninius,

I managed to locate one at:
http://www.roman-empire.net/shop/empire-map-116.html

I can't comment on their quality, because I am about to order a couple
myself. Have any other NR cives had experience with the maps from this
source - a chap in Scotland I believe.

Lucius Aurelius Samarius
Durovernium, Australia Orientalis Superior
lucius.aurelius@--------
ICQ: 4895187

Praeterea censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.

----- Original Message -----
From: Decimus Antoninius Aquitanius <romalist2@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 7:59 AM
Subject: [novaroma] hello?


> Ave!
>
> I don't know if my posts to the email list are seen by
> anyone, but I was wondering if anyone knew where one
> could purchase a map of the Roman world (you know,
> largish, National Geographic type sized one).
>
> Valete!
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Invitatis: Provinciam Americaboreoccidentalis
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <julilla@-------->
Date:	Wed, 05 Sep 2001 03:02:27 -0000

It is with great pleasure that I invite my fellow cives provinciae
and throughout Nova Roma to view the new araneus Provincia
Americaboreoccidentalis: http://ambor.fws1.com

Visitors will learn a bit about our province, which institutions of
higher education offer courses relating to our mission, our cives
provinciam, and more.


cura et valeas,

@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna, Curatrix Araneae
|||| America Boreoccidentalis
ambor.fws1.com
@____@ a province of Nova Roma
|||| www.novaroma.org

Subject:	[novaroma] Email contact failures, was Re: removal from group...
From:	Steven - Piparskeggr <catamount_grange@-------->
Date:	Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:58:43 -0500

Avete Omnes,

"alexious@--------" wrote:
>
> Ave applicant,
>
> I understand very much your frustration [excision]
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Censor of Nova Roma
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: John Osborne john@--------
>
> As I see it, I have been waiting for several months
> [excision]
> JMO
>

A comment on emails listed as contacts for Paters and Maters, using
myself as an example: dejanews.com no longer exists as an independant
entity. Quite some time ago they stopped offering both email and free
webpage services. I had both for my Gens with them. I fear I may have
lost contacts due to my not paying attntion to this for some time and
not requesting my information be updated. My information, both personal
and gens contact, are up-to-date.

Cives, please check that the e-mail address you list for contacts is
current and one you check at least a couple times a week!

--
=========================================
In Amicus sub Fidelis
- Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
Cives et Paterfamilias
Quæstor, Legate et Dominus Sodalis
Domus Familias
http://www.geocities.com/gens_ulleria/index.html
File of my Poems and Songs
http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/Pip_music/files/
The Sodalis pro Coqueror et Coquus
http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

Noli mictare en muras ;-)
(Don't pee on the walls.)

Subject:	[novaroma] RESIGNATION
From:	Jeff Smith <dalmaticus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:10:26 -0700 (PDT)

Good morning everyone,

I am writing today, after a long period of thought and
introspection, to resign all my offices, my name, and
anything I may have in Nova Roma.

I joined Nova Roma due to an interest in history.
Instead I get constant fighting, insults directed at
me and everyone else (on line and off), and a lot of
immaturity.

I get insulted because I am a Christian, while ANYONE
who is not a Christian, including those who make up
their own religions are accepted.

I get insulted because I serve my country, and am
called a Fascist.

I would tolerate all of this and more if I thought
there was any productive value to it, but I see none.

The final straw was a few days ago, when someone wrote
in a post called Roman Family, that they ran
missionaries off by telling them proudly that they
will not accept blasphemy in their house.

Well, I won't allow blasphemy in mine either.

My apologies to Sulla and the other Cornelians, for
being one of the few points of sanity in Nova Roma.
Want to know why there are so many Cornelians? Visit
our email group, where there are no insults, only
constructive work towards building a better Nova Roma.

My apologies also to Q. Fabius Maximus, who I think is
trying to do something useful in bringing Christians
and pagans together. We will no grow closer so long
as the pontiffs remain (IMHO) paranoid and xenophobic
regarding Christians.

Last of all, my apologies to M M Audens. The
Sodalitas Militarium is, as far as I can tell, the
only part of Nova Roma where Rome is actually studied,
and not used as a weapon to club an unsuspecting
opponent. If there is any part of Nova Roma I will
ever return to, this is it.

Jeff Smith
(ex-Lucius Cornelius Dalmaticus)

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APO AE 09063-2839

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Subject:	[novaroma] The paranoid Pontifices of Nova Roma (was RESIGNATION)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:38:52 +0100

Salve amice

I understand your frustration, but as a Pontifex I had to bother you about
something you said on the main list of Nova Roma.
I don't know of any Pontifex who is anti-christian. In fact, one of our
Pontifices has recently resigned because he converted to Christianism, and
none of his coleagues criticized him either in private or in public.
I would then ask you that if you felt offended by some official of the
Religio Romana, either Pontifex, Flamen or minor priest, please present your
case to the Pontifex Maximus of Nova Roma. I'm sure that the Collegium
Pontificum has no interest on this kind of conflicts between people of
different Religiones.

Vale bene in pace deorum
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] RESIGNATION
From:	labienus@--------
Date:	Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:44:22 US/Central

Salvete omnes

I am sorry to see Dalmaticus go. I'm sorrier to see that I'm part of the
reason he's leaving. Normally, I'd tell him that privately, but my attempt to
do so bounced. Also, I feel I must correct a misperception that may be shared
by others.

> The final straw was a few days ago, when someone wrote
> in a post called Roman Family, that they ran
> missionaries off by telling them proudly that they
> will not accept blasphemy in their house.

In that same message, I also wrote that I don't make an issue of my religion at
my place of work. The implication I was trying to get across was that I don't
(or at least attempt not to) beat people up with my religion any more than I
tolerate being beaten up for it. I certainly didn't mean to imply that I feel
that there is no place for Christians in Nova Roma.

I apologize to anyone here who feels that I've insulted them or their religion
at any time. Aside from a few regrettable exceptions that prove that I'm
human, and therefore prone to error, any such insult was quite unintentional.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus

Subject:	RE: [novaroma] RESIGNATION
From:	"C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@-------->
Date:	Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:41:47 -0400

Salve,

I'm terribly sorry to see you go, as I've always found your posts to be
interesting and helpful. It is a sad fact that there are a few immature,
rude and generally unpleasant people lurking about here in NR, but that is
the case anywhere these days. I like to think they are in the minority,
however, and I'd ask you to give NR another chance. For every civies like
yourself we lose, the balance tilts a little more towards the aformentioned
idiots, and leaves NR a poorer place for us all. Give us another chance.

Vale,

A Fellow Soldier,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
SGT Adrian Gunn
A/1-182 IN


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Smith [mailto:dalmaticus@--------]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 2:10 AM
To: *NR-Main List
Subject: [novaroma] RESIGNATION


Good morning everyone,

I am writing today, after a long period of thought and
introspection, to resign all my offices, my name, and
anything I may have in Nova Roma.

I joined Nova Roma due to an interest in history.
Instead I get constant fighting, insults directed at
me and everyone else (on line and off), and a lot of
immaturity.

I get insulted because I am a Christian, while ANYONE
who is not a Christian, including those who make up
their own religions are accepted.

I get insulted because I serve my country, and am
called a Fascist.

I would tolerate all of this and more if I thought
there was any productive value to it, but I see none.

The final straw was a few days ago, when someone wrote
in a post called Roman Family, that they ran
missionaries off by telling them proudly that they
will not accept blasphemy in their house.

Well, I won't allow blasphemy in mine either.

My apologies to Sulla and the other Cornelians, for
being one of the few points of sanity in Nova Roma.
Want to know why there are so many Cornelians? Visit
our email group, where there are no insults, only
constructive work towards building a better Nova Roma.

My apologies also to Q. Fabius Maximus, who I think is
trying to do something useful in bringing Christians
and pagans together. We will no grow closer so long
as the pontiffs remain (IMHO) paranoid and xenophobic
regarding Christians.

Last of all, my apologies to M M Audens. The
Sodalitas Militarium is, as far as I can tell, the
only part of Nova Roma where Rome is actually studied,
and not used as a weapon to club an unsuspecting
opponent. If there is any part of Nova Roma I will
ever return to, this is it.

Jeff Smith
(ex-Lucius Cornelius Dalmaticus)

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] RESIGNATION
From:	QFabiusMaxmi@--------
Date:	Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:16:38 EDT

I get insulted because I am a Christian, while ANYONE
who is not a Christian, including those who make up
their own religions are accepted.

I get insulted because I serve my country, and am
called a Fascist.

Salvete!
On the first offense mentioned by Cornelius I read Titius Labienus
Fortunatus comments and frankly agreed with them. Pushy missionaries are a
fact of life in the United States, and often must be driven off doorsteps
with threats. The fastest way to get rid of them is to say you a pagan
worshiping the Romo-Grecho pantheon. There isn't much to say to that, other
then the worshipper is damned and then be on their way. Certainly Tribune
Labienus was not referring to any Nova Roman Christians. I saw nothing in it
that would cause NR Christians to think they were being singled out.

The second statement disturbs me more. Rome can be considered fascist during
the Principate and Dominate periods, but not the republic.
But for someone to call a US serving soldier "fascist" baffles the Hades out
me.
The United States uses a volunteer army, unlike Europe, which still practices
the Reserve
system. Which practice is fascist? Also, if you have ever been in the US
armed forces, you
know that you are instrument of the politicians decisions. You do not
question policy, you simply carry it out. In fact one of the few times the
government allowed the soldiers to question policy was the early period of
the American Civil War, also a volunteer army, and it was a disaster.
Since citizenship in the US is rather treasured, many US soldiers see
themselves akin to Roman soldiers, so they study them and their history.
Just because they have such an interest does not make them "fascists." This
practice must stop.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Subject:	[novaroma] NR Can Occ list - anybody home?
From:	burdigalus@--------
Date:	Wed, 05 Sep 2001 14:42:37 -0000

Salvete!
I have been trying to get in touch with the governor of Canada
Occidentalis since I received my citizenship a short time ago. So far
I've had no success and I see no new posts on the list for the
province. Is Canada Occidentalis still an active province in Nova
Roma? Does anybody have any information on this province?

Valete,
G. Etcheverius Burdigalus

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: RESIGNATION
From:	radams36@--------
Date:	Wed, 05 Sep 2001 16:39:43 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, Jeff Smith <dalmaticus@j...> wrote:
> Good morning everyone,
>
> I am writing today, after a long period of thought and
> introspection, to resign all my offices, my name, and
> anything I may have in Nova Roma.
>
> I joined Nova Roma due to an interest in history.
> Instead I get constant fighting, insults directed at
> me and everyone else (on line and off), and a lot of
> immaturity.
>
> I get insulted because I am a Christian, while ANYONE
> who is not a Christian, including those who make up
> their own religions are accepted.
>
> I get insulted because I serve my country, and am
> called a Fascist.
>
> I would tolerate all of this and more if I thought
> there was any productive value to it, but I see none.
>
> The final straw was a few days ago, when someone wrote
> in a post called Roman Family, that they ran
> missionaries off by telling them proudly that they
> will not accept blasphemy in their house.
>
> Well, I won't allow blasphemy in mine either.
>
> My apologies to Sulla and the other Cornelians, for
> being one of the few points of sanity in Nova Roma.
> Want to know why there are so many Cornelians? Visit
> our email group, where there are no insults, only
> constructive work towards building a better Nova Roma.
>
> My apologies also to Q. Fabius Maximus, who I think is
> trying to do something useful in bringing Christians
> and pagans together. We will no grow closer so long
> as the pontiffs remain (IMHO) paranoid and xenophobic
> regarding Christians.
>
> Last of all, my apologies to M M Audens. The
> Sodalitas Militarium is, as far as I can tell, the
> only part of Nova Roma where Rome is actually studied,
> and not used as a weapon to club an unsuspecting
> opponent. If there is any part of Nova Roma I will
> ever return to, this is it.
>
> Jeff Smith
> (ex-Lucius Cornelius Dalmaticus)
>
> =====
> JEFFREY C. SMITH
> HQ USAREUR/7A
> CMR 420, BOX 2839
> APO AE 09063-2839
>
> "Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies out of
the trunk." -- anonymous
>
Salvete, Omnes.

This loss to Nova Roma is indeed regrettable. I have found most of
the posts here to be respectful towards religions outside the Religio
Romana, but not all. I've always respected the religious beliefs of
others, and I expect the same in return. I am satisfied with that
usually being the case here. Still, for those few who are
disrespectful towards other religions, you might want to ask yourself
if that attitude does credit to Nova Roma, your gens, and yourself.
An obvious, but good, rule of thumb is to ask how you would feel if
the statement you are about to make was made about your own religion
or lifestyle. Words like 'blasphemy' and 'fascist' (and,
apparently, 'oligarchy') are very emotionally charged and should be
used carefully.

I came here for the same reason as Jeff/Dalmaticus, to share an
interest in Rome, particularly Roman history. For those who post
information on Roman history, customs, and the like, I am grateful
and appreciative. Some other things come with the package, of course,
including discussions of the Religio and of political matters. I have
no problem with this in general, although I often find the sometimes
extensive political infighting to be alternately tedious and amusing.
Still, I don't see how the political issues can realistically be
moved to a different group (besides, some of them do interest me for
one reason or another), so I simply accept this. Discussions of the
Religio, or of religion in general, can afford us genuine insight
into different belief systems, which I find to be a positive thing.
Ultimately, though, more historical and cultural discussions would be
a good thing to aspire to, I believe, along with a generally more
cordial and friendly tone towards each other.

Ultimately, I am still enjoying my new citizenship and the list,
although I think Jeff/Dalmaticus does make some points that we all
might want to think over and ponder. He is quite right that there are
many citizens here, like Sulla and Fabius, who are unfailingly
helpful and considerate - citizens we can all look to for an example
and who help keep the list a worthwhile one. Nova Roma is a good
place to be, but I think it can be better if we all come together in
a more fraternal, accepting, and inquisitive spirit.

Rufus Iulius Palaeologus

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] RESIGNATION
From:	Antonius Corvus Septimius <antoniuscorvusseptimius@-------->
Date:	Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:08:28 -0700 (PDT)

VALE

Septimius Arloro

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Subject:	[novaroma] Your Decision
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:37:58 -0400 (EDT)

Lt.Col. Jeffery Smith;

Sir;

(special note--I am sending this message not to you personnally sir,
because your personnel E-Mail address has been discontinued, and so to
all addresses that I know you have been involved with in the past ii the
hopes that one avenue will reach you. MMA)

I beg your leave to present to you my regrets in the execution of the
necessity of your decision as you see it. I, in no way, wish by copy of
this message to diminish your determination on this course of action,
but rather to make you aware of my great regret at this action of
necessity on your part, and the feeling of loss on my own.

You sir, have been a voice of reason in the Militarium and in Nova Roma,
and I have been honored to call you a friend and colleague. You have
helped me many times and because of your friendship and assistance the
Militarium has grown into an entity that has some semblance of my
original views. For that effort you have my gratitude and appreciation.
Your efforts as Legatus Auxila, have been very significant, and of great
value to those of the Militarium membership.

My most sincere thanks for you kind words in your departure note. I am
sure other institutions within Nova Roma are also involved in working
out the bugs to be effective towards the Citizens as well, even if they
have not yet been more active.

I very much regret sir, this decision of yours and I would hope that I
could persuade you of mine and the Militarium's desire to retain you in
some manner or another. Would you consider being a member of the
Militarium's Associate List?

Believe me, I understand your frustration fully as a Christian myself,
however, I beg your indulgence to point out that those who are with you
here in the Sodalitus Militarium value you greatly, both in your abiity,
your service, your submissions to this list and for your reasonable and
balanced attitude and ideas. I have myself often wished that I could
simply just involve myself in the Miitarium, but other Citizens , have
placed me in a position to represent them and I feel a responsibility to
do so. Likewise, in my humbe view, you have been given a responsibility
to a smaller group, in an area which you have indicated an interest, and
in your departure honored greatly with your praises. Since you do not
have the ties, to the Senate and to aprovince that I do, I would ask
that you reconsider your resignation to this extent. Certainly, if you
wish to depart from the Main List, and the other associations where you
see little value, that is your decision to make. If you wish to express
your frustration to those who have insulted and criticised you, that is
your decision to make. I have done so in the past, and will probably do
so again as I have seen or will see the necessity.

However, my friend (I hope I may still use that honorific with you) I
ask you these questions. Do you think it fair to lump those who have
been your friends and colleagues with those who have harried you? Do
you think it fair to deprive we, who value and appreciate you, of your
presence, because others do not have the wit to see your worth??
Lastly, I know you for a man of honor, and one who places his word high
above the determination of most other of man's attributes. Do you think
it fair to leave your position here in Militarium, where your interests,
your skills and your views are so very important to us and to the
Sodalitas that you have asked to be a part of, simply because of the
stupidity and arrogance of some on the NR Main List (and others
associated with NR) who are clearly not on the same wavelength, as we
are????

If, as you have indicated sir, I have any worth in your eyes at all, I
would ask you to consider those above questions in the light of mine and
the Militarium's respect and appreciation of you and your involvement to
date. You far outrank me sir, in your military endeavors and
activities, and it may well be said that I (as a mere Chief Warrant
Officer ret.) do not understand the finer points of being a real
gentleman. But I do know what I like, and I do know what I want, and I
do know what I value. In closing, my friend, what I want, like and
value is yourself as the Legatus Auxila in the Sodalitas Militarium, and
a member of my Senior Staff, to keep my "sorry butt" in line and out of
trouble. I most sincerely hope, that I may give you pause to reconsider
your action and return, if not to those who do not appreciate you, at
least to those who have proven that they do.

Respectfully and With the Greatest of Regrets for the Present and Hopes
for the Future;

Marcus Minucius Audens
Praefectus Castorum
Sodalitas Militarium
and
(hopefully still a friend)

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): Nonis Septembris (September 5th)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:30:37 +0100

Salvete omnes

This is one of the dies comitiales (C), when committees of citizens can vote
on political or criminal matters.

Today is the first day of the Ludi Romani or Ludi Magni, the games in honour
of Iuppiter Optimus Maximus. These games were founded by king Tarquin the
Elder. The games were originally celebrated extraordinarily on September 13
only, i.e. on the aniversary of Iuppiter's temple on the Capitoline Hill.
These were votive Games linked to the celebration of triumphal processions
that culminated precisely at Iuppiter's temple. By at least 366 BC the Ludi
Romani had become annual games. The games were gradually expanded in both
ways and ultimately occupied half the month by the time of the Principate.
By the later republic they comprised already 10 days, reaching 15 days
(September 5-19) by the time of Julius Caesar, with an extra 16th day
(September 4) being added upon Caesar's death in his honour.
The festival is organised by the Curules Aediles. A description is provided
by Dionysius of Halicarnassus (Antiquities of Rome, 7.72 seq.). The games
start with a solemn procession from the Capitol to the Circus Maximus. The
procession consists on a parade of cavalry and infantry, bigae and
quadrigae, athletes, armed dansers organised by age, music players, choirs
dressed as Sileni and Satyrs mimicking a Dionysian parade. Vases to burn
incense are carried, as well as vases of gold and silver brought from the
temples for the occasion. The statues of the Gods (Iuppiter, Iuno, Minerva,
Saturnus, Ops, Themis, Latona, Parcae, Mnemosyne, Muses, Graces, Hercules,
Aesculapius, Castor and Pollux and others) come next, with the sacrificial
animals closing the procession. At the Circus Maximus, a sacrifice is
offered to Iuppiter Optimus Maximus. With the Consuls presiding, the priests
after washing their hands purify the oxen with clear water and sprinkle them
with mola salsa (Dionysius probably forgot the wine and the knife...); they
then order the assistants to sacrifice. The victim, still standing, is
struck on the temple with a club and falls on the sacrificial knife held
ready. After it is flayed and cut up, a piece from each of the innards and
of each limb is sprinkled with mola salsa and carried as a first-offering in
baskets to the officiating priests, who put them on altars, kindled fires
beneath, and pour wine over them as they are burning.
After these ceremonies the games start, consisting of assorted chariot
races, gymnastic tournaments and theatrical performances.
(The curious about the procedures of Roman sacrifice can find more
information about roman sacrifice at
http://www.novaroma.org/religio_romana/DomesticSacrificeTemplate.html
and
http://www.novaroma.org/religio_romana/posture.html
)

Today is also the aniversary of the dedication of a temple of Iuppiter
Stator, dedicated in 146 BC by Q. Caecilius Metellus Macedonicus. In front
of this temple Metellus set up a row of equestrian statues of Alexander's
generals, made by Lysippus.

The month of September is sacred to Vulcan.

Dii vos bene ament,
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex

Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): Correction of Nonis Septembris (September 5th)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:34:16 +0100

Salvete omnes

Sorry for the incorrection. Today is a dies fastus (F) and not a dies
comitialis (C).

Optime valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] NR Can Occ list - anybody home?
From:	"Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa" <vipsaniusagrippa@-------->
Date:	Wed, 05 Sep 2001 12:37:19 -0600

>Salvete!
> I have been trying to get in touch with the governor of Canada
>Occidentalis since I received my citizenship a short time ago. So far
>I've had no success and I see no new posts on the list for the
>province. Is Canada Occidentalis still an active province in Nova
>Roma? Does anybody have any information on this province?
>
>Valete,
>G. Etcheverius Burdigalus


The last I had heard, Propraetor Sertorius was going through some personal
problems and would be out of contact for a while. If I am not mistaken that
would have been in late June or early July. We are still an active
province, or as active as one can be without an governor. If you have a
questions please feel free to contact me, as I am the cornicularius for the
province (special assistant).

C. Vipsanius Agrippa


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] RESIGNATION
From:	PompeiaAntoniaCaesaria <europamoon7@-------->
Date:	Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:36:33 -0700 (PDT)

Salve,

Was there supposed to be a message here?


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] RESIGNATION
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gaius=20Quirinus=20Caesar?= <gaius_quirinus_caesar@-------->
Date:	Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:12:52 +0200 (CEST)

Salve Luci Corneli,
yes, Luci Corneli, because for all that had reply your
post You are still him and i think that now you are in
mistake. I don't know You and You don't know me, but
listen a moment: if You will resign You are beaten
from them, but if You remain they must understan that
you are stronger than theme and a day they will be
punished by someone!
About the Fascist attitude of you patriottism: this is
a Neocomunist reply! The same rome had a voluntary
army until Caius Marius.


(Sorry for my terrible english so, isn't my language!)

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Your Decision
From:	burdigalus@--------
Date:	Wed, 05 Sep 2001 19:50:09 -0000

Gaius Etcheverius Burdigalus Omnes SPD

Salvete!

This is an extremely well written email on a subject that should
be of great concern to all civis.
When we lose a person of the stature of Lt. Col. Jeffery Smith we
have lost a great deal as individuals and as a micro-nation. For
those of you not familiar with the military let me explain a
something: You do not reach the rank of Lt. Colonel automatically
with seniority. It is a rank that is earned by dedication, the
ability to reason under extremely trying circumstances, education
(most military leaders that I know also hold masters degrees or
better in a variety of subjects), class (the ability to retain your
personal dignity when all around you are failing and
accusing),courage (both physical and moral), integrity and the
ability to lead people who are extremely close-knit, and who demand
more from their leaders than they expect from themselves and are at
all times absolutely unwilling to suffer the rule of idiots. These
people are not fascist. These people are those who stand between the
the real fascists of the world and you. Don't kid yourself and think
that the world isn't that way anymore because the vast majority of it
is. The peace and prosperity we enjoy in the west is a condition most
on this planet cannot hope to enjoy for generations yet to come.
Those few (hopefully no more than one or two)jackasses who have
accused this man of fascism I direct this to you: you should be
ashamed of your behaviour and yourselves. You accusers are living
without honour, without integrity and without honesty. Until you
develop the courage to step up to the line you aren't worth listening
to.
I have been on this list less than two weeks and I am very
disappointed with the content of the majority of messages in here.
This list seems to be monopolized not by those who want to achieve
something real and valuable, but by those who have appointed
themselves the concience of Nova Roma and attempt at every turn to
tear down what has been built and prevent the building of anything
new. These people are taking advantage of the anonymity of this list
to satisfy their own overdeveloped egos by destroying what is here
but lack the courage and the integrity to try to make this a better
place by initiating something positive or building something new for
the community.
To those of you on this list who are trying to achieve the goals of
Nova Roma, my sincerest apologies for this outburst. It is meant not
for you but for those who would tear you and what you have built
down.

Valete!
G. Etcheverius Burdigalus


--- In novaroma@--------, jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
> Lt.Col. Jeffery Smith;
>
> Sir;
>
> (special note--I am sending this message not to you personnally sir,
> because your personnel E-Mail address has been discontinued, and so
to
> all addresses that I know you have been involved with in the past
ii the
> hopes that one avenue will reach you. MMA)
>
> I beg your leave to present to you my regrets in the execution of
the
> necessity of your decision as you see it. I, in no way, wish by
copy of
> this message to diminish your determination on this course of
action,
> but rather to make you aware of my great regret at this action of
> necessity on your part, and the feeling of loss on my own.
>
> You sir, have been a voice of reason in the Militarium and in Nova
Roma,
> and I have been honored to call you a friend and colleague. You
have
> helped me many times and because of your friendship and assistance
the
> Militarium has grown into an entity that has some semblance of my
> original views. For that effort you have my gratitude and
appreciation.
> Your efforts as Legatus Auxila, have been very significant, and of
great
> value to those of the Militarium membership.
>
> My most sincere thanks for you kind words in your departure note.
I am
> sure other institutions within Nova Roma are also involved in
working
> out the bugs to be effective towards the Citizens as well, even if
they
> have not yet been more active.
>
> I very much regret sir, this decision of yours and I would hope
that I
> could persuade you of mine and the Militarium's desire to retain
you in
> some manner or another. Would you consider being a member of the
> Militarium's Associate List?
>
> Believe me, I understand your frustration fully as a Christian
myself,
> however, I beg your indulgence to point out that those who are with
you
> here in the Sodalitus Militarium value you greatly, both in your
abiity,
> your service, your submissions to this list and for your reasonable
and
> balanced attitude and ideas. I have myself often wished that I
could
> simply just involve myself in the Miitarium, but other Citizens ,
have
> placed me in a position to represent them and I feel a
responsibility to
> do so. Likewise, in my humbe view, you have been given a
responsibility
> to a smaller group, in an area which you have indicated an
interest, and
> in your departure honored greatly with your praises. Since you do
not
> have the ties, to the Senate and to aprovince that I do, I would ask
> that you reconsider your resignation to this extent. Certainly, if
you
> wish to depart from the Main List, and the other associations where
you
> see little value, that is your decision to make. If you wish to
express
> your frustration to those who have insulted and criticised you,
that is
> your decision to make. I have done so in the past, and will
probably do
> so again as I have seen or will see the necessity.
>
> However, my friend (I hope I may still use that honorific with you)
I
> ask you these questions. Do you think it fair to lump those who
have
> been your friends and colleagues with those who have harried you?
Do
> you think it fair to deprive we, who value and appreciate you, of
your
> presence, because others do not have the wit to see your worth??
> Lastly, I know you for a man of honor, and one who places his word
high
> above the determination of most other of man's attributes. Do you
think
> it fair to leave your position here in Militarium, where your
interests,
> your skills and your views are so very important to us and to the
> Sodalitas that you have asked to be a part of, simply because of the
> stupidity and arrogance of some on the NR Main List (and others
> associated with NR) who are clearly not on the same wavelength, as
we
> are????
>
> If, as you have indicated sir, I have any worth in your eyes at
all, I
> would ask you to consider those above questions in the light of
mine and
> the Militarium's respect and appreciation of you and your
involvement to
> date. You far outrank me sir, in your military endeavors and
> activities, and it may well be said that I (as a mere Chief Warrant
> Officer ret.) do not understand the finer points of being a real
> gentleman. But I do know what I like, and I do know what I want,
and I
> do know what I value. In closing, my friend, what I want, like and
> value is yourself as the Legatus Auxila in the Sodalitas
Militarium, and
> a member of my Senior Staff, to keep my "sorry butt" in line and
out of
> trouble. I most sincerely hope, that I may give you pause to
reconsider
> your action and return, if not to those who do not appreciate you,
at
> least to those who have proven that they do.
>
> Respectfully and With the Greatest of Regrets for the Present and
Hopes
> for the Future;
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
> Praefectus Castorum
> Sodalitas Militarium
> and
> (hopefully still a friend)
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] ADMIN NOTE: <Re: RESIGNATION>
From:	justicecmo@--------
Date:	Wed, 05 Sep 2001 20:36:28 -0000

Salve,

Jeff Smith unsubscribed from the Main List moments after sending his
resignation. He is a fine man and I am sure he would be touched and,
hopefully, swayed by the kind words of encouragement he is receiving
here. He, however, is no longer a member of the List and therefore
is not *receiving* these wonderful messages.

I would highly suggest that anyone who has not done so, forward their
words directly to Jeff at "dalmaticus@--------". That was the
public e-mail address he used here and it may still be active.

Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
Curatrix Sermonis

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] ADMIN NOTE: <Re: RESIGNATION>
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:07:10 -0500 (CDT)

Salve Priscilla Vedia,

> I would highly suggest that anyone who has not done so, forward their
> words directly to Jeff at "dalmaticus@--------". That was the
> public e-mail address he used here and it may still be active.

He has also publicly used the address JSmithCSA@-------- I sent mail
there a few hours ago and it didn't bounce, so it appears to still be
active.

Vale, O.

--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneum et Senator

"... one of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that,
lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of
their C programs." -- Robert Firth

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: RESIGNATION
From:	"Quintus Quinctilius Varus Galili" <frederic.bs@-------->
Date:	Wed, 05 Sep 2001 20:41:44 -0000

Salve Lucius Cornelius Dalmaticus

I regret your exit from Novaroma. But I understand you. I am so
sorry! It participates a big shame for Nova Roma to lose somebody for
such reasons.

Vale bene!
Quintus Quinctilius Varus Galili
Legatus Germaniae Superioris

old Warrant Officer/Quartermaster
from the Swiss Army, Staff of Supplie Regiment



--- In novaroma@--------, Jeff Smith <dalmaticus@j...> wrote:
> Good morning everyone,
>
> I am writing today, after a long period of thought and
> introspection, to resign all my offices, my name, and
> anything I may have in Nova Roma.
>
> I joined Nova Roma due to an interest in history.
> Instead I get constant fighting, insults directed at
> me and everyone else (on line and off), and a lot of
> immaturity.
>
> I get insulted because I am a Christian, while ANYONE
> who is not a Christian, including those who make up
> their own religions are accepted.
>
> I get insulted because I serve my country, and am
> called a Fascist.
>
> I would tolerate all of this and more if I thought
> there was any productive value to it, but I see none.
>
> The final straw was a few days ago, when someone wrote
> in a post called Roman Family, that they ran
> missionaries off by telling them proudly that they
> will not accept blasphemy in their house.
>
> Well, I won't allow blasphemy in mine either.
>
> My apologies to Sulla and the other Cornelians, for
> being one of the few points of sanity in Nova Roma.
> Want to know why there are so many Cornelians? Visit
> our email group, where there are no insults, only
> constructive work towards building a better Nova Roma.
>
> My apologies also to Q. Fabius Maximus, who I think is
> trying to do something useful in bringing Christians
> and pagans together. We will no grow closer so long
> as the pontiffs remain (IMHO) paranoid and xenophobic
> regarding Christians.
>
> Last of all, my apologies to M M Audens. The
> Sodalitas Militarium is, as far as I can tell, the
> only part of Nova Roma where Rome is actually studied,
> and not used as a weapon to club an unsuspecting
> opponent. If there is any part of Nova Roma I will
> ever return to, this is it.
>
> Jeff Smith
> (ex-Lucius Cornelius Dalmaticus)
>
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