Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Land Fund
From:	Daniel Dreesbach <stakor2000@-------->
Date:	Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:56:58 -0700 (PDT)

Thank you.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@--------> wrote: Ave,

The land fund has been in existence. Anyone can view the budget by
going to www.novaroma.org/main.html and click the Aerium Saturni. (sp.)

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

Daniel Dreesbach wrote:
>
> I was wondering what ever happened to the land fund? Will a portion
> of the membership fees be used to regularly set aside to a
> land/property fund? If this has not been considered perhaps it
> could be.
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] roman coins
From:	tekoamxai@--------
Date:	Sat, 08 Sep 2001 00:54:09 -0000

salvete!
regarding the question about the roman coins w/sexual
postions on them-i read (can't remember where-
possibly a book about pompeii) the brothels
used these coins. you would go to the brothel-
state your preferences-and recieve a coin to give
to the prostitute. she would provide the service
depicted on the coin.
drusilla cassia titiana

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: A Healthy Organization
From:	radams36@--------
Date:	Sat, 08 Sep 2001 01:44:43 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, labienus@t... wrote:
> Salvete
>
> > I don't know all the details, but if you're referring to the
incident
> > that I believe you are, the resigning citizen's problem was with
his
> > religion being referred to as 'blasphemy', specifically.
>
> I have only just this minute, upon reading the text quoted above,
understood
> why my post might be seen as intolerant and offensive.
>
> Neither I nor my wife has ever felt that the Christian religion is,
in and of
> itself, blasphemous. When my wife made her statement, she was
referring simply
> to the fact that, sooner or later, any missionary would eventually
say
> something that we would consider blasphemous and, therefore,
offensive. My
> wife is the sort of person who would quite happily have discussed
religious
> views with the uninvited visitors in our back yard--where such
things as
> suggestions that we were deluded by demons wouldn't occur under our
roof--if
> she had had the time to do so. However, she didn't have that
luxury, and so
> turned them away.
>
> Again, neither of us believes that Christianity is blasphemous in
its mere
> existence. Likewise, we do not feel that Christians are an affront
to our
> religion by simply existing, either. Blasphemy is an act committed
by
> individuals, rather than being a necessary attribute of an
institution or a
> group.
>
> I apologize to anyone who was in any way hurt by my inadequate
explanation of
> my opinions.
>
> Valete
> T Labienus Fortunatus

Salvete!

I salute you, Fortunatus, for your exemplary tolerance and
forbearance. To make things clear, I make and made no judgment of
your earlier post, as I never saw it, my post was purely in response
to the mention in the resignation. Your attitude and courtesy are a
credit to you, your Gens, and Nova Roma! I hope MY earlier post was
not interpreted as taking you to task, as that was certainly not my
intent.

Valete!

Rufus Iulius Palaeologus

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: roman coins
From:	radams36@--------
Date:	Sat, 08 Sep 2001 02:05:06 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, tekoamxai@w... wrote:
> salvete!
> regarding the question about the roman coins w/sexual
> postions on them-i read (can't remember where-
> possibly a book about pompeii) the brothels
> used these coins. you would go to the brothel-
> state your preferences-and recieve a coin to give
> to the prostitute. she would provide the service
> depicted on the coin.
> drusilla cassia titiana

That's certainly fascinating - I bought a couple of fair-sized
batches of uncleaned Roman coins a while back - didn't get any of
these!

Valete!

Rufus Iulius Palaeologus

Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Land Fund
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Fri, 7 Sep 2001 22:06:05 -0400

Salvete;

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Dreesbach [mailto:stakor2000@--------]
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 4:32 PM
>
> I was wondering what ever happened to the land fund? Will a
> portion of the membership fees be used to regularly set aside to
> a land/property fund? If this has not been considered perhaps
> it could be.

The land fund itself was established last year, and the funds put into their
first investments this year
(http://www.novaroma.org/aerarium_saturni/qua01081501.html). No regular
set-aside for the land fund from the general treasury is provided for (nor
do I believe such is necessary or desireable), but I think it is a sure bet
that _some_ part of the general treasury will be allocated to the land fund
each year (the specific amount varying depending on circumstances).

For those interested in donating directly to the land fund (as opposed to
regular donations which go to the general treasury-- which also needs money,
by the way!), you can do so over the Internet (using PayPal) at
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclick&business=pcassia@novaroma.
org&item_name=Ad+Fundos+Res%3A+Nova+Roma+Land+Fund&item_number=003&no_shippi
ng=1&return=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.novaroma.org%2F&cancel_return=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
novaroma.org%2F&submit.x=141&submit.y=22 (there is a link to that on the
Aerarium Saturni page).

Jolan'tru,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

Subject:	[novaroma] A Healthy Organization
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Sat, 08 Sep 2001 03:16:24 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

I must add my voice in praise of the dignatis of Senator et Tribune
Fortunatus. I looked at the inital remark in question, and thought:
"hmm"....based on what I know of his true character, he is probably
just chosen the wrong set of words.

I think from time to time, we have to interpret what is written, based
on our past experience with the posting individual, especially in
cases of ambiguity. If he almost always projects a kindness and
virtuity, as in the case of Fortunatus, it is unlikely his convictions
were being adequately represented in a statement such as this.

We, as human beings would place a very unjust burden on already very
kind, virtuous people by asking them to be perfect...nonne?



I know, Tribune Fortunatus, we have had some political disagreements,
as I am sure you have had with others.... but this does not mean that
I am blinded as to your many qualities of character. To some extent, I
am envious :)

I thought it was very good of you to explain your position a second
time around, and I applaud your ability to reread your post and put
yourself in a reader's shoes, questioning how someone might be
affected by your address.

Most of all, I applaud the fact that you had the caring and humility
to do this. How truly Roman.

Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo

Subject:	[novaroma] Sodalitas Militarium
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Sat, 08 Sep 2001 03:42:28 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

For the benefit of those who are new to our community, I would like to
offer you some information on the Sodalitas Militarium or "Military
Society" of Nova Roma.

Members of the Sodalitas discuss and study various aspects of the
Roman Military, with departmental focus on the Legions, Auxilaries
(yes, one "L"!), Cavalry, Naval Forces and Engineering and
Cartography.

Our members communicate regularily through a common email address, and
also by attending the growing numbers of physical gatherings. We
collectively contribute to our growing libray of photographs,
hyperlinks, maps and other academic resources.

Although the Sodalitas Militarium in no way endorces or promotes
conquest and unnecessary military force, we are intrigued by the
efficiency of the Roman Military Vehicle, and its positive
contributions to the foundation of ancient and contemporary
civilization, as well as its tactical legacy to the military forces of
today.

Associate Membership is now available to all those who are over 18
years, who are not citizens in Nova Roma. So....if your citizenship
is pending, you are most welcome to join us. Please be sure to
contact me via email when you obtain your citizenship.

Does this sound like something you would like to become a part of?
If it does, please write to me, Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
,<Militarium@--------> or the above addie, giving me your Roman
name, or pending Roman name and your particular interest in the Roman
Military, if you have one other than general interest.

Visit our websites! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sodalitasmilitarium
http://www.diocletian.de/sodmil
www.novaroma.org...click on Campus Martius for
legion reenactment and sponsored legio information

Bene valete,

Bene valete,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Benefactarius Praefectum
Sodalitas Militarium
NOVA ROMA

Subject:	[novaroma] What Do we Really Need?
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Sat, 08 Sep 2001 04:10:08 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

I would like to generate a topic of discussion, which I am hoping
will be enjoyable and fruitful, and might help generate some thoughts
for those citizens who are considering taking up positions of office
to represent us in various capacities.

And this is about as political as I hope this discussion will get :)
I am hoping it will be noncontroversial, where we can honestly
appraise the question I am going to pose, and provide some honest and
useful answers.

>From a purely sociological point of view, "What is the one Primus
element we collectively "need" to make us a stronger community, to
generate a heightened sense of comradry ? In other words, "What do we
need to do to stimulate individual/collective pride in being Nova
Roma?"

Again, not what we "don't" need, which will result in a lot of "get
rid of this lex, or that", but what we "do" need, expressed from a
simple, nonpolitical stance, as a citizen of this community of Nova
Roma.


I look forward to hearing your comments.

Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] What Do we Really Need?
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@-------->
Date:	Fri, 07 Sep 2001 21:14:52 -0700

Ave,

Thank you Pompeia for posting such a thoughtful post.

I think we need to focus on a foundation. That foundation should be the
Gens. It should be the center of our involvement in Nova Roma. If we
have a strong family unit...then that strength will reflect on the rest
of our involvement in Nova Roma.

So, IMHO we need active and cohesive family connections. And this is
what I strive for in the Gens Cornelia.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

trog99@-------- wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes:
>
> I would like to generate a topic of discussion, which I am hoping
> will be enjoyable and fruitful, and might help generate some thoughts
> for those citizens who are considering taking up positions of office
> to represent us in various capacities.
>
> And this is about as political as I hope this discussion will get :)
> I am hoping it will be noncontroversial, where we can honestly
> appraise the question I am going to pose, and provide some honest and
> useful answers.
>
> >From a purely sociological point of view, "What is the one Primus
> element we collectively "need" to make us a stronger community, to
> generate a heightened sense of comradry ? In other words, "What do we
>
> need to do to stimulate individual/collective pride in being Nova
> Roma?"
>
> Again, not what we "don't" need, which will result in a lot of "get
> rid of this lex, or that", but what we "do" need, expressed from a
> simple, nonpolitical stance, as a citizen of this community of Nova
> Roma.
>
> I look forward to hearing your comments.
>
> Bene vale,
> Pompeia Cornelia
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] What Do we Really Need?
From:	"Gaius Cornelius Publicus" <gaius-cornelius-publicus@-------->
Date:	Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:43:08 -0700

What do we really need? Well, we already have enough family love to create
dysfunction, time to look outward for awhile. :)

What do we really need? We really need a new look and a new mission (common
goal if you will).

How to do it? Let's give a modern (tech and look/feel) update to our kewl
website to make it soopah kewl.

How to do it? Let's craft a message around something that all political and
religious views can ascribe to (proper virtue), that appeals to mainstream
folks (use 'mericans as an archetype since many in NR already are familiar
with the species).

How to do it? Let's flood the net and, as much as possible the "real
world", with references back to the virtues. The net is easy through
banners, posting on non-NR boards, heck even spamming! ;-) Real World is
harder but still doable....spread little thought meme's with bumper
stickers, handbills passed out while walking down the sidewalk, carry little
pieces of printed paper to stick under every windshield wiper on your way
into the mall...all with a common message, virtue is important, NR gots it.

Publicus


-----Original Message-----
From: trog99@-------- <trog99@-------->
To: novaroma@-------- <novaroma@-------->
Date: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:10 PM
Subject: [novaroma] What Do we Really Need?


>Salvete Omnes:
>
>I would like to generate a topic of discussion, which I am hoping
>will be enjoyable and fruitful, and might help generate some thoughts
>for those citizens who are considering taking up positions of office
>to represent us in various capacities.
>
>And this is about as political as I hope this discussion will get :)
>I am hoping it will be noncontroversial, where we can honestly
>appraise the question I am going to pose, and provide some honest and
>useful answers.
>
>From a purely sociological point of view, "What is the one Primus
>element we collectively "need" to make us a stronger community, to
>generate a heightened sense of comradry ? In other words, "What do we
>need to do to stimulate individual/collective pride in being Nova
>Roma?"
>
>Again, not what we "don't" need, which will result in a lot of "get
>rid of this lex, or that", but what we "do" need, expressed from a
>simple, nonpolitical stance, as a citizen of this community of Nova
>Roma.
>
>
>I look forward to hearing your comments.
>
>Bene vale,
>Pompeia Cornelia
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] What Do we Really Need?
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@-------->
Date:	Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:45:44 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete,

"Because the Gods of Olympus are calling"
from
http://www.novaroma.org/

I think we need to answer that call.

If it weren't for the efforts of Antonius Gryllus
Graecus you could spend weeks on this list without
realizing that Nova Roma had anything to do with the
Religio.

L. Sicinius Drusus

--- trog99@-------- wrote:
> Salvete Omnes:
>
> I would like to generate a topic of discussion,
> which I am hoping
> will be enjoyable and fruitful, and might help
> generate some thoughts
> for those citizens who are considering taking up
> positions of office
> to represent us in various capacities.
>
> And this is about as political as I hope this
> discussion will get :)
> I am hoping it will be noncontroversial, where we
> can honestly
> appraise the question I am going to pose, and
> provide some honest and
> useful answers.
>
> From a purely sociological point of view, "What is
> the one Primus
> element we collectively "need" to make us a stronger
> community, to
> generate a heightened sense of comradry ? In other
> words, "What do we
> need to do to stimulate individual/collective pride
> in being Nova
> Roma?"
>
> Again, not what we "don't" need, which will result
> in a lot of "get
> rid of this lex, or that", but what we "do" need,
> expressed from a
> simple, nonpolitical stance, as a citizen of this
> community of Nova
> Roma.
>
>
> I look forward to hearing your comments.
>
> Bene vale,
> Pompeia Cornelia
>
>


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: I'm a Bad American
From:	"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@-------->
Date:	Sat, 8 Sep 2001 00:22:25 -0400

The poster was knocking John Lennon, who wrote Give Peace a Chance (and Paul McCartney sang on that single). It was released as a Beatles single with Lennon/McCartney writing credits, even though Ringo & George didn't have a thing to do with it.
Lennon did NOT have very much luck with money, despite the fact he made a lot. Alan Klein grabbed a bunch of it. McCartney was, and is, the one with business sense - that's why he's a billionaire (I believe the ONLY rock star in that stratosphere).
Beatles Forever.
Helena

----- Original Message -----
From: gcassiusnerva@--------
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 5:33 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: I'm a Bad American


--- In novaroma@--------, "Teleri ferch N--------n" <rckovak@e...> wrote:
> Excuse me? Give peace a chance is a stupid idea somehow?
> Beatles forever.
> Helena


No, 'Give Peace a Chance' was by the Plastic Ono Band, not the
Beatles. And yes, giving peace "a chance" by sitting in a bag,
planting an acorn, and getting naked with Yoko {yuk} on an album
cover accomplished so much for peace! And when a man of Lennon's net
worth in real estate tells you to imagine no possessions, it is time
to gag.

Nerva

Subject:	[novaroma] Citizen of the Year: Explanation
From:	Odysseus49@--------
Date:	Sat, 08 Sep 2001 06:11:02 -0000

Salvete omnes,

I have already received several votes for this. It's great to see
people getting involved in these Ludi! However, it works in a
slightly different way. The Aediles will be making some nominations
for Citizen of the Year, and then the cives will vote for the one
they consider most worthy. We shall publish our nominations as soon
as possible. I am sorry for any confusion caused by this.

Valete,
Titus Sertorius Albinus.

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: What Do we Really Need?
From:	ksterne@--------
Date:	Sat, 08 Sep 2001 13:21:20 -0000

Salve Pompeia Cornelia et salve Omnes,

I too thank you for such a thought provoking question.

IMO, the single thing that will most benefit NR and it's mission is
more real world meetings of its cives.

This will strengthen the families, which Censor Sulla mentioned and
provide opportunities to practice the Religio as mentioned by Lucius
Sicinius. But, most importantly, it will draw us together as a real
community vs. an "internet experience". Imagine a nationwide or even
worldwide gathering of cives! Putting names with faces, conversing
without the problems of "deciphering" message board posts, punching a
political enemy in the stomach ;-).

It's is slowly happening and I urge everyone to continue to meet face
to face at any opportunity.

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas

Subject:	[novaroma] Election Advice
From:	ksterne@--------
Date:	Sat, 08 Sep 2001 13:26:18 -0000

As the election season nears, I share the advice given to Marcus
Tullius Cicero by his brother, Quintus, in 64 BCE:

"Avoid taking a definite stand on great public issues either in the
Senate or before the People. Bend your energies toward making
friends of key-men in all classes of voters".

Time have not really changed that much, have they? ;-)

Gaius Popillius Laenas

Subject:	Suspicion (was Re: [novaroma] Re: Some responses)
From:	"J. Meuleman" <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
Date:	Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:24:41 +0200

S. Apollonius Draco L. Sicinio Druso SPD,


(snipped)

MAF (on the governorship of Venedia): I thus feel fully qualified for the
post. If anyone casts doubt upon this, it must be because of political
differences.

LSD: Well, I'm not going to deny that I have some "political differences"
with Marcus Apollonius, but I do have some thoughts about his
qualifications. I'll leave it to the reader to decide if they are political.

The first concerns his "willingness to serve until the end of the present
year". It is now September. The end of the Year is only 115 days away. A
Governor is expected to make his first progress report to the Senate at the
100 mark, and we have a Governor who is planning on leaving office shortly
after this first report. Organizing a new Province is a major undertaking,
as I am finding out while reorganizing my Province. Vendia deserves a
Propraetor who will be able to give her more time than this.

The second is a more serious matter. I refer you to this post.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/novaroma/message/22049

Take note of this section.

<< "Robotnik" in Polish means "worker", and certainly Longinus is a worker
for Nova Roma: he has induced a number of people to become citizens (which
he as a Polish speaker can do better than I can here), and he has been the
motive force behind the project to create the Provincia Venedia for Poland,
in which I am collaborating (and upon which we hope the Senate will act
swiftly and favourably...:-). >>

I have to be concerned about a canidate for Propraetor of Vendia who
dosen't speak Polish. Given Marcus Apollonius' often stated views on
citizens being "forced" to use English on this list, I sure he shares my
concerns about having a Propraetor who dosen't speak the native language of
the majority of the citizens of the province. I don't think we want to
"force" the citizens of Vendia to deal with their Governor in any language
than Polish.

Marcus Apollonius is lucky. I'm not a Senator. If I were I would have to
vote no, not because he is "populares" but because he fails to meet theese
important qualifications. Perhaps the Senate will feel different.

SAD: Formosanus meets every legal qualification, so perhaps the Senate may
consider changing their standards. Secondly, mi Druse, I wonder why you are
interfering in a matter that is not your business, but only that of the
Senate and the Venedii?

LSD: If the Senate does decide he isn't qualified, then Vendia will still
need a Propraetor. I think that this will require someone who speaks Polish
and who has the time to devote to Vendia. Maia Apollonia Pica has shown she
has the intellagence for this job in her posts to this list. Her English
skills will allow her to communicate with the Senate and the Magistrates of
Nova Roma without the need of a translator.

SAD: Friendly as this recommendation seems at first sight, it is also an
inteference in a gens-related thing, very smoothly blended in your posting
as a "concerned citizen". To give you a comparative example, it would be
like I'd be interfering in matters concerning, let's say South Africa, where
the candidate for governor (a Cornelius) does not speak Afrikaans, but one
of his gensmates does.

LSD: She is a very new citizen, but Vendia is a very new Province.

SAD: Oh, this means that leges should be set aside.

LSD: I think it would be a good idea to grant her a waiver on the time if
she is willing to serve as Propraetor, and if Marcus Apollonius is willing
to act as her Legate. She is a member of the populares faction, so politics
isn't part of the choice. I would be more than happy to send a recomendation
to the Senate on her behalf.

SAD: But why would you? You are not a Venedian, nor a Senator, and not an
Apollonius either. I'm sorry for the overall rough tone of this message, but
I must say that your interference here did raise an eyebrow or two here.


Vale bene,
S. Apollonius Draco

Subject:	Re: Suspicion (was Re: [novaroma] Re: Some responses)
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@-------->
Date:	Sat, 8 Sep 2001 08:14:02 -0700 (PDT)

--- "J. Meuleman" <hendrik.meuleman@--------> wrote:
> S. Apollonius Draco L. Sicinio Druso SPD,
>
>
> (snipped)
>
> MAF (on the governorship of Venedia): I thus feel
> fully qualified for the
> post. If anyone casts doubt upon this, it must be
> because of political
> differences.
>
> LSD: Well, I'm not going to deny that I have some
> "political differences"
> with Marcus Apollonius, but I do have some thoughts
> about his
> qualifications. I'll leave it to the reader to
> decide if they are political.
>
> The first concerns his "willingness to serve until
> the end of the present
> year". It is now September. The end of the Year is
> only 115 days away. A
> Governor is expected to make his first progress
> report to the Senate at the
> 100 mark, and we have a Governor who is planning on
> leaving office shortly
> after this first report. Organizing a new Province
> is a major undertaking,
> as I am finding out while reorganizing my Province.
> Vendia deserves a
> Propraetor who will be able to give her more time
> than this.
>
> The second is a more serious matter. I refer you to
> this post.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/novaroma/message/22049
>
> Take note of this section.
>
> << "Robotnik" in Polish means "worker", and
> certainly Longinus is a worker
> for Nova Roma: he has induced a number of people to
> become citizens (which
> he as a Polish speaker can do better than I can
> here), and he has been the
> motive force behind the project to create the
> Provincia Venedia for Poland,
> in which I am collaborating (and upon which we hope
> the Senate will act
> swiftly and favourably...:-). >>
>
> I have to be concerned about a canidate for
> Propraetor of Vendia who
> dosen't speak Polish. Given Marcus Apollonius' often
> stated views on
> citizens being "forced" to use English on this
> list, I sure he shares my
> concerns about having a Propraetor who dosen't speak
> the native language of
> the majority of the citizens of the province. I
> don't think we want to
> "force" the citizens of Vendia to deal with their
> Governor in any language
> than Polish.
>
> Marcus Apollonius is lucky. I'm not a Senator. If I
> were I would have to
> vote no, not because he is "populares" but because
> he fails to meet theese
> important qualifications. Perhaps the Senate will
> feel different.
>
> SAD: Formosanus meets every legal qualification, so
> perhaps the Senate may
> consider changing their standards. Secondly, mi
> Druse, I wonder why you are
> interfering in a matter that is not your business,
> but only that of the
> Senate and the Venedii?

DRUSUS: All of Nova Roma is my concern, and I hope all
of our citizens feel this same concern. You act as if
I've never used this list to speak out on the
apointment of a propraetor. I remind you that earlier
this year I posted a recomendation that the Propraetor
of your provincia be reappoinred, though I must have
missed your objections to my interfering in the
affairs of Gallia.

>
> LSD: If the Senate does decide he isn't qualified,
> then Vendia will still
> need a Propraetor. I think that this will require
> someone who speaks Polish
> and who has the time to devote to Vendia. Maia
> Apollonia Pica has shown she
> has the intellagence for this job in her posts to
> this list. Her English
> skills will allow her to communicate with the Senate
> and the Magistrates of
> Nova Roma without the need of a translator.
>
> SAD: Friendly as this recommendation seems at first
> sight, it is also an
> inteference in a gens-related thing, very smoothly
> blended in your posting
> as a "concerned citizen". To give you a comparative
> example, it would be
> like I'd be interfering in matters concerning, let's
> say South Africa, where
> the candidate for governor (a Cornelius) does not
> speak Afrikaans, but one
> of his gensmates does.

DRUSUS: Maia Apollonia's Gens has nothing to do with
my recomendation. They are based on the excellent
qualities she has shown in her posts. I really do feel
that she would make an excellant Propraetor, if she is
willing to take on the job.

>
> LSD: She is a very new citizen, but Vendia is a very
> new Province.
>
> SAD: Oh, this means that leges should be set aside.

DRUSUS: There are no leges regarding the qualifactions
of a propraetor, ther is only a Consulta. Since the
Appointment is a later Consulta it overides the
earlier Consulta. The Senate has done this in other
cases when a propraetor was appointed, including my
appointment. If you think they erred in my case you
are more than welcome to "interfere" in the affairs of
America Austrorientalis and make your concerns public.

>
> LSD: I think it would be a good idea to grant her a
> waiver on the time if
> she is willing to serve as Propraetor, and if Marcus
> Apollonius is willing
> to act as her Legate. She is a member of the
> populares faction, so politics
> isn't part of the choice. I would be more than happy
> to send a recomendation
> to the Senate on her behalf.
>
> SAD: But why would you? You are not a Venedian, nor
> a Senator, and not an
> Apollonius either. I'm sorry for the overall rough
> tone of this message, but
> I must say that your interference here did raise an
> eyebrow or two here.
>
DRUSUS: I would do this because having good governors
affects all of Nova Roma. We are the sum of the
Provinces.

Vale,
L. Sicinius Drusus


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Subject:	[novaroma] unsubscribe
From:	"Julie & Lawrence Brooks" <anubis@-------->
Date:	Sat, 8 Sep 2001 10:57:19 -0400

To list members:

I have decided to unsubscribe from this particular Nova Roma e-mail group.
It is a rare occasion that historical and factual information on the history
of Rome is ever posted to this list.

It seems that rudeness, insults, and inflammatory remarks are the decorum of
this list. This does nothing to further strengthen the Nova Roma
organization, nor build ties of friendship and goodwill among its citizens.
I shall miss those few persons with their posts of eloquence, sanity and
respect towards their fellow citizens.

I love a good debate. I do not love idle gossip, degradation of people and
disrespect. This list is out of control and will continue to be so until
some learn to treat people with the kindness and respect that every
individual so deserves, no matter the background, experiences and culture
differences.

I wish you all farewell and leave you to your incessant bickerings.

Vale,
Varia Cassia

Subject:	[novaroma] Gallery updated...
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Sat, 8 Sep 2001 12:00:03 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete,

I have substantially revised the "Pinotheca" section of the Nova Roma
website. Changes include a new index page, and many new photos added
from Roman Days 2001, Fort Malden, and Pennsic.

The Pinotheca is located at http://www.novaroma.org/gallery/

If any citizens have photos of events such as these, or just photos
of yourself for the Album Civium, please mail them to
webmaster@--------

Valete, Octavius.

--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneum et Senator

"... one of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that,
lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of
their C programs." -- Robert Firth

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Adoption announcement
From:	"Raina Faolan" <GuruPoet@-------->
Date:	Sat, 08 Sep 2001 14:38:17 -0400

>From: Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: "novaroma@--------" <novaroma@-------->
>Subject: [novaroma] Adoption announcement
>Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 00:13:55 -0700
>
>Ave Citizens of Nova Roma,
>
>It is my sincere pleasure to announce the adoption of Pompeia Antonia
>Caesaria into the Gens Cornelia. She successfully petitioned the
>paterfamilias of the Gens Antonia to be released and then requested to
>join the Gens Cornelia. It is my pleasure to accept her into the Gens
>Cornelia.
>
>As per her request her new name will be: Pompeia Cornelia Antonia
>Caesaria.
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>Paterfamilias of the Gens Cornelia

Salve,

That explains everything! (This is what happens when I don't read Gens
mail.) Congratulations nova Soror!

Vale,
Aeternia


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Subject:	[novaroma] Back from Vacation
From:	cassius622@--------
Date:	Sat, 8 Sep 2001 17:33:27 EDT

Salvete,

Patricia Cassia and I have returned from vacation, and are in the process of
sorting through Emails and list postings.

If anyone has written to either of us and does not receive a response in a
couple of days, please do write again. I know I've been deleting "spam" mail
like crazy, and am always worried that the occasional important email might
be lost as well.

It's good to be back, even though it was both fun and healthy to get away
from computers for an entire week! :)

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Consul




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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] unsubscribe
From:	"scott dolleck" <billgatesson@-------->
Date:	Sat, 08 Sep 2001 17:46:45 +0000

Salvete,

I could not agree more with you,
but I will not unsubscribe just yet.
I have been on the list for a year now.
It amazes me the things that our citizens
talk about...(Most things about the state that NR is in.)
But Also ALOT of junk.
I can always hope people will change.

Lucius Avisius Seneca

"First rule is to keep an untroubled spirit.
The second is to look things in the face and know them for
what they really are".

Marcus Aurelius





>From: "Julie & Lawrence Brooks" <anubis@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: "Nova Roma" <novaroma@-------->
>Subject: [novaroma] unsubscribe
>Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 10:57:19 -0400
>
>To list members:
>
>I have decided to unsubscribe from this particular Nova Roma e-mail group.
>It is a rare occasion that historical and factual information on the
>history
>of Rome is ever posted to this list.
>
>It seems that rudeness, insults, and inflammatory remarks are the decorum
>of
>this list. This does nothing to further strengthen the Nova Roma
>organization, nor build ties of friendship and goodwill among its citizens.
>I shall miss those few persons with their posts of eloquence, sanity and
>respect towards their fellow citizens.
>
>I love a good debate. I do not love idle gossip, degradation of people and
>disrespect. This list is out of control and will continue to be so until
>some learn to treat people with the kindness and respect that every
>individual so deserves, no matter the background, experiences and culture
>differences.
>
>I wish you all farewell and leave you to your incessant bickerings.
>
>Vale,
>Varia Cassia
>
>


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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: What Do we Really Need?
From:	burdigalus@--------
Date:	Sat, 08 Sep 2001 16:00:11 -0000

Salvete Onmes,

This is a very thought provoking and extremely good question. I
agree with all the responses I've seen so far. Face to face
gatherings do build community as does placing a high priority on
families and the religion.
One of the things that binds communities together and people to
their community are the every day interactions that have nothing to
do with politics or religion, and that is the shops and services made
available to the population by the population. I don't see how we can
do that in our present condition except via web-based boutiques
(which I don't have a lot of faith in as stand-alone businesses) or
mail order. I don't think it would be wise to have the corporation of
Nova Roma involved other than as a "paid for" resource as long as NR
isn't exposed to liability from its involvement.
As markets go the NR population is almost big enough to be called a
micro-market. I don't think the population is big enough yet to be
the sole support of any business, but civis dealing with civis is
always a good way to build community feeling. The advantage it has
for customers is that a business that treats its customers badly will
very quickly gain a reputation for it in here and not prosper by it.
The advantage for the businesses that do provide services/products
that are of use to civis and are something that the civis would buy
via a web-boutique or mail order is that they have a pretty good and
growing captive market, even if it's a pretty small one at the
moment.
I think the basics are already in place in the macellum page on the
NR web site. I do think it's worth exploring. BTW - I am not grinding
my own axe here. What I do for a living I enjoy the hell out of and
it doesn't translate into a service that would be of interest to
enough of the civis to make it a worthwhile endeavour in NR. At least
not until we have a population that vastly exceeds even our wildest
dreams.

Valete,
Gaius Etcheverius Burdigalus

--- In novaroma@--------, trog99@h... wrote:
> Salvete Omnes:
>
> I would like to generate a topic of discussion, which I am hoping
> will be enjoyable and fruitful, and might help generate some
thoughts
> for those citizens who are considering taking up positions of
office
> to represent us in various capacities.
>
> And this is about as political as I hope this discussion will get :)
> I am hoping it will be noncontroversial, where we can honestly
> appraise the question I am going to pose, and provide some honest
and
> useful answers.
>
> From a purely sociological point of view, "What is the one Primus
> element we collectively "need" to make us a stronger community, to
> generate a heightened sense of comradry ? In other words, "What do
we
> need to do to stimulate individual/collective pride in being Nova
> Roma?"
>
> Again, not what we "don't" need, which will result in a lot of "get
> rid of this lex, or that", but what we "do" need, expressed from a
> simple, nonpolitical stance, as a citizen of this community of Nova
> Roma.
>
>
> I look forward to hearing your comments.
>
> Bene vale,
> Pompeia Cornelia

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Suspicion
From:	Pica <mjarc@-------->
Date:	Sat, 8 Sep 2001 19:19:37 +0200 (MET DST)

Salvete,

I can see I've missed something.

> I have to be concerned about a canidate for Propraetor of Vendia who
> dosen't speak Polish. Given Marcus Apollonius' often stated views on
> citizens being "forced" to use English on this list, I sure he shares my
> concerns about having a Propraetor who dosen't speak the native language of
> the majority of the citizens of the province. I don't think we want to
> "force" the citizens of Vendia to deal with their Governor in any language
> than Polish.

He still is the only person who qualifies. Lucius Sicinius Drusus pointed
out the qualifications were only required by a senatusconsultum, but I
think they atre important and reasonable.

Of course I would be very pleased to do any translations necessary, as
well as other work a sriba could do. I have already been doing that
anyway. No one is going to force anybody to use English, and Formosanus is
very clear about it. He owns the local Venedian list, and the languages
there are Polish and Latin.

Note that so far no citizen in Venedia has had any problems with this
candidature.

> LSD: If the Senate does decide he isn't qualified, then Vendia will still
> need a Propraetor. I think that this will require someone who speaks Polish
> and who has the time to devote to Vendia. Maia Apollonia Pica has shown she
> has the intellagence for this job in her posts to this list. Her English
> skills will allow her to communicate with the Senate and the Magistrates of
> Nova Roma without the need of a translator.

LOL!

I am a total newbie, Luci Sicini Druse. I would have to rely on someone in
everything. Unfair, don't you think? And of course I would prefer the sc
in question to be respected.

Valete,

Maia Apollonia Pica

Subject:	[novaroma] Semi-Sequiter
From:	Steven - Piparskeggr <catamount_grange@-------->
Date:	Sat, 08 Sep 2001 17:56:26 -0500

Savete!

I'm constantly amused by the dread of messages, both "on topic" and
"off" herein.

By choice, I own or help moderate 17 lists and subscribe to 39 others.
In an average day I'll process 250 - 300 emails (which has gone as high
as 1000), replying to perhap 10% and closely reading perhaps 30%.
<shrug> Most are low to moderately active. The two really active lists
are this one and the Asatru in Action list (which I own and am a
co-moderator).

(Stats as of 17:40 CST/US)

NR: 459 subscribers, 39 months in existence, 25881 messages, approx. 664
per month (approx 56/cives over the life of the list) with a high of
1552 one month.

ANA: 330 subs., 23 mths, 36494 msgs, 1587/mth (111/person/life of list)
with a high of 4483 one month.

Both lists have a high signal to noise ratio <<<SHRUG>>>
So Does Life Folks.

We currently have a request for helping naming a kitten on ANA. The
poster will get useful and teasing responses, but no will call her a
waster for posting.

At the other end of the "usefulness" spectrum, we have a discussion on
racism going on, without rancour I might add.

As for the discourtesy shown here, I agree, our tones should be more
adult. One can vehementy disagree withour ad hominum attack becoming
part of the repartee. This list is, though, much more civil than many
upon which I am or have been a resident.

A main list IS the main marketplace for ideas, ALL of them.

Have we lost people because of this?
Sure.
Will we continue to do so?
Sure.

Will the temper of the list change to a stodgy place with no room for
naming kittens, or ideological discourse?
If it does, Nova Roma is dead, and I'm gone.

Gains and losses every day.

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