| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: to the people that would let themselves be victims.... |
| From: |
"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 00:04:20 -0000 |
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--- In novaroma@--------, "JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@g...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but this is the 14th time I have
> received this exact same "letter" in the past three days. Every time it
> shows up someone new is claiming a different source. I am not
commenting on
> the *content* and what I may think of it, just pointing out that this
> "letter" should be seen for what it truly is.
>
> Vale,
> Priscilla Vedia Serena
>
Salvete,
The "Letter" is an essay that apperard on Salon.com on September 14th.
See
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/09/14/afghanistan/index.html
The page also contains this warning
"Reproduction of material from any Salon pages without written
permission is strictly prohibited
Copyright 2001 Salon.com "
If any of you are intrested in forwarding this information to others
please use Salons URL. Forwarding or posting this "letter" is a
violation of US Copyright laws.
I Sure that Helena had no intent to violate any laws.
Citizens, at times like these it's common to want to send an
intresting news story or letter to a friend. Please use the URL rather
than coppying a news story. If someone sends you a "letter" please ask
them where they got it before passing it on.
Valete,
L. Sicinius Drusus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Stupid? Question. |
| From: |
"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 00:39:57 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, loos@q... wrote:
> Hypothetical situation:
>
> A suicidal terrorist blews itself and a hundred in of cubans in an
> attempt to
> kill Fidel Castro.
>
> Without solid evidence, Cuba asks the USA for the extradition of the
> most
> eminent anti-castrist emigry, and assorts this demand with an ultimatum
> to the
> USA, considering this as a declaration of War.
>
> What would be your reactions?
>
> Could the answer to this mitigate your demands for killing afghans ?
>
> Manius Villius Limitanus
1. If any US Citizen or resident alien were involved they would have
violated the US Neutrality acts. We outlawed "private" attempts at
waging war against other nations in the 19th Century.
2. Bin Ladden has allready issued two Fatwahs declairing war against
the United States. Any attempt by an American to do this would violate
the Neutrality acts.
3. Bin Ladden has publicly claimed credit for the attack on the USS
Cole. Under international law a ship is soverign territory of the
nation that owns it, so the deaths of the American Sailors occured on
US terrotory. Under our laws Bin Laden is a confessed Murderer. This
was also an act of war, violating the Nerenburg protocols on waging
aggressive war. Bin Laden is a confessed War Criminal.
4. We already have strong enough evidance to have indicted Bin Laden
for the attacks on our Embassies in Africa. Under International law
Embassies are the Soverign territory of the nation that owns them, so
we do have jurisdiction over this crime.
We allready have enough on Bin Ladden to hang him WITHOUT the latest
outrage, but a trial before US courts would be very dangrous to the
Taliban as it would open the way for Taliban government offical to be
indicted for war crimes, so the Taliban has ignored ALL attempts to
bring this self confessed Murderer to trail before last weeks attacks.
IF the Cuban Government presented the same level of evidance against
the hypothetical terrorist it is allmost certain that he would either
be tried on capital charges in the US, or extradicted to Cuba.
L. Sicinius Drusus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] a hot head... and a heavy heart... |
| From: |
bsmith3121@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:54:43 EDT |
|
Salvette Casca,
There is certainly no reason to apologize for something that many of your fellow citizens, both Nova Romans and U.S., agree with. A large part of the healing process is the willingness and ability to voice the frustration, anger, shock and sense of deep loss that much of the world is feeling right now. Too often, we allow ourselves to keep those types of feelings bottled up inside. It's cathartic to be able to voice what you are feeling.
We who are Americans and Nova Romans are fortunate in that we have two national "families" that can offer an ear and a shoulder. All of our lives have been touched in some way by the tragic events of the past week.
We should all be as "impassioned" as you are.
Also, thanks for serving your country Ranger!
Valette,
Caius Titinius Varus
In a message dated Tue, 18 Sep 2001 1:46:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Kryn Miner" <kminer_rsg@--------> writes:
>
> I want to appologize for being so um, lets just say "inpassioned" about the
> WTC topic..
>
> I forget some times there are other virtues such as humility, and
> temperance, wisdom, etc. that are just as important to romans and americans
> for that matter....
>
> Thank you to all of you who have written me about my loss there. your
> condolances are greatly appreciated..
>
> They say there are some 5 steps in the greaving process, something like
> shock, anger, guilt, acceptance or something like that... well, I'm working
> on the other 4. (it seems I have anger down pat!! Trait of being an
> enlisted guy in the 75th Ranger Regt for a few years, before becoming an
> officer and a gentlemen)
>
> if I have offended anyone I do humbly appologize. as one cive wrote to me,
> it's not enough to win the battle on the ground we need to win it in our
> hearts and homes. no one should be afraid to live their lives..
>
> So, to all of you who have lost or have love ones that will fall into harms
> way, because of this horror, You are not alone.. I offer that as comfort if
> it can be...
>
> sincerely,
>
> Casca
>
>
>
>
>
> Cascus Tiberius Rufio Longinus
> Praefectus Legionis & Tribuni Militum
> Legio VI Victrix Pia Fidelis
> Cornicularius Militarium Sodalitas
> Pater, Gens Tiberia of Nova Roma
>
> "Nos Sumus Romae milites, parati stamus ad potestatem et gloriam eius. Roma
> est Lux."
> "we are soldiers of Rome, for her might and glory we stand ready... She is
> the Light"
>
> www.geocities.com/legio_vi
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Text list |
| From: |
Steven - Piparskeggr <catamount_grange@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:02:38 -0500 |
|
Avete Omnes,
An online list of links to texts I found interesting:
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~vandersp/Courses/texts/texts.html
--
========================================
In Amicus sub Fidelis
- Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
Cives Nova Romana et Paterfamilias
Domus Familias
http://www.geocities.com/gens_ulleria/index.html
Aut cervisae aut nihil!
(either beer, or nothing!)
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Pannonian Scriba tender |
| From: |
alexprobus1@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 08:46:11 -0000 |
|
Salvete Novaromani alii,
After the days of terror and shock, it is time to return back to our
everyday's duties. We will not forget about the victims' pain and
will support the efforts for security and justice.
I would like to announce here a tender for the office of Scriba
Pannonie, who may to be something like assistant for all Pannonian
provincial officers /One Propraetor and the Legates: Gaius Marcius
Coriolanus - the Legatus of Pannonia -Slovakia, Marcus Gryllus
Victorinus - the Legatus of Pannonia Superioris-Hungary, Gneus
Terrentius Pannonicus - the Legatus of Bohemia-Czech Republic/.
The candidate may to be a citizen of Nova Roma, native English
speaker and may to have enough time to fulfil the following duties
described bellow:
1. To monitor the main list /in cooperation with the Legatus
Pannoniae Inferior Gaius Marcius Coriolanus/ and to responce to
messages related to our province. It means any new cives posting
posts on this list to be contacted and the responcible Legate to be
informed about him/her. Also any questions on the list addressed to
Pannonian officers to be forwarded to the responcible officer.
2. To monitor the current legislative changes in Nova Roma and to
correct if necessary any provincial acts issued by the governor and
the Legati to be in harmony with the central government legislation.
3. To assist in provincial administrative agenda mostly on keeping
the provincial archive.
It does not matter where the candidate lives. Candidates, please
contact me on alexprobus1@-------- with a brief NRoman CV of
yours. All the offers will be responced untill 25th September.
I thank to all the candidates in advance for their good will to help
us.
Bene valete
Alexander I.C. Probus M.
Propraetor Pannoniae
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] After Action Report--LegonXXIV--Memorytown--Mt. Pocono, PA--Part II |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 05:10:07 -0400 (EDT) |
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Legion XXIV Commander;
Praefectus Gallio;
Sir:
I beg your leave to contiue my report of the subject event.
On Sunday morning, the spectators were very few, again due to a lack of
advertising. The few people who came told us there were no notices
posted anywhere along Rte 611, in the many restaurants there, nor any
other indication that they were aware of. We entertained about 100-150
visitors over the weekend. The Legion -- Gladiator Camp seemed to be
very popular, and many visitors came back to talk with us more than once
and returned for both sets of Gladiator Games.
Maximus, Cdr. Gallio and Senator Audens spent the morning and early
afternoon explaining and demonstrating Legion tactics in the field,
showing the use of rock hurlers, slingers, archers, cavalry, as well as
demonstrating the use of Legion weapons and armor including the Testudo
and the use of heavy and light pilum, and showing the method of laying
out and defending a Legion marching camp. Senator Audens made two
slings and Legionary Italicus, Centurion Lupas and the Senator practiced
with the slings for accuracy. Meawhile, Cdr Gallio, Praefectus Casca,
and Maximus practiced with the Pila on the Pilum course set up, and did
quite well with steady and deliberate casting. The weighted Pilums
showing a heavy determination of impact on the targets.
Immediately following the practice sessions, the Sunday Afternoon games
were highlighted. Senator Audens explained to a spectator crowd of
about 30 people who had returned from all over Memorytown for this bout,
the contracting of gladiators and the sale of thier abiities on the
Games Billing to the Aediles of the Games. Maximus then explained in
detail the various classes of Gladiator, and some Gladitor history in
the Roman Arena. Senator Audens as the Ludus Lanista appointed an
Aedile of the Games from the crowd of spectators, instructed him in his
duties, and again urged the crowd to cheer for thier favorite hero as
the bout unfolded. Several spectators were return visitors from
Saturday and led the way in cheering the contestants on. Senator Audens
narrated the Gladitorial Games pointing out the class of gladiator, his
weapons, and the style of fighting used, as well as a runnng commentary
of the bout and it's development.
Maximus fought Lupus (Wolf of Britannia) as the FishMan. The fight was
furious and was scheduled to the death. Both Gladiators attacked with
shield and sword, each seeking the advantage by knocking the other off
balance with clashing shields. Each circled the other looking for an
opening, each careful and secure in his own ability with familiar
weapons. Suddenly, the Wolf-man of Britannia struck, hard, and throwing
the Fish-man off balance, got in a shrewd blow. The Fishman (Maximus)
was injured severely. He continued on the defensive but obviously much
crippled. Finally Maximus dropped to one knee and gave the sign for
death, this was relayed to the Aedile of the Games and was granted. The
Wolf of Britannia struck the killing blow, and The Wolf was the Victor
of the Sunday Afternoon Games. Senator Audens stepped forward and
congratulated the New Primus Gladiator.
The XXIVth Legion and the Gladiator School broke camp at 3:00 P.M. as
previously agreed with the event sponsors. Several photographs of the
Gladitorial School and the XXIVth and VIth Legion reenactors as well as
the camp layout and equipment displays were taken. A final picture of
all reenactors remaining on site, was taken as well. We then bid our
farewells to our new reenacting aquaintances and to each other and left
the area for home.
The event is tenatively planned for next year, at perhaps an earlier
date, and the XXIVth Legion, VIth Legion and the Gladitorial School
have all been invited to return. The event was a quiet one, but which
has significant potential if properly advertised in the surrounding
area. It is hoped that next year subsequent advertising will be able to
draw to the event all those Nova Romans in the area, as well as those
wlling to travel a significant distance.
Cdr. Gallio has indicated that each of the members of the Legions
involved should strive to make up at least a couple of palisade stakes
to bring to these events, to deliniate the camp. They present a very
military setting and were a significant addition to the camp layout. It
is also suggested that we look into providing equipment to demonstrate
the use of:
----rock throwers;
(a pile of fist sized smooth river rocks / pebbles and a leather
pouch)--
----slingers;
(slings, pebbles and football shaped lead sling bullets)--
----archers;
(recurve bow dressed to look period, a handful of primative arrows, and
a leather or heavy cloth quiver).
In my estimation, these would add greatly to the explanation of the
Legion Field Tactics in addressing the enemies of the period. A long
German battle sword would possibly also add to the display as well.
Models of a Roman Catapult and a Scorpion would be an further
attraction, together with a game board showing the use of Artillery,
Cavalry, and Auxila on the Assault. Perhaps a model of a Bridge, Signal
Tower, and a Road Surface or Marching Camp could also be considered. I
am working currently on a cork display board for period maps and
structure drawings.
These are all ideas, which I have seen work very well in other period
displays and tend to draw spectators of all ages.
Respectfully Submitted;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Very important: manipulation by CNN |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:23:19 +0100 |
|
Salvete
This is the translation of an article in Spanish (at the bottom) about the
CNN images in which the Palestinians appear celebrating the terrorist attack
on the WTC.
Valete
Graecus
*************************
FOR READING ATTENTIOUSLY AND SPREAD THE CONTENT
Subject: image manipulation by the CNN.
CNN uses images from 1991 to provide information about "celebrations" for
the terrorist attacks (summary of the note published in Indymedia Israel).
In the world there are 3 or 4 big news agencies, and one of them - as you
may know - is CNN.
Well, I suppose that you have been seeing images of this agency. Some images
in particular have called my attention, namely those of palestinians
celebrating the attack, on the streets, eating sweets and doing comical
faces to the cameras.
Well, these images were recorded in 1991. These are the images of the
palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait!.
The use of these images by the CNN, which while not corresponding to reality
aim to inform about a serious problem, is simply unacceptable. My teacher,
here in Brasil, has the videos recorded in 1991, with the very same images;
he has sent them in email to the CNN, Globo (the biggest Brasilian
television company) and to the newspapers, denouncing this act which I
classify as a crime against public opinion.
Now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. This transmission
has an high probability for creating waves of disgust and hate against the
palestinians. It is absolutely irresponsible to show images like these.
Marcio A. V. Carvalho
State University of Campinas - Brasil
************************
PARA LEER CON ATENCISN Y DIFUNDIR
Asunto: Manipulacisn de imagenes por la CNN.
La CNN utiliza imagenes de 1991 para informar de
"celebraciones" por los atentados (Resumen de la nota
publicada en indymedia Israel).
En el mundo hay 3 o 4 grandes agencias de noticias, y
una de ellas -como ya sabra- es la CNN.
Muy bien, supongo que han estado viendo las imagenes
de esta compaqma. En particular, me llamaron la
atencisn las imagenes de los palestinos celebrando el
ataque, en las calles, comiendo dulces y haciendo
muecas csmicas a la camara.
Bien, Esas IMAGENES son de 1991!!! son las
imagenes de los palestinos que celebraban la invasisn
de Kuwait!.
Simplemente es inaceptable el uso que da la CNN a
estas imagenes que no corresponden a la realidad
mientras informan de un serio problema. Mi profesor,
aqum en Brasil, tiene los vmdeos grabados en 1991, con
las mismas imagenes; il ha enviado correos
electrsnicos a la CNN, a O'Globo (la red de
la TELEVISISN mayor de Brasil) y a los perisdicos,
denunciando esto que clasifico como un crimen contra
la opinisn pzblica.
Ahora, piense por un momento sobre el impacto de
tales imagenes. Esta transmisisn tiene una alta
posibilidad de crear olas de enojo y rabia contra
los palestinos. Es absolutamente irresponsable
mostrar imagenes como estas.
Marcio A. V. Carvalho
Universidad Estatal de Campinas - Brasil
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Very important: manipulation by CNN |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 08:16:19 -0400 |
|
Salvete;
Sorry, but that claim has already been exposed as an Internet hoax. See
http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/outrage/cnn.htm for details. The footage
shown on CNN was indeed genuine. (What angers me is that there wasn't any
footage of the Palestinians in Paterson NJ or Brooklyn NY celebrating, but
that's another story.)
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antonio Grilo [mailto:amg@--------]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:23 AM
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] Very important: manipulation by CNN
>
>
> Salvete
>
> This is the translation of an article in Spanish (at the bottom) about the
> CNN images in which the Palestinians appear celebrating the
> terrorist attack
> on the WTC.
>
> Valete
> Graecus
>
>
> *************************
> FOR READING ATTENTIOUSLY AND SPREAD THE CONTENT
> Subject: image manipulation by the CNN.
>
> CNN uses images from 1991 to provide information about "celebrations" for
> the terrorist attacks (summary of the note published in Indymedia Israel).
> In the world there are 3 or 4 big news agencies, and one of them - as you
> may know - is CNN.
> Well, I suppose that you have been seeing images of this agency.
> Some images
> in particular have called my attention, namely those of palestinians
> celebrating the attack, on the streets, eating sweets and doing comical
> faces to the cameras.
> Well, these images were recorded in 1991. These are the images of the
> palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait!.
> The use of these images by the CNN, which while not corresponding
> to reality
> aim to inform about a serious problem, is simply unacceptable. My teacher,
> here in Brasil, has the videos recorded in 1991, with the very
> same images;
> he has sent them in email to the CNN, Globo (the biggest Brasilian
> television company) and to the newspapers, denouncing this act which I
> classify as a crime against public opinion.
> Now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. This transmission
> has an high probability for creating waves of disgust and hate against the
> palestinians. It is absolutely irresponsible to show images like these.
>
> Marcio A. V. Carvalho
> State University of Campinas - Brasil
>
> ************************
> PARA LEER CON ATENCISN Y DIFUNDIR
>
> Asunto: Manipulacisn de imagenes por la CNN.
>
> La CNN utiliza imagenes de 1991 para informar de
> "celebraciones" por los atentados (Resumen de la nota
> publicada en indymedia Israel).
> En el mundo hay 3 o 4 grandes agencias de noticias, y
> una de ellas -como ya sabra- es la CNN.
> Muy bien, supongo que han estado viendo las imagenes
> de esta compaqma. En particular, me llamaron la
> atencisn las imagenes de los palestinos celebrando el
> ataque, en las calles, comiendo dulces y haciendo
> muecas csmicas a la camara.
> Bien, Esas IMAGENES son de 1991!!! son las
> imagenes de los palestinos que celebraban la invasisn
> de Kuwait!.
> Simplemente es inaceptable el uso que da la CNN a
> estas imagenes que no corresponden a la realidad
> mientras informan de un serio problema. Mi profesor,
> aqum en Brasil, tiene los vmdeos grabados en 1991, con
> las mismas imagenes; il ha enviado correos
> electrsnicos a la CNN, a O'Globo (la red de
> la TELEVISISN mayor de Brasil) y a los perisdicos,
> denunciando esto que clasifico como un crimen contra
> la opinisn pzblica.
> Ahora, piense por un momento sobre el impacto de
> tales imagenes. Esta transmisisn tiene una alta
> posibilidad de crear olas de enojo y rabia contra
> los palestinos. Es absolutamente irresponsable
> mostrar imagenes como estas.
>
> Marcio A. V. Carvalho
> Universidad Estatal de Campinas - Brasil
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Oath of Office |
| From: |
"Javier Augusto Gil-Ruiz Gil-Esparza" <javier_gil_ruiz@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 08:59:12 -0000 |
|
I, Marcus Salix Saverius(Javier Gil-Ruiz), do hereby solemnly swear
to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As an official of the province of Hispania of Nova Roma, I, Marcus
Salix Saverius(Javier Gil-Ruiz) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses
of Rome in my public dealings,and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my
public and private life.
I, Marcus Salix Saverius(Javier Gil-Ruiz)swear to uphold and defend
the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never
to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Marcus Salix Saverius(Javier Gil-Ruiz) swear to protect and defend
the Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Marcus Salix Saverius(Javier Gil-Ruiz) further swear to fulfill
the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Legatus
Externis Rebus Hispaniae to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Procurator Retis Hispaniae and all the
rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant
thereto.
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| Subject: |
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| From: |
tiberius.ann@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:32:15 +0200 |
|
Salve C. Minucius Hadrianus,
>Switzerland: Dead: 8 Missing: 280
>I would like to offer my condolences to the cives of all the nations
>lisited here.
>
>Valete,
>
>C. Minucius Hadrianus
>Legatus of Massachusetts
>Nova Britannia Provincia
As a swiss citizen I thank you with all my heart for the condolences you
offered. I offer them back to all the people and citizens of the US and
all the states listed on that list you sent to us, and I hope that all the
people listed as missing will turn up.
By the way. I have not yet received any news from the 8 people whom I know,
who are still missing.
Valete from Switzerland, Tiberius Annaeus Otho
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Very important: manipulation by CNN |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 07:40:42 -0500 (CDT) |
|
Salve Antoni Grylle,
[ quoting one Marcio A. V. Carvalho]
> Well, these images were recorded in 1991. These are the images of the
> palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait!.
> The use of these images by the CNN, which while not corresponding to reality
> aim to inform about a serious problem, is simply unacceptable.
Here, the author makes a wild accusation, while offering absolutely no
proof whatsover. This is grossly irresponsible. Is this person some
sort of journalist?
Chicago Sun-Times columnist Richard Roeper, who has some experience
in debunking urban legends, has written in
http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeper/cst-nws-roep18.html
# Claim: CNN's footage of Palestinians rejoicing over
# the attacks on America is really 10-year-old footage
# of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait.
# Reality: False. It's not surprising that a number of
# media conspiracy theories have sprouted in recent
# days--but as always, you have to question the motives
# of the so-called conspirators. Why would a global
# news organization risk its entire future in order to
# become a propaganda tool--and how could they get so
# many employees to go along with the plan?
# In a posting to Jim Romenesko's MediaNewssite, CNN
# chief news executive Eason Jordan said: ''The suggestion
# that CNN used 10-year-old images to illustrate
# Palestinians celebrating the terrorist strikes in
# the U.S. is baseless and ridiculous. The videotape
# was, in fact, shot Tuesday in East Jerusalem by a
# Reuters TV crew and included comments from a Palestinian
# praising Osama bin Laden, who was not a Gulf War
# player. The more interesting story--it has the added
# value of being true--is that Palestinian officials
# have threatened journalists for taking pictures of
# these Palestinian celebrations.''
Vale, O.
--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneum et Senator
TALIBAN DELENDA EST
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Stupid? Question. |
| From: |
radams36@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:17:21 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> wrote:
> --- In novaroma@--------, loos@q... wrote:
> > Hypothetical situation:
> >
> > A suicidal terrorist blews itself and a hundred in of cubans in an
> > attempt to
> > kill Fidel Castro.
> >
> > Without solid evidence, Cuba asks the USA for the extradition of
the
> > most
> > eminent anti-castrist emigry, and assorts this demand with an
ultimatum
> > to the
> > USA, considering this as a declaration of War.
> >
> > What would be your reactions?
> >
> > Could the answer to this mitigate your demands for killing
afghans ?
> >
> > Manius Villius Limitanus
>
> 1. If any US Citizen or resident alien were involved they would have
> violated the US Neutrality acts. We outlawed "private" attempts at
> waging war against other nations in the 19th Century.
>
> 2. Bin Ladden has allready issued two Fatwahs declairing war against
> the United States. Any attempt by an American to do this would
violate
> the Neutrality acts.
>
> 3. Bin Ladden has publicly claimed credit for the attack on the USS
> Cole. Under international law a ship is soverign territory of the
> nation that owns it, so the deaths of the American Sailors occured
on
> US terrotory. Under our laws Bin Laden is a confessed Murderer. This
> was also an act of war, violating the Nerenburg protocols on waging
> aggressive war. Bin Laden is a confessed War Criminal.
>
> 4. We already have strong enough evidance to have indicted Bin Laden
> for the attacks on our Embassies in Africa. Under International law
> Embassies are the Soverign territory of the nation that owns them,
so
> we do have jurisdiction over this crime.
>
> We allready have enough on Bin Ladden to hang him WITHOUT the latest
> outrage, but a trial before US courts would be very dangrous to the
> Taliban as it would open the way for Taliban government offical to
be
> indicted for war crimes, so the Taliban has ignored ALL attempts to
> bring this self confessed Murderer to trail before last weeks
attacks.
>
> IF the Cuban Government presented the same level of evidance against
> the hypothetical terrorist it is allmost certain that he would
either
> be tried on capital charges in the US, or extradicted to Cuba.
>
> L. Sicinius Drusus
Well put, Drusus! The original allegory was clearly both superficial
and flawed, but I have decided not to respond to Limitanus's posts
anymore due to his consistent explicit bigotry (disappointing in
someone who is a University professor - I would expect better).
Thanks for speaking eloquently and specifically for those of us (or
at least, me) who choose not to acknowledge him. I agree
wholeheartedly, I don't believe we would ever harbour anyone guilty
of the crimes Bin Laden is admittedly guilty of.
Salve,
Rufus Iulius Palaeologus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Very important: manipulation by CNN |
| From: |
Lucilla Cornelia Cinna <CorneliaLucilla@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:26:29 +0200 |
|
Salve M. Octavi Germanice
Marcus Octavius Germanicus wrote:
>TALIBAN DELENDA EST
>
I am afraid any talib i.e. any one of the Taliban would assume you to be
killed for turning the "pure islamic" masculine plurale taliban into
some female simgular scum ... make it a "taliban delendi sunt".
Sorry, I just couldn't resist after having a close look at the site of
an Afghan organisation for women's rights (http://www.rawa.org/)
containing some useful information about who we should be after ans who
are the victims in any way. May the Gods be with them and us.
Bene vale!
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Stupid? Question. |
| From: |
amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:45:56 -0000 |
|
Salvete
> > IF the Cuban Government presented the same level of evidance
against
> > the hypothetical terrorist it is allmost certain that he would
> either
> > be tried on capital charges in the US, or extradicted to Cuba.
> > L. Sicinius Drusus
Although I am quite aceptic about USA+EU international policy, here I
must state that I believe that the US would in fact make a trial or
extradict the terrorist UNLESS some major secrets or military
operations of some sort were menaced by this trial or extradiction
(in this case I believe that the US administration would not
recognise the evidence =)).
But yes, I believe that in normal situations the US would behave
according to internal and international law, as they have already
shown in the case of the cuban kid that was kidnapped to the USA. I
confess I did not expect the US administration to behave in such an
impartial way, despite the contempt between US and Cuba, and despite
the great pressure made by the cuban community resident in the US.
And this I must indeed praise, although PERSONALLY I think that
current US administration led by President George Bush would not be
as impartial... But I can be biased. I think that we, the Europeans
always prefer the US administration of the Democrats as they seem to
be less nationalist/isolationist and less conservative, more prone to
see themselves as part of the world and more caring about
environmental problems.
Valete bene
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Oath of Office |
| From: |
Piteas@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:18:22 -0000 |
|
I, Gnaeus Salix Galaicus (Alejandro Carneiro), do hereby solemnly
swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gnaeus Salix Galaicus (Alejandro
Carneiro)
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings,
and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Gnaeus Salix Galaicus (Alejandro Carneiro) swear to uphold and
defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to
act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Gnaeus Salix Galaicus (Alejandro Carneiro) swear to protect and
defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.
I, Gnaeus Salix Galaicus (Alejandro Carneiro) further swear to
fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Aedilis Arenae
Hispanae to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Legatus Externis Rebus Hispaniae and all the
rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant
thereto.
Gnaeus Salix Galaicus
|
| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Very important: manipulation by CNN |
| From: |
"Matthew Hilliard-Pinkston" <Hilliam@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:21:52 -0400 |
|
Ave noble Citizens,
I don't place my trust in any media organization - they exist to make profit, not to spread truth - not my hometown paper (Germanicus, did you get my email about the Herald-Sun?), not Murdoch's empire, not even CNN.
Now, good people, don't misunderstand, I am not saying that it was not a hoax - what I am saying is that we can't know one way or the other. Call me a media-agnostic-haha. A reference to Bin Laden within the videotape is no proof (this was what the news exec from CNN was reported to have said was in the piece to "prove" that the footage was current). In fact, it reminds me of the time during the Tianamen (sp?) Square massacre in China, in '89 I think. Footage was shown of this neatly dressed man with a shopping bag on his arm who was standing directly in front of a whopping great tank. The tank would try to move around him, he would move to remain in front of it. The tank would move back the other way, he would match it, all the while carrying his little shopping bag on his arm and putting up his hand as if to demand the tank to stop. It was a symbol that needs no interpretation and stays with me to this day.
My point, dear patient citizens, is that the news segment was actually about news footage and reality, something like that, and the climax of the CBS news reporter's piece showed the footage again with the tank, making its moves to try to go round the fellow with his shopping bag, but....all of a sudden, the fellow was then digitized out of the scene (ostensibly by CBS editors) so BAM, you see no protester standing up to the military might of China, only the tank and the empty street. It was truly THE most powerful piece on the trustworthiness, or lack thereof, of any media.
So, have faith in your news outlet of choice, dear citizens, and remember, one person's "exposed hoax" is another person's smoke screen.
Matthew
Matthew Hilliard-Pinkston
Durham, NC
>>> germanicus@-------- Wednesday, September 19, 2001 8:16:19 AM >>>
Salvete;
Sorry, but that claim has already been exposed as an Internet hoax. See
http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/outrage/cnn.htm for details. The footage
shown on CNN was indeed genuine. (What angers me is that there wasn't any
footage of the Palestinians in Paterson NJ or Brooklyn NY celebrating, but
that's another story.)
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antonio Grilo [mailto:amg@--------]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:23 AM
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] Very important: manipulation by CNN
>
>
> Salvete
>
> This is the translation of an article in Spanish (at the bottom) about the
> CNN images in which the Palestinians appear celebrating the
> terrorist attack
> on the WTC.
>
> Valete
> Graecus
>
>
> *************************
> FOR READING ATTENTIOUSLY AND SPREAD THE CONTENT
> Subject: image manipulation by the CNN.
>
> CNN uses images from 1991 to provide information about "celebrations" for
> the terrorist attacks (summary of the note published in Indymedia Israel).
> In the world there are 3 or 4 big news agencies, and one of them - as you
> may know - is CNN.
> Well, I suppose that you have been seeing images of this agency.
> Some images
> in particular have called my attention, namely those of palestinians
> celebrating the attack, on the streets, eating sweets and doing comical
> faces to the cameras.
> Well, these images were recorded in 1991. These are the images of the
> palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait!.
> The use of these images by the CNN, which while not corresponding
> to reality
> aim to inform about a serious problem, is simply unacceptable. My teacher,
> here in Brasil, has the videos recorded in 1991, with the very
> same images;
> he has sent them in email to the CNN, Globo (the biggest Brasilian
> television company) and to the newspapers, denouncing this act which I
> classify as a crime against public opinion.
> Now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. This transmission
> has an high probability for creating waves of disgust and hate against the
> palestinians. It is absolutely irresponsible to show images like these.
>
> Marcio A. V. Carvalho
> State University of Campinas - Brasil
>
> ************************
> PARA LEER CON ATENCISN Y DIFUNDIR
>
> Asunto: Manipulacisn de imagenes por la CNN.
>
> La CNN utiliza imagenes de 1991 para informar de
> "celebraciones" por los atentados (Resumen de la nota
> publicada en indymedia Israel).
> En el mundo hay 3 o 4 grandes agencias de noticias, y
> una de ellas -como ya sabra- es la CNN.
> Muy bien, supongo que han estado viendo las imagenes
> de esta compaqma. En particular, me llamaron la
> atencisn las imagenes de los palestinos celebrando el
> ataque, en las calles, comiendo dulces y haciendo
> muecas csmicas a la camara.
> Bien, Esas IMAGENES son de 1991!!! son las
> imagenes de los palestinos que celebraban la invasisn
> de Kuwait!.
> Simplemente es inaceptable el uso que da la CNN a
> estas imagenes que no corresponden a la realidad
> mientras informan de un serio problema. Mi profesor,
> aqum en Brasil, tiene los vmdeos grabados en 1991, con
> las mismas imagenes; il ha enviado correos
> electrsnicos a la CNN, a O'Globo (la red de
> la TELEVISISN mayor de Brasil) y a los perisdicos,
> denunciando esto que clasifico como un crimen contra
> la opinisn pzblica.
> Ahora, piense por un momento sobre el impacto de
> tales imagenes. Esta transmisisn tiene una alta
> posibilidad de crear olas de enojo y rabia contra
> los palestinos. Es absolutamente irresponsable
> mostrar imagenes como estas.
>
> Marcio A. V. Carvalho
> Universidad Estatal de Campinas - Brasil
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Thankyou |
| From: |
"Appius Tullius Cato" <a.cato@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:39:35 -0400 |
|
Salvete Quirites: My family would like to say thankyou to those who expressed their condolences for the loss of Canadian lives and the loss of citizens from other nations who were in the World Trade Center complex. Together with the tragic loss of so many American lives, it is hard on us all, but together we shall overcome this and move on. Now we all must come together and re-build, give whatever assistance we are able to give, and support our military men in the terrible missions that they are going to take part in. We wish them all success, and pray that they will return home to us. We also pray that there will be as few innocent lives lost as possible. Our sincere thanks again to you all.
Valete, Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
Rogator, Novae Romae
Procurator, Provincia Canadae Orientalis
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Edictum Propraetoricium XXVIII about the appointment of a |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:24:13 +0200 |
|
Ex Officio Propraetoris Thulae
Edictum Propraetoricium XXVIII about the appointment of a Prolegatus
Regionis Islandica (Provisional Legati on Trial of the Icelandic Region)
It is a great pleasure for me, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, to appoint this
Honorable citizen to this position within Provincia Thule and the Cohors
Propraetoris (The Propraetorian Staff, Provincial Governament)! I, as a
Nova Roman citizen within the Provincia Thule, am proud to see the Gravitas
and Pietas this citizen shows!
I. Honorable Publius Candidianus Botius is hereby appointed as Prolegatus
Regionis Islandica, (Provisional Legati on Trial of the Icelandic Region).
II. Above appointed official is asked to observe that he are bound by the
"Approved Regula (Charter) for the Administration of Thule" as it was
published on the 15th of April 2001.
III. As an official of Provincia Thule they are asked to, within one week
of his appointment to swear the public oath shown on
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99191002.html
using both his Nova Roman name and withinparenthesis his macroworld (real)
name.
The Oath must be published on the NovaRomaThule List and the Nova Roma Roma
Main List!
IV. This edictum becomes effective immediately.
Given September 19th, in the year of the consulship of Flavius Vedius
Germanicus and Marcus Cassius Iulianus, 2754 AUC.
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Propraetor Thules
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
Accensus to Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus
The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an offical opinion of Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Congratulations to Honorable Gnaeus Salix Astur |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:54:10 +0200 |
|
>I, Gnaeus Salix Astur (Rodrigo Ħlvarez) further swear to fulfill the
>obligations and responsibilities of the office of Legatus Externis
>Rebus Hispaniae to the best of my abilities.
>
>On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
>and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
>accept the position of Legatus Externis Rebus Hispaniae and all the
>rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant
>thereto.
>
>
>=====
>Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
>Gnaeus Salix Astur.
>Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
>Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule.
Salve Amice!
I have been away a few days and now I find that You have taken another
heavy task on your shoulders. I am most pleased to see that You also will
lend some of your gifts to your beloved homeprovincia of Hispania. On the
behalf of Provinca Thule I congratulate You to your latest position of
confidence. I also congratulate our sisterprovince Hispania to this
appointment of one of its most able sons to become Legatus Externis Rebus
Hispaniae. We in Thule are honored that our friend Honorable Gnaeus Salix
Astur also takes of his valuable time to assist us!
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
Accensus to Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Very important: manipulation by CNN |
| From: |
"Nick R. Ramos Jr." <nramos@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:43:38 -0000 |
|
This particular letter was based on misinformation and propaganda. It
has been debunked already, both by the original writer and several
independent news organizations. I am merely stating the facts -
please note that the Palestinian Authority has confiscated tapes and
expelled journalists for covering the allegedly "false"
demonstrations.
Marius Cornelius Scipio
--- In novaroma@--------, "Antonio Grilo" <amg@c...> wrote:
> Salvete
>
> This is the translation of an article in Spanish (at the bottom)
about the
> CNN images in which the Palestinians appear celebrating the
terrorist attack
> on the WTC.
>
> Valete
> Graecus
>
>
> *************************
> FOR READING ATTENTIOUSLY AND SPREAD THE CONTENT
> Subject: image manipulation by the CNN.
>
> CNN uses images from 1991 to provide information
about "celebrations" for
> the terrorist attacks (summary of the note published in Indymedia
Israel).
> In the world there are 3 or 4 big news agencies, and one of them -
as you
> may know - is CNN.
> Well, I suppose that you have been seeing images of this agency.
Some images
> in particular have called my attention, namely those of palestinians
> celebrating the attack, on the streets, eating sweets and doing
comical
> faces to the cameras.
> Well, these images were recorded in 1991. These are the images of
the
> palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait!.
> The use of these images by the CNN, which while not corresponding
to reality
> aim to inform about a serious problem, is simply unacceptable. My
teacher,
> here in Brasil, has the videos recorded in 1991, with the very same
images;
> he has sent them in email to the CNN, Globo (the biggest Brasilian
> television company) and to the newspapers, denouncing this act
which I
> classify as a crime against public opinion.
> Now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. This
transmission
> has an high probability for creating waves of disgust and hate
against the
> palestinians. It is absolutely irresponsible to show images like
these.
>
> Marcio A. V. Carvalho
> State University of Campinas - Brasil
>
> ************************
> PARA LEER CON ATENCISN Y DIFUNDIR
>
> Asunto: Manipulacisn de imagenes por la CNN.
>
> La CNN utiliza imagenes de 1991 para informar de
> "celebraciones" por los atentados (Resumen de la nota
> publicada en indymedia Israel).
> En el mundo hay 3 o 4 grandes agencias de noticias, y
> una de ellas -como ya sabra- es la CNN.
> Muy bien, supongo que han estado viendo las imagenes
> de esta compaqma. En particular, me llamaron la
> atencisn las imagenes de los palestinos celebrando el
> ataque, en las calles, comiendo dulces y haciendo
> muecas csmicas a la camara.
> Bien, Esas IMAGENES son de 1991!!! son las
> imagenes de los palestinos que celebraban la invasisn
> de Kuwait!.
> Simplemente es inaceptable el uso que da la CNN a
> estas imagenes que no corresponden a la realidad
> mientras informan de un serio problema. Mi profesor,
> aqum en Brasil, tiene los vmdeos grabados en 1991, con
> las mismas imagenes; il ha enviado correos
> electrsnicos a la CNN, a O'Globo (la red de
> la TELEVISISN mayor de Brasil) y a los perisdicos,
> denunciando esto que clasifico como un crimen contra
> la opinisn pzblica.
> Ahora, piense por un momento sobre el impacto de
> tales imagenes. Esta transmisisn tiene una alta
> posibilidad de crear olas de enojo y rabia contra
> los palestinos. Es absolutamente irresponsable
> mostrar imagenes como estas.
>
> Marcio A. V. Carvalho
> Universidad Estatal de Campinas - Brasil
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
