| Subject: |
[novaroma] Roman music |
| From: |
"Marcus Flavius Aurelius" <marcus.flavius@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:07:34 +1100 |
|
I know this has probably been covered before, but I'm new.
Does anyone out there have any information about what kind of music existed in Rome? I'm curious.
Marcus Flavius Aurelius
Durovernium, Australia Orientalis Superior
marcus.flavius@--------
ICQ: 4895187
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Nova Roma |
| From: |
"CJ Sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 00:12:38 -0000 |
|
I seem to remember reading in the constitution somewhere that there
was an actual plot of land set aside for Nova Roma. Is this true?
If so, where is the real Nova Roma?
Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Roman music |
| From: |
"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <julilla@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 01:58:56 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, "Marcus Flavius Aurelius" <marcus.flavius@b...>
wrote:
> I know this has probably been covered before, but I'm new.
>
> Does anyone out there have any information about what kind of music
existed in Rome? I'm curious.
>
> Marcus Flavius Aurelius
> Durovernium, Australia Orientalis Superior
> marcus.flavius@--------
> ICQ: 4895187
Salve, Marce! Here is a page on Synaulia, a group that attempts to
recreate Roman music from archaeological resources. I have listened
to it while enjoying a wonderful Roman repast, and it's interesting,
to say the least!
http://www.amiatamedia.com/eng/series/ma/pages/ar1396.htm
---
cura et valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| http://julilla.tripod.com/
Daily Life in Ancient Rome
@____@ julilla@--------
||||
Pergratum est te convenire, Marce! (I am pleased to meet you) and
welcome to Nova Roma!
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Nova Roma |
| From: |
"Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 02:51:05 -0000 |
|
Salve,
As yet, Nova Roma does not in fact own any land. We have stated goals
of eventually owning a 108 acre "cultural world capital" in the
future, but so far there has been no money to put toward such a
project.
There was some in-depth discussion about obtaining land just a few
months ago, (seems like longer!)where other "intermediate" options
were considered. In my opinion the most reasonable was buying a very
inexpensive "starter" piece of land, a place that we could put up a
flag and perhaps a monument/park, and make use of for publicity
purposes. Just because we have a stated goal of 108 acres for
a "capital" doesn't mean we can't start smaller!
Land will probably end up being a difficult issue for us. It will be
very hard for many hundreds of people to agree to spend money on a
place where only a tiny minority of them are likely to be able to
ever visit. No matter what land comes available, there will likely
always be a majority of people who will find it inconvenient, or
against whatever personal dream they have had for land. (If they even
want land at all. Some have stated that it's a waste of our time and
money!)
My personal vision of land goes like this:
Near future - buying a ridiculously cheap piece of land somewhere,
even if it's in the middle of nowhere. Some of our Citizens visit it
now and again, put up a flag, we make a nice little park with flowers
and some sort of monument, take lots of pictures, and put up the info
on the website. What a great way to prove to the world we have real
world intent (and organization!) This could be done for only a few
thousand and could gain us years of increased publicity.
Farther future - As our local provinciae grow, we obtain "local"
pieces of land. These wouldn't have to be terribly big... just a
place where a "Roman outpost" could be put up for folks to gather at
events/classes, etc. (Or, even more cool, a location with a few
legions get together and build a Roman style fort...) Obviously,
anything including buildings (bought or built) requires a far greater
financial/organizational burden. We don't have that kind of resources
now at mere thousand Citizens, but we might at say, 15,000.
Ultimate future: we buy (or are gifted with!) 108 contiguous acres of
land, on which we build a "cultural capital", perhaps in the form of
a Roman forum with governmental/religious/business facilities. This
would be a Classical equivalent of the micronation which exists in
Vatican City. Obviously, this would be a project requiring millions
of dollars. I don't expect to see it happen in my lifetime. However,
the plan is there and something to keep in mind for the years ahead.
If I really had my personal choice we'd buy an island somewhere. The
discussion of land a few months ago was started when it was found
that there are islands, (some fairly large) selling for only $35,000
US or so. Less than the average price of a home in the US with no
land at all!
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Consul
--- In novaroma@--------, "CJ Sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> wrote:
> I seem to remember reading in the constitution somewhere that there
> was an actual plot of land set aside for Nova Roma. Is this true?
> If so, where is the real Nova Roma?
>
> Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma |
| From: |
"Gaius Cornelius Publicus" <gaius-cornelius-publicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:09:12 -0700 |
|
Okay, not meaning to rekindle the previous, ah, message thread in all it's,
ah, "intensity" but what about a working piece of land?
I am looking into some places to move to myself (mainly vineyards and
farms). I did find a working ranch that is a prime example of the types of
land I am looking at, I'll post it because, as a Vegan I am not about to
pursue a cattle ranch. :-) The realtor site is here:
http://www.wolfnw.com/Indiancreek.html
Prime benefit to a place like this is that fact that there is all manner of
infrastructure in place and the land already makes an income.
As far as ridiculously cheap land...well I have found 14 acre sites in
Oregon for as little as $30k - this is typically light forest (unsuitable
for logging) and is usually at least 30 miles from any good sized city.
Anyway, just a thought.
Publicus
-----Original Message-----
From: Marcus Cassius Julianus <cassius622@-------->
To: novaroma@-------- <novaroma@-------->
Date: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:51 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma
>Salve,
>
>As yet, Nova Roma does not in fact own any land. We have stated goals
>of eventually owning a 108 acre "cultural world capital" in the
>future, but so far there has been no money to put toward such a
>project.
>
>There was some in-depth discussion about obtaining land just a few
>months ago, (seems like longer!)where other "intermediate" options
>were considered. In my opinion the most reasonable was buying a very
>inexpensive "starter" piece of land, a place that we could put up a
>flag and perhaps a monument/park, and make use of for publicity
>purposes. Just because we have a stated goal of 108 acres for
>a "capital" doesn't mean we can't start smaller!
>
>Land will probably end up being a difficult issue for us. It will be
>very hard for many hundreds of people to agree to spend money on a
>place where only a tiny minority of them are likely to be able to
>ever visit. No matter what land comes available, there will likely
>always be a majority of people who will find it inconvenient, or
>against whatever personal dream they have had for land. (If they even
>want land at all. Some have stated that it's a waste of our time and
>money!)
>
>My personal vision of land goes like this:
>
>Near future - buying a ridiculously cheap piece of land somewhere,
>even if it's in the middle of nowhere. Some of our Citizens visit it
>now and again, put up a flag, we make a nice little park with flowers
>and some sort of monument, take lots of pictures, and put up the info
>on the website. What a great way to prove to the world we have real
>world intent (and organization!) This could be done for only a few
>thousand and could gain us years of increased publicity.
>
>Farther future - As our local provinciae grow, we obtain "local"
>pieces of land. These wouldn't have to be terribly big... just a
>place where a "Roman outpost" could be put up for folks to gather at
>events/classes, etc. (Or, even more cool, a location with a few
>legions get together and build a Roman style fort...) Obviously,
>anything including buildings (bought or built) requires a far greater
>financial/organizational burden. We don't have that kind of resources
>now at mere thousand Citizens, but we might at say, 15,000.
>
>Ultimate future: we buy (or are gifted with!) 108 contiguous acres of
>land, on which we build a "cultural capital", perhaps in the form of
>a Roman forum with governmental/religious/business facilities. This
>would be a Classical equivalent of the micronation which exists in
>Vatican City. Obviously, this would be a project requiring millions
>of dollars. I don't expect to see it happen in my lifetime. However,
>the plan is there and something to keep in mind for the years ahead.
>
>If I really had my personal choice we'd buy an island somewhere. The
>discussion of land a few months ago was started when it was found
>that there are islands, (some fairly large) selling for only $35,000
>US or so. Less than the average price of a home in the US with no
>land at all!
>
>
>Valete,
>
>Marcus Cassius Julianus
>Consul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- In novaroma@--------, "CJ Sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> wrote:
>> I seem to remember reading in the constitution somewhere that there
>> was an actual plot of land set aside for Nova Roma. Is this true?
>> If so, where is the real Nova Roma?
>>
>> Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Nova Roma |
| From: |
"Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:48:18 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, "Gaius Cornelius Publicus" <gaius-cornelius-
publicus@--------> wrote:
> Okay, not meaning to rekindle the previous, ah, message thread in
all it's, ah, "intensity" but what about a working piece of land?
>
Cassius:
I grew up in "farm country", and it seems to me that a "working"
piece of land would merely be adding new responsibilites and
headaches to the mix.
Working a farm is an expensive and labor intensive process. We'd have
to have a good deal of money to invest beyond the cost of purchasing
the land, even if we bought an already existing farm. We'd also have
to have a a large pool of labor - or a VAST pool of labor if we
wanted an "authentic Roman Farm" as at least three Civies have
suggested. I've got a whole "Why a farm is not a good idea" rant if
anyone really wants to hear it, but I'll stop here for now.
Nova Roma would gain a lot of publicity just from owning ANY land,
even if we decide not to make our first "physical manifestation" a
working project.
> I am looking into some places to move to myself (mainly vineyards
and farms). I did find a working ranch that is a prime example of
the types of land I am looking at, I'll post it because, as a Vegan I
am not about to pursue a cattle ranch. :-) The realtor site is here:
> http://www.wolfnw.com/Indiancreek.html
>
> Prime benefit to a place like this is that fact that there is all
manner of infrastructure in place and the land already makes an
income.
Cassius:
Of course, the land also costs Eight MILLION dillars. For only one
Million, (which we still don't have) we could have purchased a 100
mile across island off the coast of Australia... and that had some
infrastructure on it too.
>
> As far as ridiculously cheap land...well I have found 14 acre sites
in Oregon for as little as $30k - this is typically light forest
(unsuitable for logging) and is usually at least 30 miles from any
good sized city.
Cassius:
The first piece of land proposed, "Eagle Island", was something like
35 acres going for about $35,000 US. There were 100 acre lots in
Texas going for about the same price. Both the Island and the Texas
land were out of the way not easily used for live NR gatherings, but
would have made wonderful publicity for us. (Not that we have $35,000
either!)
Again, land will be a difficult prospect for us. Even if we were to
pool say, $35,000 in the next five years, the chances of a majority
of us agreeing on any one location are slim indeed. It is difficult
to think of any place in the world where a majrity of the Citizens
wouldn't feel they were being cheated out of their money by not being
able to "use" the land.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: America |
| From: |
Tal123berg@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 02:04:50 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites; et salve, Marcus.
>
>
> Allowing a fascist dictator to rule for around 40 years does not
seem
> to coincide with my definition of "wiping out". Franco's regime was
so
> negative for Spain because of that; it meant the exclusion of Spain
> from international circles (particularly from the European scene),
but
> it also meant that Spain was "safe" from Communism (no Marshall plan
> needed here), and that it was out of the competition for
international
> economic preponderance (good for other European nations as well).
>
> All that is history now, and I am a firm believer that we should not
> blame today's men for the faults of their grandparents. But if we
start
> to wave around the Marshall paln debt, I thought I should make clear
> that not ALL of Western Europe benefited from it.
>
>
> =====
> Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
> Gnaeus Salix Astur.
> Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
> Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
> Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule.
>
Salve Gnaee!
All I wanted to point out is that there were good reasons for
President Truman, the tru(e) architect of the Marshall Plan, not to
include Spain "at the time" in this effort to fill the existing
dollar gap and to rebuild the European industry base. Someone else
already pointed out that the attitude towards Franco changed over
time.
But with this ongoing debate here drifting ever farther away from the
established list policy, let us take a look at how Roma antiqua would
have treated something like the terrible terrorist events of
September 11th (our Western societies take some pride in having their
cultural roots in Roma antiqua (and Grecia for that matter)). This is
for instance how Sulla reacted to the Mass murder of Italian citizens
in Asia minor and the non cooperating Athens.
Here is a recount of what the fabled Sulla did to that city:
"When they had thrown down the wall, and made all level betwixt the
Piraic and Sacred Gate, about midnight Sylla entered the breach, with
all the terrors of trumpets and cornets sounding, with the triumphant
shout and cry of an army let loose to spoil and slaughter, and
scouring through the streets with swords drawn. There was no
numbering the slain; the amount is to this day conjectured only from
the space of ground overflowed with blood. For without mentioning the
execution done in other quarters of the city, the blood that was shed
about the market-place spread over the whole Ceramicus within the
Double-gate, and, according to most writers, passed through the gate
and overflowed the suburb. Nor did the multitudes which fell thus
exceed the number of those who, out of pity and love for their
country which they believed was now finally to perish, slew
themselves; the best of them, through despair of their country's
surviving, dreading themselves to survive, expecting neither humanity
nor moderation in Sylla."
The US has so far been prudent und humane in its response and I have
to congratulate them for it. I must say personally I did not think
that President Bush had this in him (although to have called for
a "crusade" is outright stupidity and plays into the hands of the
terrorists).
The US now has the sympathy and support of the whole civilised world
(including most muslim countries). It should stay on course and not
risk it by steering into the waters of:
"I believe in the brotherhood of man, all men, but I don't believe in
brotherhood with anybody who doesn't want brotherhood with me. I
believe in treating people right, but I'm not going to waste my time
trying to treat somebody right who doesn't know how to return the
treatment."
This smacks too much of a Sulla way of thinking and it would in my
unlearned judgement be a tragedy if the US took this as a model for
its policies.
Marcus Heinz (Marcus Marcius Rex)
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] NR Territory |
| From: |
"Marcus Flavius Aurelius" <marcus.flavius@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:24:57 +1100 |
|
Or alternately, NR cives could just declare the land they currently own to
be under NR sovereignty, couldn't we?
Marcus Flavius Aurelius
Durovernium, Australia Orientalis Superior
marcus.flavius@--------
ICQ: 4895187
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcus Cassius Julianus <cassius622@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:51 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma
> Salve,
>
> As yet, Nova Roma does not in fact own any land. We have stated goals
> of eventually owning a 108 acre "cultural world capital" in the
> future, but so far there has been no money to put toward such a
> project.
>
> There was some in-depth discussion about obtaining land just a few
> months ago, (seems like longer!)where other "intermediate" options
> were considered. In my opinion the most reasonable was buying a very
> inexpensive "starter" piece of land, a place that we could put up a
> flag and perhaps a monument/park, and make use of for publicity
> purposes. Just because we have a stated goal of 108 acres for
> a "capital" doesn't mean we can't start smaller!
>
> Land will probably end up being a difficult issue for us. It will be
> very hard for many hundreds of people to agree to spend money on a
> place where only a tiny minority of them are likely to be able to
> ever visit. No matter what land comes available, there will likely
> always be a majority of people who will find it inconvenient, or
> against whatever personal dream they have had for land. (If they even
> want land at all. Some have stated that it's a waste of our time and
> money!)
>
> My personal vision of land goes like this:
>
> Near future - buying a ridiculously cheap piece of land somewhere,
> even if it's in the middle of nowhere. Some of our Citizens visit it
> now and again, put up a flag, we make a nice little park with flowers
> and some sort of monument, take lots of pictures, and put up the info
> on the website. What a great way to prove to the world we have real
> world intent (and organization!) This could be done for only a few
> thousand and could gain us years of increased publicity.
>
> Farther future - As our local provinciae grow, we obtain "local"
> pieces of land. These wouldn't have to be terribly big... just a
> place where a "Roman outpost" could be put up for folks to gather at
> events/classes, etc. (Or, even more cool, a location with a few
> legions get together and build a Roman style fort...) Obviously,
> anything including buildings (bought or built) requires a far greater
> financial/organizational burden. We don't have that kind of resources
> now at mere thousand Citizens, but we might at say, 15,000.
>
> Ultimate future: we buy (or are gifted with!) 108 contiguous acres of
> land, on which we build a "cultural capital", perhaps in the form of
> a Roman forum with governmental/religious/business facilities. This
> would be a Classical equivalent of the micronation which exists in
> Vatican City. Obviously, this would be a project requiring millions
> of dollars. I don't expect to see it happen in my lifetime. However,
> the plan is there and something to keep in mind for the years ahead.
>
> If I really had my personal choice we'd buy an island somewhere. The
> discussion of land a few months ago was started when it was found
> that there are islands, (some fairly large) selling for only $35,000
> US or so. Less than the average price of a home in the US with no
> land at all!
>
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
> Consul
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In novaroma@--------, "CJ Sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> wrote:
> > I seem to remember reading in the constitution somewhere that there
> > was an actual plot of land set aside for Nova Roma. Is this true?
> > If so, where is the real Nova Roma?
> >
> > Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] "Land Bill" for Nova Roma |
| From: |
"Javier Augusto Gil-Ruiz Gil-Esparza" <javier_gil_ruiz@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:19:45 -0000 |
|
Salve, cives.
When reading the proposals about buying land for our micronation, I
couldn't but think that the ideal choice would be to purchase land
that is somehow connected to ancient rome.
Maybe a plot of land that contains small ruins (such as those of a
house) would present legal difficulties, but it should not be
difficult or expensive at all to buy land vith a superb view of an
aqueduct or, for example, the superb remnants of Segóbriga. This way
we would have the opportunity to somehow combine or own memorial with
the ancient roman spirit.
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Marcus Salix Saverius
--- In novaroma@--------, "Gaius Cornelius Publicus" <gaius-cornelius-
publicus@--------> wrote:
> Okay, not meaning to rekindle the previous, ah, message thread in
all it's,
> ah, "intensity" but what about a working piece of land?
>
> I am looking into some places to move to myself (mainly vineyards
and
> farms). I did find a working ranch that is a prime example of the
types of
> land I am looking at, I'll post it because, as a Vegan I am not
about to
> pursue a cattle ranch. :-) The realtor site is here:
> http://www.wolfnw.com/Indiancreek.html
>
> Prime benefit to a place like this is that fact that there is all
manner of
> infrastructure in place and the land already makes an income.
>
> As far as ridiculously cheap land...well I have found 14 acre sites
in
> Oregon for as little as $30k - this is typically light forest
(unsuitable
> for logging) and is usually at least 30 miles from any good sized
city.
>
> Anyway, just a thought.
>
> Publicus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: M--------s C--------us Juli-------- <c--------us622@-------->
> To: novaroma@-------- <novaroma@-------->
> Date: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:51 PM
> Subject: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma
>
>
> >Salve,
> >
> >As yet, Nova Roma does not in fact own any land. We have stated
goals
> >of eventually owning a 108 acre "cultural world capital" in the
> >future, but so far there has been no money to put toward such a
> >project.
> >
> >There was some in-depth discussion about obtaining land just a few
> >months ago, (seems like longer!)where other "intermediate" options
> >were considered. In my opinion the most reasonable was buying a
very
> >inexpensive "starter" piece of land, a place that we could put up a
> >flag and perhaps a monument/park, and make use of for publicity
> >purposes. Just because we have a stated goal of 108 acres for
> >a "capital" doesn't mean we can't start smaller!
> >
> >Land will probably end up being a difficult issue for us. It will
be
> >very hard for many hundreds of people to agree to spend money on a
> >place where only a tiny minority of them are likely to be able to
> >ever visit. No matter what land comes available, there will likely
> >always be a majority of people who will find it inconvenient, or
> >against whatever personal dream they have had for land. (If they
even
> >want land at all. Some have stated that it's a waste of our time
and
> >money!)
> >
> >My personal vision of land goes like this:
> >
> >Near future - buying a ridiculously cheap piece of land somewhere,
> >even if it's in the middle of nowhere. Some of our Citizens visit
it
> >now and again, put up a flag, we make a nice little park with
flowers
> >and some sort of monument, take lots of pictures, and put up the
info
> >on the website. What a great way to prove to the world we have real
> >world intent (and organization!) This could be done for only a few
> >thousand and could gain us years of increased publicity.
> >
> >Farther future - As our local provinciae grow, we obtain "local"
> >pieces of land. These wouldn't have to be terribly big... just a
> >place where a "Roman outpost" could be put up for folks to gather
at
> >events/classes, etc. (Or, even more cool, a location with a few
> >legions get together and build a Roman style fort...) Obviously,
> >anything including buildings (bought or built) requires a far
greater
> >financial/organizational burden. We don't have that kind of
resources
> >now at mere thousand Citizens, but we might at say, 15,000.
> >
> >Ultimate future: we buy (or are gifted with!) 108 contiguous acres
of
> >land, on which we build a "cultural capital", perhaps in the form
of
> >a Roman forum with governmental/religious/business facilities. This
> >would be a Classical equivalent of the micronation which exists in
> >Vatican City. Obviously, this would be a project requiring millions
> >of dollars. I don't expect to see it happen in my lifetime.
However,
> >the plan is there and something to keep in mind for the years
ahead.
> >
> >If I really had my personal choice we'd buy an island somewhere.
The
> >discussion of land a few months ago was started when it was found
> >that there are islands, (some fairly large) selling for only
$35,000
> >US or so. Less than the average price of a home in the US with no
> >land at all!
> >
> >
> >Valete,
> >
> >Marcus Cassius Julianus
> >Consul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In novaroma@--------, "CJ Sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> wrote:
> >> I seem to remember reading in the constitution somewhere that
there
> >> was an actual plot of land set aside for Nova Roma. Is this
true?
> >> If so, where is the real Nova Roma?
> >>
> >> Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Good bye |
| From: |
laurentibusnova@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:55:08 -0000 |
|
Salvete omnes,
After writing to our consules to announce my resignation as Rogator
for personnal reasons, it is my sad duty today to let you all know,
friends and challenging opponents that I cannot be part of this great
organisation any more. I will be back some day when time and duty
allow. In the mean time I would be grateful if the censores could
remove my name from the family album and nominate Messala as
paterfamilias of the gens Moravia.
I wish you all to find peace and concordia in these troubled times
but my heart is heavy to see so many harsh words exchanged between
our own people in this time of need. May the gods guide you towards
wisdom and forgiveness.
Optime Valete
Cornelius Moravius Laurentibus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] "Land Bill" for Nova Roma |
| From: |
"Matthew Hilliard-Pinkston" <Hilliam@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 08:30:30 -0400 |
|
Salve, cives,
I don't mean this as sarcastic as it may sound, but land in the old Yugoslavia might be cheap. Seriously, if I remember correctly, wasn't the land across the Adriatic filled with villas of the emperors and summer (or was it winter?) resorts?
Not sure about how many ruins would be there though...
Matthew
Matthew Hilliard-Pinkston
Durham, NC
>>> javier_gil_ruiz@-------- Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:19:45 AM >>>
Salve, cives.
When reading the proposals about buying land for our micronation, I
couldn't but think that the ideal choice would be to purchase land
that is somehow connected to ancient rome.
Maybe a plot of land that contains small ruins (such as those of a
house) would present legal difficulties, but it should not be
difficult or expensive at all to buy land vith a superb view of an
aqueduct or, for example, the superb remnants of Segóbriga. This way
we would have the opportunity to somehow combine or own memorial with
the ancient roman spirit.
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Marcus Salix Saverius
--- In novaroma@--------, "Gaius Cornelius Publicus" <gaius-cornelius-
publicus@--------> wrote:
> Okay, not meaning to rekindle the previous, ah, message thread in
all it's,
> ah, "intensity" but what about a working piece of land?
>
> I am looking into some places to move to myself (mainly vineyards
and
> farms). I did find a working ranch that is a prime example of the
types of
> land I am looking at, I'll post it because, as a Vegan I am not
about to
> pursue a cattle ranch. :-) The realtor site is here:
> http://www.wolfnw.com/Indiancreek.html
>
> Prime benefit to a place like this is that fact that there is all
manner of
> infrastructure in place and the land already makes an income.
>
> As far as ridiculously cheap land...well I have found 14 acre sites
in
> Oregon for as little as $30k - this is typically light forest
(unsuitable
> for logging) and is usually at least 30 miles from any good sized
city.
>
> Anyway, just a thought.
>
> Publicus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: M--------s C--------us Juli-------- <c--------us622@-------->
> To: novaroma@-------- <novaroma@-------->
> Date: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:51 PM
> Subject: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma
>
>
> >Salve,
> >
> >As yet, Nova Roma does not in fact own any land. We have stated
goals
> >of eventually owning a 108 acre "cultural world capital" in the
> >future, but so far there has been no money to put toward such a
> >project.
> >
> >There was some in-depth discussion about obtaining land just a few
> >months ago, (seems like longer!)where other "intermediate" options
> >were considered. In my opinion the most reasonable was buying a
very
> >inexpensive "starter" piece of land, a place that we could put up a
> >flag and perhaps a monument/park, and make use of for publicity
> >purposes. Just because we have a stated goal of 108 acres for
> >a "capital" doesn't mean we can't start smaller!
> >
> >Land will probably end up being a difficult issue for us. It will
be
> >very hard for many hundreds of people to agree to spend money on a
> >place where only a tiny minority of them are likely to be able to
> >ever visit. No matter what land comes available, there will likely
> >always be a majority of people who will find it inconvenient, or
> >against whatever personal dream they have had for land. (If they
even
> >want land at all. Some have stated that it's a waste of our time
and
> >money!)
> >
> >My personal vision of land goes like this:
> >
> >Near future - buying a ridiculously cheap piece of land somewhere,
> >even if it's in the middle of nowhere. Some of our Citizens visit
it
> >now and again, put up a flag, we make a nice little park with
flowers
> >and some sort of monument, take lots of pictures, and put up the
info
> >on the website. What a great way to prove to the world we have real
> >world intent (and organization!) This could be done for only a few
> >thousand and could gain us years of increased publicity.
> >
> >Farther future - As our local provinciae grow, we obtain "local"
> >pieces of land. These wouldn't have to be terribly big... just a
> >place where a "Roman outpost" could be put up for folks to gather
at
> >events/classes, etc. (Or, even more cool, a location with a few
> >legions get together and build a Roman style fort...) Obviously,
> >anything including buildings (bought or built) requires a far
greater
> >financial/organizational burden. We don't have that kind of
resources
> >now at mere thousand Citizens, but we might at say, 15,000.
> >
> >Ultimate future: we buy (or are gifted with!) 108 contiguous acres
of
> >land, on which we build a "cultural capital", perhaps in the form
of
> >a Roman forum with governmental/religious/business facilities. This
> >would be a Classical equivalent of the micronation which exists in
> >Vatican City. Obviously, this would be a project requiring millions
> >of dollars. I don't expect to see it happen in my lifetime.
However,
> >the plan is there and something to keep in mind for the years
ahead.
> >
> >If I really had my personal choice we'd buy an island somewhere.
The
> >discussion of land a few months ago was started when it was found
> >that there are islands, (some fairly large) selling for only
$35,000
> >US or so. Less than the average price of a home in the US with no
> >land at all!
> >
> >
> >Valete,
> >
> >Marcus Cassius Julianus
> >Consul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In novaroma@--------, "CJ Sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> wrote:
> >> I seem to remember reading in the constitution somewhere that
there
> >> was an actual plot of land set aside for Nova Roma. Is this
true?
> >> If so, where is the real Nova Roma?
> >>
> >> Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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| Subject: |
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20=5Bnovaroma=5D=20=22Land=20Bill=22=20for=20Nova=20Roma?= |
| From: |
tiberius.ann@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 16:32:28 +0200 |
|
Salvete quirites,
With growing interest I have read the mails about land for NR. As a result
I have taken the liberty to ask around in the provincia germaniae superioris,
if anybody knew about something that could do.
I understand if some people want to own land in the States, but I personally
believe, that at least some land in every province or in parts of the world
which were under roman rule would bring lots of people from these parts
into NR.
I will keep you updated if someone finds something. Please answer no matter
if you agree with my view or not, but I find it unnerving to write mails
to a list of many hundred people and nobody writes back.
Valete from Basilea, Germania Superior, Tiberius Annaeus Otho
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] NR Territory |
| From: |
mark zona <pitdog2002@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 07:25:50 -0700 (PDT) |
|
> > If I really had my personal choice we'd buy an
> island somewhere. The
> > discussion of land a few months ago was started
> when it was found
> > that there are islands, (some fairly large)
> selling for only $35,000
> > US or so. Less than the average price of a home in
> the US with no
> > land at all!
> >
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Marcus Cassius Julianus
> > Consul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
Salve!
I feel that I must say this because many of us could
probably sell a sports car or sell a few stocks and
come up with $35,000 to buy such an island.
Extreme caution must be excersiced in any such
purchase that involves 'large' islands selling very
cheap. Many of these islands are sandbars. If I recall
my geology correctly, sandbars are formed as sediments
are carried by ocean currents and deposited one on top
of the other until they break surface and form
islands. They have been very popular as places to
build second homes and such. The problem is they
quickly errode and are easily completely and totally
submerged once a hurricane passes thru them. Sandbars
have a very unpredictable life span. They can last a
few years or 100 years, but inevitably they will
vanish due to erosion and catastrophy.
Not all islands for sale are sandbars I am sure. But
before purchase, one must consult a geologist to
determine the form of such an island. Many of these
islands have been purchased in the past, and these
islands no longer exist. That is why these islands are
so cheap.
Once again, I only say this because the purchase of
such an island ($35,000) is very feasable, so I feel
extreme caution must be excersized.
Valete!
Zeno
Not all islands are sandbars, but many are, especially
the onces selling very cheap.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: NR Territory |
| From: |
"Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:28:22 -0000 |
|
Salve,
Yes, we have made provision for our Citizens to consider their land
to be "Roman territory" if they wish. However that is a private
attempt to manifest sovereignty rather than an official one.
Obviously the land that our Citizens own is theirs, and not
officially anything connected with Nova Roma.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
--- In novaroma@--------, "Marcus Flavius Aurelius" <marcus.flavius@b...>
wrote:
> Or alternately, NR cives could just declare the land they currently
own to
> be under NR sovereignty, couldn't we?
>
> Marcus Flavius Aurelius
> Durovernium, Australia Orientalis Superior
> marcus.flavius@--------
> ICQ: 4895187
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: M--------s C--------us Juli-------- <c--------us622@-------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:51 PM
> Subject: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma
>
>
> > Salve,
> >
> > As yet, Nova Roma does not in fact own any land. We have stated
goals
> > of eventually owning a 108 acre "cultural world capital" in the
> > future, but so far there has been no money to put toward such a
> > project.
> >
> > There was some in-depth discussion about obtaining land just a few
> > months ago, (seems like longer!)where other "intermediate"
options
> > were considered. In my opinion the most reasonable was buying a
very
> > inexpensive "starter" piece of land, a place that we could put up
a
> > flag and perhaps a monument/park, and make use of for publicity
> > purposes. Just because we have a stated goal of 108 acres for
> > a "capital" doesn't mean we can't start smaller!
> >
> > Land will probably end up being a difficult issue for us. It will
be
> > very hard for many hundreds of people to agree to spend money on a
> > place where only a tiny minority of them are likely to be able to
> > ever visit. No matter what land comes available, there will likely
> > always be a majority of people who will find it inconvenient, or
> > against whatever personal dream they have had for land. (If they
even
> > want land at all. Some have stated that it's a waste of our time
and
> > money!)
> >
> > My personal vision of land goes like this:
> >
> > Near future - buying a ridiculously cheap piece of land somewhere,
> > even if it's in the middle of nowhere. Some of our Citizens visit
it
> > now and again, put up a flag, we make a nice little park with
flowers
> > and some sort of monument, take lots of pictures, and put up the
info
> > on the website. What a great way to prove to the world we have
real
> > world intent (and organization!) This could be done for only a few
> > thousand and could gain us years of increased publicity.
> >
> > Farther future - As our local provinciae grow, we obtain "local"
> > pieces of land. These wouldn't have to be terribly big... just a
> > place where a "Roman outpost" could be put up for folks to gather
at
> > events/classes, etc. (Or, even more cool, a location with a few
> > legions get together and build a Roman style fort...) Obviously,
> > anything including buildings (bought or built) requires a far
greater
> > financial/organizational burden. We don't have that kind of
resources
> > now at mere thousand Citizens, but we might at say, 15,000.
> >
> > Ultimate future: we buy (or are gifted with!) 108 contiguous
acres of
> > land, on which we build a "cultural capital", perhaps in the form
of
> > a Roman forum with governmental/religious/business facilities.
This
> > would be a Classical equivalent of the micronation which exists in
> > Vatican City. Obviously, this would be a project requiring
millions
> > of dollars. I don't expect to see it happen in my lifetime.
However,
> > the plan is there and something to keep in mind for the years
ahead.
> >
> > If I really had my personal choice we'd buy an island somewhere.
The
> > discussion of land a few months ago was started when it was found
> > that there are islands, (some fairly large) selling for only
$35,000
> > US or so. Less than the average price of a home in the US with no
> > land at all!
> >
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Marcus Cassius Julianus
> > Consul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In novaroma@--------, "CJ Sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> wrote:
> > > I seem to remember reading in the constitution somewhere that
there
> > > was an actual plot of land set aside for Nova Roma. Is this
true?
> > > If so, where is the real Nova Roma?
> > >
> > > Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Changing the Constitution IV: The Tribunate |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:35:49 -0400 |
|
Salvete omnes;
As promised, here is the latest draft of the Constitutional amendment to
reform the Tribunate, bringing it more in line with historical practice. The
Senate has gone over the matter in some detail, and this draft seems to be
acceptable to that body as a whole. I present it here as a final draft for
review. If anyone sees any particular flaws, errors in language, etc. please
present them now; it's always good to have many sets of eyes looking at
things such as this before it gets presented in final (and unchangable) form
for a vote.
I intend to call the Comitia Centuriata for the vote the first week of
October. I would ask our rogatores and Curator Araneum to let me know if
that plan presents any insoluable problems of scheduling on their part.
(Final drafts of the first three amendment proposals were sent to this list
several weeks ago.)
-----
Lex Vedia de Tribuni
I. This lex is hereby enacted to bring the institution of the Tribunate as
it is realized in Nova Roma closer to that of Roma Antiqua, and to alter the
Constitution and other official documents accordingly.
II. Paragraph IV.A.7. of the Constitution is hereby altered to read as
follows:
] 7. Tribuni Plebis (Tribune of the Plebs). Five tribunes of the
] plebs shall be elected by the comitia plebis tributa to
] serve a term lasting one year. They must all be of the
] plebeian order, and shall have the following honors,
] powers, and obligations:
] a. To pronounce intercessio (intercession; a veto) against
] the actions of any other magistrate (with the exception
] of the dictator and the interrex), Senatus consulta,
] magisterial edicta, religious decreta, and leges passed
] by the comitia when the spirit and/or letter of this
] Constitution or legally-enacted edicta or decreta,
] Senatus Consulta, or leges are being violated thereby;
] 1. Once a pronouncement of intercessio has been made,
] the other Tribunes may, at their discretion, state
] either their support for or their disagreement with
] that intercessio.
] i. Each Tribune may issue only one such declaration
] of support or disagreement, but may change their
] declaration from one to the other, should they wish
] to do so.
] ii. The initial pronouncement of intercessio by a
] Tribune shall count as that Tribune's declaration
] of agreement.
] iii. Should the number or the Tribunes who choose to
] disagree with an intercessio equal or exceed
] the number of Tribunes who choose to support it,
] the intercessio shall be revoked.
] 2. Intercessio may not be imposed against statements of
] support for or disagreement with a use of intercessio
] that are issued pursuant to the preceding paragraph.
] 3. The issuance and function of Intercessio shall be defined
] according to procedures described by legislation passed
] by Comitia.
] b. To pronounce intercessio (intercession; a veto) against
] another Tribune using the same mechanism as described in
] paragraph IV.A.7.a.1. above;
] c. To be immune from intercessio pronounced by other
] magistrates, except as described in paragraphs IV.A.7.a.
] and IV.A.7.b. above;
] d. To be privy to the debates of the Senate, and keep the
] citizens informed as to the subjects and results thereof,
] in such manner and subject to such restrictions as may be
] defined by law;
] e. To call the Senate to order;
] f. To call the comitia plebis tributa to order;
] g. To administer the law;
] h. To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative
] and other tasks, as they shall see fit.
III. Pending the ratification of the Amendment to the Constitution by the
Senate, any leges, magisterial edicta, or other official documents which
refer to there being only two Tribunes are hereby amended to include the
increased number.
-----
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: "Land Bill" for Nova Roma |
| From: |
"Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:46:26 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, "Javier Augusto Gil-Ruiz Gil-Esparza"
<javier_gil_ruiz@--------> wrote:
>
>
>
> Salve, cives.
>
> When reading the proposals about buying land for our micronation, I
> couldn't but think that the ideal choice would be to purchase land
> that is somehow connected to ancient rome.
Cassius:
That would certainly be nice, if possible. There are a lot of factors
to consider of cours - including prices of land, and even the laws of
various macronations. In example we've had a Citizen in France inform
us that France would be a bad place for Nova Roma to buy land. They
said that prices are high and the government does not welcome many
kinds of political/cultural groups.
>
> Maybe a plot of land that contains small ruins (such as those of a
> house) would present legal difficulties, but it should not be
> difficult or expensive at all to buy land vith a superb view of an
> aqueduct or, for example, the superb remnants of Segóbriga. This
way we would have the opportunity to somehow combine or own memorial
with the ancient roman spirit.
Cassius:
It may well come down to what is available and affordable. If a two
acre piece of land within sight of an aqueduct were to prove more
expensive than an island (giving us clearly defined sovereign
territory to claim) or land on which we could build a Roman building
or two and hold festivals, would the ancient connection be best?
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: NR Territory |
| From: |
"Marcus Cassius Julianus" <cassius622@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 16:09:55 -0000 |
|
Salve,
An excellent point! We'd certainly want to look over ANY land before
making a purchase. The first island that started the original
conversation, (Eagle Island) wasn't a sand bar... however it was
rather difficult to get to as it was about three hour's drive from
any airport. If we were to ever consider another island we would
certainly want to check out whether or not it was a sand buildup.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
--- In novaroma@--------, mark zona <pitdog2002@--------> wrote:
> > >
> Salve!
> I feel that I must say this because many of us could
> probably sell a sports car or sell a few stocks and
> come up with $35,000 to buy such an island.
> Extreme caution must be excersiced in any such
> purchase that involves 'large' islands selling very
> cheap. Many of these islands are sandbars. If I recall
> my geology correctly, sandbars are formed as sediments
> are carried by ocean currents and deposited one on top
> of the other until they break surface and form
> islands. They have been very popular as places to
> build second homes and such. The problem is they
> quickly errode and are easily completely and totally
> submerged once a hurricane passes thru them. Sandbars
> have a very unpredictable life span. They can last a
> few years or 100 years, but inevitably they will
> vanish due to erosion and catastrophy.
> Not all islands for sale are sandbars I am sure. But
> before purchase, one must consult a geologist to
> determine the form of such an island. Many of these
> islands have been purchased in the past, and these
> islands no longer exist. That is why these islands are
> so cheap.
> Once again, I only say this because the purchase of
> such an island ($35,000) is very feasable, so I feel
> extreme caution must be excersized.
> Valete!
>
> Zeno
>
>
>
> Not all islands are sandbars, but many are, especially
> the onces selling very cheap.
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Prov. California on TV |
| From: |
"Gaius Valerius Tacitus Hibernicus" <legioix@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:26:35 -0000 |
|
On June 3 of 2001, 27 Roman reenactors from Legio IX Hispana (USA) , Legio X Fretensis (NCal), 9th Legion (SCal) and Corvus
(SCal) gathered together to film an episode of The Most, about the Roman Testudo formation.
It will air November 5, 2001 at 11:00 PM on The History Channel.
Gaius Valerius Tacitus Hibernicus
Centurio Legio IX Hispana
|
| Subject: |
[Fwd: [novaroma] Inquiry on the handling of crises.] |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:01:14 -0700 |
|
Ave,
I posted this post last Friday. I am reposting this to spark some
discussion.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> Since Sept. 11, our list has been focused on events that will
> ultimately
> shape our lives in ways we never have thought possible. In the past
> two
> weeks I have seen a variety of responses to the attacks the United
> States has faced. However, as Pompeia Cornelia stated in an earlier
> post maybe we should start discussing topics that are related to Roma.
>
> Well, I have been thinking since this tragedy has befallen the world,
> how would the ancients have dealt with this?
>
> Before this life changing event, we were discussing Tuteorberg Wald
> (sp.). My inquiry might tie into that, here is my question. There
> seems, based on my readings, a various scale of tragedies that befell
> Rome. Some that come to mind are:
>
> Passing under the Yoke,
> Defeats like the Tuteroberg Wald/Aurasio and other major defeats
> Breechs in the Frontier
> Mass killings of Roman Citizens
> the Sack of Rome in 410/455 ce
>
> My questions on this are which were more catestrophic in relation to
> how
> they affected the average citizen and why?
>
> Also, in what realm would this tragedy be rated to the ancients? IE.
> Was the reaction similar to the citizens reacations when an army was
> forced to pass under the yoke? why or why not?
>
> This is something I have been wondering for a while.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: America |
| From: |
Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:26:50 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salvete Quirites; et salve, Marce.
--- Tal123berg@-------- wrote:
<<snipped>>
> Salve Gnaee!
>
> All I wanted to point out is that there were good reasons for
> President Truman, the tru(e) architect of the Marshall Plan, not to
> include Spain "at the time" in this effort to fill the existing
> dollar gap and to rebuild the European industry base. Someone else
> already pointed out that the attitude towards Franco changed over
> time.
>
> But with this ongoing debate here drifting ever farther away from the
> established list policy, let us take a look at how Roma antiqua would
> have treated something like the terrible terrorist events of
> September 11th (our Western societies take some pride in having their
> cultural roots in Roma antiqua (and Grecia for that matter)). This is
> for instance how Sulla reacted to the Mass murder of Italian citizens
> in Asia minor and the non cooperating Athens.
You are right in that this topic is clearly off-list and that not much
profit will be taken from keeping it. I am also willing to drop it.
As for what Sulla did in Greece; well, those were different times. We
should try to learn from the mistakes of the past.
=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Changing the Constitution IV: The Tribunate |
| From: |
Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:46:26 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salvete Quirites; et salve, consul Germanicus.
Let me first congratulate you for this final draft for a reformed
tribunate. It will surely bring this institution closer to its
historical duties, which I think is a good thing. I just have a couple
of questions, if you don't mind:
--- Flavius Vedius Germanicus <germanicus@--------> wrote:
<<snipped>>
> ] e. To call the Senate to order;
What does this paragraph exactly mean? Will the Tribuni be able to set
the agenda for the senatorial meeting?
> ] f. To call the comitia plebis tributa to order;
I see that there is no change to our actual situation on this point.
Are you planning another reform here?
> ] g. To administer the law;
What does this exactly mean?
Thank you in advance.
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Re: [novaroma] "Land Bill" for Nova Roma |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@--------> |
| Date: |
26 Sep 2001 14:00:36 -0300 |
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On Wed, 2001-09-26 at 09:30, Matthew Hilliard-Pinkston wrote:
> Salve, cives,
>
> I don't mean this as sarcastic as it may sound, but land in the old Yugoslavia might be cheap. Seriously, if I remember correctly, wasn't the land across the Adriatic filled with villas of the emperors and summer (or was it winter?) resorts?
> Not sure about how many ruins would be there though...
>
Split _is_ Diocletian palace and mausoleum. The roman houses are still
inhabited, the mausoleum was transformed in a church with just a tower
added. Roman pavement is still there. Those are not ruins they are
still up and functional.
On the other hand land is not cheap in Illyrica, it has become a major
european summer resort.
Manius Villius Limitanus
> Matthew
>
> Matthew Hilliard-Pinkston
> Durham, NC
>
>
> >>> javier_gil_ruiz@-------- Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:19:45 AM >>>
>
>
>
> Salve, cives.
>
> When reading the proposals about buying land for our micronation, I
> couldn't but think that the ideal choice would be to purchase land
> that is somehow connected to ancient rome.
>
> Maybe a plot of land that contains small ruins (such as those of a
> house) would present legal difficulties, but it should not be
> difficult or expensive at all to buy land vith a superb view of an
> aqueduct or, for example, the superb remnants of Segóbriga. This way
> we would have the opportunity to somehow combine or own memorial with
> the ancient roman spirit.
>
> Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
>
> Marcus Salix Saverius
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> --- In novaroma@--------, "Gaius Cornelius Publicus" <gaius-cornelius-
> publicus@--------> wrote:
> > Okay, not meaning to rekindle the previous, ah, message thread in
> all it's,
> > ah, "intensity" but what about a working piece of land?
> >
> > I am looking into some places to move to myself (mainly vineyards
> and
> > farms). I did find a working ranch that is a prime example of the
> types of
> > land I am looking at, I'll post it because, as a Vegan I am not
> about to
> > pursue a cattle ranch. :-) The realtor site is here:
> > http://www.wolfnw.com/Indiancreek.html
> >
> > Prime benefit to a place like this is that fact that there is all
> manner of
> > infrastructure in place and the land already makes an income.
> >
> > As far as ridiculously cheap land...well I have found 14 acre sites
> in
> > Oregon for as little as $30k - this is typically light forest
> (unsuitable
> > for logging) and is usually at least 30 miles from any good sized
> city.
> >
> > Anyway, just a thought.
> >
> > Publicus
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: M--------s C--------us Juli-------- <c--------us622@-------->
> > To: novaroma@-------- <novaroma@-------->
> > Date: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:51 PM
> > Subject: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma
> >
> >
> > >Salve,
> > >
> > >As yet, Nova Roma does not in fact own any land. We have stated
> goals
> > >of eventually owning a 108 acre "cultural world capital" in the
> > >future, but so far there has been no money to put toward such a
> > >project.
> > >
> > >There was some in-depth discussion about obtaining land just a few
> > >months ago, (seems like longer!)where other "intermediate" options
> > >were considered. In my opinion the most reasonable was buying a
> very
> > >inexpensive "starter" piece of land, a place that we could put up a
> > >flag and perhaps a monument/park, and make use of for publicity
> > >purposes. Just because we have a stated goal of 108 acres for
> > >a "capital" doesn't mean we can't start smaller!
> > >
> > >Land will probably end up being a difficult issue for us. It will
> be
> > >very hard for many hundreds of people to agree to spend money on a
> > >place where only a tiny minority of them are likely to be able to
> > >ever visit. No matter what land comes available, there will likely
> > >always be a majority of people who will find it inconvenient, or
> > >against whatever personal dream they have had for land. (If they
> even
> > >want land at all. Some have stated that it's a waste of our time
> and
> > >money!)
> > >
> > >My personal vision of land goes like this:
> > >
> > >Near future - buying a ridiculously cheap piece of land somewhere,
> > >even if it's in the middle of nowhere. Some of our Citizens visit
> it
> > >now and again, put up a flag, we make a nice little park with
> flowers
> > >and some sort of monument, take lots of pictures, and put up the
> info
> > >on the website. What a great way to prove to the world we have real
> > >world intent (and organization!) This could be done for only a few
> > >thousand and could gain us years of increased publicity.
> > >
> > >Farther future - As our local provinciae grow, we obtain "local"
> > >pieces of land. These wouldn't have to be terribly big... just a
> > >place where a "Roman outpost" could be put up for folks to gather
> at
> > >events/classes, etc. (Or, even more cool, a location with a few
> > >legions get together and build a Roman style fort...) Obviously,
> > >anything including buildings (bought or built) requires a far
> greater
> > >financial/organizational burden. We don't have that kind of
> resources
> > >now at mere thousand Citizens, but we might at say, 15,000.
> > >
> > >Ultimate future: we buy (or are gifted with!) 108 contiguous acres
> of
> > >land, on which we build a "cultural capital", perhaps in the form
> of
> > >a Roman forum with governmental/religious/business facilities. This
> > >would be a Classical equivalent of the micronation which exists in
> > >Vatican City. Obviously, this would be a project requiring millions
> > >of dollars. I don't expect to see it happen in my lifetime.
> However,
> > >the plan is there and something to keep in mind for the years
> ahead.
> > >
> > >If I really had my personal choice we'd buy an island somewhere.
> The
> > >discussion of land a few months ago was started when it was found
> > >that there are islands, (some fairly large) selling for only
> $35,000
> > >US or so. Less than the average price of a home in the US with no
> > >land at all!
> > >
> > >
> > >Valete,
> > >
> > >Marcus Cassius Julianus
> > >Consul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In novaroma@--------, "CJ Sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> wrote:
> > >> I seem to remember reading in the constitution somewhere that
> there
> > >> was an actual plot of land set aside for Nova Roma. Is this
> true?
> > >> If so, where is the real Nova Roma?
> > >>
> > >> Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Prov. California on TV |
| From: |
trog99@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:51:51 -0000 |
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Salve Gaius Valerius:
This is a great accomplishment on your part. Another Accolade for the
California Legions, your provincia and Nova Roma herself. Plus, I'm
sure it was an exciting experience for all who participated.
I shall mark my calendar.
Vale,
Pompeia Cornelia
Propraetrix Canada Orientalis
NOVA ROMA
In novaroma@--------, "Gaius Valerius Tacitus Hibernicus"
<legioix@--------> wrote:
> On June 3 of 2001, 27 Roman reenactors from Legio IX Hispana (USA) ,
Legio X Fretensis (NCal), 9th Legion (SCal) and Corvus
> (SCal) gathered together to film an episode of The Most, about the
Roman Testudo formation.
>
> It will air November 5, 2001 at 11:00 PM on The History Channel.
>
> Gaius Valerius Tacitus Hibernicus
> Centurio Legio IX Hispana
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] "Land Bill" for Nova Roma |
| From: |
"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:19:50 -0400 |
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Salvete,
I agree - having a lot of small parcels of land throughout the NR provinces would be great for all sorts of reasons. Owning land with a view of actual Roman ruins would be very soul-satisfying.
Vale bene,
Helena Galeria
----- Original Message -----
From: tiberius.ann@--------
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] "Land Bill" for Nova Roma
Salvete quirites,
With growing interest I have read the mails about land for NR. As a result
I have taken the liberty to ask around in the provincia germaniae superioris,
if anybody knew about something that could do.
I understand if some people want to own land in the States, but I personally
believe, that at least some land in every province or in parts of the world
which were under roman rule would bring lots of people from these parts
into NR.
I will keep you updated if someone finds something. Please answer no matter
if you agree with my view or not, but I find it unnerving to write mails
to a list of many hundred people and nobody writes back.
Valete from Basilea, Germania Superior, Tiberius Annaeus Otho
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Changing the Constitution IV...Tibunate |
| From: |
trog99@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:31:15 -0000 |
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Salve Honoured Consul Germanicus:
The draft you presented looks good. Just a couple of things, however:
it does not give a time frame for intercessio. I believe now a
tribune has 48 hours to pronounce intercessio on a given action by
another magistrate.
Also, regarding this time frame, say for argument sake, 48 hours:
Does the decision of all tribunes have to be made within this 48
hours, or is it that just one tribune has to speak out within 48 hours
in intercessio, conditional on the decisions of the other tribunes
within a specified expanse of time.
One more consideration,in either case, if I may: Since there are 5
Tribunes proposed, would the time frame of intercessio be more
practical at 72 hours? I am thinking that since there are 'more
players in the field' , the time for Tribunes to be able to
communicate to each other about intercessio matters might be
difficult to arrange within 48 hours; one must consider time zones,
work obligations etc.
If some of these have been touched on already, I apologize for any
redundancy.
Thank you for your time.
Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Propraetrix Canada Orientalis
NOVA ROMA
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Apology (was One Canadian's Reaction) |
| From: |
"Appius Tullius Cato" <a.cato@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:24:50 -0400 |
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Salve Propraetrix Pompeia et alii:
The statement about Prime Minister Chretien hoping that Gore would win the Presidental election was actually made by the former Canadian Ambassador to the U.S., Raymond Chretien, (the Prime Minister's nephew) refering to statements that his uncle had apparently made to him in private. My apology for not making that clear. It is simply not very smart to make such a statement during an election in a country that also is your largest trading partner. Raymond was re-called to Ottawa shortly after opening his mouth in Washington D.C.
The statement that Chretien made right after the disaster, about not being aware of any terrorist cells operating in Canada was reported in all the major newspapers, Toronto Star, Toronto Sun, National Post etc. I read at least two, and sometimes three papers a day. His surprising statement was the source of much discussion by columnists in the papers.
As far as the law, I would say that it would be very easy to pass legislation making it illegal to form terrorist cells or to be a member of such a cell. End their charitable status. (We are apparently going to do this much at least.) Arrest and deport or imprison any who are members or work to raise funds. Protecting the lives of our citizens must come before the "rights" of such mad criminals. For that is exactly what they are. And these criminals, by being the terrorists that they are, have thrown away their rights as far as I am concerned. They have destroyed their own rights by destroying the rights and lives of innocent people, or supporting those who do such nightmarish deeds.
Please Pompeia, this as well, is simply an attempt to explain things better, and no reflection on your statements. With all respect to you.
Valete, ... Appius Cato
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] a question regarding patron deities |
| From: |
danielovi@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:47:27 -0000 |
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Salvete omnes.
I wish to make in the main list the same question I already made at
the Religio list.
Now that my gens has patron deities, I would like that somebody could
explain me about that,i.e., its meaning and its role in a gens. In
the case of my gens, they are : Isis-Fortuna, Venus and Celestial
Antinous. By the way, I do not have any idea who the latter is.
Thank you in advance.
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
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