| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Natalis solis invicti / Christmas |
| From: |
"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 01 Oct 2001 01:05:28 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites; et salve, Mr. Vanderhoofven.
>
> --- ndvander@-------- wrote:
SNIP
>
> There are a few subtle questions about your post I would like to
> discuss, if you want.
> You said: << I think that December 25 was originally the Winter
> Solstice in say about 100 BC. Since the Julian calendar was being
> used, the date slipped 4 days by the time it was adopted as Christmas.
> And when Pope Gregory fixed the calendar in 1582, he corrected it back
> to the time of the Council of Nicea (325 AD).>>
>
> Could you please explain this in more depth? Thank you.
>
The Jullian Calender calls for a leap year every 4 years, making the
year slightly too long. About 3 days evey 400 years. The Gregorian
Calender corrects this by not having leap years for years divisable by
100 unless they are also divisable by 400. IE 1900 was NOT a leap
year, 2000 was.
The Christian formula for determining Easter depends on the date of
the spring equanox. The slipage in the Jullian calender caused the
Spring Equanox to fall back from March 25th to March 21st by the time
of the Council of Nicea, so the Catholic church used March 21st as the
date for determing Easter. (The first Sunday after the first full moon
occuring after the equanox)
By the time of Pope Gregory the equanox was occuring on March 11th,
resulting Easter being celebrated on the wrong day if the Full Moon
occured between the 11th and the 21st.
The reform only addressed the needs of the Christian church by
correcting the calendar back to 325 CE. It did not address the 4 day
error that crept in between the time of Julius Caesar and Nicea.
My personal feeling is that because of this 4 day error that was not
corrected by the Gregroian reform we are celebrating some of our rites
4 days later than we should be. December 25th was the date of the
winter soltice 2100 years ago so we would be more correct if we
celebrated Sol Invictus on the 21st (the soltice under the current
calendar) rather than the Julian date of December 25th.
L. Sicinius Drusus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Nova Roma and the War |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 30 Sep 2001 18:45:10 -0700 |
|
Ave Citizens of Nova Roma,
In regard to Paters/Maters being summoned for military duty. Nova Roma
already has a precedent in regards to Paters/Maters delegating authority
to subordinates.
This precedent was established, I believe earlier this year, when the
materfamilias of the Gens Iulia Caesaria, Augustina Iulia Caesaria
Nocturnia, delegated authority to her son, Senator Alexander Iulius
Caesar Probus while she was out of communication from Nova Roma. All
she did was send the Censors an email notifying us, the Censors of Nova
Roma that she was going to be out of communication and that all matters
relating to the Gens Iulia Caesaria were to be handled by her
designate.
When the materfamilias returned we recieved an email notifying us of
that fact and we made the necessary changes on our end. It was as
simple as that.
I see no reason that we adopt this precedent as policy. Given the
current circumstances we face with some of our Paters/Maters being
called for active duty.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor of Nova Roma
Lucius Sicinius Drusus wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> I Think we need to look at the effects the war may have on Nova Roma.
>
> Many of our citizens are members of the US military or Reserves that
> may be called to active duty. They may find themselves far from home
> and unable to contact us. According to news reports The UK has special
> forces units already operating in Afghanistan along US units, so this
> may affect citizens from other Macronations besides the USA.
>
> The December elections are comming up. Under the current law a citizen
> who dosen't vote in that election will be reassigned to an Urban
> tribe. Citizens in active military service may not have the chance to
> vote in the upcomming elections through no fault of thier own. I Don't
> think it's fair that their votes should be weakened when they return,
> so we should ammend the law allowing an exception for citizens who are
> on active military service.
>
> When we collect taxes naext year citizens who are on active service
> may not have the means to send their taxes in, or considering the
> considerable danger they will be in it is understandable if this
> matter slips their minds. I respectfully request that the Senate look
> into giving citizens on active duty in a war zone an exemption on
> taxes until they return, so they won't be placed in the head count for
> serving in the war.
>
> Some of the Citizens who may be called to serve may be Paters. We need
> a method where Paters who are on active duty can designate a member of
> their Gens to act in their stead while they are away so their Gens
> dosen't suffer, and so that the war dosen't add to the inactive Pater
> problem we already have.
>
> I'm sure that this war will have other effects on Nova Roma beside the
> ones I've mentioned, and I welcome any ideas on other problems that we
> might face.
>
> Valete,
> L. Sicinius Drusus
> Propraetor America Austrorientalis
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma]Land for Nova Roma |
| From: |
"CJ Sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 30 Sep 2001 23:34:10 -0000 |
|
Do you not read all these posts about this issue before you start
slamming someone! I already suggested that these smaller outposts
might just be a citizen's private property somewhere and that an
outpost could be as simple as anything. Remember too, you are a New
Roman as am I, there is noe reason to be insulting about anything!
Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
--- In novaroma@--------, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> wrote:
> --- In novaroma@--------, "CJ Sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> wrote:
> > Think of it this way, if we start off with smaller outposts
spread
> > throughout, we can gain worldwide attention, possibly leading to
more
> > citizens and more money as interest grows. Once funds are
available,
> > then we can build bigger by establishing a capitol. Rome wasn't
> > built in a day, and being scattered throughout the world may be
an
> > advantage in way of getting more attention, compared to the
regional
> > attention of building just one plot of land and calling it the
> > capitol. If you actually think about it, in order to have a
capitol,
> > there first hast to be something for it to be a capitol of.
> >
> > Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
> >
>
> Salvete
>
> There are 26 provinces, and the land fund has $200.00 in it, not
> enough money to pay the taxes on a decent plot of land in one
province
> let alone buy the land.
>
> HOW, in the name of the Gods do you expect us to develop 26 plots
when
> we lack the funds for one? What publicity will we get from having 26
> vacant lots scattered around the globe? Long before we get those 26
> vacant lots we will likely add more provinces, so it's more like
> buying 30 plots of land.
>
> You say you want publicity? Then when we finally get the funds for
ONE
> plot of land, for our Fotum, then Inagurate the site of Iuipiters
> Temple with a blood sacrifice. I assure you that will get us a lot
> more publicity than 30 vacant plots will.
>
> We are at least 10 years away from buying our Forum. If we go after
a
> bunch of vacant lots instead of working towards building the Forum,
> then we will be closer to a hundred years away from our Forum. Why?
> Just so some citizens can drop by a vacant lot to see a Nova Roman
> Flag on a pole in the middle of it (assuming it hasn't been torn
down
> by vandals or stolen).
>
> Valete,
> L. Sicinius Drusus
> Propraetor America Austrorientalis
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma]Land for Nova Roma |
| From: |
"CJ Sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 30 Sep 2001 23:52:10 -0000 |
|
Well, this is definately the last time I ever try to do anything out
of the kindness of my heart. Evidently several citizens have
mistaken my initial proposal for a cultural capitol to be a "let's go
do it right this instant" idea. I realize Nova Roma is not rich, and
I'm not saying we should do this right now, I'm saying "let's think
about this now". When I first posted and saw that others shared in
my dream I was very excited to say the least, but now it seems like
certain someones are dragging my dream through the mud. It seems it
is a given anymore that when I get my hopes up about something and/or
share a dream, then start to feel as if I've done something good, I
get smacked in the face my hopes and dreams are left in ruin, leaving
me to say, "If only..."
Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma]Land for Nova Roma |
| From: |
"CJ Sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 30 Sep 2001 23:55:51 -0000 |
|
Actually, your remark is very welcome sight, at least to me. I wish
you and you group luck in your undertaking and hope your citizenship
goes through soon.
Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
--- In novaroma@--------, "Living Histor--------stralia" <Admin@l...> wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> I'm hoping to become a member of your community, having sent off my
application form a week or so ago. No word as yet. When I emailed the
pater of the gens I nominated I got a "dead email" bounce, so I don't
think that bodes well for a speedy resolution!
>
> Before I jump head-first into this discussion, I should introduce
myself. On the net, I'm known as Omega, and I live in Brisbane
Australia. I'm a full-time professional historical re-enactor. I've
been doing re-enactment for about 12 years now, and I help run a
Roman Re-enactment group called Pax Romana. We do legionary drills,
gladiator combats, feasts, all that kind of stuff. If there are
any "nova Romans" who want invites to our events, please email me off
list and I'd be more than happy to let you know how to get in on the
fun.
>
> I've noted with interest the discussions about acquiring land. I
too, have walked through the ancient Forum, and stood on the veranda
of the Palatine and grieved for the sorry state all those beautiful
structures are in. They are awe-inspiring as they are, but imagine
them restored to their full glory! Of course re-building the actual
ancient site would destroy more than it would preserve, so a re-
construction elsewhere is the obvious choice. When I was in Rome
(last Xmas) there was talk then of the government re-building the
Colosseum and the Forum just outside Rome, as a tourist attraction.
Has anyone on-list heard of this plan, and whether it's still going
ahead?
>
> On a local note, Pax Romana is in the process of purchasing land
here in Brisbane to build (at the very least) a century fort and
associated buildings. This is a 5-10 year project, and to our
knowledge not being attempted anywhere else in the world at the
moment. We went to the re-constructed fort in Sussex as part of our
research trip, well worth a look if any of you are able to get there.
>
> Anyway, back to the point. A committee is essential if you want to
get this thing off the ground. If you already have a ruling body (the
senate) that has their heart and soul in this project then maybe
that's all you need for now. But there does need to be someone
raising the funds and keeping morale high for this project. Or it
will never happen.
>
> I hope I haven't spoken out of turn by throwing my "two sesterce"
into the ring.
>
> Omega
>
>
> The biggest re-enactment event in the Southern Hemisphere..8th &
9th June 2002, Musgrave Park
> www.brisbanemedievalfayre.com
>
> Bringing history to life!
> www.livinghistory.com.au
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Ohio Event Directions |
| From: |
Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:49:13 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Sorry for the delay.
The Roman Day will be held at Grigg's Reservoir in
Columbus, Ohio starting at 10pm on Sat. Oct 13th.
If you are coming from the East or West, take I-70 to
the Wilson Road Exit. Go North on Wilson Road to
Trabue Road. Take a right (East) onto Trabue. Trabue
will end in a T intersection after about 3 miles. Turn
left (North) onto Rt. 33 (a.k.a. Riverside Dr.)
Grigg's Dam will be about 2 miles up on the left
(West).
>From the North, Take I-71 to I-270 West to 315 South.
Then take the Lane Ave. exit. Turn right (West)onto
Lane Ave. Lane Ave. ends in a T intersection at
Riverside Drive. Turn right (North) onto Riverside Dr.
Grigg's will be about 1.5 miles on the left (West).
>From the South, take I-71 North to 315 North to Lane
Ave. Turn Left (West) and then follow From the North
directions.
Alternate from the East, Take I-70 to 315 North to
Lane Ave, Turn Left (West) onto Lane and follow From
the North directions.
If you have any questions, please e-mail me at
Imperialreign@-------- or call me at (614) 485-0593
after 5pm EST.
Thanks
Marcus Bianchius Antonius
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Roman Day Columbus, Ohio |
| From: |
Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:54:59 -0700 (PDT) |
|
If you are planning to attend the get-together on Oct
13th in Columbus, Ohio please drop me a line to let me
know. I am having a limited edition print made from
some original artwork I had commissioned for this
event. Everyone planning to attend will recieve one as
long as I get some general numbers of about how many
prints to get made.
Thanks
Marcus Bianchius Antonius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Tragedy strikes in Swiss parliament |
| From: |
Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 1 Oct 2001 04:06:01 -0700 (PDT) |
|
--- tiberius.ann@-------- wrote:
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> Today tragedy had a go at my homecountry.
Salve,
Please accept a belated message of condolence
regarding the terrible events at the Swiss Parliment.
My heartfelt prayers go to your country, the victims
and their families for this senseless tragedy.
Vale, Maximina Octavia
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Farewell, or Nerva Marches Off |
| From: |
Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 1 Oct 2001 04:28:32 -0700 (PDT) |
|
--- gcassiusnerva@-------- wrote:
> Salvete,
>
>Salve, Gaius Cassius Nerva
> SPC. Stuart Smith, 115th MP BN, Det. 1
My prayers are with you. May you be kept safe and
well.
Thank you for your service to the U.S. It means more
to me than you may know.
Vale, Maximina Octavia
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Out of the loop... |
| From: |
"Kryn Miner" <kminer_rsg@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 01 Oct 2001 08:41:15 -0400 |
|
I will be out of the loop for the next few months or so... I ask the
following...
My duties within the sodalitas be suspended until my return.
All new members seeking to belong to gens Tiberia, be auto-approved by this
blanket approval.
and that's about it...
I appologize for the absense, but it is something I cannot control. See you
all as soon as possible...
humbly,
Cascus Tiberius Rufio Longinus
Praefectus Legionis & Tribuni Militum
Legio VI Victrix Pia Fidelis
Cornicularius Militarium Sodalitas
Pater, Gens Tiberia of Nova Roma
"Nos Sumus Romae milites, parati stamus ad potestatem et gloriam eius. Roma
est Lux."
"we are soldiers of Rome, for her might and glory we stand ready... She is
the Light"
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Natalis solis invicti / Christmas |
| From: |
labienus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 1 Oct 2001 08:15:27 US/Central |
|
Salvete
For a source that give a number of possible origins for the date:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm
It's from a Catholic organisation, so it is slanted. Even so, it has some
good, interesting, and scholarly information.
Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Going away for awhile! |
| From: |
Shane Evans <marcusafricanus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 1 Oct 2001 06:41:33 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Best of luck to you my old comrade and dearest of
friends. I pray your activation will not lead to deployment.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Consular Edictum: Fundraising Drive |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:46:58 -0400 |
|
Flavius Vedius Germanicus novaromanis S.P.D.
It is with great pleasure that I would like to declare a month-long
fundraising drive during the month of October.
As we grow as an organization, we are starting to undertake many projects,
and while many of these can be done solely through volunteer labor, many
still require at least some money to get done. To date, we have made
donations to the Vindolandia Fund to help a struggling Roman-era
archaeological site in Britain and sponsored a Hospitality Suite at Roman
Days in Maryland to spread the word about Nova Roma among the reenactment
community. Our regular operating expenses, while small, continue to grow as
Nova Roma grows as an organization. In addition (and this is a subject
that's become near and dear to many of our hearts in recent days), our Land
Fund, while seeded and growing, is still woefully tiny.
I would urge all of our Citizens to consider making a donation to the
Arareum, either to the general treasury (out of which our various daily
expenses and special projects are funded) or directly to the Land Fund
itself (which funds are invested against the day we actually purchase
physical real estate). Donations can be made by check (just send it to the
Wells, Maine address), or can be made on-line via PayPal (credit card
required).
To donate to the General Treasury, click here:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?return=http%3A//www.novaroma.org/main.
html&item_name=Nova+Roma%0D%0ATreasury&submit.x=2&submit.y=9&business=pcassi
a%40novaroma.org&cmd=_xclick
To donate to the Land Fund, click here:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclick&business=pcassia@novaroma.
org&item_name=Ad+Fundos+Res%3A+Nova+Roma+Land+Fund&item_number=003&no_shippi
ng=1&return=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.novaroma.org%2F&cancel_return=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
novaroma.org%2F&submit.x=91&submit.y=36
While it is true that next year will see our first trial of annual dues, a
non-profit organization such as Nova Roma still relies on voluntary
donations for much of its funding. I would urge everyone to consider making
a donation, small or large, to help us carry high the banner of the New Rome
in the twenty-first century.
I happen to believe that with public service comes the responsibility to
lead by example. Therefore, I hereby publically challenge all the members of
our Senate to kick off this fundraising drive through the donation of $100
each. Let's all do our part to help Nova Roma prosper!
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Nova Roma and the War |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:53:05 -0400 |
|
Salvete;
I concur. Citizens called up for active military service in their respective
macronations, and thus rendered incommunicado should not be penalized,
either in regards to taxes or voting. I believe Sulla had the right idea,
however, regarding their status as pater/materfamilias; they can simply
delegate the duties to another for the duration.
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lucius Sicinius Drusus [mailto:lsicinius@--------]
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 2:08 AM
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] Nova Roma and the War
>
>
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> I Think we need to look at the effects the war may have on Nova Roma.
>
> Many of our citizens are members of the US military or Reserves that
> may be called to active duty. They may find themselves far from home
> and unable to contact us. According to news reports The UK has special
> forces units already operating in Afghanistan along US units, so this
> may affect citizens from other Macronations besides the USA.
>
> The December elections are comming up. Under the current law a citizen
> who dosen't vote in that election will be reassigned to an Urban
> tribe. Citizens in active military service may not have the chance to
> vote in the upcomming elections through no fault of thier own. I Don't
> think it's fair that their votes should be weakened when they return,
> so we should ammend the law allowing an exception for citizens who are
> on active military service.
>
> When we collect taxes naext year citizens who are on active service
> may not have the means to send their taxes in, or considering the
> considerable danger they will be in it is understandable if this
> matter slips their minds. I respectfully request that the Senate look
> into giving citizens on active duty in a war zone an exemption on
> taxes until they return, so they won't be placed in the head count for
> serving in the war.
>
> Some of the Citizens who may be called to serve may be Paters. We need
> a method where Paters who are on active duty can designate a member of
> their Gens to act in their stead while they are away so their Gens
> dosen't suffer, and so that the war dosen't add to the inactive Pater
> problem we already have.
>
> I'm sure that this war will have other effects on Nova Roma beside the
> ones I've mentioned, and I welcome any ideas on other problems that we
> might face.
>
> Valete,
> L. Sicinius Drusus
> Propraetor America Austrorientalis
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] A Place to call Home |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:53:55 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Ladies and Gentlemen of Nova Roma;
It is obvious that there are many here who are interested at least
slightly in the development of a place to call home in Nova Roma. That
you have an interest to the extent that you are willing to argue and
insult others, is also quite clear.
However, what is not clear is whether or not you are willing to spend
the energy expended in your repititous argments on this list, in a more
organized and profitable way to move toward your stated goal. The
Senior Consul has see fit to label your efforts and desire to form a
Committee, as being "silly" and I have disagreed with him, as one of his
Advisors.
It now remains to be seen just how serious anyone on this list is in
this regard, and if you are willing to do anything constructive to
further your ideas, aside from arguing about them.
I suggest the following activities to those who have some time and
effort to expend in this effort:
--First, Establish a Weblist, to collect all the ideas that have been
expounded to the Main List on this subject;
--Second, Establish a Committee to determine from these suggestions and
ideas a List of those items to look for in a piece of land or property
on a Provincial Level, as well as on a National Level. Each of these
two lists should have three sections: Must Have, Should Have, Nice To
Have.
In the Must Have Section all items agreed upon MUST be a part of any
property aquired by each of the types of NR "homes" (provincial or
national).
In the Should Have Section most of the items listed should be
incorporated into this list.
In the Nice To Have List, as many of these items should be incorporated
as possible in keeping with advantages of the preceeding lists.
--Third; There is a Sodalitas already approved within Nova Roma which
has being lying dormant for some months due to a lack of interest in
furthering the Outreach Program for Nova Roma. I am the present
Praefectus of this Sodalitas, and offer this organization to house the
Committee's (Provincial and National) who may wish to follow this above
suggestion-set. When the Committee Work on the Two sets of Aquisition
Lists is finished, they can be filed in the WebList Fies for anyone to
refer to and with that set of data secured we may then turn our efforts
to contacting Grant Organizations for donations to the task of aquiring
land, and following leads in identifying suitable areas, catalogueing
those who ight be willing to donate land for provincial Sites, and
identifying and contacting National Agencies in Europe, Africa and the
Middle East which might be ammenable to assisting us in this effort.
These are all things which after all must be accomplished soner or
later. It seems to me from your (The NR Citizens) expressed interest,
the time is ripe to do so. We have plenty of time as our "Land Fund"
has a "ways" to grow, and it can certainly use any assistance that it
can get, in my humble view.
I warn that none of this will be easy, and those who wish merely to talk
about this possibility, rather than to engage in an effort to make it
real, need not apply. Every six months the two Aquisition Lists
(provincial and national) can be reviewed for the addition of new ideas.
A Committee for each Aquisition List will decide where new ideas will be
placed in which of the three List Areas. New Committee Members will be
considered periodically and the Web List itself open to those who are
interested in being involved in the activity.
Periodically the Sodalitas, with it's membership, can send to the Senate
reports of their findings and agreements which will mean much more to
the Senate in it's deliberations that the Cacophony of voices who can
seldom concur on any given item introduced.
I offer this above possibility to you the Citizens of Nova Roma, as I
have offered it to the Senior Consul, for the following reasons:
--I believe your interest in this matter to be genuine, and as Citizens
the force of your wishes and opinons should give rise to some action on
the part of a Magistrate;
--I believe that within the body of your collective remarks are some
valuable ideas that should be saved;
--I believe that what interests the the Citizens of Nova Roma is worthy
to pursue, particularly since it is an established long-term Goal of
Nova Roma;
--I believe that the NR Senate, in order to understand the needs of Nova
Roma has a requirement for the development, in a positive and organized
way, precise and definite information from which to make it's decisions.
In closing, I do not think the idea of a Land Aquisition Committee to be
"silly." However, I do believe that the Committee should be open to new
ideas and new members as they are presented and interested. I would
very much like to quantify in some way the citizens ideas and concerns
in the matter of Land / Property Aquisition as you the citizens are
willing to spend the effort, each at your level of time, expertise, and
ability. To this end I make the above offer. If you are interested
please contact me. We will need several Scribae and Librarii as well as
Members of the two Committees (Provincial and National) as a start.
In regards to appointing Generals for our future Legions, the Senior
Consul should be advised that the NR Sponsored Legion's currently have
several excellent officers in training to command, from which any future
General Officer needs may well be revewed for thier suitability.
Very Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] A Place to call Home |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:45:00 +0200 |
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Salve Illustrus Marcus Minucius Audens!
I am on your side! I will join You in this work. I know that both You and I
have to much to do already, but I will try to manage my Provincia and my
private life and find some space for this. I will see this as a chance to
do something with my position as Quaestor.
I have some questions though. What do You mean with National? I don't
really understand the idea with the "three sections: Must Have, Should
Have, Nice To Have". Remember that I'm not a native English speaking
person, I didn't understand the idea at once. I will read it at some more
times. But once again, please!
I have tried to establish a list at Yahoo called "The Land Committee of
Egressus", but it was already taken. So I guess that we are already on the
train. I will join that list as soon as I get the address. Let's see what
happens from there.
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
Accensus to Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): Kalendis Octobris (October 1st) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:01:22 +0100 |
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Pontifex Antonius Gryllus Graecus omnes salutem dicit
This is one of the dies nefasti (N), a day on which no legal action can take
place.
This is the Kalends of mensis October. Today a Pontifex Minor calls the
people to the Curia Calabra. The Pontifex Minor and the Rex Sacrorum offer a
sacrifice to Iuno where Ianus is also invoked. Then the Pontifex Minor
announces the Nonas of the month for the seventh day:
"Die Septime te kalo Iuno Covella"
"Iuno Covella, I call you on the seventh day"
The Regina Sacrorum also sacrifices to Iuno at the Regia.
Today is the aniversary of the dedication of the temple of Fides Publica
(Public Fidelity or Good Faith) on the Capitol. It was dedicated by Consul
A. Atilius Calatinus either in 258 BCE or 254 BCE (one of the two years when
he was Consul). On occasion it is used for meetings of the Senate, and
copies of international agreements are affixed to its walls. Horace seems to
imply that the statue of the goddess has her right hand covered: "rare
Fidelity, her hand bound with cloth of white". If so, this somewhat confirms
the description of Livius [Ab urbe condita, 1.21.4] on the cult of Fides
firstly instituted by king Numa Pompilius: "He also instituted a yearly
sacrifice to the goddess Fides and ordered that the Flamens should ride to
her shrine in a hooded chariot, and should perform the service with their
hands covered as far as the fingers, to signify that Fidelity must be
sheltered and that her seat is holy even when it is in men's right hands".
Today is also the expiatory sacrifice of the Tigillum Sororium (Beam of the
Sisters). The Tigillum Sororium and surrounding altars were located near the
Compitum Acili, in the south-west slope of the Oppian hill. The Tigillum
Sororium was probably an horizontal beam resting on two uprights, though
Dionysius of Halicarnassus sugests a beam embedded in walls on the opposite
sides of the street. It was kept in repair and still existed in the 4th
century AD.
The meaning of the 'tigillum sororium' was already controversial in
classical Rome. Livius [Ab urbe condita, 1.26] tells how hero Horatius was
acquitted of having murdered his sister; in expiation his father erected a
beam ('tigillum') across a street and made his son pass under the 'yoke'
with covered head. Dionysius of Halicarnassus [Roman Antiquities, 3.22] adds
that before Horatius was sent under the yoke, king Tullus Hostilius ordered
the Pontifices to erect two altars on the spot, one to Iuno Sororia and
nother to Ianus Curiatius, and to offer sacrifice upon them.
Di vos incolumes custodiant
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] A homeland (long) |
| From: |
"G. Etcheverius Burdigalus" <burdigalus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:28:33 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salvete Omnes,
A homeland. What an exciting idea. It captures my mind
and my heart like few others can. It will bring Nova
Roma into physical existence and be the place that is
the repository of our hearts. Nova Roma, the land, our
Home. Because that is where it all really starts isn’t
it? A home.
Being able to reach down and pull up a handful of
soil, breath deep its aroma and revel in its subtle
message: this is mine because I belong to it, I have
smelled this and it is now in me. This is home. And
this is where it will truly begin for Nova Roma. While
we exist as a virtual entity we own no real belonging.
We own a collective idea. The idea that is the
reformation of the Roman way of life but that idea
does not yet own us.
Nova Roma needs a single place on this planet to be
the heart of this micro-nation first. This single
place, our capitol will be a unifying force for us.
Disparate communities formed before the rise of Nova
Roma in the geographical world bring with their
formation pressures and forces that will be divisive.
If we are going to achieve our goal of achieving
nationhood in the real world our loyalties must first
be to Nova Roma and our capitol. While we remain loyal
to our provincial societies, the heart of who we all
are collectively as Nova Romans, will reside in our
capitol.
I don’t believe a definitive location of our capitol
should be our primary interest at this point. Who and
what we are remains ours whatever the geographic
location of our capitol. Before all else Rome was an
idea. Nova Roma is that idea reborn. The location of
the physical manifestation of that idea is irrelevant
except in practical terms. There are practical
considerations that we must take seriously before we
can select a location: the ability for citizens to
travel to the capitol; access through the macro-nation
or nations our citizens must have to reach our
capitol; political and diplomatic considerations;
considerations of safety and security; access to local
utilities or the natural resources and money to
construct our own; and a whole raft of concerns I
haven’t thought of or don’t know about.
I think we should start to consider our options and
define what we want for a homeland in general terms,
aside from money and specific location. From the
results of that consideration will have a very good
definition of what we as Nova Romans want. Then we can
compile of list of real-world options that fit with
our definition. Then we need to determine how much
money we are willing to spend as a micro-nation in
purchasing land for a homeland. When we have both the
definition of what we want and the amount we will have
to spend we can make rational choices about the
realities of our homeland: where it is, how big is it
going to be, etc.
We will likely have to carry out all or a part of this
process several times before we arrive at achievable
options, but then we will have a real list of places
to make a choice from. Then we will have a real goal
to put our backs and our minds into achieving.
What I think we do need soon is a rational list of
what we want in a homeland. Here’s what I would like
to see in a homeland:
A climate suited to the architecture of Roma Antiqua
so that those who have the ability to live in our
homeland (I hope to be one) can do so in Roman style
buildings in accordance with our cultural heritage
(with of course the modern conveniences we hold so
dear in our lives);
A location in a macro-nation that has the social
infrastructure to support the modern conveniences we
find so necessary in our lives like a steady and
reliable supply of inexpensive power, a safe water
supply, inexpensive access to communications
facilities (telephones, internet, etc.);
A location with a thriving economy surrounding it so
that we can have access to the goods and services we
are used to, and that we can sell goods and services
through;
A location in a macro-nation that is politically
stable and safe. The last thing we need to do is buy a
couple of hundred acres in a place like Algeria where
we will have to spend a lot of money on security or
bribes to the local war-lords;
A location where travel restrictions are not applied
on our citizens, so that all who want to or can afford
to can visit Nova Roma;
A location that has modern transportation facilities
so it is possible and relatively easy for citizens to
travel to Nova Roma;
A location where there is a lot of inexpensive arable
land adjacent to the Nova Roma site that citizens can
purchase as their own but also be a part of Nova Roma.
Add to this list, refine it, re-define it or build
your own. Once we have a refined and definitive list
we can then, when we are ready go on to the next step
which is deciding how much money we can put into this
and when we can have that amount gathered. Then I
think we will be able to start realistically looking
at what is available to us. I’d much rather not engage
in or be witness to email warfare between citizens
about the details of something we don’t yet have in
our possession, let alone have accurately defined.
Valete,
G. Etcheverius Burdigalus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Natalis solis invicti / Christmas |
| From: |
Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:32:17 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salvete Quirites; et salve, L. Sicini.
--- Lucius Sicinius Drusus <lsicinius@--------> wrote:
> --- In novaroma@--------, Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> wrote:
> > Salvete Quirites; et salve, Mr. Vanderhoofven.
> >
> > --- ndvander@-------- wrote:
> SNIP
> >
> > There are a few subtle questions about your post I would like to
> > discuss, if you want.
> > You said: << I think that December 25 was originally the Winter
> > Solstice in say about 100 BC. Since the Julian calendar was being
> > used, the date slipped 4 days by the time it was adopted as
> Christmas.
> > And when Pope Gregory fixed the calendar in 1582, he corrected it
> back
> > to the time of the Council of Nicea (325 AD).>>
> >
> > Could you please explain this in more depth? Thank you.
> >
>
> The Jullian Calender calls for a leap year every 4 years, making the
> year slightly too long. About 3 days evey 400 years. The Gregorian
> Calender corrects this by not having leap years for years divisable
> by
> 100 unless they are also divisable by 400. IE 1900 was NOT a leap
> year, 2000 was.
>
> The Christian formula for determining Easter depends on the date of
> the spring equanox. The slipage in the Jullian calender caused the
> Spring Equanox to fall back from March 25th to March 21st by the time
> of the Council of Nicea, so the Catholic church used March 21st as
> the
> date for determing Easter. (The first Sunday after the first full
> moon
> occuring after the equanox)
>
> By the time of Pope Gregory the equanox was occuring on March 11th,
> resulting Easter being celebrated on the wrong day if the Full Moon
> occured between the 11th and the 21st.
>
> The reform only addressed the needs of the Christian church by
> correcting the calendar back to 325 CE. It did not address the 4 day
> error that crept in between the time of Julius Caesar and Nicea.
>
> My personal feeling is that because of this 4 day error that was not
> corrected by the Gregroian reform we are celebrating some of our
> rites
> 4 days later than we should be. December 25th was the date of the
> winter soltice 2100 years ago so we would be more correct if we
> celebrated Sol Invictus on the 21st (the soltice under the current
> calendar) rather than the Julian date of December 25th.
>
> L. Sicinius Drusus
Thank you very much for your explanation, Druse. I have a further
comment. I read somewhere that, when Caesar decided to implant the new
Julian year, the date of the kalendas Ianuarii was chosen to coincide
with a new moon (as traditional according to the Roman lunar calendar).
This was done to begin "correctly" (with good omens) the new year. It
was this decision what avoided the original plan to start the new
calendar on the winter solstice. What do you think?
=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Remainder argentinians/argentinos. Eng./Sp. |
| From: |
danielovi@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 01 Oct 2001 23:22:28 -0000 |
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Salvete.
Attn. cives from Argentina
I remain you that next Saturday we shall have our regular face to
face meeting at the usual place and usual time. Unfortunately, as I
stated at the provincial list, this time I'll not be able to attend
due to personal reasons (nothing bad :-) ).
Valete bene
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor pprovincialis Argentinae
Salvete
Atención ciudadanos argentinos.
Les recuerdo que el próximo sábado tendremos la reunión en el lugar y
horas habituales. Lamentablemente como ya mencioné en la lista
provincial, esta vez no podré asistir debido a razones personales
(nada malo).
Valete bene
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor provincialis Argentinae
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