| Subject: |
[novaroma] Ohio Nova Roma Get-Together |
| From: |
Shane Evans <marcusafricanus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 Oct 2001 17:15:42 -0700 (PDT) |
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The Fellowship of Romans in Ohio has come and gone.
It was a very enjoyable time. There were five civies
from Ohio, tree from Indiana, and our Guest of Honor,
Gorvernor Germanicus. We displayed our Roman
attire,played Roman games, and ate a Roman feast.
Everyone who was in attendance received a lovely
keepsake compliments of my Corniculus Major, Centurian
Marcus Bianchi Antonius, without whom I couldnt have
held this event. With more time to work with the
Legio and other areas of Nova Roma, we are planning
for a larger event to be held in the late spring/early
summer. This event was mostly for anyone in the
provincia who wanted to come together for a day to get
to know each other and have an enjoyable time,
hopefully being able to forget the troubles of the
days for a little while. Photos from the event should
be posted to the Nova Roma webpage later this week.
M. Scipio Africanus
Legate of Lacus Magni Orientalis
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Invalid Voter Code (II) |
| From: |
"Domna Claudia Auspicata" <comptess@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:43:52 +1300 |
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Salvete Quirites
Invalid Voter Codes (II)
Voter # 9073
Please try to vote again, contact the Censors if your code is not working.
Valete
Domna Claudia Auspicata
Rogator
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] my tour report from Magna Britannia |
| From: |
sifurichmooney@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:13:28 -0000 |
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I have had a long 12 days of touring here in the UK. I taught the
Royal Airforce at the General Meeting of the Royal Airforce Martial
Arts Association, was made a member of that group by virtue of the
fact I am retired member of a NATO forces military branch (US Army)
met new friends, reacquainted myself with old ones.
got honored by Comabt Magaizne for my work here and abroad.
will probably be doing seminars in Germany this winter (glad I did
more than drink dark beer for 4 years while stationed in bavaria, and
took the time to learn the language pretty well.)
have serious trepidations about flying home, and am very concerned
about anthrax. terrorists I can handle and kill well enough, but not
microbes and bacteria. I was chemical detection NCOIC at my last post
some 18 years ago. so knowledge is fear lemme tell you, especially
when you do not have the tools to deal with the threat...
my uncle felt the same way when he was at tian an men back during the
protests. at least in Nam, he had an m16, there all he had was a
camera and his wits to keep him alive.
while here I also got a chance to indulge my passion for roman
history, as UK is a hotbed of roman history, (as well as viking and
saxon and norman history which I am not too keen on)
got to see hadrians wall, and got a chunk to bring home, but hadrian
sent two legionaires after me in the form of wasps, who stung the
daylights out of my right arm, but did not dissuade me from taking my
prize with me:) they bravely died in battle. Ave! Te Moritu Salutatum!
also went to Vindolanda, what an isolated place,I felt much empathy
with the legions of legio VI Victrix who were stationed there. cold,
and damp and rainy. my how they must have had troubles there. saw the
museum, had wigs preserved, impregnated with scents and herbs to ward
off the midges, nasty lil biting buggers.
took some stones from there as well. could not get to the mithraic
temple due to foot and mouth quarantine, and other sites were also
closed due to the same problem.
went to york and saw more roman artefacts, and also at south shields
where they had a complete camp gate reconstructed, and are still at
it. so much to see, so little time to do it, and so much distance to
cover.
had my fill of single malt scotch, and lots of lamb:) yummy!
anyway, thats all I can think of. I hope to make it home alive, and
will post later.
rich mooney
aka
Theodourus Tiberius Germanicus
Centurio of Cohortes IV, Legio VI Victrix Pia Fidelis
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Desapointment with my fellow citizens/condoleance to the afghans |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@--------> |
| Date: |
15 Oct 2001 09:24:07 -0200 |
|
Salvete,
one week of continued terrorist attacks against one of the poorest
country in the world, hundreds of innocents dead among them several
world citizens probably thousands of combatants.
And here in NovaRoma not one voice of condoleances for the deads
not one voice of condennation of this terrorist attack by the USA and
the UK.
I am really desappointed by my fellow concitizens in NovaRoma (and
enjoyed by my fellow brazilians).
I hereby express my condoleance to the Afghans and all humans that were
attacked by this new vague of state terrorism. I hereby condemn the
state terrorism at act.
Vale,
Manius Villius Limitanus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Desapointment with my fellow citizens/condoleance to the afghans |
| From: |
trog99@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:47:48 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, Michel Loos <loos@q...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> one week of continued terrorist attacks against one of the poorest
> country in the world, hundreds of innocents dead among them several
> world citizens probably thousands of combatants.
Pompeia: I would venture to say more combatants than civilians, but
we can argue this until 'doomsday'. In any case, it is unpleasant
that innocent people are put in jeopardy because of their evil and
obstinant government. Don't forget, Mani, this government is not
exactly the champions of their people: they starve their people,
oppress their women, and kill their own citizens ad lib for the most
fundamentally ridiculous of reasons. The U.S. and Britain is not the
author of killings of Afghans since the mid 90's when the Taliban
assumed power.
>
> And here in NovaRoma not one voice of condoleances for the deads
> not one voice of condennation of this terrorist attack by the USA
and
> the UK.
Pompeia: You assume that none of us has a conscience. Do you not
think that people are perhaps a bit anxious and depressed, and do not
want to talk about the uncertainties of being at war, with madmen who
drive airplanes full of people into full buildings, dust our continent
with nice little white powder containing Anthrax (and I am sure this
is not a chance thing, being a nurse) and contemplating the meaning of
the FBI's warnings about further terror.
Mani, our locks waaaaaay up in Sault Ste. Marie, Canada/Michigan, a
canal busier than Panama and the Suez, has had to heighten security
because mideasterners were caught videotaping the locks. Kind of
scary if they arrested our shipping, no? But it's a prime target.
So perhaps you assume silence for being apathy; think again, it's fear
and uncertainty. We are at war with fanatical madmen, who care naught
for life, even their own. They are religious lunatics.
You are not altogether correct about people not speaking out for the
Afghani in Nova Roma. Not recently, since the bombings, but in the
past citizens have spoken against the killings of innocents while
wrestling with the inevitable course.......fight, or continue to be
terrorized ad hoc.
Last year, I know of atleast two people who posted on various lists in
Nova Roma (Provincial lists, et al) about the atrocities of the
Taliban against their women. I know of two other Nova Roman women who
are members of Rawa.
With respect, Mani, by the logic you display here, it would have been
inappropriate to fight back in the second world war against Hitler,
because innocent people would be killed. Yes, and sadly and morbidly
so. That is the cost of war, and why it should be avoided at all
costs. The Third Reich had to be subjugated, for the sake of innocent
German people, and the peoples of the world. In like mind, the
Taliban must be subjugated, plus Bin Laden and his briget of evil
barbarians.
I would like to see the Afghan people get their country back......free
of Taliban oppression.
I am basically a very easy going person, but I am not a pacifist. I
wish no illwill against anyone, but I do believe we have the right and
the obligation to defend ourselves against this Tyranny.
>
> I am really desappointed by my fellow concitizens in NovaRoma (and
> enjoyed by my fellow brazilians).
Pompeia: You don't know "every" Brazilian, Mani, so you cannot
accurately speak for "all" of them.
>
> I hereby express my condoleance to the Afghans and all humans that
were
> attacked by this new vague of state terrorism. I hereby condemn the
> state terrorism at act.
Pompeia: It is unfortunate, but inevitable. Abraham Lincoln put it
rather sicinctly at the outset of the American Civil War: "The war is
forced upon us". This ain't no Vietnam, Mani, we "have" to fight this
one out.
Taliban (not Afghanistan) Dilenda est,
Pompeia Cornelia
>
> Vale,
>
> Manius Villius Limitanus
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Desapointment with my fellow citizens/condoleance to the afghans |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:51:45 -0400 |
|
HOW DARE YOU!!
To compare the legitimate use of military force against a regime which
aided, abetted, and probably directly sponsored the single worst terrorist
attack in history to the scum who perpetrated that attack is unconscionable.
To even make the assertion is proof of a complete lack of moral sensibility,
and in defending the human disease that made the Sept. 11th attacks
possible --and who hide behind their own oppressed civilian population-- you
are no better than they.
Innocent Afghans have been killed, yes. But the U.S. action is neither
indiscriminate nor terroristic; it is specifically targeted and quite mild
compared to what could be happening now. The wastes-of-skin that slammed
jetliners into office buildings didn't seem too worked up about the innocent
lives they were taking. To even use the term "terrorist" to describe what
the U.S. is doing is so offensive as to be literally unbelievable. You think
the Taliban is so great? I'll personally pay for your plane ticket to
Afghanistan. I demand your apology or your resignation.
As Consul I hereby declare full support for the measured and reasonable U.S.
and U.K. actions against the criminal Taliban regime in Afghanistan and the
Al Quida terrorist network, and express the definite hope that the
unfortunate deaths of civilians will only serve to hasten the resolve of the
oppressed masses within Afghanistan to oust those criminals who have made
these actions necessary.
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michel Loos [mailto:loos@--------]
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:24 AM
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] Desapointment with my fellow citizens/condoleance to
> the afghans
>
>
> Salvete,
>
> one week of continued terrorist attacks against one of the poorest
> country in the world, hundreds of innocents dead among them several
> world citizens probably thousands of combatants.
>
> And here in NovaRoma not one voice of condoleances for the deads
> not one voice of condennation of this terrorist attack by the USA and
> the UK.
>
> I am really desappointed by my fellow concitizens in NovaRoma (and
> enjoyed by my fellow brazilians).
>
> I hereby express my condoleance to the Afghans and all humans that were
> attacked by this new vague of state terrorism. I hereby condemn the
> state terrorism at act.
>
> Vale,
>
> Manius Villius Limitanus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Desapointment with my fellow citizens/condoleance to |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:08:19 -0500 (CDT) |
|
On 15 Oct 2001, Michel Loos wrote:
> one week of continued terrorist attacks against one of the poorest
> country in the world, hundreds of innocents dead among them several
> world citizens probably thousands of combatants.
The attacks currently underway against the evil Taliban regime are
not "terrorist" by any sane definition. They are not sneak attacks
targeting civilians. These are conventional military strikes, and
no amount of whining by the ultra-rightist Taliban villains and their
traitorous supporters in other countries will change that.
> And here in NovaRoma not one voice of condoleances for the deads
> not one voice of condennation of this terrorist attack by the USA and
> the UK.
Because there is no terrorist attack. You are spouting meaningless
propoganda, created by those who would kill you for membership in
a pagan-friendly group such as this.
> I am really desappointed by my fellow concitizens in NovaRoma (and
> enjoyed by my fellow brazilians).
Then leave. You are a traitor to the civilized world and you are not
fit to associate with decent people.
- Octavius.
--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneum et Senator
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Desapointment with my fellow citizens/condoleance to the afghans |
| From: |
ksterne@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:56:55 -0000 |
|
>>one week of continued terrorist attacks<<
Terrorist attacks??? Are you serious? I can't determine if you just
love to cause consternation by being contrary or if you are just
stupid.
I agree with our esteemed Consul, how dare you call our action
against those who have declared war on our country a terrorist act.
How do you think the Romans would have responded to such an attack on
their city? How would you feel if thsy had attacked Rio or Sao Paulo?
You are no Roman Manius Villius, and I have no desire to be
associated with you in any way.
Gaius Popillius Laenas
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Desapointment with my fellow citizens/condoleance to the afghans |
| From: |
radams36@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:32:35 -0000 |
|
Good consul Germanicus,
While I understand and share your righteous indignation, I urge you
to take some solace by considering the source: Michel has a long
history on this list of hateful, bigoted, narrow-minded commentary
both against America and against Christians. He is prone to
generalizations that have no demonstrable basis in fact (as Pompeia
pointed out his clearly self-serving and non-verifiable implication
that he speaks for other Brazilians, or at least knows what they
think), and is clearly not a very logical thinker (making his status
at university all the more baffling). His lack of respect for other
points of view invalidates any desire on my part to show respect for
his viewpoints. I personally choose not to respond to his
stupefyingly asinine statements, because they don't deserve that much
validation.
Vale,
Rufus Iulius Palaeologus
--- In novaroma@--------, "Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@n...>
wrote:
> HOW DARE YOU!!
>
> To compare the legitimate use of military force against a regime
which
> aided, abetted, and probably directly sponsored the single worst
terrorist
> attack in history to the scum who perpetrated that attack is
unconscionable.
> To even make the assertion is proof of a complete lack of moral
sensibility,
> and in defending the human disease that made the Sept. 11th attacks
> possible --and who hide behind their own oppressed civilian
population-- you
> are no better than they.
>
> Innocent Afghans have been killed, yes. But the U.S. action is
neither
> indiscriminate nor terroristic; it is specifically targeted and
quite mild
> compared to what could be happening now. The wastes-of-skin that
slammed
> jetliners into office buildings didn't seem too worked up about the
innocent
> lives they were taking. To even use the term "terrorist" to
describe what
> the U.S. is doing is so offensive as to be literally unbelievable.
You think
> the Taliban is so great? I'll personally pay for your plane ticket
to
> Afghanistan. I demand your apology or your resignation.
>
> As Consul I hereby declare full support for the measured and
reasonable U.S.
> and U.K. actions against the criminal Taliban regime in Afghanistan
and the
> Al Quida terrorist network, and express the definite hope that the
> unfortunate deaths of civilians will only serve to hasten the
resolve of the
> oppressed masses within Afghanistan to oust those criminals who
have made
> these actions necessary.
>
> Valete,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michel Loos [mailto:loos@--------]
> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:24 AM
> > To: novaroma@--------
> > Subject: [novaroma] Desapointment with my fellow
citizens/condoleance to
> > the afghans
> >
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > one week of continued terrorist attacks against one of the poorest
> > country in the world, hundreds of innocents dead among them
several
> > world citizens probably thousands of combatants.
> >
> > And here in NovaRoma not one voice of condoleances for the deads
> > not one voice of condennation of this terrorist attack by the USA
and
> > the UK.
> >
> > I am really desappointed by my fellow concitizens in NovaRoma (and
> > enjoyed by my fellow brazilians).
> >
> > I hereby express my condoleance to the Afghans and all humans
that were
> > attacked by this new vague of state terrorism. I hereby condemn
the
> > state terrorism at act.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Manius Villius Limitanus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Equus October |
| From: |
"Lucius Equitius" <vze23hw7@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:47:50 -0400 |
|
Ex Domo Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Omnibus SPD
Idus October
The Ides of October
This day (NP), is for special religious observance.
This day was sacred to Jupiter and bridged the festivals of the Meditranalia and the Armilustrium. Sacrifices made today at the temples would lead to feasting in the streets to which the public and the poor were all invited. The celebrations would consist of games, music, dance and much drinking of wine. Horse races were held today in special honor of Jupiter, and in the two-horse chariot race on the Campus Martius the right side horse of the winning chariot was sacrificed to Mars. In a curious ceremony, a mock fight was staged over the head of the horse by the people on the Palatine and those on the Esquiline, with the winner hanging it on their respective tower.
15 October ID OCT. NP
Feriae Iove (Arv.)
(Equus October)
The entry of the feast of Jupiter, to who, all the Ides were sacred, has crowded out any reference to the 'October horse' which is given only in the late Calendar of Philocalus as 'Equus ad Nixas fit' (the Ciconiae Nixae were post-Republican).
n 15 October a two horse chariot-race took place in the Campus Martius and the right-hand horse of the victorious pair was sacrificed by the flamen Martialis on the altar to Mars in the Campus: according to Timaeus it was a war horse and was killed with a spear. The horse's head was cut off and decorated with cakes. The inhabitants of the Via Sacra then fought with those of the Suburra for possession of this grisly trophy; the winner, if the former then nailed it to the Turris Mamilia. Meanwhile, the horse's tail, cauda, or genitals, still dripping with blood was allowed to fall on the sacred hearth. The Vestal Virgins probably kept some congealed blood for use at the Parilia on 21 April (p, 105).
The original meaning of the rite has been much disputed: some believe in an agricultural genesis, others emphasize the military aspect. The former regard it as the last of a series of harvest festivals and believe that the horse represented a Corn-spirit. This view derives some support from Festus' statement, id sacrificium fiabat ob frgum eventum ('that sacrifice was made for the success of the crops'), but it is rejected by those who see in it a sacrifice to Mars connected with the purifications of the army on its return from the summer campaign and linked with the Armilustrium on 19 October. Of course an element of the truth might reside in both views: what was first an agricultural rite could have developed into a military one, with a war-horse substituted for a farm-horse, especially if Mars himself started his divine career as an agricultural deity. However that may be, the military aspect prevailed and by the later Republic the October horse was regarded as a cleansing of the army: both Timaeus and Polybius set it in a military context (Polybius deriding Timaeus for linking it with the Trojan horse!). note 256
It may be that the struggle between the two factions had lapsed by the first century BC, but the rest of the ritual apparently continued, and Caesar may have had it in mind when in 44BC he handed over two mutinous soldiers to the pontiffs and the flamen Martialis who killed them in the campus Martius and had their heads fixed on the Regia. note 157
(Ludi Capitolini)
The Capitaline Games are not recorded in the because they were not public Games but were given by a College of the Capitolini. This group of men were still active in the time of Cicero who in 56 BC wrote to his brother, telling him how they had expelled an unworthy member, an Eques named M. Furius Flaccus.The origin of the games is uncertain, but was probably ancient since it was attributed to Romulus or to Camillus who had founded them to celebrate either the saving of the Capital from the Gauls (Livy) or the conquest of Veii (Plutarch and Festus). The former perhaps derives from an attempt to explain the College of Capitolini, while the latter may be linked with a curious custom recorded by Plutarch: at these Games a proclamation was made that 'Sardians are for sale' and an old man, wearing a child's bulla round his neck, was led about in mockery; Plutarch identified this old man with the defeated king of Veii who was sold by auction along with other prisoners. Plutarch then explains that the Sardians were really Etruscans from Veii who had originally come from Sardis in Lydia. This explanation should be rejected since the Sardians must be Sardinans, but it is perhaps not necessary to follow Latte in arguing that since the Romans captured Sardinia only in 238 BC, the Capitoline Games must have been later than that. Sardi venales (Sardinians for sale), became proverbial, but its connection with the Games remains obscure. note 258
If the Games in fact go back to pre-Republican times, they must have been held in honour of Jupiter Feretrius not Jupiter Optimus Maximus whose temple was dedicated only at the beginning of the Republic. Thus whereas Livy who attributed them to Camillus naturally names Jupiter Optimus Maximus, Terulllian and apparently Ennius, who believed in an earlier origin, refer them to Jupiter Feretrius; Tertullian calls them the Tarpeian Games, but says that Piso called them the Capitoline. The temple of Jupiter Feretrius, which was the oldest in Rome and was small, was traditionally built by Romulus to commemorate his winning the spolia opima, and it was here that those trophies which were won only twice in historical times (in 428 and 222 BC), were kept. It contained no statue of the god, but only a scepter and flint, The derivation of Feretrius is probably from ferre, 'to carry', rather than from ferire, 'to strike', both explanations being offered by the sources. If the former, it will refer to the carrying of weapons into the temple for dedication; if the latter, to the striking of agreements. The silex flint, originally probably a meteoric stone, was used by the Fetial priest in the ritual of treaty-making. The worship of Jupiter as a god of war is unusual, and is presumably due to the central position he had gained in seventh-century Rome, the time when the temple was probably dedicated. note 259
To return to the Games themselves, little is known beyond the story of the old man and the reference by a Scholiast on Virgil to Ennius' Annals which, he says, told how Romulus built a temple to Jupiter Feretrius and had greased hides spread out and held Games so that men fought with gauntlets (caestibus) and competed in running (cursu): the competitors were, in Ennius' line, 'rubbed down with oil, made supple and ready for taking arms' (conque fricati oleo lentati adque arma parati). note 260
Taliban Delenda Est
Mars nos protegis
Valete, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus flamen Martialis
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Desapointment with my fellow citizens/condoleance to the afghans |
| From: |
Michael Loughlin <qccaesar@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 06:05:49 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Your criticizing the United States but what about what
your "fellow citizens" in Brazil and what the
government did to the Aborigine's there and throughout
South America? Lands destroyed, people killed whats
the difference other than the fact that the USA is
justified in using a military response to the bombing
of our sovereign lands.
vale,
quintus cornelius caesar
PS: the moral dilemma arguments DO NOT always work.
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A=20=5Bnovaroma=5D=20Desapointment=20with=20my=20fellow=20citizens/co?= |
| From: |
tiberius.ann@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:44:38 +0200 |
|
Excuse me, please!!!!!!!!!!!! I am not yet involved in this new discussion
and I intend to stay out of it, but I have to tell you the following:
1) I was very pleased that after a long time of discussion, everyday work
has started again in Nova Roma.
2) This is the cause for my answer. I find it very hard to believe, that
after the thousands of mails written in rage after the 11. September, I
have to see that things are getting out of hand again.
I would like to call upon everybody to think more than only once before
posting mails about this theme on this list. I think, that everybody who
has followed the discussion knows that tempers will rise and many bad things
will be said.
Please take this as a pointer and not as an attack and think about your
following actions
Valete omnes, Tiberius Annaeus Otho
Cives Germaniae Superioris, provincia Novae Romae
Scriba legata legati provinciae Germaniae Superioris
-- Original-Nachricht --
>HOW DARE YOU!!
>
>To compare the legitimate use of military force against a regime which
>aided, abetted, and probably directly sponsored the single worst terrorist
>attack in history to the scum who perpetrated that attack is unconscionable.
>To even make the assertion is proof of a complete lack of moral sensibility,
>and in defending the human disease that made the Sept. 11th attacks
>possible --and who hide behind their own oppressed civilian population--
>you
>are no better than they.
>
>Innocent Afghans have been killed, yes. But the U.S. action is neither
>indiscriminate nor terroristic; it is specifically targeted and quite mild
>compared to what could be happening now. The wastes-of-skin that slammed
>jetliners into office buildings didn't seem too worked up about the innocent
>lives they were taking. To even use the term "terrorist" to describe what
>the U.S. is doing is so offensive as to be literally unbelievable. You
think
>the Taliban is so great? I'll personally pay for your plane ticket to
>Afghanistan. I demand your apology or your resignation.
>
>As Consul I hereby declare full support for the measured and reasonable
U.S.
>and U.K. actions against the criminal Taliban regime in Afghanistan and
the
>Al Quida terrorist network, and express the definite hope that the
>unfortunate deaths of civilians will only serve to hasten the resolve of
>the
>oppressed masses within Afghanistan to oust those criminals who have made
>these actions necessary.
>
>Valete,
>
>Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
>Consul
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michel Loos [mailto:loos@--------]
>> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:24 AM
>> To: novaroma@--------
>> Subject: [novaroma] Desapointment with my fellow citizens/condoleance
to
>> the afghans
>>
>>
>> Salvete,
>>
>> one week of continued terrorist attacks against one of the poorest
>> country in the world, hundreds of innocents dead among them several
>> world citizens probably thousands of combatants.
>>
>> And here in NovaRoma not one voice of condoleances for the deads
>> not one voice of condennation of this terrorist attack by the USA and
>> the UK.
>>
>> I am really desappointed by my fellow concitizens in NovaRoma (and
>> enjoyed by my fellow brazilians).
>>
>> I hereby express my condoleance to the Afghans and all humans that were
>> attacked by this new vague of state terrorism. I hereby condemn the
>> state terrorism at act.
>>
>> Vale,
>>
>> Manius Villius Limitanus
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [novaroma] Re: Desapointment with my fellow citizens/condoleance to the afghans |
| From: |
Michael Loughlin <qccaesar@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:07:51 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Ave,
well terrorism is apparently thw ord of the day
here. But people seem to be using the term blindly
without consideration of a definition. Terrosism has
a four part definition: 1) minimum of 3-4 people dead,
2.) innocent victims, 3.)act of violence in a public
theatre, 4.) political objective. Now if one wanted
to they could legitimately argue our violence is an
act of terrorism. HOWEVER, we are not the actor in
this case but the reactor. it could be said that
terrorists react but they tend to instigate reactions
like this world wide. Terrorism comes in all forms
state sponsored and group sponsored. It is just a
matter of the justification behind the act and whether
the group commands the power to justify politically
throughout the world and receive support. So in
essence our terrorism is justified. Whether you call
me a bigot etc. for this I say a crime has been
committed on US soil and people must pay and if that
means the loss of life of members of Al Qaeda and
Afghans then so be it. But if anyone is gonna label
the US terrorists in the future step back for a minute
and look at the "terrorism" your respective countries
have committed against other countries as well as
their own people. If anyone here wishes to dispute
that I will gladly point out the terrorist behaviors
from each of your nations. No country is without its
fault and people who do not reside their have no right
to criticize that nation for its actions when they
clearly do not understand the people, culture, and the
reasons why.
vale,
Quintus cornelius Caesar
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Ohio Nova Roma Get-Together |
| From: |
trog99@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:12:14 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, Shane Evans <marcusafricanus@--------> wrote:
> The Fellowship of Romans in Ohio has come and gone.
> It was a very enjoyable time. There were five civies
> from Ohio, tree from Indiana, and our Guest of Honor,
> Gorvernor Germanicus. We displayed our Roman
> attire,played Roman games, and ate a Roman feast.
> Everyone who was in attendance received a lovely
> keepsake compliments of my Corniculus Major, Centurian
> Marcus Bianchi Antonius, without whom I couldnt have
> held this event. With more time to work with the
> Legio and other areas of Nova Roma, we are planning
> for a larger event to be held in the late spring/early
> summer. This event was mostly for anyone in the
> provincia who wanted to come together for a day to get
> to know each other and have an enjoyable time,
> hopefully being able to forget the troubles of the
> days for a little while. Photos from the event should
> be posted to the Nova Roma webpage later this week.
>
> M. Scipio Africanus
> Legate of Lacus Magni Orientalis
Salvete Scipio et Omnes:
I am only sorry that I could not attend this time, due to commitments
with my son. Sounds like the event went well. I am glad you are
planning another one; it will give me another chance to travel down
and meet you all in person.
I am looking forward to the pics :)
Valete,
Pompeia Cornelia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] My Tour Report from Magna Britannia |
| From: |
trog99@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:15:30 -0000 |
|
Salve Theo Tiberi:
May the Divine force/forces of the Universe give you save passage at
home, and peace of mind while you are traveling.
May you be led safely into the harbouring arms of Magna Mater Roma,
who loves you so.
Buona Fortuna, amice,
Pompeia Cornelia
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Desapointment with my fellow citizens/condoleance to the afghans |
| From: |
"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:22:47 +0200 |
|
Ave omnes!
I just want to post a very brief reaction to all this: think of the actions Pompeius undertook against the pirates whor terrorised the Mediterranian in the late Republic, and understand why Pax Romana became possible...
Vale,
C. Puteus Germanicus
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Loughlin
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Desapointment with my fellow citizens/condoleance to the afghans
Ave,
well terrorism is apparently thw ord of the day
here. But people seem to be using the term blindly
without consideration of a definition. Terrosism has
a four part definition: 1) minimum of 3-4 people dead,
2.) innocent victims, 3.)act of violence in a public
theatre, 4.) political objective. Now if one wanted
to they could legitimately argue our violence is an
act of terrorism. HOWEVER, we are not the actor in
this case but the reactor. it could be said that
terrorists react but they tend to instigate reactions
like this world wide. Terrorism comes in all forms
state sponsored and group sponsored. It is just a
matter of the justification behind the act and whether
the group commands the power to justify politically
throughout the world and receive support. So in
essence our terrorism is justified. Whether you call
me a bigot etc. for this I say a crime has been
committed on US soil and people must pay and if that
means the loss of life of members of Al Qaeda and
Afghans then so be it. But if anyone is gonna label
the US terrorists in the future step back for a minute
and look at the "terrorism" your respective countries
have committed against other countries as well as
their own people. If anyone here wishes to dispute
that I will gladly point out the terrorist behaviors
from each of your nations. No country is without its
fault and people who do not reside their have no right
to criticize that nation for its actions when they
clearly do not understand the people, culture, and the
reasons why.
vale,
Quintus cornelius Caesar
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Chicken Soup for the Roman Soul |
| From: |
trog99@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:21:07 -0000 |
|
Salvete Omnes:
I crossposting this link to Cornelia List last night, and in light of
the discussions today in the forum, I find it appropriate to crosspost
here.
It is a link of Cicero's account of the Dream of Publicus Cornelius
Scipio. It deals with virtue, the value and virtue of defending one's
country, and the afterlife.
I found it to be enlightening and inspirational.
Http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/cicero-republic6.html
Bene vale,
Pompeia
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Desapointment with my fellow citizens/condoleance to the |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:16:35 -0700 |
|
Ave,
Please people do NOT FEED this Troll!
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Michel Loos wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
> one week of continued terrorist attacks against one of the poorest
> country in the world, hundreds of innocents dead among them several
> world citizens probably thousands of combatants.
>
> And here in NovaRoma not one voice of condoleances for the deads
> not one voice of condennation of this terrorist attack by the USA and
> the UK.
>
> I am really desappointed by my fellow concitizens in NovaRoma (and
> enjoyed by my fellow brazilians).
>
> I hereby express my condoleance to the Afghans and all humans that
> were
> attacked by this new vague of state terrorism. I hereby condemn the
> state terrorism at act.
>
> Vale,
>
> Manius Villius Limitanus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Desapointment with my fellow citizens/condoleance to the afghans |
| From: |
Shane Evans <marcusafricanus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:18:15 -0700 (PDT) |
|
I have tolerated the rants and ravings of this bafoon
enough now. This was the perverbial straw that broke
my camel's back. I currently hold two military
commissions, one as a Tribune in service to Nova Roma,
and another most importantly, as a Captain in the
United States Army. Although I am asigned as part of
the Homeland Security, my own sister is currently in
Pakistan with a field hospital. I am assuming you
have spent no time in the military, nor have you
really taken any time to actually study any military
history, or tactical theory. So I will take a moment
to give you a quick lesson. In warfare, any form of
warfare, there is to be expected, regretably, a
certain ammount of civilian casualties. This is one
of the evils of warfare. Most civilized nations, such
as the US and Brittain, have developed tactics and
weaponry that greatly reduce the chances of this form
of collateral damage. If you have been monitoring the
news, the US did accidentally hit a civilian target,
and immediatly issued an appology. Unlike the Taliban
government who has regularly done this to their own
people without so much as a legitimate reason why. I
support both our Honorable Consul, and my Provincial
Propraetor of Lacus Magni. Furthermore, I think with
the history of this individual to post things that are
clearly only meant to cause harm and heartache, that
the Senate, Censors, or whoever has this power, should
levy a measure of sensure against this individual, if
not even banishment!
M. Scipio Africanus
Legate of Lacus Magni Orientalis
Tribunus Angusticlavii of the Militarium
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[novaroma] Re: Desapointment with my fellow citizens/condoleance to the afghans |
| From: |
amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:53:17 -0000 |
|
Salvete omnes
Firstly, I'd like you to forgive Manius Villius Limitanus. I believe -
I may be wrong, but still I want to believe - that his revolt is
only due to seeing civilians being killed in this war, and I'm sure
that his condolences go to both the losses of September 11 and the
Afghan people.
Now, any analysis of the facts must be cold, for reason must be just,
not emotive. But latter position is difficult (when not impossible)
to attain when one is closely involved in the analysed situation. As
such I ask everyone to keep the mouth shut about this conflict. Here
we must be Romans independently of macronational politics. Both sides
have their reasons and one must accept that. For the moslems, it is
hard to see their fate being ruled by the interests of the western
states based on the interest of the oil, and yes they think - not
without some reason - that all western citizens who support or stay
passive watching the capitalist governments act unfairly towards them
are guilty, for everyone has a car (including me) and everyone needs
oil and so everyone needs the govenment to keep the outrageous
capitalist strategy in the Middle East, which causes the palestinian
problem not to be solved (despite UN resolutions against Israel),
Iraq to be bombed - while Turkey, which also kills Kurds is not - and
so many innocent moslem civilians to be killed everyday with no
reaction on the part of the UN or the citizens of the offending
western countries who limit themselves to watch the news instead of
going to the streets in protest asking their governments to change.
On the other hand, the western citizens think - not without some
reason - that the moslem enemies are fanatic and kill innocent
civilians, have no respect for democracy, no respect for human
rights, including no respect for the rights of women, no respect for
other religions and cultures, etc.
As Senator and Pontifex of Nova I will keep silent about this matter
and declare my public neutrality. I have already seen deception and
UN resolutions being violated by everyone: NATO, Taliban, Northern
Aliance of Afghanistan (themselves criminals and homicides before the
Taliban rose to power), Pakistan, Iraq, Turkey, Russia, etc.
I lament all the innocent people harmed in this and other wars... In
the same way that Seneca would the innocent people killed in the wars
of his own time. But these are only words that do not improve
anything. Are you happy now, Limitanus?
Valete bene
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Julianus Magnus |
| From: |
"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:11:46 +0200 |
|
Ave!
Fellow Romans, it is already some time ago that I read some books on the emperor Julianus, the last real Imperator, who tried to continue the real Roman tradition by eradicating the christian heretics. Because of his early death, he was called 'Apostata', an heretic himself by the future generations. They prefered a seemingly week emperor like Theodosius being 'Magnus' simply because he was a christian.
My question: is there anybody who has some good information about this emperor (not only his works, but his edicta against christians). I know of one website, http://www.juliansociety.org/, but there surely have to be more. Anyone?
Vale, in pax deorum,
C. Puteus Germanicus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Pompeius Magnus |
| From: |
trog99@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 19:05:28 -0000 |
|
Salvete Omnes:
Just felt the need to expand on exactly what Pompey Magnus did with
the renegade Pirates of the Mediterranean after his 3 month conquest
of him. Just feel a need to sweep away any ambiguity. Most people do
not assume Pompeius did anything "good", and that is why I do this.
I quote from Lionel Casson's book The Ancient Mariners, Princeton
University Press, c1914, 57, 91.......renouned Professor Emeritus
Classics, University of New York.
Primary references: Plutarch, I believe Cicero but the Cambridge book
of Ancient History is back at the library.
I quote from Page 182-83: (CAPS FOR EMPHASIS, NOT YELLING)
"In three months Pompey had accomplished what no power had been able
to do for centuries. Except for a spasmotic outburst now and then,
the age-old plague of the Mediterranean was ended for a long time to
come.
NO DOUBT THE JOB of keeping it that way got off with flying colours
when Pompey, INSTEAD OF BUTCHERING his captives and thereby building
up a debt of hate, in a SOCIALOGICAL experiment that seems startlingly
modern, carefully selected those he judged capable of reforming and
resettled them in towns in the interior where they could start a new
life away from the temptations of the sea...."
This is how Magnus dealt with his captives.
The difference between the Taliban, bin Laden et al. and Pompey's
pirates? Well, to be sure, they were all terrorists, but Pompey had
to arrest his troublemakers before he could rehabilitate them.
We are not that far yet. Pompey's example was a virtuous one.
Just needed to expand......
The lecture is over :)
Pompeia
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Desapointment with my fellow citizens/condoleance to the afghans |
| From: |
Michael Loughlin <qccaesar@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:49:55 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Ave,
well in light of more recent statements concerning
"America's War on terrorism" I felt compelled to say
this:
I hope that none of my statements offended anyone or
contributed to the fuel that fed the fire. I tried to
make what I said as factual as possible and have had
no military training or experience and so cannot
understand what it is likely for the modern day active
soldier. My only understanding comes through
historical books I have read on the military and
military events throughout history. I see no problem
in people giving an opinion on the matter as long as
it is factual and the opinions are cut to a minimum as
much as possible. Claiming to speak for a people or
statements along those lines is not necessary.
Opinions do not help to understand a situation as
complex as this. Understanding can come only through
analysis and the sharing of knowledge. There is no
problem in us discusisng this matter (though it may
cause tempers to rise). We just need to understand
that people are always going to have an opinion and
that can't be avoided but minimized. If this matter
is truly to be discussed we must share our point of
views through facts and that helps to build a better
understanding. IF INDIVIDUALS are NOT CAPABLE of
doing this then do not particpate for nothing good
comes of it.
vale,
Quintus Cornelius Caesar
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Desapointment with my fellow citizens/condoleance to the afghans |
| From: |
radams36@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:43:54 -0000 |
|
Excellent advice, friend Sulla!
Salve,
Rufus Iulius Palaeologus
--- In novaroma@--------, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@e...>
wrote:
> Ave,
>
> Please people do NOT FEED this Troll!
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
>
> Michel Loos wrote:
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > one week of continued terrorist attacks against one of the poorest
> > country in the world, hundreds of innocents dead among them
several
> > world citizens probably thousands of combatants.
> >
> > And here in NovaRoma not one voice of condoleances for the deads
> > not one voice of condennation of this terrorist attack by the USA
and
> > the UK.
> >
> > I am really desappointed by my fellow concitizens in NovaRoma (and
> > enjoyed by my fellow brazilians).
> >
> > I hereby express my condoleance to the Afghans and all humans that
> > were
> > attacked by this new vague of state terrorism. I hereby condemn
the
> > state terrorism at act.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Manius Villius Limitanus
> >
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Fw: [ReligioRomana] Julianus Magnus |
| From: |
"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:28:38 +0200 |
|
----- Original Message -----
From: Caius Puteus Germanicus
To: ReligioRomana@--------
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [ReligioRomana] Julianus Magnus
Salve Antonio!
I'm sorry if I expressed myself too strong. I certainly did not want to hurt anybody's feelings. My girlfriend is herself a christian, so I know damn well what tolerance means. We both express a lot of tolerance and understanding towards each others points of view. I think we are convinced that 'the devine', either seen as one God of three different personae, one omnipotent God (Allah/Jehovah) or as a politheistic conglomerate of different gods, is something universal. We are both very Roman in this, I guess. I want to stress that every cives is convinced of the value of reviving the Religio Romana, even if they share different backgrounds. This is the state religion, which deserves respect from all Romans. This is a big difference with the christians of the ancient empire. They refused to see the value of the state religion, and they opposed the divination of the monarchs. I'm not saying anything to defend the eastern use of making kings and emperors gods, but I have to stress that it is a very Roman custom too: think of Quirinus...
To go on with Julianus, I have a lot of respect for him. I do not say that you have to eradicate christians (the Endlösung) which would be very intolerant. I think the objective of pagans and Julianus in the third century was primarily conservative. Opposing the new religion in a time of enomous difficulties (Barabarians had already crossed the borders and fought in Gallia and the Danubian provinciae). Julianus tried to restore the ancient Rome, which was not even the capital anymore at that time. So, I'm interested in finding out what measures he thougt appropriate. I know he obliged the christians to restore the ancient temples which they had invided with their own money for example. This we can not call negative or oppressive, can we? He also made religio romana the state religion again. This too is not oppressive. Did he burn down churches or crusify christians? (I think he didn't, at least not by thousands)
I think Julianus was the last tolerant emperor who stood up for ancient Rome. The universal Rome, with its openness etc. Only half a century later Augustinus writes his Civitas Dei, which is very intolerant and throws pagans and barbarians both in hell with satan. Who is the most Roman of both?
But I finish as I started, I do'nt want to start a battle against christianity. I'm not Don Quichote. I don't want to offend someone personally. I'm trying to combine a personal feeling of Romanitas with historical facts in the mids of the fourth century...
Vale bene!
C. Puteus Germanicus
----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio Grilo
To: ReligioRomana@--------
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 9:24 PM
Subject: RE: [ReligioRomana] Julianus Magnus
Salve Cai Putee Germanice
I have some remarks...
> Fellow Romans, it is already some time ago that I read some books on the emperor Julianus, the last real Imperator, who tried to continue the
> real Roman tradition by eradicating the christian heretics.
Iulianus did not want to eliminate the christians. He just differed in terms of Theological thinking.
> Because of his early death, he was called 'Apostata', an heretic himself by the future generations. They prefered a seemingly week emperor like
> Theodosius being 'Magnus' simply because he was a christian.
I also remind you that a considerable number of our citizens is christian, namely some good supporters of the revival of the Religio Romana (e.g. dignissime civis Marcus Minucius Audens). So please take that into account whenever posting on the Fora of Nova Roma. The wars of the past are gone. Let Roma have its state religion, but let each citizen chose his (or even none) personal religion according to his personal taste and/or reason.
Pacem deorum
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Very small new feature.... |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:18:55 -0500 (CDT) |
|
Salvete,
For those citizens who are working on gens pages, you can provide a
link to the citizenship application that will have your gens
preselected. The URL linked to should look like this:
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/apply?gensid=22
(replacing "22" with your own numeric gens ID, which can be found by
locating your Gens' Album Gentium page and examining the URL).
Valete, Octavius.
--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneum et Senator
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Renuntatio Propraetoricium VII about the Approved Budget of Thule |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:40:38 +0200 |
|
Ex Officio Propraetoris Thulae
Renuntatio Propraetoricium VII about the Approved Budget of Thule Provincia
2755
The Budget is approved by the Consilium Provincale Thules 14 October 2001
and published 15 October 2001
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, Propraetor Thules
Salvete Senatores, Consules, Senatus Responsorum et Quirites!
Below I present the budget approved by the Consilium Provincale Thules
during its Second Plenum 14 October 2001. I have also kept some of the
commentaries, which I hope will explain some details.
_________________________________________
BUDGET for Provincia Thule, AUC 2755 (2002)
I will not go into the details of selling things. We have tried to buy some
items but not been able to buy any, we will continue to try to get them.
I have planned to buy these things together with my friends in Savar, sell
them to ourselves or interested parties at "Roman Days" for instance and
give the surplus to the Provincial Treasure.
I think that this is the way we have to do things. Buy with our own money,
sell for a higher price and give the surplus to the provincial Treasure,
this way we may build a certain amount of money in the Treasury. I still don't
dream of a rich treasury, yet anyway, I just want a start!
PURPOSE: Collecting some surplus, to maybe be used at the Thule Provincial
Conference, the Summer of 2002.
EXPENSES
Item
Things to sell = $100
Provincial Conference = $150
Information and PR material = $50
Special course at the Academia = $100
____________________________________________
Total $400
REVENUES
Item
Things that will be sold = $130
Cash donations = $250
In-kind donations = $50
Taxes* = $33
____________________________________________
Total $463
Total revenues $463
Total expenses $400*
Current Treasury funds (previous years) $0
Net surplus for year 2755 $63
Total available $63
* Taxes
22* 0,25 * $12 * 0,5
Illustrus Senator, Consul, et Proconsul Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
recommended counting on 25%of the citizens paying taxes (= 0,25 * $12). 50%
of the taxes will be kept by/for the Provincia.
The main thing will be to aim (for the stars and reach the treetops?) for a
netsurplus for this year of $63. How we achieve it isn't that interesting
aslong as we can be active.
As this budget is based on holding a Roman day in or close to the
Propraetorium, we are totally dependent on getting a few things (flags and
coins) to sell. This has taken more time than we thought so this Roman day
(Romani Dies) will have to wait until we have got these things and some
books to sell.
____________________________________________
For now the Propraetor will act as Procurator Aerarium (Provincial
Treasurer), until such time as a more suitable candidate can fill this
position.
There will be long-term financial goals, which probably will start to
really develop after a Procurator Aerarium is appointed.
We hope to hold some fundraising events, such as Toga Parties where we
hope to maybe have Gladiatorial combats as a draw. The fundraising is
mainly for the Provincial Conference, projects, communications, the
Academia and Information and PR material.
___________________________________
I would also like to add this:
As it is hard to predict the outcome of this budget, we will have to be
prepared to cut our expanses. This will be done in this order: First we
will cut down on things to sell (which may lead to a smaller income) and
then we cut down on the Provincial Conference (Which I would prefer to
avoid). As a last way out all expanses will be considered.
I don't want to cut down on the Academia, as I hope that the Academia will
contribute to a good reputation. I also don't want to cut down the
Information and PR material as I hope it is throough these actions that we
will grow. And grow we must!
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an offical opinion of Nova Roma
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"I'll either find a way or make one"
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"Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
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Caeso, he who also is known as Christer Edling.
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Using a keyboard that don't want to make L! :-(
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