| Subject: |
[novaroma] Two Days Left to Vote!! Vote Now! |
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"Appius Tullius Cato" <a.cato@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:07:17 -0400 |
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Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato novaromanis S.P.D.
I would like to remind all citizens that there are still two days left to get your vote in. Go to the Cista at http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/voting/index.html
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] New Topic. |
| From: |
"Marc Sarault" <marc_sarault@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:59:27 +0000 |
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Salvete,
Yes I am interested too, in finding out what one bases is decisions on, as I
am waiting for my citizenship and hopefull to join a Legio or become a
pretorian guard. Looking forward to this topic.
P.S. I bought a latin dictionnary, I'm learning and having fun doing it.
Gratia
Marcus
Marc Sarault
Canada Orientalis
>From: "solinvictus" <caiustarquitius@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: <novaroma@-------->
>Subject: [novaroma] New Topic.
>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:14:10 +0200
>
>Salve, omnes.
>As suggested, I try to create a non-war topic.
>
>If there are any people present out of the reenactment scene, to which I
>belong myself, I`d like to know from these where, in their opinion, lies
>the
>sense in reenacting. Furthermore I´d be interested in
>military-tunic-colour-choice of most groups. Why? and where are the
>sources?
>Of course everybody who is not a reenactor is invited to join the possibly
>evolving discussion.
>Valete.
>
>Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
>
>Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
>
>
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| Subject: |
AW: [novaroma] Reconstruction/New Topic. |
| From: |
"solinvictus" <caiustarquitius@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 02:12:44 +0200 |
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Salve, omnes!
The sense of reenactment here is pretty much the same, although some people
have problems to differ between reenactment and experimental archaeology,
which results in dozens of "archeologists" and not a noticeable larger
amount or quality of publications concerning the topic, than one had before
their arrival. I have the problem that, what I see throughout the "living
history" conventions and the Internet is regularly not even close to
reconstruction.
Thus, people going to conventions, museums and "living history" events
usually get a WRONG picture. Mainly it`s the detail. But many details
constitute the whole.
The main problem then again is the question after the sense. If reenactors
are grosso modo not able to show at least the things we know exactly in a
correct manner, i.e. RECONSTRUCTED, wouldn`t it be far better to let it be?
In Vetera/Xanten, this summer, people ("Romans") were mocking about the
military in the Gladiator movie. Their own equipment was not far away from
the one in the movie, IMO.
If being a member of such a group is in the cause of fun, O.K. But please
not in the public.
If it is because of "teaching", then please only with RECONSTRUCTED
equipment....
An example for the readers, which are not into the subject. In several
northern german bog-deposits roman military cloaks (sagum,sg.)were found,
completely preserved. They are brilliantly published (Schlabof,
Eisenzeitliche Textilfunde o.ä.). We know the material, the type of fabric,
we know the density and the thickness of the threads, and we know the
colours. Even the exact size. Such a cloak can be reconstructed, what would
cost about $2000+. OR you can go to the next cloth-shop and buy some tweed
and take it as a cloak. That`s maybe $100. So far, so good, but even the
smallest child could see the difference.
Is it, because people look into books, see nice pictures and build sthg that
slightly resembles them?
The reconstruction of my own equipment began with shoes, tunic, cingulum,
fibula, cloak. With these things and a hasta I was able to go to any
convention or museum without getting red (my face, not my tunic) if someone
with a better knowledge than general would be present. I had to pay for this
equipment more than most reenactors pay for their complete armoury (i.e.
helmet, lorica, shield, sword etc.). Of course I have to be a "light"
infantryman, but that can change. If someone bought a cheap, bad helmet, all
he has is a cheap, bad helmet. (Available in the Internet, if s.o. is
intersted. Made in India.)
I do not want to say that what I do is great, and what others do not. I´d
rather like to find out what the typical nova roman would say is the better
way in his/her opinion, and what other reenactors think about it.
@ Tiberius Annaeus Otho: I asked the question about tunic colour, because
most reenactment groups wear red tunics, what the romans obviously did not.
( If you don`t belive ME ask Peter Conolly). From the republic on, as can be
seen on the Aemilius Paulus Monument where colours are left, up to late
antiquity the roman soldiers wear white tunics, with or without clavi,
depending on the period. Hundreds of fragments of tunics and several
complete ones have been found in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordania, the
earliest from 1st century A.D. They are ALL white. With a relatively new
method colours on stone monuments can be made visible. Not a single
non-white soldier-tunic has been found in this way. So I say: If we have all
this stuff, why make red (or blue, excuse me) tunics? O.K. it would be
difficult to prove that there had never been some. But why not taking the
material we have? ( Besides, I think I have seen your group before. You have
those tridents on your shield, don`t you? Those blue tunics look good, no
question, but.... Your shield desingns are great.)
Once again, I do not want to offend people, I just want to find out what you
all think.
In addition, as it belongs to this topic in some way... what do people think
should a NR building or vicus be like? Reconstructed? Gladiator Movie? Or
modern looking like ancient (NRgrunge)? Or sthg else...?
Valete!
Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: tiberius.ann@-------- [mailto:tiberius.ann@--------]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Oktober 2001 21:52
An: novaroma@--------
Betreff: RE: [novaroma] New Topic.
Our swiss legion, legio XI Claudia Pia Fidelis is clad in dark blue, because
it is often taken to be the color of Fides. Furthermore we have written
data, that Neptune was the patron God of this legion and water is also blue.
For us here in Switzerland, the sense in reenactment is, trying to show
the public and the schools, etc. what it could have been like. Furthermore
it is also a means for us students to get into our studies instead of
staying
on top of them.
Vale, Tiberius Annaeus Otho
-- Original-Nachricht --
>Salve, omnes.
>As suggested, I try to create a non-war topic.
>
>If there are any people present out of the reenactment scene, to which
I
>belong myself, I`d like to know from these where, in their opinion, lies
>the
>sense in reenacting. Furthermore I´d be interested in
>military-tunic-colour-choice of most groups. Why? and where are the
sources?
>Of course everybody who is not a reenactor is invited to join the possibly
>evolving discussion.
>Valete.
>
>Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
>
>Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
AW: [novaroma] New Topic. |
| From: |
"solinvictus" <caiustarquitius@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 02:22:58 +0200 |
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Salve!
I fully agree. I know some SCA-folks here. They have a lot of fun. And they
are not very much in public, so their lack of reconstruction-quality does
not really matter. And by the way, isn`t that how most people started? With
a self made tunic or toga and a nice party together with other "freaks"?
Vale!
Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Teleri ferch Nyfain [mailto:rckovak@--------]
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Oktober 2001 00:22
An: novaroma@--------
Betreff: Re: [novaroma] New Topic.
I belonged to the SCA for years, which is of course has a rather loose
attitude about authenticity (what with the vast time periods, the Medieval
football players, etc). Still, I joined because it helps me to see and
experience how things work, how clothes feel to wear, what it's like to do
without technology in the kitchen, etc. Hands-on helps sort out which
theories of everyday living work & which are academic silliness. That's why
I'll choose a living history site over a museum tour any day.
Valete,
Helena Galeria
----- Original Message -----
From: solinvictus
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:14 AM
Subject: [novaroma] New Topic.
Salve, omnes.
As suggested, I try to create a non-war topic.
If there are any people present out of the reenactment scene, to which I
belong myself, I`d like to know from these where, in their opinion, lies
the
sense in reenacting. Furthermore I´d be interested in
military-tunic-colour-choice of most groups. Why? and where are the
sources?
Of course everybody who is not a reenactor is invited to join the possibly
evolving discussion.
Valete.
Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
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| Subject: |
AW: [novaroma] Re: New Topic. |
| From: |
"solinvictus" <caiustarquitius@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 02:33:01 +0200 |
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Salve.
Yes, there is. At the moment i have no idea which unit it is, but they are
having a website, which is linked to several german reenactor-sites. So go
to www.google.de, enter "römisches Militär" and look through the different
pages. If you don`t get along send me a mail.
Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Mike Rasschaert [mailto:hadescallias@--------]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Oktober 2001 23:54
An: novaroma@--------
Betreff: [novaroma] Re: New Topic.
Salvete
Is there any reenactment taking place in belgium?
Valete
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| Subject: |
AW: [novaroma] Re: national anthem |
| From: |
"solinvictus" <caiustarquitius@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 02:43:03 +0200 |
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Ave.
No, pleeeeaaaaaaase not. Even if I have no better suggestion. But
pleeeeeaaaase not.
Hmmm. maybe I even have a better one. What about "The Romans went in one by
one" or sthg alike?
Apart from that, the Romans had no Anthem. A Anthem is something that comes
out of a modern context. As it usually has something to do with nationalism
or the concept of national states, it is something that evolved out of
extremely non-roman structures, and therefore does not fulfill the demands
of romanitas, i.e. a anthem IMO would be a bad medium to represent romanitas
and NR.
Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: CJ Sitter [mailto:otto_von_sitter@--------]
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Oktober 2001 01:53
An: novaroma@--------
Betreff: [novaroma] Re: national anthem
Has anyone heard the track called "The Might of Rome" on the
"Gladiator" soundtrack? It's the one played when the
Commodus character returns to Rome. Maybe that would make
a good anthem if it was modified and words added.
Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
--- In novaroma@--------, "Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@h...>
wrote:
> Ave!
>
> Is there anybody on this list who is good in writing music and
who feels like composing a nathional hymn, about the glory of
Rome and its gods?
>
> Good idea or not?
>
> Vale!
> C. Puteus Germanicus
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] New Topic. |
| From: |
Marcus Longinius <irminius@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:32:25 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salve,
We are trying to start a Legion here in the Houston
area.We will be oganized with the Legio manned by NR
citizens and the Auxilia manned by non-citizens.We
will also have a pay scale using NR coins this adds
something to the whole affair.
Vale
M.Irminius Longinus
--- solinvictus <caiustarquitius@--------> wrote:
> Salve, omnes.
> As suggested, I try to create a non-war topic.
>
> If there are any people present out of the
> reenactment scene, to which I
> belong myself, I`d like to know from these where, in
> their opinion, lies the
> sense in reenacting. Furthermore I´d be interested
> in
> military-tunic-colour-choice of most groups. Why?
> and where are the sources?
> Of course everybody who is not a reenactor is
> invited to join the possibly
> evolving discussion.
> Valete.
>
> Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
>
> Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Osama's Guilt |
| From: |
amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 08:57:46 -0000 |
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Salve amice
>Iraq...it
> maybe because of
> their ill reputation as a country.As far as I can remember we
never
> tried to invade
> another country...we never tried to threaten the world with
nuclear and
> chemical
> weapons...and we never use any sort of Terror in any part of
the world!
Well, but then you have Serbia as well... The very same situation
regarding Kosovo...
> These might be the reasons but of course these are also
only the
> personal views
> of a man who prefers spending his time reading about Rome
instead of
> the world
> politics !
> I hope that suspicious letter is harmless...we need our
>Pontifex here!
Thanks for your wishes =)! I'm sure it was harmless. It's just the
wave of panic created by an enemy who is nowhere and everywhere at
the same time.
Vale bene
Graecus
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| Subject: |
AW: [novaroma] New Topic. |
| From: |
"solinvictus" <caiustarquitius@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:15:02 +0200 |
|
Ave!
Good luck for your plans. Which period will be covered by your troop?
Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Marcus Longinius [mailto:irminius@--------]
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Oktober 2001 03:32
An: novaroma@--------
Betreff: Re: [novaroma] New Topic.
Salve,
We are trying to start a Legion here in the Houston
area.We will be oganized with the Legio manned by NR
citizens and the Auxilia manned by non-citizens.We
will also have a pay scale using NR coins this adds
something to the whole affair.
Vale
M.Irminius Longinus
--- solinvictus <caiustarquitius@--------> wrote:
> Salve, omnes.
> As suggested, I try to create a non-war topic.
>
> If there are any people present out of the
> reenactment scene, to which I
> belong myself, I`d like to know from these where, in
> their opinion, lies the
> sense in reenacting. Furthermore I´d be interested
> in
> military-tunic-colour-choice of most groups. Why?
> and where are the sources?
> Of course everybody who is not a reenactor is
> invited to join the possibly
> evolving discussion.
> Valete.
>
> Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
>
> Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
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| From: |
tiberius.ann@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:13:01 +0200 |
|
Salve,
Thanks for the good infos and the compliments. Indeed, you must have seen
us if you know about our shield design. Unfortunately I am not a member
of the legio because of financial problems. I am, however, a member of the
civilian reenactment group in Basel, Switzerland. I will forward your infos
and your compliments about the shield design to our legion including the
BUT part of it, so that they can keep on improving. By the way, we were
of the first to change from red to another color because of the fact that
red was not as wide spread as most people think.
My prefered NR building would be reconstructed. I could never visit a modern
building in tunica and say that this is like home.
By the way, I am almost never insulted or offended by a normal discussion
of a topic where not even our history professors at the university all think
the same!!!!
Vale, Tiberius Annaeus Otho
-- Original Text in excerpts --
> @ Tiberius Annaeus Otho: I asked the question about tunic colour, because
>most reenactment groups wear red tunics, what the romans obviously did
not.
>( If you don`t belive ME ask Peter Conolly). From the republic on, as can
>be seen on the Aemilius Paulus Monument where colours are left, up to late
>antiquity the roman soldiers wear white tunics, with or without clavi,
>depending on the period. Hundreds of fragments of tunics and several
>complete ones have been found in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordania, the
>earliest from 1st century A.D. They are ALL white. With a relatively new
>method colours on stone monuments can be made visible. Not a single
>non-white soldier-tunic has been found in this way. So I say: If we have
>all
>this stuff, why make red (or blue, excuse me) tunics? O.K. it would be
>difficult to prove that there had never been some. But why not taking the
>material we have? ( Besides, I think I have seen your group before. You
have
>those tridents on your shield, don`t you? Those blue tunics look good,
no
>question, but.... Your shield desingns are great.)
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Osama's Guilt |
| From: |
Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion <rapax@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:37:03 +0300 |
|
Salve...
I think I can follow your logic...you want to create a perfect
world order where
there are a standard rules which apply to every nation,every
country..same sort of
punishments to the similar faults...though it would 've made everything
easier..
it is impossible to practice.You just can't 'standardize' the countries
..there are
thousands of different situations in which a country may act...you have
to search
their history,their political background,their geographical
position,their religions,
developments,customs,views,neighbors,peoples,cultural layouts,present
conditions,
future designs....and when you do that you will realize that though all
seems
same from the surface...beneath,all can be so different from each other !
You just can't associate us with Iraq because we have the same
problem with
the Kurdish people..the conditions I tried to count above are very
different between
the two countries..same goes with Serbs who tried some sort of genocide
there.
So,I'm sorry but though I admit that we have lots of problems
to solve yet..
I think we still are 'The Nice Guys' ...:))
Vale bene
Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Salve amice
>
> >Iraq...it
> > maybe because of
> > their ill reputation as a country.As far as I can remember we
>never
> > tried to invade
> > another country...we never tried to threaten the world with
>nuclear and
> > chemical
> > weapons...and we never use any sort of Terror in any part of
>the world!
>Well, but then you have Serbia as well... The very same situation
>regarding Kosovo...
>
> > These might be the reasons but of course these are also
>only the
> > personal views
> > of a man who prefers spending his time reading about Rome
>instead of
> > the world
> > politics !
> > I hope that suspicious letter is harmless...we need our
> >Pontifex here!
>Thanks for your wishes =)! I'm sure it was harmless. It's just the
>wave of panic created by an enemy who is nowhere and everywhere at
>the same time.
>
>Vale bene
>Graecus
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem XIV Kalendas Novembres (October 26th) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:06:07 +0100 |
|
Pontifex Antonius Gryllus Graecus omnibus salutem
This is a dies nefastus publicus (NP), a day for special religious
observance on which no legal action or public business can take place.
The beginning of the campaigning season in March had been marked by the
dancing of the Salii through the streets (March 1st), the Equirria (March
14th), the Quinquatrus (March 19th) and the Tubilustrium (March 23rd), so
its end in October saw the ceremonies of the October horse (October 13th)
and today the Armilustrium when the army had to be purified from the
dangerous infection that it may have incurred from contact with bloodshed
and strangers. This was a festival in honour of Mars; his Salian priests
probably once again danced and sang through the streets, during the
sacrifices tubae were sounded, and the arma and ancillia were purified and
then put away until the next year. It appears from Plutarch and Varro that
the lustratio was performed on the Aventine 'ad Circum Maximum' in an open
space called Armilustrium (it lay south of what is nowadays the church of S.
Sabina), the Aventine possibly being the last point in the procession of the
Salii. [Varro, De Lingua Latina, 5.15.3] [Festus, 17L] [Plutarch, Roman
Questions, 23.3] [Lydus, De Mensibus, 4.34]
An entry in the Praenestine calendar seems to apply to 20 October, but it
could be a note to the previous day's Armilustrium. It runs '[...] sanguinem
gustare antea frequenter solebant' ('they frequently used blood to taste
blood before'). This presumably refers to the tasting of blood from the
sacrifice, a practice which had apparently ceased by the time of Augustus
when the calendar was composed.
Di vos incolumes custodiant
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Osama's Guilt |
| From: |
amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:24:25 -0000 |
|
Salve iterum amice Publi Senti Rutiliane Dexion
> I think I can follow your logic...you want to create a
perfect
> world order where
> there are a standard rules which apply to every nation,every
> country..same sort of
> punishments to the similar faults...
Exactly. Maybe I read too much Greco-Roman Philosophy... =)
>though it would 've made everything
> easier..
> it is impossible to practice.You just can't 'standardize' the
countries
> ..there are
> thousands of different situations in which a country may
act...you have
> to search
> their history,their political background,their geographical
> position,their religions,
> developments,customs,views,neighbors,peoples,cultural
layouts,present
> conditions,
> future designs....and when you do that you will realize that
though all
> seems
> same from the surface...beneath,all can be so different from
each other !
> You just can't associate us with Iraq because we have
the same
> problem with
> the Kurdish people..the conditions I tried to count above are
very
> different between
> the two countries..same goes with Serbs who tried some sort of
genocide
> there.
Well, in fact I accept the world as it is with all its complexity.
But whenever the troops of my country collaborate in peacekeeping
missions, at least I am able to see that unlike the government says,
they are not there to defend Democracy and human rights (of course
the latter are sometimes a good collateral effect, but nevertheless
usually as much collateral as the bad effect of civilian losses). The
truth is that nations fight each other to defend their interests, and
when they don't fight, it's because their interest is better kept
with peace, independently of the human rights being respected or not
in other countries. Human rights, Democracy, etc. are just excuses
just like the fact that the Carthaginians sacrificed children was a
good argument for the romans. But do you believe that the romans
sacrificed their men to save the Carthaginian children? I don't.
Maybe with the evolution of our species we can change this phenomenon
and maybe the world will one day allow the definition of such
a "standard" respected by everyone and appliable in all cases, just
like Plato would certainly like.
Di te bene ament
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
> So,I'm sorry but though I admit that we have lots of
problems
> to solve yet..
> I think we still are 'The Nice Guys' ...:))
>
> Vale bene
> Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion
> -------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------
> >Salve amice
> >
> > >Iraq...it
> > > maybe because of
> > > their ill reputation as a country.As far as I can remember
we
> >never
> > > tried to invade
> > > another country...we never tried to threaten the world with
> >nuclear and
> > > chemical
> > > weapons...and we never use any sort of Terror in any part of
> >the world!
> >Well, but then you have Serbia as well... The very same situation
> >regarding Kosovo...
> >
> > > These might be the reasons but of course these are also
> >only the
> > > personal views
> > > of a man who prefers spending his time reading about Rome
> >instead of
> > > the world
> > > politics !
> > > I hope that suspicious letter is harmless...we need our
> > >Pontifex here!
> >Thanks for your wishes =)! I'm sure it was harmless. It's just the
> >wave of panic created by an enemy who is nowhere and everywhere at
> >the same time.
> >
> >Vale bene
> >Graecus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] ARMILUSTIUM |
| From: |
"Lucius Equitius" <vze23hw7@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:50:21 -0400 |
|
Modern Date : October 19th Market Day
The Armilustrium
This day (NP), is for special religious observance.
The Armilustrium is the day the army is lustrated, or purified. The army would be assembled and reviewed in the Circus Maximus, garlanded with flowers and the trumpets (tubae) would be played as part of the purification rites. This is one of the festival day and the temples would sacrifice, then prepare feasts from the animals sacrificed, and the public and poor were invited. Games, music, dancing, singing and wine-drinking would conclude the festivities.
As a military festival, this day is sacred to Mars.
19 October XIV KAL. NOV. NP Dies religiosus
ARMILUSTIUM
The beginning of the campaigning season in March had been marked by the dancing of the Salii through the streets (p. 85), the Equirria (p. 89), the Quinquatrus and the Tubilustrium (p. 92), so its end in October saw the ceremonies of the October horse and the Armilustrium when the army had to be purified from the dangerous infection that it may have incurred from contact with bloodshed and strangers. This was a festival in honour of Mars; his Salian priests probably once again danced and sang through the streets, during the sacrifices tubae were sounded, and the arma and ancillia were purified and then put away until the next year. It appears from Plutarch and Varro that the lustratio was performed on the Aventine 'ad Circum Maximum' in an open space called Armilustrium (it lay south of the church of S. Sabina), the Aventine possibly being the last point in the procession of the Salii. note 261
An entry in the Praenestine calendar seems to apply to 20 October, but it could be a note to the previous day's Armilustrium. It runs '[...] sanguinem gustare antea frequenter solebant' (they frequently used blood to taste blood before'). This presumably refers to the tasting of blood from the sacrifice, a practice which had apparently ceased by the time of Augustus when the calendar was composed.
Mars nos protegas
Valete, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Flamen Martalis
Taliban delenda est!
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|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Anti terror intervention |
| From: |
radams36@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:33:07 -0000 |
|
Snip!
> Considerations about the so called war on Afghanistan
>
> A) It is not a war on Afghanistan state and legal government in
the eyes
> of:
> 1) UN which never recognized Taliban's government
> 2) Organizations of muslim states same as above
> 3) All states in the world except Pakistan, the only state in
present
> recognizing the the Taliban as a legitimate goverment. (Of course
they
> installed them, but that notwistanding they help the coalition
against
> Talibans & Terror).
> 4) The resistence of Northerners against arab-pakistani dominated
Talibans
> dictatorship
> 5) The previous government of Afghanistan still recognized by UN,
> 6) The former king which is trying to form a kind of constitutional
assembly
> to estabilish the Afghan state on new foundations (comprensive of
all etnic
> groups) .
>
> B) Is legally an act of self defense according to the founding UN
Charter
>
> C) Is made OBEYING to one of the 3 UN resolutions voted almost at
unanimity
> (except IRAQ - if I am correct ) the one which says that ALL
COUNTRIES
> MUST ERADICATE TERRORISM BY ANY AVAILABLE MEANS
> (my words from reports heard in languages different from english).
>
> D) is made in accordance with a coalition never seen before in
history,
> almost the unanimity of all nations
> E) Is made do not to surrender the fondamental values of our
civilization:
> Freedom from fear, freedom of religion, and no less important
> Sovereignity at home and for foreign policy of a sovereign state
(lake
> USA which doesn't want his foreign policy dictated by a self
appointed
> prophet).
> F) Is almost all the hope of change for millions of practicl slaves
in
> Afghanistan, especially women condemned to live in walking cells of
darkness
> under their Burqa, true mobile prison.
>
> --------------------------------
>
> George Orwell about pacifism
>
> "[T]here is a minority of intellectual pacifists whose real though
> unadmitted motive appears to be HATRED of western democracy and
admiration
> of totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to
saying that
> one side is AS BAD AS the other, but if one looks closely at the
writings of
> younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any
means
> express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely
against
> Britain and the United States. Moreover they do not as a rule
condemn
> violence as such, but only violence used in defence of
> western countries." -George Orwell, "Notes on Nationalism," 1945
>
>
> "In so far as it hampers the British war effort, British pacifism
is on the
> side of the Nazis, and German pacifism, if it exists, is on the
side of
> Britain and the USSR. Since pacifists have more freedom of action in
> countries where traces of democracy survive, pacifism can act more
> effectively against democracy than for it. Objectively the pacifist
is
> pro-Nazi." - George Orwell [1941]
>
> -------------------
> Best regards
> Marcus Prometheus
A well considered post, Prometheus, and your A-F points are all well-
made and undeniably true. Just as importantly, they are stated in a
calm, rational, well-reasoned fashion, and are not voiced stridently,
offensively, or insultingly. Well done!
Salve,
Rufus Iulius Palaeologus
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Punishment in Nova Roma |
| From: |
QFabiusMaxmi@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:20:16 EDT |
|
Salvete!
With the air war winding down, and things in hand in the US, I have been
released to return to my studies. Sigh.
I'm going to post here on the Forum the first in my planned series on Roman
Law and the republic that was originally set to be released in Sept.
While this should be on the Law list, my little lap top doesn't have that
URL and I can't find it in Yahoo groups. So I wanted to get the ball
rolling.
First we have talk about punishment. It is all well and good to have a code
of leges, but if they cannot be enforced, what exactly is the point? So the
question must be, how did Rome deal with law breakers? By inflicting Death,
Banishment, Fines, Slavery.
How can we modify these to fit our recreation of Rome?
Death is actually easy. Permanent banishment from NR is the equivalent of
virtual death.
To not be allowed to chat among the citizens, to banned from our Forum, to
have the Pontiffs curse the name for eternity, that should be the heaviest
penalty of all. And reserved for capital cases.
Next we have temporary banishment. Again to not be allowed to chat among the
citizens, to banned from our Forum it is a severe punishment if one enjoys
interacting with NR, if one doesn't, then this punishment is pretty useless.
That brings us to the next punishment, Fines. This would not doable without
pay pal, but with that option, magistrates can levy fines, and guilty
citizens can pay using credit cards. If they do not have credit cards,
magistrates will have them make other arrangements, see below.
Slavery: The republic cannot send citizens to the salt mines, or the arena,
so slavery is out, but public office aid is not. For punishment, magistrates
can assign citizens to help out magistracies, in indentured servitude if you
will, for certain amounts of time.
The important thing is to keep this flexible. If one cannot afford the
fines, then servitude is indicated. If one rather pay, then be struck
working for the republic, the fines are indicated.
In this way we can have some "teeth" in our leges, allowing our citizens to
take the republic's laws seriously. For without laws, what kind of
reconstruction do we have?
I hope to be back home tomorrow so I can continue this post on the law list.
Valete!
Q. Fabius Maximus
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|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Osama's Guilt |
| From: |
Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion <rapax@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:48:36 +0300 |
|
> Salve amice....
A fine analysis of social pschology and human nature..I fully agree
but as a
Misanthrope- though I can't totally say 'Lasciate Ogni Speranza'-..I'm
not very
hopeful from our future..the world we live in leaves no place even for
the optimistic
Utopias.
Vale bene...
Dexion
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Well, in fact I accept the world as it is with all its complexity.
>But whenever the troops of my country collaborate in peacekeeping
>missions, at least I am able to see that unlike the government says,
>they are not there to defend Democracy and human rights (of course
>the latter are sometimes a good collateral effect, but nevertheless
>usually as much collateral as the bad effect of civilian losses). The
>truth is that nations fight each other to defend their interests, and
>when they don't fight, it's because their interest is better kept
>with peace, independently of the human rights being respected or not
>in other countries. Human rights, Democracy, etc. are just excuses
>just like the fact that the Carthaginians sacrificed children was a
>good argument for the romans. But do you believe that the romans
>sacrificed their men to save the Carthaginian children? I don't.
>
>Maybe with the evolution of our species we can change this phenomenon
>and maybe the world will one day allow the definition of such
>a "standard" respected by everyone and appliable in all cases, just
>like Plato would certainly like.
>
>Di te bene ament
>Antonius Gryllus Graecus
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Reconstruction/New Topic. |
| From: |
"CJ Sitter" <otto_von_sitter@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:43:47 -0000 |
|
I know it isn't exactly sticking with continuity and historical
accurracy and all that, but in my humble opinion, I tend to think
the red or blue tunics look better than just a plain white one. At
least that's what I think.
Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
--- In novaroma@--------, "solinvictus" <caiustarquitius@g...> wrote:
> Salve, omnes!
>
> The sense of reenactment here is pretty much the same,
although some people
> have problems to differ between reenactment and
experimental archaeology,
> which results in dozens of "archeologists" and not a noticeable
larger
> amount or quality of publications concerning the topic, than
one had before
> their arrival. I have the problem that, what I see throughout the
"living
> history" conventions and the Internet is regularly not even close
to
> reconstruction.
> Thus, people going to conventions, museums and "living
history" events
> usually get a WRONG picture. Mainly it`s the detail. But many
details
> constitute the whole.
>
> The main problem then again is the question after the sense. If
reenactors
> are grosso modo not able to show at least the things we know
exactly in a
> correct manner, i.e. RECONSTRUCTED, wouldn`t it be far
better to let it be?
> In Vetera/Xanten, this summer, people ("Romans") were
mocking about the
> military in the Gladiator movie. Their own equipment was not
far away from
> the one in the movie, IMO.
> If being a member of such a group is in the cause of fun, O.K.
But please
> not in the public.
> If it is because of "teaching", then please only with
RECONSTRUCTED
> equipment....
>
> An example for the readers, which are not into the subject. In
several
> northern german bog-deposits roman military cloaks
(sagum,sg.)were found,
> completely preserved. They are brilliantly published (Schlabof,
> Eisenzeitliche Textilfunde o.ä.). We know the material, the type
of fabric,
> we know the density and the thickness of the threads, and we
know the
> colours. Even the exact size. Such a cloak can be
reconstructed, what would
> cost about $2000+. OR you can go to the next cloth-shop and
buy some tweed
> and take it as a cloak. That`s maybe $100. So far, so good, but
even the
> smallest child could see the difference.
>
> Is it, because people look into books, see nice pictures and
build sthg that
> slightly resembles them?
>
> The reconstruction of my own equipment began with shoes,
tunic, cingulum,
> fibula, cloak. With these things and a hasta I was able to go to
any
> convention or museum without getting red (my face, not my
tunic) if someone
> with a better knowledge than general would be present. I had
to pay for this
> equipment more than most reenactors pay for their complete
armoury (i.e.
> helmet, lorica, shield, sword etc.). Of course I have to be a
"light"
> infantryman, but that can change. If someone bought a cheap,
bad helmet, all
> he has is a cheap, bad helmet. (Available in the Internet, if s.o.
is
> intersted. Made in India.)
>
> I do not want to say that what I do is great, and what others do
not. I´d
> rather like to find out what the typical nova roman would say is
the better
> way in his/her opinion, and what other reenactors think about it.
>
> @ Tiberius Annaeus Otho: I asked the question about tunic
colour, because
> most reenactment groups wear red tunics, what the romans
obviously did not.
> ( If you don`t belive ME ask Peter Conolly). From the republic
on, as can be
> seen on the Aemilius Paulus Monument where colours are left,
up to late
> antiquity the roman soldiers wear white tunics, with or without
clavi,
> depending on the period. Hundreds of fragments of tunics and
several
> complete ones have been found in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon,
Jordania, the
> earliest from 1st century A.D. They are ALL white. With a
relatively new
> method colours on stone monuments can be made visible.
Not a single
> non-white soldier-tunic has been found in this way. So I say: If
we have all
> this stuff, why make red (or blue, excuse me) tunics? O.K. it
would be
> difficult to prove that there had never been some. But why not
taking the
> material we have? ( Besides, I think I have seen your group
before. You have
> those tridents on your shield, don`t you? Those blue tunics
look good, no
> question, but.... Your shield desingns are great.)
>
> Once again, I do not want to offend people, I just want to find
out what you
> all think.
> In addition, as it belongs to this topic in some way... what do
people think
> should a NR building or vicus be like? Reconstructed?
Gladiator Movie? Or
> modern looking like ancient (NRgrunge)? Or sthg else...?
>
> Valete!
>
> Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
>
> Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
>
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: ti--------us.ann@-------- [mailto:ti--------us.ann@--------]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Oktober 2001 21:52
> An: novaroma@--------
> Betreff: RE: [novaroma] New Topic.
>
>
> Our swiss legion, legio XI Claudia Pia Fidelis is clad in dark
blue, because
> it is often taken to be the color of Fides. Furthermore we have
written
> data, that Neptune was the patron God of this legion and water
is also blue.
>
> For us here in Switzerland, the sense in reenactment is, trying
to show
> the public and the schools, etc. what it could have been like.
Furthermore
> it is also a means for us students to get into our studies
instead of
> staying
> on top of them.
>
> Vale, Tiberius Annaeus Otho
>
> -- Original-Nachricht --
>
> >Salve, omnes.
> >As suggested, I try to create a non-war topic.
> >
> >If there are any people present out of the reenactment scene,
to which
> I
> >belong myself, I`d like to know from these where, in their
opinion, lies
> >the
> >sense in reenacting. Furthermore I´d be interested in
> >military-tunic-colour-choice of most groups. Why? and where
are the
> sources?
> >Of course everybody who is not a reenactor is invited to join
the possibly
> >evolving discussion.
> >Valete.
> >
> >Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
> >
> >Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Market Day chat: 26 October |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:08:54 -0500 (CDT) |
|
Salvete Omnes,
A few years ago, we had a tradition of public chats on "Market Days",
which occurred once every nundinium.
In the past year, attendance at chats has become more sporadic, and now
seems to have nearly died out. The new chat system, which I created a
few months ago, was well-liked at first; but has been little-used since.
If we start using it regularly again, then I'll try to work on the program
more often, and add requested features to it.
I'd like to revive the tradition of Market Day chats. Easy identification
of such days was one of my reasons for creating the Calendar tool a few
weeks ago. You can view the Nova Roma Calendar at:
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/calendar/cview
...and, in it, you'll see that every eighth day (or ninth day, using the
ancient counting method) is designated as a "Market Day". (As a baseline
for this calculation we used pridie Kal. Mart 2751).
The next Market Day is 26 October 2001, a Friday. I invite all to join
in the public chat on that day.
The proposed times for Market Day chats:
If on a saturday or sunday, one session, beginning at:
8pm Roma = 7pm UK = 1pm US/Central = 11am US/Pacific
If on a weekday, two sessions, one for Europe and one for Americas:
I. 8pm Roma = 7pm UK
II. 8pm US/Central = 6pm US/Pacific
Thus, next friday, 26 October, I invite all interested citizens to come
to http://www.novaroma.org/bin/chat/chat at either 8pm Roman time or
8pm US/Central time (or both, for those lucky enough to work at home
or not need sleep!)
Valete,
Octavius.
--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneum et Senator
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Rome today |
| From: |
Michael Loughlin <qccaesar@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 18 Oct 2001 23:09:11 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Ave,
Today one of my classes at school went on this
very boring field trip to this art museum in
massachusetts...DeCordova (I think)...I'm not an art
person...but being long and boring I had some time to
think to myself...so here's what I was wondering and
propose as a new topic of discussion to move away from
the Bin Laden/Afghanistan argument:
In its time Rome, both Republic and Imperial,
were mighty from my point of view. What do you think
it would be like today? Think of every aspect of life
social, political and military. Would the empire
still be as glorious as it was as we know it? Would
there military be as dominating as it once was? Would
the imperial approach to politics have lasted or would
it have withdrawn back to republican politics? What
effect would globalization have had on Rome? Do you
think in its vastness its culture would have been
corrupted by the international influence or would it
have retained its culture? How do you think the
paganistic religion have been welcomed in present
times? We've had so much persecution of pagans
throughout the past few centuries what effect would
those anti-pagan crusades have had on Rome?
Sorry if I'm digging up old discussions but I was
bored and thought I'd get others opinions/feelings on
the issue and see how they compare with mine.
vale,
Quintus Cornelius Caesar
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| Subject: |
Re: AW: [novaroma] New Topic. |
| From: |
Marcus Longinius <irminius@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 06:23:02 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Ave
Most likly Late republic to early Empire Lorica
segmentata would be real hot Here in Houston .
Vale
M. Irminius Longinus
--- solinvictus <caiustarquitius@--------> wrote:
> Ave!
> Good luck for your plans. Which period will be
> covered by your troop?
>
> Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
>
> Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Marcus Longinius [mailto:irminius@--------]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Oktober 2001 03:32
> An: novaroma@--------
> Betreff: Re: [novaroma] New Topic.
>
>
> Salve,
> We are trying to start a Legion here in the Houston
> area.We will be oganized with the Legio manned by NR
> citizens and the Auxilia manned by non-citizens.We
> will also have a pay scale using NR coins this adds
> something to the whole affair.
> Vale
> M.Irminius Longinus
> --- solinvictus <caiustarquitius@--------> wrote:
> > Salve, omnes.
> > As suggested, I try to create a non-war topic.
> >
> > If there are any people present out of the
> > reenactment scene, to which I
> > belong myself, I`d like to know from these where,
> in
> > their opinion, lies the
> > sense in reenacting. Furthermore I´d be interested
> > in
> > military-tunic-colour-choice of most groups. Why?
> > and where are the sources?
> > Of course everybody who is not a reenactor is
> > invited to join the possibly
> > evolving discussion.
> > Valete.
> >
> > Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
> >
> > Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Rome today |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:17:33 -0700 |
|
Ave,
Let me state this is a very interesting series of questions. Definately something to ponder about. However, I am sure most of our answers will vary depending on how must we feel Rome would have evolved. If there are those of us who feel Rome would have strived to maintain the old ways, then our conclusions will be different. If there are those of us who believe Rome would have maintained the trend towards orientalism (a la the Byzantine culture) then their hypothesis will shape their conclusion. If there are those of us who believe Rome would developed in the trend of Western States (following a style similar to the Middle ages and the eventually culture and society of divine right of kings and eventual democracies) then their views will influence their conclusions. However, we cannot disregard other potential influences such as the Islamic explosion in the 7th century, but interesting questions do arise. Such as, is the Eastern (if there is an Eastern) Roman Empire overrun? This type of question raises alot of what ifs.
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Loughlin
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:09 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Rome today
Ave,
Today one of my classes at school went on this
very boring field trip to this art museum in
massachusetts...DeCordova (I think)...I'm not an art
person...but being long and boring I had some time to
think to myself...so here's what I was wondering and
propose as a new topic of discussion to move away from
the Bin Laden/Afghanistan argument:
In its time Rome, both Republic and Imperial,
were mighty from my point of view. What do you think
it would be like today? Think of every aspect of life
social, political and military. Would the empire
still be as glorious as it was as we know it? Would
there military be as dominating as it once was? Would
the imperial approach to politics have lasted or would
it have withdrawn back to republican politics? What
effect would globalization have had on Rome? Do you
think in its vastness its culture would have been
corrupted by the international influence or would it
have retained its culture? How do you think the
paganistic religion have been welcomed in present
times? We've had so much persecution of pagans
throughout the past few centuries what effect would
those anti-pagan crusades have had on Rome?
Sorry if I'm digging up old discussions but I was
bored and thought I'd get others opinions/feelings on
the issue and see how they compare with mine.
vale,
Quintus Cornelius Caesar
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Osama's Guilt |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 07:31:20 -0700 (PDT) |
|
--- amg@-------- wrote:
> Salvete
>
>
> Now to L. Sicinius Drusus:
> > The Turkish Republic is not perfect by any means,
> but
> > it is far better than most governments in the
> region.
> > The Turks were very lucky, they had one of the
> great
> > leaders of the 20th century, Kemal Attaturk, as
> the
> > founder of their republic, and the world would be
> a
> > far better place if more leaders in the middle
> east
> > did what Turkey attempts to do, follow the example
> set
> > by Attaturk.
> Mee amice, you are mixing several different subjects
> at the same time
> in the same pot. This discussion has nothing to do
> with who the nice
> guy is. Even if Saddham is a terrible dictator,
> can't he speak the
> truth once for a while? Maybe he can... We are
> comparing similar
> situations and comparing their lawfulness. I have
> presented several
> examples of irregularity in the treatment of similar
> cases. For
> example Turkey kills the Kurds just like the Iraqi
> authorities and
> for the same reason: what they call Terrorism.
> Shouldn't these two
> countries receive the same treatment? What you are
> saying us is in my
> opinion something with no logical meaning from the
> point of view of
> this discussion. You are saying: punish Iraq because
> Saddham is a bad
> guy, but let the Turks do the same because they are
> nice guys. This
> is contrary to the most elementary principles of
> Philosophy and so I
> ask you to get a better argument.
>
> Valete bene
> Graecus
I Have heard NO reports of Turky using Chemical
warfare against the Kurds, something I can't say for
Iraq, but the situation with the Kurds is NOT what has
made Iraq an international phariah. They have invaded
Iran and Quwait. They have an agressive program to
develop Nuclear, Biological and Chemical weapons, and
this in connection with their agressive policies
towards their neighbors makes them very dangrous. They
have a long standing policy of supporting
international terrorists who operate outside their
borders. For example Atta, the leader of the gang that
hijacked the 4 Planes that were turned into weapons
met with Iraqi agents earlier this year in Europe, and
they played a role in the bombing of Pan Am flight
103.
Drusus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: national anthem |
| From: |
"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:03:56 +0200 |
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Ave!
I do agree that the idea of an anthem is a pretty modern one. The nineteenth century, with all its nationalism is the start of it. But please don't forget that the intentions of these people are noble: giving the people something they can identify with, whereever they go. Apart from that, ancient Rome didn't have a national flag either. What Nova Roma uses is an adaptation af the standard of the legiones.
I simply thought that, since there is not much ancient roman music available (as far as I know), that it would be good to have (in a further stadium) something like a CD with Nova Roman music on it. But lets not overdo it and begin with one track!
Valete omnes!
----- Original Message -----
From: solinvictus
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 2:43 AM
Subject: AW: [novaroma] Re: national anthem
Ave.
No, pleeeeaaaaaaase not. Even if I have no better suggestion. But
pleeeeeaaaase not.
Hmmm. maybe I even have a better one. What about "The Romans went in one by
one" or sthg alike?
Apart from that, the Romans had no Anthem. A Anthem is something that comes
out of a modern context. As it usually has something to do with nationalism
or the concept of national states, it is something that evolved out of
extremely non-roman structures, and therefore does not fulfill the demands
of romanitas, i.e. a anthem IMO would be a bad medium to represent romanitas
and NR.
Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: CJ Sitter [mailto:otto_von_sitter@--------]
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Oktober 2001 01:53
An: novaroma@--------
Betreff: [novaroma] Re: national anthem
Has anyone heard the track called "The Might of Rome" on the
"Gladiator" soundtrack? It's the one played when the
Commodus character returns to Rome. Maybe that would make
a good anthem if it was modified and words added.
Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
--- In novaroma@--------, "Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@h...>
wrote:
> Ave!
>
> Is there anybody on this list who is good in writing music and
who feels like composing a nathional hymn, about the glory of
Rome and its gods?
>
> Good idea or not?
>
> Vale!
> C. Puteus Germanicus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: New Topic. |
| From: |
"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:05:25 +0200 |
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Ave,
Mike, if you are to find something, please let me know!
Vale,
C. Puteus Germanicus
Provinciae Germaniae Inferioris
----- Original Message -----
From: solinvictus
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 2:33 AM
Subject: AW: [novaroma] Re: New Topic.
Salve.
Yes, there is. At the moment i have no idea which unit it is, but they are
having a website, which is linked to several german reenactor-sites. So go
to www.google.de, enter "römisches Militär" and look through the different
pages. If you don`t get along send me a mail.
Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.
Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Mike Rasschaert [mailto:hadescallias@--------]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Oktober 2001 23:54
An: novaroma@--------
Betreff: [novaroma] Re: New Topic.
Salvete
Is there any reenactment taking place in belgium?
Valete
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Desapointment with my fellow citizens/condoleance to the afghans |
| From: |
"G. Etcheverius Burdigalus" <burdigalus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:39:47 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salvete,
Pompeia Cornelia, I have thought long and hard about
your response and while I understand where you are
coming from I withdraw nothing.
The action presently engaged in by the western nations
will cause terror but that is not the same thing as
engaging in terrorism. Our forces are not engaged in a
wholesale slaughter of Aphgani civilians. The true
terrorists are engaged in the intentional slaughter of
our civilians. Painting those who have in past wars,
are now engaged in a war and will in the future fight
in wars for us as terrorists is an insult to great to
suffer silently.
That Aphgani civilians are being killed is both true
and tragic and cannot be ignored or passed off as just
the normal "collateral damage" of warfare. It is not
being fobbed off as such. Our forces, given the
technology they have at their disposal are doing their
very very best they can to make sure that they don't
kill innocent people. But mistakes have been made and
will be made, and the technology isn't perfect so
innocents will be killed accidentally. Nobody is more
horrified by that than the people who have the
unfortunate duty to see the results of those
accidents. That does not in any way equate to the act
of a terrorist. Even in criminal law intent is a
considerable factor in determining the severity of a
crime.
Witnessing the murder of women and children and not
being allowed by my ROE to intervene has built a deep
hatred and heartfelt, life-long disgust for
terrorists. For the record: I do not consider
Limitanus a terrorist or a supporter of Osama's hord.
Having worn a uniform I find statements insinuating
that those who are presently wearing a uniform and are
engaged in a war to rid the world, at least in part,
of terrorists are themselves terrorists
extraordinarily mean, insulting and just plain
foolish.
I would suggest that censoring of submissions should
be applied to both sides of this argument equally. As
a matter of fact, I would like to suggest that any
posts on the subject of this war be rejected to avoid
further conflict on this list.
Vale,
Burdigalus
--- trog99@-------- wrote:
>
>
> Salvete:
>
> I do not believe citizen Limitanus to be a waste of
> space or a human
> joke.
>
> The man is a professor of Chemistry which hardly
> relegates him to a
> jester or a mental midget.
>
> I do NOT always agree with him, and some times I've
> said" "one of
> these days Mani........to the MOON!!!!!!!........"
>
> I do not ever want to personal "authority" or lack
> of humility to
> demean a person's personal character, and to decide
> that they are a
> "human joke". Citizen Limitanus is a citizen of
> Nova Roma as we all
> are, and is justly entitled to basic human
> courtesies.
>
> "Do unto others as you would have them do unto
> you".....Confusious,
> Aristotle, Jesus
>
> My apologies to the populace of Nova
> Roma...sometimes our office makes
> mistakes and lets posts go through in error, when
> they are intended
> otherwise. There have been a 'ton' of posts up for
> moderation in the
> past few days.
>
> Bene valete,
> Pompeia Cornelia
> Scriba Curatrix Sermonis
>
> In novaroma@--------, "G. Etcheverius Burdigalus"
> <burdigalus@-------->
> wrote:
> > Salve Omnes,
> > One of the truest measures of a free society is
> its
> > tolerance for opposing views and unfortunately
> that
> > also includes tolerance for mental-midgets like
> the
> > one who originated this thread.
> > As much of a human joke as this person is, he is
> one
> > of us. I wouldn't like to see him banished or
> muzzled.
> > Not for his sake but for ours, for what we do to
> him
> > we inevitably risk happening to us in the future.
> As
> > an ex-serviceman his statements angered me to the
> > extreme. And for the most part the responses
> already
> > given on this list I am 100% in agreement
> emotionally.
> > But that is giving him too much credence in my
> life
> > both as a Canadian ex-serviceman and a Nova Roman.
>
> > Perhaps we could take up a collection and buy him
> a
> > jester's outfit that he can dress in the macro
> world
> > as he lives in Nova Roma - as a fool.
> > Better yet, the Senate could take the
> opportunity to
> > act in a very traditional way and vote him an
> agnomen.
> > Might I suggest "Stultus"? What better way to
> > acknowledge his "importance" to Nova Roma?
> >
> > Valete,
> > Burdigalus
> >
> > --- CJ Sitter <otto_von_sitter@--------> wrote:
> > > My take on this is just that this guylikes to
> make
> > > us mad every
> > > once in a while when things slow down a bit. I
> > > still remember
> > > back when he said the press was showing
> Pakistanians
> > >
> > > cheering at US retaking Kuait instead of at the
> > > destruction of the
> > > WTC. I agree with our Consul and the several
> others
> > > that are
> > > calling for this man's dismissal. Someone that
> > > enjoys wreaking
> > > havok does not deserve the privilige to be
> called a
> > > citizen of New
> > > Rome.
> > >
> > > Marcus Cornelius Tiberius
> > >
> > > --- In novaroma@--------, Michel Loos <loos@q...>
> wrote:
> > > > Salvete,
> > > >
> > > > one week of continued terrorist attacks
> against
> > > one of the
> > > poorest
> > > > country in the world, hundreds of innocents
> dead
> > > among them
> > > several
> > > > world citizens probably thousands of
> combatants.
> > > >
> > > > And here in NovaRoma not one voice of
> condoleances
> > > for the
> > > deads
> > > > not one voice of condennation of this
> terrorist
> > > attack by the USA
> > > and
> > > > the UK.
> > > >
> > > > I am really desappointed by my fellow
> concitizens
> > > in
> > > NovaRoma (and
> > > > enjoyed by my fellow brazilians).
> > > >
> > > > I hereby express my condoleance to the Afghans
> and
> > > all
> > > humans that were
> > > > attacked by this new vague of state terrorism.
> I
> > > hereby
> > > condemn the
> > > > state terrorism at act.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Manius Villius Limitanus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Osama's Guilt |
| From: |
Michael Loughlin <qccaesar@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:42:35 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Ave,
An ideal world where everything is fair and
applied equally across the board to evryone would be
great but reality and history prove otherwise.
Criminal Justice will never provide a fair trial
anywhere no matter what the rules and laws state.
Innocent until proven guilty is non-existent. When we
see someone arrested and charged with a crime on the
news we don't believe they're innocent. Look at the
Oklahoma City bombing we had no clue as to who would
committ such a crime and we blamed the people of the
middle-east right off the bat and it turned out it was
one of our own. With the Sept. 11 attack we were
shocked and now are on a man-hunt for Bin Laden and no
one can honestly say he will ever receive a fair trial
regardless of the extent of his guilt. There are
plenty of other examples I could cite but it would
make no difference. Man is greedy by nature and we
will always look out for our own self interest whether
it is on the natioal, international, or personal
level. I would argue for a fair and ideal world but
efforts would be futile.
quintus cornelius caesar
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Provincia Hispania Website |
| From: |
"Javier Augusto Gil-Ruiz Gil-Esparza" <javier_gil_ruiz@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:45:01 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@b...> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> >Marcus Salix saverius at javier_gil_ruiz@-------- wrote:
> >
> >
> > P.S.: Several citizens of hispania provincia have taken part in
> > our "bibliotheca" project. Its goal is to accumulate our own
articles
> > concerning every aspect of ancient Rome.
> > The first rough version of it is already available at the URL:
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/nrhispania/bibliotheca_es.html
> >
> > At the moment all our articles are still only available in
>spanish.
> > But an english translation is of course under way. We have
>articles
> > on the different languages of the empire, on art, on roman
>customs...
>
> Looks like a project with a lot of potential. I cannot read Spanish,
> although I will definitely like to view it when a translation is
>completed.
> I also checked out your provincial website. Very nice, the
>provincia is
> lucky to have a such a nice site.
Thank you in my name and in the name of Gnaeus Salix Astur, who holds
the lion's share of the merit.
> >
> > We will be very pleased if any members decide to contribute to
>this
> > exciting and promising project
>
> I will see what I can come up with in the future, I would love to
> contribute.
Any contribution will be heartily welcome and included. Our policy is
to let contributors choose the nature of their contributions and to
support their every initiative. This has achieved a great deal of
quality involvement from our provintial citizens.
Valete omne, et vale Amulius
M. Salix Saverius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Provincia Hispania Website |
| From: |
Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:55:35 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salvete Quirites; et salve, Saveri.
--- Javier Augusto Gil-Ruiz Gil-Esparza <javier_gil_ruiz@-------->
wrote:
> --- In novaroma@--------, Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@b...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > >Marcus Salix saverius at javier_gil_ruiz@-------- wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > P.S.: Several citizens of hispania provincia have taken part in
> > > our "bibliotheca" project. Its goal is to accumulate our own
> articles
> > > concerning every aspect of ancient Rome.
> > > The first rough version of it is already available at the URL:
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/nrhispania/bibliotheca_es.html
> > >
> > > At the moment all our articles are still only available in
> >spanish.
> > > But an english translation is of course under way. We have
> >articles
> > > on the different languages of the empire, on art, on roman
> >customs...
> >
> > Looks like a project with a lot of potential. I cannot read
> Spanish,
> > although I will definitely like to view it when a translation is
> >completed.
> > I also checked out your provincial website. Very nice, the
> >provincia is
> > lucky to have a such a nice site.
>
> Thank you in my name and in the name of Gnaeus Salix Astur, who holds
>
> the lion's share of the merit.
Thank you for the kind words, Saveri. Certainly, it has been a pretty
hard work, with many hours of dedication. But when work is fun, it is
not really work ;-).
> > >
> > > We will be very pleased if any members decide to contribute to
> >this
> > > exciting and promising project
> >
> > I will see what I can come up with in the future, I would love to
> > contribute.
>
> Any contribution will be heartily welcome and included. Our policy is
> to let contributors choose the nature of their contributions and to
> support their every initiative. This has achieved a great deal of
> quality involvement from our provintial citizens.
This is true. We will be extremely happy to receive any contribution in
any language we can translate (that includes English, French, German,
Italian, Portuguese and Latin); although we would prefer Spanish,
English or Latin, to reduce the number of needed translations :-).
=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule.
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