| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Hello! |
| From: |
QFabiusMaxmi@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 27 Oct 2001 23:13:33 EDT |
|
Salvete
Indeed Alexander III was bi sexual. But all members of Macedonian royal
houses were bi,
there was no stigma attached to the practice. Noble grooms were expected to
interact with their elders, it was how advancement happened, and of course
among the princes' grooms, many close friendships developed.
Alexander's favorite was Hephaestion. He had a eromenos from Darius III
harem, Bogoas, who was his regular companion when Hephaestion was away on
campaign. However, it is believed that he included Ptolmey and Selekuis, as
well as others in his charmed circle were his companions as well. As I said
before, DeCaprio is perfect casting. I can't think of a more headstrong,
vainglorious, and deeply flawed character to play the same.
For more about Alex's bisexuality and his many loves, read "The Nature of
Alexander" by the late Mary Renault. It is well researched and the author's
theories are sound.
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Updating Album civium |
| From: |
"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:53:43 +0200 |
|
Ave,
Relating to the updating of our list of cives, I have one more proposal to make. When the census is effectively held and the final list of people who are no longer to be considered as members of Nova Roma is known, I think there is one more thing to think of. Is it possible to make the list of (Roman) names known to the people, on the public Forum, in order to see whether other Romans know why people lacked to be contacted. Perhaps some of these people have private contact with active members who can contact them before they are stricken from the Album Civium.
This is possible by making the list a part of a lex to be voted in the comitia. I think our poeple have the right to vote whether to accept cives to be stricken from the Album or not.
Vale in pace deorum,
Caius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] opposing mutual recognition of micronation |
| From: |
Michael Loughlin <qccaesar@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:46:14 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Ave,
Ragardless of whether or not Nova Roma and The
Virtual Nation have anything in common should be
overlooked to a certain extent. On a different scale
than micronations does the US in China have anything
in common politically...not really. So maybe
diplomatic relations could be engaged in. What if we
appointed a member of the Senate or the Senate
appointed anyone within Nova Roma, responsible enough
of course, to represent Nova Roma in somewhat of a
diplomatic negotiations to work something out between
the two organizations. It is quite possible that we
could have diplomatic relations with The Virtual
Nation and still have nothing in common. So I would
not discount it as a possibility.
vale,
Quintus Cornelius Caesar
--- Caius Puteus Germanicus <puteus@-------->
wrote:
> Ave omnes!
>
> I saw on the yahoo club NR II that Minister Lewis
> Ministry of Foreign Affairs, from The Virtual Nation
> is inviting us to start diplomatic relationships. I
> firmly oppose this project as a civis since, after
> checking the website www.virtualnation.org, we seem
> to have nothing in common. In case there is a mutual
> interest, please inform me about it. I hereby call
> the responsible politicians and in the first place
> the consuls to stop this action.
>
> Of course, I stay open for criticism from other
> cives...
>
> Vale optime!
> Caius
>
> postscriptum:
> here is the message as I copied it from Yahoo Clubs:
> Establish Diplomatic Ties jimmejosh
> (17/M/Howell, MI) 8/10/01 2:09 pm
> Greetings:
>
> As the Foreign Minister of the Virtual
> Election, I would like to invite the Nova Roma II to
> begin the formal process to establish diplomatic
> ties.
>
> Please eMail me at jimmejosh@-------- to
> start the process!
>
> Regards,
>
> Minister Lewis
> Ministry of Foreign Affairs
> The Virtual Nation
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Hello! |
| From: |
"Milly Jansen" <millys2@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:28:13 +0100 |
|
Salve!
I don't know what Paterfamilias you'd sent your 'application" to...was it
Marcellus Decianus Batavius? 'cause I know he is still an active civis.
Since I live in the Netherlands as well, perhaps I can help you with this.
Just let me know! :-) (by the way...you're free to choose the gens you like
it doesn't have to be a dutch paterfamilias. I, p.e. am very happy to be a
member of the gens Iulia!:-) )
Vale!
Agrippina Iulia Germanica
>From: "Earl Luther Carr" <S.Stroexarr@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: <novaroma@-------->
>Subject: [novaroma] Hello!
>Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:21:52 -0500
>
>Hello,
>
>Almost 2 months ago I applied for citizenship of Nova Roma but to this day
>I
>have not heard anything. I've moved since then, but I still have the same
>e-mail address. Would someone please explain the procedure?
>
>There could be a few reasons why I haven't heard anything... Perhaps it is
>because I applied for a new gens. I saw one other gens in Holland (The
>Netherlands), but he/she was in Brabant which is fairly far away from where
>I live (de Groene Hart) and it would be nice to have more personal contact
>with fellow gens members and not have to rely on a leader of my gens who I
>don't know, and by what I've read, may not even be a participating citizen
>any longer. Another reason could be that my computer was (and still is -
>but now it's in stable condition) crashing on and off and perhaps I had
>been
>notified, but I never received it?
>
>Due to being very busy, I don't have time to read everything posted, but a
>lot of what I read is very interesting. However, now that I'm living out
>here on a farm, there is not much else to do... The latin lingo is a bit
>difficult, but I suppose I will understand many of the words later if I
>keep
>reading the posts.
>
>By the way, since the discussion of the movie about the famous Greek,
>Alexander the Great, was brought up - wasn't he gay or at least bi? That
>will be sweet having Leonard de Capio (I don't really know the name of
>actor? I have no interest in him or most movies, but I know who he is.)
>having a love scene with his beloved boy slave!?!?!? I'm sure Hollywood
>will tell the truth, don't you? Didn't he erect a huge temple in the name
>of his lover when his slave died, and didn't he die immediately afterwards
>at age 30 something, partly because he was so bereaved? Didn't he die of a
>syphillus?
>
>Well, I hope to hear from someone.
>
>Regards,
>Luuk
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Hello! |
| From: |
"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 28 Oct 2001 09:30:59 +0100 |
|
Ave Maximi,
Being bisexual was nothing to be ashamed of in Antiquity. It is said that Caesar was bisexual too. And I'm sure that I can think of some more people omong his successors (e.g. Tiberius). The only thing that would really be strange to us is that children from lets say about 14 y.o. participated in this. I can't remember where I read it and who was the author, but it is said that Caesar had some boy-friends about this age.
But read the Ancient writers about Gaul too. It is said that in stead of sleeping with their wives, they slept most of the times together with all the other males of the tribe (the wives doing the same too). Only a few times in the month they had sex with their wives in order to generate children. And it is said that afterwards, they joined the other men once again!
Vale!
Caius
----- Original Message -----
From: QFabiusMaxmi@--------
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Hello!
Salvete
Indeed Alexander III was bi sexual. But all members of Macedonian royal
houses were bi,
there was no stigma attached to the practice. Noble grooms were expected to
interact with their elders, it was how advancement happened, and of course
among the princes' grooms, many close friendships developed.
Alexander's favorite was Hephaestion. He had a eromenos from Darius III
harem, Bogoas, who was his regular companion when Hephaestion was away on
campaign. However, it is believed that he included Ptolmey and Selekuis, as
well as others in his charmed circle were his companions as well. As I said
before, DeCaprio is perfect casting. I can't think of a more headstrong,
vainglorious, and deeply flawed character to play the same.
For more about Alex's bisexuality and his many loves, read "The Nature of
Alexander" by the late Mary Renault. It is well researched and the author's
theories are sound.
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
=?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A=20=5Bnovaroma=5D=20opposing=20mutual=20recognition=20of=20micronati?= |
| From: |
tiberius.ann@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 28 Oct 2001 10:37:47 +0100 |
|
Salvete omnes,
Please excuse my non-knowledge of political issues, but as far as I am informed,
having things in common with another nation is not one of the things needed
to establish diplomatic relationships.
If we want to become a big nation which is accepted and well thought of
by other nations, I think it is necessary to get into contact with these
nations. Diplomatic ties are not a livelong treaty or a huge friendship
between nations, they are just a means of communication.
These are strictly my thoughts to this and I would very much like to see
NR taking up contact with other nations.
Valete omnes, Tiberius Annaeus Otho
scriba legata legati Germaniae Superioris
cives Augustae Rauricae, colonia provinciae Germaniae Superioris
-- Original-Nachricht --
>Ave omnes!
>
>I saw on the yahoo club NR II that Minister Lewis
>Ministry of Foreign Affairs, from The Virtual Nation is inviting us to
start
>diplomatic relationships. I firmly oppose this project as a civis since,
>after checking the website www.virtualnation.org, we seem to have nothing
>in common. In case there is a mutual interest, please inform me about it.
>I hereby call the responsible politicians and in the first place the consuls
>to stop this action.
>
>Of course, I stay open for criticism from other cives...
>
>Vale optime!
>Caius
>
>postscriptum:
>here is the message as I copied it from Yahoo Clubs:
> Establish Diplomatic Ties jimmejosh
> (17/M/Howell, MI) 8/10/01 2:09 pm
> Greetings:
>
> As the Foreign Minister of the Virtual Election, I would like to
invite
>the Nova Roma II to begin the formal process to establish diplomatic ties.
>
> Please eMail me at jimmejosh@-------- to start the process!
>
> Regards,
>
> Minister Lewis
> Ministry of Foreign Affairs
> The Virtual Nation
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Report on the Ist Microcon |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@--------> |
| Date: |
28 Oct 2001 09:56:25 -0200 |
|
Salvete,
yesterday, Saturday, 27th October, took place in S=E3o Paulo the fist
MicroCon: Convention of Micronations. On the indication of Propraetor M.
Arminius Maior, I participated as representant of NovaRoma.
This convention was organized by the Legislative assembly of the state
of S=E3o Paulo, the most populated Brazilian state (33.000.000
habitants).
The conference opponed with a speach of an assessor to the president of
the legislative body (the president which should have done this speech
was in Brasilia) explaining the reasons of this convocation. The
legislative of S=E3o Paulo finds micronationalism a very interresting
phenomena under the light of both political laboratories and formation
of responsible citizens. The legislative of S=E3o Paulo is interrested
in
establishing permanent relations with the micronations acting on the
territory of the state, in order to do that it convend this reunion
hopping that the various micronation could form a juridically=20
recognized (in S.P.) federation/sindicate of micronations. The
legislative is willing to offer this federation a series of offices
inside the building of the assembly: "the house of micronations". To the
follow-up question of wether thos offices would be recognized as
ambassies the answer was "sort of".
Following that introductory speach was supposed to take place a speach
of a representant of the "Imperium of Atlantis" presenting a
multi-macro-national micronation. Aproveiting my presence there I was
asked to also present another such large micronation: our NovaRoma.
I presented mostly our constitution, the historical reasons of founding
NR and the enriching experience you can have in a exchanging political
ideas with peoples from such diverse backgrounds as we have in NR, of
course without entring in details on the ideas or the sometimes harsh
presentation of those. I must have been quite convincing since several
micronationalist asked thereafter how to join NR, some were cooled down
by the necessity of english, many were interrested by the possibility of
learning latin, we will see if some really join.
I must say that was quite favourably impressed by the speech of the
representant of the "Imperium of Atlantis", perhaps NR could try to
establish some sort of relation with them.
The following speeches and discussions on "Micronationalism",
"Micronational economy", "Culture and Education" were in the hands of
the representants of the lusfone micro-micronations and frankly are not
worthwhile to report here, seeming more either the expression of
over-develloped egos or of children games.
I did not participate in the discussion on "Diplomacy" were the
foundations of the desired federation should have been layed since I was
not invested of any diplomatical power for this reunion. I asked to let
the door open for us, if the senate decides that this would be of profit
for NR (which is my opinion) and will be send a report on this reunion.
>From my private discussions with the representant of Atlantium, I
discovered another possibility of recognition for NR. I tseems that
Atlantium managed to have an observer at the UNPO: "Unrepresented
Nations and Peoples Organisation", which is a recognition of
macronational presence. In my opinion this could be an interresting move
also for NovaRoma. check:
http://www.unpo.org
All in all it was a very interresting day, specially as I went there
thinking that a micronational reunion in the plenary of the legislative
of the state was probably a hoax :)
Vale,
Manius Villius Limitanus
Legatus propraetoris M. Arminii Maiori ad Pauliceia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Aedilician Meeting in Venedia |
| From: |
"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 28 Oct 2001 17:18:24 +0200 |
|
M. Apollonius Formosanus Aedilis Plebeius omnibus
Quiritibus S.P.D.
A good many weeks ago Consul Vedius issued a Friendly
Challenge to all aediles to sponsor local face-to-face
meetings sometime during our term of office. I am pleased
to announce that I with my staff have done so, and that on
Saturday, October 27 provincial cives from four cities and
towns of the Provincia Venedia collected in Lessna
Polonorum ("Leszno" in Polish) under my aedilician auspices
for the first Conventus Provincialis.
I must give special thanks to my scriba Petrus Domitianus
Artorinus Longinus for doing the bulk of the organising
work. He and my other scriba Maia Apollonia Pica were both
present, making this also a meeting of my complete
aedilician staff. For some of us this was the first
face-to-face meeting with another Nova Roman.
We shared a pleasant repast together in a hostelry dating
back to the early XIVth Century and discussed various
matters of importance to the Provincia. Among these were
the official holiday of the Provincia - the first dies
fastus after our provincial recognition by the Senate was
granted -, our provincial deities and religious provisions,
the natural divisions of the Provincia into regiones in
terms of the Roman population and geography, and the date
of the next meeting, tentatively scheduled for early March.
Some of these affairs will be put up for a poll among the
provincial citizens to encourage their participation and a
sense of grass-roots democracy and local control, matters
important to the whole provincial population. Subsequently
these policy recommendations will be laid before the
governor for officialisation, when the Senate has appointed
one.
Out of a de facto population of about fourteen provincial
cives, we felt that a turnout of five was creditable. The
next meeting will presumably be in Varsovia (Warsaw) and
rather longer and more elaborate.
All present were very pleased with the event, and we hope
to have photographs up on our list site or web site soon -
a separate announcement will be issued by me or Scriba
Domitianus when they are ready.
Valete!
_________________________________________________
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Psterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae
Aedilis Plebeius, Amicus Dignitatis
Magister Scholae Latinae
ICQ# 61698049 AIM: MAFormosanus
Minervium Virtuale: http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/Minervium.htm
Gens Apollonia: http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/
The Gens Apollonia is accepting new members.
____________________________________________________
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enough good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke
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| Subject: |
Re: R: [novaroma] Digest Number 1678 |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@--------> |
| Date: |
28 Oct 2001 11:07:18 -0200 |
|
On Sat, 2001-10-27 at 17:39, QFabiusMaxmi@-------- wrote:
> In a message dated 10/27/01 9:00:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> marcusprometheus@-------- writes:
>
>
> > Who would win?]
> > The Germanic country.
> > Military advances were huge between 2th cent AD and 11th century AD.
> > Specially in cavalry strength due to the invention of stribes.
> > But also in metallurgy:
> > broken gladii would be legions when facing 10th century swords.
> >
> >
>
> Salvete.
> We assume the Romans would have kept up with current metallurgy standards,
> there is
> no way a military power like Rome would fall behind. One needs only to study
> their history
> to understand that.
I agree, but the proposed problem didn t say that.
> Stirrups are an important advantage to a cavalryman using a lance, but the
> Gallic four horn saddle gave a fairly secure seat, and the thrown lancia was
> the same length as the lance.
But used in a different fashion.
> The Norman armor was inspired by the Gauls, as was the Roman Hamatas. The
> helms were inspired by the Sarmations, who the Romans beat regularly.
>
> We've war-gamed this encounter many times. A second century field force
> makes mincemeat of a Norman style army. Feudal armies, are just not
> maneuverable. Roman armies are. Romans would treat Norman's as they would
> any Catafractii army. You fix the front with deep formations that can
> withstand the charge. You have Legio Lanciarii supported by horse on the
> flanks. Once the charging mass hits the legiones and stops, you hit the
> flanks before they can withdraw. After they do this several times, they are
> exhausted, and can be driven from the field by a general advance.
>
DBM? Yes in DBM the roman army is great, but so are the aztecs which I
wouldn t give a real word chance (not speaking of the midianites which
in my opinion are really to strong when compared to their real world
counter parts).
Caveat: those remarks are not for DBM2000 which I never got to play.
Manius Villius Limitanus.
> For that person who made the snide comment about Norman vrs Byzantine
> battles. The Byzantines lost two. They won the rest. They lost one
> (Durazzo) because the survivors of Hastings who were now in the Emperor's
> guard (Varangians) made an uncontrolled advance against a Norman battle,
> defeated it but then was cut off from the rest of the army. It was a
> critical battle however, and one that the Byzantines could not afford to lose.
> The other was because the hastily mustered Byzantine thematic (levy) army was
> caught forming up as the Norman charged them. When a Tagmatic (regular) army
> met them in equal numbers like Cannae (1055) the result was a Norman defeat.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Report on the Ist Microcon |
| From: |
"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 28 Oct 2001 16:10:35 +0100 |
|
Ave Manie Villie Limitanus,
I'm definately with you on this one. We have to work towards an admission to UNPO. I noticed it is based in the Netherlands, my Provincia. When needed, I will help you with contacts in Dutch.
This kind of organisation seems to be a lot more serious than the one I mentionned yesterday. In response to the reactions on that post I can only say, it is true that diplomatic relations can be established with (micro)nations whose views we do not fully share. But I immediately have to add, taking ourselves seriously has to be one of the criteria of working with other micronations. It is not because we are mentionned on a website of an organisation with 6 members worldwide, that we are taking ourselves very seriously... I maintain my opposition.
But concerning Sao Paulo and the UNPO, I am fully supportive!
Vale optime!
Caius
----- Original Message -----
From: Michel Loos
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 12:56 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Report on the Ist Microcon
Salvete,
yesterday, Saturday, 27th October, took place in S=E3o Paulo the fist
MicroCon: Convention of Micronations. On the indication of Propraetor M.
Arminius Maior, I participated as representant of NovaRoma.
This convention was organized by the Legislative assembly of the state
of S=E3o Paulo, the most populated Brazilian state (33.000.000
habitants).
The conference opponed with a speach of an assessor to the president of
the legislative body (the president which should have done this speech
was in Brasilia) explaining the reasons of this convocation. The
legislative of S=E3o Paulo finds micronationalism a very interresting
phenomena under the light of both political laboratories and formation
of responsible citizens. The legislative of S=E3o Paulo is interrested
in
establishing permanent relations with the micronations acting on the
territory of the state, in order to do that it convend this reunion
hopping that the various micronation could form a juridically=20
recognized (in S.P.) federation/sindicate of micronations. The
legislative is willing to offer this federation a series of offices
inside the building of the assembly: "the house of micronations". To the
follow-up question of wether thos offices would be recognized as
ambassies the answer was "sort of".
Following that introductory speach was supposed to take place a speach
of a representant of the "Imperium of Atlantis" presenting a
multi-macro-national micronation. Aproveiting my presence there I was
asked to also present another such large micronation: our NovaRoma.
I presented mostly our constitution, the historical reasons of founding
NR and the enriching experience you can have in a exchanging political
ideas with peoples from such diverse backgrounds as we have in NR, of
course without entring in details on the ideas or the sometimes harsh
presentation of those. I must have been quite convincing since several
micronationalist asked thereafter how to join NR, some were cooled down
by the necessity of english, many were interrested by the possibility of
learning latin, we will see if some really join.
I must say that was quite favourably impressed by the speech of the
representant of the "Imperium of Atlantis", perhaps NR could try to
establish some sort of relation with them.
The following speeches and discussions on "Micronationalism",
"Micronational economy", "Culture and Education" were in the hands of
the representants of the lusfone micro-micronations and frankly are not
worthwhile to report here, seeming more either the expression of
over-develloped egos or of children games.
I did not participate in the discussion on "Diplomacy" were the
foundations of the desired federation should have been layed since I was
not invested of any diplomatical power for this reunion. I asked to let
the door open for us, if the senate decides that this would be of profit
for NR (which is my opinion) and will be send a report on this reunion.
From my private discussions with the representant of Atlantium, I
discovered another possibility of recognition for NR. I tseems that
Atlantium managed to have an observer at the UNPO: "Unrepresented
Nations and Peoples Organisation", which is a recognition of
macronational presence. In my opinion this could be an interresting move
also for NovaRoma. check:
http://www.unpo.org
All in all it was a very interresting day, specially as I went there
thinking that a micronational reunion in the plenary of the legislative
of the state was probably a hoax :)
Vale,
Manius Villius Limitanus
Legatus propraetoris M. Arminii Maiori ad Pauliceia
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Report on the Ist Microcon |
| From: |
"M Arminius Maior" <m_arminius@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:34:48 -0300 |
|
Salvete
I just want to compliment Manius Villius Limitanus, Legatus Paulicea, for their very good work representing (informally) Nova Roma and our provincia in this convention. He obeyed the Senatus Consultum about intermicronational relations (see "A Statement of Policy Regarding Intermicronational Relations" in Tabularium) and opened new possibilities for our province.
Thank you, Limitane!
Vale
Marcus Arminius Maior
Propraetor Brasiliae
--
On 28 Oct 2001 09:56:25 -020
Michel Loos wrote:
>Salvete,
>
>yesterday, Saturday, 27th October, took place in Sao Paulo the fist
>MicroCon: Convention of Micronations. On the indication of Propraetor M.
>Arminius Maior, I participated as representant of NovaRoma.
[..]
>
>Vale,
>Manius Villius Limitanus
>Legatus propraetoris M. Arminii Maiori ad Pauliceia
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Updating Album civium |
| From: |
Fortunatus <labienus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 28 Oct 2001 12:44:51 -0600 |
|
Salve Cai Putei
> Relating to the updating of our list of cives, I have one more proposal
> to make. When the census is effectively held and the final list of people
> who are no longer to be considered as members of Nova Roma is known, I
> think there is one more thing to think of. Is it possible to make the list
> of (Roman) names known to the people, on the public Forum, in order to see
> whether other Romans know why people lacked to be contacted. Perhaps some of
> these people have private contact with active members who can contact them
> before they are stricken from the Album Civium.
In Censor Cornelius' proposal, this would be mandated by law.
In my proposal, it would be up to the various patres et matres familias
to keep track of their various gentiles. However, it would be quite
reasonable and relatively easy for the censores to post a list of those
patres et matres familias that had failed to register, giving them a
grace period in which to do so. This could be done without requiring a
lex, and it would be quite desirable to do it in (at least) the first
year of my proposed census scheme.
> This is possible by making the list a part of a lex to be voted in the
> comitia. I think our poeple have the right to vote whether to accept cives
> to be stricken from the Album or not.
The constitution states unequivocally that citizenship may only be
involuntarily revoked by those procedures that are defined by law.
Therefore, while not every case of the loss of citizenship needs to be
voted upon, the methods and reasons for the loss of citizenship in
general must be ratified by the people.
I'm not sure I'd want to place the name of every member of the incensi
on a list to be voted upon. By doing this, you'd risk having the entire
list voted down because of one name. Simply presenting the list to the
major communications fora and requesting help in contacting people on
the list should suffice.
Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus
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Quicquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Comitia Centuriata, passive cives and points |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:54:09 +0100 |
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Salvete Quirites!
I have had, and still have, a lot to do as Propraetor. There is a lot of
work as Governor that isn't visible on the surface, which leads to the fact
that there is little time to be active in for instance the discussions on
the main list (at least this is how it functions for me). I have however
followed the latest discussions that have followed after the latest vote in
the Comitia Centuriata. This has give birth to some ideas and suggestions.
This will be the first of my suggestions
Change points for length of citizenship into points for voting.
The current system with point steeming from the length of citizenship isn't
fair. You can be totally passive and still get points, which means that
citizens who are quite new, but actually work for the Res Publica will for
a long time get less points then those who became a citizens, lets say,
three years ago and haven't done anything for the Res Publica since then.
Presently a citizen will get:
points length of citizenship
2 Citizen less than 6 months
5 Citizen more than 6 months
10 Citizen more than 12 months
20 Citizen more than 24 months
30 Citizen more than 36 months
40 Citizen more than 48 months
50 Citizen more than 60 months
The latest election forced a lot of us to think. My thoughts lead to the
following.
It would be OK to reward length of citizenship, but not passive length of
citizenship. We want all citizens to vote, if they vote, that is a sign of
an elementary level of activity. The December elections a the basic
elections, if You are active here You have some interest ing the Res
Publica. It is also something that can be connected with length of (active)
citizenship. Why not change the above point system for a system where we
award voting in the December elections. I am not sure if this can be done,
but I think it would take care of some of the injustices of the present
system. We would take away all points steaming from passive citizenship
(except for the first 11 months (or so), for fairness) and reward active
voting. This is what I propose:
points length of citizenship/voting in December elections
2 Citizen less than 6 months
5 Citizen more than 6 months until next reward
10 voting in one December election
20 voting in two December elections
30 voting in three December elections
40 voting in four December elections
50 voting in five December elections or more
I would be interesting to hear what others think of this. Would it be
possible to enforce and would it be/do any good?
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an offical opinion of Nova Roma
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