| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Help needed by a new citizen |
| From: |
AntoniaCorneliaOctavia <europamoon7@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:34:27 -0800 (PST) |
|
--- "rapax@--------" <rapax@-------->
wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Salvete...
> I've a few questions but first allow me to
> introduce myself.I'm
> another 'new,happy
> and proud' citizen of NovaRoma.My main interests
> are Religio (for my
> husband is a
> Pagan.No disrespect meant with the term.) and
> Roman history as a devoted
> student!
> I'm 28 years old ,a graduate of the Faculty of
> Fine Arts,working as an
> interior designer
> in spite of being an Artist :)
> Here are my questions...Were there
> 'extraordinary' women in the
> history of Rome?In
> politics the ones I know are mostly evil like
> Messalina and
> Agrippina.Were there any
> virtuous and famous ones who could represent the
> ideal model of Roman women?
> There were women gladiators but were they Roman
> citizens?Or slaves
> from the provincias?Besides fighting with dwarfs
> had they fought with men
> in equal
> terms? As you can see I'm looking for the traces
> of Roman women who achieved
> extraordinary things in political,social and if I
> can find (I wish I can
> but I guess the
> Roman army was a kind of Boys' club :) ) in
> military areas.
> Thanks in advance for your guidance.It is
> great to be here.
> Valete
> Minervina Sentia Hypatia
Ave,
Welcome to Nova Roma. I am always on the lookout for
great Roman women as well. I found the women of the
House of Severus most impressive. Julia Domna,
Emperor Septimius Severus' wife and Empress of Rome,
her sister Julia Maesa and daughter Julia Mamaea,
grandmother and mother of Emperor Alexander Severus
and Julia Soaemius, also daughter of Julia Maesa and
mother of Emperor Elagabalus. They were powerful and
influential women who had a great deal of authority in
the political atmosphere of their day. While the
Emperor Elagabalus was busy performing his religious
duties and sexual excesses, the Empire was managed
with a great deal of care by Julia Maesa and Julia
Soaemias. Julia Mamaea basically ruled the Empire
during her son's, the Emperor Alexander Severus'
reign. Those these women were not without their
shortcomings they were impressive nonetheless to me.
Vale,
Antonia Cornelia Octavia
Scriba ad Proconsul de California
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Comitia Centuriata will be called soon |
| From: |
Michael Loughlin <qccaesar@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:42:12 -0800 (PST) |
|
Ave,
Okay I can see your point but there should be more
of a margin than 50%+1 to show a distinct majority
amongst tho voting body. If 49% are a against
something and 51% are for it that really does not show
that a clear and distinct majority of the citizens are
in favor of that something. Maybe a margin could be
created for a system of proportions to work. But To
me 50%+1 does not show a clear and distinct majority.
Plus lets say you operated under a 2/3 system. Of the
voting body and those who voted if that piece of
legislation is obviously interesting enough then a
majority of the populous would vote for it believing
it to be in the best interest of the people. If there
is a track record of legislation not passing because
it did not meet the 2/3 requirement then obviously
those who craft that legislation need to do a better
job in carfting it to get a clear and distinct
majority to support their proposal.
vale,
Quintus Cornelius Caesar
--- Caius Puteus Germanicus <puteus@-------->
wrote:
> Ave !
>
> I just hope this lex will not block the proposal of
> Censor Sulla to reform the leges about a census.
> Regardless of that, I agree with the proposal. It is
> unrealistic to always strive to a 2/3-majority. A
> similar system would make our politics very
> bureaucratic and would deprive us of action on a
> short time basis. Think of a lex rejected because of
> only 65% in favour. Proposal to be reviewed,
> reposted, comitia recalled, votes recounted etc.
> This won't be needed if it is simply clear that only
> 49% are in favour, that would mean that 51% is
> against...
>
> Last remark: if we would give 1/3 + 1 of the
> centuriae more power than 2/3 - 1, what kind of a
> system is that? I know not everything has to be
> 'democratic' in the modern sense of the word to be
> good*, but this is way over the edge!
>
> *Historically Rome had something ot three systems as
> Polybius said: monarchy (in the consular powers),
> aristocracy (in the power of the senate), and
> democracy (the power of the comitiae). But antique
> democracy differs from modern one in that respect
> that not every vote counted as much (urban versus
> rural centuries) but there was a direct relation to
> civil duties (military service, tax paying).
>
> Valete optime!
> C. Puteus Germanicus
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Loughlin
> To: novaroma@--------
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] The Comitia Centuriata
> will be called soon
>
>
> Ave,
> I must voice an opinion on this lex regardless
> of
> the fact that it will not change anything. I
> understand that the intention to fix the previous
> lex
> while at the same time maintaining the true
> majority
> aspect of the elections. But I must say that a
> 50%+1
> does not truly show a true majority. When looking
> at
> it shows that a piece of legislature being voted
> upon
> just barely passed. Not that it is really going
> to
> matter due to the opposotion to such an amendment
> but
> I will reiterate myself anyways. I still suggest
> a
> 2/3 majority which will show that a true majority
> of
> the election body was in favor of a piece of
> legislation. But no matter what those in power
> must
> do what is necessary to make the system work.
> vale,
> Quintus Cornelius Caesar
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Comitia Centuriata will be called soon |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:54:59 -0600 (CST) |
|
Salve,
> Okay I can see your point but there should be more
> of a margin than 50%+1 to show a distinct majority
> amongst tho voting body. If 49% are a against
> something and 51% are for it that really does not show
> that a clear and distinct majority of the citizens are
> in favor of that something.
No, but it shows that a sufficiency of those citizens who care to vote
are for (or against) it.
> Maybe a margin could be
> created for a system of proportions to work. But To
> me 50%+1 does not show a clear and distinct majority.
> Plus lets say you operated under a 2/3 system.
That would allow 40% of the voters to thwart the will of 60%. Is that
really desireable?
Additionally, it's non-historical. Our forebears did not require a
2/3rds supermajority to enact a lex.
Vale, Octavius.
--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Propraetor, Lacus Magni
Curator Araneum et Senator
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Comitia Centuriata will be called soon |
| From: |
Michael Loughlin <qccaesar@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:58:15 -0800 (PST) |
|
Ave,
Very well...this is not worth creating another
name calling war over
Quintus Cornelius Caesar
--- Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
wrote:
> Salve,
>
> > Okay I can see your point but there should be
> more
> > of a margin than 50%+1 to show a distinct majority
> > amongst tho voting body. If 49% are a against
> > something and 51% are for it that really does not
> show
> > that a clear and distinct majority of the citizens
> are
> > in favor of that something.
>
> No, but it shows that a sufficiency of those
> citizens who care to vote
> are for (or against) it.
>
> > Maybe a margin could be
> > created for a system of proportions to work. But
> To
> > me 50%+1 does not show a clear and distinct
> majority.
> > Plus lets say you operated under a 2/3 system.
>
> That would allow 40% of the voters to thwart the
> will of 60%. Is that
> really desireable?
>
> Additionally, it's non-historical. Our forebears
> did not require a
> 2/3rds supermajority to enact a lex.
>
> Vale, Octavius.
>
> --
> M. Octavius Germanicus
> Propraetor, Lacus Magni
> Curator Araneum et Senator
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Comitia Centuriata will be called soon |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@--------> |
| Date: |
31 Oct 2001 01:48:59 -0200 |
|
Salve,
I think the 2 views are good.
My personnal preferences would be the following: the actual 50%+1 of all
centuries (97 centuries) and if not enough centuries expressed a vote, a
2/3 majority of the voting centuries.
This way we would respect the historic system without blocking the
voting when not enough citizens are interrested in the subject to be
voted on.
If the legislation to be past is of great interrest to the citizens the
historical system will be used because enough centuries vote. If it is
less interresting to the citizens at least a large 2/3 majority of the
interrested centuries made the decision for the uninterrested.
The 50%+1 of voting centuries, together with the century system itself
increases too much the oligarchic nature of our system since a united
1st class could nearly decide alone against a united 5th class which
contains much more citizens.
Vale,
Manius Villius Limitanus
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| Subject: |
Fwd: RE: [novaroma] Help needed by a new citizen |
| From: |
"rapax@--------" <rapax@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:20:38 +0200 |
|
Salve
I've received my citizenship in this saturday,but my husband who is
known to you as Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion is a citizen for nine
months.I'm using his home computer and his address to send messages
to our whole yahoo groups.As for when he started to use his mail address for
Novaroma first,I've no idea.If there is something wrong with this please
tell me
so that I try to fix the problem.
Vale / Minervina Sentia Hypatia
>Salve,
>
>I am curious. You have been a member of the Main List since March of 2001
>and used to post, at one point quite frequently, under a different name
>here. Have you just *now* received citizenship after all this time? Just
>curious, as the change of name and introduction as being "new" seems a bit
>confusing.
>
>Vale,
>Priscilla Vedia Serena
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Comitia Centuriata will be called soon |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:55:40 -0300 (ART) |
|
Salvete, Quirites
I believe that Gnaeus Salix have had a good idea, we
can vote in the "refused" laws again. At least three
members of my gens, from different centurias,
abstained from vote in the age of citizenship law,
forgetting that two other Arminians are awaiting for
march to complete 18 years (they believe that send
documents to the Censores is too much complicated).
If the lex would be reissued, they will vote yes.
Marcus Arminius Maior
Paterfamilias Arminiae
--- Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
escreveu: > Salvete Quirites; et salve, Consul.
>
> --- Flavius Vedius Germanicus
> <germanicus@--------> wrote:
> > Salvete;
> >
> > I will be calling the Comitia Centuriata to order
> quite soon to
> > present a
> > bill to change the absolute majority requirement
> to a majority of
> > those
> > centuries which cast votes.
[..]
> > Valete,
> >
> > Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> > Consul
>
[..]
> Have you considered proposing the laws that did not
> pass in the last
> votation again?
> =====
> Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
> Gnaeus Salix Astur.
> Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Report on the Ist Microcon |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:01:43 -0300 (ART) |
|
Salvete
--- Flavius Vedius Germanicus
<germanicus@--------> escreveu: > Salve;
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michel Loos [mailto:loos@--------]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 6:56 AM
> >
> > yesterday, Saturday, 27th October, took place in
> S=E3o Paulo the fist
> > MicroCon: Convention of Micronations. On the
> indication of Propraetor M.
> > Arminius Maior, I participated as representant of
> NovaRoma.
>
> I am pleased to hear about such a conference being
> held; too bad this is the
> first I have heard about it. Perhaps if you and M.
> Arminius had not been so
> tight-lipped about it, you might have actually been
> in attendence with some
> sort of official imprimatur (or at the very least,
> some advice from those of
> us with a bit more experience with the micronational
> scene). Still, I'm
> happy that Nova Roma was represented.
[..]
>
> Vale,
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
M Arminius Maior:
Thanks for your offer, Consul. We will be more
communicative next time.
Vale
M Arminius
Propraetor Brasiliae
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Comitia Centuriata, passive cives and points |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:14:36 -0300 (ART) |
|
Salvete
I support the proposal of Caeso Fabius, is very
reasonable. Is possible to determine who voted in the
december elections since 2752, or perhaps would be
better to implement this proposal since this year.
M Arminius
--- Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@-------->
escreveu:
> Salvete Quirites!
>
[..]
> Change points for length of citizenship into points
> for voting.
>
> The current system with point steeming from the
> length of citizenship isn't
> fair. You can be totally passive and still get
> points, which means that
> citizens who are quite new, but actually work for
> the Res Publica will for
> a long time get less points then those who became a
> citizens, lets say,
> three years ago and haven't done anything for the
> Res Publica since then.
[..]
>This is what I propose:
>
> points length of citizenship/voting in December
> elections
>
> 2 Citizen less than 6 months
>
> 5 Citizen more than 6 months until
> next reward
>
> 10 voting in one December election
>
> 20 voting in two December
> elections
>
> 30 voting in three December
> elections
>
> 40 voting in four December
> elections
>
> 50 voting in five December
> elections or more
>
> I would be interesting to hear what others think of
> this. Would it be
> possible to enforce and would it be/do any good?
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Quaestor of Nova Roma
> Propraetor of Thule
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] The Comitia Centuriata will be called soon |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 Oct 2001 08:23:18 -0500 |
|
Salve;
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Caius Puteus Germanicus [mailto:puteus@--------]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:19 PM
>
> I just hope this lex will not block the proposal of Censor Sulla
> to reform the leges about a census.
This has nothing to do with the Census. It's solely about the voting
procedures in the Comitia Centuriata.
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
|
| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] The Comitia Centuriata will be called soon |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 Oct 2001 08:25:51 -0500 |
|
Salve;
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gnaeus Salix Astur [mailto:salixastur@--------]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:50 PM
>
> A swift and simple, albeit somehow provisional, solution. I will vote
> in favour (should anyone be interested in my opinion ;-) ).
> Have you considered proposing the laws that did not pass in the last
> votation again?
Indeed; I would like to take another try at getting them passed; under the
current rules, we'll still need the 97 centuries, but I'm in favor of
trying. Hopefully people's awareness of the importance of voting will be
raised this time around.
Vale,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re-Formatting H. D. |
| From: |
"Appius Tullius Cato" <a.cato@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:33:33 -0500 |
|
Salvete Omnes: I am going to re-format my hard-drive and re-load Windows. This is an attempt to clear up a major computer problem. I consider myself lucky if I am able to post this message at this point. If this action does not work, I will have to take the computer in to the professionals, in which case I will be unable to handle my duties until I am back up and running. Anyone needing to get in touch with me, please be patient, and be back as soon as I am able.
Bene valete, ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
Rogator, Novae Romae
Procurator, Provincia Canadae Orientalis
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| Subject: |
RE: RE: [novaroma] Help needed by a new citizen |
| From: |
"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:33:31 -0500 |
|
Salve,
No, no problem. :) Thank you for clarifying and welcome!
Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rapax@-------- [mailto:rapax@--------]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 6:21 AM
> To: novaroma
> Subject: Fwd: RE: [novaroma] Help needed by a new citizen
>
>
>
>
> Salve
> I've received my citizenship in this saturday,but my husband who is
> known to you as Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion is a citizen for nine
> months.I'm using his home computer and his address to send messages
> to our whole yahoo groups.As for when he started to use his
> mail address for
> Novaroma first,I've no idea.If there is something wrong with this please
> tell me
> so that I try to fix the problem.
> Vale / Minervina Sentia Hypatia
>
>
>
>
> >Salve,
> >
> >I am curious. You have been a member of the Main List since
> March of 2001
> >and used to post, at one point quite frequently, under a different name
> >here. Have you just *now* received citizenship after all this
> time? Just
> >curious, as the change of name and introduction as being "new"
> seems a bit
> >confusing.
> >
> >Vale,
> >Priscilla Vedia Serena
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: |
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| From: |
tiberius.ann@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:30:11 +0100 |
|
Please excuse my dropping in like that, but I am kind of puzzled by this
discussion.
If 50%+1 is not a clear majority and 2/3 is too much because maybe only
65% vote for it and then the situation would be almost the same as at the
moment, why not go for something in the middle and say 60% or maybe 55%
of the votes have to be in favour to pass a lex?
Please don't feel annoyed by this, but I can't see the problem, so this
is just a proposal.
Curate ut semper valeatis, Tiberius Annaeus Otho
Scriba legata legati germaniae superioris
-- Original-Nachricht --
>Salve,
>
>> Okay I can see your point but there should be more
>> of a margin than 50%+1 to show a distinct majority
>> amongst tho voting body. If 49% are a against
>> something and 51% are for it that really does not show
>> that a clear and distinct majority of the citizens are
>> in favor of that something.
>
>No, but it shows that a sufficiency of those citizens who care to vote
>are for (or against) it.
>
>> Maybe a margin could be
>> created for a system of proportions to work. But To
>> me 50%+1 does not show a clear and distinct majority.
>> Plus lets say you operated under a 2/3 system.
>
>That would allow 40% of the voters to thwart the will of 60%. Is that
>really desireable?
>
>Additionally, it's non-historical. Our forebears did not require a
>2/3rds supermajority to enact a lex.
>
>Vale, Octavius.
>
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>Curator Araneum et Senator
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The Comitia Centuriata will be called soon |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 Oct 2001 07:05:04 -0800 (PST) |
|
--- Flavius Vedius Germanicus
<germanicus@--------> wrote:
> Salvete;
>
> I will be calling the Comitia Centuriata to order
> quite soon to present a
> bill to change the absolute majority requirement to
> a majority of those
> centuries which cast votes. This should solve the
> problem that has emerged
> with low voter turnout, while retaining the ancient
> system of requiring a
> true majority. Here's the text of the proposed
> amendment:
>
> -----
>
> LEX VEDIA DE RATIONE COMITIORUM CENTURIATORUM
>
> I. The Lex Vedia de Ratione Comitiorum Centuiatorum
> of August 2754 is hereby
> amended to read as follows:
>
> II. In Paragraph V.B. and its sub-paragraphs, the
> phrase "97 of the 193
> centuries" shall be replaced with the phrase "a
> majority (50% +1) of those
> centuries which cast valid votes" wherever it
> occurs.
>
> -----
>
> Short and sweet, it will fix the problem and yet
> retain historicity. Namely,
> once we _do_ have all 193 centuries voting, the
> historical requirement for
> an absolute majority will still be in effect.
>
> Once I hear back from our rogatores regarding their
> availability, I will be
> calling the Comitia to vote. This must be completed
> by the start of the
> year-end elections, of course. I trust that everyone
> will make an extra
> special effort to vote, as we will be operating
> under the current (firm 97
> centuries in favor) rules.
>
> Valete,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
>
Salvete Consul et Omnes,
It isn't clear if "cast valid votes" includes a
century that returns a no preferance vote, a distinct
possibility if only one citizen votes in his century.
We could have a situation where Canidate A recives 75
Centuries, Canidate B recives 73 Centuries, with 5
Centuries casting No Preferance votes.
In this case 153 Centuries return votes, half of 153
is 76.5 or 77 for the majority, a threshold that
niether canidate crosses unless it's spelled out that
"No Preferance" Votes aren't counted in determining a
majority.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] An interesting read |
| From: |
"Sybil Leek" <DolanAp@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:45:20 -0800 |
|
Salvete Omnes,
As of late, I have been doing a little reading up on the concepts of love in
ancient Greece. I have found the book that I am reading very insightful and
thought provoking, though it is not center on Roman culture I would like to
share it with you.
The title of the book is: Love in Ancient Greece, by: Robert Flaceliere,
Crown Publishing: New York, 1962. LCC# 62-11804
The book covers such topics as: Homer and his representations of human and
godly love in coupling, Homosexuality in the Greek world throughout several
centuries of generation, Marriage and Family Life historic concepts and
change through time, Courtesans and their statues in political and common
life compared to married women of the time, Philosophers of Love their views
through several centuries of social change (including several female
philosophers other than Sappho), and the concept of Romantic Love in
marriage throughout the Greek world.
The book is a rather quick read but has a lot to offer conceptually
concerning the social life of the ancients. My experience with reading it
was that a few concepts I had been taught about ancient life were further
clarified and other concepts I now question more. My hope is that it’s as
interesting a read to you as it was to me.
Valete Prima Nocta Ritulia
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If reality were an egg, would I know it was the same egg seen a second time?
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] The Comitia Centuriata will be called soon |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:55:35 -0500 |
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Salve;
>
> Salvete Consul et Omnes,
>
> It isn't clear if "cast valid votes" includes a
> century that returns a no preferance vote, a distinct
> possibility if only one citizen votes in his century.
A good point. Perhaps adding another paragraph will close that particular
loophole:
-----
LEX VEDIA DE RATIONE COMITIORUM CENTURIATORUM
I. The Lex Vedia de Ratione Comitiorum Centuiatorum of August 2754 is hereby
amended to read as follows:
II. In Paragraph V.B. and its sub-paragraphs, the phrase "97 of the 193
centuries" shall be replaced with the phrase "a majority (50% +1) of those
centuries which cast valid votes" wherever it occurs.
III. A Paragraph V.B.3. shall be added which reads "Only votes either for a
particular candidate for office, or in favor of or against a lex, shall be
counted towards the determination of a majority. Votes received as
abstentions shall not count towards the determination of a majority.
-----
Vale,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Help needed by a new citizen |
| From: |
cn.octavius.noricus@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 Oct 2001 22:14:08 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, "rapax@s..." <rapax@s...> wrote:
>
> Here are my questions...Were there 'extraordinary' women in
the
> history of Rome?In
> politics the ones I know are mostly evil like Messalina and
> Agrippina.Were there any
> virtuous and famous ones who could represent the ideal model of
Roman women?
Salvete all,
I would like to add one name to the "list" of virtuous women:
Epicharis.
As far as I remember, she was a slave involved in the Pisonian
conspiracy against Nero.
When the plot was discovered, even senators - involved or not -
panically accused other people of being conspirators in order to
divert Nero's attention from themselves.
Epicharis was arrested and tortured, but she didn't give away names
or other information. In the end, she committed suicide so her lips
would be sealed. (I hope I remember Tacitus' report somewhat
correctly).
I think that's quite impressing: The slave woman showed more "virtus"
("manliness") than senators!
Valete!
Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] The Comitia Centuriata will be called soon |
| From: |
Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:57:52 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete Quirites; et salve, consul.
--- Flavius Vedius Germanicus <germanicus@--------> wrote:
> Salve;
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gnaeus Salix Astur [mailto:salixastur@--------]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:50 PM
> >
> > A swift and simple, albeit somehow provisional, solution. I will
> vote
> > in favour (should anyone be interested in my opinion ;-) ).
> > Have you considered proposing the laws that did not pass in the
> last
> > votation again?
>
> Indeed; I would like to take another try at getting them passed;
> under the
> current rules, we'll still need the 97 centuries, but I'm in favor of
> trying. Hopefully people's awareness of the importance of voting will
> be
> raised this time around.
>
> Vale,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Consul
This is also my opinion. Thank you for your response, consul.
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Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
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Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Imperium RPG is accepting new players. |
| From: |
Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:49:42 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete Quirites.
I have been asked to inform you that an online Role Playing Game called
"Imperium", centered on the Roman Republic at the beginning of the 2nd
century BCE, is accepting new players.
Those interested in joining should visit:
http://www.communityzero.com/imperium/
Thank you.
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Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
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