Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: nota patres et matres familiae
From:	"Lucius Maximus Serranus" <luciusmaximusserranus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 8 Nov 2001 23:26:10 +0100

Salvete T. Labiene Fortunate, Cai,

After all you might be right. A civis should be able to change his nomen.
Your solution has some advantages :

- Only experienced cives will be able to create gentes, and therefore new citizens won't create it just for fun.

I looks like a good solution but there's still something it doesn't solve. The problem is not simply the number of gentes, but also the activity and communication within gentes : the management of the gentes by patresfamilias.

Your idea, obviously, is efficient to reduce the number of gentes.. but it doesn't help pushing patresfamilias to worry about their gens.

Caius Puteus Germanicus' solution about taxing patresfamilias gave importance and responsibility to gentes but had the inconvenient of eventually taxing people who are new in Nova Roma.

I suggest a good solution would be a mix of your two ideas. Any 6 months experienced civis could create a gens of his own and manage it in exchange of a tax to Nova Roma.

This solution reduces the number of gentes and also prevents 6 months experienced cives who become patresfamilias to be inactive in their gens.

What do you think ?

Valete,

Lucius Maximus Serranus
----- Original Message -----
From: labienus@--------
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: nota patres et matres familiae


Salvete L Maxime et alii

> Do you mean that those 6 months experienced cives would change their name to
> create their own gens and be paterfamilias of it ?

Yes, they would change their nomen gentilis.

> If so, isn't there a problem, consequence of this change ?

There's a trade-off on the part of the person making the change. I don't see
any particular problem beyond that, though.

> I mean, let's say you join Nova Roma. You first have a nomen from an existing
> gens. With time being you meet people, and acheive things.. your name is
> becoming famous, maybe not in the whole respublica but at least in your
> cercle of knowings.
>
> Roman names are already something which is a bit hard to get use of for new
> citizens. What if those names can changed ?

They can already be changed. We have several cives who have successfully
changed their nomen gentilis (and therefore their gens) for various reasons.
These cives felt that the change was worth the temporary loss of
recognizability. The idea, after all, is to reduce the number of gentes that
are formed either hastily or frivolously.

Also, note that currently in Nova Roma gentes are distinguished from each other
by both nomen and cognomen. There would be nothing to stop T Tidlipus from
founding Gens Tidlipa Secunda and retaining the essence of his name. If he
decided to found a gens with a different nomen then he would have to be willing
to accept that it would take a while for people to get used to his new
appellation.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] New citizen
From:	"Lucius Maximus Serranus" <luciusmaximusserranus@-------->
Date:	Fri, 9 Nov 2001 00:22:24 +0100

Salve Lutecio,

I'm glad to hear from you and very pleased to meet you.

I'm from Gallia Australis (which my neighbours just call France :). I've seen there was a question about Gallia, "Belgica" and Germania and which exact regions were included in these provinciae. There was a poll lasting until the 31st of October, wasn't there ? I'm very interested in the results of this poll. Could you tell me about it ?

Vale,

Lucius Maximus Serranus
----- Original Message -----
From: Yann Quéré
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] New citizen


Welcome Lucii Maxime Serrano
Which macronation are you citizen of ?
Are you part of Gallia Borealis or Gallia Australis ?

Bene Vale
Ianus Querius Armoricus Lutecio
Propraetor Galliae

----- Original Message -----
From: Lucius Maximus Serranus <luciusmaximusserranus@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 9:08 PM
Subject: [novaroma] New citizen


> Salvete Novoromani,
>
> As you can see my Latin (and also my English) is not perfect.. but I'm
working hard on it. I asked for citizenship and my pater gens acceptance two
days ago and I can't wait to join Nova Roma. I'd like to work with people
interested in Provincia Gallia. I'm especially interested in politics and
I'd be glad to help Nova Roma and participate in its development.
>
> I'm actually a bit lost at the moment, since Nova Roma is a new concept
for me. The website is great, really.. and I had opportunities to speak with
several Novoromani who helped me a bit.
>
> I'm just really excited about what you've done. It looks great and I
really look forward to be able to give you a hand on that.
>
> Valete,
>
> Lucius Maximus Serranus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Subject:	[novaroma] Welcome New Citizens
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Fri, 09 Nov 2001 01:21:59 -0000

Salvete:

Just a note to say welcome to new citizens, and those who may have
recently subscribed to the mainlist of Nova Roma, to learn more about
the republic.

It is good to see Nova Roma grow.

Valete,
Pompeia Cornelia
Propraetrix et Scriba
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Museum Exhibition Listings Relating to the Classical World
From:	"C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@-------->
Date:	Thu, 8 Nov 2001 21:23:20 -0500

Salve!

Umm... The USA is on this =) Right below the UK. The list is updated
every issue so it only has new info/upcomming events/changes etc., as
opposed to listing every museum/gallery with classical exhibits,
otherwise it would have been a mighty long list - I think I would have
died of carpal tunnel syndrome before finishing typing something like
that!

Vale,

C. Minucius Hadrianus

-----Original Message-----
From: AntoniaCorneliaOctavia [mailto:europamoon7@--------]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 6:05 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Museum Exhibition Listings Relating to the
Classical World


Salve,

Thank you for this list. I wish the United States was
included in this. I recently organized a Museum tour
right here in southern California which included The
Holy Land and The Etruscans exhibits and it was a
great way for us local Romans to get together. Let me
know there if a way to access a list like this for the
U.S.

Vale,

Antonia Cornelia Octavia
Scriba ad Proconsul de California




--- "C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@-------->
wrote:
> Salvete!
>
> This is a listing of upcoming Museum Exhibitions
> around the world
> relating to the Ancient/Classical World. I found the
> information in the
> calendar section of most recent edition of Minerva
> Magazine (The
> International Review of Ancient Art & Archeology).
> Many of these events
> would offer excellent opportunities for 'in-person'
> NR get-together. It
> turned out to be a bit more serious undertaking than
> I had originally
> thought, but after few hour and some sore fingers
> later, here it is!
> ~_^ The listings are in order by
> Country/City/Region:
>
> United Kingdom
>
> BRIDGEPORT, Dorset
> WADDON HILL EXCAVATIONS.
> Waddon Hill was occupied for years by the elite
> Roman Legio II Augusta
> before they marched into the Mid-lands to crush the
> revolt led by
> Boudicca. The fort was excavated in 1959-69, and
> yielded an
> extraordinarily rich number of finds, one of the
> best Roman military
> collections in Britain.
> BRIDGEPORT MUSEUM (44) 1308 422-116. A new permanent
> display.
>
> NORWICH, Norfolk
> NORWICH CASTLE MUSEUM
> Re-opened on 24 July after undergoing an extensive
> refurbishment.
> Visitors are now able to see parts of the castle
> that have never before
> been accessible., including the basement of the keep
> - where it is
> possible to discover how the castle was constructed.
> A new archeology
> gallery celebrates the story of Queen Boudica and
> displays the treasure
> of her Iceni tribe, and a new Egyptian gallery has
> been designed
> especially to show the museum's collection.
> NORWICH CASTLE MUSEUM (44) 1603 493-625
>
> United States
>
> ATLANTA, Georgia
> MYSTERIES OF THE MUMMIES: THE ART AND ARCHEOLOGY OF
> DEATH IN ANCIENT
> EGYPT
> The newly reinstalled galleries of Egyptian and Near
> Eastern art will
> open in October 2001, including the recently
> acquired collection of
> sarcophagi, mummies, and other Egyptian antiquities
> from the Niagara
> Falls Museum.
> Permanent Display
> THE COLLECTOR'S EYE: MASTERPIECES OF EGYPTIAN ART
> FROM THE THALASSIC
> COLLECTION.
> An impressive private collection of Egyptian
> treasures from Predynastic
> to Roman periods. Shown publicly for the first time,
> the collection
> includes sculpture, royal and private portraits, and
> funerary and cult
> objects.
> Until January 6, 2001
> THE MICHAEL C. CARLOS MUSEUM (1) 404 727-4282
> www.emory.edu/carlos
>
> BALTIMORE, Maryland
> ANTIOCH: THE LOST ANCIENT CITY
> The first major exhibition devoted to this famed
> Syrian city, featuring
> sculpture, silverware and jewelry was well as
> several notable mosaics.
> 16 September to December 2001 (final venue)
> THE BALTIMORE MUSEUM OF ART (1) 410 396-7100
> www.artbma.org
>
> BOSTON, Massachusetts
> THE ANCIENT ART OF THE NEAR EAST
> Permanent installation tracing the evolution and art
> of Anatolia, the
> Levant, Mesopotamia, Iran and West Central-Asia.
> Permanent Display
> THE BOSTON MUSEUM OF FINE ARTS (1) 617 267-9300
> www.mfa.org
>
> CAMBRIDGE, Massachusetts
> THE SPHINX AND THE PYRAMIDS: 100 YEARS OF AMERICAN
> ARCHEOLOGY IN GIZA
> Ongoing exhibition
> THE HARVARD UNIVERSITY SEMITIC MUSEUM (1)
> 617-495-4631
>
> CHICAGO, Illinois
> CLEOPATRA OF EGYPT: FROM HISTORY TO MYTH
> A major exhibition featuring 350 objects from 13
> countries including
> ancient portraits, sculpture, gems and coins.
> 18 October 2001 - 3 March 2002 (final venue)
> FIELD MUSEUM (1) 312 922-9410 www.fieldmuseum.org
>
> HOUSTON, Texas
> IN SEARCH OF ETERNITY: LIFE AND DEATH IN ANCIENT
> EGYPT
> Hundreds of antiquities covering a period of 4000
> years, models and
> photographs.
> Until 31 December 2001
> HOUSTON MUSEUM OF NATURAL SCIENCE (1) 713 639-4601
>
> NEWARK, New Jersey
> FIRE AND LIGHT: 3000 YEARS OF GLASS ARTISTRY
> A reinstallation of the museum's notable collection
> of Egyptian,
> Mesopotamian, Greek and Roman Glass vessels.
> Until January 2002
> THE NEWARK MUSEUM (1) 973 596-6550
>
> NEW YORK, New York
> NEW GREEK AND ROMAN GALLERIES PHASE 2
> The grand vaulted gallery, together with six
> flanking galleries, are
> newly reopened for the museum's extraordinary
> collection of Greek art
> from the 6th to 4th centuries BC. 1200 objects are
> on display, including
> a good number of pieces long in storage, in well lit
> and spacious
> accommodations. Phase 1, opened previously, is
> devoted to early Greek
> art from the Cycladic through Archaic periods.
> Permanent Display
> THE METROPOLITAN MUSEUM OF ART (1) 212 879-5500
> www.metmuseum.org
>
> PRINCETON, New Jersey
> EMPIRE OF STONE: ROMAN SCULPTURE FROM THE ART
> MUSEUM, PRINCETON
> UNIVERSITY
> 48 Works of ancient art from the museum's
> distinguished collection in an
> installation designed by Craig Konyk.
> 13 October 2001 - 20 January 2002
> PLINY'S CUP: ROMAN SILVER IN THE AGE OF AUGUSTUS
> Three silver-gilt wine cups with bold relief
> decoration from the early
> 1st century AD, one recently acquired by the museum,
> and the other two
> on loan.
> 13 October 2001 - 20 January 2002
> THE ART MUSEUM, PRINCETON UNIVERSITY (1) 609
> 258-3788
>
> PROVIDENCE, Rhode Island
> RETHINKING THE ROMANS: NEW VIEWS OF ANCIENT
> SCULPTURE
> The first permanent installation of the museum's
> fine Roman sculptures
> with an emphasis of the works of art the reflect
> Roman culture, some of
> which were previously though to be mere copies of
> Greek art from the 6th
> to 4th centuries BC.
> Permanent Display Opened March 2001
> MUSEUM OF ART, RHODE ISLAND SCHOOL OF DESIGN (1) 401
> 454-6500
> www.risd.edu
>
> AUSTRIA
>
> VIENNA
> ARTEMIS OF EPHESUS
> 16 OCTOBER 2001 - 2 APRIL 2002
> REOPENING OF THE EGYPTIAN AND NEAR-EASTERN
> COLLECTION
> Following extensive refurbishment, the collection
> will reopen on 24
> September 2001
> Permanent Display
> KUNSTHISTORISCHES MUSEUM (43) 1 525-240 www.khm.at
>
> CANADA
>
> TORONTO, Ontario
> ANCIENT MARINERS OF THE ADRIATIC
> An on-going exhibition of Bronze Age, Greek and
> Roman artifacts
> uncovered by an R.O.M. expedition to Palagruza, a
> Dalmatian
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Museum Exhibition Listings Relating to the Classical World
From:	AntoniaCorneliaOctavia <europamoon7@-------->
Date:	Thu, 8 Nov 2001 22:18:52 -0800 (PST)

Salve,

Sorry I must have accidentally skipped down to the
Europe section. Thank you for pointing that out.

Vale,

Antonia


--- "C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@-------->
wrote:
> Salve!
>
> Umm... The USA is on this =) Right below the UK. The
> list is updated
> every issue so it only has new info/upcomming
> events/changes etc., as
> opposed to listing every museum/gallery with
> classical exhibits,
> otherwise it would have been a mighty long list - I
> think I would have
> died of carpal tunnel syndrome before finishing
> typing something like
> that!
>
> Vale,
>
> C. Minucius Hadrianus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AntoniaCorneliaOctavia
> [mailto:europamoon7@--------]
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 6:05 PM
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] Museum Exhibition Listings
> Relating to the
> Classical World
>
>
> Salve,
>
> Thank you for this list. I wish the United States
> was
> included in this. I recently organized a Museum
> tour
> right here in southern California which included The
> Holy Land and The Etruscans exhibits and it was a
> great way for us local Romans to get together. Let
> me
> know there if a way to access a list like this for
> the
> U.S.
>
> Vale,
>
> Antonia Cornelia Octavia
> Scriba ad Proconsul de California
>
>
>
>
> --- "C. Minucius Hadrianus"
> <shinjikun@-------->
> wrote:
> > Salvete!
> >
> > This is a listing of upcoming Museum Exhibitions
> > around the world
> > relating to the Ancient/Classical World. I found
> the
> > information in the
> > calendar section of most recent edition of Minerva
> > Magazine (The
> > International Review of Ancient Art & Archeology).
> > Many of these events
> > would offer excellent opportunities for
> 'in-person'
> > NR get-together. It
> > turned out to be a bit more serious undertaking
> than
> > I had originally
> > thought, but after few hour and some sore fingers
> > later, here it is!
> > ~_^ The listings are in order by
> > Country/City/Region:
> >
> > United Kingdom
> >
> > BRIDGEPORT, Dorset
> > WADDON HILL EXCAVATIONS.
> > Waddon Hill was occupied for years by the elite
> > Roman Legio II Augusta
> > before they marched into the Mid-lands to crush
> the
> > revolt led by
> > Boudicca. The fort was excavated in 1959-69, and
> > yielded an
> > extraordinarily rich number of finds, one of the
> > best Roman military
> > collections in Britain.
> > BRIDGEPORT MUSEUM (44) 1308 422-116. A new
> permanent
> > display.
> >
> > NORWICH, Norfolk
> > NORWICH CASTLE MUSEUM
> > Re-opened on 24 July after undergoing an extensive
> > refurbishment.
> > Visitors are now able to see parts of the castle
> > that have never before
> > been accessible., including the basement of the
> keep
> > - where it is
> > possible to discover how the castle was
> constructed.
> > A new archeology
> > gallery celebrates the story of Queen Boudica and
> > displays the treasure
> > of her Iceni tribe, and a new Egyptian gallery has
> > been designed
> > especially to show the museum's collection.
> > NORWICH CASTLE MUSEUM (44) 1603 493-625
> >
> > United States
> >
> > ATLANTA, Georgia
> > MYSTERIES OF THE MUMMIES: THE ART AND ARCHEOLOGY
> OF
> > DEATH IN ANCIENT
> > EGYPT
> > The newly reinstalled galleries of Egyptian and
> Near
> > Eastern art will
> > open in October 2001, including the recently
> > acquired collection of
> > sarcophagi, mummies, and other Egyptian
> antiquities
> > from the Niagara
> > Falls Museum.
> > Permanent Display
> > THE COLLECTOR'S EYE: MASTERPIECES OF EGYPTIAN ART
> > FROM THE THALASSIC
> > COLLECTION.
> > An impressive private collection of Egyptian
> > treasures from Predynastic
> > to Roman periods. Shown publicly for the first
> time,
> > the collection
> > includes sculpture, royal and private portraits,
> and
> > funerary and cult
> > objects.
> > Until January 6, 2001
> > THE MICHAEL C. CARLOS MUSEUM (1) 404 727-4282
> > www.emory.edu/carlos
> >
> > BALTIMORE, Maryland
> > ANTIOCH: THE LOST ANCIENT CITY
> > The first major exhibition devoted to this famed
> > Syrian city, featuring
> > sculpture, silverware and jewelry was well as
> > several notable mosaics.
> > 16 September to December 2001 (final venue)
> > THE BALTIMORE MUSEUM OF ART (1) 410 396-7100
> > www.artbma.org
> >
> > BOSTON, Massachusetts
> > THE ANCIENT ART OF THE NEAR EAST
> > Permanent installation tracing the evolution and
> art
> > of Anatolia, the
> > Levant, Mesopotamia, Iran and West Central-Asia.
> > Permanent Display
> > THE BOSTON MUSEUM OF FINE ARTS (1) 617 267-9300
> > www.mfa.org
> >
> > CAMBRIDGE, Massachusetts
> > THE SPHINX AND THE PYRAMIDS: 100 YEARS OF AMERICAN
> > ARCHEOLOGY IN GIZA
> > Ongoing exhibition
> > THE HARVARD UNIVERSITY SEMITIC MUSEUM (1)
> > 617-495-4631
> >
> > CHICAGO, Illinois
> > CLEOPATRA OF EGYPT: FROM HISTORY TO MYTH
> > A major exhibition featuring 350 objects from 13
> > countries including
> > ancient portraits, sculpture, gems and coins.
> > 18 October 2001 - 3 March 2002 (final venue)
> > FIELD MUSEUM (1) 312 922-9410 www.fieldmuseum.org
> >
> > HOUSTON, Texas
> > IN SEARCH OF ETERNITY: LIFE AND DEATH IN ANCIENT
> > EGYPT
> > Hundreds of antiquities covering a period of 4000
> > years, models and
> > photographs.
> > Until 31 December 2001
> > HOUSTON MUSEUM OF NATURAL SCIENCE (1) 713 639-4601
> >
> > NEWARK, New Jersey
> > FIRE AND LIGHT: 3000 YEARS OF GLASS ARTISTRY
> > A reinstallation of the museum's notable
> collection
> > of Egyptian,
> > Mesopotamian, Greek and Roman Glass vessels.
> > Until January 2002
> > THE NEWARK MUSEUM (1) 973 596-6550
> >
> > NEW YORK, New York
> > NEW GREEK AND ROMAN GALLERIES PHASE 2
> > The grand vaulted gallery, together with six
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Welcome New Citizens
From:	"Marcus Ursus" <Floreus@-------->
Date:	Fri, 09 Nov 2001 08:26:15 -0600

Salvete,

Thank's for the general 'welcome aboard'. As one of the newer citizens,
I've been lurking quietly, putting it all into perspective. I'm honored to
be a citizen and I look forward to offering whatever services I can to
further Nova Roma. However, I see I've much Latin to learn... as I'm
essentialy 'rusticus' in that regard.

Valete,

Marcus Floreus Ursus


>From: trog99@--------
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Welcome New Citizens
>Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 01:21:59 -0000
>
>Salvete:
>
>Just a note to say welcome to new citizens, and those who may have
>recently subscribed to the mainlist of Nova Roma, to learn more about
>the republic.
>
>It is good to see Nova Roma grow.
>
>Valete,
>Pompeia Cornelia
>Propraetrix et Scriba
>Nova Roma
>


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Subject:	[novaroma] Bienvenido/welcome Glycon Quintus Zosimus
From:	danielovi@--------
Date:	Fri, 09 Nov 2001 22:34:26 -0000

Salve
Como propraetor quiero darle la más cálida bienvenida al flamante
ciudadano novaromano de Argentina Glycon Quintus Zosimus.
Un brindis por el crecimiento de nuestra provincia!! Ya somos 15!!.
Bene vale
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor provincialis Argentinĉ

Salve
As porpraetor provincialis Argentinae I wish to give the warmest
welcome to the newest civis novaromanus argentinianus Glycon Quintus
Zosimus. Cheers!!! Now we are already 15!!!
Bene vale
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor provincialis Argentinĉ

Salve
Maximo gaudio te accipio O novissime civis argentiniane Glycon Quinte
Zosime. Prosit provinciae Argentinae! Nunc iam quindecim in provincia
nostra adsumus.
Bene vale
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Propraetor provincialis Argentinĉ