| Subject: |
[novaroma] COMITIA CENTURIATA - Finalized Agenda & Schedule |
| From: |
cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:17:51 EST |
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Salvete,
Many thanks to all Citizens who have participated in public discussion of the
current vote agenda! It has been wonderful to see thoughtful and reasonable
discussion on the issues.
This post finalizes the items up for vote with minor changes (mention of
Abstaining votes in Agenda Item I, and a change giving more leeway to the
timing of magisterial votes in Agenda Item III.)
In addition, there must be a minor change in the times the polls will be open
to make sure this vote is completely legal:
The timing of the vote shall be (all times given in official NR time;subtract
6 hours to get EST):* Voting shall take place between 6:00 PM November 23rd
and 9:00 PM November 30th.
The finalized voting agenda is as follows:
VOTE AGENDA
Item 1 - The Lex Vedia de Ratione Comitiorum Centuriatorum is hereby amended:
I. Paragraph V.A.1 is altered to read as follows:
1. In the case of a magisterial election, each century shall cast a
number of votes equal to the number of vacancies for the magistracy
in question or the number of candidates who received individual votes
from members of that century, whichever is less. Votes shall be
assigned to those candidates who received votes by members of the
century, with those candidates receiving the most valid individual
votes receiving the century's vote first, then working down in
descending order until either all the century's votes have been
assigned, or there are no remaining candidates who received votes
from citizens in that century.
II. The following paragraph is inserted after Paragraph V.A.3.
4. No candidate may win a century unless he or she has received at
least one vote from a citizen within that century.
III. In paragraph V.B.1, the phrase "97 of the 193 centuries" shall be
replaced with "a simple majority of the centuries casting votes".
IV. In paragraph V.B.2, the phrase "97 of the 193 centuries" shall be
replaced with "a simple majority of the centuries casting votes".
V. Paragraph V.B.3 is added:
3. "A simple majority" is hereby defined as "one half of the number
of centuries casting votes, plus one". Abstentions are not considered
votes, and a century in which all voters abstained shall not be counted
toward this total.
Item II - Lex Cassia De Cratione Sodalitatum
I. A group or association, cultural, social, historical or political, created
by or involving
Nova Romans shall be considered officially a part of Nova Roma only by
official recognition/approval by the Republic. Any such group that wishes
official recognition or status within Nova Roma must make a formal
application for inclusion. Until such an application is placed and granted
by the Senate or through vote in any one of the Comitia, all such groups are
considered completely separate from Nova Roma.
II. The above clause is also binding to all Religious groups, organizations
and associations involving Nova Roma Citizens, with the exception that they
may only apply to and be approved by the Collegium Pontificum. This is in
accord with section IV of the Nova Roma constitution which places all
religious associations under the authority of the Collegium Pontificum.
II. Organizations applying for recognition by Nova Roma must present a formal
charter and outline of intent before the Senate or to one of the Comitiae (or
if a religious group to the Collegium Pontificum.)
II. The charter for any group, organization or association applying for
recognition within Nova Roma must include:
A. A statement of intent (what the organization is about, and what it
is trying to achieve.)
B. An action plan outlining how it intends to achieve its goals.
C. An outline of its internal organization, hierarchy and offices.
IV. A group, organization or association approved for official inclusion
into the infrastructure of Nova Roma must adhere to the Constitution and Laws
of Nova Roma. An application for official recognition is therefore considered
a binding statement of intent to be governed by Nova Roma's laws,
constitution and legal government.
Item III - Lex Cassia Iunia de Iusiurando
"The Lex Iunia Iusiurando is hereby amended so that the following
preface will be placed before the Oath of Office:
The Lex Iunia Iusiurando is hereby enacted to put in place an Oath of
Office for any citizen assuming any magistracy of Nova Roma, whether
elected or appointed.
The following oath must be taken publicly in the major public forums
of Nova Roma before someone elected or appointed to any magistracy
can assume his or her office. It must be taken on the day, or as
soon as possible afterwards, that the office is to be assumed. The
office shall be considered vacant until the oath is taken.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Consul
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] COMITIA CENTURIATA - (Final Addendum) |
| From: |
cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:30:37 EST |
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Salvete Omnes,
One final addendum to the Comitia Centuriata vote. The items should have
legal titles, so the official title for Agenda Item I should be:
> Item 1 - Lex Cassia Octavia de Ratione Comitiorum Centuriatorum
>
I ask that this title be used for the first agenda item during the official
vote in the Cista. My apologies for hitting the 'send' key before adding
this!
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Consul
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Tribune's Report of Senate Vote |
| From: |
Fortunatus <labienus@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:01:13 -0600 |
|
Tribunus Plebis T Labienus Fortunatus Quiritibus SPD
The Senate has finished its latest session, and the votes have been
tallied. Once again, I ask each Senator who voted to make sure that I
have correctly reported his vote and any comments he may have made.
Additionally, I would like to apologize for the tardiness of this
report, which should have been issued yesterday. Unfortunately,
Iuppiter's fulminations and a series of power outages prevented me from
performing my duty in a timely manner.
Finally, note that the agenda changed slightly during the Senate's
debates. I am therefore reproducing the final agenda below. The
changes were minor and reasonable, and were not objected to by any Senator.
The following 15 Senatores cast votes. They are referred to below by
their initials, and are listed in alphabetical order by nomen.
Patricia Cassia (PC)
Marcus Cassius Julianus (MCJ)
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix (LCSF)
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus (LEC)
Quintus Fabius Maximus (QFM)
Caius Flavius Diocletianus (CFD)
Antonius Gryllus Graecus (AGG)
Alexander Iulius Caesar Probus Macedonius (AICPM)
Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus (DIPI)
Titus Labienus Fortunatus (TLF)
Gaius Marius Merullus (CMM)
Marcus Octavius Germanicus (MOG)
Lucius Sergius Australicus Obstinatus (LSAO)
Gaius Tullius Triumphius Cicero (GTTC)
Flavius Vedius Germanicus (FVG)
The following Senatores did not vote.
Marcus Iunius Iulianus
Minervina Iucundia Flavia
Marcus Minucius Audens
"UTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an item, "ANTIQUO" is a vote
against, and "ABSTINEO" is an abstention.
***ITEM I: Diplomatic recognition of the Kingdom of TorHavn
Whereas, the micronation known as the Kingdom of TorHavn shares with
Nova Roma a commitment to seriousness of purpose, aspires to] true
sovereignty, and exhibits a stability of action and activity, Nova Roma
hereby grants official recognition to the Kingdom of] TorHavn as a
sovereign entity and equal in the world community.
*FAILED* 1 FOR, 10 AGAINST, 4 ABSTENTIONS
PC ANTIQUO (No). I would like to again encourage that we develop a
set of official criteria for evaluating these applications, and will
continue to vote against them until I have some standards to go by.
MCJ ABSTINEO I will be happy to consider this issue again when the
policy of Nova Roma regarding such issues has been updated.
LCSF ABSTINEO
LEC ANTIQUO
QFM ANTIQUO In so far as recognition of a fellow micronation reflects
also on Nova Roma, and it's ideals, TorHavn does not IMO deserve
recognition from us at this time.
CFD ANTIQUO
AGG ANTIQUO
AICPM ANTIQUO A recognition of any micro or macronation is a very
serious act. The positive vote require a detail knowkledge on goals and
structure of this kingdom. Actually we could always recognize them
later. So, to ballance the positive votes of colleagues Senators I
shall vote "No".
DIPI ANTIQUO I would favor granting some recognition to Torhaven at
some point once we establish a stricter system for judging other
micronations. Up until this point we have had a high bar for other
micronations to reach--essentially we require a high level of
seriousness comparable to ours. Torhaven comes nowhere near to reaching
that level of seriousness. They are tiny (despite being just a year
younger than us), have a vague focus as to what they stand for and have
obscure goals. They do aspire and claim to be serious however and I
would favor at some point granting them a type of lesser reconition
under a tiered system of foreign relations once we put that policy in
place.
TLF ANTIQUO
CMM ANTIQUO
MOG ABSTINEO; only because we should first establish a formal policy
and set of criteria for evaluating micronations. I certainly have
nothing against TorHavn, and hope to recognize them in the future.
LSAO ABSTINEO I think that the suggestion to update our policy on
recognition of other micronational entities before proceeding with this
question, is a wise one.
GTTC ANTIQUO
FVG UTI ROGAS TorHavn has agreed to mutual recognition pending our own
approval of the measure.
***ITEM II: Appointment of Governor of Provincia Venedia
Marcus Apollonius Formosanus is hereby appointed propraetor of provincia
Venedia.
*FAILED* 3 FOR, 11 AGAINST, 1 ABSTENTION
PC ANTIQUO (No). Formosanus has many fine qualities, but I do not
believe he has demonstrated the dignitas necessary for a governor.
MCJ ANTIQUO
LCSF ANTIQUO
LEC ANTIQUO
QFM ANTIQUO I had mixed feelings about this. Nevertheless I'm am not
entirely convinced Marcus Apollonius is only on his best behavior to get
this seat. I need to see a sustained effort, with no gain before I'm
sure he's changed.
CFD UTI ROGAS I´m sure that this should be done due to the reasons I
mentioned in this august body.
AGG ANTIQUO Although I think Formosanus is a valuable citizen in other
aspects (namely for the promotion of Latin language), I don't think he
can serve well our Respublica as governor.
AICPM ABSTINEO I do remember how we were discussing whether to put this
issue to vote or to reject the candidacy of Formosanus. I have tempt
you to put it into Senate vote. On the other hand I also remember that I
have promised to abstain from voting "Yes".
DIPI ANTIQUO Formosanus has not shown the goodwill to work with the
magistrates and the Senate for the good of Nova Roma.
TLF UTI ROGAS The cives Venediae have unanimously endorsed M
Apollonius. And, while there has been substantial friction between him
and many members of this Senate, I believe that he will do his best to
foster an active provincia if appointed. Active provinciae are
immensely important to the Respublica, as they, more than anything else,
will foster a committed and active citizenry that goes beyond the
Internet. This is more important than personal and political
differences of opinion. And, should we absolutely fail to be able to
work with each other, this body can remove him from the office at any time.
CMM ANTIQUO I vote no. I believe that Formosanus is the strongest
Latinist in Nova Roma, and has a great deal to contribute to Nova Roma.
I cannot, however, see fit to appointing him to such a vital position
given his history of of raising strife and fomenting discontent against
the Senate and magistrates.
MOG ANTIQUO
LSAO ANTIQUO I am not convinced that M. Apollonius Formosanus has in
mind the best interests of Nova Roma as a Roman Republic. His zeal for
modernizing it it still worries me.
GTTC UTI ROGAS
FVG ANTIQUO
***ITEM III: Official Language Policy
I. Due to the increasingly intermacronational nature of the Citizenship
of Nova Roma, it has become necessary for the official language policy
of the Republic to be defined, in such a way that acknowledges our
historical antecedants, practical concerns, and] the sensibilities of
all of our Citizens. To that end, this Senatus Consultum is adopted.
II. Latin is hereby adopted as the official ceremonial language of Nova
Roma. As such, it shall be used in rites conducted by the curule
magistrates and appointed priests of Nova Roma on behalf of the entire
nation, as well as other circumstances where it may be deemed appropriate.
III. English is hereby adopted as the business language of Nova Roma's
central government. As such, it shall be used in official communications
from and day-to-day business conducted by the central government
(defined for purposes of this proviso as the Senate and non-provincial
magistrates). Other languages may be used in such communications where
deemed appropriate, but an English translation must accompany such
communications.
IV. The Curator Sermo shall have the authority to set language] policy
for those communications fora under his administration.
V. This policy does not effect in any way languages used in official or
unofficial provincial fora, fora maintained by official Sodalitates, or
private fora (including but not limited to email lists organized] by
private Citizens).
*PASSED* 15 FOR, 0 AGAINST, 0 ABSTENTIONS
PC UTI ROGAS (yes). This is a very sensible policy and I thank
Merullus for drafting it.
MCJ UTI ROGAS
LCSF UTI ROGAS
LEC UTI ROGAS
QFM UTI ROGAS Marius explained the reasons quite eloquently
CFD UTI ROGAS
AGG UTI ROGAS Although I think that magistrates and senators should
make an effort to learn the basics of Latin.
AICPM UTI ROGAS
DIPI UTI ROGAS A sound idea that has my wholehearted support.
TLF UTI ROGAS
CMM UTI ROGAS I vote yes. The value of this consultum in my view is
its recognition of Latin as official ceremonial language, which I
believe can only help us in the long run.
MOG UTI ROGAS (MOG originally voted ANTIQUO; the words "de facto" are
incorrect. Once this is removed I will vote "yes".)
LSAO UTI ROGAS
GTTC UTI ROGAS
FVG UTI ROGAS
***Item IV - Age Exemption for Sextus Apollonius Draco
Sextus Apollonius Draco has placed a second request before this body to
be granted an age exemption to stand as a magisterial candidate in the
upcoming elections. Does the Senate Grant his request? (Requires a 2/3
majority to pass.)
*PASSED* 15 FOR, 0 AGAINST, 0 ABSTENTIONS
PC UTI ROGAS (yes). Draco has established a record of service to Nova
Roma and I believe he is qualified to run for office.
MCJ UTI ROGAS I believe that Draco is well deserving of this chance to
stand as a candidate, and would do a fine job if elected.
LCSF UTI ROGAS
LEC UTI ROGAS
QFM UTI ROGAS I believe based on the maturity shown in his ducussions,
he is ready.
CFD UTI ROGAS
AGG UTI ROGAS
AICPM UTI ROGAS The initiative on serving the Republic may to
be supported
DIPI UTI ROGAS Draco has consistently put the future of Nova Roma ahead
of any personal agenda and has a seriousness beyond his years.
TLF UTI ROGAS If there's anyone who deserves such an exemption, it's
Sextus Apollonius.
CMM UTI ROGAS
MOG UTI ROGAS No one is more deserving. He has proved his
commitment time and time again.
LSAO UTI ROGAS I think it is time for the Republic to avail itself of
S. Apollonius' intelligence and enthusiasm.
GTTC UTI ROGAS
FVG UTI ROGAS
***Item V - Age Exemption for Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix has placed a request before this body to be
granted an age exemption to stand as a magisterial candidate in the
upcoming elections. Does the Senate grant this request? (Requires a 2/3
majority to pass.)
*PASSED* 11 FOR, 2 AGAINST, 2 ABSTENTIONS
PC ANTIQUO (no). While Tiberius Apollonius seems to have some
excellent ideas, I would prefer to see him serve NR in some other
position before judging his fitness for office.
MCJ UTI ROGAS Although this is Tiberius Appolonius Cicatrix' fist
application for age exemption, he seems to have both an excellent
background and good ideas for his hoped-for position as aedilis plebis.
LCSF UTI ROGAS
LEC UTI ROGAS
QFM ABSTINEO
CFD UTI ROGAS
AGG UTI ROGAS
AICPM UTI ROGAS for the same reasons as above.
DIPI UTI ROGAS
TLF UTI ROGAS
CMM UTI ROGAS
MOG ABSTINEO; I really don't know anything about him.
LSAO UTI ROGAS I vote for an exemption for Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix.
GTTC UTI ROGAS
FVG ANTIQUO
***Item VI - The Senate appoints Caius Puteus Germanicus as Rogator to
replace C. Moravius, who has recently resigned.
*PASSED* 15 FOR, 0 AGAINST, 0 ABSTENTIONS
PC UTI ROGAS (yes).
MCJ UTI ROGAS
LCSF UTI ROGAS
LEC UTI ROGAS
QFM UTI ROGAS
CFD UTI ROGAS
AGG UTI ROGAS
AICPM UTI ROGAS
DIPI UTI ROGAS
TLF UTI ROGAS
CMM UTI ROGAS
MOG UTI ROGAS
LSAO UTI ROGAS I am in favor of appointing a replacement. There appears
to be at least one volunteer.
GTTC UTI ROGAS
FVG UTI ROGAS
***Item VII - Appointment of Governor of Provincia Lacus Magni M.
Scipiadus Scipio Africanus is hearby appointed as propraetor of Lacus
Magni on January 1st, at the end of the current Praetor's term.
*PASSED* 15 FOR, 0 AGAINST, 0 ABSTENTIONS
PC UTI ROGAS (yes). I am not familiar with Africanus, but his
recommendation by Octavius must serve as a powerful argument in his favor.
MCJ UTI ROGAS
LCSF UTI ROGAS
LEC UTI ROGAS
QFM UTI ROGAS
CFD UTI ROGAS
AGG UTI ROGAS
AICPM UTI ROGAS
DIPI UTI ROGAS
TLF UTI ROGAS
CMM UTI ROGAS (I think that we should address and refer to this
citizen as M Scipio Africanus, as he signed his letter to the Senate)
MOG UTI ROGAS
LSAO UTI ROGAS M. Scipiadus appears qualified, and M. Octavius'
recommendation carries much weight.
GTTC UTI ROGAS
FVG UTI ROGAS
Valete
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Gens reduction/ideas? |
| From: |
"Valerie Hartzer" <valsylph@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:58:22 -0500 |
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Salvete Omnes,
On the subject of Gentes reduction , especailly in regards to taxing to keep
a Gens active I have only become a citizen in late September at which time I
became Materfamilias of Gens Valeria Secunda. My Gens has only been active
for a little over a month. I haven't even had time to get my Gens web page
up yet! And now lets add a tax. And if said tax is going to be large enough
to divide among all of the members of a Gens does that mean it would be so
large that a Gens like mine which at present is a Gens of 1 would be unable
to bear the burden of the tax? That would favor the rich and it would mean
only the wealthy and the very popular could afford to administer a gens.
Given that the majority of the Roman people were VERY POOR plebians this
would fly in the face of Ancient Roman values. Now scaling such a tax to a
per member fee would eliminate the worst of this but that would depend on
what the tax formula for Nova Roma actually is. Like Prima Ritulia Noctua I
haven't seen anything cohesive on whether the tax is a percentage of income
or a small flat fee per person, etc. I may not be able to bear the tax
burden if it ends up as stiff as a macronational tax fee is (a third of our
household income), and I can't support the addition of new taxes until I
KNOW what the tax burden I have already committed to is.
Bene vale,
Lucia Valeria Secunda Ianuaria
"Try to enjoy the great festival of life with other men"
Epictetus
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sybil Leek" <DolanAp@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 6:04 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Gens reduction/ideas?
> >Message: 9
> > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:51:22 -0000
> > From: "Jozef Duhacek" <coriolanus@-------->
> >Subject: Re: Gens reduction/ideas?
>
>
> Salve Gaius Marcius Coriolanus
>
> >I guess that's pretty good idea, but it needs to be improved.
>
> Agreed it was an idea and they always need improvement to be viable.
>
> >1. The gens registration fee should vary on number of members. Did
> >you mean periodic registration just one fee?
>
> I am not sure I agree with you on a variable gens member's fee but it
might
> be possible if a paterfamilias/materfamilias can afford the fee or work
out
> an internal gens member fee to supplement the registration fee. I also
meant
> an annual fixed fee for the gens registration, partly to show that the
gens
> are still active. Also if I have an inactive member in my gens, as its
head,
> I would rather not be paying for a member who is not there. However, if I
> were paying a fixed fee for my gens name to be kept current I personally
> would be more likely to pay that fee instead of by number of members that
> may not be active or lost, and deal with my internal house affairs as I
see
> fit.
>
> >2. I don't know if taxes payed to nr should be composed as you've
> >desribed. The fixed fee equal for each cititizen is more democratic
> >and I see it better.
>
> Yes, I agree with you about a fixed fee for all being more equal. The tax
> idea was just another way of possible thinking about the situation at
hand.
>
> >3. Remember that taxation in nr in it's begining will not be
> >mandatory for all (as I know). It's based on idea pay and you'll get
> >more than no payer.
>
> Personally I am a bit confused about the whole tax idea as it stands in
NR.
> I am not sure if it is a fee, a percentage of my income, a volunteer
> donation to NR, or if I have to pay the tax to stay a current citizen in
NR.
> I am also unclear on what the benefits are for me, if and when, I pay it.
If
> you understand the tax in NR or know a web page dealing with this mandate
I
> would really prefer to know more before I act on it in any way.
>
> >And I don't know if we really need tu reduce number of gens. Maybe it
> >will be good to stop new gens creation until it will be really
> >necessary. We hope that nr will evolve forth and number of cives will
> >increase. Let them opportunity to pick gens they like.
>
> I saw a suggestion in another comment that seemed like it might be viable
> for reducing or adding to current gens'. I believe it had to do with
> familiae adoption into current gens'.
>
> Prima Ritulia Nocta
> Materfamilias Gentis Ritulia
>
>
> >
> >--- In novaroma@--------, "S-------- Leek" <DolanAp@h...> wrote:
> > > Salve Omnes,
> > >
> > > Both have good points to the discussion concerning gens and taxes.
> >An idea
> > > concerning both points might be such:
> > >
> > > Per year:
> > > A membership fee for citizenship: $10.00
> > > A gens registration fee: $10.00 or $15.00
> > > A tax per gens member: $1.00 to $5.00
> > >
> > > An example in application thus:
> > > New citizen with no gens affiliation: $10.00 (maintains general
> >operating
> > > fund, no use privilege of funds for events)
> > > New citizen in a preexisting gens: $10.00 + tax = (acknowledgment
> >of
> > > support)
> > > Gens head: $10.00 (for self) + $10.00 (for status of gens) + tax =
> >X$ (for
> > > each citizen in gens) = (maintains general fund, and use of funds,
> >plus
> > > acknowledgment of support)
> > >
> > > I understand that we as a nation have a need for a general use fund
> >for
> > > basic operations of Nova Roma (maintaining our web site, paying for
> >basic
> > > fees associated with running the organization of the nation etc.).
> >However,
> > > I also believe that we need to do more than just maintain our group
> >with
> > > money and volunteered time. We need to encourage recognition and
> >exposure
> > > for our nation and create support for our nation by creating
> >gatherings at
> > > which our citizens can meet face to face without creating a
> >financial burden
> > > on individuals within our group.
> > >
> > > Hence, we need a general fund to maintain the nation as a whole for
> >whatever
> > > financial bills we have to pay as a group. However, we also need a
> >pool of
> > > funds that can be drawn on to create and maintain group recognition
> >without
> > > burdening any single individual within our nation. Perhaps, a
> >congregate
> > > fund could be created which citizen or gens' (or preferably a
> >governor or
> > > other Nova Roman representative) can drawn on to host general
> >gatherings for
> > > citizens to meet at face to face without financially burdening the
> > > individual organizing the event/meeting.
> > >
> > > Just a few thoughts Prima Nocta Ritualia
> >
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] COMITIA CENTURIATA - Finalized Agenda & Schedule |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@--------> |
| Date: |
16 Nov 2001 10:44:59 -0200 |
|
> VOTE AGENDA
> 3. "A simple majority" is hereby defined as "one half of the number
> of centuries casting votes, plus one". Abstentions are not considered
> votes, and a century in which all voters abstained shall not be counted
> toward this total.
Salvete,
Since this is the fianl draft, I must encourage all my fellow citizens
to vote AGAINST this law which instaurs a minority government and
destroys our democracy.
It is both anti-historic and anti-democratic not recognizing the right
for a citizen to vote against a law without voting against the person
that proposes it.
Vale,
Manius Villius Limitanus.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Renuntatio Propraetoricium IX about the Provincial Annual Report |
| From: |
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:55:48 +0100 |
|
Ex Officio Propraetoris Thulae
Renuntatio Propraetoricium IX about the Provincial Annual Report of
Provincia Thule for the year 2001 and the humble request to be given the
honor to continue as Propraetor Thules
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, Propraetor Thules
Illustrus Consuls, Censors, Senators, Senatus Responsorum and Magistrates,
Honorable Citizens of Thule Provincia, and Honorable Citizens of Nova Roma;
I humbly ask You to take this "Year 2001 Provincial Annual Report for
Provincia Thule" under consideration. This report reflects the activity
undertaken by me in association with my Cohors Propraetoris (Provincial
Staff), in the first year of my Administration of Provincia Thule (4th of
April and 17th of November). This is my third report since my appointment
and some things have changed since my 100 days Report (12th of July).
I will here state how I see the situation in Provincia Thule as of now and
how I will act if I will be prorouged in the office as Propraetor Thules.
I will continue to lead the Provincia by appointing active members of my
Cohors Propraetoris (Provincial Staff) and delegate tasks as much as
possible to them. Until now my Cohors Propraetoris has proven to be both
loyal and able. There is however one Legatus that have "disappeared", I
will take care of that issue according to the Provincial Regula.
I have published a Edictum Propraetoricium VIII about the Approved (by
"Consilium Provinciale Thules" (The
Provincial Council of Thule)) Plan for Activities for the organisation of
Thule 2754 - 2756 at the 15th of April. At the present time I will continue
the work to fullfill its requirements.
Quote from the Plan: "Due to the size of this undertaking to organise
Thule, the plan will be phased in order to progress forward incrementally
during more than 2 and a half years. In this section the activities that
will be undertaken during this whole period of organisation will be shown.
These activities do not constitute all we will attempt, and any further
input from citizens is strongly encouraged."
The following headings are taken from this Plan.
Face-to-face formal and informal gatherings at the local level.
We have still not had any Roman days as defined in Edictum Propraetoricium
XIV. But here at the Propraetorium (Savar) an uncountable number of
informal meetings and phone calls have been held. I have also had phone
contact with most of the Legates (living in other countries/Regiones) and a
flow of e-mail communication with them.
We will try to gather those who have an overall interest in Old Rome
As You may have understood the summer isn't the best time to organize
things in Thule. We have had some face-to face meetings in the
Propraetorium (Savar). During the autumn I have gathered four to six
persons around the board game "Republic of Rome" a couple of times, where a
couple of these persons have been citizens. The game has formed the
historical back-ground for the day and these gatherings have been quite a
success. We have also gathered three citizens and one sympathizer to a
Roman dinner (the 11th of November). We will try to continue with more
different meetings during the following year. As far as I understand there
has also been some informal meetings in Regio Norvegica.
What follows is a short list of the areas we are currently concentrating on
A. Web Site for Thule
A list of citizens in Thule:
This is done, but it has to be updated continuously.
Provincial Pages or sites for each of the four Regiones of Thule:
The Provincia site http://thule.novaroma.org/ was up after about two weeks.
The sites of Regio Finnica and Regio Suecica were up a few weeks later. The
site of Regio Norvegica is still under construction. In Regio Danica there
is, sad enough, no activity on the Regional level.
The establishment of the realtion to the Independent Legio VII "Res Publica":
The Independent Legio VII "Res Publica" is founded. It was our intention to
make this Legio a Provincial Legio, but that wasn't to be. The Provincia
has declared its friendship towards this Legio. I also plan to contact the
existing Legio in Regio Norvegica, this will be done during the coming year.
B. Recruitment
Our goals for actual numbers are to have 20 citizens for the entire
Provincia by the end of 2001:
In the Renuntatio Propraetoricium I about the state of the Provincia Thule
published 15th of April 2001. We could give an account of 12 citizens of
Nova Roma within Provincia Thule (Two of these were recruited by the newly
appointed Propraetor during the week before). Today we already have 23
citizens and have passed our goal for 2001 nearly six months too early.
This is very nice and we hope to continue to grow. Later in the autumn we
will set up new goals.
C. Finances
As we are starting the Provincia administration from scratch, all areas of
finance must be organised. We have made a budget for Jan. 2002 - Dec. 2002,
and submitted it to the Senate as was requested of all the Provinciae this
last fall.
D. Infrastructure for Thule
The plan we have for the Infrastructure of Thule will be used in order to
make the administration fill out, and to facilitate the Provincia
operations:
The foundations for this were laid down in the rather comprehensive Edictum
Propraetoricium VII about the Approved Regula (Charter) for the
Administration of Thule. The Propraetor has during the first more than
seven months published 31 Edicta and 9 Renuntationes (including this one).
The "Consilium Provinciale Thules" has held three Plena (meetings). The
Routines for these meetings have stabilized and most decisions are
discussed there, except appointments.
The Cohors Propraetoris (the staff of the Propraetor) ha grown since the
100 days report from 8 members to 11 at this time and consists of the
following positions and members:
GAIUS RUBELLIUS RUFUS - Legatus Regionis Norvegicae, Contubernalis
Provincia, Triumvir Novae Romae Academiae in Thule
TITUS CURIUS DANNICUS - Legatus Regionis Danicae, Praefectus Sermonis Thules
CAIUS CURIUS SATURNINUS - Legatus Regionis Finnicae, Procurator Novae Romae
Academiae in Thule, Praeses et Triumvir Novae Romae Academiae in Thule
VIBIUS MINUCIUS FALCO - Legatus Regionis Suecicae, Procurator ad Res
Internas Thules, Decemvir Coventus Informatoria Thules
TITUS OCTAVIUS PIUS - Senior Legatus, Praeco Aranei Thules, Decemvir
Coventus Informatoria Thules ("Outside" Thule: Scriba to the Curator
Araneum)
PUBLIUS CANDIDIANUS BOTHIUS - Prolegatus Regionis Islandica
GNAEUS SALIX ASTUR - Triumvir Novae Romae Academiae in Thule, Scriba ad Res
Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule. ("Outside" Thule: Legatus Externis
Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae)
CLAUDIA MAXIMA DEA - Procuratrix Informatoria Thules et Praeses et Decemvir
Conventus Informatoria Thules
EMILIA CURIA FINNICA - Scriba Araniae Academiae Thules
AULUS CORNELIUS SALLUST - Vicarius et Decemvir Coventus Informatoria Thules
TITUS LABIENUS FORTUNATUS Praeceptor ("Outside" Thule: Senator, Tribunus
Plebis)
E. Spread of Nova Roman Culture
This will be something that we will take care of during the autumn and next
spring. By gathering more people round games and food we have made a small
start.
F. The Grand opening of the Provincia of Thule
We had our Grand opening in August 2001, it wasn't really intended to be
such a big thing, but it could have been more of a success.
Other issues, not in the plan
Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
"The Academia of Thule for Ancient and Nova Roman studies"
The Tresviri Academia Novae Romae in Thule (The board of the Academia) has
had two Plena. I expect the Academia and its website to become fully
operational in the beginning of next the year. The Academia is to be a
Provincial (Thule) one and have no plans to become the sole Academia in
Thule. Although it will be open to all Novaromani. But the Academia is thus
fully prepared to cooperate with other Academias and educational
institutions within Nova Roma.
There is already a nucleus of an Academia staff of competent and
enthusiastic persons appointed, which form a part of my Cohors
Propraetoris. I must say that I have high hopes for the future of the
Academia with these persons in charge.
Contacts with other Governors:
I have been active in the newly founded "ColloquimProvincia list". I have
found it to be a rewarding experience and it has given me a lot. I expect
this organization to continue to work and develop.
Development of a Provincial Brochure:
This is in the hands of the Coventus Informatoria Thules, the Procuratrix
Informatoria Thules and Procurator ad Res Internas Thules and will be dealt
with during the following six months.
Develop a Provincial Outreach Program in accordance with Sodalitas Egressus:
This is also in the hands of the Procuratrix Informatoria Thules and
Procurator ad Res Internas Thules.
Final Comment
By this I conclude this "Provincial Annual Report of Provincia Thule for
the year 2001". Until now I have had at lot of administrative work to do. I
still have to do more of this kind of work: preparation for tyhe Academia
to get to work, get all Reiones to get a homepage and to function fully as
an administrative unit, one more Plena in the "Consilium Provinciale
Thules" this autumn, more face-to-face meetings following up of delegated
issues and just plain general work. But I still must say that it has been a
thrilling and rewarding work until today and I look forward to continue
this work.
THE HUMBLE REQUEST TO BE GIVEN THE HONOR TO CONTINUE AS PROPRAETOR THULES
I hereby humbly ask to be prorouged in my office as Propraetor of Provincia
Thule for the term of year 2002
Vale
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule
Accensus to Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Gens reduction/ideas? |
| From: |
"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:05:26 +0100 |
|
Salvete omnes,
It's been a while since I posted here, so forgive me if the ideas presented
have already been brought forward by others.
- On gens reduction, a good option might simply be to have people who want
to create new gentes pay a certain fee, while registration with an existing
gens would be for free. But I wouldn't be in favour of having a tax per
caput for gentes, not only would people like Censor Sulla be bankrupt by the
end of the year, it would also encourage people to form even more gentes.
- On the issue of taxation itself, while the amount of money is very low,
and there appear to be enough means of transport, there still hasn't been
enough attention for people unable to pay (as opposed to those unwilling to
pay), unless I've missed something out. Perhaps the Senate could draft an
addendum to their original SC on taxes that exempts certain groups of
people. I'd be greatly willing to assist in this.
Valete bene,
S. Apollonius Draco
"The Eyes of Truth are always watching you."
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Tribune's Report Addendum |
| From: |
Fortunatus <labienus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:37:59 -0600 |
|
Tribunus Plebis T Labienus Fortunatus Quiritibus SPD
In my latest report of Senate voting results, I listed M Minucius Audens
among those Senatores who had failed to cast a vote. This was
incorrect, as Senator Minucius did attempt to vote. Unfortunately, a
technical error somewhere between his keyboard and the Senate list
prevented his votes from reaching the Senate.
Valete
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Romans gathering in Burbank |
| From: |
"Hibernicus" <legioix@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:08:33 -0000 |
|
Legio IX Hispana will be drilling at Johnny Carson Park in Burbank, Sat Nov 17, noon.
Hibernicus
LEG IX HSPA
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] What this gov't needs.... |
| From: |
"Hibernicus" <legioix@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:10:03 -0000 |
|
.... is a good old fashioned Dictator.
Gaius "Take no prisoners" Hibernicus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] What this gov't needs.... |
| From: |
"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:16:36 +0100 |
|
> .... is a good old fashioned Dictator.
>
... to throw you in prison.
<evil grin>
Draco
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] What this gov't needs.... |
| From: |
Piparskeggr - Venator <catamount_grange@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:34:36 -0600 |
|
Avete,
Hibernicus wrote:
>
> .... is a good old fashioned Dictator.
>
> Gaius "Take no prisoners" Hibernicus
>
.... a five sesterce amphora of Falernian.
--
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In Amicus sub Fidelis
- Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
Cives Nova Romana et Paterfamilias
Domus Familias
http://www.geocities.com/gens_ulleria/index.html
Aut mulsum aut bellum!
(either mead, or war!)
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] COMITIA CENTURIATA - Finalized Agenda & Schedule |
| From: |
"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:09:28 -0500 |
|
Salve,
> Since this is the fianl draft, I must encourage all my fellow citizens
> to vote AGAINST this law>>
I, on the other hand, would call for all reasonable Nova Romans to
wholeheartedly support this law.
>>which instaurs a minority government and destroys our democracy.>>
On the contrary. Not counting abstentions as votes allows us to be free
from the apathy we have seen in past votes. While some few may exercise
their right to vote an abstention as some form of political protest, the
vast majority of our cives simply do not even bother to vote at all. To
count all those who cannot be bothered to vote as a "no" would hold the rest
of us hostage to their sad and shameful lack of concern for this nation.
> It is both anti-historic and anti-democratic not recognizing the right for
a citizen to vote against a law without voting against the person that
proposes it.>>
I guess my only comment to this is that I *believe* that most people vote
for or against a law based on whether or not they feel that law is good and
just and beneficial to our nation. The notion that some people would vote
against a proposal simply because they dislike the *person* who authored it
seems rather trivial to me. Laws should be judged on their own merits, in
my opinion, not rejected due to some petty personal squabble with the
author. The very idea that someone would reject a law if Citizen A puts it
forth but support it if Citizen B put it forth seems, well, just plain silly
to me.
My fellow citizens, I implore you to think clearly and decide for yourselves
whether or not you think it is fair for those who abstain from voting to
hold sway over the voices of those of us who actually take the time to make
a decision.
Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
>
> Vale,
>
> Manius Villius Limitanus.
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] new/old member question |
| From: |
"Sybil Leek" <PrimaRituliaNocta@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:12:53 -0800 |
|
Salve Rufus Iulius Palaeologus,
Thank you very much Rufus Palaeologus, I will go to the list and adjust it.
You have been a great help to me :)
Vale Prima Nocta
>Ave, Ritulia,
>
>I'm jumping in to answer this, although you did direct the question
>to our good censor Sulla. This can be found by clicking on the option
>Edit My Membership (near the top of the screen when you're in a
>list) - go to Message Delivery, then select Daily Journal. It's a
>Yahoo Groups setting that defaults to Individual Messages when you
>first sign up.
>
>Hope that helps,
>
>Rufus Iulius Palaeologus
>
>--- In novaroma@--------, "S-------- Leek" <PrimaRituliaNocta@h...> wrote:
> > Salve Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> >
> > Welcome back, I hope life is good for you. I just wanted to ask a
>question
> > about the list. I recently changed my email address and re-reged to
>the NR
> > mailing list. On my old account I would receive all of the posts in
>one
> > message, now I receive them individually. Did I miss a setting
>somewhere? I
> > rather prefer getting the posts all in one message. Would you
>perhaps know
> > how I can do that again? Or has the style in which massages are
>sent been
> > changed?
> >
> > Vale Prima Ritulia Nocta
> >
> > >Avete,
> > >
> > >As Censor, I usually welcome all new members to NR privately via
> > >correspondence. However, I have not been able to while I was away
>from
> > >my home. So I would just like to take this brief time to welcome
>all
> > >new members to Nova Roma. I hope all of your goals and your
>desires
> > >will be satisfied in your involvement in NR. If you have any
>questions
> > >please feel free to contact me and I would be happy to assist you
>in any
> > >way I can.
> > >
> > >Respectfully,
> > >
> > >Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> >
> >
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] COMITIA CENTURIATA - Finalized Agenda & Schedule |
| From: |
Michel Loos <loos@--------> |
| Date: |
16 Nov 2001 21:17:46 -0200 |
|
On Fri, 2001-11-16 at 21:09, JusticeCMO wrote:
> Salve,
>
> > Since this is the fianl draft, I must encourage all my fellow citizens
> > to vote AGAINST this law>>
>
> I, on the other hand, would call for all reasonable Nova Romans to
> wholeheartedly support this law.
>
> >>which instaurs a minority government and destroys our democracy.>>
>
> On the contrary. Not counting abstentions as votes allows us to be free
> from the apathy we have seen in past votes. While some few may exercise
> their right to vote an abstention as some form of political protest, the
> vast majority of our cives simply do not even bother to vote at all. To
> count all those who cannot be bothered to vote as a "no" would hold the rest
> of us hostage to their sad and shameful lack of concern for this nation.
>
Seems we do not speak of the same thing. The citizen that does not
bother to vote should not trouble the good funtionning of the
institutions, that why I first supported that new law.
Now this final draft will not count the vote of the citizen who votes in
all conciensce : "I abstain", for example because all canditates seem
equally evil to him. This is inacceptable in any democracy.
> > It is both anti-historic and anti-democratic not recognizing the right for
> a citizen to vote against a law without voting against the person that
> proposes it.>>
>
> I guess my only comment to this is that I *believe* that most people vote
> for or against a law based on whether or not they feel that law is good and
> just and beneficial to our nation. The notion that some people would vote
> against a proposal simply because they dislike the *person* who authored it
> seems rather trivial to me. Laws should be judged on their own merits, in
> my opinion, not rejected due to some petty personal squabble with the
> author. The very idea that someone would reject a law if Citizen A puts it
> forth but support it if Citizen B put it forth seems, well, just plain silly
> to me.
>
This is normal procedure in every democratic multi-party parliament.
> My fellow citizens, I implore you to think clearly and decide for yourselves
> whether or not you think it is fair for those who abstain from voting to
> hold sway over the voices of those of us who actually take the time to make
> a decision.
>
Think clearly if it is fair to deprive the citizen who votes "I abstain"
of his vote.
Manius Villius Limitanus
> Vale,
> Priscilla Vedia Serena
>
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Manius Villius Limitanus.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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