| Subject: |
[novaroma] A Declaration of Intentions |
| From: |
Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:04:26 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete Quirites.
Since I presented my candidacy to the tribunate, I have been asked
several times and by different citizens to post a declaration of
intentions. I consider this petition pretty reasonable, so here it is;
this is what I intend to do if I get elected for the tirbunate.
I. I will defend the constitution of Nova Roma and the constitutional
rights of the citizens of Nova Roma. As I have explained on other
occasions, I intend to use the tribunician veto only as a last resort.
I will try to discuss, negotiate, and even beg, before using that last
resort. But I will not hesitate to use it, if no other solution can be
obtained and if the constitution or the constitutional rights of our
citizens are clearly in danger.
II. I will try to negotiate, with the consuls elected this year, a
continuation of the efforts initiated by my predecessor, T. Labienus
Fortunatus (whose term in office I regard as an example), and our
current consul Flavius Vedius Germanicus, a reform of the tribunate
that will both reinstaurate its traditional duties and responsabilities
and bring more sense to the tribunate and to the Comitia Plebis
Tributa.
III. I will always be ready to help any of our citizens in their
relations with the magistrates as a mediator, with a special interest
on our plebeian citizens.
IV. I will try to propose new ways to increase the level of
participation of our citizenry; especially of the plebeians.
V. I will put all my effort to cooperate with our magistrates to build
a greater, stronger and healthier Nova Roma.
If any of you has any questions or comments, please do not hesitate to
express them. I will be more than happy to clear any doubts.
=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule.
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Declaration of Candidacy for Aediles Curules |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:58:05 -0500 |
|
DECLARATION OF CANDIDACY
AMULIUS CLAUDIUS PETRUS
FOR AEDILES CURULES
Salvete cives et amici,
I come before you today to declare myself as a candidate for the office of
Aediles Curules.
Since my first days as a citizen of Nova Roma, I have attempted to expand
our community and the Roman influence in the world. One example of my
efforts is the provincial website of Canada Orientalis
(http://www.freehost.nu/members/canorien).
I designed and I currently maintain this site, and it is always promptly
updated upon request of Propraetrix Pompeia Cornelia. Because of my
commitment and dedication to my province, I have also recently been given
the honour of being a Legatus in the provincia Canada Orientalis.
I also acknowledge the importance of my Roman family, mine being gens
Claudia. This commitment is expressed by my dedication to my gens and mater
through the Gens Claudia website I designed and currently maintain.
The office of Aediles Curules holds much opportunity. Currently not much has
been done regularly by those who hold this office. I hope to change this. I
strongly believe Nova Roma based entertainment can build a strong
nation-wide bond between citizens. It can also strengthen our community and
move us forward great strides towards our goals.
I am experienced in internet development and if elected, I will apply these
skills to Nova Roma. Currently we are mostly an internet based organisation.
The internet links us together and we should embrace this fact in our
entertainment. I have plans that could make this a reality.
Our market day chats hold a large opportunity for real time conversations on
a frequent bases, although our current chat room can be improved and made
more user friendly, and thus, increasing participants on market days. If
elected, I will look seriously into having a real time based chat room as an
option to our current slow HTML chat room.
I will also offer aide to all those that are interested in forming
gatherings in there local areas. This could be in the form of advertising
gatherings at NovaRoma.org or just getting you in contact with other helpful
officials. I also hope to have my own organised gathering in Quebec at the
Museum of Civilisation or somewhere in Ontario, possibly including a visit
to the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto.
Although, I also realise that not all citizens are in the position to attend
gatherings. I strongly believe these citizens should also experience the
games. Using the internet these games could be organised with the form of
contests. I also hope to design an interactive shockwave programmed version
of the Roman board game of Latrunculi. This is a game similar to the modern
game of chess and it is thought to have many links to its origins.
Fellow citizens, I am just itching to get the chance to apply these
additions and many others to our nation. If given the opportunity Nova Roma
will excel culturally in the form of entertainment, and newly formed
friendships between citizens. Because of this, I hope to be given the chance
and honour to take up the office of Aediles Curules for the benefit of our
res publica Nova Roma.
"Quamquam cupido sis delictum ab sui crebro sum mater ab vitualis"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Candidate for Aediles Curules
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia
Canada Orientalis Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/canorien
Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: [NovaRomaAnnounce] DECLARATION OF CANDIDACY 2755 AUC |
| From: |
Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:10:21 -0500 |
|
Salvete cives et amici,
I Wish to publicly show my support for Pompeia Cornelia Strabo in her
declaration of candidacy. I have had the privilege of working with her on
different provincial tasks. From these experiences with this citizen she has
always been a friendly, and very dedicated leader. I am very glad to see her
running for this position. It would be to the ultimate benefit for Nova Roma
to have her as our Praetor Urbanus.
"Quamquam cupido sis delictum ab sui crebro sum mater ab vitualis"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"
--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Candidate for Aediles Curules
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia
Canada Orientalis Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/canorien
Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: [ReligioRomana] Graecus-Cassius Religio discussion (long) |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Nov 2001 05:08:25 -0000 |
|
Salvete;
As my name has been brought up (or perhaps "dragged through the mud"
might be a better phrase), I find I must comment on a few things that
have transpired in this exchange.
--- In novaroma@--------, "Antonio Grilo" <amg@c...> wrote:
>
> Graecus:
> Then Augur Germanicus should know that according to the Augural
Law, no
> auspices are taken before convening the Senate. Only the Comitia
require
> that procedure.
Indeed. That is what I get for relying on secondary sources such
as "The Dictionary of Roman Religion" which, on p. 24, states "The
auspices were taken before any event,such as a voyage, battle or
meeting of the Senate."
> Secondly, I wonder how the auspices were taken as I saw no
> posting about this. Did Consul Germanicus used the 'tripudium'? Did
he
> observe some eagle on his left? In ancient times the auspices were
public
> and taken in the presence of the citizens. While this is impossible
to
> implement at the moment, at least a posting describing the events
would be
> greatly appreciated.
You will, however, note that in almost all cases when I called a vote
of one of the comitia, I did indeed include the phrase "and the
auspices having been consulted and been found favorable" or some
equivalent wording. When that wording was not included, it was just
an oversight, not an indication that the auspices were, in fact,
taken.
> Graecus:
> Frankly no. I think that the MTR rites are the only ones that
deserve being
> retrieved. The others must only be improved (mine included of
course).
Perhaps you would be willing to replace the MTR rites with other,
more accurate, rituals of your own composition?
I must confess, your attack on me is most bewildering (not to mention
personally distressing), considering we share similar views on
historical reconstructionism. Nothing like an election to let one
know who one's friends really are...
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Graecus-Cassius Religio discussion (long) |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Nov 2001 05:18:37 -0000 |
|
Salvete;
--- In novaroma@--------, cassius622@a... wrote:
>
> >Graecus:
> > And has someone, already offered to research and recover as much
as possible
> > the Libri Augurales and its rules of government, calling of
comitia and
> > elections, etc., in other words the Augural Law?
>
> Cassius:
> Certainly some of this work has been ongoing by our Augurs
themselves.
> (Although this has been hampered over the last couple of years by
two Augurs
> quitting Citizenship entirely, thereby *halving* our College of
Augurs.) No
> doubt more work needs to be done in regard to this subject, as is
needed in
> ALL areas of the Religio Romana as it continues to grow.
At the risk of speaking for my fellow Augur, Cincinnatus, we have in
fact secured a copy of "Roman Augury and Etruscan Divination", which
is in essence a compillation of all ancient sources on the subject.
We are in the midst of translating the work from the original German
(not to mention the original sources in Latin), and have been for
some time. The work is quite slow going, of course, but it continues.
As this is the first I have heard from Pontiff Graecus regarding any
dissatisfaction with the progress of the Collegium Augurum in
recovering the ancient Ars Argurum, I hadn't thought that he wanted
to receive reports on our progress. If he believes this to be
helpful, it could be arranged...
> Cassius:
> And I will happily point out here, as I did in the Collegium, that
our own
> Priesthoods section of the Nova Roma website very clearly holds
open a vacant
> position for a Priesthood of Bacchus at:
> http://www.novaroma.org/religio_romana/priests_and_priesthoods.html
>
> I believe that particular listing has been in Nova Roma since day
one, and
> was put in by Flavius Vedius Germanicus when the original website
was
> created. No wonder someone applied for it!
Indeed. That came from the "Dictionary of Roman Religion", p. 160,
where a variety of foreign cults are listed under the entry
for "mystery religions". If Graecus believes the page needs updating,
then he should submit some updates...
Valete,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul, Senator, Augur, et Sodalitatus Fetiale
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Declaration: M. Octavius for Curator Araneum |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Nov 2001 07:58:10 -0600 (CST) |
|
ante diem IX Kal. DECEMBER MMDCCLIV auc.
M. Octavius Germanicus Omnibus Civibus Nova Romae Salutem Plurinam Dicit,
I, Marcus Octavius Germanicus, Curator Araneum for the year MMDCCLIV,
Curule Aedile and Scribe to the Curator Araneum the previous year, now
declare my candidacy for re-election as CURATOR ARANEUM.
For the last 18 months, I have hosted the NovaRoma.org web site on my
server. During this time, I have built several useful tools and
applications on that site:
* The dynamic Album Civium and Album Gentium, which display citizen and
gens information, including "personal profile pages" that list
positions held, contact information, and include photographs.
* The Senate and Magistrates pages, greatly improved in appearance
over the previous versions.
* The Censors' tools used to maintain the citizen database and to assign
centuries and tribes.
* The Century Point Calculator, allowing you to see where your (or any
other citizen's) century points come from, and to ensure correctness.
* The new citizen application form, which allows selection of a gens
from a list and generates mail to the censores and paterfamilias
automatically;
* The voting system, which displays the issues or candidates, validates
voter code and sends mail to the Rogatores.
* The new chat area, which replaced an insecure third party chat that
was prone to snooping and spoofing.
* The new calendar, which displays upcoming events, labels each date
according to its historical type (dies comitalis, nefastus, etc.),
and displays dates in proper Roman form, offset from Kalends, Nones, Ides.
* The login and editor features, enabling citizens to select a password
(and reset it in a secure manner if forgotten), and after having logged
in, edit their personal or gens information, approve new gens applicants,
or enter the chat.
* I have also performed the more routine work of the Curator: fixing broken
links; maintaining the Macellum and sponsored legion pages; adding new
laws to the Tabularium; etc.
* One week ago I performed a significant redesign of the site, with
top-of-screen banners that incorporate the words "Nova Roma" and our
flag, graphical subsection headings, and a new background image throughout
the site. I will updating the remaining pages to conform to this new
style throughout the next month.
I intend to continue this work. My next project (already underway) is
an editing tool that will allow citizens to insert events into the
calendar (currently I do this directly in the database).
Later this month, I will also be improving the server in a more
fundamental way: the current PII/400MHz/256MB will be replaced with a
PIII/1000MHz/768MB, allowing for much faster response time on some of
those large database queries.
Although I hope to serve as Consul next year, I do not anticipate that
the demands of either office will interfere with the other. Rather, there
will be a synergistic effect - the constant involvement in the affairs
of Nova Roma that the office of Consul demands will keep me focused on
Nova Roma, rather than outside projects, and I will work as hard at
the job of Curator as ever before. My predecessors in this office have
simultaneously served as Consul, Curator Sermo, Quaestor, Tribune, Praetor
and Pontifex; it is wholly in keeping with our traditions that the Curator
Araneum may have another magistracy.
I ask for your vote for Curator Araneum and for Consul.
Valete,
Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
Candidate for Consul,
Incumbent Candidate for Curator Araneum.
--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Curator Araneum et Senator
http://www.konoko.net/~haase/
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] GAIUS SENTIUS BRUTTIUS SURA - DECLARATION OF CANDIDACY AS AEDILIS PLEBIS 2755 AUC |
| From: |
=?iso-8859-1?q?Craig=20Stevenson?= <gaiussentius@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 24 Nov 2001 01:11:42 +1100 (EST) |
|
Salvete fellow cives Nova Romanae et quirites,
I am hereby donning the chalk-white toga candida, as I
fulfill the criteria, to campaign and declare my
candidacy for the position of Aedilis Plebis. I am
currently 21 (will be 22 on January 22nd of the coming
year), and have been a member of Nova Roma for close
enough to 1 ½ years.
Titles and deeds in Nova Roma:
* Scriba Censoris to Censor Sulla during which we
together conducted a citizen update program to check
up on maters\patersfamilias and whether or not they
were active
* Scriba Rogatore under Lucius Cornelius Dalmaticus
and Livia Cornelia Aurelia (both now retired) for the
elections of last years magistrates
* Scriba Tribunus Plebis under Gnaeus Moravius
Piscinus (now retired) where I began to help him on a
project to research the tribunes of the plebs during
the Republic and to create a plebeian website, which
was abandoned when he resigned his position and
citizenship in Nova Roma.
* I am currently serving as a scribae for Senator
Marcus Minucius Audens in the Egressus (title not
determined yet), and will continue to do so as well as
other duties until Marcus Audens sees fit.
* Legatus of Australia Medius, in which role I
assisted Propraetor Marcus Arcadius Pius in creating
new names for each regio, as well as assisting any new
civies in the province with any problems or questions
they might have while being as available as possible
for them, and trying (if unsuccesfully due to outside
circumstances) to create gatherings and events for my
fellow provinciae civies, as well as trying to help
get the province back into shape after it was left in
some neglect by the previous governor.
* Sacerdos Mars Invictus & Sacerdos Primus Australia
Province - two postions which I am glad to say I will
be able to devote more time to in the coming year, and
perhaps they will help strengthen and aid me in the
position I am running for.
As for my other qualifications, I have spent the past
two and a half years as a Telephone Interviewer, and
as such I have been trained in public relations and
proper conduct during negotiations, which I think
could be a benefit in the position I am running for in
perhaps organizing events and other such duties. In
this job, I also did 4 months as a Data Entry Officer,
one more advantage I have in our virtual world. I am
also involved with associations outside of Nova Roma,
such as a Classical Restoration society. As well as
the above, I am also the paterfamilias of Gens
Sentia, and I make myself open to any questions that
any of them might have and I hope to bring some of
this quality to my position as Aedilis Plebis. Like my
fellow candidate S. Apollonius (whom I respect very
much) I also enjoy writing, which can be seen from my
Roman Timeline in the Camenaeum, which I will be
further working on again this year in the Byzantine
area. My hobbies also include looking into History,
such as political, social, religious and economic
factors involved, miniatures collecting and also Roman
coin collecting and hiking in the outback and walking.
My plans for my magistracy:
* To upkeep current traditions and try, if at all
possible, to introduce more interactivity between
civies
* To advance the position of Aedile, and try to
support any measures to make them more active and give
them more to do
* To do honor in my duties by presenting the games and
festivals to the people, as well as keeping people
updated and forewarning them whenever possible of
upcoming festivals and games.
* To make myself available as often as possible for
the civies of Nova Roma should they have any queries
of me.
* To make myself as available as possible by attending
all of the Market Day chats whenever possible, but
also by trying to foster a growing sense of being
connected and of community by fostering this and other
such features present in Nova Roma.
The fact that I am a pagan I see as a distinct
advantage, as it will allow me to carry out my tasks
and organization without qualms, and that I will be
able to devote myself more in depth to the religious
side of my office, such as the festivals.
I hope that what I have included above has gained your
attention (of course, I must admit that it isn't
exactly a shinning recommendation that the greater
percentage of those I worked under are now
ex-citizens, but I hope that I had very little to do
with that!J). However, no matter if I win the election
or not, I will continue in those positions that I have
been appointed until such a time as the people I am
working for decide they no longer have any need for
me.
Valete bene omnes,
Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura
Candida Curule Aedile
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Candidate Sulla's Religious Agenda |
| From: |
antoniuscorvusseptimius@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Nov 2001 08:26:29 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, cassius622@a... wrote:
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla writes:
>
> "4. The Religio needs to be focused. It needs to be properly
defined that
> thisis a fundamental and extremely important aspect of Nova Roma.
I feel
> this islacking. When people join up to Nova Roma they need to know
that the
> Religiois present and what new citizens and current citizens can
expect."
>
>
> Salvete,
>
> Lucius Cornelius, I must point out that since you neither practice the
> Religio Romana or are involved with it in any way, you might have
sought some
> more facts before making this part of your campaign.
Septimius: I belive candidate Sulla, has the full right to comment on
the religio, and how it should be run. Especially when he has full
respect for it and, its devoted practitioners (like myself). I would
even go futher (what else is new, eh?) to say that you Cassius being a
recent devotee of the religio, have no need to mention that candidate
Sulla does not practice. Especially when we could pick apart your
level of observance. Which in my eyes is very lacking.
If you have questions
> or concerns about the Religio in Nova Roma you have never voiced
them before
> - certainly you have not brought them up with any of the Pontiffs or
> Priesthood.
Septimius: What does this matter if candidate Sulla has not brought
this issue up before? Certainly he has had enough time to gather
enough information about it, to make an educated statement.
Anyone would have been more than happy to assist you if you had
> done so! :)
Septimius: This is very true, I commend all of those who have helped
me in the past.In knowing where the religio stands in NR.
>
> I understand that it is helpful to have a wide variety of items in your
> campaign platform, but getting solid info together and actually
speaking to
> the people who work with the subject first couldn't hurt.
Septimius: "WORK" with the "subject"? Interesting discriptions coming
from a pontifex maximus. Being a devoted observer myself, I have
always shared with candidate Sullathe workings of the religio.
>
> As things stand, the Religio Romana has continued to both expand
religious
> infrastructure and available information within Nova Roma. Here are
some of
> the developments in this last year:
>
> 1. The infrastructure of the Religio has been expanded through the
addition
> of new members of the Priesthood, the creation of an official religious
> calendar, and establishment of Augural policy.
>
> 2. The Religio Romana list has continued to grow and has remained an
> excellent resource for our religious community.
Septimius: true, but where does this fit in with candidate Sullas
statement? A very vague list, so far...
>
> 3. The 'Pantheon' section of the Nova Roma website has been expanded
> considerably. This year the amount of practical religious information
> available to our Citizens has increased greatly. This new information
> includes new Roman rituals, the basics of how to construct accurate
Roman
> rituals, how to set up a household altar (Lararium) and what ritual
items are
> necessary for household worship, etc.
Septimius: A very nice addition.
>
> 4. Thanks to the excellent long term efforts of Pontiff Graecus (and
help
> from our webmaster, Octavius) an interactive religious calendar has
been put
> up on the Nova Roma website. Now the Religio Romana sacred days are
instantly
> available to any Citizen, so that those who practice the Religio can
prepare
> for upcoming rites.
Septimius: This is very helpful. And, I commend Pontiff Graecus on his
efforts.
>
> 5. Perhaps most importantly, open Public Rituals have been begun
within Nova
> Roma. The Collegium Pontificum has begun holding 'live' rituals on
some of
> the major Sacred Days, in which Citizens can participate. This
allows our
> religious community to worship together even though we are challenged
> geographically. Unfortunately the events of September 11 disrupted that
> schedule, (and November is both scarce on Religio Holidays and is
also a busy
> time for NR with elections) but there will be a Public Saturnalia
Ritual
> going on in December, and ongoing public festivals after that.
>
> In addition to upcoming 'live' Public religious festivals, other
expansions
> are already in the works for this next year. The Religio Romana
website is
> going to continue to be expanded significantly, and 'rites for
individuals'
> on the minor holidays will continue to be added to the interactive
calendar.
> There is also going to be a big push to expand the Priesthood and to
assist
> the Priesthood in being more active. This will be especially helpful
for some
> of the minor festivals to specific deities under the auspices of
some of our
> Sacerdotes Priests and Priestesses.
Septimius: My concern is my observing (of course). And am not
bothered if someone thinks of this as some new game to fulfill their
lives.A total devotion is required to the glorious Gods of Roma (in my
opinion).Not a taste test of her fruits. You seem to approach this
issue on a political level. And not once mentioned or gave reverence
to the Gods.Quite interesting, being a Pontifex Maximus & all.
>
> I hope this assists you in some of your concerns about a 'lack of
focus"
> within the Religio Romana, candidate Sulla.
>If you have any questions, or
> would care to submit some of your ideas for expanding the Religio,
please do
> not hesitate to contact me or anyone in the Collegium Pontificum.
Septimius: Or defending the the respect that it (the Religio Romana)
deserves. As I am sure you would agree, Cassius.
Dii te ament, A. Corvus Septimius
Devoted heart and soul, to the Gods of Roma
Citizen of Nova Roma
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Ritulia gens web page |
| From: |
"Sybil Leek" <PrimaRituliaNocta@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Nov 2001 03:16:49 -0800 |
|
Salve Omnes,
I just wanted to send an invite to Nova Roma's citizens to come see my
efforts. Over the last week or so I have put together a very small web page
for my gentes. On the Ritulia web page I have included sets of research
materials, such as a book list and site links that may be of general use. I
have also set up a message board in hopes of getting a better chance to know
you all. Please feel free to come visit us and give us your comments and
suggestions at: http://www.cpplus1.com/~jormungand/Ritulia
I will be adding a few more pages in the next few months or so, concerning
the individuals in my gentes and our patron deities. However, the majority
of the sites structure will remain as it is.
In the last few posts I have noticed concerns being brought forward about
NR’s religio and possible dissention. The thought comes to mind that you/we
can’t please all the people, all the time. However, anytime an individual
joins a group they have to understand that, each group has its own customs
and rules like any other social order. Being a university student I see
individuals joining social groups (Fraternities and Sororities) and taking
oaths all the time, which may or may not agree with their personal views or
values. However, we do not ask these groups to stop taking oaths because we
see them as creating community and continuity within their social order. I
have never felt pressured into doing something in conjunction with NR that
has been against my beliefs, nor have I felt that I would in any way be
excluded if I did not hold the same values. Actually I have felt quite
welcome here and inspired, thank you.
Vale Prima Ritulia Nocta
_________________________________________________________________
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|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Reply to Corvus Septimius |
| From: |
cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Nov 2001 09:35:33 EST |
|
From: <A HREF="http://groups.--------/group/novaroma/member_detail?email=antoniuscorvusseptimius@--------">antoniuscorvusseptimius@--------</A>
Date: Fri Nov 23, 2001 1:26am
Subject: Re: Candidate Sulla's Religious Agenda
Septimius: I belive candidate Sulla, has the full right to comment onthe
religio, and how it should be run. Especially when he has fullrespect for it
and, its devoted practitioners (like myself).
Cassius:
And I, who have worked with Sulla for years now, both in the Senate and
magistracies, have full right to comment on his campaign postings if I feel
there is some issue that needs discussion.
Septimius:
I wouldeven go futher (what else is new, eh?) to say that you Cassius being
arecent devotee of the religio, have no need to mention that candidateSulla
does not practice. Especially when we could pick apart your level of
observance. Which in my eyes is very lacking.
Cassius:
Why, thank you for publicly insulting me, Corvus Septimius. Considering that
you and I have never even spoken before, it is wonderful to suddenly hear on
the main list that you feel my level of religious observance is "very
lacking." Would you mind providing me with a list of exactly where my efforts
fall short in your eyes, so that I may correct my so far useless efforts and
bring them up to your own standards?
Septimius: What does this matter if candidate Sulla has not brought this
issue up before? Certainly he has had enough time to gather enough
information about it, to make an educated statement.
Cassius:
If Sulla has had ongoing religious concerns, it might well have been helpful
for him to bring them up when they occurred to him. Feedback is useful only
when it is given. As it turns out he may well have spoken to Pontiff Graecus,
but only to him... Sulla hasn't contacted the Collegium, or the Priesthood,
or posted religious issues to the Religio Romana list or to the main list.
How are people supposed to know of his concerns if he wasn't presenting them?
>>Cassius:
>>but getting solid info together and actually speaking to the people who
work with the subject first couldn't hurt.
>Septimius: "WORK" with the "subject"? Interesting discriptions coming from a
pontifex maximus.
Cassius:
Exactly why would you find that statement curious? My meaning was simple
enough. Sulla's concern for the Religio might have been better served if he
had started up a dialogue with the folks officially responsible for the
Religio Romana in NR. No reason to mention it only at election time.
>>Cassius:
>> As things stand, the Religio Romana has continued to both expand religious>
infrastructure and available information within Nova Roma.
Here are some of the developments in this last year:>> 1. The infrastructure
of the Religio has been expanded through the addition of new members of the
Priesthood, the creation of an official religious calendar, and establishment
of Augural policy.>> 2. The Religio Romana list has continued to grow and has
remained an excellent resource for our religious community.
Septimius: true, but where does this fit in with candidate Sullas statement?
A very vague list, so far...
Cassius:
That particular portion of my post was not a direct reply to anything written
by Sulla. It was instead a brief listing of some of the efforts of the last
year, since the subject of the Religio had been brought up. I don't know why
you feel these first two listed items are "very vague." Again the wording is
clear enough. New priesthood has been added, an official liturgical calendar
has been adopted, a new Augural policy was set up, and the Religio Romana
list has continued to grow as a religious forum by having increased
membership and thoughtful posting.
Cassius:
(Items 3 and 4 snipped for brevity since you seemed to not have a problem
with them.)
>>Cassius:
>> 5. Perhaps most importantly, open Public Rituals have been begun within
Nova Roma. The Collegium Pontificum has begun holding 'live' rituals on some
of the major Sacred Days, in which Citizens can participate. This allows our
religious community to worship together even though we are challenged
geographically. Unfortunately the events of September 11 disrupted that
schedule, (and November is both scarce on Religio Holidays and is also a busy
time for NR with elections) but there will be a Public Saturnalia Ritual
going on in December, and ongoing public festivals after that. In addition to
upcoming 'live' Public religious festivals, other expansions are already in
the works for this next year. The Religio Romana website is going to continue
to be expanded significantly, and 'rites for individuals' on the minor
holidays will continue to be added to the interactive calendar. There is also
going to be a big push to expand the Priesthood and to assist the Priesthood
in being more active. This will be especially helpful for some of the minor
festivals to specific deities under the auspices of some of our Sacerdotes
Priests and Priestesses.
Septimius: My concern is my observing (of course). And am not bothered if
someone thinks of this as some new game to fulfill their lives.A total
devotion is required to the glorious Gods of Roma (in my opinion).Not a taste
test of her fruits.
Cassius:
I am afraid I don't quite understand what you're trying to say in the above.
Can you perhaps explain your thought here more fully?
Septimius:
You seem to approach this issue on a political level. And not once mentioned
or gave reverence to the Gods.Quite interesting, being a Pontifex Maximus &
all.
Cassius:
I was answering a political post by Sulla, not leading a religious service to
the Gods. I do apologize if my failure to mix liturgical material in with a
secular conversation is disappointing to you. My intent was merely to keep my
posting as brief and clear as possible.
In any case, Corvus Septimus, while I am very sorry you seem to think little
of myself or my efforts on behalf of the Religio, I assure you there are no
hard feelings. In fact, I am very glad indeed to hear that you are "Devoted
heart and soul, to the Gods of Roma." Such dedication could certainly be a
benefit to the Religio Romana within Nova Roma.
Is it possible that your dedication could lead you to take up a public
priesthood? Or perhaps you could share your religious feelings/ideals with
others (in addition to Lucius Cornelius Sulla) by sharing discussion on the
Religio Romana list? I see you have only posted there once this year so far.
You would certainly be welcome, and if you have been dissatisfied with
aspects of the Religio Romana in NR the best way to change that is through
participation in the public sphere.
Valete ,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] DECLARATION OF CANDIDACY-CENSOR |
| From: |
"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:16:09 -0500 |
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Salve,
I come before the citizens of our fair Nation this day to formally declare
my candidacy for the office of Censor. It has been a pleasure and a
privilege to serve you as Curatrix Sermonis this past year and I would be
honored to further serve Nova Roma through the duties of Censor.
My qualifications for this office are as follows:
1. I have a great deal of experience working with databases and tracking
data, therefore the maintenance of records via computer is something I am
quite comfortable with.
2. I have always been quite active in Nova Roma and certainly have the
ability and willingness to devote my time and energy to the tasks that fall
to the Censors. I am scrupulous about staying in touch with the people and
issues of Nova Roma and I believe that will serve me well in being able to
truly work with the citizens.
3. I have demonstrated my strong work ethic and dedication to duty this past
year in my work as Curatrix Sermonis. While not everyone may agree with
every action I have taken, I believe it is fair to say that I have always
worked for the best interest of the citizens and have been quite responsive
to new ideas and feedback.
4. I am a team player. I believe that I would work quite well with my
colleague in the coming year.
5. I have a proven record of quick response to e-mail requests. The ability
to respond quickly and efficiently to citizens is paramount to the position
of Censor and I am more than up to that task. I also believe it is crucial
that the Censors be approachable and accountable at all times. I am always
quick to offer assistance and answer questions for citizens and I genuinely
enjoy interacting with my fellow Nova Romans.
6. I have been a citizen since the day Nova Roma was created, so I am more
than familiar with the ins and outs of our nation. As such I believe I
would be of great help to new citizens. My experience, as well as my
friendly manner, would serve to make their transition into citizenship an
efficient and pleasant one.
I would be pleased to answer any questions you may have of me during this
election season. I stand before you asking that you carefully consider all
candidates and decide for yourselves who best will serve Nova Roma in the
coming year. I, of course, hope that you will decide to vote for me, but
regardless of *who* you vote for, please be sure to *vote*.
Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] GAIUS SENTIUS BRUTTIUS SURA - DECLARATION OF CANDIDACY AS AEDILIS PLEBIS 2755 AUC |
| From: |
"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:48:31 +0100 |
|
Salve Gai Senti,
I have a small question. Your title (and preface) say that you are a
candidate for Aedilis Plebis (if so, join the club ;)), but your bottom line
mentions you as a candidate for Aedilis Curulis. Now, which of the two _are_
you a candidate for? Just curious :).
Vale bene!
S. Apollonius Draco
<< PETITOR AEDILIS PLEBIS >>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Voting |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:02:06 -0500 (EST) |
|
Citizens of Nova Roma!
I have been privaledged to serve you in many positions since my coming
to this micronation, first as a Quaestor, then as Praetor, Consul, then
ProConsul of a Province, and as a Quaestor during this last year. For
that service you and your appointed leaders hve showered me with honors.
Over all I have served as a Senator since my acceptance, by you, of
myself as Praetor. Along the line there have been many instances of
items brought before the Senate and the people of Nova Roma for
decision.
Voting has just opened for the consideration of three laws, that
currently need to be seriously looked at by the voters. I must strongly
recommend to all NR Citizens to please take a moment to cast your votes
in this election. Senator Germanicus has opened the polss and the
Senior Consul is making known the importance of this vote in his own
message.
Some people on this Main List have very kindly and generously
complimented me by saying that they feel what I have to say is important
to them as NR Citizens. Others have criticized my views harshly because
they do not agree wih either my precepts or my reasoning. This
micronation is now in a position where every vote is needed and every
vote needs to be registered. If you have felt, in the past, that I have
been someone to listen to, then I ask you please to take a moment now to
vote on these questions before the micronation. If, in the past, you
have disagreed with my views, now is the time to let your views be
known--Please take a moment and vote!!!!! If you have ever posted to
the Main List on any subject, this decision needs your vote and your
input, and for those who have never posted, now would be an excellent
time "to get your feet wet," and register your vote for these laws.
In closing, my friends, I cannot stress the importance of this vote too
much, it is vital to Nova Roma, it is vital to our future procedures,
but Citizens of Nova Roma I stand before you today as a Senator,
Magistrate, and servant to you ,the people of this micronation, to say,
that probably this vote is most important to you--the Citizens of Nova
Roma, for this is your micronation, your laws and your future. Take a
moment and register your desires that we may have a record turnout, and
an exhibition of interest over these important decisions which lie
before you, the decision makers of Nova Roma!!!
Respectfully, and with my thanks for your very kind attention:
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] My Thanks |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:29:13 -0500 (EST) |
|
Citizens of Nova Roma;
In the past few weeks I have recieved many very complimentary messages
both on the Main List and by private mail. I just want to register my
extreme thanks to you for your very kind words and thoughts They are,
each one, very precious to me, and I have cherished them. I thank you
so very much!!!
Also in the past weeks I have recieved a few messages critical of my
views and my deisions. I wish to thank you also for these criticisms,
as they provide me with the opporunity to review your ideas against my
own, and evaluate the strength of your arguments.
A naval captain under whom I served at one time, in responding to a
question of him about a controversial subject in his command, indicated
that he also considered the other view, in the light of what he knew,
which as he indicated, may well be more than the questioner knew (a
junior lieutenant) since as a Captain he had many more information
sources to which the questioner had no access. Such is also true of
Senior Magistrates in Nova Roma or in any other position of importance.
So I appreciate your views, be they complimenary or not, and as my Oath
demands, I must, will and have acted for what I see to be the best for
Nova Roma, on the information that I have recieved and have wieghed that
information against who has provided it, my experience, background, and
my understanding of the situation, as well as the needs and desires of
the Majority in accordance with our laws, keeping ever mindful of the
right of the Minority to be heard, and to follow up any decision with a
review of the question, which becomes the stronger in detail, as the
difference between the Majority and the Minority diminishes. However,
this review need not depend only upon the extreme vocal Minority, but
rather, hopefully upon the true Minority as a whole.
Respectfully; with my Appreciation for the time that you have spent and
the messages you have sent;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Announcement of Candidacy |
| From: |
ksterne@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:17:52 -0000 |
|
Gaius Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit,
I come before you today in the whitened toga to offer my services as
Quaestor of Nova Roma. I joined Nova Roma in February of 2001 and
currently serve as Praefectus Regio of the Magna Flumen regio of
America Austrorientalis province. I have been fairly active on the
Main List and other NR lists. Here is a little more about me:
I'm 46 and live near Memphis, Tennessee, USA (Howdy y'all). 2
partners and I own a financial consulting business for small banks
and private businesses. I am a CPA and a Certified Financial
Planner. I am married with 2 daughters aged 9 and 6. Unfortunately,
my wife does not share my passion for Roma (she doesn't particularly
like the Oakland Raiders either), but I am working on the kids
(Little Popillia and Popillilla). I am the paterfamilias of
Popillia, but currently the only member.
I have always been interested in ancient history and Greece and Rome
in particular. I remember in history class how disappointed I would
be when we started to move on to the middle ages. I hated Goths, and
Visigoths, and Vandals, etc. I always hoped in the next chapter
mighty Roma would bounce back, but alas.
I didn't do a lot of study on Rome until I read the "Masters of Rome"
series by Colleen McCullough. I thought the novels were great, but
when I started reading the actual history of Roma, I was surprised at
how historically accurate they were. Most of my study has been
history, politics, and warfare and I have read most everything I have
come across. I realize the next step is to go to the actual ancient
texts and I am working on Plutarch's "Lives". I know relatively
little about Roman daily life and religion, but I am learning. My
Latin is virtually non-existent, but I'm trying.
I am not a practitioner of the Religo, but I revere and honor it. I
selected Mars and Neptunus as the Gods of my gens because Mars
is "the most Roman of Gods" (per the NR site) and Neptunus because I
love the sea. This way I hope Religo practitioners will feel more
comfortable considering Popillia. My family is Roman Catholic, but
frankly, I believe all modern organized religion is very limited in
what it can really offer.
Finally, I wanted the pranomen Gaius (I just like it) and a lot of
the gens names were already taken. A little research and I found the
story of C. Popillius Laenas who drew the circle around the feet of
Antiochus and demanded an answer before he stepped out. That sounded
perfectly Roman to me and a great name.
Historically the Quaestors were financial magistrates. I feel my
background as a CPA and CFP will qualify me for this position and I
am eager to serve. I ask for your support and urge all cives to vote.
Valete
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