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Subject:	[novaroma] Religious discussion...
From:	cassius622@--------
Date:	Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:44:15 EST

Salvete,

I hope another post on religion will not detract our Citizens from the
important vote going on now in the Cista, or the current campaigns for this
next years magistrates.

The debate between Graecus and myself is a bit more complex than the thread
which Septimius has begun. Pontiff Graecus and I share a desire to revive the
Roman state religion as accurately as possible. I believe we are both equally
committed to rebuilding the State Priesthoods - and reconstructing the family
household worship which was the very foundation of the Relgio for the Roman
people.

Our other discussion focuses on the 'rest' of ancient religion. Graecus
wishes Nova Roma to manifest only the capitoline State religion as practiced
in Republican Italy, while I am very enthused about rebuilding the Provincial
religions as well. In my belief the syncretistic nature of the Religio Romana
is a great strength.

It seems to me that the ancient Provincial (foreign) religions can provide
Nova Roma with as wide much wider public appeal, and also rebuild the
international status of the Religio in the most historical way. Nova Roma is
after all a worldwide community encompassing many Provinciae.

A related situation still being discussed is that in antiquity the Roman
state had little control over the Provincial cults. While worship was
integrated in many ways the administration of the various cults was not.

I personally feel that any Provincial cults manifested within Nova Roma (and
we already do have some!) must have at least some administrative connections
with the State. This would not only ensure official status and quality, but
it may be necessary on a legal level if the Religio incorporates as a 'legal'
church so that our clergy can have legal ministerial status and have the same
rights as the priesthoods of other legal religions enjoy.

There has been a good deal of discussion regarding this. The most *accurate*
way to do it would be to place Provincial cults under the auspices of the
Provinciae themselves. While I like the idea I do not believe we have enough
people to make it work just now. Another idea is to expand the role of the
'Quindecimviri Sacris Faciundis' priesthood, which supervised *some* foreign
cults but not all. (They supervised only the cults that had been added under
the direction of the Sibylline Books.)

The debate is likely to continue for some time, so hopefully some of the
discussion on the subject can continue *after* the crucial current vote
(please vote, people!) and the elections. (Not that I believe the topic won't
blow up and take over the main list with heated argument!) (sigh)

As to Wicca and other 'modern' pagan paths, nobody has suggested formally
incorporating them in Nova Roma. We do, of course, have a good many Citizens
who come from such backgrounds, since those are the only paths which have
been available for decades. These are paths which definitely fall into the
realm of "personal religion." As such, no one has to fear that they will be
blended with the public Religio Romana... but of course our Citizens who
practice these systems should be accorded the respect that we have agreed to
grant *all* Citizens no matter what their personal religious path.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Consul, Pontifex Maximus

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Germania Inferior : mission statement
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:03:51 -0500

Salve;

Much as I admire your enthusiasm, I must ask that you do not refer to this
as a "new provincia, yet to be recognized by the senatus." The Senate does
not "recognize" provinces; it creates them. To recognize something implies
that it already exists, and that existence is merely acknowledged. Should
the Senate some day see the need to create such a province out of the
already-extant provincia of Germania and Gaul (and considering that both of
those provincia, while relatively well populated, are not particularly
active and thus their existing administrations are perfectly adequate to
serve the needs of their citizens), it will do so.

Now, if there were a sudden spate of activity within the boundaries of your
area, and the governors of Gaul and Germania were incapable of accomodating
the needs of the citizens there, I am certain the Senate would do just that.
However, I don't see the necessity of breaking our cives into even smaller
provincia when our current provincial administrations are already
under-utilized.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Caius Puteus Germanicus [mailto:puteus@--------]
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 7:08 AM
> To: novaroma_europe@--------; Germania Inferior Newsgroup; Nova
> Roma Germania; Nova Roma
> Subject: [novaroma] Germania Inferior : mission statement
>
>
> Caius Puteus Germanicus omnibus salutem!
>
> I have added a new feature to the website of Germania Inferior: a
> mission statement of the newly to be created provincia. Please
> view this statement at:
> http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/MissionStatement.html
> or via the webpage of Germania Inferior (see below).
>
> Especially recommended to the cives of this new provincia, yet to
> be recognised by the senatus.
>
> This page is meant to be interactive and any remarks can be
> mailed directly to me. All remarks and the initial statement will
> be discussed at our local meeting on December 29th and/or on the
> discussion list of our provincia (for information about the list,
> I again refer to the homepage of Germania Inferior).
>
> Vale optime in pace deorum!
>
> Caius Puteus Germanicus
> Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
> Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
> Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque
> Occidentalis
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> http://www.geocities.com/caius_puteus_germanicus/
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Candidate T. Apollonius Cicatrix
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:08:37 -0500

Salve;

> -----Original Message-----
> From: S. Apollonius Draco [mailto:hendrik.meuleman@--------]
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 9:24 PM
>
> but some of the listmembers are afraid that opening it up might simply
turn
> it into a second main list, and certainly, during election time, a
> propaganda forum to harvest more votes from unsuspecting victims :).

How gratifying to know that you won't be using it to garner any votes for
yourself or your gensmate (especially since voices who usually find
themselves opposed to the Apollonii are not to be found), oh candidate for
office! ;-)

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Candidate T. Apollonius Cicatrix
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:15:47 -0500

Salve;

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix [mailto:consulromanus@--------]
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 6:47 AM
>
> As two of my fratres already stated, the main reason
> for keeping the Nova Roma Europe list restricted is
> that I didn't want to create another main list. It was
> intended to be alist to bring the European cives more
> closely together and to arrange meetings in Europe.

I must confess I don't see how allowing non-Europeans onto such a list would
necessarily interfere with the mission of bringing Europeans closer
together, and arranging live meetings in Europe. After all, none of the
province-specific lists (in Europe and elsewhere) that I am aware of are
closed to non-province-members. Unless there's some pattern of disruption
(and such would most certainly be tied to specific individuals, rather than
to all people living outside of particular locales), I honestly don't see
the point-- European, Canadian, Australian, or American.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul


Subject:	[novaroma] Religio Romana Only? (was RE: Candidate Sulla's Religious Agenda)
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:07:23 -0500

Salvete;

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maximina Octavia [mailto:myownq@--------]
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 10:58 AM
>
> If all citizens were to formally pledge to support
> only Religio Romana in Nova Roma it would be the tie
> that binds the populace.

This has been a question that was brought up before Nova Roma was even
founded, and has come up every once in a while over the last several years.
Indeed, we have lost more than our share of excellent Citizens precisely
because Nova Roma is not a Roman-pagan-only organization, and they resented
the idea that the revival of Rome would include such people.

>From my perspective, and from our many conversations both prior to and after
the foundation I believe our good Pontifex Maximus Marcus Cassius Julianus
agrees, it is precisely the tolerant and open nature of Roman culture that
formed the basis of much of its strength. Cassius refers to this as the
syncretic nature of the Religio and is entirely correct as far as that goes,
and I tend to extend the principle to the entirety of Roman culture.

Just as Rome's strength was borne of its willingness to tolerate foreigners
of all stripes within its precincts, the Religio was flexible enough to
incorporate "foreign" cults from Greece, Egypt, and beyond into the very
temples of the City itself. Just as the Religio grew into one of the most
sophisticated expressions of pagan spirituality the world has seen, Rome's
position as the most cosmopolitan city-state in the entire Mediterranean
basin was being forged. Just as Rome sought to make allies and friends of
those peoples and territories it conquered, so it sought to embrace the
religion of those peoples and even erected temples to their Gods.

Does that mean that we seek to follow the path of modern neo-pagan faiths
such as Wicca, or are some sort of haven for every pagan reconstructionist
movement out there? No. However, the Religio is and was a large and flexible
entity, and we would do it a disservice if we limited ourselves solely to
some minimalist vision of the Religio circa 750 BCE. In that same vein, Roma
Antiqua found the strength to have cives who practiced all manner of faiths;
Jews, Greeks, Celts, Germans, and even Atheists! Surely we would do Her an
equal disservice if we limited ourselves to only allowing practitioners of a
particular faith to enter into Citizenship.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Curator Differium Candidacy
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:09:41 -0500

Salve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shane Evans [mailto:marcusafricanus@--------]
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 6:55 PM
>
> I M.Scipio Africanus declare myself candidate for
> Curator Differium.

Outstanding! I have always felt that the newsletter is one of the most
important outreaches Nova Roma has. I would be eager to hear your experience
in putting together such a publication!

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Curator Differium Candidacy
From:	"C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@-------->
Date:	Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:03:29 -0500

Salvete,

I would like to declare my support for the candidacy of M. Scipio
Africanus for Curator Differium. I have know Shane Evans for many years,
since our military service together, and he is a man of great character
and ability. He is an intelligence Officer in the U.S. Army, ROTC
instructor, amateur historian, and avid re-enactor. He is currently
serving Nova Roma as a Legate in Provincia Lacus Magni, Tribune of the
Sodaliatas Militarium, and editor of the Sodalitas Militarium
newsletter, the "Pilum". He is also currently writing a book on the
hobby of historical re-enactment. I can't imagine a more qualified or
dedicated individual for the post than Legatus Africanus, and intend to
cast my vote for him on election day.

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Legate of Massachusetts
Scriba Propraetoris, Nova Britannia

ICQ# 28924742

"Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." - Vegetius

-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Evans [mailto:marcusafricanus@--------]
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 6:55 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: [novaroma] Curator Differium Candidacy

I M.Scipio Africanus declare myself candidate for
Curator Differium.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Candidate Sulla's Religious Agenda
From:	mark zona <pitdog2002@-------->
Date:	Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:32:17 -0800 (PST)

--- Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> wrote:
>
> Salve, Pontifex Maximus,
>
> Re: Sullas comment on Religio
>
SNIP!
>
> If all citizens were to formally pledge to support
> only Religio Romana in Nova Roma it would be the tie
> that binds the populace.
>
UNSNIP!

It would also be historically inaccurate. In ancient
Rome, Jews could be citizens or even hold office
without supporting the Religio Romana. If we are
trying to rebuild Rome the way it was, then we need to
follow our forebearers precedent. Anything less would
be "unroman".

Respectfully,

Marcus Antonius Zeno

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Subject:	[novaroma] Keeping track of candidates
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <julilla@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 03:46:54 -0000

Salvete omnes et salve candidati!

My head is beginning to swim with the recent declarations, and I am
having to resort to a spreadsheet to keep track of who is running for
what position.

I am wondering whether it might be possible or advisable to have an
HTML table, regularly updated, to keep us informed of which
candidates are running for what office.

Here are my notes, translated from HTML to simple text. Keep in mind,
I am a simple civa privata, so any mistakes here are entirely my own.

No.
Office Positions Declared Candidates

Consul II Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Marcus Octavius Germanicus

Censor I Priscilla Vedia Serena

Praetor Urbanus II Titus Labienus Fortunatus
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo

Aedilis Plebeianus II Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
Sextus Apollonius Draco
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura

Tribunus Plebis II Gnaeus Salix Astur

Quaestors VIII Marcus Minucius Audens
Gaius Minucius Hadrianus
Titus Octavius Pius
Gaius Popillius Laenas

Vigintisexviri Min. IV

Vigintisexviri:
(Curator Sermonem) I Manius Villius Limitanus

Vigintisexviri:
(Curator Differum,
Eagle Editor) I M. Scipio Africanus

Could something like this possibly be published once a week?

Gratias,

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| http://julilla.tripod.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Keeping track of candidates
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:53:18 -0500

Salve;

Thanks much for your attentive concern for the current elections. Yours is
an excellent idea, and I will be making a regular report of who has stood
for which office, and how many openings their are.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julilla Sempronia Magna [mailto:julilla@--------]
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 10:47 PM
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] Keeping track of candidates
>
>
> Salvete omnes et salve candidati!
>
> My head is beginning to swim with the recent declarations, and I am
> having to resort to a spreadsheet to keep track of who is running for
> what position.
>
> I am wondering whether it might be possible or advisable to have an
> HTML table, regularly updated, to keep us informed of which
> candidates are running for what office.
>
> Here are my notes, translated from HTML to simple text. Keep in mind,
> I am a simple civa privata, so any mistakes here are entirely my own.
>
> No.
> Office Positions Declared Candidates
>
> Consul II Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus
>
> Censor I Priscilla Vedia Serena
>
> Praetor Urbanus II Titus Labienus Fortunatus
> Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
>
> Aedilis Plebeianus II Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
> Sextus Apollonius Draco
> Amulius Claudius Petrus
> Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura
>
> Tribunus Plebis II Gnaeus Salix Astur
>
> Quaestors VIII Marcus Minucius Audens
> Gaius Minucius Hadrianus
> Titus Octavius Pius
> Gaius Popillius Laenas
>
> Vigintisexviri Min. IV
>
> Vigintisexviri:
> (Curator Sermonem) I Manius Villius Limitanus
>
> Vigintisexviri:
> (Curator Differum,
> Eagle Editor) I M. Scipio Africanus
>
> Could something like this possibly be published once a week?
>
> Gratias,
>
> ---
> cura ut valeas,
> @____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
> |||| http://julilla.tripod.com/
> @____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
> |||| julilla@--------
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Keeping track of candidates
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@-------->
Date:	Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:43:25 -0800

Ave,

Don't forget:

Curule Aedile - Caeso Fabius

Webmaster - M. Octavius Germanicus

Quaestor - Decius Cornelius

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Candidate for Consul

Julilla Sempronia Magna wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes et salve candidati!
>
> My head is beginning to swim with the recent declarations, and I am
> having to resort to a spreadsheet to keep track of who is running for
> what position.
>
> I am wondering whether it might be possible or advisable to have an
> HTML table, regularly updated, to keep us informed of which
> candidates are running for what office.
>
> Here are my notes, translated from HTML to simple text. Keep in mind,
> I am a simple civa privata, so any mistakes here are entirely my own.
>
> No.
> Office Positions Declared Candidates
>
> Consul II Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus
>
> Censor I Priscilla Vedia Serena
>
> Praetor Urbanus II Titus Labienus Fortunatus
> Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
>
> Aedilis Plebeianus II Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
> Sextus Apollonius Draco
> Amulius Claudius Petrus
> Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura
>
> Tribunus Plebis II Gnaeus Salix Astur
>
> Quaestors VIII Marcus Minucius Audens
> Gaius Minucius Hadrianus
> Titus Octavius Pius
> Gaius Popillius Laenas
>
> Vigintisexviri Min. IV
>
> Vigintisexviri:
> (Curator Sermonem) I Manius Villius Limitanus
>
> Vigintisexviri:
> (Curator Differum,
> Eagle Editor) I M. Scipio Africanus
>
> Could something like this possibly be published once a week?
>
> Gratias,
>
> ---
> cura ut valeas,
> @____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
> |||| http://julilla.tripod.com/
> @____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
> |||| julilla@--------
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Keeping track of candidates
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date:	Sat, 24 Nov 2001 23:31:56 -0500

Salve,

The aedilis are split into two separate positions. The aedilis plebis is
open to plebeian citizens only, two citizens hold this office. The aediles
curules is for patricians and two citizens also hold this office. They are
slightly different and voted on separately. I am running for aediles curules
not aedilis plebis. Just thought I should clear that up. =)

The fallowing are the citizens running for these positions:

AEDILES CURULES
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus

AEDILIS PLEBIS
Gaius Sentius Brutius
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
S. Apollonius Draco

Vale,

( I am running for Aediles Curules. Please visit my campaign website at
http://www.virtue.nu/amclaudius/index.htm )

"Quamquam cupido sis delictum ab sui crebro sum mater ab vitualis"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Candidate for Aediles Curules
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia

Canada Orientalis Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/canorien

Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--

>Julilla Sempronia Magna at julilla@-------- wrote:
>
> Aedilis Plebeianus II Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
> Sextus Apollonius Draco
> Amulius Claudius Petrus
> Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Amulius Claudius' campaign site
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 00:00:10 -0500

Salve,

Thank you for your support citizen! You are absolutely right when you said
that the position of Aediles Curules needs corporation with provincial
officials.

Here in Nova Roma we are fortunate to have many active groups provincially.
I have read many successful reports from gatherings organised all over the
world. If we had a Aediles Curules really pushing this type of activity on a
separate page on our official website the results could be quite impressive
indeed. I am also interested in forming an online guide to those citizens
wondering what it requires to hold a good Roman gathering. This document
could possibly be a group effort written by different provincial authorities
such as yourself.

If all goes well I look forward to working with you and the other provincial
leaders I have had the pleasure to talking to.

Vale,

"Quamquam cupido sis delictum ab sui crebro sum mater ab vitualis"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"

Citizens of Nova Roma please visit my campaign site at:
http://www.virtue.nu/amclaudius/index.htm

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Candidate for Aediles Curules
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia

Canada Orientalis Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/canorien

Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--

>Caius Puteus Germanicus at puteus@-------- wrote:
>
> Thanks for the nice words on the main list about the website. I just visited
> your own campaign site and I was very impressed. This shows you have been very
> busy preparing yourself, and I will be happy to support you, as I believe this
> preparation indicates an active magistracy to come! Good luck!!
>
> Whenever elected, please note that I would be happy to cooperate with you on
> at least one of the items in your program.
> Local Gathering Promotion
> If elected a new section will be added to the lundi area at NovaRoma.org. This
> section would post up a list of upcoming local gatherings in your area. It
> could also refer you to the citizens organising the gatherings.
>
> I think this is indeed something that needs to be done, but it won't work
> without the cooperation of all responsible people on provincial level!
> Vale optime in pace deorum!


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Keeping track of candidates
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <julilla@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 05:55:46 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@e...>
wrote:
> Ave,
>
> Don't forget:
>
> Curule Aedile - Caeso Fabius
>
> Webmaster - M. Octavius Germanicus
>
> Quaestor - Decius Cornelius
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Candidate for Consul

hee hee! See, that is why I humbly ask for an OFFICIAL tally ;-) I
just sketched out what I had as an illustration

gratias tibi ago,

@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| http://julilla.tripod.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| julilla@--------


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Keeping track of candidates
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:35:11 +0100

>--- In novaroma@--------, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@e...>
>wrote:
>> Ave,
>>
>> Don't forget:
>>
>> Curule Aedile - Caeso Fabius
>>
>> Webmaster - M. Octavius Germanicus
>>
>> Quaestor - Decius Cornelius
>>
>> Vale,
>>
>> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>> Candidate for Consul
>
>
>hee hee! See, that is why I humbly ask for an OFFICIAL tally ;-) I
>just sketched out what I had as an illustration
>
>gratias tibi ago,
>
>
>@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna

Salve Honorable Julilla Sempronia Magna!

I just didn't think anyone could miss me? ;-)

Candidate for Curule Aedile - Caeso Fabius Quintilianus!!!

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Germania Inferior : mission statement
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:49:11 +0100

>Salve Caius Puteus,
>
>I believe today was my first visit to your site. It's well done, and easy to
>use. On top of all that it also looks good. It is great to see provincial
>website like yours.
>
>The mission statement is a interesting idea. This is something I have not
>seen at other provinces I know about

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Amulius Claudius Petrus
Candidate for Aediles Curules
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia

Salve Honorable Amulius Claudius Petrus!

I just want to inform You that there is something similar already
_existing_ in the _existing_ Province of Thule, it is the "Edictum
Propraetoricium VIII about the Approved Plan for Activities for the
organisation of Thule 2754 - 2756.

This Edictum is a _official_ document inspired by a earlier document
published by Illustrus Propraetor of Canada Occidentalis,
Tribunus Plebis and Quaestor Quintus Sertorius in his capacity as a
Governor of Canada Occidentalis.

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Germania Inferior : mission statement
From:	"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 07:33:57 +0100

Ave Consul Flavie Vedie Germanice!

To be politically correst, I shall address the region of Germania Inferior, as I asume that it is commonly known well enough to locate it by our cives, as the working area of the Sodalitas Egressus, with 'working area of the Sodalitas Egressus'. I do this with the authority as Section Chief of that Sodalitas.

I shall further peacefully await the decision of the Senatus, in response to the question addressed to this body by Legatus Sextus Apollonius Draco of Gallia Borealis (same region of course). Draco has brought this question up as a result of a poll organised in provincia Gallia as an initiative of our Propraetor Ianus Querius Armoricus Lutecio. In this poll it was clear that our cives request the creation of a new provincia named Germania Inferior.

I stress that my efforts as Section Chief of the Sodalitas Egressus are at disposition of any person responsible in Germania Inferior, once a favorable discision has been made. I stress that indeed this region exists, that its activities are real, but that the cives in the region are still a part of provincia Gallia. I have always mentionned it that way on the website, as you may have noticed. I also stress that, while deploying a lot of activities within our region, we only show that our region counts enough active cives to be viable and that we have a certain infrastructure. This should not be held against us, as you correctly stated in your message, but rather stress the importance of the item brought up by Draco.

Vale optime in pace deorum!

Caius Puteus Germanicus
Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
http://www.geocities.com/caius_puteus_germanicus/

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Keeping track of candidates
From:	"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 07:46:07 +0100

Ave Iulia!

I have kept a little list myself, with some small diferences.

Elections Nova Roma 2755

Consul (2)

M. Cornelius Sulla

M. Octavius Germanicus

Censor (2)

M. Minucius Audens

Priscilla Vedia Serena

Praetor (2)

Ti. Labienus Fortunatus

Pompeia Cornelia

Tribunus Plebis (2)

Gnaeus Salix Astur

Aedilis plebis (2)

T. Apollonius Cicatrix

S. Apollonius Draco

G. Sententius Bruttius Suria

Aedilis curulis (2)

Caeso Fabius Quintianus

Am. Claudius Petrus

Questor (4-8)

G. Minucius Hadrianus

T. Octavius Pius

D. Cornelius Sepulchatius

C. Popillius Laenas

Curator Differium (1)

M.Scipio Africanus

Curator Araneum (1)

M. Octavius Germanicus

Curator Sermonem (1)

Manius Villius Limitanus (Michel Loos)

Vale optime in pace deorum!

Caius Puteus Germanicus
Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
http://www.geocities.com/caius_puteus_germanicus/

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Candidate T. Apollonius Cicatrix
From:	"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:00:05 +0100

Ave!

I agree with consul Germanicus here and am convinced that non-Europeans, with their various points of view, can give a productive incentive to discussion on the NR Europe list. The fear of creating a second main list is really unnecessary, since only people interested in Europe would join it. Also the eventual political propaganda realting to the elections is nothing to be afraid of. When all of us have already seen this info on other lists, just use the delete button or ignore it!

Vale optime in pace deorum!

Caius Puteus Germanicus
Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
http://www.geocities.com/caius_puteus_germanicus/

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Subject:	Re: [NRGallia_BelgicaBataviaD] Re: [novaroma] Germania Inferior : mission statement
From:	"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:42:48 +0100

Ave Consul Flavie Vedie Germanice!

In addition to the posting of this morning, I created an extra page on the website: http://www.geocities.com/Germania_Inferior/statement.html. This statement is clarifying terms used on the website, gives a little history of our region and explains what terms will be used in the future.

Thanks for the publicity anyway, since this is just an extra reason to take a look at the homepage of Germania Inferior! :-)

Vale optime in pace deorum!

Caius Puteus Germanicus
Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
http://www.geocities.com/caius_puteus_germanicus/

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Subject:	[novaroma] Co-officiality of Latin
From:	"Claudius Salix Davianus" <davius_sanctex@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:17:19 +0100

Salvete cari cives Novae Romae:

Four measures for encouragement in the use of Latin:

1) Actually in this list every language is allowed with

the condition that it would be accompanied with an

English translation. If also messages only in Latin

language or with a Latin translation are allowed this

would encourage many citizens to learn Latin. Of

course most of citizens will continue using English,

but this gives equal status to Latin and English.

2) We must finish completely translation of the official

web-page. (Domna Claudia Auspicata has been making

an excellent work in this respect).

3) Give additional points to:

a) Citizens that don't know Latin, if they learn it.

b) Citizens that know Latin, if they use it.

4) Unification of technological terminology (terms

such as: newsgroup, email, electronic, website .)

in order that person that now are using different

expressions agree in a normalized Latin form. For

this proposition we can create an official organism

of linguistic normalization.

Claudius Salix Davianus

Scriba ad Latinitatem Provinciae Hispaniae

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LATINA VERSIO

Provisiones quattuor ad promotini usus latinae linguae:

1) Praesenter in hoc foro omnes linguae sinuntur si cum

translatione anglicae linguae adsunt. Sed etiam si missivae

unice latine scriptae sinuntur seu cum Latina translatione,

sic damus statum aequalem latinae linguae anglicaeque

linguae.

2) Nobis oportet omnino finire translationem officialis web-loci.

(Domna Claudia Auspicata magnificam laborem fecit in his rebus).

3) Dentur puncta additionalia:

a) Civibus ingnorantibus linguae latinae, si eam discunt.

b) Civibus haud ignorantibus linguae latinae, si ea utantur.

4) Harmonizare nomina technica (nomina tamquam:

newsgroup, email, electronic, website .). Proposito

huic creari potest consilium officiale "linguarum harmonizationis".

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Amulius Claudius' campaign site
From:	"Claudius Salix Davianus" <davius_sanctex@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:22:57 +0100

>"Quamquam cupido sis delictum ab sui crebro sum mater ab vitualis"
>"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother >of virtues"

Quamquam cupido sit delictum a(b) suis, crebro est mater virtutum

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Subject:	[novaroma] ENDORSEMENT OF AMULIUS CLAUDIUS PETRUS
From:	trog99@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:01:33 -0000

Salvete Omnes:

With due respect to all candidates, I must endorse my Legatus Canada
Orientalis Amulius Claudius Petrus for Curule Aedile.

In spite of my personal admiration for Claudius, I have some extremely
objective reasons for asking you to strongly consider his candidacy.

Claudius became active in my provincia quite soon after obtaining
citizenship. I had toyed with the idea of tackling a provincial
website prior to my meeting him; before I had any progress in this
area, he asked if he could create a website for our provincia. I
responded that I would be delighted, 'whenever' he had the time.

It was a done deal within a day or two, and it is awesome! There is
"nooooway" Po could have done anything so incredibly creative, and
organized. It is like he'd been in Nova Roma for a couple of years
with the content of the site. Claudius even designed a provincia
flag, with all the flags of the Canadian provinces in our provincia,
with the Nova Roma flag.

At my request, he linked our site to the Limes Cooperation Website, of
which Canada Orientalis is a member.

At the request of Procurator Cato, Claudius placed a tribute on our
site to the victims of the Sept. 11 Terrorist Attacks.

What's more, he's performed the same sort of cyber miracles for Gens
Claudia.

Claudius makes regular provincia updates to this site, and is quick to
offer new ideas to myself, Cato, and Nova Roma herself. He is
definitely committed to the res publica....and..... with his computer
and design expertise, the creativeness of his ideas, his ability to
work well with others, and his pleasantness of character, I feel we
would all be at a major loss without such a quality person for Curule
Aedile.

Claudi, Buona Fortuna.....and you will certainly have my "X" in this
election. :o)

..Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Propraetrix Canada Orientalis
Nova Roma


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Co-officiality of Latin
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 05:07:51 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Daviane.

--- Claudius Salix Davianus <davius_sanctex@--------> wrote:
> Salvete cari cives Novae Romae:
>
> Four measures for encouragement in the use of Latin:

First of all, let me congratulate you for expressing the idea that
Latin needs encouragement. This is certainly true. Our level of usage
of Latin needs a deep improvement, because Latin is an extremely
important part of Roman culture.

> 1) Actually in this list every language is allowed with
> the condition that it would be accompanied with an
> English translation. If also messages only in Latin
> language or with a Latin translation are allowed this
> would encourage many citizens to learn Latin. Of
> course most of citizens will continue using English,
> but this gives equal status to Latin and English.

I would like to hear what our current officials think of this proposal.
I know that usually no exceptions should be made on the "needs
translation" rule, but I agree with Davianus in that Latin is a
*special* case, and that it should recieve a special treatment.

Perhaps we could create a permanent position for a Latin translator on
the main list. This is/should be/will be our *official* language, after
all.

> 2) We must finish completely translation of the official
> web-page. (Domna Claudia Auspicata has been making
> an excellent work in this respect).

I guess that no one will be against this proposal (well, maybe Doman
Claudia Auspicata ;-) ).

> 3) Give additional points to:
> a) Citizens that don't know Latin, if they learn it.
> b) Citizens that know Latin, if they use it.

I guess that Davianus is talking about *century* points. I also think
that this point is worth considering; no reward will be large enough
for the spreading of our official language.

> 4) Unification of technological terminology (terms
> such as: newsgroup, email, electronic, website .)
> in order that person that now are using different
> expressions agree in a normalized Latin form. For
> this proposition we can create an official organism
> of linguistic normalization.

I think that this could be accomplished by an organism created by the
Sodalitas Latinitatis, with official sanction from the Senatus.

What do you think, gentlemen?

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule.

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Curator Differium Candidacy
From:	Shane Evans <marcusafricanus@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 06:15:20 -0800 (PST)

First I would like to thank my old and dear friend C.
Minucius Hadrianus for his wonderful endorsement. He
has now and forever, my complete support and
friendship. The only thing I can add to what he has
already said is that as my Honored Provincial
Propraeter and members of my personal Militarium staff
will attest, I am working very hard to advertise Nova
Roma to the public, get people in my Provincia active,
and bring in fresh blood. (for us and the gods <wink>)

M. Scipio Africanus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Keeping track of candidates
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:30:18 -0600 (CST)

Salvete,

Here is the current list. Since this is the list that will be used to
actually create the config file for the cista, it's as close to "official"
as we have right now... if there are any corrections, please send
them to me!

CONSUL - 2
M Octavius Germanicus 20/Nov
L Cornelius Sulla 21/Nov

CENSOR - 1
Priscilla Vedia Serena 23/Nov

PRAETOR - 2
T Labienus Fortunatus 21/Nov
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo 21/Nov

TRIBUNE - 2
Gn Salix Astur 21/Nov

QUAESTOR - 8
D Cornelius Sepulchatius 20/Nov
M Minucius Audens 21/Nov
G Minucius Hadrianus 21/Nov
T Octavius Pius 21/Nov
G Popilius Laenas 23/Nov

CURULE AEDILE - 2
Caeso Fabius Quintillianus 21/Nov
Amulius Claudius Petrus 22/Nov

PLEBEIAN AEDILE - 2
T Apollonius Cicatrix 21/Nov
S Apollonius Draco 21/Nov
G Sentius Bruttius Sura 23/Nov

ROGATOR - 4
C Puteus Germanicus 21/Nov

CURATOR SERMONIS - 1
Mn Villius Limitanus 21/Nov

CURATOR ARANEUM - 1
M Octavius Germanicus 23/Nov

CURATOR DIFFERIUM - 1
M Scipio Africanus 24/Nov

For anyone still looking for something to do next year, we need
quaestores and rogatores; there still aren't sufficient candidates
for those two positions.

Vale, Octavius.

--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Curator Araneum et Senator

http://www.konoko.net/~haase/


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Curator Differium Candidacy
From:	"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:19:02 -0500

Salvete,
I would like to endorse M.Scipio Africanus' candidacy - he currently edits the Militarium's
newsletter and does a fine job.
Valete,
Helena Galeria
----- Original Message -----
From: Shane Evans
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 6:55 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Curator Differium Candidacy

I M.Scipio Africanus declare myself candidate for
Curator Differium.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Co-officiality of Latin
From:	"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:33:56 +0100

Caius Puteus Germanicus omnibus salutem!

Condicio magnifica!
Excellent proposal!

I am no candidate for a position as translater (my knowledge of Latin is to limited for that), but I hope some one or some people will step forward!

Vale optime in pace deorum!

Caius Puteus Germanicus
Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
http://www.geocities.com/caius_puteus_germanicus/

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Subject:	[novaroma] Response to Antonius Corvus Septumius
From:	Sanctaluna3@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:28:29 EST

Salve,

I wish to thank you for responding in Pontifex Graecus' place to my post. I
shall attempt to answer all your remarks with clarity and brevity.

You wrote:
Septimius: As I await Pontifex Graecus' response, I beg your pardon
for one moment... This (in my eyes) is very clearly stated in Pontifex
Graecus' post. The Religio Romana is (and should be) observed as its
own religion. And not continuously lumped together in a melting pot of
paganism. Which has been done for centuries now.The "strange foreign
ways"; Unless those persons have studied in depth.. the Religio Romana
as a indipendant entity. Would more than likely, fabricate the ways of
the religio, by melding todays view on paganism (as a whole). Which
seems to be a horrible interpretation of some Celtic religions. These
Celtic observances that have been distorted through the centuries of
hate toward pagans, have manifested into what most of non observers of
these respective religions, believe to be what a "pagan "is.Not
realizing that a devotee of Zeus (for instance) does have similarities
with a worshipper of Iuppiter. However, they ARE different in many
ways.The only similarities are asthetic. The similarities from the
eyes of a monotheist, are much more than a polytheist sees.

Gaia Cassia:
This is the text - verbatim - that Graecus wrote, and that I was seeking his
answer to:

Graecus wrote:
Much work is still needed and the proof is that people often get the wrong
picture of the religio romana. The proof is that many people still think
that the religio romana is the same as the greek religion, or comparing the
mythology with sacred scriptures, or claiming to worship the roman gods in
strange foreign ways (e.g. neopagan approaches like Wicca) while not
manifesting knowledge about the religio romana. And an example of this is
the ammount of spurious priesthood applications (e.g. candidates for the
priesthood of Bacchus !!!) that we receive in the Collegium Pontificum. Your
update of the priesthoods page is a good step, but it is not enough. People
must, first of all, know what the religio is, i.e. the cult of the roman
gods according to the traditional prescriptions established by Romulus and
Numa and kept throughout the roman timeline up to the end of the 4th century
AD. And maybe a change of statute of the foreign cults is also required,
including their removal from the official priesthood page (with the sole
exception of cults "adopted" into the official pantheon by consultation of
the Sibylline Books, such as Apollo, Aesculapius, Demeter-Ceres and Magna
Mater).

Why you take Pontifex Graecus' quote and use it out of context is not
clear. Also, you seem to feel passionately about the "Celtic" issue, which
perhaps you should address more lucidly to him, since I did not address that
at all.

I did write:
I can only conclude that Antonius Gryllus Graecus means that non-NR
members think that Wiccans "�worship the Roman Gods in Strange foreign
ways, etc."

You then responded:
Septimius: Wiccans that observe the Religio Romana? In the pagan
world.. that would be like a Jewish person believing in Ala ( or
incorporating the Koran into the Torah[forgive the bluntness of my
analogy]). Yes, they belive in one god. But are still worlds apart in
observance, as well as dogma.

Gaia Cassia:
Since there are people from all faiths in NR that observe the Religio Romana,
your attempt at sarcasm seems out of place. I would direct you to The
Virtues page, and remind you that Veritas should not be replaced with
rudeness.

You then inquired:
Septimius: Please enlighten me as to this " Old Dianic tradition" .
It has nothing to do with Diana, does it? And if so, why is it Wiccan?
Maybe MY interpretation of Wiccan is of... So, forgive my ignorrance
on this matter.

Gaia Cassia: Please realize that anytime the word "Dianic" is mentioned, it
automatically results in a "knee-jerk" type of response from some people.
This branch of Wicca (31 years old now) has been well-documented elsewhere
and I would encourage you seek the answer yourself in whatever scholarly
approach
you practice.

You then asked:
Septimius: Really? then, how do you worship our gods. And continue to
worship in your tradition?

Gaia Cassia:
I practice my personal faith as others do in NR.

You then asked:
Septimius: Where do you find the information on Wiccans? And the
rituals from the ancestors of that form of observance?

Gaia Cassia: You don't need me to provide a methodology on scholarly
approach, I'm sure.

And finally, from you:
Septimius: The blurring must not continue. We've angered them once.And
look where it brought us. Each "pagan" faith has its own life
(respectively),. And so, we must treat them as such. As our spiritual
ancestors prayed at the gates of the city we were about to enter ( not
to anger those peoples' gods),We should respect eachothers' ways.
You make a heart felt assumption, Gaia Cassia.. But, as I will give
thought to your questions. I ask you to look over what I have written
as well.

Gaia Cassia: Your call for "no" blurring sounds a bit like Hitler's cry for
"racial purity". I note that on the Religio Romana page the Asatru Folk
Assembly is listed as a link. Perhaps this is where your true interests do
lie. The "racialist" of the Asatru broke from the "universalist" Asatru some
time ago (making the AFA and the Troth-affiliate two separate views of
Asatru)--and perhaps you might like to seek them out (They appear to be
studying Romana in one of their tribes in California.).
The Declaration of NR states: "Citizenship is NP is open to people of all
nationalities and races. The express purpose of our nation is to promote
international understanding and cooperation through the preservation of our
common Classical foundation, and to breathe new life and honor into all
Western Civilization through the restoration of ancient Piety, Virtue, and
Civilitas." Feb, '98
---this is why I joined NR.

I do thank you again for sharing your views with me, it's good to meet others
in NR that are willing to share openly, without thought to any "hidden
agenda".

Vale,
In Her Service,
Blessed Be,
Gaia Cassia Fortunata

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Keeping track of candidates
From:	"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:50:53 +0100

Campaign statement

Caius Puteus Germanicus omnibus salutem!

I stand before you and the eternal Gods of Rome and declare myself candidate in front of the Senatus and the People of Rome for the office of ROGATOR and the office of QUAESTOR for the year 2755 AUC.

I react to the message of M. Octavius Germanicus, candidate Consul, Senator and Curator Araneum in which he indicates there are still people needed for the office of Rogator and Quaestor.

I stress that, being appointed Rogator by decision of the senate for just one month, I see little possibility to do my duty as a citizen of Rome and a magistrate.
I hope to be able to continue in the position of Rogator during the next year.

I also apply for a vacancy as Quaestor, mentionned also by M. Octavius Germanicus. I am aware of the fact that, since I've not been a citizen of Nova Roma for six months yet, I do not entirely qualify for this position. I do however refer to the Constitution of Nova Roma in which is indicated that, when the res publica is in short of quaestores, they can be appointed by the responsible magistrates as well.

I consider taking up this responsabilty for the following reasons. I have been an active civis from day one, on the main list, provincial lists, religio romana list and others. I have been cooperating in the establishment of a website for our region Germania Inferior with the authority of Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis / Section Chief of the Sodalitas Egressus for Germania Inferior and Western Europe. This site has been growing ever since. I'm also taking my responsabilty as a Rogator seriously. I have been a member of the organising comitee for the first meeting of our cives within our region, which is taking place on December 29. I'm a practitioner of the Religio Romana, as you can see on my homepage. I honor the patron deities of my gens at my lararium every day. I've already learned a lot from the Religio Romana list and continue to do so every day. You may also remember a lot of messages concerning politics and other affairs both on the main list and Nova Roma Europe.

PROGRAM

Whenever elected as Rogator, I will continue to take this office as serious as possible to assure, together with my colleagues, that the voting process both for leges and the general elections can take place as the constitutio prescribes it. I will personally intensify relations with other rogatores via mail, ICQ or MSN Messenger or any other means of contact to assure that results will be sent to the responsable magistrates in time.

Whenever elected as Quaestor, I will look at the tax legislation together with the other responsable magistrates, to assure that Nova Roma has enough means to contunue to grow and, eventually, concretise its plans for sponsoring, obtain land etc. A lot of questiones have been raised from different provinciae concerning provincial taxes as well. Once legislation is in place, Nova Roma will be able to establish ambitous projects and of course a budget that gives possibilities to all magistrates in organising activities.

PROPOSAL

I make the following proposal, before the eyes of the Gods and before you, the people, magistrates and senators of Rome:

As I'm well aware of the fact that, since I haven't been a citizen for six months, I do not entirely qualify for the job as quaestor. I want to put myself at the disposition of the Res Publica anyway. First of all, it is up to the people to decide whether they consider me fit for the job or not. I do however want to avoid a bombing of my mailbox with criticism because of a too ambitious project. I will maintain my candidacy as long as this is allowed by the responsable magistrates and the senate, and will withdraw as soon as there are enough other candidates that do qualify more for the position of Quaestor for various reasons. There are 8 quaestores needed and uptil now there are 5 candidates. Whenever I am obliged to withdraw by a magistral or senatorial act, I will do so and keep myself at disposition of the res publica in other ways. I also stress that in our constitutio it is stipulated that, whenever there are not enough candidates for questor, they can be appointed by the responsible magistrates as well. I keep myself at the disposition of the newly elected crew, who can decide themselves whether to use my services or not, whenever this decision is not to be made by the people.

Vale optime in pace Deorum!

Caius Puteus Germanicus
November 25, 2754.

www.geocities.com/Caius_Puteus_Germanicus/campaign.html

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Germania Inferior : mission statement
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:58:49 -0500


Subject:	[novaroma] What is a Curator differium?
From:	"Claudius Salix Davianus" <davius_sanctex@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:21:16 +0100

Parcite mihi cives sed non ineptus sectator sum principalis listae,
quid est vero "curator differium"? Qui tipus magistraturae est haec?
Quid de attributionibus suis?

Grates vobis do,
Claudius Salix Davianus
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My Apologies citizens, I am a bad reader of the main list,
what is exactly a "curator differium"? What type of magistrature is?
What about his/her attributions?

Thank you
Claudius Salix Davianus

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�meinon g�r ol�gon orth�s � pol�n kak�s pr�ksai chr�non.
[Praestat exiguum recteque quam multum perperamque tempus agere]

Flavius Claudius Iulianus, imperator romanorum

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Subject:	R: [novaroma_europe] Re: [novaroma] Keeping track of candidates
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:40:57 +0100

Franciscus Apulus Caesar omnibus S.P.D.

I'm proud to announce the website of my italica gens, Gens Apula: www.gensapula.too.it
Gens Apula is one of the most important and active Gens in Provincia Italia and accept new cityzens.
It's a little website with the Album civium of the Gens, the Gods and the history of the gens' land. I want create other pages too, like a local archoelogical section, Gods' research, mhytes about the ancient Apulia.
Sorry, english version coming soon. Thank you for your interest.
Valete bene.

Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Provincia Italia
Paterfamilias Gens Apula
www.gensapula.too.it
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Alme Sol ... Possis Nihil Urbe Roma Visere Maius

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Subject:	[novaroma] UT Clan?
From:	"Gaius Cornelius Publicus" <gaius-cornelius-publicus@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:26:18 -0800

Just curious, is there currently a UT (unreal tournament) NR clan? If not
are there any players out there interested in being part of one?

My current clan is lame, I need a new one to continue smacking down the
teener punks. :)

Seems like a good community building project too (there is nothing like
running around with a rocket launcher shooting everything that moves to bind
people together). Also there is the added benefit of harnessing technology
to bring back the games in a, ah, less dangerous venue?

Any interested parties could of course email me privately...

Publicus


Subject:	[novaroma] Candidacy as Questor
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Gaius=20Quirinus=20Caesar?= <gaius_quirinus_caesar@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:52:01 +0100 (CET)

Gaius Quirinus Caesar Italicus Quiritibus SPD
I, Gaius Quirinus Caesar Italicus, citizen of Nova
Roma since 2001/06/07, stand in front of the eternal
Gods of Rome present my candidacy as Questor for the
year 2755 AUC.

I've one point for in my campaign:
if I will be elected I will use the maximum
transapency: everey citizen _MUST_ know where his
donations or taxes will go and what will the Senate do
with his money.

As you can see I'm not an active citizen here, in the
Main List, but only for a problem of language: I don't
know english very well -but I've an idea to superate
this problem- so I'm one of most active citizens of my
Provincia: Provincia Italia.

Thanks for your time and patience.
Vale,
Gaius Quirinus Caesar Italicus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Candidate for Tribunus Plebis
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20Arminius=20Maior?= <marminius@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:14:53 -0300 (ART)

Salvete Quirites

Today, i stand before you to offer my services as
Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma for the next year.

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Who i am

Im a brazilian, 30 years old, citizen of Nova Roma
since july 2000.

I was elected Aedilis Plebeius for this year, and with
the collaboration with my scriba, S Apollonius Draco,
and my colleagues Aediles, organized the Cerealia
Festival, at last april.

Im Propraetor of Brazil since january, and began the
difficult task of organizing my province; currently,
there are 13 novaroman cives in the provincial
brasilian list, located at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nrbrasil
and a great provincial meeting is planned for the next
year.

Im scriba of the Curator Araneum, M Octavius
Gemanicus, since january, in charge of the Novaroman
annales, who are at:
http://www.novaroma.org/annales/

Im censorial scribe, in charge of recovering the
informations of novaroman magistrates and updating
their century points;

And before being a novaroman magistrate, i created
maps who depicts the novaroman provinces, that now
decorate the Album Provinciarum page:
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/provinciae

Soon, i will present my electoral platform; im at
disposal of our cives to answer every question that
arises.

Valete
Marcus Arminius Maior
Propraetor, Provincia Brasilia
Paterfamilias Arminiae

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Germania Inferior : mission statement
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:11:40 +0100

Salve Caeso Fabius,

Ah yes, I was curious if other provincia has such statements made. I was not
aware that Canada Orientalis the sister province of Canada Occidentalis had
such document. Just more of a reason for my own province to look into such a
thing. =)

Caeso, where can these documents to be found? I would love to take a look at
them.

Vale,

"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Candidate for Aediles Curules
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia

Salvete Omnes!

I just want to inform all, that I have sent some documents to Honorable
Amulius Claudius Petrus privately. It is also possible to find some more
documents of interest for Provincial administration on the Thule website:
http://thule.novaroma.org/ go to Edicts there. My dear Praeco Aranei
Honorable Titus Octavius Pius haven't had the time to put all documents
there. I have issued 31 Edicta and 9 Renuntationes, You know and to put
them on the website in a good looking way is quite a job! ;-) All these
documents should be in the Nova Roma Archives.

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quaestor of Nova Roma
Propraetor of Thule

CANDIDATE FOR CURULE AEDILE 2755

The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an offical opinion of Nova Roma
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