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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Withdrawal of Candidacy for Rogator
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:07:26 -0600 (CST)

Salve Gai Minuci,

> Apparently I need to read the Constitution a bit more closely!! I was
> unaware of the prohibition of running for Rogator while also running for
> another office,

Actually, the prohibition is against running for office while you are
already serving as Rogator - i.e., counting the votes in your own
election. You can still run for Rogator simultaneously with another
office. If elected, the prohibition would come into play a year from
now.

> Due to this restriction I hereby withdraw my candidacy for Rogator,
> and apologize for the error.

That's quite understandable, and I'm sorry I did not mention it when
first calling for candidates.

However, I do intend to ease this restriction if elected Consul - I will
introduce a lex calling for separate Rogatores for each Comitia, so that
Rogatores are free to run in the other Comitia.

Vale, Octavius.

--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Curator Araneum et Senator
Candidate for Consul MMDCCLV
http://www.konoko.net/~haase/


Subject:	[novaroma] Rogatores
From:	"rabotnik@" <rabotnik@-------->
Date:	Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:56:46 -0000

Salvete!
I Petrus Domitianus Artorinus Longinus propose my candidacy for
position of Rogator
Vale bene!

Petrus Domitianus A.L
Provincia Venedia

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Subject:	[novaroma] Franciscus Apulus Caesar for Quaestor / Vigintisexvirum
From:	"Franciscus Apulus Caesar" <sacro_barese_impero@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:53:29 +0100

Franciscus Apulus Caesar omnibus S.P.D.

In the repect of Ancient Rome, of Gods and of the Nova Roma Istitutions, I, Franciscus Apulus Caesar, present you my candidacy as Quaestor to serve, protect, support and improve the Nova Roman Res Publica and my Magistrates.

POLITICAL AIMS:
It's sure you don't know me, I'm an Homo novus, I didn't covered public, central or provincial Offices. But this is my point of force: What means homo novus? In Ancient Rome was the new and young and unknown (in political matters) man able to be important, to make historical actions, to improve and change the political situation. I'm this, I'm proud of this because I feel to improve Nova Roma.
I see a "real democratic" micronation, based on the personal work rather the riches of each cives. I want a Nova Roma open and free to everybody, without taxes, with equal access to the administration, local and central. I see a State without discriminations, without political prejudices and with rights and citizenship for everybody, sons too. I want an equal importance and partecipation between European and American Provinciae meeting the two different Nova Roman point of view (this is fantastic for me!). In the same time I would understand the situation of our population: I want fight and win the bad sore of inactivity adopting new practical ways of control and goad, like best and more partecipation to the social life (ludi, meeting, workshop, researches, etc.), a census, a new website, more interest to the artistic, historical and cultural researches, etc.
I know my declaration is too strong for the majority of you and I seem too progressist and utopian, but this is my personal dream realyzing in my cursus honorum. And I know I'll lose votes with my declaration, but an homo novus must be uncomfortable, reactionary (in a civil and political way), different and in the same way ready, intelligent and wise to serve elected magistrates and follow they in any decision serving the Res Publica, the most important aim.

PERSONAL FEATURES:
I'm the Paterfamilias of the Gens Apula, a big Gens of the Provincia Italia, www.gensapula.too.it. I'm very engaged to relunch my Provincia, to make it big and important in Europe and Nova Roma. Here I'm candidate to the Propraetorship too and in any way I want work to improve my land. I'm the designer and web master of the official provincial website under construction, the creator of the official forum and census and I have a lot of projects in my mind about the grow of other European Provinciae like Romania. My future works are the re-management of the first official european meeting in Italy and the management of the first Nova Roman Web Award. I hope to work in a good way!
In the daily life I'm living in South-Italy, I'm 24 years old and I'm a the web design/art director for the Public Administrations' communication. I'm the director of the MALAG, a liberation-humoristic organization and I'm engaged in political and humanitaire activities. I'm studing Political Sciences at the University and here my hobbies are the research of the ancient and pre-modern political doctrines and philosophies to understand our actual social system.

I have a little vineyard in a ancient roman city. Often I love sit down in this field and admire the rest of the walls, the little house doors and I take the rests of the vases under the ground. I thing about the splendour and the magnimity of Rome and I thing an actual society based on the roman democracy and right. I want invite you in my little vineyard ...

I run for the Office of Vigintisexvirum too because I want start my cursus honorum and realyze my personal political dreams to help the grow of Nova Roma.

Please, support me in the election of Propraetorship of Provincia Italia.

In a different and frindly way I support Gaius Quirinus Caesar as Quaestor too because he a good cives and very engaged in the Nova Roman and provincial social life.

Valete et bonam fortunam

Franciscus Apulus Caesar
-------------------------------------------
Provincia Italia
Paterfamilias Gens Apula
www.gensapula.too.it
----------------------------------------
Alme Sol ... Possis Nihil Urbe Roma Visere Maius

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Rogatores Needed.
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:29:56 -0600 (CST)

Salve Gnae Salix,

> I don't want to be sound like a bastard :-), but it seems to me that
> one of our current rogatores is running for two offices. Am I correct?

Unfortunately, he cannot, due to the Lex Minucia de Rogatoribus.
I've already written to Caius Puteus about this.

Vale, Octavius.

--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Curator Araneum et Senator
Candidate for Consul MMDCCLV
http://www.konoko.net/~haase/


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Franciscus Apulus Caesar for Quaestor / Vigintisexvirum
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:31:11 -0500

Salve;

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar [mailto:sacro_barese_impero@--------]
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 6:53 PM
>
> In the repect of Ancient Rome, of Gods and of the Nova Roma
> Istitutions, I, Franciscus Apulus Caesar, present you my
> candidacy as Quaestor to serve, protect, support and improve the
> Nova Roman Res Publica and my Magistrates.
>
> POLITICAL AIMS:
> It's sure you don't know me, I'm an Homo novus, I didn't covered
> public, central or provincial Offices. But this is my point of
> force: What means homo novus? In Ancient Rome was the new and
> young and unknown (in political matters) man able to be
> important, to make historical actions, to improve and change the
> political situation. I'm this, I'm proud of this because I feel
> to improve Nova Roma.
> I see a "real democratic" micronation, based on the personal work
> rather the riches of each cives. I want a Nova Roma open and free
> to everybody, without taxes, with equal access to the
> administration, local and central.

Three questions.

First, as Quaestor, you could conceivably be assigned to one of next year's
Consuls, and thus find yourself charged with collecting those taxes you
oppose. If elected, would your opposition to taxes interfere with your
ability to perform that duty?

Second, it is the Senate which has the power to levy taxes under our
Constitution. Why do you believe that your opinion on whether taxes are
appropriate or not is relevant to your election as Quaestor?

Third, do you believe that local and central administration is not open to
everyone? You seem to imply such in your statement. If so, why, and what
would you do to change it?

> I want an equal importance
> and partecipation between European and American Provinciae
> meeting the two different Nova Roman point of view (this is
> fantastic for me!)..

What of our South American and Pacific provincia?

> In the same time I would understand the
> situation of our population: I want fight and win the bad sore of
> inactivity adopting new practical ways of control and goad, like
> best and more partecipation to the social life (ludi, meeting,
> workshop, researches, etc.), a census, a new website, more
> interest to the artistic, historical and cultural researches, etc.

Wonderful!

> Please, support me in the election of Propraetorship of Provincia Italia.

Is this a typo? You're running for Quaestor, not governor (especially since
governors aren't popularly elected).

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Consul


Subject:	[novaroma] Market Day Chat and Elections
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date:	Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:50:12 -0500

Salvete cives et amici,

Tomorrow is a market day. I am curious if any candidates for the comming
election would be interested in forming a debate or question period for the
citizens of Nova Roma tomorrow in the chat room around 9pm US/Eastern (6pm
Pacific, 8pm, 7pm UK). I know it is short notice, and completely understand
if tomorrow won't work. If so maybe we could organise something together on
the next market day after on the 5th. If you are interested post something
up, it would be great if we could get a good turn out for this, it could
also provide the citizens voting with much needed information on the
different agendas proposed.

Vale,

"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"

( I am running for Aediles Curules. Please visit my campaign website at
http://www.virtue.nu/amclaudius/index.htm )

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Candidate for Aediles Curules
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia

Canada Orientalis Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/canorien

Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Market Day Chat and Elections
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:04:35 -0800

Avete Omnes,

I cannot chat while I am at work..but I am always on AIM, my handle is NovaRoman. I will try to be in the chatroom prior to going to work (3 pm California Time).

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Amulius Claudius Petrus
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 5:50 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Market Day Chat and Elections

Salvete cives et amici,

Tomorrow is a market day. I am curious if any candidates for the comming
election would be interested in forming a debate or question period for the
citizens of Nova Roma tomorrow in the chat room around 9pm US/Eastern (6pm
Pacific, 8pm, 7pm UK). I know it is short notice, and completely understand
if tomorrow won't work. If so maybe we could organise something together on
the next market day after on the 5th. If you are interested post something
up, it would be great if we could get a good turn out for this, it could
also provide the citizens voting with much needed information on the
different agendas proposed.

Vale,

"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"

( I am running for Aediles Curules. Please visit my campaign website at
http://www.virtue.nu/amclaudius/index.htm )

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Candidate for Aediles Curules
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia

Canada Orientalis Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/canorien

Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--


Subject:	[novaroma] Election Website
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:22:05 -0600 (CST)

Salvete Quirites,

The list of candidates for office, with links to declarations of candidacy,
personal profile pages, and campaign websites (if any) can be found at:

http://www.novaroma.org/election/2754/index.html

(I am still adding Quaestores and Vigintisexviri, they will appear later
tonight or tomorrow).

Please email me any corrections.

Valete, Octavius.
Candidate for Consul.

--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Curator Araneum et Senator
Candidate for Consul MMDCCLV
http://www.konoko.net/~haase/


Subject:	[novaroma] Support for Marcus Octavius Germanicus
From:	Shane Evans <marcusafricanus@-------->
Date:	Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:27:41 -0800 (PST)

As Legate of Lacus Magni Orientalis, I pledge my
support for Senator Marcus Octavius Germanicus's
election to Consul.

M. Scipio Africanus

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Subject:	[novaroma] DECLARATION OF CANDIDACY- CURATRIX SERMONIS
From:	"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@-------->
Date:	Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:28:15 -0500

Salve,

I come before the Gods and People of Rome this day to announce my candidacy
for the position of Curatrix Sermonis for the coming year.

I do not take this step lightly. I have, in fact, carefully weighed this
decision prior to making this announcement. My friends, the position of
Curator Sermo is a crucial one to our Nation. The Main List is our primary
forum for communication and is quite often the first public "face" we show
to new and prospective citizens. It is imperative that whomever holds the
position of Curator Sermo be an individual who has shown themselves to be
responsible, fair-minded, dedicated to duty and a consistent presence within
our Nation.

With all due modesty, I believe my term in office as Curatrix Sermonis this
past year has proven to fulfill the requirements above. I have thoroughly
enjoyed my term of office, in particular I have been pleased to institute
various measures which have made this List both easier to use and harder to
"troll". I must also mention that, although my actions as Curatrix have not
always well received by some, I am proud to say that I have *always* acted
as I felt best served the needs of our Nation.

The smooth and efficient running of this List is of paramount concern to
this Nation. We, as a People, can ill afford to see this forum fall into
neglect and/or suffer the personal politics of any one individual. I am
pleased to announce, with her blessing, that, should I be elected, Pompeia
Cornelia Strabo has agreed to serve another term as my scriba. As you all
know, Pompeia is a very hard-working and fair-minded woman who has done an
outstanding job this year as Scriba. I would be most honored to serve with
her again in maintaining the integrity and dignity of this List. We need a
Curatrix Sermonis who has the welfare and best interest of the entire List
as their primary goal, not a Curator who is running on a one plank platform
against a single Policy which he himself finds onerous.

My friends, think carefully about the direction you would have this List
take in the coming year. I would like to have the opportunity to continue
the hard work and smooth operation here which I have provided to date. I
very much hope that you will vote for me and, therefore, vote to see this
List remain a productive Forum for communication, carefully tended by myself
and Pompeia, who have already proven our dedication and results-oriented
method of team-work.

My thanks for your attention. And please, no matter which candidates you
vote *for*, be sure to *vote*.

Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Market Day Chat and Elections
From:	"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@-------->
Date:	Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:33:13 -0500

Salve,

I would be pleased to participate in such a chat. I would only be able to
dedicate about an hour to the chat, unfortunately, given the short notice,
but I think it is a very worthwhile idea. Please keep me posted as to
whether the event will go forward as proposed.

Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena

>
> Tomorrow is a market day. I am curious if any candidates for the comming
> election would be interested in forming a debate or question
> period for the
> citizens of Nova Roma tomorrow in the chat room around 9pm US/Eastern (6pm
> Pacific, 8pm, 7pm UK). >

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: What is a Curator differium?
From:	"Teleri ferch Nyfain" <rckovak@-------->
Date:	Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:59:42 -0500

Salvete
Her duty, in this case, LOL
Vale bene
Helena Galeria
Curator Differium

----- Original Message -----
From: Fortunatus
To: novaroma@--------
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:46 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: What is a Curator differium?

Salvete Claudi Salix omnesque

> My Apologies citizens, I am a bad reader of the main list,
> what is exactly a "curator differium"? What type of magistrature is?
> What about his/her attributions?

The Curator Differum is a member of the Vigintisexviri. His duty is
to produce, publish, and distribute the Eagle, Nova Roma's official
news letter.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus


Subject:	[novaroma] Reforming The Tribuni Plebis
From:	"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@-------->
Date:	Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:08:44 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Quirites,

Rather than simply make a short list of my agenda if
you decide to entrust me as Tribuni Plebis, I intend
to bring up my goals in seperate posts so that they
can be discussed in more detail.

I will begain by discussing the pressing need to
reform the magistracy I seek. Currently the
Intercessio is too weak. Both of the Tribunes have to
agree, and given the nature of factions it's possible
that we could have tribunes from different factions
who would place the needs of a faction ahead of Nova
Roma's needs making an intercessio impossible.

This problem is made worse if a tribune leaves Nova
Roma without resigning. Then we are left with a single
tribune and NO posibility of an intercessio, no matter
how bad it's needed. This year we have seen a Tribune
resign his office and citizenship, leaving us with a
single Tribune until an Election could be held.
Shortly after the Election the Tribune we elected
vanished. We have spent most of this year with NO
posibility of an intercessio. We were lucky this time.
The high intregity of our Magistrates meant we didn't
need an intercessio this time, but we might not be so
lucky in some future year.

The proposal that was defeated earlier this year by a
quirk of the law rather than by the will of the people
would have increased the number of Tribunes to the
historic number of five that existed in the early days
of the republic. This would make it VERY unlikely that
we would ever have only a single Tribune. It would
have given us a more historic model of having the
Tribunes concur on an intercessio, the method used in
the early days of the Republic, which was less prone
to abuse than the Intercessio used in the later days
of the Republic.

Quirites,
If you entrust me with the office of Tribuni Plebis, I
Promise you that I will work with the Consuls to bring
this measure to another vote.

Valete,
L. Sicinius Drusus,
Canidate for Tribuni Plebis,
Propraetor America Austrorientalis

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] DECLARATION OF CANDIDACY- CURATRIX SERMONIS
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date:	Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:04:37 -0500

Salvete cives et amici,

I am so glad to see that that Priscilla Vedia Serena is running for Curatrix
Sermonis. There has been criticism of how this list is run at times,
although for the most part I have been very pleased with the dedication, and
fairness shown by Priscilla Vedia Serena. For the benefit of this list I
ask that you all vote and show your support for this citizen in her campaign
to be Curatrix Sermonis for next year for she can continue her excellent
service to us all on the main list.

Vale,

"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"

( I am running for Aediles Curules. Please visit my campaign website at
http://www.virtue.nu/amclaudius/index.htm )

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Candidate for Aediles Curules
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia

Canada Orientalis Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/canorien

Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: DECLARATION OF CANDIDACY- CURATRIX SERMONIS
From:	ksterne@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:18:53 -0000

Salvete,

I wish to endorse the candidacy of Priscilla Vedia Serena for
Curatrix Sermonis and indded to thank her for her willingness to
continue to do a job, which I am sure is much work. I ask my fellow
cives to give her their votes.

By the way, I think she will make a pretty damn good Censor also!

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laneas


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Election Website
From:	ksterne@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:27:14 -0000

Salve Marce Octavi,

OUTSTANDING!

Thank you.

Vale,
Gaius Popillius Laenas


Subject:	[novaroma] Palladius Endorses Sulla for Consul
From:	bcatfd@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 04:20:33 -0000

Salvete,

I hereby endorse my friend, the outgoing Censor, Senator Lucius
Cornelius Sulla Felix for the office of Consul. I have known him
since he joined Nova Roma over 3.5 years ago (has it really been that
long? Incredible!). He has ably served Nova Roma since the beginning
in progressively important and demanding jobs as Quaestor, Praetor,
Consul Suffectus and Censor. Especially as censor he has has left his
mark on Nova Roma and made Nova Roma a better place because of his
involvement.

I think he will do an excellent job as consul. We served as co-
consuls together 2 years ago when he was Consul Suffectus and in the
few short months of his consulship he made a vital contribution to
the Republic by authoring and co-authoring laws and by always being
available to the citizenry to answer their questions and aid them. He
did an excellent job as consul for a few months, he will be
outstanding as consul for an entire year. He will put his heart into
the position as he has in every other office he has held in Nova
Roma.

I encourage you all to support Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix for
consul. I am proud to have been the one to name him Felix in this
very forum and am proud to come before you now to ask you to cast
your vote for him.

Valete,

Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus,
Senator Consularis, Paterfamilias Gens Iunia


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Market Day Chat and Elections
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Craig=20Stevenson?= <gaiussentius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:23:42 +1100 (EST)

Salve Amulius Claudius et civies,

I for one would be more than willing to participate,
but find it difficult to commit to a time, as there is
quite a space of time between Europe\America where
most of the civies live, and where I am in Australia.
If you could set a time that would be congenial to me
(within decent hours - I'll be available most of the
day) that would be great!

Vale bene omnes,

Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura

Candidate for Aedilis Plebis

--- Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> wrote:

<HR>
<html><body>
<tt>
 
Salvete cives et amici, 
 
Tomorrow is a market day. I am curious if any
candidates for the comming 
election would be interested in forming a debate or
question period for the 
citizens of Nova Roma tomorrow in the chat room around
9pm US/Eastern (6pm 
Pacific, 8pm, 7pm UK). I know it is short notice, and
completely understand 
if tomorrow won't work. If so maybe we could organise
something together on 
the next market day after on the 5th. If you are
interested post something 
up, it would be great if we could get a good turn out
for this, it could 
also provide the citizens voting with much needed
information on the 
different agendas proposed. 
 
Vale, 
 
"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est
mater virtutum" 
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is
often the mother of virtues" 
 
( I am running for Aediles Curules. Please visit my
campaign website at 
<a
href="http://www.virtue.nu/amclaudius/index.htm">http://www.virtue.nu/amclaudius/index.htm</a>
) 
 
-- 
Amulius Claudius Petrus 
Candidate for Aediles Curules 
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis 
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis 
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia 
Canada Orientalis Provincia 
 
Canada Orientalis Website: 
www.freehost.nu/members/canorien 
 
Gens Claudia Website: 
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/ 
-- 
 
 
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Response to Antonius Corvus Septumius
From:	Antonius Corvus Septimius <antoniuscorvusseptimius@-------->
Date:	Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:36:53 -0800 (PST)

--- Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> wrote:
>
> --- antoniuscorvusseptimius@-------- wrote:
> > --- In novarom
a@--------, Sanctaluna3@a... wrote:
> > > Salve,
>
> > > SEPTIMIUS: The Celtic "issue" was used to make
> my
> > point on how
> > blending Roman gods with others, can change the
> way
> > perform our
> > rites.And observe our festivals. This is not to
> say
> > that its wrong for
> > everyone to do (DISCLAIMER FOR THE FAINT OF
> > HEART).But I tend to think
> > there is a point where we should stop diluting one
> > religion to pasify
> > another (or other people).
>
> Maximina responds: Because other "foreign"
> religions
> are offered in Nova Roma does not mean a "blending"
> or
> "dilution" in Roman Rites.

SEPTIMIUS: First, in my PERSONAL OPINION (on how I
honor and observe the religio) yes. And, if rites from
a foreign religion are offered to a Roman diety
(within Roman rites), this is a blending or dilution
by definition.Respectfully, (AND I MEAN THAT) if I
make an offereing to an Ehyptian god in the only
manner I know how (which is how I would make an
offering within the rites of the religio Romana), I
would more than likely make that diety upset with not
making an offering according to the rites that the
diety is accustomed to. Not to mention disrespecting
the ancestors of that religion with my ignorrance.

> My personal religion is Kemet Orthodoxy (Ancient
> Egyptian Religion) as practiced by the House of
> Netjer,
> http://www.kemet.org (if you wish more info).

SEPTIMIUS: Yes, I've looked into it. Thank you.

> In fact, the cult of Isis (Aset)[origin: Egyptian]
> had
> quite a large following which included, I believe,
> certain emporers. (I would have to check my source
> as
> to which ones, but I believe Augustus was a
> follower.)

SEPTIMIUS: But I am certain that the rites were not
according to the Religio Romana.

> If I am in error here, I apologize beforehand.
> Also, the cult of Mithras (orgin: Persian) was quite
> popular with Emporers, soldiers, pirates, seamen and
> traders of Rome.

SEPTIMIUS: Which in my opinion was the beginning of
the "turning away" from the Religio Romana... BUT that
is my soul opinion,. And nothing more

>
> Personally, I have no problem with practicing the
> rituals ascribed to my religion and supporting
> Religio
> Romana.

SEPTIMIUS: I have studied the ancient Egyptian beliefs
myself :) That is something that we have in common.
The intollerance of other religions came later in our
history. Myself, I whole heartedly am an observer and
loving devotee of the gods of Rome. BUt in no way do I
look over my shoulder at anyone elses beliefs (or
gods) and sneer at them. This, I believe is what made
it easier for those who had alterior motives, to
change a persons' mind about their own beliefs.

The fact is, many religions derived much of
> their dogma from Egyptian religion which predates
> almost every other religion practised in Rome or
> Greece.

SEPTIMIUS: Actually, the Minoan culture was the basis
of these.. But then again, what does it matter who's
religion is older? Besides, there were tribes on the
Italian pininsula that were observing their own
distinct religions much before the time of... well..
It doesnt matter, does it? :)

This includes Judaism and Christianity,
> i.e.
> compare the 42 "commandments" of Ancient Egyptian
> religion and the 10 of the Judeo-Christian
> religions.

SEPTIMIUS: In the Jewish faith, there are over 300
commandments. In the Christian faith, there are
ten.Each religion has its restrictions.

>
> How does what I practice in my home affect how Roman
> rites are practiced?

SEPTIMIUS: If you observe Ka Sekhmet with what I would
offer my beloved Venus (different dieties not
connected in any way), would that be at the very
least.... disrespectful to either goddess? If that is
what you mean by this passage.. I nor anyone else
should care what you do to honor the gods of your
choice.But, if rituals intended for a specific
purpose, are used in a different belief system (or
religion), that is a blending.

I think you are reaching here
> to
> try to prove a weak point. I see no conflict and can
> easily separate the two into two independently
> distinct rituals.

SEPTIMIUS: I never mentioned that you couldnt. I would
never ask such a thing, as not to.

You may even have seen my avid
> support of Religio Romana in the past. We also
> have
> many Christians and Jews who support and encourage
> Religio Romana as I do. I dare say, some pratice the
> Romana rituals as well.

SEPTIMIUS: well, if either one of Christian faith. Or
one of Jewish faith would observe the rites of the
religio.. That would contradict their own respective
beliefs.

>
> > > I did write:
> > > I can only conclude that Antonius Gryllus
> Graecus
> > means that non-NR
> > > members think that Wiccans "�worship the Roman
> > Gods in Strange foreign
> > > ways, etc."
> > >
> > > You then responded:
> > > Septimius: Wiccans that observe the Religio
> > Romana? In the pagan
> > > world.. that would be like a Jewish person
> > believing in Ala ( or
> > > incorporating the Koran into the Torah[forgive
> the
> > bluntness of my
> > > analogy]). Yes, they belive in one god. But are
> > still worlds apart in
> > > observance, as well as dogma.
> > >
> > > Gaia Cassia:
> > > Since there are people from all faiths in NR
> that
> > observe the
> > Religio Romana,
> > > your attempt at sarcasm seems out of place. I
> > would direct you to The
> > > Virtues page, and remind you that Veritas should
> > not be replaced with
> > > rudeness.
> >
> >
> > SEPTIMIUS: The virtues page? Sorry, the virtues
> are
> > in my heart.Not on
> > a web site. Rude? I prefer forward.. or Honest..
>
> Maximina responds:
>
> You apparently choose to follow your own set of
> rules
> regarding virtues.

SEPTIMIUS: Is that so? Who made you curator of the
virtues?

Interpretation of virtues can be
> preverted by anyone, I think that is why they are
> spelled out on the NR website. Rude is Rude by any
> standard and in my eyes you are rude and sarcastic
> in
> your replies to Gaia Cassia.
> Just because your heart tells you so, doesn't make
> it
> right. A criminal is also guided by his heart and
> his
> heart's desire, but it does not make him virtuous,
> popular, right or righteous.

SEPTIMIUS: You know absolutely nothing about me.Nor I
of you. May I say that your assumptions are very much
incorrect. And sarcasm cannot be easily defined in
writting. I also dare to say, that I am not that
strong a writter:)

> >
> Septimius: Please enlighten me as to this " Old
> > Dianic tradition" .
> > > It has nothing to do with Diana, does it? And if
> > so, why is it Wiccan?
> > > Maybe MY interpretation of Wiccan is of... So,
> > forgive my ignorrance
> > > on this matter.
> > >
> Maximina: I hope you are open enough to re-examine
> *your* agenda and perhaps practicing a bit more
> tolerance toward other's beliefs.

SEPTIMIUS: I have always been. Ive stood up for
Christan Nova Romans, Jewish Nova Romans, and any
other belief that may come to grace us. Again, all I
was asking was for information on this person's
beliefs.
If this seemed to be a rude gesture, I apollogize.By
the way, what did you see in this passage that was so
horrible? My mispelling of OFF? :) Sorry.

>
> Vale bene,
> Maximina Octavia (Hail Augustus!)
>
SEPTIMIUS: Thank you for wishing me well.. I wish you
the same

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Subject:	[novaroma] Declaratio - Candiata Rogatoris
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <julilla@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:31:07 -0000

Julilla Sempronia Magna omnibus Novoramanis S.P.D.

Today I stand before you, figuratively speaking, in my white stola
and palla, to declare my candidacy for Rogator.

I take this step out of a deep conviction that, to be otherwise able
and eligible to serve and NOT step forward when there is a need is
not good citizenship.

My service thus far to Nova Roma has been confined to creating a Web
site for my province, America Boreoccidentalis (ambor.fws1.com), and
for VI years or so, I have maintained a Web site on daily life in
ancient Rome (julilla.tripod.com). From its inception to its fall, I
was also a remote site administrator for a large community called
AncientSites, and was there responsible for many tasks and duties
relating to the well-being of the community, including duties not
unlike our esteemed Curatrix Sermonis.

I greatly values our Roman virtues, and Veritas, Aequitas and Comitas
are virtues that I value above all.

NB: my native language is English; I also speak French and German and
am doing my darndest to survive declensions in my first quarter of
Latin.

May the gods look favourably upon my offering, and bonam Fortunam to
all candidates!

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| http://julilla.tripod.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| julilla@--------


Subject:	[novaroma] Response to Antonius Gryllus Graecus
From:	Sanctaluna3@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:56:04 EST

Salve,

I wish to thank you for your balanced, thoughtful, and gracious reply.

You ask how our temple worships the Lady Diana. First, we don't transfer
religious elements from one divine source (deity) to another. We see each
deity as a manifestation of a specific idea and source of power. Diana
Lucifera, the primary aspect of our Lady that we celebrate, is different from
Diana - Maiden of the Wildwoods. In the former She embodies the supreme
ability to control the four elements (standing upon earth, holding the torch,
the crescent crown, and the swirling scarf). And, of course, maiden Diana
represents something entirely different.
We shall be celebrating a Lectisternia for the Blue Moon this Friday, and
all Deities shall be welcomed and feasted according to their own attributes
and correspondences.

Specifically how we worship is unfortunately, something I cannot share.
Wiccan clergy make a solumn vows that all "workings" remain within the temple
and it's a responsiblity that this High Priestess takes seriously. In Wicca,
we don't share the construction of our rites. One reason is that Wiccan
rituals are developed on many different levels, and to the novice (whose
religious training might be scant), many elements may be misunderstood,
undervalued, or unknown. This then compromises the entire ritual, and that
could have unforeseen results. Wicca still follows - dispite the Llwellyn
onslaught of "fluff and stuff" (written material) - the final Law of the
Magus - "To Keep Silent"--Tacere.

We use material from a variety of cited secondary sources, including NR
source materials. Each ritual is constructed according to it's purpose,
intent, divine source needed (God/Goddess), season, moon cycle, daily
aspects, time of day, correspondences, attributes, etc. We then research at
least three sources to verify specific elements such as gestures, liturgy,
directions, ritual tools and offerings, etc.

I would like to see more documentation of some of NR's materials offered,
especially when it comes to :
Basic Principles of Roman Religion
Gods and Goddesses of Rome
Simple Daily Home Rites and Prayers
Nones Ritual
Kalends Ritual
Idus Ritual
Daily Lararium Rite
And since I've got your attention (I know the elections and holidays and
various debates, etc occupy your time), where would the citations be for the
gestures and phrases used? I may have missed the citations (which usually
immediately follow the document), and if so, please tell me where they're
located? (possibly in archives?)

You ask if we follow the NR guidelines for practicing Religio Romana, but I
didn't see that as a requirement to become a citizen. Did I miss this
requirement on the Membership form? If you want members to strictly adhere
to some guideline, then it should be specified on your form. Also
recommendations should be included with a "Welcome New Citizen" email on how
you wish members to worship. (or a suggestion on which pages to "check out")

Also, you may want to add a few items to the membership form, such as: What
is your spiritual path and philosophy?, What religious organizations
currently involved in and on what level? , Why do you want to join NR?, What
type of profession do you work in?, etc. Also, including a checklist of
skills and abilities would enable NR to encourage all citizens to participate
on many different levels.

Whew!

Vale bene,
In Her Service,
Blessed Be,
Gaia Cassia Fortunata

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Subject:	[novaroma] Response to Antonius corvus Septimius
From:	Sanctaluna3@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:58:38 EST

Salve,

As Maxima Octava has spoken, I find nothing further need be said.

Vale,
In Her Service,
Blessed Be,
Gaia Cassia Fortunata

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Election Website
From:	"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <julilla@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:42:35 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@c...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> The list of candidates for office, with links to declarations of
candidacy, personal profile pages, and campaign websites (if any) can
be found at:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/election/2754/index.html
>
> (I am still adding Quaestores and Vigintisexviri, they will appear
later tonight or tomorrow).
>
> Please email me any corrections.
>
> Valete, Octavius.
> Candidate for Consul.
>
> --
> M. Octavius Germanicus
> Curator Araneum et Senator
> Candidate for Consul MMDCCLV
> http://www.konoko.net/~haase/

Optime, Germanice! How good it is to have such an easy, readable
reference tool! I must say, a good electorate is a well-informed
electorate, and this is just the tool to help cives stay in the know.

Once again I must say 'plurimas gratias tibi ago' for your great Web
services. I know that I will consult this page often in the next few
weeks!

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| http://julilla.tripod.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| julilla@--------


Subject:	[novaroma] CANDICACY: Diocletianus for Censor
From:	"Matthias Stappert" <3s@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:30:45 -0000

Caius Flavius Diocletianus omnibus Quiritibus S.P.D.

After a long time of consideration, I�m now standing before you and
the eternal gods of Rome, in the white candidate�s Toga, to offer you
my service as Censor.

Currently I serve the Senate and the People of Nova Roma as Praetor.
Since I joined NR in March 2753 AUC, I felt myself obliged to serve
the Senate and the People of Nova Roma, as a first step as Legatus
Germaniae, until I was appointed governor of Germania this year. I�m a
member of the Sodalitas Militarium and the Sodalitas Egressus.

My current Nova Roma offices and my professional qualifications are
listed below. I offer you long-lasting knowledge in managing computers
and databases and 11 year�s experiences in public administration.

Personally I believe that it would be an asset to our res publica, to
have one Censor residing in Europe. Administrative tasks involved in
this office would make it very reasonable to conduct a certain amount
of Censor business from the continent where Roma antiqua itself lies
and so many citizens now live.

I�m 32 years old and live in Brilon, Germany.

Current Nova Roma Offices:

Senator
Praetor
Propraetor Germaniae
Limes Cooperation Scriba
Legatus Legionis, Sodalitas Militarium

Professional Qualifications:

Military Service in the German Federal Army (Paratroop Bn. 261,
Lebach/Saar), 1988-1990
Diploma in Public Administration (Public Service Academy, D�sseldorf),
1993
Diploma in Business Administration (Business Academy, Dortmund), 1997
Professional Official in a german City Government, 1993- today
- Staff Official for Municipality Law and Cultural Affairs, 1993-2000
- Advisor to the Mayor for administrative Reforms, 1994-2000
- Chief Official for Organization, Marketing, Information Technologies
1995-2000
- Liaison Offical, City Marketing and Business Affairs, 1997-2000
- Contact Official for the State in Administrative Reforms, 1998-2000
- Deputy Mayor, 2000- today

I hope that I convinced you about my abilities. If you have further
questions, don�t hesitate to ask. Mail 3s@-------- or visit
www.diocletian.de/elect/diocletianus.

Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Candidate for Censor


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Rogatores Needed.
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:14:46 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Quirites, et salve, Octavi.

--- Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> wrote:
> Salve Gnae Salix,
>
> > I don't want to be sound like a bastard :-), but it seems to me
> that
> > one of our current rogatores is running for two offices. Am I
> correct?
>
> Unfortunately, he cannot, due to the Lex Minucia de Rogatoribus.
> I've already written to Caius Puteus about this.
>
> Vale, Octavius.
>
> --
> M. Octavius Germanicus
> Curator Araneum et Senator
> Candidate for Consul MMDCCLV

Thank you for your quick response, sir. I just wanted to make sure that
we are doing everything according to the law.

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Market Day Chat and Elections
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:27:15 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Petre.

--- Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@--------> wrote:
>
> Salvete cives et amici,
>
> Tomorrow is a market day. I am curious if any candidates for the
> comming
> election would be interested in forming a debate or question period
> for the
> citizens of Nova Roma tomorrow in the chat room around 9pm US/Eastern
> (6pm
> Pacific, 8pm, 7pm UK). I know it is short notice, and completely
> understand
> if tomorrow won't work. If so maybe we could organise something
> together on
> the next market day after on the 5th. If you are interested post
> something
> up, it would be great if we could get a good turn out for this, it
> could
> also provide the citizens voting with much needed information on the
> different agendas proposed.

I am afraid to say that you have mada a mistake. 9 pm US/Eastern time
means 2 am GMT (in Great Britain and Portugal) and 3 am CET (in France,
Germany, Spain, Italy, and many other European states).

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Help with the provincial site of Gallia
From:	=?iso-8859-1?B?WWFubiBRdely6Q==?= <yquere@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:38:02 +0100

Salvete,

Gallia is quite despered because our webmaster resigned a few weeks ago. He
was replaced by a volunteer who lack time performing the new site. As
Germania Inferior is bound to be created, and was the receptacle of most of
the motivated Gaul citizens, there is not much people in Gallia to ensure
administration.

I also have difficulties nowadays, for personnal and professionnal reasons,
to give some time to Provincia Gallia. But patience, within one or two
months, I should be able to make all this up.

Bene Valete
Ianus Querius Armoricus Lutecio
Propraetor Galliae

----- Original Message -----
From: Ianus Minicius Sparsus <jfernandez50@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:58 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Help with the provincial site of Gallia

> Salvete,
>
> I have tried to enter the provincial site of Gallia. Is correct this
direction?. http://gallia.novaroma.org/
>
> Furthermore I haven't found its provincial list. Somebody can help me?.
>
> I. Minicius Sparsus
> (Hispania)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Election Website
From:	"rapax@--------" <rapax@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:08:05 +0200

Salve..

How can I thank you?I was thinking of hiring a secretary to
do this work!
Vale and Gratias
Publius Sentius Rutilianus Dexion

>Salvete Quirites,
>
>The list of candidates for office, with links to declarations of candidacy,
>personal profile pages, and campaign websites (if any) can be found at:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/election/2754/index.html
>
>(I am still adding Quaestores and Vigintisexviri, they will appear later
>tonight or tomorrow).
>
>Please email me any corrections.
>
>Valete, Octavius.
>Candidate for Consul.
>
>--
>M. Octavius Germanicus
>Curator Araneum et Senator
>Candidate for Consul MMDCCLV
>http://www.konoko.net/~haase/
>


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Election Website
From:	Maximina Octavia <myownq@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 04:26:00 -0800 (PST)

> Ave Pater >
> ---
> What a wonderful job you have done with the Election
website and continue to do for the Nova Roma website
in general.
It takes a great deal of time and committment to
consistently offer such quality.
Thank you for your efforts.

Vale, Maximina

>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: CANDICACY: Diocletianus for Censor
From:	"Diana Meridia Aurelia" <dhartig@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:42:43 -0000

Salvete, Quirites!

I would like to endorse the candidature of the honorable Praetor,
Senator and Propraetor Provinciae Germaniae Caius Flavius
Diocletianus as Censor.

As I am myself residing in the Province of Germania Superior, I have
known Praetor Diocletianus for over a year now.

He is, to me and no doubt to many other cives, in Germania and
beyond, an inspiring example of the highest standards in hard work;
devotion to the Res Publica; integrity; fairness, justice and an ever-
ready will to help in dealing with all who approach him, even with
the most trifling matters; so that I would not hesitate for a moment
to lend him my full support in his candidature for the important
office as Censor.

I am convinced he would fill this position with the dignitas he has
amply demonstrated in the offices he has hitherto been honoured with
and continue the excellent work of our honorable parting Censor Sulla.

Caius Flavius Diocletianus for Censor !

Valete,

Diana Meridia Aurelia

Scriba Propraetoria Germaniae Provinciae
Materfamilias gentis Meridiae


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Support for Marcus Octavius Germanicus
From:	Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 05:12:47 -0800 (PST)

I second that.

Marcus Bianchius Antonius

--- Shane Evans <marcusafricanus@--------> wrote:
> As Legate of Lacus Magni Orientalis, I pledge my
> support for Senator Marcus Octavius Germanicus's
> election to Consul.
>
> M. Scipio Africanus
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Candidacy For Rogator
From:	Centurion M Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 05:16:29 -0800 (PST)

> Salve,
>
> I come before the People of Nova Roma this day
> to announce my candidacy
> for the position of Rogator.

Vale,

Marcus Bianchius Antonius

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Response to Antonius Gryllus Graecus
From:	amg@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:56:43 -0000

Salve Gaia Cassia Fortunata

I think that I now realize your doubts about my words and those of
Corvus Septimius. I'm now going to explain.

> You ask how our temple worships the Lady Diana. First, we don't
transfer
> religious elements from one divine source (deity) to another. We
see each
> deity as a manifestation of a specific idea and source of power.
Diana
> Lucifera, the primary aspect of our Lady that we celebrate, is
different from
> Diana - Maiden of the Wildwoods. In the former She embodies the
supreme
> ability to control the four elements (standing upon earth, holding
the torch,
> the crescent crown, and the swirling scarf). And, of course,
maiden Diana
> represents something entirely different.
> We shall be celebrating a Lectisternia for the Blue Moon this
Friday, and
> all Deities shall be welcomed and feasted according to their own
attributes
> and correspondences.
Very well. I have only one remark concerning ritual correction which
you can follow if you want in order to improve the ritual. Female
goddesses received Sellisternia, not Lectisternia, this because their
simulacres were seated in 'sellae' (chair, the proper seats of roman
women during the familiar meals - see Valerius Maximus, Memorable
deeds and words, 2.1.2), rather than lying on the 'lectus'. See for
example the one of the 'sellisternia' held in the Ludi Saeculares of
17 BC:
"X [ma]tronae quibus denuntiatum erat XVvirorum verbis sellisternia
habuerunt / Iunoni et Dianae duab[us] sellis positis " (in CIMRM
32323).
"10 matronae to whom was announced by the Quindecemviri, held a
sellisternia, and to Iuno and Diana two sellae were prepared."

> Specifically how we worship is unfortunately, something I cannot
share.
> Wiccan clergy make a solumn vows that all "workings" remain within
the temple
> and it's a responsiblity that this High Priestess takes seriously.
In Wicca,
> we don't share the construction of our rites.
This would be understandable. It reminds us the ritual of Bona Dea on
May 1st or the rituals of Ceres imported from Magna Graecia (the
Eleusinian Mysteries at the Aventine temple of Ceres), although the
latter two was traditional and supported by the state (the Vestal
Vergins participated in the first, while the second was led by
the 'sacerdos publica cereris') while your Dianic community would
fall in the realm of "private religious communities", which of course
existed in ancient Rome, but were created by private citizens and not
supported by the state.

One reason is that Wiccan
> rituals are developed on many different levels, and to the novice
(whose
> religious training might be scant), many elements may be
misunderstood,
> undervalued, or unknown. This then compromises the entire ritual,
and that
> could have unforeseen results. Wicca still follows - dispite the
Llwellyn
> onslaught of "fluff and stuff" (written material) - the final Law
of the
> Magus - "To Keep Silent"--Tacere.
Well, as you may know this was a rare characteristic of traditional
roman cults. The only exceptions to the traditionally open cult of
the romans were the cults of Bona Dea, some parts of the cult of
Ceres (Demeter) imported from Greece, and some rituals connected to
gentilic cults (e.g. fratres Arvales). With the exception of the
GREEK cult of Ceres/Demeter, the other two were traditionally roman
and followed the same ritual practice of the public cults (the extant
descriptions, namely the inscriptions of the Fratres Arvales allow us
to conclude that), and no "mystery" was implied or existed to be
learned. Roman piety was more based on ritual, while mystical
teachings are not a roman characteristic. And this mystery
requiring "initiation" is then another odd thing I find in your
Dianic community, for mystery and initiation were not typical of
traditional roman religion. These elements were rather a part of more
oriental forms of piety. The initiation of a roman into a traditional
roman cult consisted on learning how to perform the ritual in the
correct FORM, according to the traditional rules for gesture and
speech, repeating exactly the same gestures and speech used by the
ancestors since the beginning of the cult in archaic times. After
that, he could do the ritual without danger of polluting the
community he represented with a sacrilege, impiety. Individual
interpretation or feelings were not a requirement and were not ruled.

> We use material from a variety of cited secondary sources,
including NR
> source materials. Each ritual is constructed according to it's
purpose,
> intent, divine source needed (God/Goddess), season, moon cycle,
daily
> aspects, time of day, correspondences, attributes, etc. We then
research at
> least three sources to verify specific elements such as gestures,
liturgy,
> directions, ritual tools and offerings, etc.
> I would like to see more documentation of some of NR's materials
offered,
> especially when it comes to :
> Basic Principles of Roman Religion
I agree that this is lacking. But some of the principle I have
explained above.

> Gods and Goddesses of Rome
> Simple Daily Home Rites and Prayers
> Nones Ritual
> Kalends Ritual
> Idus Ritual
> Daily Lararium Rite
> And since I've got your attention (I know the elections and
holidays and
> various debates, etc occupy your time), where would the citations
be for the
> gestures and phrases used? I may have missed the citations (which
usually
> immediately follow the document), and if so, please tell me where
they're
> located? (possibly in archives?)
Many of the works I use to quote, you can find at:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6946/literature.html

> You ask if we follow the NR guidelines for practicing Religio
Romana, but I
> didn't see that as a requirement to become a citizen. Did I miss
this
> requirement on the Membership form? If you want members to
strictly adhere
> to some guideline, then it should be specified on your form. Also
> recommendations should be included with a "Welcome New Citizen"
email on how
> you wish members to worship. (or a suggestion on which pages
>to "check out")
No. I did not say it is a requirement. I said that in order for one
to practice the Religio Romana, one must do it according to the
formal rules, many of which come from the time of Romulus and Numa.
Of course this should be more binding to magistrates and state
priests in public rites (as their ritual errors - if not expiated -
can pollute all the state), rather than private citizens. As to
private citizens, a roman of ancient times would really be willing to
do things right, as it is a roman belief that ritual error can cause
the rage of the gods. On the other hand, even if just for a question
of roman pride and respect for the his ancestors, a pious roman of
ancient times, even if not superstitious, would be willing to honour
the gods correctly according to the traditional rules (namely proud
patricians like Cato or Varro). Because of those beliefs/behaviours
it was common for private citizens to ask advice to the Pontifices as
to the correct way of honouring the household deities.

>
> Also, you may want to add a few items to the membership form, such
as: What
> is your spiritual path and philosophy?, What religious
organizations
> currently involved in and on what level? , Why do you want to join
NR?, What
> type of profession do you work in?, etc. Also, including a
checklist of
> skills and abilities would enable NR to encourage all citizens to
participate
> on many different levels.
Difficult to manage =P. But thank you for the sugestion, anyway.

Di te bene ament
Graecus


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Market Day Chat and Elections
From:	"C. Minucius Hadrianus" <shinjikun@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:50:49 -0500

Salve,

I'll be there as well, from 9:00 EST to whenever!

(No work tomorrow! - Yay!)

Vale,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Legate of Massachusetts
Scriba Propraetoris, Nova Britannia
Candidate for Quaestor

ICQ# 28924742

"Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." - Vegetius

-----Original Message-----
From: JusticeCMO [mailto:justicecmo@--------]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 9:33 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: RE: [novaroma] Market Day Chat and Elections

Salve,

I would be pleased to participate in such a chat. I would only be able
to
dedicate about an hour to the chat, unfortunately, given the short
notice,
but I think it is a very worthwhile idea. Please keep me posted as to
whether the event will go forward as proposed.

Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena

>
> Tomorrow is a market day. I am curious if any candidates for the
comming
> election would be interested in forming a debate or question
> period for the
> citizens of Nova Roma tomorrow in the chat room around 9pm US/Eastern
(6pm
> Pacific, 8pm, 7pm UK). >


Subject:	[novaroma] My Withdrawal of Candidacy for Rogator
From:	Amulius Claudius Petrus <pkkt@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:36:48 -0500

Salvete cives et amici,

We now have enough candidates to fill the position of Rogator! Because of
this I formally withdraw my candidacy for this position. The other
candidates can put full effort into this position, and I wish to concentrate
on my the duties of the office of Aediles Curules if elected. I would also
like more political freedom to run again after this comming election. =)

I want to stress that I will still be *running* for Aediles Curules. I also
wish the other candidates for Rogator the best of luck in the comming
election and the duties they shall assume in the new year.

Vale,

( I am running for Aediles Curules. Please visit my campaign website at
http://www.virtue.nu/amclaudius/index.htm )

"Quamquam cupido sit delictum ab suis crebro est mater virtutum"
"Though ambition may be a fault in itself it is often the mother of virtues"

--
Amulius Claudius Petrus
Candidate for Aediles Curules
Provincia Legatus Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Canada Orientalis
Retarius Officium Gens Claudia
Canada Orientalis Provincia

Canada Orientalis Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/canorien

Gens Claudia Website:
www.freehost.nu/members/gensclaudia/
--


Subject:	[novaroma] Updated Candidate List.
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:55:28 -0600 (CST)

Salvete Quirites,

Here is the current list of candidates. It is based on the same data
that was used to generate the election guide on the web site:

http://www.novaroma.org/election/2754/

Please mail me any corrections.

CENSOR:
Priscilla Vedia Serena 23/Nov
Caius Flavius Diocletianus 27/Nov

CONSUL:
Marcus Octavius Germanicus 20/Nov
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix 21/Nov

PRAETOR:
Titus Labienus Fortunatus 21/Nov
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo 21/Nov

AEDILIS CURULIS:
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus 21/Nov
Amulius Claudius Petrus 22/Nov

AEDILIS PLEBIS:
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix 21/Nov
Sextus Apollonius Draco 21/Nov
Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura 23/Nov

TRIBUNUS PLEBIS:
Gnaeus Salix Astur 21/Nov
Marcus Arminius Maior 25/Nov
Lucius Sicinius Drusus 26/Nov

QUAESTOR:
Decius Cornelius Sepulchatius 20/Nov
Marcus Minucius Audens 21/Nov
Gaius Minucius Hadrianus 21/Nov
Titus Octavius Pius 21/Nov
Gaius Popillius Laenas 23/Nov
Gaius Quirinus Italicus Caesar 25/Nov
Franciscus Apulus Caesar 25/Nov

CURATOR ARANEUM:
Marcus Octavius Germanicus 23/Nov

CURATOR DIFFERIUM:
Marcus Scipiadus Scipio Africanus 24/Nov

CURATOR SERMONIS:
Manius Villius Limitanus 21/Nov
Priscilla Vedia Serena 26/Nov

ROGATOR:
Marcus Scipiadus Scipio Africanus 26/Nov
Petrus Domitianus Artorinus Longinus 26/Nov
Julilla Sempronia Magna 27/Nov
Marcus Bianchius Antonius 27/Nov

Valete, Octavius.
http://romanrepublic.org/octavius/consul/

--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Curator Araneum et Senator
Candidate for Consul MMDCCLV
http://www.konoko.net/~haase/


Subject:	[novaroma] ENDORSEMENTS
From:	"S. Apollonius Draco" <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:23:50 +0100

Salvete omnes cives Novae Romae,

For what it is worth, I've come here to endorse a few candidates for several offices.

Rogator
----------

For this position, I would simply like to endorse all candidates, with a special word of encouragement for my fellow provincial, Claudia Putea Pulchra. Most of them are from a "fresher crop" of citizens, and have shown their dedication in offering themselves as Rogatores for the upcoming year. I wish all of them a great deal of luck, perseverance and wisdom, in whatever they do, but more specifically the upcoming elections.

Curator Araneum
----------------------

While there is only one candidate for this function, I would like to say a word of thanks to our current webmaster, who is about to re-elected, namely M. Octavius Germanicus. Of all Nova Roma citizens, few people have put more time into the Eternal City than he did. I would simply like to add my voice to the massive praise and recognition he has already received.

Curator Sermonis
----------------------

Although not the most obvious choice, I would like to endorse M. Villius Limitanus for this position. He has shown an active concern to change something about the language policy, which was met with some criticism, and has an excellent scholarly and rich multicultural background that might make him one of the most cosmopolitan citizens of Nova Roma.

Quaestor
------------

It's a tough job to choose someone I would like to endorse for this position, and it will be an even tougher one when I will be voting. M. Minicius Audens has faithfully served the Republic for a long time with ceaseless enthusiasm, and while we certainly have had our disagreements, I am certain he will be elected by the voters, and quite rightfully so! The second candidate that springs to mind is T. Octavius Pius, which has already been endorsed by his governor, which only testifies of his enthusiasm and earnesty. Lastly, I'd like to point to two lesser known candidates, the Italian fratres G. Quirinus Italicus Caesar and F. Apulus Caesar, who have been active in actually trying to set up a pan-European meeting later on in 2002. Despite the fact that probably all candidates will be voted in, these are my preferred candidates for Quaestor.

Aedilis Plebis
-----------------

I won't be so falsely modest as to "forget" to mention that I myself (that's S. Apollonius Draco :-)) am a candidate for this office. However, in case I would not be voted into office, I know it will be safe in the skillful hands of my frater T. Apollonius Cicatrix, and G. Sentius Bruttius Sura. I wish both of them good luck, and I'd like to let them know that I would rather have had evil characters as my opponents than these two fine men.

Aedilis Curulis
-------------------

Again, an office that will be filled by the two candidates available, but nevertheless some comments may be in their place. C. Fabius Quintilianus has been the driving force behind the reorganisation and resurrection of Thule. Ever since, his province has become a model for the rest of the European provinces. A. Claudius Petrus, on the other hand, is an excellent web-designer, and I can hardly wait until I see virtual games developed by this Aedilis-to-be.

Tribunus Plebis
--------------------

This is one of the most vital positions in the republic. Gn. Salix Astur has been widely endorsed for this position, and rightfully so. I can hardly think of more words to add to the praise that he has already gotten. His ideal "partner in crime" would be M. Arminius Maior. I've had the pleasure of serving him as a scriba this year, and working on various ideas to get the Aediles more involved in Nova Roma - a development I would like to continue, should I be elected.

Praetor
----------

I would be delighted to see both candidates for this office elected. P. Cornelia Strabo would be our first female Praetrix, and a worthy addition to the Senate. In combination with the wise T. Labienus Fortunatus, this will be one of the best set of Praetores Nova Roma has ever had, and I'm not saying this lightly as a mere rhetorical trick. I admire both candidates in their respective ways, and wish them a good and fruitious year.

Consul
----------

Well, I could about copy the lines I wrote above. Both candidates are definitely worth their salt, and will make an excellent pair of Consules: L. Cornelius Sulla has been an unstoppable force in Nova Roma on about every front one can think of, and M. Octavius Germanicus will be a great asset to the Republic as a Consul, bringing about a fresh wind of change.

Censor
---------

It's very hard to make a choice between two excellent candidates, but eventually my vote would go to C. Flavius Diocletianus. While he is usually quiet and modest, the Germanii will be able to testify that this man possesses an awful lot of knowledge on all things Roman - especially where the military is concerned, and once in a while he is able to take all his friends by surprise. By, for example, being a candidate for Censor. Diocletiane, I wish you the best of luck!

******

Valete bene omnes,
S. Apollonius Draco

<< PETITOR AEDILIS PLEBIS >>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Response to Antonius Corvus Septumius
From:	mark zona <pitdog2002@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:43:53 -0800 (PST)

Salve!

>Snip:
> SEPTIMIUS: if I
> make an offereing to an Ehyptian god in the only
> manner I know how (which is how I would make an
> offering within the rites of the religio Romana), I
> would more than likely make that diety upset with
> not
> making an offering according to the rites that the
> diety is accustomed to. Not to mention disrespecting
> the ancestors of that religion with my ignorrance.
> Snip:

Why do you say that a god would be offended of an
offering that is made in a manner that is foreign to
that god Septimus?
Just curious, thanx!

Vale!

Marcus Antonius Zeno
>
>
>
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20CANDICACY=3A=20Diocletianus=20for=20Censor?=
From:	tiberius.ann@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:59:12 +0100

Salvete Quirites,

We, the magistrates, scribae and cives of the province Germania Superior
and the magistrates, scribae and cives of the colonia Raurica, would like
to voice our support for our honorable Praetor, Senator and Propraetor Provinciae
Germaniae Caius Flavius Diocletianus.

We, the people who work with him every day feel, that he is a very hard
working man, and that always to the best of the res publica. We have never
had any problems going to ask him about even the smallest things and some
of us got to know him personally at a reenactment this year.

We are sure that he is not only worthy of our support, but that in our eyes,
there is no cause not to support his candidacy.

Caius Flavius Diocletianus for Censor !

Curate ut valeatis,

Quintus Quinctilius Varus Galili, legatus Germaniae Superioris

Tiberius Annaeus Otho, scriba legata germaniae superioris

Roscia Annaea Pia, scriba legata germaniae superioris

Kaeso Titanicus Blasius Seibi, scriba legata germaniae superioris

Caius Annaeus Lucanus Otho, duumvir coloniae rauricae

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Subject:	[novaroma] DECLARATION OF CANDIDACY- ROGATOR
From:	"Martins-Esteves" <esteves@-------->
Date:	Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:18:57 -0200

Titus Horatius Atticus Quiritibus

Today I stand before you to declare my candidacy for ROGATOR. (My PC had a problem and I could not post this announcement before)

In NR since August 1998, I have been fairly isolated in the huge provincia Brasilia untill now. I participate in some lists and some of you may remember my cognomen, ATTICUS. I am Legatus for the Regio Flumen Ianuarius (Rio de Janeiro). I respect and worship the gods of the Republic.

I studied Law, specialty Administrative Law. I am very interested in Roman Law. My native language is Portuguese, but I also speak Spanish, Italian, French, German, Esperanto and some English. I can read Latin and some ancient Greek.

I have always felt, like Horatius Flaccus, the poet, that it was better to live ignored, but it is also true that I must serve my Republic. I do not want to enter the cursus honorum, I just want not to be ashamed not to help.

I promise not more than not giving up my duties, nor disappearing in the middle of the term as Rogator.

TITVS HORATIVS ATTICVS
civis
pater familias
legatus ad Flumen Ianuarium

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Response to Antonius corvus Septimius
From:	Antonius Corvus Septimius <antoniuscorvusseptimius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:09:08 -0800 (PST)

--- Sanctaluna3@-------- wrote:
> Salve,
>
> As Maxima Octava has spoken, I find nothing further
> need be said.
>
> Vale,
> In Her Service,
> Blessed Be,
> Gaia Cassia Fortunata

Salve,
Well noted, your highness.

Septimius

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Subject:	[novaroma] DECLARATION OF CANDIDACY -- ROGATOR
From:	"Martins-Esteves" <esteves@-------->
Date:	Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:14:47 -0200


Subject:	[novaroma] Application for the position of ROGATOR
From:	"Claudia Putea Pulchra" <puteus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:50:31 +0100

Salve omnes!

This day, I come before the people of Nova Roma and the eternal Roman gods, to announce my candicy for the position of Rogator.

My dedication to Nova Roma up until now may not be that obvious, yet it is definitely present. (I am for example helping with the organisation for the Cena of the citizens of Germania Inferior.) Since I combine studying and working, there's not that much time left for me to post messages. Still I follow every discussion that goes on and discuss them with my husband, Caius Puteus Germanicus.

To prove my dedication to the culture of Nova Roma, I would also like to take a position as a Rogator. I think that I'm very well able to bring this task to a good end, since it only takes lots of work at different times in a year. Once I also finished my school period, I hope to be able to participate more in Nova Roma and on a more regular base, and also maybe get a higher position.

Vale optime!

Claudia Putea Pulchra

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Help with the provincial site of Gallia
From:	"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:27:07 +0100

Salve Propraetor Iane Querie!

I am sorry to hear that there are indeed some problems within our provincia Gallia and some personal trouble to come above all that.

I would like to help you out with the website and other responsabilities, if you wish me to do so. As you already know, I have developped a new site for Germania Inferior. I am ready to take some more responsabilities on other provincial levels as well. Since the separation of GI from Gallia is not yet a fact, I would like to help you out. I do also believe that, if you don't object, I will be able to take some responsabilities in Gallia even after the creation of GI. FYI, as a Belgian person from near Brussels, I am able to express myself in French as well, what could be an advantage for the website and for contacts with other cives in Gallia. Please let me know!

Vale optime in pace deorum!

Caius Puteus Germanicus
Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
http://www.geocities.com/caius_puteus_germanicus/

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: CANDICACY: Diocletianus for Censor
From:	"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:38:49 +0100

Ave!

I can only add to this that, living in Germania Inferior which is not a part of Superior, but yet as a member of the Germania list, I have known Diocletianus from some interventions on this list. he embodies a real spirit of Romanitas and dignitas as already said. I believe that he will be a perfect Censor and that he deserves the thrust of the people of Rome! May the gods be with him!

Vale optime in pace deorum!

Caius Puteus Germanicus
Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
http://www.geocities.com/caius_puteus_germanicus/

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Help with the provincial site of Gallia
From:	"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:44:53 +0100

Ave!

There are in fact 2 lists, one in French and one in Dutch. They are found as follows:

NRGallia_BelgicaBataviaD@-------- <NRGallia_BelgicaBataviaD@--------> (in Dutch)

NRGallia_GalliaBelgicaF@-------- <NRGallia_GalliaBelgicaF@--------> (in French)

Vale optime in pace deorum!

Caius Puteus Germanicus
Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
http://www.geocities.com/caius_puteus_germanicus/

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Reforming The Tribuni Plebis
From:	"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:17:51 +0100

Ave Lucie Sinicie!

Very good ideas. I think that, since NR is the rightful heir of Roma Antiqua, it should respect the historical realities of the res publica too. I do agree with 5 tribunes (which would not even be hard to find!) and the historical power of the intercessio. There is just one thing or condition that I would add, being that a homo novus can't become a tribune. This simply to avoid anarchy when a tribune, who has no experience in NR politics, is making use of the intercessio right 'for fun'.

Vale optime in pace deorum!

Caius Puteus Germanicus
Civis Provinciae Novae Romae Galliae / Germaniae Inferioris
Rogator MMDXXIV AUC
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
http://www.geocities.com/germania_inferior/
http://www.geocities.com/caius_puteus_germanicus/

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Reforming The Tribuni Plebis
From:	Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:16:26 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Quirites; et salve, L. Sicini Druse.

I would like to discuss a few points of your intentions if you get
elected tribunus, if you don't mind. Since we are both candidating to
this same position, I guess it is particularly appropriate to have a
little debate over this campaign's issues.

--- "L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> Rather than simply make a short list of my agenda if
> you decide to entrust me as Tribuni Plebis, I intend
> to bring up my goals in seperate posts so that they
> can be discussed in more detail.

Good idea. We might discuss them separately, then :-).

> I will begain by discussing the pressing need to
> reform the magistracy I seek. Currently the
> Intercessio is too weak. Both of the Tribunes have to
> agree, and given the nature of factions it's possible
> that we could have tribunes from different factions
> who would place the needs of a faction ahead of Nova
> Roma's needs making an intercessio impossible.
>
> This problem is made worse if a tribune leaves Nova
> Roma without resigning. Then we are left with a single
> tribune and NO posibility of an intercessio, no matter
> how bad it's needed. This year we have seen a Tribune
> resign his office and citizenship, leaving us with a
> single Tribune until an Election could be held.
> Shortly after the Election the Tribune we elected
> vanished. We have spent most of this year with NO
> posibility of an intercessio. We were lucky this time.
> The high intregity of our Magistrates meant we didn't
> need an intercessio this time, but we might not be so
> lucky in some future year.
>
> The proposal that was defeated earlier this year by a
> quirk of the law rather than by the will of the people
> would have increased the number of Tribunes to the
> historic number of five that existed in the early days
> of the republic. This would make it VERY unlikely that
> we would ever have only a single Tribune. It would
> have given us a more historic model of having the
> Tribunes concur on an intercessio, the method used in
> the early days of the Republic, which was less prone
> to abuse than the Intercessio used in the later days
> of the Republic.
>
> Quirites,
> If you entrust me with the office of Tribuni Plebis, I
> Promise you that I will work with the Consuls to bring
> this measure to another vote.

I certainly would approve such a measure. I voted in favour of that
proposal, and I tried to convince everyone I knew to vote in favour of
that proposal.

However, I think that that proposal does not cover the necessary reform
in our tribunician institution. It would address the problem of having
an inactive tribune, but I would like to see additional changes in our
tribunate, to cope with weakness of the tribunate you so well pointed
out, and to bring this very important organism closer to its historical
counterpart.

My proposal would be a treefold reform:

1.- To increase the number of tribunes from two to five, and to change
the system of veto from a whole of the tribunes vetoing a proposal to a
majority of the tribunes vetoing a proposal (discounting abstentions).
This, more or less, is covered by your proposed reform.

2.- To reinstaurate the legislative side of the tribunician
institution. Our constitution states, on paragraph III.C:

"The comitia populi tributa (Assembly of the People) shall be made up
of all citizens, grouped into their respective tribes. While it shall
be called to order by either a consul or a praetor, only the comitia
populi tributa shall pass laws governing the rules by which it shall
operate internally. It shall have the following powers:

a. To enact laws binding upon the entire citizenry;
b. To elect the quaestors and curule aediles;
c. To try legal cases that do not involve permanent removal of
citizenship."

Besides that, our constitution reads, on paragraph VI.A.7.d, that one
of the honours, powers and obligations of the Tribuni Plebis shall be:

"To call the Senate and the comitia plebis tributa to order."

Everyone familar with the political history of Nova Roma knows that the
comitia populi tributa has *never* been called to order to promote a
new law. The reason is because our current patricians (around 30% of
the population) have always blocked any attempt to do so because they
would be excluded from that votation.

I think that state of affairs is in fact crippling the political growth
of our Res Publica, and setting it apart from historical practice.
Therefore, I will try if I am elected to promote a new legislation that
allows the tribunes to call the comitia populi tributa (where both
patricians and plebeians can vote) whenever the patricians count up
above of a 10% (for example) of our total population. In that way, the
legislative aspect of the tribunate would be recovered.

3.- To promote a law that bans the tribunes from holding any other
elected magistrature or provincial propraetorship. I think this is
necessary because the tribunes are, in part, the watchers over the
constitution, and must therefore not be involved in the issuing of
edicta that they, on the other hand, should perhaps veto.

Some of you might think that these proposals would increase the
tribunician power to an intolerable extent. However, we all must remind
an important factor, that sets us apart from the historical Res
Publica, and that limits the power of the tribunes: since the tibunes
would not be allowed to propose laws in the comitia centuriata, they
would not be allowed to propose ammendments to the constitution! Thus,
the "watchers of the constitution" would not be allowed to change it,
which I think is a pretty good check :-).

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Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Reforming The Tribuni Plebis
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla Felix" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:37:40 -0800

Avete Omnes, just a slight correction here.

"To call the Senate and the comitia plebis tributa to order."

Everyone familar with the political history of Nova Roma knows that the
comitia populi tributa has *never* been called to order to promote a
new law. The reason is because our current patricians (around 30% of
the population) have always blocked any attempt to do so because they
would be excluded from that votation.

Sulla: This is incorrect, the Comitia Populi Tributa, have been summonned to promulgate leges in the past. In fact most of our laws have been promulgated via the Tribes.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Candidate for Consul

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Reforming The Tribuni Plebis
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:54:00 +0100

Salve Honorable Gnaeus Salix Astur, Amice!

Even though I am a Patrician, I wholehearely support your proposed reforms.
It is a pitty I can't vote for You! ;-)

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] ENDORSEMENTS
From:	Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <tjalens.h@-------->
Date:	Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:03:21 +0100

Salve Sextus Apollonius Draco!

I thank You for your kind words! I would be very pleased to vote for You,
but as I am a Patrician I can only wish You luck!

Vale

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