| Subject: |
[novaroma] Attention Voters: Invalid Codes |
| From: |
"Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato" <a.cato@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:38:17 -0500 |
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Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato novaromanis S.P.D.
The citizens with the following Tracking Numbers used invalid Voter Codes.
# 3151, # 3183, # 3184, # 3186, # 3192, # 3203,
# 3207, # 3225, # 3233
Please double check your Voter Code and try again. If you continue to have trouble, please contact the Censors. You can also go to your Profile Page on the main Nova Roma site, and get a Voter Code there, if there is a problem.
Your code consists of three letters, followed by three numbers.
There are still a couple of days left to vote. If you have not done so, I urge you to take this opportunity to vote now. As a citizen of Nova Roma it is your right and responsibility to take part in the further development of our republic.
Valete, ... Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
Rogator, Novae Romae
Procurator, Provincia Canadae Orientalis
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Endoresements of Antonius Gryllus Graecus for the next elections |
| From: |
"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:50:49 -0500 |
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Salve,
> - Curator Sermonis: M. Villius Limitanus I support this candidate for the
office of Curator Sermonis. I don't know him well, but I know he is an
active citizen and friend with many good
romans.>>
I beg to differ. According to his profile on the Album Civium, he is
currently assigned to a Rural tribe. From my understanding of Rural vs.
Urban tribe assignments, that means that Limitanus did not even bother to
*vote* in last year's elections. Hardly what I would call an "active"
citizen. As for his ability as a friend, I must confess that I have no
knowledge on that front. He has consistently favored me with nothing but
rudeness and venom in the past 11 months, so while I accept your opinion, I
cannot say I have seen a kind side to the citizen.
>>Why do I do this instead of supporting the most obvious choice Priscilla
Vedia Serena.>>
Not to quibble over semantics, but I prefer the term "proven" to obvious.
While my Policies may have met with some criticism from some, my hard work
and dedication to this position and the welfare of Nova Roma is a proven
record.
>> Most of you know that I was against the English language policy since the
beginning, at least when no exception was made for Latin, and I had already
openly promised not to support the Curatrix Sermonis Priscilla Vedia Serena
in this elections in case her policy towards Latin was not changed.>>
Indeed, I remember that promise. I must confess, however, that although
Latin is *more* than welcome on this List <along with a translation to
English so that those of us not well educated in Latin as yourself can
comprehend the message>, you seldom chosen to avail yourself of that and
post in Latin.
>>Latin should - in my opinion - be excempt from the need of translations on
the main mailing list of Nova Roma for Latin is the language proper of the
Roman state as I understand it.>>
That, unfortunately, would defeat the purpose of this List: communication.
As for Latin being the official language of Nova Roma, I believe the recent
Senate vote confirmed that it is, indeed, our official ceremonial language.
English, however, has been declared the language of our day to day business.
>>I have requested the Curatrix Sermonis Priscilla Vedia Serena a change of
her edict in order to quit the requirement for an English translation of
Latin posts,>>
Indeed you did. I also made the same offer then as I make now to you
publicly: as one of the exceedingly few among our cives who is *capable* of
writing coherent posts in Latin, please feel free to do so. Simply favor
the List with an accompanying English translation so that those who do not
comprehend Latin may still understand you.
>>a measure which is my opinion would favour Latin and motivate its
learning, besides contributing to provide a better image of the list to the
outsiders.>>
I see here that we disagree. In my experience, posts that are
incomprehensible, or in any other way irrelevant to a List member, are
generally deleted unread. I do not believe posting messages which by their
very nature cannot be understood would, in my opinion accomplish your goal.
It would likely do little to expand the learning of Latin and much to
discourage citizens who seek out this forum as a means of better
*understanding* our nation and its citizens.
>>The request was denied, which I understand as an attempt to "Anglicize"
Nova Roma, turning English into the language of the Romans,>>
With respect, you could not *be* more incorrect on this point. The Policy
exists for one clear and simple reason: the need of our cives to be able to
speak to one another and comprehend what is said. Again, you have had a
full year to further the exposure of Latin by using it yourself here along
with translations and yet you chose not to. Given your veiled accusations I
find *that* quite telling.
>>and which could even allow suspicion over the ideals that are behind her
option (e.g. people could accuse her/us of Right Wing Nationalism)...>>
I am very sorry to disappoint you Graecus, but there simply *is* no hidden
agenda or snarky little cabal here. I put the Policy in effect to help our
citizens communicate. Anything more than that is simply a figment of your
imagination.
>>Of course this suspicion is not true and I believe that the Curatrix's
ideals are not these,>>
Ah, my friends, election time is indeed here again! Time for insinuations,
thinly veiled attacks and innuendo a'plenty. I must confess, I *was* very
much hoping that this year's elections would be of better character than
last year's, but perhaps this is just the nature of the beast for some.
>>although the practical effect - measured by the accusations I read almost
everyday on the european lists - was most probably the same.>>
Hmmmm. Obviously, I cannot comment on this since the NR Europe list is
closed to "outsiders". Therefore whatever mud my name and/or policies have
been dragged through is something which I have been blissfully unaware of.
>>Due to the latter event (and also other minor details) which makes me
suspect of Priscilla Vedia Serena's regard for Latinitas and
macronational-independent Romanitas,>>
Ah, finally we get to the true message. I will not attempt to explain the
practical necessity of the Language Policy any further, as I am certain it
would do no good. I will, however, leave you with the thought that, for
someone as dedicated to the expansion of Latin in Nova Roma as you claim to
be, you have not taken the time to use it here on the main List at all. I
must confess, that does make me somewhat suspicious of your sincerity
citizen. I would suggest you make even a modest effort to get to know me as
a person...elections aside.....and I believe you will quickly see the error
in the multiple assumptions you have now made publicly.
>>I prefer to bet on the "popular" wing at this time and support M. Villius
Limitanus as the best choice and one that will make the main mailing list of
Nova Roma a more open forum.>>
I would invite the citizens of Nova Roma to peruse the archives and then
judge for themselves who is, indeed, the best choice. Limitanus has built a
reputation so full of strife here that a good many citizens have openly
stated that they will not even read what he posts anymore. My personal
definition of the "best choice" is someone who is capable of tending the
List in a diplomatic and mature fashion. I have proven I can do that, my
opponent, in my opinion, has not.
>>Besides, M. Villius Limitanus has also the support of several valid
citizens such as Sextus Apollonius Draco, which makes me more confident that
he will be a good option.>>
I complement Limitanus on the quality of some of his endorsers. I, however,
prefer to campaign on my proven abilities, not rest on the reputations of
those who support me. With all due modesty, my reputation speaks for itself
in terms of dignitas, veritas and aequitas. Don't misunderstand me, I
welcome all endorsements :) However, that part of your personal decision is
resting on who *else* is supporting Limitanus speaks volumes.
In closing, I am confident the voters will carefully weigh the different
styles and abilities my opponent and I bring to the table and ultimately
make the decision to continue to entrust this List to a Curatrix Sermonis
who has its welfare and strength as her motivation.
Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Endoresements of Antonius Gryllus Graecus for the next elections |
| From: |
"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:04:59 -0500 |
|
Salve,
> I beg to differ. According to his profile on the Album Civium, he is
> currently assigned to a Rural tribe. From my understanding of Rural vs.
> Urban tribe assignments, that means that Limitanus did not even bother to
> *vote* in last year's elections. >
I was apparently misinformed about the Rural vs. Urban status. I managed to
get them quite backward. I see that Limitanus did, indeed, vote in the last
general election. That does not change my opinion of his candidacy, but when
an error is made it must be admitted, and I do so now.
My apologies.
Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Response to Antonius Corvus Septumius |
| From: |
Maximina Octavia <myownq@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:48:46 -0800 (PST) |
|
--- mark zona <pitdog2002@--------> wrote:
> Salve Marcus Antonius Zeno,
Although Septimius' knowledge of Ancient Egyptian
Religion is somewhat in error on certain points, he is
certainly correct in this observation.
Tere are certain Names (gods, or aspects) of Netjer
(G-D) that would be offended by particular offerings.
Without going into too much depth on this private
subject, I will site a couple of examples.
For instance, one would not offer pork or sand to
particular Names, however, these items may be offered
to other Names.
This being noted, We believe that Netjer is
compassionate especially to those who are uneducated
in proper protocol and in light of the sincerity of
the unintitiated, the offering would most probably be
appreciated in its spirit.
Perhaps this is also the same for our Roman Pantheon.
Thank you for bringing up this point, I hope I have
answered your question.
Vale, Maximina Octavia
> >Snip:
> > SEPTIMIUS: if I
> > make an offereing to an Ehyptian god in the only
> > manner I know how (which is how I would make an
> > offering within the rites of the religio Romana),
> I
> > would more than likely make that diety upset with
> > not
> > making an offering according to the rites that the
> > diety is accustomed to. Not to mention
> disrespecting
> > the ancestors of that religion with my ignorrance.
> > Snip:
>
> Why do you say that a god would be offended of an
> offering that is made in a manner that is foreign to
> that god Septimus?
> Just curious, thanx!
>
> Vale!
>
> Marcus Antonius Zeno
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Candidacy--Quaestor |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:58:26 -0500 (EST) |
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Citizens of Nova Nova;
In support of my Candidacy for the Office of Quaestor, I offer the
following comments having to do with my reasons for running for office
and where and what I stand for in Nova Roma.
My purpose is to run for office offering my talents, such as they may
be, to Nova Roma, to further this micronation in it's aims as are
outlined within the Constitution and the Laws of the micronation.
Where I stand in Nova Roma is with the citizens of this micronation, and
with the majority of the citizens herein and with their decisions that
will be made throughout the future of this organization, and made after
due consideration with the views of the Minority able to be heard as
well, by all concerned. This does not mean that the Minority shall
rule, as some believe appropriate, but rather that they (the Minority)
should be heard by all, once, not repeated forever!!!
I believe that all the citizens of Nova Roma have the right to be heard,
but I do not believe that anyone has the right to belabor a point into
name-calling, or into ungentlemanly conduct on the Internet. It is
certainly apparent that there are those who cannot hold thier temper, or
refrain from using insulting terms to others, but that problem should
not be aired publicly, but rather in private. While I am willing to
listen to the views of another, I do not have to be told the same thing
one hundred times, nor do I particularly enjoy be called names or
bullied when my decision does not allow my agreement with any person or
group of persons. I am quite able to make up my own mind.
Further, the idea that the Citizens of Nova Roma are so stupid as to
need to be driven to a given point of behavior or decision by
repitition, name-calling, and constant galling coercion is not my idea
of those people whom I now serve and would serve in the future.
I have some small knowledge of the way large organizations work having
spent 20 years in the military of my country and advanced from enlisted
to officer status. Following that, I have completed my Master's Degree
in a large West Coast University (University Of San DIego) and have been
privaledged to serve as an undergraduate lecturer, and researcher and as
the Special History Librarian. I served for twenty years in a large
military ship=building company, enjoying the status as a Senior Project
Manager and Engineering Consultant. I have served in my town for 16
years as the Chairman of a Zoning Commission (17 years all told as a
commission member), and as the President of three history-oriented
organizations. This experience has given me some small insight
regarding the information trail for many different aspects of the work
that we do here, and the insight to be aware that information held at
all levels regarding any specific item of interest may vary widely in
scope, detail, and in application to any question at hand.
It is this experience, insight, and understanding that I offer to the
Citizens of Nova Roma by standing for office, and it is this ability to
make clear and concise decisions based upon all the information
available, and not just some of it, that I am also able to bring to the
board, for your consideration.
I am interested, as I have indicated by action and deed and mentioned
extensively in the past in the Annual Budget, and in insuring that the
Tax Program is smoothed out so as to make it an effective, secure and
easily accomodated program, as it was intended to be, with the care of
the NR funds in the care of persons who can be trusted and who are
committed to the goals of NR.
Further, I am interested in drawing up and codifying a set of Civil
Laws, as are needed, in the everyday involvement of NR. My third area
of interest is in the NR Outreach Program which I am pursuing with the
assistance of the three very effective Egressus Section Managers whom I
mentioned to you earlier.
Of course, there is the Militarium which also commands my allegiance and
my interest. I am not an expert in this area , but I do have an strong
interest in the Military History of ancient Rome, in all aspects of this
wide field of study.
Several people of late have commented upon the religious aspects of Nova
Roma, and I would add my comments to those who have gone before. I am a
Christian, such is my choice. I understand that Nova Roma is a place
where the worship of the Religio Romano is allowed and encouraged.
While I am not of that faith, I respect the views of those who are. I
respect the faith of the micronation as indicated in the Magistrate's
Oath and in the Constitution. I presently do, and intend to continue,
living my life to the best of my ability following the Roman Virtues, as
well as the Christian precepts which I have embraced. I have completed
the Cursus Honorium, (the second Magistrate to do so) following that
formula, and I intend to continue in that path, for the forseeable
future, as it seems to have provided some small advantage to myself, and
more importantly, to the growth of Nova Roma.
The above is a brief idea of who I am, what I stand for, and why I am
standing for office. If anyone has any questions of me regarding the
above, or questions about NR which I may be able to assist you with, I
invite your question.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Venii Poem |
| From: |
MarcusAudens@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:36:14 -0500 (EST) |
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Venator, My Friend!!
Excellent work, your poem. I have read it twice and wish that I may
have had the wisdom to write such! Very well done!!!!
Marcus Minucius Audens
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Withdraw Of Canidacy |
| From: |
"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:56:45 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete Quirites,
I Am sorry to have announced my Canidacy for tribune
followed by this abrupt withdraw.
My Father is in the Hospital. He has a tumor next to
his spine that may result in him becoming paralized.
It's too close to his spine for surgery. Tomorrow he
will have a biopsy to see if it's malignant. He will
be undergoing Radiation treatment to treat the Tumor
if more tests show that there is hope.
Because of this I will not have time to campaign for
office, Nor am I sure that I will have time to serve
if the worst occurs, therefore I withdraw my canidacy
in order to spend time with my family.
I'm Not sure when the Tribune of the Plebs intended to
close the time for Canidates to announce for Tribune,
but I ask that he consider leaving it open for at
least another day or two in case my withdrawl causes
another citizen to consider running for office.
Valete,
L. Sicinius Drusus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Withdraw Of Canidacy |
| From: |
Fortunatus <labienus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:10:35 -0600 |
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Tribunus Plebis T Labienus Quiritibus SPD
> I Am sorry to have announced my Canidacy for tribune
> followed by this abrupt withdraw.
I am sorry to read this, and I hope that things work out for your
father. I will light some incense to Aesculapius on his behalf.
> I'm Not sure when the Tribune of the Plebs intended to
> close the time for Canidates to announce for Tribune,
> but I ask that he consider leaving it open for at
> least another day or two in case my withdrawl causes
> another citizen to consider running for office.
Barring unforeseen circumstances, I intend to issue the announcement
listing plebeian candidates and starting the contio for the Comitia
Plebis on the evening of the 1st of December. Therefore, cives have
nearly three days in which to declare their candidacy.
Valete
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Withdraw Of Canidacy |
| From: |
"Julilla Sempronia Magna" <julilla@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:42:07 -0000 |
|
Druse, my heart goes out to you and your father. This must have been
a hard decision for you, but you are certainly doing the right thing,
and please know that our prayers are with you.
---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| http://julilla.tripod.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| julilla@--------
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Response to Antonius Corvus Septumius |
| From: |
mark zona <pitdog2002@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:47:02 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salve Octavia!
Yes, you have answered my question! Thank you!
Septimus also answered my question as well, and I feel
better informed about this matter, I do thank you
both!
Vale!
Marcus Antonius Zeno
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Venii Poem |
| From: |
trog99@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:54:37 -0000 |
|
Salve Venii:
Just lovely..... You have a gift of the imagination......and the pen!
Ave,
Pompeia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Response to Antonius Gryllus Graecus |
| From: |
Sanctaluna3@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:51:10 EST |
|
Salve,
Thank you for the wonderful site, it's almost like a Yule present! However,
I still would like to see the sources for the rituals actually cited when
applicable. We're not using the sellae because we don't want our Goddesses
to get tipped over and break, and our Gods will have to stand rather than
recline on our short kline. Yes, the mystery religious cults predominate in
the Greek tradition, and since our group is Dianic, we do focus some of our
main rituals (festivals, moons, initiations) in the Greek path.
Marcus Cassius Julianus has been most helpful when needing ritual
information.
And again, thank you for sharing that great source of information!
Vale bene,
In Her Service,
Blessed Be,
Gaia Cassia Fortunata
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Withdraw Of Canidacy |
| From: |
"Matthias Stappert" <3s@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 07:52:54 -0000 |
|
Salve L. Sicini Druse.
I completely understand your reasons for withdrawing your candidacy.
Your father, your family needs your assistance. I´m sure that this
will be a great help for your father.
May the gods be with you!
Vale
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Praetor, Senator
Governor of Germania
--- In novaroma@--------, "L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> I Am sorry to have announced my Canidacy for tribune
> followed by this abrupt withdraw.
>
> My Father is in the Hospital. He has a tumor next to
> his spine that may result in him becoming paralized.
> It's too close to his spine for surgery. Tomorrow he
> will have a biopsy to see if it's malignant. He will
> be undergoing Radiation treatment to treat the Tumor
> if more tests show that there is hope.
>
> Because of this I will not have time to campaign for
> office, Nor am I sure that I will have time to serve
> if the worst occurs, therefore I withdraw my canidacy
> in order to spend time with my family.
>
> I'm Not sure when the Tribune of the Plebs intended to
> close the time for Canidates to announce for Tribune,
> but I ask that he consider leaving it open for at
> least another day or two in case my withdrawl causes
> another citizen to consider running for office.
>
> Valete,
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Candidacy |
| From: |
"Jozef Duhacek" <coriolanus@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:31:46 -0000 |
|
Gaius Marcius Coriolanus Omnibus Quiritibus S.P.D.
I present my candidature to office of Propraetor Pannoniae. I have
served Nova Roma as Legatus Pannoniae Inferioris and I've gained a
good knowledge of Pannonian conditions. I would like to use it in
Pannonian administration and evelovment in next points:
I. I want to establish taxation proceedures in accordance with NR
laws and orders.
II. As there was said before, current circumstances in Pannonia makes
sending money abroad a bit harder than it is in other provinces. So
my primary aim will be to find a solution for this problem
III. The level of social life Pannonia is not satisfactory. I want to
establish a custom of periodical provincial meetings. The periodical
issued news will be although considered.
IV. Another aim of mine is to increase a number of active Pannonian
citizens. Nova Roma is still almost unknown here in central Europe,
so I'll search for a ways how to get known because is in best
interest of Nova Roma to evolve and rise.
Ave et Vale
Gaius Marcius Coriolanus
Paterfamilias Gentes Marciae
Legatus Pannoniae Inferioris
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Response to Antonius Corvus Septumius |
| From: |
amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:49:49 -0000 |
|
Salvete
This is just a note about if honouring a deity should be done
according to the deity's national rites.
In Roma Antiqua, some adopted foreign deities kept their national
rites, and national priests were even brought to perform the liturgy
(at least in the beginning, while no native romans were acquainted
with the rites). Such was the case of Aesculapius, Cybele (Magna
Mater) and the greek part of the rites of Ceres. Nevertheless while
these national rites run in parallel with the official roman rites,
which for greek deities were usually performed with a special ROMAN
form of ritual which was called the "Ritus Graecus" in which the
Quindecemviri Sacris Faciundis (the priests who had officially
introduced these foreign rites after consultation of the Sibylline
Books) were specialists.
So, what did we have? We had everyday worship and liturgy being
performed according to the national rites of the deity. But then at
official festivals (e.g. birthday of the temple), roman state priests
or magistrates would offer sacrifice at the same temple, to the same
foreign deity but only with a slight variation of the roman rite
(appart from being performed with head uncovered and crowned with
lawrel, using the 'tunica fimbriata', and mixing some greek words
with the Latin text, the so called Ritus Graecus was the same as the
Ritus Romanus). Some foreign gods like Hercules did not even have
native greek priesthood (though some "mysteries" may have been
connected to him, but limited to PRIVATE communities). And an
exception to the above was Ceres, who was a Roman goddess already
before the adoption of her greek equivalent Demeter. And as such her
Flamen most probably used the Ritus Romanus in sacrifices to her
(Cato presents a script for a domestic sacrifice to Ceres, which is a
typical ROMAN sacrifice).
Now what happened at the home, when worshiping foreign deities? We
don't know, but we can guess.
Most probably, some citizens who frequented the temples of the
foreign deities had some knowledge of the native rites and tried to
reproduce them, as advised by the native priests of the deity.
Others, say a Roman who had just needed to cure his wife from a
disease but who was not a regular worshiper of Aesculapius, would
most probably buy a statuette of Aesculapius and worship the god in
the traditional roman way as if he was a roman god (in fact he had
been adopted by the roman state).
But if our man in the previous paragraph, had seen a magistrate or
priest offering to Aesculapius Graeco Ritu (i.e. according to
the "official roman version of what a Greek Rite would be and which
was in fact more roman than greek") maybe he tried to immitate the
magistrate/priest and offer sacrifice to Aesculapius with the head
uncovered and crowned with lawrel... And maybe he had even bought a
greek-style tripod fireplace to burn his offerings, who knows?
So, I think that in roman state religion foreign deities would be
offered sacrifice according to ROMAN rites (e.g. Graecus Ritus), even
if the latter were an "artificial and slight" variation of the
traditional roman rites. Unofficially (but nevertheless under the
tutelage of the state, namely the Quindecemviri Sacris Faciundis),
the foreign deities could receive their native rites performed by
native priests at their temples, IF that was decided/agreed by the
Senate at the time of the introduction of the cult (e.g. Cybele,
Ceres-Demeter, Aesculapius).
In private, the foreign gods were probably honoured just like the
roman gods, as a roman would primarily know the roman way of
worshiping gods, right? Only those who made part of communities of
worshipers of the foeign gods, or who had asked a native priest,
would be acquainted with the native rites of the foreign god.
So now I will answer the question of divine tolerance made by
Maximina Octavia regarding the Roman Pantheon:
> This being noted, We believe that Netjer is
> compassionate especially to those who are uneducated
> in proper protocol and in light of the sincerity of
> the unintitiated, the offering would most probably be
> appreciated in its spirit.
> Perhaps this is also the same for our Roman Pantheon.
mmm... It depends. In roman public rites, a ritual error had to be
expiated, otherwise the error was considered to turn into an impiety
(i.e. voluntary violation of the religio). Fortunately the flute
players helped disguising some errors of the priest =).
At the home, it depended, of course. If the citizen in question was
more affraid of the gods or just more proud of tradition (like some
members of old Patrician falimies), he would also expiate the errors
or the rejected offerings. And example from Cato [in Cato, De
Agricultura 141]:
"If less than all will be sacrificed successfully, recite words in
this way: 'Father Mars, if something in this suckling suovitaurilia
was not pleasing to you, this suovetaurilia to you as atonement.' If
there will be doubt about one or two, recite these words: 'Father
Mars, because this pig was not pleasing to you, this pig to you as
atonement.'"
Sometimes, when interpreting some event as a bad omen, more fearful
people would assign the cause to a possible ritual error that they
had not noticed during the ritual and thus would expiate it as soon
as possible (this was also true for the public rites).
Other more liberal romans would think in a more liberal way. I would
expect to find more liberal romans in the city and more
traditional/fearful ones in the countryside.
In summary, the way ritual errors were treated was a question of LAW
in what regards the state cult, and a question of personal belief or
choice in what regards the private cult. And it is understandable
because while a ritual error in a state cult affected all the
population, an error in the private cult could possibly affect only
the private community or individual in question.
Valete bene
Graecus
--- In novaroma@--------, Maximina Octavia <m--------q@--------> wrote:
>
> --- mark zona <pitdog2002@--------> wrote:
> > Salve Marcus Antonius Zeno,
> Although Septimius' knowledge of Ancient Egyptian
> Religion is somewhat in error on certain points, he is
> certainly correct in this observation.
>
> Tere are certain Names (gods, or aspects) of Netjer
> (G-D) that would be offended by particular offerings.
> Without going into too much depth on this private
> subject, I will site a couple of examples.
>
> For instance, one would not offer pork or sand to
> particular Names, however, these items may be offered
> to other Names.
>
> This being noted, We believe that Netjer is
> compassionate especially to those who are uneducated
> in proper protocol and in light of the sincerity of
> the unintitiated, the offering would most probably be
> appreciated in its spirit.
>
> Perhaps this is also the same for our Roman Pantheon.
>
> Thank you for bringing up this point, I hope I have
> answered your question.
>
> Vale, Maximina Octavia
>
> > >Snip:
> > > SEPTIMIUS: if I
> > > make an offereing to an Ehyptian god in the only
> > > manner I know how (which is how I would make an
> > > offering within the rites of the religio Romana),
> > I
> > > would more than likely make that diety upset with
> > > not
> > > making an offering according to the rites that the
> > > diety is accustomed to. Not to mention
> > disrespecting
> > > the ancestors of that religion with my ignorrance.
> > > Snip:
> >
> > Why do you say that a god would be offended of an
> > offering that is made in a manner that is foreign to
> > that god Septimus?
> > Just curious, thanx!
> >
> > Vale!
> >
> > Marcus Antonius Zeno
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] Withdraw Of Canidacy |
| From: |
"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 07:53:04 -0500 |
|
Salve,
I am so sorry to hear that your father is ill. While I am sorry to see you
withdraw, I commend you for putting your family first. May the Gods speed
his recovery and see you through what is sure to be a trying time.
Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
> -----Original Message-----
> From: L. Sicinius Drusus [mailto:lsicinius@--------]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:57 PM
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: [novaroma] Withdraw Of Canidacy
>
>
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> I Am sorry to have announced my Canidacy for tribune
> followed by this abrupt withdraw.
>
> My Father is in the Hospital. He has a tumor next to
> his spine that may result in him becoming paralized.
> It's too close to his spine for surgery. Tomorrow he
> will have a biopsy to see if it's malignant. He will
> be undergoing Radiation treatment to treat the Tumor
> if more tests show that there is hope.
>
> Because of this I will not have time to campaign for
> office, Nor am I sure that I will have time to serve
> if the worst occurs, therefore I withdraw my canidacy
> in order to spend time with my family.
>
> I'm Not sure when the Tribune of the Plebs intended to
> close the time for Canidates to announce for Tribune,
> but I ask that he consider leaving it open for at
> least another day or two in case my withdrawl causes
> another citizen to consider running for office.
>
> Valete,
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Candidacy--Quaestor |
| From: |
"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:03:57 +0100 |
|
Ave!
I hope you will be given the authority to realise this ambitious project!
Nova Roma will certainly be able to make use of your rich personal
experience!
M. Minucius Audens for Quaestor!
Vale optime in pace deorum!
Caius Puteus Germanicus
Civis Provinciae Nova Romae Germaniae Inferioris
Rogator
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
www.geocities.com/Caius_Puteus_Germanicus/
www.geocities.com/Germania_Inferior/
>From: jmath669642reng@--------
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Candidacy--Quaestor
>Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:58:26 -0500 (EST)
>
>Citizens of Nova Nova;
>
>In support of my Candidacy for the Office of Quaestor, I offer the
>following comments having to do with my reasons for running for office
>and where and what I stand for in Nova Roma.
>
>My purpose is to run for office offering my talents, such as they may
>be, to Nova Roma, to further this micronation in it's aims as are
>outlined within the Constitution and the Laws of the micronation.
>
>Where I stand in Nova Roma is with the citizens of this micronation, and
>with the majority of the citizens herein and with their decisions that
>will be made throughout the future of this organization, and made after
>due consideration with the views of the Minority able to be heard as
>well, by all concerned. This does not mean that the Minority shall
>rule, as some believe appropriate, but rather that they (the Minority)
>should be heard by all, once, not repeated forever!!!
>
>I believe that all the citizens of Nova Roma have the right to be heard,
>but I do not believe that anyone has the right to belabor a point into
>name-calling, or into ungentlemanly conduct on the Internet. It is
>certainly apparent that there are those who cannot hold thier temper, or
>refrain from using insulting terms to others, but that problem should
>not be aired publicly, but rather in private. While I am willing to
>listen to the views of another, I do not have to be told the same thing
>one hundred times, nor do I particularly enjoy be called names or
>bullied when my decision does not allow my agreement with any person or
>group of persons. I am quite able to make up my own mind.
>
>Further, the idea that the Citizens of Nova Roma are so stupid as to
>need to be driven to a given point of behavior or decision by
>repitition, name-calling, and constant galling coercion is not my idea
>of those people whom I now serve and would serve in the future.
>
>I have some small knowledge of the way large organizations work having
>spent 20 years in the military of my country and advanced from enlisted
>to officer status. Following that, I have completed my Master's Degree
>in a large West Coast University (University Of San DIego) and have been
>privaledged to serve as an undergraduate lecturer, and researcher and as
>the Special History Librarian. I served for twenty years in a large
>military ship=building company, enjoying the status as a Senior Project
>Manager and Engineering Consultant. I have served in my town for 16
>years as the Chairman of a Zoning Commission (17 years all told as a
>commission member), and as the President of three history-oriented
>organizations. This experience has given me some small insight
>regarding the information trail for many different aspects of the work
>that we do here, and the insight to be aware that information held at
>all levels regarding any specific item of interest may vary widely in
>scope, detail, and in application to any question at hand.
>
>It is this experience, insight, and understanding that I offer to the
>Citizens of Nova Roma by standing for office, and it is this ability to
>make clear and concise decisions based upon all the information
>available, and not just some of it, that I am also able to bring to the
>board, for your consideration.
>
>I am interested, as I have indicated by action and deed and mentioned
>extensively in the past in the Annual Budget, and in insuring that the
>Tax Program is smoothed out so as to make it an effective, secure and
>easily accomodated program, as it was intended to be, with the care of
>the NR funds in the care of persons who can be trusted and who are
>committed to the goals of NR.
>
>Further, I am interested in drawing up and codifying a set of Civil
>Laws, as are needed, in the everyday involvement of NR. My third area
>of interest is in the NR Outreach Program which I am pursuing with the
>assistance of the three very effective Egressus Section Managers whom I
>mentioned to you earlier.
>
>Of course, there is the Militarium which also commands my allegiance and
>my interest. I am not an expert in this area , but I do have an strong
>interest in the Military History of ancient Rome, in all aspects of this
>wide field of study.
>
>Several people of late have commented upon the religious aspects of Nova
>Roma, and I would add my comments to those who have gone before. I am a
>Christian, such is my choice. I understand that Nova Roma is a place
>where the worship of the Religio Romano is allowed and encouraged.
>While I am not of that faith, I respect the views of those who are. I
>respect the faith of the micronation as indicated in the Magistrate's
>Oath and in the Constitution. I presently do, and intend to continue,
>living my life to the best of my ability following the Roman Virtues, as
>well as the Christian precepts which I have embraced. I have completed
>the Cursus Honorium, (the second Magistrate to do so) following that
>formula, and I intend to continue in that path, for the forseeable
>future, as it seems to have provided some small advantage to myself, and
>more importantly, to the growth of Nova Roma.
>
>The above is a brief idea of who I am, what I stand for, and why I am
>standing for office. If anyone has any questions of me regarding the
>above, or questions about NR which I may be able to assist you with, I
>invite your question.
>
>Respectfully;
>
>Marcus Minucius Audens
>
>Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
>http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Withdraw Of Canidacy |
| From: |
"Caius Puteus Germanicus" <puteus@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:09:07 +0100 |
|
Ave Lucie!
I'm sorry to hear about your father. I will keep him in mind in my prayers
to the gods! May the gods be with you!
I still hope, however, that even though not as a magistrate, but as an
active civis, you will be able to work together with us for furthering Nova
Roma!
Vale optime in pace deorum!
Caius Puteus Germanicus
Civis Provinciae Nova Romae Germaniae Inferioris
Rogator
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi Germaniae Inferioris Europaeque Occidentalis
www.geocities.com/Caius_Puteus_Germanicus/
www.geocities.com/Germania_Inferior/
>From: "L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Withdraw Of Canidacy
>Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:56:45 -0800 (PST)
>
>Salvete Quirites,
>
>I Am sorry to have announced my Canidacy for tribune
>followed by this abrupt withdraw.
>
>My Father is in the Hospital. He has a tumor next to
>his spine that may result in him becoming paralized.
>It's too close to his spine for surgery. Tomorrow he
>will have a biopsy to see if it's malignant. He will
>be undergoing Radiation treatment to treat the Tumor
>if more tests show that there is hope.
>
>Because of this I will not have time to campaign for
>office, Nor am I sure that I will have time to serve
>if the worst occurs, therefore I withdraw my canidacy
>in order to spend time with my family.
>
>I'm Not sure when the Tribune of the Plebs intended to
>close the time for Canidates to announce for Tribune,
>but I ask that he consider leaving it open for at
>least another day or two in case my withdrawl causes
>another citizen to consider running for office.
>
>Valete,
>L. Sicinius Drusus
>
>__________________________________________________
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Question and thoughts on Religio, classes and legislation |
| From: |
"Javier Augusto Gil-Ruiz Gil-Esparza" <javier_gil_ruiz@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:04:19 -0000 |
|
Salvete omnes cives et salve Pontifici
I have followed the discussions on roman religion with interest and
have pondered for some time over a particular question that I would
like to present you.
The question in particular regards the plebeian's and patrician's
approach and attitude towards the Religio, their esteem for it and
whether they folowed it in different ways.
It is well known that the patricians were extremely proud of
their "truly roman" ancestry, even to the point of seeing it as a
deterministic influence on their lives. There are many stories such
as that of Brutus being obsessed with his ancestor, the glorious
tyrant-slayer, making him decide to join the murderers of Caesar.
This is not surprising, as oligarchic aristocracies always tend to
look upon what "makes them special" as upon a decisively important
thing that keeps aside those that are "not really one of us" like
Marius or Pompeius.
In your discussions and explanations you have often mentioned that
the patritiate looked upon the Religio as their particular "turf", or
that they were specialy pious. Perhaps rightly so, as some posts
could only be occupied by patritii. But this was often only one of
the sometimes excruciating conditions, and many of the plebeians
would probably have had an equal number of ancestor generations
living in the city.
My questions are: Do we have hints of the plebeii feeling "left out"?
Did they follow the Religio with less enthusiasm than the patritii?
Was it for them an "affair of the state where they had nothing to
seek" like the meetings of the senate? What was their approach to the
Religio in general, and where was it different from that of, say,
Cicero?
As an aside, I feel that in the near future our legislation should
forbid the joining of new patrician families (thus signalling the end
of Nova Roma's "beginning times"), and that only the pater familiae
of patrician families should be considered patricians (as was the
case in rome). This would make the present senseless situation
resemble more that of the ancient rome. It is very "modern" to let
newcomers choose between being plebeian or patrician, but it does not
make much sense. I think that as long as the patritiate remains
honorary and not a source of power this measure would not be
antidemocratic. Of course, those that complete the Cursus Honorum
could be "granted peership" between the patricians as a recognition.
Do not be too harsh with this idea if you think it is an exemplar of
faeces tauri as it is only an idea that springs to mind to a relative
newcomer.
Bene Valete et Multas Gratias ago aut Pontifici
Marcus Salix Saverius
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Candidacy |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 07:39:45 -0800 |
|
Ave,
Unfortunately, this office is not available. All governorship are
appointed by the Senate of Nova Roma. You would need to wait til the
elections are complete. Because according to V.C. of the Constitution
it states, "The Senate may, by Senatus Consultum, create provincia for
administrative purposes and to appoint provincial governors therefore."
Respectfully,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Jozef Duhacek wrote:
>
> Gaius Marcius Coriolanus Omnibus Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> I present my candidature to office of Propraetor Pannoniae. I have
> served Nova Roma as Legatus Pannoniae Inferioris and I've gained a
> good knowledge of Pannonian conditions. I would like to use it in
> Pannonian administration and evelovment in next points:
>
> I. I want to establish taxation proceedures in accordance with NR
> laws and orders.
>
> II. As there was said before, current circumstances in Pannonia makes
> sending money abroad a bit harder than it is in other provinces. So
> my primary aim will be to find a solution for this problem
>
> III. The level of social life Pannonia is not satisfactory. I want to
> establish a custom of periodical provincial meetings. The periodical
> issued news will be although considered.
>
> IV. Another aim of mine is to increase a number of active Pannonian
> citizens. Nova Roma is still almost unknown here in central Europe,
> so I'll search for a ways how to get known because is in best
> interest of Nova Roma to evolve and rise.
>
> Ave et Vale
>
> Gaius Marcius Coriolanus
> Paterfamilias Gentes Marciae
> Legatus Pannoniae Inferioris
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Question and thoughts on Religio, classes and legislation |
| From: |
amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:23:44 -0000 |
|
Salve amice Marce Salix Saveri
> The question in particular regards the plebeian's and patrician's
> approach and attitude towards the Religio, their esteem for it and
> whether they folowed it in different ways.
> It is well known that the patricians were extremely proud of
> their "truly roman" ancestry, even to the point of seeing it as a
> deterministic influence on their lives. There are many stories
such
> as that of Brutus being obsessed with his ancestor, the glorious
> tyrant-slayer, making him decide to join the murderers of Caesar.
> This is not surprising, as oligarchic aristocracies always tend to
> look upon what "makes them special" as upon a decisively important
> thing that keeps aside those that are "not really one of us" like
> Marius or Pompeius.
I think that not only the Patricians. The "populares" for example,
used the cult of Isis with the same purpose, sometimes promoting
religious uprisings for political reasons. And the "optimates"
themselves persecuted the cult of Isis for this reason and used the
fact that they controlled the state cult in order to provide
themselves with the religious flag of the defense of the traditional
roman values. So, things are complex and we can say that whenever two
parties opposed each other socially or politically, they grouped
themselves around different religiones, which would then behave as
opposed to each other. During the war between Caesar and Pompey the
religious argument was also used several times.
> In your discussions and explanations you have often mentioned that
> the patritiate looked upon the Religio as their particular "turf",
or
> that they were specialy pious. Perhaps rightly so, as some posts
> could only be occupied by patritii. But this was often only one of
> the sometimes excruciating conditions, and many of the plebeians
> would probably have had an equal number of ancestor generations
> living in the city.
Of course one cannot generalize. But we can say that on the average,
patricians from old traditional families would be very proud of the
traditional religion, sometimes because of that feeling of "being
more roman", while plebeians, though respecting and practicing the
traditional cult at both the private and public lives, would be more
prone to try some novelties. Specially when they felt that they could
oppose the dominant class by adopting a different *public* religious
posture from that of the state leaders.
> My questions are:
... Difficult questions... =)
>Do we have hints of the plebeii feeling "left >out"?
Well other than the discrimination we talked above, I would say that
all those who did not agree with the system (e.g. "populares"
against "optimates") felt "left out" and the religion was also a way
to express their feeling.
> Did they follow the Religio with less enthusiasm than the patritii?
It depends on many things and on the specific individuals, though one
would expect the patricians to be more traditional (for many
considered themselves more romans and wanted to prove it) and the
plebeians sometimes a little tired from patrician pride could have a
reaction and fill the ranks of more exotic cults such as Isis. But
usually, at least at home, a plebeian would be a practicioner of the
traditional cult just like a patrician, and he would also participate
on the state cult. When his reaction was manifested, it would rather
aim at the public order and would be translated into public religious
demonstrations not welcomed by the dominant class. And besides they
could use their exotic religious communities as point of reunion,
like a "secret society".
> Was it for them an "affair of the state where they had nothing to
> seek" like the meetings of the senate? What was their approach to
the
> Religio in general, and where was it different from that of, say,
> Cicero?
I think I have already answered above...
Vale bene
Graecus
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] The Candidates |
| From: |
ksterne@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:16:31 -0000 |
|
Salvete Quirites,
As a candidate myself, I hesitate to make "endorsements", and I also
agree with the wise words of Quintus Fabius Maximus regarding this
issue. That said, there are some candidates that I wish to
personally recognize. This is not intended to be negative to any
candidates not mentioned; I just feel the following cives are
especially valuable.
Priscillia Vedia Serena
Vedia has done an outstanding job as Curator Sermonis (our "list
mom"). She is fair, knowledgeable technically, and hard working.
She has served Nova Roma from the very beginning. I consider our
Republic fortunate that she has agreed to continue in this position.
Vedia is also running for Censor. The same qualities that make her
an excellent Curator Sermonis will serve her well in this position
also.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
For the record, I am proud to call Sulla my friend. The list of
cives who have done as much for our Republic as Sulla is a short one
indeed. I believe he is the only Censor to date who has actually
completed the two-year term >>assuming he survives to the end of the
year :-)<< . He has put much thought into what he wishes to
accomplish as Consul, and I believe no one will address the problems
and opportunities for Nova Roma with more vigor.
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Octavius is another who has done much work for NR. He has the
knowledge and experience to be consul and he and Sulla will be an
outstanding team. His work as Curator Araneum has been invaluable.
As with Vedia, we must consider ourselves fortunate that he is
willing to continue this work.
Titus Labienus Fortunatus
Fortunatus is one of the most fair and open-minded people I have had
the pleasure to know. He is a scholar of the Constitution and Leges
and will be an outstanding Praetor.
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Pompeia has done great work assisting the Curator Sermonis and has
agreed to continue this service. She is dedicated to NR and will be
a great partner to Fortunatus.
Well, there are my two sesteri. By the way, don't forget Gaius
Popillius Laenas for Quaestor!!! ;-), and most of all, VOTE!
Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Quintus Fabius Maximus: mandatory addition to endorsements of Antonius Gryllus Graecus: |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:42:14 -0000 |
|
Salvete Quirites
Just as I said in the final paragraph of my previous endoresements posting,
I have missed people for whom I have the greatest esteem. I was not aware
that my frater Quintus Fabius Maximus was a candidate for the Questorship.
Now that I know it I want to declare my full support to his candidacy and
manifest my joy for the fact that in the next year we will have an wonderful
team of magistrates. Quintus Fabius Maximus is an example of someone who has
always contributed positively for the welfare of Nova Roma, independently of
the office he occupied. I firstly knew him as Curulis Aedilis at a time when
I was Aedilis Plebis. We have collaborated setting up games for our nation,
and we are proud that those games served a good purpose during the troubled
times of the civil war, contributing to unite the roman citizens around a
common ideal and reformulation of the constitution at the time of the
dictatorship of Flavius Vedius Germanicus. Then Quintus Fabius Maximus ran
as Consul and he has deserved his election, for he worked a lot to improve
and expand Nova Roma. Then he was elected Praetor and he has developed valid
work, and it was only because of the terrible tragedy of September 11 that
his work on the criminal code was not yet put into practice. Anyway he has
paved the way for the next Praetors whose task will now be much easier in
that respect - though much is yet to be done and I am confident that the new
Praetors will accomplish another good part of it. Good luck Quintus Fabius
Maximus! Good luck Nova Roma!
Valete bene
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Senator Pontifexque
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Withdraw Of Canidacy |
| From: |
Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:55:57 -0800 (PST) |
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Salvete Quirites; et salve, L. Sicini Druse.
--- "L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@--------> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> I Am sorry to have announced my Canidacy for tribune
> followed by this abrupt withdraw.
>
> My Father is in the Hospital. He has a tumor next to
> his spine that may result in him becoming paralized.
> It's too close to his spine for surgery. Tomorrow he
> will have a biopsy to see if it's malignant. He will
> be undergoing Radiation treatment to treat the Tumor
> if more tests show that there is hope.
Please, accept my best wishes towards your father's health.
It must be a difficult time, and your place is obviously by your
father's side.
An aunt of mine has recently suffered a similar ailment, but her inner
strength and courage are helping her to overcome disease. Family
support is extremely important in these situations.
> Because of this I will not have time to campaign for
> office, Nor am I sure that I will have time to serve
> if the worst occurs, therefore I withdraw my canidacy
> in order to spend time with my family.
It is not only extremely reasonable; it is the first and foremost duty
of any son. We all will miss you dearly, and our prayers and thoughts
will surely be with your father and you.
=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!
Gnaeus Salix Astur.
Legatus Externis Rebus Provinciae Hispaniae
Triumvir Academiae Novae Romae in Thule
Scriba ad Res Externas Academiae Novae Romae in Thule.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Withdraw Of Canidacy |
| From: |
radams36@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:44:48 -0000 |
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You can add my well wishes, good Drusus - you have always been a
credit to the list and to Nova Roma and have earned my respect and
admiration many times over. My sympathies and prayers are with you
and your family.
Vale!
Rufus Iulius Palaeologus
--- In novaroma@--------, "JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@g...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> I am so sorry to hear that your father is ill. While I am sorry to
see you
> withdraw, I commend you for putting your family first. May the
Gods speed
> his recovery and see you through what is sure to be a trying time.
>
> Vale,
> Priscilla Vedia Serena
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: L. Sicinius Drusus [mailto:lsicinius@--------]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:57 PM
> > To: novaroma@--------
> > Subject: [novaroma] Withdraw Of Canidacy
> >
> >
> > Salvete Quirites,
> >
> > I Am sorry to have announced my Canidacy for tribune
> > followed by this abrupt withdraw.
> >
> > My Father is in the Hospital. He has a tumor next to
> > his spine that may result in him becoming paralized.
> > It's too close to his spine for surgery. Tomorrow he
> > will have a biopsy to see if it's malignant. He will
> > be undergoing Radiation treatment to treat the Tumor
> > if more tests show that there is hope.
> >
> > Because of this I will not have time to campaign for
> > office, Nor am I sure that I will have time to serve
> > if the worst occurs, therefore I withdraw my canidacy
> > in order to spend time with my family.
> >
> > I'm Not sure when the Tribune of the Plebs intended to
> > close the time for Canidates to announce for Tribune,
> > but I ask that he consider leaving it open for at
> > least another day or two in case my withdrawl causes
> > another citizen to consider running for office.
> >
> > Valete,
> > L. Sicinius Drusus
> >
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Endorsement of Candidates |
| From: |
"Nick R. Ramos Jr." <nramos@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:08:28 -0000 |
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Salvete omnes!
Elections are near again, and although I have been away from the
Forum, I have not been too far from Nova Roma. I am here not to
declare for any office myself, for the requirements of my familia and
my job are far too demanding at this time. However, I wish to offer
my support to several candidates:
For Consules: Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix et Marcus Octavius
Germanicus.
These virii are well known to all of us, and although some may agree
with them and others not, it is well recognized among us that they
are very active and earnest in their love for the Res Publica and for
all things Nova Roma. Their continued desire for service to the Res
Publica is admirable and worthy, and I am sure that they will serve
with honor, integrity, and probity.
For Praetores: Pompeia Cornelia Strabo et Titus Labienius Fortunatus
These candidates have also demonstrated with their service both the
desire and the ability to discharge one of the most difficult duties
of our Res Publica. They will bring intelligence, compassion, and
objectivity to a duty that has always demanded the best of those
chosen to discharge it. We have been fortunate in those that preceed
them in this duty; and I am sure we will be doubly fortunate in that
two candidates with clear vision and great knowledge of our Res
Publica have offered themselves to discharge it.
For Quaestor: Quintus Fabius Maximus
Having worked for him as Legatus of California Provincia, I respect
his ability not only to work with others diligently but also his
passion for Romanitas and his unbounded love for Nova Roma. I believe
him to be well-qualified to discharge the duties of a Quaestor.
For now, these are the candidates I believe will help us progress on
the road to bringing Nova Roma from the ideal to the real. It is my
opinion that these candidates possess the necessary qualifications.
Although I am both related by Gens and friendship to some, my
endorsement comes not from the desire to curry favor, but my
objective analysis of their qualifications for the duties they have
asked for. Agree or disagree with me, Quirites; but remember to vote
and use your reason to do so. and may the Gods aid us in this and all
our endeavors for Nova Roma.
Optime Vale, et Iuppiter nos protegas
Marius Cornelius Scipio
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] S. Appollonius Draco for Aedilis Plebis |
| From: |
"Nick R. Ramos Jr." <nramos@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:17:18 -0000 |
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Salvete omnes!
In addition to my former post, I wish to commend to you Sextus
Appollonius Draco for the post of Aedilis Plebis. Draco has
demonstrated both great interest and ability to participate in the
Res Publica, and although we may not agree on all points (as good
Romans are entitled to) I believe him to be a candidate of the
highest caliber and a worthy vir to discharge the duties of Aedilis
Plebis.
Optime vale, et Iuppiter nos protegas
Marius Cornelius Scipio
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